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On 14 Mar 2014, at 19:49, ghib...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday, March 14, 2014 4:46:09 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 14 Mar 2014, at 17:08, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday, March 7, 2014 8:18:22 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 07 Mar 2014, at 00:05, meekerdb wrote: On 3/6/2014 2:58 PM, Russell Standish wrote: My only comment is that I don't think X's hostility towards Bruno started when he mentioned the question Goedel? in class. That, in itself, should not be sufficient to earn the ire of even the most seasoned of psychopaths. Instead, I suspect the relationship soured badly during Bruno's end-of-studies dissertation, probably because Bruno had an inquiring mind, and X just wanted him to focus on his own research interests (not an uncommon occurrance - I had something similar in my PhD, but without the consequences Bruno faced). Nevertheless, that doesn't excuse X's actions, which remain appalling by anyone's standard. Why so circumspect about the identity of X. With so many mentions it would be easy for anyone to dig up to whom X refers, so why not just use his name? I avoid the name, because I want to avoid complications. I can tell you out-of-line if you ask, and I might once day make public the prosecution files. He is an obscure guy, without any serious publications. Since those events I got phone calls by people who attribute him many suicides, and the facts that he exploits other people by pushing them to do mistake, and then he exploits the pressure (shakedown, blackmail) and things like that. It is harassment by manipulation. He was almost a friend, always nice and funny with me. It took me 20 years to figure out the manipulation. Well, it took me to put that thesis down, as he was forced to make a public move. It is a sort of serial killer, without a trace. Many people were shocked by his behavior, and even more by the fact that he got protection from above, and has been able to pursue his violent actions. He was a sort of genius in demolishing people (and then even computers) at a distance. A mind hacker. He was not a bad teacher. I did appreciate him and his teaching very much, despite he told me that there was nothing interesting in Gödel's theorem. He has been also alcoholic for some period, and heavy chain smoker, even in the classroom (that was accepted long ago!). As the logician Maurice Boffa was also a member of the jury of non acceptance, I would like to insist that it was not him. On the contrary, Boffa realized the manipulation and try hard to defend me. Boffa was a real, and notorious mathematical logician, with many important publications. Like Smets, Gochet, VandenBussche, Boelen, and others, he died soon after those events. l Bruno I'm sorry to hear what you went through. It's a nasty business being caught up with a psychopath, if that's what he is. There are obviously lots of ways for a person to end up ultra manipulative and destructive. Non-psychopath destructive profiles are actually a lot worse in some areas. Long term destructive antagonism the hat goes way beyond anything to gain from, done with a smiling face...that's a non-psychopath profile. People destroy eachother's careers like that, usually when they start out friends, then the relationship naturally adjusts the relative seniority due to talent or whatever. Typically the person on the down tries to adjust but struggles, but things kind of fizzle out, normally including the closeness of the relationship. Things go the other way and turn nasty normally when the person on the up commits a competitive slight. Something that on the face of it was perfectly reasonable, but with hindsight was unnecessary.involved piling it on when the relationship was already reversing. Going onto that person's space and competing there for, in hindsight, reasons of euphoria at things going well. The person on the up does nothing wrong but the person on the down takes it very hard. It feels like rubbing salt in the wound. Signals are sent 'why are you doing this? But the other person hasn't thought it through and transmits back a smiling face. Which is misread and taken even harder and the dye is caste. Some people can push someone to commit suicide for lucrative reason, they are not psychopath, but not much more nice than those people would push someone to commit suicide just for their own satisfaction, and which would be my definition of psychopath. Of course the frontier between both might be thin, and when the killing is moral, usually the killer can mask well his intentions. It's true, and whether the individual is an innate psychopath or not hardly matters in terms of that particular relationship, in which he has locked onto a destruction seeking path. It's effectively a psychopathic 1 on 1 (one way) situation. He's not empathizing. Also, the behaviour can lock in at an earlier
Re: Amoeba's Secret, by Bruno Marchal available from Kindle store
On Friday, March 14, 2014 11:26:26 PM UTC, Liz R wrote: On 15 March 2014 08:18, ghi...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: If you're a Doctor Who fan, I'm reminded of a scene where the Doctor responds adamantly to a suggested way to deal with a threat by saying you don't understand, I can't do that. I have rules that I live by The other person responds with a slight contempt You can't deal with those who have no rules, with rules. You are a goody goody The Doctor looks back darkly The Good don't need rules As a Dr Who fan I would very much like to know which scene that is! (It reminds me of the have I the right? scene in Genesis of the Daleks in which Sarah Jane Smith tries to persuade the Doctor to stop the Daleks from ever having existed by blowing up an incubation chamber - which curiously enough IS blown up later, but doesn't seem to slow them down overmuch...) hi liz - I'm not actually a fan myself. I watched most of the david tenant episodes and admired his creation of the role a lot. the scene I paraphrased the guy just left actually...wasn't a fan but only because it sort of crossed a bit far over to children's television with him. I expect they've picked that one up and are about to unleash a major rebalancing. Going grey gives a wink and nod that way. