Re: The Amoeba's Secret - English Version started

2009-03-06 Thread Bruno Marchal
Hi m.a., hi Colin, On 06 Mar 2009, at 05:07, m.a. wrote: > Bruno, >I've often wondered why neither Dr. Deutsch nor Alan > Forrester has commented on your theory of UDA and AUDA. I certainly > would be interested in their views. A theory that has execised some > of the best minds

Re: language, cloning and thought experiments

2009-03-06 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
2009/3/6 Jack Mallah wrote: >> If you're not worried about the fair trade, then to be consistent you >> shouldn't be worried about the unfair trade either. In the fair trade, one >> version of you A disappears overnight, and a new version of you B is created >> elsewhere in the morning. The u

Re: language, cloning and thought experiments

2009-03-06 Thread rmiller
At 07:31 AM 3/6/2009, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: >2009/3/6 Jack Mallah wrote: > > >> If you're not worried about the fair trade, > then to be consistent you shouldn't be worried > about the unfair trade either. In the fair > trade, one version of you A disappears > overnight, and a new versio

Re: The Amoeba's Secret - English Version started

2009-03-06 Thread Günther Greindl
Hi Colin, the problem is that while the _ideal_ of science is rationality, it is not yet fully institutionalized (can it ever be?) and people still harbor a lot of irrationality personally (scientists often have the strangest beliefs outside their speciality (http://www.overcomingbias.com/200

Re: language, cloning and thought experiments

2009-03-06 Thread Brent Meeker
Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > 2009/3/6 Jack Mallah wrote: > >>> If you're not worried about the fair trade, then to be consistent you >>> shouldn't be worried about the unfair trade either. In the fair trade, one >>> version of you A disappears overnight, and a new version of you B is >>> crea

Re: language, cloning and thought experiments

2009-03-06 Thread Günther Greindl
> Which "I"? Aren't you concerned that you would press the button - and vanish? > Brent The psychological continuer - the one who remembers having pressed the button but with +5 dollars on his account. @Stathis: would you really do this (press the button, also in the absoute measure scenario

Re: [Fwd: NDPR David Shoemaker, Personal Identity and Ethics: A Brief Introduction]

2009-03-06 Thread Günther Greindl
Bruno, >> My idea was rather that the instantiations would not correspond to >> numbers in the first place > > But that would violate the comp assumption. No, you still misunderstand me ;-) not correspond in the sense of non-existing, not in the sense of existing but not number. >> - that is

Re: [Fwd: NDPR David Shoemaker, Personal Identity and Ethics: A Brief Introduction]

2009-03-06 Thread Günther Greindl
Hi Bruno, >> With COMP it is not so clear. > > explicit appeal to self-consistency (= the move from Bp to Bp & Dt; the > "Dt" suppresses the cul-de-sac). With comp, to believe in a next > instant or in a successor state is already based on an act of faith. Please bear in mind that I have not

The Seventh Step 2 (Numbers and Sets: facultary!)

2009-03-06 Thread Bruno Marchal
Hi Kim, hi John, hi People, Kim provided me with an excellent answer to my preceding post (out-of- line though). And John told me he was impatient to see "my definition" of the natural numbers (and some other numbers) in term of sets. So I make a try. Nothing is important here for the sequel

Re: The Seventh Step 2 (Numbers and Sets: facultary!)

2009-03-06 Thread John Mikes
Dear Bruno, this is my reply to your "SeventhStep-2" post. Still not clear; Axiom 1 says I is 'a' number, - OK. Axiom 2 sais "x" which I understand is general for "any" number. So xI is not different from II. The example: (say) I is 2, x=3, xI=32 and your 'II' is not 'a' number, but two numbers (

Re: language, cloning and thought experiments

2009-03-06 Thread Wei Dai
> No. First, I don't agree that the real question is what the utility > function is or should be. The real question is whether the measure, M, is > conserved or whether it decreases. It's just that a lot of people don't > understand what that means. I agree that a lot of people don't unders

Re: The Amoeba's Secret - English Version started

2009-03-06 Thread Kim Jones
On 06/03/2009, at 11:24 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > - Neither physicists nor logicians really knows about the mind-body > problem. So it is easy to make someone interested in consciousness > looking crazy: just say: this guy is interested on consciousness > (with a grin). > > Why does som

Re: language, cloning and thought experiments

2009-03-06 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
2009/3/7 Brent Meeker : >> I don't agree with the way you calculate utility at all. If I got $5 >> every time I pressed a button which decreased my absolute measure in >> the multiverse a millionfold I would happily press the button all day. > > Which "I"?  Aren't you concerned that you would pre