Re: Re: Arithmetic as true constructions of a fictional leggo set

2012-12-25 Thread Roger Clough
On 24 Dec 2012, at 15:35, Roger Clough wrote: ROGER: Hi Bruno Marchal It helps me if I can understand arithmetic as true constructions of a fictional leggo set. BRUNO: Why fictional? Immaterial OK, but ffictional? ROGER: Sorry, fictional was the wrong word, it just came to mind b

Re: Re: Re: Against Mechanism

2012-12-25 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Jason Resch Not in my opinion, but that's just my opinion. The reason being that I am a Leibnizian, and to him everybody must be different (have an individual monad= soul = identity= memory, etc. etc. etc. ). [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/25/2012 "Forever is a long time, espe

Why consciousness/life/intelligence is not and cannot be physical

2012-12-25 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Jason Resch No, the issue of consciousness is not a condition caused by pragmatics, the use of language. Consciousness/life/intelligence (subjectivity, or knowledge by acquaintance or 1p) is fundamentally different from anyhing objective (physical or (knowledge by description or 3p). Mate

Re: Re: Re: clearing up the confusion on the fairness index

2012-12-25 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Richard Ruquist >From what you say, also interesting is that democrats--those folks who hate the rich--have made the rich richer. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/25/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content -

Re: Re: Fw: the world as mathematical. was pythagoras right after all ?

2012-12-25 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Richard Ruquist Read what I said below again. I never said that the quantum world is physical, quite the reverse. Not to worry, I have made similar mistakes, especially my inverted interpretation of the gini index. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/25/2012 "Forever is a long time,

Ten top-of-my-head arguments against multiverses

2012-12-25 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Brian Tenneson Tegmark has many many good ideas, but I am not a believer in multiverses, which only a strict mechanistic 19th century type can believe. Multiverses defy reason. Just off the top of head: 1) For one reason because of Occam's razor: it is a needless complication, and the univ

Re: Re: Re: Against Mechanism

2012-12-25 Thread Jason Resch
Well if two people have the same mind and identity, then might they share the same soul (at least for a moment)? Jason On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 3:23 AM, Roger Clough wrote: > Hi Jason Resch > > Not in my opinion, but that's just my opinion. > The reason being that I am a Leibnizian, and > to hi

why greed is good.

2012-12-25 Thread Roger Clough
Hi meekerdb Some economists argue that the wealthy invest their money, creating capital for creating businesses, hiring workers, and generally enriching the economy. (The poor don't save money for others to use.) So greed is good for the country. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/

Re: Re: Fw: the world as mathematical. was pythagoras right after all ?

2012-12-25 Thread Roger Clough
Hi meekerdb My description turns out to be essentially the same as Tegmark's, namely that the world is mathematical at base. Google that name to see. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/25/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following

Re: Ten top-of-my-head arguments against multiverses

2012-12-25 Thread Brian Tenneson
At least in the video(skip to 43:14), Tegmark estimates that our doppelgangers are 2^10^118 meters away which probably puts it past the range of direct testing and, consequently, makes it not falsifiable. Regarding (

Re: Re: Fw: the world as mathematical. was pythagoras right after all ?

2012-12-25 Thread Richard Ruquist
But you did imply that string theory was physical. Not true. On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 4:00 AM, Roger Clough wrote: > Hi Richard Ruquist > > Read what I said below again. I never said that the quantum > world is physical, quite the reverse. > > Not to worry, I have made similar mistakes, > especial

Re: Re: Re: Against Mechanism

2012-12-25 Thread Richard Ruquist
Roger, I appreciate your claim that all monads must be distinct and unique because that is the basis of my string consciousness theory. However, I have never read of leibniz saying that. So could you supply a link to him saying so? Richard On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 3:23 AM, Roger Clough wrote: > H

Re: Re: Re: clearing up the confusion on the fairness index

2012-12-25 Thread Richard Ruquist
Indeed. Can you guess why? On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 3:56 AM, Roger Clough wrote: > Hi Richard Ruquist > > From what you say, also interesting is that democrats--those folks > who hate the rich--have made the rich richer. > > > [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] > 12/25/2012 > "Forever is a long