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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On Saturday, March 15, 2014 8:38:18 PM UTC, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday, March 14, 2014 11:26:26 PM UTC, Liz R wrote: On 15 March 2014 08:18, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: If you're a Doctor Who fan, I'm reminded of a scene where the Doctor responds adamantly to a suggested way to deal with a threat by saying you don't understand, I can't do that. I have rules that I live by The other person responds with a slight contempt You can't deal with those who have no rules, with rules. You are a goody goody The Doctor looks back darkly The Good don't need rules As a Dr Who fan I would very much like to know which scene that is! (It reminds me of the have I the right? scene in Genesis of the Daleks in which Sarah Jane Smith tries to persuade the Doctor to stop the Daleks from ever having existed by blowing up an incubation chamber - which curiously enough IS blown up later, but doesn't seem to slow them down overmuch...) hi liz - I'm not actually a fan myself. I watched most of the david tenant episodes and admired his creation of the role a lot. the scene I paraphrased the guy just left actually...wasn't a fan but only because it sort of crossed a bit far over to children's television with him. I expect they've picked that one up and are about to unleash a major rebalancing. Going grey gives a wink and nod that way. there you go http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5JnqPSzSLo -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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On Saturday, March 15, 2014 8:39:54 PM UTC, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday, March 15, 2014 8:38:18 PM UTC, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday, March 14, 2014 11:26:26 PM UTC, Liz R wrote: On 15 March 2014 08:18, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: If you're a Doctor Who fan, I'm reminded of a scene where the Doctor responds adamantly to a suggested way to deal with a threat by saying you don't understand, I can't do that. I have rules that I live by The other person responds with a slight contempt You can't deal with those who have no rules, with rules. You are a goody goody The Doctor looks back darkly The Good don't need rules As a Dr Who fan I would very much like to know which scene that is! (It reminds me of the have I the right? scene in Genesis of the Daleks in which Sarah Jane Smith tries to persuade the Doctor to stop the Daleks from ever having existed by blowing up an incubation chamber - which curiously enough IS blown up later, but doesn't seem to slow them down overmuch...) hi liz - I'm not actually a fan myself. I watched most of the david tenant episodes and admired his creation of the role a lot. the scene I paraphrased the guy just left actually...wasn't a fan but only because it sort of crossed a bit far over to children's television with him. I expect they've picked that one up and are about to unleash a major rebalancing. Going grey gives a wink and nod that way. there you go http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5JnqPSzSLo great look and line.dying to have a go at itbut need a room full of dr who haters...maybe a support group somewhere -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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On Saturday, March 15, 2014 8:50:41 PM UTC, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday, March 15, 2014 8:39:54 PM UTC, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday, March 15, 2014 8:38:18 PM UTC, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday, March 14, 2014 11:26:26 PM UTC, Liz R wrote: On 15 March 2014 08:18, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: If you're a Doctor Who fan, I'm reminded of a scene where the Doctor responds adamantly to a suggested way to deal with a threat by saying you don't understand, I can't do that. I have rules that I live by The other person responds with a slight contempt You can't deal with those who have no rules, with rules. You are a goody goody The Doctor looks back darkly The Good don't need rules As a Dr Who fan I would very much like to know which scene that is! (It reminds me of the have I the right? scene in Genesis of the Daleks in which Sarah Jane Smith tries to persuade the Doctor to stop the Daleks from ever having existed by blowing up an incubation chamber - which curiously enough IS blown up later, but doesn't seem to slow them down overmuch...) hi liz - I'm not actually a fan myself. I watched most of the david tenant episodes and admired his creation of the role a lot. the scene I paraphrased the guy just left actually...wasn't a fan but only because it sort of crossed a bit far over to children's television with him. I expect they've picked that one up and are about to unleash a major rebalancing. Going grey gives a wink and nod that way. there you go http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5JnqPSzSLo look and line.dying to have a go at itbut need a room full of dr who haters...maybe a support group somewhere I've no idea why this thought popped up. Actually it's pretty obvious thinking about it. But did anyone else happen to read The Dice Man at a certain age and stage to be that thrilled and daft to actually embark on any kind of dice-adventure? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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On 16 March 2014 09:39, ghib...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday, March 15, 2014 8:38:18 PM UTC, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday, March 14, 2014 11:26:26 PM UTC, Liz R wrote: On 15 March 2014 08:18, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: If you're a Doctor Who fan, I'm reminded of a scene where the Doctor responds adamantly to a suggested way to deal with a threat by saying you don't understand, I can't do that. I have rules that I live by The other person responds with a slight contempt You can't deal with those who have no rules, with rules. You are a goody goody The Doctor looks back darkly The Good don't need rules As a Dr Who fan I would very much like to know which scene that is! (It reminds me of the have I the right? scene in Genesis of the Daleks in which Sarah Jane Smith tries to persuade the Doctor to stop the Daleks from ever having existed by blowing up an incubation chamber - which curiously enough IS blown up later, but doesn't seem to slow them down overmuch...) hi liz - I'm not actually a fan myself. I watched most of the david tenant episodes and admired his creation of the role a lot. the scene I paraphrased the guy just left actually...wasn't a fan but only because it sort of crossed a bit far over to children's television with him. I expect they've picked that one up and are about to unleash a major rebalancing. Going grey gives a wink and nod that way. I had better rephrase. I'm a Doctor Who fan, but not the obsessive type who knows who was the third extra from the left in episode 3 of The Ear of Doom -- meaning I started watching it in 1964 and went off it when Douglas Adams became script editor and started shoehorning in a load of Hitch-hiker style jokes in around 1977. I have written reviews and gone on (at length) about the strengths and weaknesses of both classic and New Who on various forums. I consider Tenant to be the worst incarnation of the Doctor, but only thanks to the appalling scripts by Russell T Davies. Generally I think that now the show has been taken over by long-term fans it has ceased to be the show I grew up with in anything but