Re: Yablo, Quine and Carnap on ontology

2009-09-17 Thread Flammarion
On 16 Sep, 21:42, "m.a." wrote: > - Original Message - > From: "Flammarion" > To: "Everything List" > Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 11:25 AM > Subject: Re: Yablo, Quine and Carnap on ontology > > > On 16 Sep, 15:51, "m.a." wrote: > >> the ocean of virtual particles which may g

Re: Yablo, Quine and Carnap on ontology

2009-09-17 Thread m.a.
- Original Message - From: "Flammarion" To: "Everything List" Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 6:17 AM Subject: Re: Yablo, Quine and Carnap on ontology > > > > On 16 Sep, 21:42, "m.a." wrote: >> - Original Message - >> From: "Flammarion" >> To: "Everything List" >> Sent:

Re: The seven step series

2009-09-17 Thread John Mikes
Bruno, I loved your post on the square root of "2"! (I also laughed at it, to stay at the puns). You went out of your way and did not save efforts to prove how inadequate and wrong (y)our number system is. (ha ha). Statement: *if square-rooting is right* (allegedly, and admittedly) *then THERE I

Re: The seven step series

2009-09-17 Thread Bruno Marchal
Hi John, On 17 Sep 2009, at 15:14, John Mikes wrote: > > > You went out of your way and did not save efforts to prove how > inadequate and wrong (y)our number system is. (ha ha). Wrong ? > > Statement: if square-rooting is right (allegedly, and admittedly) Well, it is certainly right if w

Re: The seven step series

2009-09-17 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 16 Sep 2009, at 18:12, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > If it is OK, in the next post we begin to address the computability > issue. I give you an anticipative exercise or subject reflection. > This is a deep exercise. Its solution leads to the notion of > universal function and universal num

Re: Yablo, Quine and Carnap on ontology

2009-09-17 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 16 Sep 2009, at 23:01, Brent Meeker wrote: > > m.a. wrote: >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Flammarion" >> To: "Everything List" >> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 11:25 AM >> Subject: Re: Yablo, Quine and Carnap on ontology >> >> >>> >>> >>> On 16 Sep, 15:51, "m.a." wrote:

Re: Yablo, Quine and Carnap on ontology

2009-09-17 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 16 Sep 2009, at 18:33, Brent Meeker wrote: > > David Nyman wrote: >> 2009/9/16 Flammarion : >> >> I find that I can't real say what the difference is supposed to be between numbers existing mathematically and numbers existing Platonically, other than that different labels are b

Re: The seven step series

2009-09-17 Thread John Mikes
Dear Bruno, it is not very convincing when you dissect my sentences and interject assuring remarks on statements to come later in the sentence, negating such remarks in advance, on a different basis. I argued that - upon what you (and the rest of the multimillion mathematicians past and present)

Re: Yablo, Quine and Carnap on ontology

2009-09-17 Thread David Nyman
2009/9/17 Bruno Marchal : > Then for the inside/personal views, the whole of human math including > Cantor paradise cannot be enough to describe the human mind. It is > more general: In that case, what light does the comp approach shed on the 'causal significance' of the inside view - i.e. with

Re: Yablo, Quine and Carnap on ontology

2009-09-17 Thread Flammarion
On 17 Sep, 00:52, David Nyman wrote: > 2009/9/16 Flammarion : > > > The knowabilitry of a claim about what powers numbers > > have can only depend on what labels are correctly attached. > > Petrol is not flammable just becaue I attached the label > > "flammable" to it. Petrol *Is* flammable, an

Re: Yablo, Quine and Carnap on ontology

2009-09-17 Thread Flammarion
On 17 Sep, 00:02, David Nyman wrote: > Has it?  I thought we were discussing whether CTM made any meaningful > commitments as a physical theory, not whether physics can or can't > include consciousness per se.  Now you raise the question, I don't > believe it can, simply because in common with

Re: Yablo, Quine and Carnap on ontology

2009-09-17 Thread Flammarion
On 17 Sep, 14:12, "m.a." wrote: > - Original Message - > From: "Flammarion" > To: "Everything List" > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 6:17 AM > Subject: Re: Yablo, Quine and Carnap on ontology > > > On 16 Sep, 21:42, "m.a." wrote: > >> - Original Message - > >> From: "Flam

Re: Yablo, Quine and Carnap on ontology

2009-09-17 Thread David Nyman
2009/9/17 Flammarion : > Yep, and if the conclusion is ontological, the process that reaches it > is ontological. > > Bruno thinks he can reach an ontological assumption starting with pure > maths. > But he can't. "mathematical existence" means that mathematicians take > certain "exists" statemen

Re: Yablo, Quine and Carnap on ontology

2009-09-17 Thread David Nyman
On Sep 17, 11:17 pm, Flammarion wrote: > > Has it? I thought we were discussing whether CTM made any meaningful > > commitments as a physical theory, not whether physics can or can't > > include consciousness per se. Now you raise the question, I don't > > believe it can, simply because in com

Re: Yablo, Quine and Carnap on ontology

2009-09-17 Thread m.a.
- Original Message - From: "Flammarion" To: "Everything List" Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 6:30 PM Subject: Re: Yablo, Quine and Carnap on ontology On 17 Sep, 14:12, "m.a." wrote: > - Original Message - > From: "Flammarion" > To: "Everything List" > Sent: Thursday

Re: Yablo, Quine and Carnap on ontology

2009-09-17 Thread Brent Meeker
m.a. wrote: > - Original Message - > From: "Flammarion" > To: "Everything List" > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 6:30 PM > Subject: Re: Yablo, Quine and Carnap on ontology > > > > > > On 17 Sep, 14:12, "m.a." wrote: > >> - Original Message - >> From: "Flammarion" >> To:

Re: books on logic/computing

2009-09-17 Thread Bruno Marchal
Hi Ronald, You may ask Günther Greindl, who asked me references for the UDA and AUDA, and he put them on the list archive. guenther.grei...@gmail.com You can take a look on the references in my theses. http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/lillethesis/these/node79.html#SECTION0013