Re: Intelligence and consciousness

2012-01-24 Thread ronaldheld
Not certain if this goes here What about Data from TNG? He could pass the Turing test, and with his emotion chip on, act like many huminoids. Is he intelligent, conscious, self aware, etc? Ronald On Jan 23, 5:38 pm, Craig Weinberg wrote: > On Ja

Is Turing’s Thesis the Consequence of a More

2012-01-24 Thread ronaldheld
Since there was a thread on Turing:arXiv:1201.4504v1 [math.LO] Here is the abstract: We discuss historical attempts to formulate a physical hypothesis from which Turing’s thesis may be derived, and also discuss some related at- tempts to establish the computability of mathematical models in physic

Re: Information: a basic physical quantity or rather emergence/supervenience phenomenon

2012-01-24 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Jan 23, 11:25 pm, Russell Standish wrote: > On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 05:20:28AM -0800, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > Besides, any such quantitative measure does not take sequence into > > account. A book or file which is completely scrambled down to the > > level of characters or pixels has the sa

Re: Intelligence and consciousness

2012-01-24 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Jan 24, 7:21 am, ronaldheld wrote: > Not certain if this goes here > What about Data from TNG?  He could pass the Turing test, and with his > emotion chip on, act like many huminoids.   Is he intelligent, > conscious, self aware, etc? >                                             Ronald >

Re: Is Turing’s Thesis the Consequence of a More

2012-01-24 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 24 Jan 2012, at 13:23, ronaldheld wrote: Since there was a thread on Turing:arXiv:1201.4504v1 [math.LO] Here is the abstract: We discuss historical attempts to formulate a physical hypothesis from which Turing’s thesis may be derived, and also discuss some related at- tempts to establish th

Re: Intelligence and consciousness

2012-01-24 Thread John Clark
On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 Craig Weinberg wrote: > Identical twins have the same genetics and they can disagree with each > other." > That tells you nothing, a copy of you that was exact down to the limit imposed by Heisenberg would disagree with you about all sorts of things, like who was your wife

Re: Consciousness Easy, Zombies Hard

2012-01-24 Thread Craig Weinberg
Part II On Jan 21, 4:32 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > >> Locally it looks like that. But I want an explanation of where such > >> things come from. > >> Your "theory" takes too much as granted. > > > I want an explanation of where non-locally is and how it comes to > > influence us locally. > > N

Re: Belief in Big Bang?

2012-01-24 Thread John Mikes
Stephen, you wrote to another John - I barge in with my sidelines. 1. I do not 'believe' in the Big Bang, the theory has flaws and errors as concerning past lit already worked it out. My main objection is *not* the linearity in going back to zero in an expansion that is non-linear and *not*the phan

Re: Information: a basic physical quantity or rather emergence/supervenience phenomenon

2012-01-24 Thread meekerdb
On 1/22/2012 1:04 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 21.01.2012 22:03 Evgenii Rudnyi said the following: On 21.01.2012 21:01 meekerdb said the following: On 1/21/2012 11:23 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 21.01.2012 20:00 meekerdb said the following: On 1/21/2012 4:25 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ...

Re: Consciousness Easy, Zombies Hard

2012-01-24 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Jan 23, 2:12 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote: > On 23 Jan 2012, at 14:01, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > Part I...I'll have to get back to this later for Part II > > > On Jan 21, 4:32 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> Craig, > > >> I assume comp all along. > > > Then why say that you are agnostic about comp?

Re: Intelligence and consciousness

2012-01-24 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Jan 24, 11:41 am, John Clark wrote: > On Mon, Jan 23, 2012  Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > Identical twins have the same genetics and they can disagree with each > > other." > > That tells you nothing, a copy of you that was exact down to the limit > imposed by Heisenberg would disagree with you

Re: Belief in Big Bang?

2012-01-24 Thread Stephen P. King
Hi John, 1. I see the Big Bang theory as a theory, an explanatory model that attempts to weave together all of the relevant observational facts together into a scheme that is both predictive and explanatory. It has built into it certain ontological and epistemological premises that I have

Re: Belief in Big Bang?

2012-01-24 Thread meekerdb
On 1/24/2012 6:08 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: Hi John, 1. I see the Big Bang theory as a theory, an explanatory model that attempts to weave together all of the relevant observational facts together into a scheme that is both predictive and explanatory. It has built into it certain ontologi

Re: Belief in Big Bang?

2012-01-24 Thread Stephen P. King
Hi Brent, On 1/24/2012 9:47 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 1/24/2012 6:08 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: Hi John, 1. I see the Big Bang theory as a theory, an explanatory model that attempts to weave together all of the relevant observational facts together into a scheme that is both predictive and

Re: Belief in Big Bang?

2012-01-24 Thread meekerdb
On 1/24/2012 8:27 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: Hi Brent, On 1/24/2012 9:47 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 1/24/2012 6:08 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: Hi John, 1. I see the Big Bang theory as a theory, an explanatory model that attempts to weave together all of the relevant observational facts togeth