Re: Theology or not theology (Re: COMP theology)

2012-03-15 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 14 Mar 2012, at 19:35, meekerdb wrote: On 3/14/2012 10:58 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: I never localize consciousness. Only persons. And yes, it is pretty obvious that person can locate themselves in a local relative way, like saying that yesterday I was in Tokyo, today in I am in Helsin

Re: Theology or not theology (Re: COMP theology)

2012-03-15 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 14 Mar 2012, at 19:41, meekerdb wrote: On 3/14/2012 10:58 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Wow! OK then, we progress. I am glad that you agree that you will see something. That was unclear. But do you agree that you do know something, or at least that you can have "great" expectations, given

Re: Theology or not theology (Re: COMP theology)

2012-03-15 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 14 Mar 2012, at 20:19, David Nyman wrote: On 14 March 2012 18:32, Bruno Marchal wrote: He uses also bad rhetorical tricks by attributing me intention, and seems even aggressive sometimes, or is it an impression? Vous êtes ironique, je l'espère! Gosh, you get that impression too. Bu

Re: The Brain Minds Whether We Believe in Free Will or Not

2012-03-15 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 14 Mar 2012, at 21:34, John Mikes wrote: Craig and Brent: "Free Will" is not a matter of faith. One does not "believe "IN" it, or not". (Of course this is a position in my (agnostic) worldview - my 'belief' ha ha). In "pure ideal science" there is no act of faith, except in the ratio

Re: First person indeterminacy (Re: COMP theology)

2012-03-15 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 14 Mar 2012, at 21:41, John Mikes wrote: Brent and Bruno: you both have statements in this endless discussion about processing ideas of quantum computers. I would be happy to read about ONE that works, not a s a potentiality, but as a real tool, the function of which is understood and

Re: For Evgenii: the-unavoidable-cost-of-computation-revealed

2012-03-15 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 14.03.2012 23:34 Russell Standish said the following: On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 07:51:13PM +0100, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: Then the thermodynamic entropy is subjective. Try to convince in this engineers who develop engines, or chemists who compute equilibria, and see what happens. I take Denbig

Re: For Evgenii: the-unavoidable-cost-of-computation-revealed

2012-03-15 Thread Russell Standish
On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 07:25:01PM +0100, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: > On 14.03.2012 23:34 Russell Standish said the following: > >On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 07:51:13PM +0100, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: > >> > >>Then the thermodynamic entropy is subjective. Try to convince in > >>this engineers who develop engi

Re: Theology or not theology (Re: COMP theology)

2012-03-15 Thread John Clark
Bruno Marchal wrote: > You learn that you cannot predict your future subjective experience in > all circumstances. > Yes, but tell me something new that everybody didn't already know. >> You say the consciousness or the one view of the two view of the 3 view >> or whatever the hell you call it

Re: Theology or not theology (Re: COMP theology)

2012-03-15 Thread meekerdb
On 3/15/2012 10:57 PM, John Clark wrote: > if you deny the 1-indeterminacy, I see no difference from this "1-indeterminacy" thing of yours and plain old fashioned indeterminacy, either way you can't always know what you will see until you see it and you can't always know what you will do