Re: generalizations_of_islam - God Matter

On 17 Oct 2014, at 22:18, John Clark wrote: On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at Platonist Guitar Cowboy > wrote: I ask myself who would INSIST on using the word "God" (and not some other word) >>> Which one? I have suggested an other word, like the ONE, but you did not reply. >> If the "ONE"

Re: generalizations_of_islam - God Matter

On 18 Oct 2014, at 02:19, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 2:12 AM, John Clark wrote: On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 5:20 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy > wrote: > Of course, the next distraction is to complain the world ain't murcan enough, Yeah, I've always said the

Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

On 16 Oct 2014, at 22:53, LizR wrote: On 16 October 2014 17:00, Richard Ruquist wrote: I suggest that believing and not believing in anything is consistent with MWI (and therefore comp) for if you believe something in one world, you will fail to believe in it in some other world. That's

Re: generalizations_of_islam - God Matter

Bruno: Then by the ONE, I mean God, in the greek sense of whatever is needed to have a reality and consciousness. Richard: If MWI can be derived from comp and if the MWI is deterministic, then IMO there is no need for consciousness. I claim that "a reality and consciousness" , that is a single wor

Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

Stupidly, I ask, what if our cosmos is a mental exercise of a/the Boltzmann Brain? I don't wish to invoke unicorns and dragons, but since this is a topic central to thermodynamics, cosmology, and even quantum mechanics, it makes me wonder. Perhaps a dead end for the intellect? But it does fit Gl

Re: Are We Really Conscious? (NYT Article today)

On 17 October 2014 09:40, David Nyman wrote: > On 16 October 2014 19:54, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > >> A necessary side-effect roughly equates to the idea of weak emergence. > > > Weak emergence of what, precisely? And in what way could this emergent > something be distinguishable from the phys

Re: generalizations_of_islam - God Matter

On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 9:17 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 18 Oct 2014, at 02:19, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: > > > > On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 2:12 AM, John Clark wrote: > >> >> >> On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 5:20 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy < >> multiplecit...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> > Of cours

Re: Are We Really Conscious? (NYT Article today)

Moreover, can consciousness be copied? Can we be duplicated mentally and how well can we. If, consciousness is a substance, as Tegmark asserts, then the pattern can be copied, right? -Original Message- From: Stathis Papaioannou To: everything-list Sent: Sat, Oct 18, 2014 9:23 am Sub

Re: MGA revisited paper + supervenience

On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 1:22 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > Gödel shows that there are solution of Einstein's equation of > gravitation with closed timelike curves, making them consistent. > But only if you assume that the Universe is rotating, and experimental evidence proves that it is not. An

Re: generalizations_of_islam - God Matter

On 10/17/2014 11:44 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: That's close to Plotinus "outer God" (that the called the ONE). I am OK. But that is false for the Inner God. For mystics and rationalist theologian, it is not completely false to believe that there might be only one person, and that the one conscio

Re: generalizations_of_islam - God Matter

On 10/18/2014 7:36 AM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: ... I question whether his arguments represent merely the other side of rather literal Christian cultural coin, where it is o.k. to be patronizing in using psychological trick like talking down to people about politeness and cultural etique

Re: MGA revisited paper + supervenience

I have heard that Godel may be proven correct if the hubble volume is within a closed timelike curve. Proving that is surely beyond the financing of any science project I can think of, save, setting up a large Mars Colony. CTC is an interesting trick of nature and thus, math, and is supposedly t

Re: generalizations_of_islam - God Matter

Urge versus demi-Urge?? I didn't think Plotinus was a Gnostic? What if "God" was a, the, Great Mind? Would you, knowing that He was a space alien like to interview Him, or would you bow out, given this ridiculous, opportunity? -Original Message- From: meekerdb To: everything-list Se

Re: MGA revisited paper + supervenience

On 18 October 2014 00:35, Richard Ruquist wrote: > On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 2:17 AM, John Clark wrote: > >> On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 5:18 PM, LizR wrote: >> >>> >>> > there was no one around in the big bang that we know of, yet it would >>> appear any maths that might be involved in physical proc

Re: MGA revisited paper + supervenience

On 18 October 2014 09:47, John Clark wrote: > On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 3:42 AM, LizR wrote: > > >> to math make the Big Bang or did the Big Bang make the math? I don't >>> know and I'm not going to pretend that I do. >>> >> >> > I don't see how the big bang could make 2+2=4. Are you saying that i

Re: MGA revisited paper + supervenience

On 19 October 2014 06:48, John Clark wrote: > On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 1:22 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> >> > Gödel shows that there are solution of Einstein's equation of >> gravitation with closed timelike curves, making them consistent. >> > > But only if you assume that the Universe is rotat

Re: generalizations_of_islam - God Matter

On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 Bruno Marchal wrote: > > >>> "why is there something rather than nothing?" is a badly posed >> question, > > >> I don't think so, it may or may not have a answer, nobody knows, but > it's a perfectly clear unambiguous question. And if not from nothing > science can at lea

Re: generalizations_of_islam - God Matter

On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 2:36 AM, John Clark wrote: > On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> >> >>> "why is there something rather than nothing?" is a badly posed >>> question, >> >> > > >> I don't think so, it may or may not have a answer, nobody knows, but >> it's a perfectly clear u

Fwd: Are We Really Conscious? (NYT Article today)

On 17 October 2014 09:38, David Nyman wrote: > On 16 October 2014 19:54, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > >> I think it's a matter of semantics. I'm sure Graziano experiences what I >> experience, given my use of the word "experience", but due to his >> understanding of what underpins this experience

Re: generalizations_of_islam - God Matter

On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: >Lebowski caricature in Hollywood flick quote above utters perhaps a > stronger statement: > "Yeah, well... that's just like your uhmm.. opinion, man." Can anybody translate this for me? What on earth this man talking about? John K Clark

Re: generalizations_of_islam - God Matter

On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 3:35 AM, John Clark wrote: > On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 Platonist Guitar Cowboy > wrote: > > >Lebowski caricature in Hollywood flick quote above utters perhaps a >> stronger statement: >> "Yeah, well... that's just like your uhmm.. opinion, man." > > > Can anybody translate th

Re: generalizations_of_islam - God Matter

The point that Krauss fails to address is precisely that - why there is something rather than nothing. Going from "almost nothing" (the quantum vacuum, say) to something is, simply, starting from something. That's fine from the viewpoint of the continuing saga of physics, which doesn't attempt to a

Re: MGA revisited paper + supervenience

On 10/18/2014 3:37 PM, LizR wrote: On 18 October 2014 09:47, John Clark > wrote: On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 3:42 AM, LizR mailto:lizj...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> to math make the Big Bang or did the Big Bang make the math? I don't know and I'm not goi