name. The original was clunky and hackneyed, but at least it had sensible stories, some passably believable characters, some strong women (yes, sorry, but they were a lot better than the current lot who have to be feisty or versions of Lara Croft - Barbara Wright and Sarah Jane Smith immediately come to mind) lots of bad acting (Nuffink in ze Vorld can stop me now!), a central character who hadn't turned into a cross between Harry Potter and Superman, and who couldn't see off a variety of alien races merely by shouting at them, and of course the Daleks before they were turned into Tellytubby bumper cars who couldn't exterminate a paper bag. But enough. If anyone wants to know my views on the most important TV show in the universe ever, you can be amused and entertained at the following links. http://up211.wordpress.com/2011/03/17/a-night-at-the-optera/ http://www.pagefillers.com/dwrg/partingways.htm#9 there you go http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5JnqPSzSLo Thank you! I might have guessed it was more grandstanding by the 11th Doctor. Of course hope springs eternal, and in my case I'm hoping that means the divine Peter Capaldi will ditch the sonic screw driver, become properly scared of monsters, and generally make the whole thing edge of the seat viewing once more. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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On Friday, March 7, 2014 8:18:22 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 07 Mar 2014, at 00:05, meekerdb wrote: On 3/6/2014 2:58 PM, Russell Standish wrote: My only comment is that I don't think X's hostility towards Bruno started when he mentioned the question Goedel? in class. That, in itself, should not be sufficient to earn the ire of even the most seasoned of psychopaths. Instead, I suspect the relationship soured badly during Bruno's end-of-studies dissertation, probably because Bruno had an inquiring mind, and X just wanted him to focus on his own research interests (not an uncommon occurrance - I had something similar in my PhD, but without the consequences Bruno faced). Nevertheless, that doesn't excuse X's actions, which remain appalling by anyone's standard. Why so circumspect about the identity of X. With so many mentions it would be easy for anyone to dig up to whom X refers, so why not just use his name? I avoid the name, because I want to avoid complications. I can tell you out-of-line if you ask, and I might once day make public the prosecution files. He is an obscure guy, without any serious publications. Since those events I got phone calls by people who attribute him many suicides, and the facts that he exploits other people by pushing them to do mistake, and then he exploits the pressure (shakedown, blackmail) and things like that. It is harassment by manipulation. He was almost a friend, always nice and funny with me. It took me 20 years to figure out the manipulation. Well, it took me to put that thesis down, as he was forced to make a public move. It is a sort of serial killer, without a trace. Many people were shocked by his behavior, and even more by the fact that he got protection from above, and has been able to pursue his violent actions. He was a sort of genius in demolishing people (and then even computers) at a distance. A mind hacker. He was not a bad teacher. I did appreciate him and his teaching very much, despite he told me that there was nothing interesting in Gödel's theorem. He has been also alcoholic for some period, and heavy chain smoker, even in the classroom (that was accepted long ago!). As the logician Maurice Boffa was also a member of the jury of non acceptance, I would like to insist that it was not him. On the contrary, Boffa realized the manipulation and try hard to defend me. Boffa was a real, and notorious mathematical logician, with many important publications. Like Smets, Gochet, VandenBussche, Boelen, and others, he died soon after those events. l Bruno I'm sorry to hear what you went through. It's a nasty business being caught up with a psychopath, if that's what he is. There are obviously lots of ways for a person to end up ultra manipulative and destructive. Non-psychopath destructive profiles are actually a lot worse in some areas. Long term destructive antagonism the hat goes way beyond anything to gain from, done with a smiling face...that's a non-psychopath profile. People destroy eachother's careers like that, usually when they start out friends, then the relationship naturally adjusts the relative seniority due to talent or whatever. Typically the person on the down tries to adjust but struggles, but things kind of fizzle out, normally including the closeness of the relationship. Things go the other way and turn nasty normally when the person on the up commits a competitive slight. Something that on the face of it was perfectly reasonable, but with hindsight was unnecessary.involved piling it on when the relationship was already reversing. Going onto that person's space and competing there for, in hindsight, reasons of euphoria at things going well. The person on the up does nothing wrong but the person on the down takes it very hard. It feels like rubbing salt in the wound. Signals are sent 'why are you doing this? But the other person hasn't thought it through and transmits back a smiling face. Which is misread and taken even harder and the dye is caste. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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On 14 Mar 2014, at 17:08, ghib...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday, March 7, 2014 8:18:22 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 07 Mar 2014, at 00:05, meekerdb wrote: On 3/6/2014 2:58 PM, Russell Standish wrote: My only comment is that I don't think X's hostility towards Bruno started when he mentioned the question Goedel? in class. That, in itself, should not be sufficient to earn the ire of even the most seasoned of psychopaths. Instead, I suspect the relationship soured badly during Bruno's end-of-studies dissertation, probably because Bruno had an inquiring mind, and X just wanted him to focus on his own research interests (not an uncommon occurrance - I had something similar in my PhD, but without the consequences Bruno faced). Nevertheless, that doesn't excuse X's actions, which remain appalling by anyone's standard. Why so circumspect about the identity of X. With so many mentions it would be easy for anyone to dig up to whom X refers, so why not just use his name? I avoid the name, because I want to avoid complications. I can tell you out-of-line if you ask, and I might once day make public the prosecution files. He is an obscure guy, without any serious publications. Since those events I got phone calls by people who attribute him many suicides, and the facts that he exploits other people by pushing them to do mistake, and then he exploits the pressure (shakedown, blackmail) and things like that. It is harassment by manipulation. He was