On Sep 17, 11:17 pm, Flammarion <peterdjo...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > Has it?  I thought we were discussing whether CTM made any meaningful
> > commitments as a physical theory, not whether physics can or can't
> > include consciousness per se.  Now you raise the question, I don't
> > believe it can, simply because in common with virtually every other
> > human attempt to characterise the world, its perspective is embedded
> > in consciousness and hence can't envision it.
>
> Unless consciousnes is just the very thing that envision itself.

Just so.  But what is opaque is its relation to physics.

David

> On 17 Sep, 00:02, David Nyman <david.ny...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Has it?  I thought we were discussing whether CTM made any meaningful
> > commitments as a physical theory, not whether physics can or can't
> > include consciousness per se.  Now you raise the question, I don't
> > believe it can, simply because in common with virtually every other
> > human attempt to characterise the world, its perspective is embedded
> > in consciousness and hence can't envision it.
>
> Unless consciousnes is just the very thing that envision itself.
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