Re: The Meaning of Life

2007-03-10 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 3/10/07, Tom Caylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It seems that you are missing my point. I will better explain my > point about "the whole control loop". Personal tastes and second > order feelings about the tastes are all on the *input* side of our > system of consciousness. But the input is

Re: God and the plenitude (was:The Meaning of Life)

2007-03-10 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 3/10/07, Tom Caylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Mar 7, 1:52 am, "Stathis Papaioannou" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 3/7/07, Tom Caylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Why wouldn't the *whole* of such a Plenitude be truly superfluous to > > > > > any reality? According to Bruno's recu

Re: Evidence for the simulation argument - and Thanks and a dumb question.

2007-03-10 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 3/10/07, John Mikes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: i ENVY YOU, guys, to "know" so much about BHs to speak of a singularity. > I would not go further than "according to what is said about them, they > may > wash off whatever got into and turn into - sort of - a singularity". > Galaxies, whatever, fa

Re: The Meaning of Life

2007-03-10 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 10-mars-07, à 04:30, Tom Caylor a écrit : > Here a diagram would be useful. The reductionist tendency seems to be > to lump all of consciousness into the "input interpretting" box and > "explain it" in terms of smaller parts making up an autonomous > machine. Hence, now that it is all expla

Re: God and the plenitude (was:The Meaning of Life)

2007-03-10 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 10-mars-07, à 04:59, Tom Caylor a écrit : > Modern science is > only in the left side of the brain of humanity. Unlike greek science, if you look carefully. Bruno http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because y

Re: The Meaning of Life

2007-03-10 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 10-mars-07, à 05:11, Brent Meeker a écrit : > Brent Meeker' quote: > "My best advice to anyone who wants to raise a happy, mentally healthy > child is: Keep him or her as far away from a church as you can." > Frank Zappa I agree with Zappa. (and thus Brent). Let me borrow his w

Re: The Meaning of Life

2007-03-10 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 10-mars-07, à 09:58, Stathis Papaioannou a écrit : > Most people in the world behave as if there were an ultimate morality, > even though logically they might know that there isn't. Come on, come on, come on com, > I think this true even of those with religious beliefs: mur

Re: Evidence for the simulation argument - and Thanks and a dumb question.

2007-03-10 Thread John M
Cher Quentin, let me paraphrase (big): so someone had an assumption: BH. OK, everybody has the right to fantasize. Especially if it sounds helpful.Then some mathematically loaded minds calculated within this assumption with quantities taken from other assumptions (pardon me: quantizing within

Re: Evidence for the simulation argument - and Thanks and a dumb question.

2007-03-10 Thread Jesse Mazer
John M: > >Cher Quentin, >let me paraphrase (big): > >so someone had an assumption: BH. OK, everybody has the right to fantasize. >Especially if it sounds helpful. Well, the basic assumption was more broad than that: it was that general relativity is a trustworthy theory of gravity. There's pl

Re: Evidence for the simulation argument - and Thanks and a dumb question.

2007-03-10 Thread John Mikes
Dear Jesse, thanks for the cool and objective words. I take it back (not what I said: I mean the topic) further. Our edifice of physical science is a wonderful mental construct, balanced by applied math, all on quantities fitting the reduced models of historical observations from the hand-ax on. Ex

Re: Evidence for the simulation argument - and Thanks and a dumb question.

2007-03-10 Thread Mark Peaty
SP: ' ... it could take a long time to get there ... ' MP: But is that according to the time frame of the laughing devil who threw me in there and who remains safely out of reach of acceleration-induced time dilation, or my wailing ghost which/who's mind and sensoria will be ever more wonde

Re: [SPAM] Re: God and the plenitude (was:The Meaning of Life)

2007-03-10 Thread Mark Peaty
Tom, is it not a simple fact, surely, that *meaning*, for a creature with the wherewithal to worry about it, is fundamentally the recognition of relationships amongst the creatures and things perceived in the world, including oneself, and relating these to oneself? Regards Mark Peaty CDE