almost a friend, always nice and funny with me. It took me 20 years to figure out the manipulation. Well, it took me to put that thesis down, as he was forced to make a public move. It is a sort of serial killer, without a trace. Many people were shocked by his behavior, and even more by the fact that he got protection from above, and has been able to pursue his violent actions. He was a sort of genius in demolishing people (and then even computers) at a distance. A mind hacker. He was not a bad teacher. I did appreciate him and his teaching very much, despite he told me that there was nothing interesting in Gödel's theorem. He has been also alcoholic for some period, and heavy chain smoker, even in the classroom (that was accepted long ago!). As the logician Maurice Boffa was also a member of the jury of non acceptance, I would like to insist that it was not him. On the contrary, Boffa realized the manipulation and try hard to defend me. Boffa was a real, and notorious mathematical logician, with many important publications. Like Smets, Gochet, VandenBussche, Boelen, and others, he died soon after those events. l Bruno I'm sorry to hear what you went through. It's a nasty business being caught up with a psychopath, if that's what he is. There are obviously lots of ways for a person to end up ultra manipulative and destructive. Non-psychopath destructive profiles are actually a lot worse in some areas. Long term destructive antagonism the hat goes way beyond anything to gain from, done with a smiling face...that's a non-psychopath profile. People destroy eachother's careers like that, usually when they start out friends, then the relationship naturally adjusts the relative seniority due to talent or whatever. Typically the person on the down tries to adjust but struggles, but things kind of fizzle out, normally including the closeness of the relationship. Things go the other way and turn nasty normally when the person on the up commits a competitive slight. Something that on the face of it was perfectly reasonable, but with hindsight was unnecessary.involved piling it on when the relationship was already reversing. Going onto that person's space and competing there for, in hindsight, reasons of euphoria at things going well. The person on the up does nothing wrong but the person on the down takes it very hard. It feels like rubbing salt in the wound. Signals are sent 'why are you doing this? But the other person hasn't thought it through and transmits back a smiling face. Which is misread and taken even harder and the dye is caste. Some people can push someone to commit suicide for lucrative reason, they are not psychopath, but not much more nice than those people would push someone to commit suicide just for their own satisfaction, and which would be my definition of psychopath. Of course the frontier between both might be thin, and when the killing is moral, usually the killer can mask well his intentions. What is sad, and not acceptable, is the corporatist solidarity reflex. It makes the situation lasting, like the the willingness to hide some clergy scandal made the crimes lasting longer, and involving more victims. The basic of a democracy is that laws apply to everyone. The freedom is the freedom of the individuals, not the freedom for corporatism to abstract from the right to the individuals. Bruno
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On Friday, March 14, 2014 4:46:09 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 14 Mar 2014, at 17:08, ghi...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: On Friday, March 7, 2014 8:18:22 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 07 Mar 2014, at 00:05, meekerdb wrote: On 3/6/2014 2:58 PM, Russell Standish wrote: My only comment is that I don't think X's hostility towards Bruno started when he mentioned the question Goedel? in class. That, in itself, should not be sufficient to earn the ire of even the most seasoned of psychopaths. Instead, I suspect the relationship soured badly during Bruno's end-of-studies dissertation, probably because Bruno had an inquiring mind, and X just wanted him to focus on his own research interests (not an uncommon occurrance - I had something similar in my PhD, but without the consequences Bruno faced). Nevertheless, that doesn't excuse X's actions, which remain appalling by anyone's standard. Why so circumspect about the identity of X. With so many mentions it would be easy for anyone to dig up to whom X refers, so why not just use his name? I avoid the name, because I want to avoid complications. I can tell you out-of-line if you ask, and I might once day make public the prosecution files. He is an obscure guy, without any serious publications. Since those events I got phone calls by people who attribute him many suicides, and the facts that he exploits other people by pushing them to do mistake, and then he exploits the pressure (shakedown, blackmail) and things like that. It is harassment by manipulation. He was almost a friend, always nice and funny with me. It took me 20 years to figure out the manipulation. Well, it took me to put that thesis down, as he was forced to make a public move. It is a sort of serial killer, without a trace. Many people were shocked by his behavior, and even more by the fact that he got protection from above, and has been able to pursue his violent actions. He was a sort of genius in demolishing people (and then even computers) at a distance. A mind hacker. He was not a bad teacher. I did appreciate him and his teaching very much, despite he told me that there was nothing interesting in Gödel's theorem. He has been also alcoholic for some period, and heavy chain smoker, even in the classroom (that was accepted long ago!). As the logician Maurice Boffa was also a member of the jury of non acceptance, I would like to insist that it was not him. On the contrary, Boffa realized the manipulation and try hard to defend me. Boffa was a real, and notorious mathematical logician, with many important publications. Like Smets, Gochet, VandenBussche, Boelen, and others, he died soon after those events. l Bruno I'm sorry to hear what you went through. It's a nasty business being caught up with a psychopath, if that's what he is. There are obviously lots of ways for a person to end up ultra manipulative and destructive. Non-psychopath destructive profiles are actually a lot worse in some areas. Long term destructive antagonism the hat goes way beyond anything to gain from, done with a smiling face...that's a non-psychopath profile. People destroy eachother's careers like that, usually when they start out friends, then the relationship naturally adjusts the relative seniority due to talent or whatever. Typically the person on the down tries to adjust but struggles, but things kind of fizzle out, normally including the closeness of the relationship. Things go the other way and turn nasty normally when the person on the up commits a competitive slight. Something that on the face