Re: aiming to complete Everett's derivation of the Born Rule

On Sat, Apr 23, 2022 at 2:35 PM Alan Grayson wrote: *> As for the Sagan issue, as I distinctly recall that I posted the > citations to those articles,* > I distinctly remember asking you over and over and over for a link to the journal articles (at least 2 you said) that you claim to have

Re: aiming to complete Everett's derivation of the Born Rule

On Saturday, April 23, 2022 at 1:40:16 PM UTC-6 johnk...@gmail.com wrote: > On Sat, Apr 23, 2022 at 2:35 PM Alan Grayson wrote: > > *> As for the Sagan issue, as I distinctly recall that I posted the >> citations to those articles,* >> > > I distinctly remember asking you over and over and

Re: The Nature of Contingency: Quantum Physics as Modal Realism

Unless we can potentially contact other world lines, the case for MWI (tho I love it for that reason) is pedantic. Having said that, you guys are doing physics and the philosophy so why stop now? My only offer here is a downloaded scifi novel from physicist James Benford, where certain

Re: aiming to complete Everett's derivation of the Born Rule

On Saturday, April 23, 2022 at 3:04:08 PM UTC-6 johnk...@gmail.com wrote: > > > On Sat, Apr 23, 2022 at 4:17 PM Alan Grayson wrot > > > >> Those two papers were published around 54 years ago, so their references >> aren't at my fingertips. >> > > They haven't been at your fingertips for a

Re: aiming to complete Everett's derivation of the Born Rule

On Saturday, April 23, 2022 at 3:30:46 PM UTC-6 johnk...@gmail.com wrote: > On Sat, Apr 23, 2022 at 5:22 PM Alan Grayson wrote: > > *> You seem obsessed with this issue. More important is the bridge issue >> as it effects the MWI. AG* >> > > Yeah, if I had been caught telling a whopper as

Re: Is Artificial Life Conscious?

On 4/23/2022 4:40 PM, Jason Resch wrote: I think you missed an essential aspect of higher level consciousness.  The subconscious is predictive and what is noticed consciously are little (or sometimes big) corrections to what was predicted. I agree that is an important trait

Re: The Nature of Contingency: Quantum Physics as Modal Realism

On Sat, Apr 23, 2022 at 6:55 PM smitra wrote: > On 23-04-2022 03:44, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Sat, Apr 23, 2022 at 11:18 AM George Kahrimanis > > wrote: > > > >> On Friday, April 22, 2022 at 1:54:36 AM UTC+3 Bruce wrote: > >> > >>> we now know that MWI is inconsistent with any sensible > >>>

Re: The Nature of Contingency: Quantum Physics as Modal Realism

On 4/23/2022 1:31 AM, smitra wrote: On 21-04-2022 22:37, Brent Meeker wrote: On 4/21/2022 1:27 PM, smitra wrote: On 21-04-2022 20:18, Brent Meeker wrote: On 4/21/2022 1:32 AM, smitra wrote: On 21-04-2022 02:53, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 10:05 AM George Kahrimanis

Re: aiming to complete Everett's derivation of the Born Rule

On Saturday, April 23, 2022 at 2:17:00 PM UTC-6 Alan Grayson wrote: > On Saturday, April 23, 2022 at 1:40:16 PM UTC-6 johnk...@gmail.com wrote: > >> On Sat, Apr 23, 2022 at 2:35 PM Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> *> As for the Sagan issue, as I distinctly recall that I posted the >>> citations to

Re: aiming to complete Everett's derivation of the Born Rule

On Sat, Apr 23, 2022 at 4:17 PM Alan Grayson wrot > Those two papers were published around 54 years ago, so their references > aren't at my fingertips. > They haven't been at your fingertips for a very long time, I first asked for them about 10 years ago when you first made that claim.. The

Re: Is Artificial Life Conscious?

On Saturday, April 23, 2022 at 9:41:24 AM UTC-6 Jason wrote: > > > On Sat, Apr 23, 2022, 11:27 AM Alan Grayson wrote: > >> >> >> On Saturday, April 23, 2022 at 3:03:49 AM UTC-6 smi...@zonnet.nl wrote: >> >>> On 23-04-2022 04:38, Jason Resch wrote: >>> > Artificial Life such as these

Re: aiming to complete Everett's derivation of the Born Rule

On Sat, Apr 23, 2022 at 11:05 AM Alan Grayson wrote: Schrödinger's Equation is time independent, >>> >>> *>>> Then why, for example, does the solution for a free particle spread >>> out as time progresses? AG * >>> >> >> >> As time progresses things change, that is in fact what time

Re: Is Artificial Life Conscious?

On 4/23/2022 8:41 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sat, Apr 23, 2022, 11:27 AM Alan Grayson wrote: On Saturday, April 23, 2022 at 3:03:49 AM UTC-6 smi...@zonnet.nl wrote: On 23-04-2022 04:38, Jason Resch wrote: > Artificial Life such as these organisms: >

Re: Is Artificial Life Conscious?

On Sat, Apr 23, 2022 at 4:39 PM Alan Grayson wrote: > > > On Saturday, April 23, 2022 at 9:57:54 AM UTC-6 Alan Grayson wrote: > >> On Saturday, April 23, 2022 at 9:41:24 AM UTC-6 Jason wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Apr 23, 2022, 11:27 AM Alan Grayson wrote: >>> On Saturday, April

Re: aiming to complete Everett's derivation of the Born Rule

On Sat, Apr 23, 2022 at 5:22 PM Alan Grayson wrote: *> You seem obsessed with this issue. More important is the bridge issue > as it effects the MWI. AG* > Yeah, if I had been caught telling a whopper as large as the one you told I 'd want to change the subject too. r4x John K ClarkSee

Re: Is Artificial Life Conscious?

