Re: Computationalism -- Leibniz's new paradigm for science
On 31 Oct 2012, at 14:30, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal Yes, in Leibniz's metaphysics, the only active agent is the supreme monad ... This makes sense, with "supreme monad" = universal number. ... (the One), I prefer to reserve the ONE for the whole arithmetical truth. The universal number defines only, or get only, a tiny part of it. The supreme monads are the universal mayer of reality. We get already many in the brain (and the brain itself), but also in our cells (I can argue at least). The ONE, or arithmetical truth, is much bigger, knows much more, and is typically NOT active. It just is, if you want. The soul is what will connect the supreme monad (the man, but also the octopi!) to the ONE, or God (the Truth). who essentially does everything-- but performs actions needed or requested by its submonads. Submonads? One might think of the supreme monad as creating all actions. As universal mind. Yes. that's us, except that we have invented the experts, and the many non universal jobs. That's God's problem, he lost himself into supreme monads (universal structure) and even eventually into non universal one (like an employee in some manufactories, repeating mechanical acts all the time). The actions themselves appear "as if" they would in Newton's physics. Locally. Yes, but this is what comp must explain. Comp might still fail on this. It is its main test. Hmmm. I've never considered that there might be comparable submonads in Plato's realm. Submonads? Bruno Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 10/31/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-10-30, 10:45:12 Subject: Re: Computationalism -- Leibniz's new paradigm for science On 30 Oct 2012, at 13:07, Roger Clough wrote: Computationalism and downward causation -- Leibniz's new paradigm for science The new, strictly logical, Leibnizian view of the universe is that the new paradigm- computationalism-- is thoroughly logically based, while conventional science is based on appearances, not that the appearances are wrong. In a previous email I explained how all of today's science is based on the logical error that mind and matter can directly interact, which is false, because they are two different substances, completely foreign to one another. The more strictly logical view, as Leibniz showed, is that the interaction only appears to happen. But the strictly logical Leibnizian view is that upward causation is only an appearance. All true causation is actually downward (Platonic). This new understanding not only allows today's scientific results to be apparently true, but opens the door to previously unexplainable phenomena such as gravity. Another way to say this is that, although they may appear to be a posteriori (in the world), all causes are actually theoretical (a priori). Numbers being a priori (given), this gives a completely new solidity to computationalism. This would make Leibniz closer to Plato and Plotinus. I can only be happy with this. There is a lot in Leibiz which announces comp, from the binary (taken in the Yi-King) to the universal language, and also by its general philosophy. I agree, but I know that some fan of Leibniz are not so happy with this, but I guess they have a materialist conception of comp (which is inconsistent). Bruno Roger Clough -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en . http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en . http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
Re: Re: Computationalism -- Leibniz's new paradigm for science
Hi Bruno Marchal Yes, in Leibniz's metaphysics, the only active agent is the supreme monad (the One), who essentially does everything-- but performs actions needed or requested by its submonads. One might think of the supreme monad as creating all actions. As universal mind. The actions themselves appear "as if" they would in Newton's physics. Hmmm. I've never considered that there might be comparable submonads in Plato's realm. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 10/31/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-10-30, 10:45:12 Subject: Re: Computationalism -- Leibniz's new paradigm for science On 30 Oct 2012, at 13:07, Roger Clough wrote: Computationalism and downward causation -- Leibniz's new paradigm for science The new, strictly logical, Leibnizian view of the universe is that the new paradigm- computationalism-- is thoroughly logically based, while conventional science is based on appearances, not that the appearances are wrong. In a previous email I explained how all of today's science is based on the logical error that mind and matter can directly interact, which is false, because they are two different substances, completely foreign to one another. The more strictly logical view, as Leibniz showed, is that the interaction only appears to happen. But the strictly logical Leibnizian view is that upward causation is only an appearance. All true causation is actually downward (Platonic). This new understanding not only allows today's scientific results to be apparently true, but opens the door to previously unexplainable phenomena such as gravity. Another way to say this is that, although they may appear to be a posteriori (in the world), all causes are actually theoretical (a priori). Numbers being a priori (given), this gives a completely new solidity to computationalism. This would make Leibniz closer to Plato and Plotinus. I can only be happy with this. There is a lot in Leibiz which announces comp, from the binary (taken in the Yi-King) to the universal language, and also by its general philosophy. I agree, but I know that some fan of Leibniz are not so happy with this, but I guess they have a materialist conception of comp (which is inconsistent). Bruno Roger Clough -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