of it was perfectly reasonable, but with hindsight was unnecessary.involved piling it on when the relationship was already reversing. Going onto that person's space and competing there for, in hindsight, reasons of euphoria at things going well. The person on the up does nothing wrong but the person on the down takes it very hard. It feels like rubbing salt in the wound. Signals are sent 'why are you doing this? But the other person hasn't thought it through and transmits back a smiling face. Which is misread and taken even harder and the dye is caste. Some people can push someone to commit suicide for lucrative reason, they are not psychopath, but not much more nice than those people would push someone to commit suicide just for their own satisfaction, and which would be my definition of psychopath. Of course the frontier between both might be thin, and when the killing is moral, usually the killer can mask well his intentions. It's true, and whether the individual is an innate psychopath or not hardly matters in terms of that particular relationship, in which he has locked onto a destruction seeking path. It's effectively a psychopathic 1 on 1 (one way) situation. He's not empathizing. Also, the behaviour can lock in at an earlier time of life, as the
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On Friday, March 14, 2014 6:49:44 PM UTC, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday, March 14, 2014 4:46:09 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 14 Mar 2014, at 17:08, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday, March 7, 2014 8:18:22 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 07 Mar 2014, at 00:05, meekerdb wrote: On 3/6/2014 2:58 PM, Russell Standish wrote: My only comment is that I don't think X's hostility towards Bruno started when he mentioned the question Goedel? in class. That, in itself, should not be sufficient to earn the ire of even the most seasoned of psychopaths. Instead, I suspect the relationship soured badly during Bruno's end-of-studies dissertation, probably because Bruno had an inquiring mind, and X just wanted him to focus on his own research interests (not an uncommon occurrance - I had something similar in my PhD, but without the consequences Bruno faced). Nevertheless, that doesn't excuse X's actions, which remain appalling by anyone's standard. Why so circumspect about the identity of X. With so many mentions it would be easy for anyone to dig up to whom X refers, so why not just use his name? I avoid the name, because I want to avoid complications. I can tell you out-of-line if you ask, and I might once day make public the prosecution files. He is an obscure guy, without any serious publications. Since those events I got phone calls by people who attribute him many suicides, and the facts that he exploits other people by pushing them to do mistake, and then he exploits the pressure (shakedown, blackmail) and things like that. It is harassment by manipulation. He was almost a friend, always nice and funny with me. It took me 20 years to figure out the manipulation. Well, it took me to put that thesis down, as he was forced to make a public move. It is a sort of serial killer, without a trace. Many people were shocked by his behavior, and even more by the fact that he got protection from above, and has been able to pursue his violent actions. He was a sort of genius in demolishing people (and then even computers) at a distance. A mind hacker. He was not a bad teacher. I did appreciate him and his teaching very much, despite he told me that there was nothing interesting in Gödel's theorem. He has been also alcoholic for some period, and heavy chain smoker, even in the classroom (that was accepted long ago!). As the logician Maurice Boffa was also a member of the jury of non acceptance, I would like to insist that it was not him. On the contrary, Boffa realized the manipulation and try hard to defend me. Boffa was a real, and notorious mathematical logician, with many important publications. Like Smets, Gochet, VandenBussche, Boelen, and others, he died soon after those events. l Bruno I'm sorry to hear what you went through. It's a nasty business being caught up with a psychopath, if that's what he is. There are obviously lots of ways for a person to end up ultra manipulative and destructive. Non-psychopath destructive profiles are actually a lot worse in some areas. Long term destructive antagonism the hat goes way beyond anything to gain from, done with a smiling face...that's a non-psychopath profile. People destroy eachother's careers like that, usually when they start out friends, then the relationship naturally adjusts the relative seniority due to talent or whatever. Typically the person on the down tries to adjust but struggles, but things kind of fizzle out, normally including the closeness of the relationship. Things go the other way and turn nasty normally when the person on the up commits a competitive slight. Something that on the face of it was perfectly reasonable, but with hindsight was unnecessary.involved piling it on when the relationship was already reversing. Going onto that person's space and competing there for, in hindsight, reasons of euphoria at things going well. The person on the up does nothing wrong but the person on the down takes it very hard. It feels like rubbing salt in the wound. Signals are sent 'why are you doing this? But the other person hasn't thought it through and transmits back a smiling face. Which is misread and taken even harder and the dye is caste. Some people can push someone to commit suicide for lucrative reason, they are not psychopath, but not much more nice than those people would push someone to commit suicide just for their own satisfaction, and which would be my definition of psychopath. Of course the frontier between both might be thin, and when the killing is moral, usually the killer can mask well his intentions. It's true, and whether the individual is an innate psychopath or not hardly matters in terms of that particular relationship, in which he has locked onto a destruction seeking path. It's effectively a psychopathic 1 on 1 (one way) situation. He's not empathizing.