On Sat, Apr 23, 2022 at 6:16 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 4/23/2022 8:41 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Sat, Apr 23, 2022, 11:27 AM Alan Grayson > wrote: > >> >> >> On Saturday, April 23, 2022 at 3:03:49 AM UTC-6 smi...@zonnet.nl wrote: >> >>> On 23-04-2022 04:38, Jason Resch wrote: >>> >

Re: aiming to complete Everett's derivation of the Born Rule

On Sat, Apr 23, 2022 at 5:48 PM Alan Grayson wrote: *> Suppose I told you I am the obscure one, having faded from my previous > glory of working the Great One, Carl Sagan? Would that help?* > It might, if you didn't just tell me but gave me one shred of evidence to indicate you actually are

Re: aiming to complete Everett's derivation of the Born Rule

On Saturday, April 23, 2022 at 3:56:47 PM UTC-6 johnk...@gmail.com wrote: > On Sat, Apr 23, 2022 at 5:48 PM Alan Grayson wrote: > > *> Suppose I told you I am the obscure one, having faded from my previous >> glory of working the Great One, Carl Sagan? Would that help?* >> > > It might, if

Re: Is Artificial Life Conscious?

On Saturday, April 23, 2022 at 5:31:03 PM UTC-6 Jason wrote: > On Sat, Apr 23, 2022 at 4:39 PM Alan Grayson wrote: > >> >> >> On Saturday, April 23, 2022 at 9:57:54 AM UTC-6 Alan Grayson wrote: >> >>> On Saturday, April 23, 2022 at 9:41:24 AM UTC-6 Jason wrote: >>> On Sat, Apr

Re: Is Artificial Life Conscious?

On Sat, Apr 23, 2022, 11:27 AM Alan Grayson wrote: > > > On Saturday, April 23, 2022 at 3:03:49 AM UTC-6 smi...@zonnet.nl wrote: > >> On 23-04-2022 04:38, Jason Resch wrote: >> > Artificial Life such as these organisms: >> > >> > >>

Re: aiming to complete Everett's derivation of the Born Rule

On Saturday, April 23, 2022 at 11:45:08 AM UTC-6 johnk...@gmail.com wrote: > On Sat, Apr 23, 2022 at 11:05 AM Alan Grayson wrote: > > Schrödinger's Equation is time independent, > *>>> Then why, for example, does the solution for a free particle spread out as time

Re: Is Artificial Life Conscious?

On Saturday, April 23, 2022 at 9:57:54 AM UTC-6 Alan Grayson wrote: > On Saturday, April 23, 2022 at 9:41:24 AM UTC-6 Jason wrote: > >> >> >> On Sat, Apr 23, 2022, 11:27 AM Alan Grayson wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Saturday, April 23, 2022 at 3:03:49 AM UTC-6 smi...@zonnet.nl wrote: >>> On

Re: The Nature of Contingency: Quantum Physics as Modal Realism

On 4/23/2022 1:42 AM, smitra wrote: On 22-04-2022 00:54, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 11:58 PM smitra wrote: On 21-04-2022 14:13, Bruce Kellett wrote: As has been pointed out by others, superpositions are ubiquitous. It is only superpositions of the basis vectors of

Re: Is Artificial Life Conscious?

Is *non*-artificial life, other than me of course, conscious? John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at Extropolis o00 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this

Re: aiming to complete Everett's derivation of the Born Rule

On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 2:43:47 PM UTC-6 johnk...@gmail.com wrote: > On Tue, Apr 19, 2022 at 3:01 PM Alan Grayson wrote: > > >> Schrödinger's Equation is time independent, >>> >> >> *> Then why, for example, does the solution for a free particle spread >> out as time progresses? AG *

Re: Is Artificial Life Conscious?

On 23-04-2022 04:38, Jason Resch wrote: Artificial Life such as these organisms: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLq_mdJjNRPT11IF4NFyLcIWJ1C0Z3hTAX ( https://github.com/jasonkresch/bots ) Have neural networks that evolved through natural selection, can adapt to a changing environment,

Re: The Nature of Contingency: Quantum Physics as Modal Realism

On 21-04-2022 22:37, Brent Meeker wrote: On 4/21/2022 1:27 PM, smitra wrote: On 21-04-2022 20:18, Brent Meeker wrote: On 4/21/2022 1:32 AM, smitra wrote: On 21-04-2022 02:53, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 10:05 AM George Kahrimanis wrote: On Tue, Apr 19, 2022 at 11:09 AM

Re: The Nature of Contingency: Quantum Physics as Modal Realism

On 23-04-2022 03:44, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Sat, Apr 23, 2022 at 11:18 AM George Kahrimanis wrote: On Friday, April 22, 2022 at 1:54:36 AM UTC+3 Bruce wrote: we now know that MWI is inconsistent with any sensible interpretation of probability; strict MWI is inconsistent with the Born rule.

Re: The Nature of Contingency: Quantum Physics as Modal Realism

On 22-04-2022 00:54, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 11:58 PM smitra wrote: On 21-04-2022 14:13, Bruce Kellett wrote: As has been pointed out by others, superpositions are ubiquitous. It is only superpositions of the basis vectors of pointer states that are relevant.

Re: aiming to complete Everett's derivation of the Born Rule

On Fri, Apr 22, 2022 at 8:49 PM George Kahrimanis wrote: > >>> Strictly speaking, zero information implies "undefined probability", >> >> >> >> Sure, but [...] >> > > *> Sorry, but if it is undefined then there is no "but".* > In this case there is a "but" because thanks to quantum mechanics