Re: thoughts ?

2011-06-21 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 20 Jun 2011, at 19:10, selva wrote: On Jun 20, 6:32 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 19 Jun 2011, at 19:35, selva wrote: On Jun 19, 5:21 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote: Hi selva, On 17 Jun 2011, at 22:10, selva wrote: 1.consider a person cut off from all his senses,all his 5 senses shu

Re: thoughts ?

2011-06-20 Thread Terren Suydam
Two words: sharpshooter fallacy. On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 3:59 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: > On 20.06.2011 21:13 meekerdb said the following: >> >> On 6/20/2011 11:05 AM, selva wrote: >>> >>> it is proved in noetic science that our thoughts(only thoughts and >>> not the actions due to those thoughts

Re: thoughts ?

2011-06-20 Thread meekerdb
On 6/20/2011 12:59 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 20.06.2011 21:13 meekerdb said the following: On 6/20/2011 11:05 AM, selva wrote: it is proved in noetic science that our thoughts(only thoughts and not the actions due to those thoughts)affect our physical environment. Where are these proofs pu

Re: thoughts ?

2011-06-20 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 20.06.2011 21:13 meekerdb said the following: On 6/20/2011 11:05 AM, selva wrote: it is proved in noetic science that our thoughts(only thoughts and not the actions due to those thoughts)affect our physical environment. Where are these proofs published? I was trying to understand what noe

Re: thoughts ?

2011-06-20 Thread meekerdb
On 6/20/2011 11:05 AM, selva wrote: it is proved in noetic science that our thoughts(only thoughts and not the actions due to those thoughts)affect our physical environment. Where are these proofs published? Brent "All those canes, braces and crutches, and not a single glass eye, wooden l

Re: thoughts ?

2011-06-20 Thread Quentin Anciaux
I don't believe per se to what is coined by "noetic science". But that the study of consciousness is primary in a computational theory of the mind, yes I do. Quentin 2011/6/20 selva > > On Jun 20, 10:57 pm, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > It does occur when you have interaction with the environmen

Re: thoughts ?

2011-06-20 Thread selva
On Jun 20, 10:57 pm, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > It does occur when you have interaction with the environment... your mind > obviously got feedback/input from the environment through the senses.. .and yes it got the input and is not getting the input.we can think of only what we have experienced.. >

Re: thoughts ?

2011-06-20 Thread Quentin Anciaux
It does occur when you have interaction with the environment... your mind obviously got feedback/input from the environment through the senses... so if no input is given, how can the mind can interract with it. And the mind act on the environment through the body. I don't know of any instance of d

Re: thoughts ?

2011-06-20 Thread selva
by saying "it does not occur in the situation i am describing.."so it does occur when our sense are present.in that case,it implies that our thoughts are affecting the environment through our senses.now how is that possible?senses are unidirectional. the situation i am describing becomes insignific

Re: thoughts ?

2011-06-20 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2011/6/20 selva > > > On Jun 20, 6:32 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 19 Jun 2011, at 19:35, selva wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 19, 5:21 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > >> Hi selva, > > > > >> On 17 Jun 2011, at 22:10, selva wrote: > > > > >>> 1.consider a person cut off from all his se

Re: thoughts ?

2011-06-20 Thread selva
On Jun 20, 6:32 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote: > On 19 Jun 2011, at 19:35, selva wrote: > > > > > > > On Jun 19, 5:21 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> Hi selva, > > >> On 17 Jun 2011, at 22:10, selva wrote: > > >>> 1.consider a person cut off from all his senses,all his 5 senses   > >>> shut > >>> down

Re: thoughts ?

2011-06-20 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 19 Jun 2011, at 19:35, selva wrote: On Jun 19, 5:21 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote: Hi selva, On 17 Jun 2011, at 22:10, selva wrote: 1.consider a person cut off from all his senses,all his 5 senses shut down and now he is about to find a solution for a problem. Does his environment (or r

Re: thoughts ?

2011-06-20 Thread Jason Resch
It is interesting to note that the human psyche will break if cut off from any sensory stimuli for more than about 48 hours. I don't believe this is due to some philosophical need for a mind to be connected to its environment, however, rather I would guess it is due to the design of the neurons or

Re: thoughts ?

2011-06-19 Thread selva
On Jun 19, 5:21 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote: > Hi selva, > > On 17 Jun 2011, at 22:10, selva wrote: > > > > > 1.consider a person cut off from all his senses,all his 5 senses shut > > down and now he is about to find a solution for a problem. Does his > > environment (or rather,positions of atoms/en

Re: thoughts ?

2011-06-19 Thread Bruno Marchal
Hi selva, On 17 Jun 2011, at 22:10, selva wrote: 1.consider a person cut off from all his senses,all his 5 senses shut down and now he is about to find a solution for a problem. Does his environment (or rather,positions of atoms/energy around him, ) ,affects his solution ? Assuming mechanism

RE: thoughts ?

2011-06-17 Thread Howard Marks
-Original Message- From: selva Sent: June 17, 2011 3:10 PM To: Everything List Subject: thoughts ? hi everyone, 1.consider a person cut off from all his senses,all his 5 senses shut down and now he is about to find a solution for a problem. Does his environment (or rather,positions