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On 15 March 2014 08:18, ghib...@gmail.com wrote: If you're a Doctor Who fan, I'm reminded of a scene where the Doctor responds adamantly to a suggested way to deal with a threat by saying you don't understand, I can't do that. I have rules that I live by The other person responds with a slight contempt You can't deal with those who have no rules, with rules. You are a goody goody The Doctor looks back darkly The Good don't need rules As a Dr Who fan I would very much like to know which scene that is! (It reminds me of the have I the right? scene in Genesis of the Daleks in which Sarah Jane Smith tries to persuade the Doctor to stop the Daleks from ever having existed by blowing up an incubation chamber - which curiously enough IS blown up later, but doesn't seem to slow them down overmuch...) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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On 08 Mar 2014, at 12:32, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 10:16 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Bruno, I am shocked and saddened to hear what has been done to you. You have my greatest sympathies. (I too have been susceptible to manipulation, as I am rather shy and awkward in person, so I speak from experience.) Liz, people with rich internal lives tend to come off as shy and awkward. In the end, maybe the manipulators deserve our pity more than anything else. I suspect that most of what they do is out of fear. They are stuck in an existence ruled by status anxiety. I don't envy that... I pity them indeed, especially the victim-accomplices of the manipulator, which are chosen so that they have everything to lose if they recognize the facts. I pity the harasser, but more so all its victims. They know that, and this can only make them hating me more, of course. I gave them hundred of friendly propositions of meeting and discussion, but they never answered. I never met them neither before nor after the facts, except as student many years before, when following their course, and without any problem. Einstein said once that the bad guys are less grave than the cowards who let them do their sinister acts. yet, I understand the cowards, and feel no hate for them. It just makes me sad, especially that it makes possible for very bad people to demolish so many nice people, for so many years. Bruno Have a nice weekend! Telmo. I am very eager to obtain a copy of the Amoeba's Secret, even more than I was before, but I prefer a hard copy to the electronic so I will wait a little longer. I will be telling my friends and acquaintances who I think may have an interest about it too, of course. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 10:16 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Bruno, I am shocked and saddened to hear what has been done to you. You have my greatest sympathies. (I too have been susceptible to manipulation, as I am rather shy and awkward in person, so I speak from experience.) Liz, people with rich internal lives tend to come off as shy and awkward. In the end, maybe the manipulators deserve our pity more than anything else. I suspect that most of what they do is out of fear. They are stuck in an existence ruled by status anxiety. I don't envy that... Have a nice weekend! Telmo. I am very eager to obtain a copy of the Amoeba's Secret, even more than I was before, but I prefer a hard copy to the electronic so I will wait a little longer. I will be telling my friends and acquaintances who I think may have an interest about it too, of course. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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On 9 March 2014 00:32, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 10:16 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Bruno, I am shocked and saddened to hear what has been done to you. You have my greatest sympathies. (I too have been susceptible to manipulation, as I am rather shy and awkward in person, so I speak from experience.) Liz, people with rich internal lives tend to come off as shy and awkward. In the end, maybe the manipulators deserve our pity more than anything else. I suspect that most of what they do is out of fear. They are stuck in an existence ruled by status anxiety. I don't envy that... Fear and envy, yes. I have never envied them. Have a nice weekend! You too. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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On 07 Mar 2014, at 00:05, meekerdb wrote: On 3/6/2014 2:58 PM, Russell Standish wrote: My only comment is that I don't think X's hostility towards Bruno started when he mentioned the question Goedel? in class. That, in itself, should not be sufficient to earn the ire of even the most seasoned of psychopaths. Instead, I suspect the relationship soured badly during Bruno's end-of-studies dissertation, probably because Bruno had an inquiring mind, and X just wanted him to focus on his own research interests (not an uncommon occurrance - I had something similar in my PhD, but without the consequences Bruno faced). Nevertheless, that doesn't excuse X's actions, which remain appalling by anyone's standard. Why so circumspect about the identity of X. With so many mentions it would be easy for anyone to dig up to whom X refers, so why not just use his name? I avoid the name, because I want to avoid complications. I can tell you out-of-line if you ask, and I might once day make public the prosecution files. He is an obscure guy, without any serious publications. Since those events I got phone calls by people who attribute him many suicides, and the facts that he exploits other people by pushing them to do mistake, and then he exploits the pressure (shakedown, blackmail) and things like that. It is harassment by manipulation. He was almost a friend, always nice and funny with me. It took me 20 years to figure out the manipulation. Well, it took me to put that thesis down, as he was forced to make a public move. It is a sort of serial killer, without a trace. Many people were shocked by his behavior, and even more by the fact that he got protection from above, and has been able to pursue his violent actions. He was a sort of genius in demolishing people (and then even computers) at a distance. A mind hacker. He was not a bad teacher. I did appreciate him and his teaching very much, despite he told me that there was nothing interesting in Gödel's theorem. He has been also alcoholic for some period, and heavy chain smoker, even in the classroom (that was accepted long ago!). As the logician Maurice Boffa was also a member of the jury of non acceptance, I would like to insist that it was not him. On the contrary, Boffa realized the manipulation and try hard to defend me. Boffa was a real, and notorious mathematical logician, with many important publications. Like Smets, Gochet, VandenBussche, Boelen, and others, he died soon after those events. Bruno Brent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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On 07 Mar 2014, at 00:06, Edgar L. Owen wrote: Russell, Are you telling me only a single person, Bruno's advisor, was the judge of whether Bruno's paper should be awarded the prize? And that single person first approved it and then rejected it when he had some dispute with Bruno? That sounds quite strange to me. Normally it would be a whole panel of judges to approve it, and the whole panel to reject it. All jury confronted with my thesis has been enthusiast, and apparently get the point. Even the Brussels jury. The problem has never come from any scientist, nor any member of a jury, with the exception of the literary philosopher in Brussel's jury. I did get the prize (the picture in the journal, the champaign, but