On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 1:26 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 4/18/2011 9:55 AM, Rex Allen wrote:
If there are commonalities in individuals who manifest certain
behaviors, then it makes sense to look at those commonalities as
causal (especially once a plausible mechanism can be
On 4/18/2011 11:26 PM, Rex Allen wrote:
If we consider the case of this person, and are unable to see any
plausible explanation that could account for their behavior - no
commonalities with other cases, nothing that matches against any other
statistics, no plausible mechanisms from sociology,
On 18 Apr 2011, at 18:55, Rex Allen wrote:
On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 6:32 PM, John Mikes jami...@gmail.com wrote:
We exercise a decisionmaking 'will' that is a product of the 'mini'
everything we are under the influences of. But free it is not.
Well put.
So, here is a summary of Dennett's
On 19 Apr 2011, at 07:38, Rex Allen wrote:
On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 1:24 AM, Rex Allen rexallen31...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 12:24 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be
wrote:
Th fact that you say that compatibilist free will is faux will
or worst
subjective will means
On 15 Apr 2011, at 21:16, Rex Allen wrote:
On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 3:45 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be
wrote:
On 14 Apr 2011, at 22:25, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
Hence Rex might well be right that the discussion here continues
because
we do not have free will.
This shows only that
On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 6:32 PM, John Mikes jami...@gmail.com wrote:
We exercise a decisionmaking 'will' that is a product of the 'mini'
everything we are under the influences of. But free it is not.
Well put.
So, here is a summary of Dennett's position:
Dennett makes use of his treatment of
On 4/18/2011 9:24 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
This is really another vast topics, and a very complex one. What
machine's theology can explain, is that in such a domain the hell is
paved with the good intentions. We can teach to the children the
respect of the other person *only* by examples, or
On 4/18/2011 9:24 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Orwell get the point; freedom (the attractor of free will) *is* 2+2=4.
And this can be real relief ... if you have the chance to be able to
say that 2+2=4 in your neighborhood. I am living in a society who has
always defended my right to say that
On 18 Apr 2011, at 18:59, meekerdb wrote:
On 4/18/2011 9:24 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Orwell get the point; freedom (the attractor of free will) *is*
2+2=4. And this can be real relief ... if you have the chance to
be able to say that 2+2=4 in your neighborhood. I am living in a
On 4/18/2011 9:55 AM, Rex Allen wrote:
On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 6:32 PM, John Mikesjami...@gmail.com wrote:
We exercise a decisionmaking 'will' that is a product of the 'mini'
everything we are under the influences of. But free it is not.
Well put.
So, here is a summary of Dennett's
Hi Rex,
-Original Message-
From: Rex Allen
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To: everything-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [OT] Love and free will
On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 6:32 PM, John Mikes jami...@gmail.com wrote:
We exercise a decisionmaking 'will' that is a product
On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 12:24 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
On 15 Apr 2011, at 21:16, Rex Allen wrote:
On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 3:45 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
On 14 Apr 2011, at 22:25, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
Hence Rex might well be right that the discussion
On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 1:24 AM, Rex Allen rexallen31...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 12:24 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
Th fact that you say that compatibilist free will is faux will or worst
subjective will means that you *do* believe in incompatibilist free will.
On 4/18/2011 10:24 PM, Rex Allen wrote:
What you are proposing would be more like biology reusing the word “soul”.
No, it's analogous to music using the word soul.
Brent
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On 4/18/2011 10:24 PM, Rex Allen wrote:
“Free will” has too much baggage to be re-used.
So why keep it? Why not start fresh with a nice new term that you can
use to mean exactly what you want, with no misunderstandings?
Think of a new term that you can make your own. What could
compatibilists
Rex, Evgeniy and List:
Are we speaking about a mysterious 'free will' that is unrelated to the rest
of the world and depends only how we like it? In my view our 'likings' and
'not' depend on the concerning experience and genetic built in our mentality
(whatever THAT is composed of) in limitations
On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 4:41 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi use...@rudnyi.ru wrote:
On 15.04.2011 21:16 Rex Allen said the following:
On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 3:45 AM, Bruno Marchalmarc...@ulb.ac.be
wrote:
I think it is a bit dangerous, especially that there is already a
social tendency to dissolve
On 14 Apr 2011, at 22:25, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
This week in Die Zeit there were two papers about love and fidelity.
One more scientific, another more philosophic. In the latter there
is a couple of paragraphs related to Goethe’s “Elective
Affinities” that are 100% in agreement with Rex:
-Original Message-
From: Bruno Marchal
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 3:45 AM
To: everything-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [OT] Love and free will
On 14 Apr 2011, at 22:25, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
This week in Die Zeit there were two papers about love and fidelity. One
more
On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 3:45 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
On 14 Apr 2011, at 22:25, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
This week in Die Zeit there were two papers about love and fidelity. One
more scientific, another more philosophic. In the latter there is a couple
of paragraphs related to
On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 11:17 AM, Stephen Paul King
stephe...@charter.net wrote:
-Original Message- From: Bruno Marchal
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 3:45 AM
To: everything-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [OT] Love and free will
On 14 Apr 2011, at 22:25, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote
On 4/15/2011 12:16 PM, Rex Allen wrote:
Critics of free will in the absolute incompatibilist sense are correct.
Critics of compatibilist free will object to the misuse of terms by
compatibilists, not to the concepts described by those terms.
There is no confusion. The problem is quite
On 4/15/2011 12:45 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
This shows only that we don't have free-will in the absolute
incompatibilist sense, but there are compatibilist theories, which
explains well the correctness of a relative (to the subject)
incompatibilist feature of free will.
Critics of free-will
Could someone recommend a nice and not that long reading (the best in
the form of en executive summary) on absolute incompatibilist sense and
compatibilist theories of free will?
On 15.04.2011 21:16 Rex Allen said the following:
On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 3:45 AM, Bruno Marchalmarc...@ulb.ac.be
On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 3:48 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 4/15/2011 12:16 PM, Rex Allen wrote:
Critics of free will in the absolute incompatibilist sense are correct.
Critics of compatibilist free will object to the misuse of terms by
compatibilists, not to the concepts
On 4/15/2011 1:36 PM, Rex Allen wrote:
On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 3:48 PM, meekerdbmeeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 4/15/2011 12:16 PM, Rex Allen wrote:
Critics of free will in the absolute incompatibilist sense are correct.
Critics of compatibilist free will object to the misuse of
On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 4:53 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 4/15/2011 1:36 PM, Rex Allen wrote:
On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 3:48 PM, meekerdbmeeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 4/15/2011 12:16 PM, Rex Allen wrote:
Critics of free will in the absolute incompatibilist sense are
On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 4:04 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi use...@rudnyi.ru wrote:
Could someone recommend a nice and not that long reading (the best in the
form of en executive summary) on absolute incompatibilist sense and
compatibilist theories of free will?
On the compatibilism side, maybe Daniel
This week in Die Zeit there were two papers about love and fidelity. One
more scientific, another more philosophic. In the latter there is a
couple of paragraphs related to Goethe’s “Elective Affinities” that are
100% in agreement with Rex:
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