Re: Computationalism -- Leibniz's new paradigm for science
On 30 Oct 2012, at 13:07, Roger Clough wrote: Computationalism and downward causation -- Leibniz's new paradigm for science The new, strictly logical, Leibnizian view of the universe is that the new paradigm- computationalism-- is thoroughly logically based, while conventional science is based on appearances, not that the appearances are wrong. In a previous email I explained how all of today's science is based on the logical error that mind and matter can directly interact, which is false, because they are two different substances, completely foreign to one another. The more strictly logical view, as Leibniz showed, is that the interaction only appears to happen. But the strictly logical Leibnizian view is that upward causation is only an appearance. All true causation is actually downward (Platonic). This new understanding not only allows today's scientific results to be apparently true, but opens the door to previously unexplainable phenomena such as gravity. Another way to say this is that, although they may appear to be a posteriori (in the world), all causes are actually theoretical (a priori). Numbers being a priori (given), this gives a completely new solidity to computationalism. This would make Leibniz closer to Plato and Plotinus. I can only be happy with this. There is a lot in Leibiz which announces comp, from the binary (taken in the Yi-King) to the universal language, and also by its general philosophy. I agree, but I know that some fan of Leibniz are not so happy with this, but I guess they have a materialist conception of comp (which is inconsistent). Bruno Roger Clough -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en . http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
Re: Computationalism -- Leibniz's new paradigm for science
Roger, Mind and matter can interact if they both contain BECs. Richard On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 8:07 AM, Roger Clough wrote: > Computationalism and downward causation -- Leibniz's new paradigm for > science > > The new, strictly logical, Leibnizian view of the universe is > that the new paradigm- computationalism-- is thoroughly > logically based, while conventional science is based on appearances, > not that the appearances are wrong. > > In a previous email I explained how all of today's science is based > on the logical error that mind and matter can directly > interact, which is false, because they are two different > substances, completely foreign to one another. > > The more strictly logical view, as Leibniz showed, is that > the interaction only appears to happen. > But the strictly logical Leibnizian view is that upward > causation is only an appearance. All true causation is > actually downward (Platonic). > > This new understanding not only allows today's scientific > results to be apparently true, but opens the door to > previously unexplainable phenomena such as gravity. > > Another way to say this is that, although they may > appear to be a posteriori (in the world), all causes > are actually theoretical (a priori). Numbers being > a priori (given), this gives a completely new > solidity to computationalism. > > > > Roger Clough > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
Computationalism -- Leibniz's new paradigm for science
Computationalism and downward causation -- Leibniz's new paradigm for science The new, strictly logical, Leibnizian view of the universe is that the new paradigm- computationalism-- is thoroughly logically based, while conventional science is based on appearances, not that the appearances are wrong. In a previous email I explained how all of today's science is based on the logical error that mind and matter can directly interact, which is false, because they are two different substances, completely foreign to one another. The more strictly logical view, as Leibniz showed, is that the interaction only appears to happen. But the strictly logical Leibnizian view is that upward causation is only an appearance. All true causation is actually downward (Platonic). This new understanding not only allows today's scientific results to be apparently true, but opens the door to previously unexplainable phenomena such as gravity. Another way to say this is that, although they may appear to be a posteriori (in the world), all causes are actually theoretical (a priori). Numbers being a priori (given), this gives a completely new solidity to computationalism. Roger Clough -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