the publication of the thesis, and then if the amoeba's secret where delayed, without any explanation. Bruno On Thursday, March 6, 2014 5:58:55 PM UTC-5, Russell Standish wrote: On Thu, Mar 06, 2014 at 06:15:14AM -0800, Edgar L. Owen wrote: Ghibbsa and Bruno, Yes, a fair question. Apparently the committee decided Bruno's paper didn't really deserve the prize. Why was that? Some internal math error discovered? Some inconsistency with other math theory? Or just unwarranted assumptions and conclusions about its application to the real universe? If it were any of these, then Le Monde would publish a formal retraction, which would indicate that the prize was awarded, and then subsequently withdrawn, along with the reasons for the withdrawal. Instead, the award to Bruno Marchal is not mentioned at all: http://www.lemonde.fr/kiosque/recherche/laureats/prix-recherche-laureats.html I also don't rule out politics, but if the theory is clear and logical usually politics itself won't be able to trump that. Exactly. Even if you don't believe Bruno about being awarded le Prix Le Monde, it shouldn't matter, as whether or not he was awarded a prize makes no difference as to whether his ideas are correct. To argues otherwise is the fallacious argument from authority. Nevertheless, the Wayback Machine has kept a copy of the original lists of Laureats, as it appeared on 9th of August 2001: http://web.archive.org/web/20010809221720/http://www.lemonde.fr/mde/prix/janv99.html I think Bruno is correct that something nefarious occurred. So Bruno, can you give us both your side of the story and a link to the other side as well so we can independently judge why the prize for your theory's paper was revoked? Thanks, Edgar The other side of the story has never been made public. You can read all about Bruno's side of the story in The Amoeba's Secret, now in English for the first time. My only comment is that I don't think X's hostility towards Bruno started when he mentioned the question Goedel? in class. That, in itself, should not be sufficient to earn the ire of even the most seasoned of psychopaths. Instead, I suspect the relationship soured badly during Bruno's end-of-studies dissertation, probably because Bruno had an inquiring mind, and X just wanted him to focus on his own research interests (not an uncommon occurrance - I had something similar in my PhD, but without the consequences Bruno faced). Nevertheless, that doesn't excuse X's actions, which remain appalling by anyone's standard. As to what actually happened with le Prix Le Monde - its possible nobody will ever know. All we have are Bruno's suspicions. -- Prof Russell Standish Phone 0425 253119 (mobile) Principal, High Performance Coders Visiting Professor of Mathematics hpc...@hpcoders.com.au University of New South Wales http://www.hpcoders.com.au -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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Dear Bruno, I am shocked and saddened to hear what has been done to you. You have my greatest sympathies. (I too have been susceptible to manipulation, as I am rather shy and awkward in person, so I speak from experience.) I am very eager to obtain a copy of the Amoeba's Secret, even more than I was before, but I prefer a hard copy to the electronic so I will wait a little longer. I will be telling my friends and acquaintances who I think may have an interest about it too, of course. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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On 07 Mar 2014, at 10:16, LizR wrote: Dear Bruno, I am shocked and saddened to hear what has been done to you. You have my greatest sympathies. Thanks Liz. Actually I think we are all victims of this sad and so much contingent happening. Without it, perhaps I would have published more early, and that work would be better known and perhaps already refuted, and I would not be here torturing you with those exercises in modal logic and self-reference. Or it would be confirmed, and you would take my word for granted, or you would have already studied it, and in that case, I would again not force you into those arcane logic exercises right now. Or like I said, I would have been a mathematical logician, and would not yet find the time to come back to my real interest, and that too would have prevented me to convince you to do logic. Well, we never know. I guess those things are like that in some alternate reality. (I too have been susceptible to manipulation, as I am rather shy and awkward in person, so I speak from experience.) You have my sympathy. It is alas very frequent. In Belgium, I read a report according to which moral harassment is a plea, with 1/20 of the population direct victim of it. Of course there are different degrees. I am very eager to obtain a copy of the Amoeba's Secret, even more than I was before, but I prefer a hard copy to the electronic so I will wait a little longer. I will be telling my friends and acquaintances who I think may have an interest about it too, of course. Thanks, kind regards, Bruno -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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On Friday, March 7, 2014 2:38:03 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 07 Mar 2014, at 10:16, LizR wrote: Dear Bruno, I am shocked and saddened to hear what has been done to you. You have my greatest sympathies. Thanks Liz. Actually I think we are all victims of this sad and so much contingent happening. Without it, perhaps I would have published more early, and that work would be better known and perhaps already refuted, and I would not be here torturing you with those exercises in modal logic and self-reference. Or it would be confirmed, and you would take my word for granted, or you would have already studied it, and in that case, I would again not force you into those arcane logic exercises right now. Or like I said, I would have been a mathematical logician, and would not yet find the time to come back to my real interest, and that too would have prevented me to convince you to do logic. Well, we never know. I guess those things are like that in some alternate reality. (I too have been susceptible to manipulation, as I am rather shy and awkward in person, so I speak from experience.) You have my sympathy. It is alas very frequent. In Belgium, I read a report according to which moral harassment is a plea, with 1/20 of the population direct victim of it. Of course there are different degrees. I am very eager to obtain a copy of the Amoeba's Secret, even more than I was before, but I prefer a hard copy to the electronic so I will wait a little longer. I will be telling my friends and acquaintances who I think may have an interest about it too, of course. Thanks, kind regards, Bruno Well I shall certainly be reading your book which I just browsed. So kind that Russel translated for you. Kim Too, editing. my two comments from the sample chapter is I knew fear was in this somewhere (of death). And too much amoeba talk. If you want to gas on about amoeba's name your book something more appropriate. