On 24 Aug 2013, at 17:57, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
2013/8/24 John Clark
On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 11:34 PM, Chris de Morsella > wrote
>>> The computer requires a substrate in which to operate upon --
the CPU chips for example are what our computers operate on. I know
of no computer that doe
On 28 Aug 2013, at 17:24, smi...@zonnet.nl wrote:
Hi Chris,
...
This is why physics and not philosophy is the best way to describe
the world.
But that's a philosophical point. And it is technically (quasi)
refuted by comp (+ some amount of occam).
Physics is the best way to describe
On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 8:20 PM, Roger Clough wrote:
> Hi spudboy100
>
> Anything that moves according to rules, a program, regulations, a control,
> etc. is not mind.
>
> Mind has to be free and unconstrained, at least in principle.
Why?
>
> Dr. Roger B Clough NIST (ret.) [1/1/2000]
> See my L
Chris de Morsella wrote:
> I am just asking you to acknowledge you were incorrect in characterizing
> the popular and democratically elected leaders of sovereign states as "two
> bit" leaders.
>
Would you prefer a "Banana Republic Leaders"? In Iran in 1953 women, half
the human race, were not al
I think it's a shame that Gödel can't participate in this mailing list:
http://braungardt.trialectics.com/mathematics/mathematicians/kurt-godel/existence-of-god/
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So very true. During that time we had the Black Plague (1st of 4) and even
before this we had the start of the Little Ice Age, which caused starvation,
and weakend the populations of Asia, Africa, and Europe (hunger produces
children with weaker immune systems) and again a high death rate. Perha
On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 4:30 PM, Chris de Morsella wrote
> If X = Y AND Y = Z then X = Z This is also logically true, but also has
> no substantial bearing on how the dynamic processes by which the mind
> arises from the 86 billion neuron and 100 trillion connection two phase
> (electro-chemical
On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 Russell Standish wrote:
> It is, as always, a confusion of emergence levels. My will is an emergent
> concept,
>
I have noticed a disturbing trend, the use of the word "emergent" as a
excuse for not thinking.
> that has no relevance to the microscopic realm of atoms, molec
On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 6:49 PM, John Clark wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 Russell Standish wrote:
>
>> > It is, as always, a confusion of emergence levels. My will is an
>> > emergent concept,
>
>
> I have noticed a disturbing trend, the use of the word "emergent" as a
> excuse for not thinking.
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Subject: Re: When will a computer pass the Turing Test?
On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 Russell Standish wrote:
> It is, as always, a confusion of emergence levels. M
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