Re: Interpretation of Superposition

2018-10-19 Thread agrayson2000
On Thursday, October 18, 2018 at 8:33:10 PM UTC, Brent wrote: > > > > On 10/18/2018 12:16 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Monday, October 15, 2018 at 11:17:56 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: >> >> From: >> >> >> On Sunday, October 14, 2018 at 5:08:42 PM UTC, smitra wrote: >>> >>> On

Re: Interpretation of Superposition

2018-10-19 Thread agrayson2000
On Thursday, October 18, 2018 at 8:33:10 PM UTC, Brent wrote: > > > > On 10/18/2018 12:16 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Monday, October 15, 2018 at 11:17:56 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: >> >> From: >> >> >> On Sunday, October 14, 2018 at 5:08:42 PM UTC, smitra wrote: >>> >>> On

Re: The hard problem of matter

2018-10-19 Thread Philip Thrift
On Friday, October 19, 2018 at 12:08:10 PM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 18 Oct 2018, at 17:26, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > > On Thursday, October 18, 2018 at 9:00:21 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 17 Oct 2018, at 00:38, Brent Meeker wrote: >> >> >> >> On 10/16/2018 11:58

Re: The hard problem of matter

2018-10-19 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 18 Oct 2018, at 17:26, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Thursday, October 18, 2018 at 9:00:21 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 17 Oct 2018, at 00:38, Brent Meeker > >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On 10/16/2018 11:58 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: >>> >>> >>> On Tuesday, October 16, 2018 at

Re: The hard problem of matter

2018-10-19 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 18 Oct 2018, at 21:24, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > > On 10/18/2018 6:16 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 16 Oct 2018, at 03:50, Brent Meeker >> > wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 10/15/2018 6:22 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > On 11 Oct 2018, at 19:26, John

Re: Interpretation of Superposition

2018-10-19 Thread Brent Meeker
On 10/19/2018 12:17 AM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: *I can see how recoherence is impossible FAPP, but after some time elapses the state of the cat could Dead or Alive; not necessarily the original state, Alive. A*G When recoherence is no longer possible that's a real

Re: Interpretation of Superposition

2018-10-19 Thread agrayson2000
On Friday, October 19, 2018 at 5:44:10 PM UTC, Brent wrote: > > > > On 10/19/2018 12:17 AM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > *I can see how recoherence is impossible FAPP, but after some time elapses >> the state of the cat could Dead or Alive; not necessarily the original >> state, Alive. A*G

Re: The hard problem of matter

2018-10-19 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 19 Oct 2018, at 00:20, John Clark wrote: > > > On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 9:21 AM Bruno Marchal > wrote: > > > the idea that there are moment where we are not conscious is very natural, > > but it is not a fact, it is a theory, > > Then can you name something,

Re: Interpretation of Superposition

2018-10-19 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 18 Oct 2018, at 21:56, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > > On 10/18/2018 8:07 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> Goldblatt, the modal logician who has studied S4Grz, but also the modal >> logic B and shown its relation with Quantum logics, which I use to extract >> quantum logic from arithmetic

Re: The hard problem of matter

2018-10-19 Thread Brent Meeker
On 10/19/2018 11:49 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: I work with people who studied religion all the times. You seem unaware that we can doubt Aristotle theology. You seem unaware that there is not such thing.  Your "Aristotle theology" is a straw man you invented to beat with stick labelled

Re: The hard problem of matter

2018-10-19 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 18 Oct 2018, at 21:29, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > > On 10/18/2018 6:32 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 16 Oct 2018, at 19:28, John Clark >> > wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 10:05 PM Brent Meeker >> > wrote:

Re: The hard problem of matter

2018-10-19 Thread Brent Meeker
On 10/19/2018 12:09 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: The same way they judge anyone's intelligence, by their behavior.  Don't you give tests to your students?  Do you never take tests? I never judge the intelligence from the result of test. I can judge competence, but that is not intelligence,

Re: The hard problem of matter

2018-10-19 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 19 Oct 2018, at 00:56, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > From: Bruno Marchal mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>> >>> On 16 Oct 2018, at 03:50, Brent Meeker >> > wrote: >>> >>> >>> The "separation" of science from religion was the invention of science > > Quite. What follows

Re: Interpretation of Superposition

2018-10-19 Thread Brent Meeker
On 10/19/2018 10:59 AM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday, October 19, 2018 at 5:44:10 PM UTC, Brent wrote: On 10/19/2018 12:17 AM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: *I can see how recoherence is impossible FAPP, but after some time elapses the state of the cat

Re: Interpretation of Superposition

2018-10-19 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 18 Oct 2018, at 21:57, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > > On 10/18/2018 8:11 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> On 16 Oct 2018, at 21:13, Brent Meeker wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 10/16/2018 7:40 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: The problem of the “many-world” is that a “world” is not an easy concept

Re: The hard problem of matter

2018-10-19 Thread John Clark
On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 3:09 PM Bruno Marchal wrote: > *I never judge the intelligence from the result of test. * If not by behavior then how do you determine intelligence in others? You must have some way because I am certain at some point in your life you have met people you consider

Re: The hard problem of matter

2018-10-19 Thread Brent Meeker
On 10/19/2018 11:49 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: For example, in the year 400 Hypatia was teaching both the Mathematics of Diophantus, and the theology of Plotinus. That was very common. Are we supposed to take these early thinkers as definitive? I'm with JKC on this.  We've come a long way