Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

2019-05-26 Thread 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List
See ? You don't understand anything from what Bruno is saying. You only spot the word "Turing", you also heard about the "Turing test", and you shallowly concluded that that is what Bruno is talking about. No. He is talking about all kinds of weird stuff, like numbers that are alive. But of

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

2019-05-26 Thread John Clark
On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 6:07 AM 'Cosmin Visan' < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > *No. You don't understand how telepathy and consciousness generally > works.* > I never demanded you explain how telepathy works I just want you to show that there is something about telepathy than needs

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

2019-05-26 Thread Tomasz Rola
On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 05:36:39PM -0700, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List wrote: > > On 5/25/2019 8:12 AM, Tomasz Rola wrote: [...] > >researchers should train their methodolody on something that should be > >much easier, like, say, proving existence of romantic love? In a lab, > >with

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

2019-05-26 Thread howardmarks
Endless experiments of what you suggest about unification/telepathy/precognition/etc. together/separate/etc. has been tested and tested and tested, under all sorts of circumstances under all conditions thinkable. My father was a lifelong believer things like telepathy and failure to confirm

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

2019-05-26 Thread howardmarks
You are smarter than all of us, Cosmin! On 5/26/2019 6:48 AM, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List wrote: See ? You don't understand anything from what Bruno is saying. You only spot the word "Turing", you also heard about the "Turing test", and you shallowly concluded that that is what Bruno is

Re: Symposium on axioms of consciousness

2019-05-26 Thread Philip Thrift
On Sunday, May 26, 2019 at 12:13:39 PM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 23 May 2019, at 08:47, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, May 22, 2019 at 9:30:04 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 5/21/2019 11:33 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, May 21, 2019 at

Re: Aeon: "AIs should have the same ethical protections as animals"

2019-05-26 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 23 May 2019, at 01:14, Russell Standish wrote: > > On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 03:14:43PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> 2147 Breaking News: >> Alfred has used a very cheap teleportation device to go on Mars. He seemed >> OK and claimed he has not changed, but his wife believes he lost

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

2019-05-26 Thread Philip Thrift
It is ironic that Alan Turing himself thought that actual computing in the universe included (to a large extent) non-Turing computing (where "Turing" here means what became the standard definition as being carried out by the commonly-defined "Turing machine"). That "computing" became

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

2019-05-26 Thread John Clark
On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 9:20 PM howardmarks wrote: > > in James Randi's case, he was saddened by the amount of fraud done on > innocent people who called themselves "psychic," telepathic," able to "talk > with the dead" and so forth. > And Houdini did much the same thing a century ago.

Re: Symposium on axioms of consciousness

2019-05-26 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 23 May 2019, at 08:47, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, May 22, 2019 at 9:30:04 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > > On 5/21/2019 11:33 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> On Tuesday, May 21, 2019 at 6:51:48 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: >> >> >> On 5/21/2019 2:57 PM, Philip Thrift wrote:

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

2019-05-26 Thread howardmarks
When one observes a real phenomenon, then one can create (again falsifiable) theories to explain the phenomenon. Telepathy is not such. On 5/26/2019 3:59 PM, howardmarks wrote: Endless experiments of what you suggest about unification/telepathy/precognition/etc. together/separate/etc. has

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

2019-05-26 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 23 May 2019, at 05:30, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 5/22/2019 6:31 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> On 21 May 2019, at 20:59, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 5/21/2019 2:06 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > 3) I don't even know

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

2019-05-26 Thread howardmarks
Haha! Yes, indeed! In Florida and telephone, I had the privilege of talking to Randi, and the "light"  of truth and justice illuminating his person was marvelous! He & Houdini had a lot in common - truth-seeking, and used their skills as master magicians to spot deceit. Of course, it helped

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

2019-05-26 Thread 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List
What ? You didn't realize this yet ? See ? This is why theories are lacking (for telepathy, and consciousness generally), because people simply fail to see some elements of phenomenology. If people fail to see that consciousness is unified, they will search explanations for telepathy in terms

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

2019-05-26 Thread Tomasz Rola
On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 08:20:42PM -0500, howardmarks wrote: > Well, in James Randi's case, he was saddened by the amount of fraud > done on innocent people who called themselves "psychic," [...] I wandered around the website a bit. Interesting place and they seem sincere, from what I could

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

2019-05-26 Thread John Clark
On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 4:30 AM Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> Nobody knows the answer to the "hard problem of consciousness" because >> nobody knows exactly what the question is or what criteria is to be used to >> determine if its been successfully answered. > > > > *So you don’t understand it.* >

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

2019-05-26 Thread 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List
On 5/26/2019 9:28 AM, Tomasz Rola wrote: On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 05:36:39PM -0700, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List wrote: On 5/25/2019 8:12 AM, Tomasz Rola wrote: [...] researchers should train their methodolody on something that should be much easier, like, say, proving existence of