Re: The Nature of Contingency: Quantum Physics as Modal Realism

On Fri, May 6, 2022 at 10:50 PM Russell Standish wrote: On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 05:14:41PM -0700, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > *If there are probabilities attached to the branches, then Gleason's > theorem shows that the probabilities must satisfy the Born rule. * I agree with what you say, so

Re: The Nature of Contingency: Quantum Physics as Modal Realism

On Sun, May 8, 2022 at 11:32 AM smitra wrote: > On 05-05-2022 01:15, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Thu, May 5, 2022 at 5:27 AM smitra wrote: > > > >> On 04-05-2022 01:49, Bruce Kellett wrote: > >>> > >>> I have not introduced any concept of probability. The 2^N branches > >>> that are constructed

Re: The Nature of Contingency: Quantum Physics as Modal Realism

On 5/7/2022 6:21 PM, smitra wrote: On 05-05-2022 00:04, Brent Meeker wrote: On 5/4/2022 12:27 PM, smitra wrote: In fact, that idea introduces a raft of problems of its own -- what is the measure over this infinity of branches? What does it mean to partition infinity in the ratio of 0.9:0.1?

Re: The Nature of Contingency: Quantum Physics as Modal Realism

On Sun, May 8, 2022 at 11:21 AM smitra wrote: > > The issues with branches etc. are likely just artifacts with making > hidden assumptions about branches. At the end of the day there are only > a finite number of states an observer can be in. If an observer is > modeled as an algorithm, take

Re: The Nature of Contingency: Quantum Physics as Modal Realism

On 5/7/2022 8:56 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Sun, May 8, 2022 at 11:40 AM smitra wrote: On 05-05-2022 01:57, Bruce Kellett wrote: > On Thu, May 5, 2022 at 5:27 AM smitra wrote: >> >> Of course you can. The lottery example shows that even in classical >> physics you can

Re: The Nature of Contingency: Quantum Physics as Modal Realism

On Sat, May 7, 2022 at 10:30 PM John Clark wrote: > On Fri, May 6, 2022 at 10:50 PM Russell Standish > wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 05:14:41PM -0700, Brent Meeker wrote: >> >> > *If there are probabilities attached to the branches, then Gleason's >> theorem shows that the probabilities

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Re: The Nature of Contingency: Quantum Physics as Modal Realism

On 04-05-2022 22:24, Brent Meeker wrote: On 5/4/2022 11:36 AM, smitra wrote: On 03-05-2022 19:52, Brent Meeker wrote: On 5/3/2022 5:00 AM, smitra wrote: On 28-04-2022 07:24, Brent Meeker wrote: On 4/26/2022 5:32 PM, smitra wrote: On 27-04-2022 01:37, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Tue, Apr 26,

Re: The Nature of Contingency: Quantum Physics as Modal Realism

On 05-05-2022 00:04, Brent Meeker wrote: On 5/4/2022 12:27 PM, smitra wrote: In fact, that idea introduces a raft of problems of its own -- what is the measure over this infinity of branches? What does it mean to partition infinity in the ratio of 0.9:0.1? What is the mechanism (necessarily

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Re: [Consciousness-Online] FW: Is Artificial Life Conscious?

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Re: The Nature of Contingency: Quantum Physics as Modal Realism

On 05-05-2022 01:15, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Thu, May 5, 2022 at 5:27 AM smitra wrote: On 04-05-2022 01:49, Bruce Kellett wrote: I have not introduced any concept of probability. The 2^N branches that are constructed when both outcomes are realized on each of N Bernoulli trials are all on

Re: The Nature of Contingency: Quantum Physics as Modal Realism

On 05-05-2022 01:57, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Thu, May 5, 2022 at 5:27 AM smitra wrote: On 04-05-2022 01:49, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Tue, May 3, 2022 at 10:11 PM smitra wrote: What you are constructing is not the result of QM. I think you are being confused by the presence of

Re: The Nature of Contingency: Quantum Physics as Modal Realism

On Sun, May 8, 2022 at 11:40 AM smitra wrote: > On 05-05-2022 01:57, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Thu, May 5, 2022 at 5:27 AM smitra wrote: > >> > >> Of course you can. The lottery example shows that even in classical > >> physics you can imagine this happening. If a million copies of you are >

Re: The Nature of Contingency: Quantum Physics as Modal Realism

On Sun, May 8, 2022 at 2:24 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > On 5/7/2022 8:56 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > I think this boils down to the first person:third person confusion that > Bruno often refers to. > From the third person perspective, the outcome is certain. But from the > first person perspective