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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Dear Russel and Kim, I remember fondly when the translation of Bruno's thesis was being discussed. I am very happy to see the results of your hard work. Thank you for doing this! I will be buying a copy of it asap. :-) On Tuesday, March 4, 2014 1:43:05 AM UTC-5, Russell Standish wrote: Hi everyone, Just want to let everyone know that the English translation of Buno Marchal's The Amoeba's Secret is now available from Amazon's Kindle store. See http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00IRLEKPA The Amoeba's Secret was written when Bruno received the prestigious Prix Le Monde de la Recherche Universitaire for his PhD thesis, only for the prize to be mysteriously revoked, and the book not published. The original French version exists only as a manuscript available from Bruno's website. The Amoeba's Secret remains one of clearest explanations of Bruno's UDA and AUDA arguments, and provides a lot of historical background motivating him to formulate and study these issues in this way. Now, after about 4 years of effort, Kim Jones and I have finally finished the translation of this book into English. For those of you who prefer their books hard, the paperback version will probably be available towards the end of March. I need to see a physical copy of what Amazon produces before approving it for general sale. I have jigged things so that hard copy purchases are entitled to a free Kindle version fo the book, so you can have the best of both worlds. Cheers -- Prof Russell Standish Phone 0425 253119 (mobile) Principal, High Performance Coders Visiting Professor of Mathematics hpc...@hpcoders.com.aujavascript: University of New South Wales http://www.hpcoders.com.au -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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Ghibbsa and Bruno, Yes, a fair question. Apparently the committee decided Bruno's paper didn't really deserve the prize. Why was that? Some internal math error discovered? Some inconsistency with other math theory? Or just unwarranted assumptions and conclusions about its application to the real universe? I also don't rule out politics, but if the theory is clear and logical usually politics itself won't be able to trump that. So Bruno, can you give us both your side of the story and a link to the other side as well so we can independently judge why the prize for your theory's paper was revoked? Thanks, Edgar On Wednesday, March 5, 2014 4:29:46 PM UTC-5, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday, March 4, 2014 8:40:36 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: Many thanks, Russell. Many thanks, Kim. Best, Bruno Is it ok to ask why the prize got revoked? Some kind of politics? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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On 05 Mar 2014, at 22:29, ghib...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday, March 4, 2014 8:40:36 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: Many thanks, Russell. Many thanks, Kim. Best, Bruno Is it ok to ask why the prize got revoked? Some kind of politics? It is OK, to ask, but it is delicate. But it is, partially, the content of two chapters of the amoeba's secret. Very shortly. From 1973 to 1977 I have been manipulated by a psychopath. The result being that I will be happy teaching mathematics in high school, to earn my life, and doing research as a hobby, but still attending course, conferences, and doing a lot of conferences, also, and eventually Professor Gochet, a logician will push me to publish and I will publish Informatique théorique et philosophie de l'esprit, which contains a preliminary version of the universal dovetailer argument (abridged for reason of place), explaining the first person indeterminacy (FPI), the Movie Graph Paradox, and then the main idea of AUDA, that is, how the Dx =xx method enable us to study the logic of the 3p reference, and the 1p reference, although at that time I was still missing the Theaetetus idea. That was published in 1988, in Toulouse, France. I exposed it publicly in 1987, where I will meet Dennett, and that was at the time of its brainstorms book (my favorite), and Mind's I, which is the book coming the closest to comp. A new edition should contain some passage from Galouye, and matrix or the prestige. Well, similar circumstances will make me engaged, to teach modal logic, to a group of people (IRIDIA) interested in Artificial Intelligence. The psychopath succeeded in making believe everyone that I was mad, so my own much previous attempt to create a AI lab were just seen as confirmation that I was mad or crackpot. So when I was hired in that lab, the department of mathematics will send bullet on IRIDIA. Then Smets, the creator of IRIDIA, will make pressure on me to make a PhD thesis, and it is indeed through the search of modal system for Smets belief theory that I will give some faith to the deontic axiom ([]A - A). Then I will put down the thesis, but I said to Smets that it would be better the psychopath would not be, well, even close to a jury. That was delicate, if not impossible. Smets and everybody thought I was paranoiac. Eventually I put it down. November 1994. Quickly, I got the jury, basically the psychopath and friends (victim accomplices). After month of discussion, smets seem thinking that things go right as he was invited to a meeting to discuss the extension of the jury, including more experts with a fair choice between him and the mathematicians. That was a trap. The meeting was the, normally formal, decision of receivability, that is a pre-defense formal decision, quasi administrative, and they will decide by vote of experts, that is even before hearing me even for a minute. They will justify that in a not that bad report, as all experts recognize not seeing any flaw, but a literary philosopher was not convinced. (?). I will defend without problem the thesis elsewhere (Lille), a bit later due to things of life type of thing. It is a thesis in computer science, and I will got the best grade, and people were enthusiast about this, and indeed I will get that prize about eight month after the defense, as it is an annual prize for the best thesis in the french community. It is not a scientific prize, but the jury contained scientists (mathematicians, computer scientists). But then, those of Le Monde and Grasset told me rewrite it and explain the story somehow. That was delicate, it is still is, but again, why should I not trust them, and I will write it chapters by chapters asking them if that was OK, and, after some time they get the manuscript, but nothing will happen, except that Grasset will abandon that contract with le prix Le Monde, I will still be reassured that there were just late for some reason, but then nothing, not even the money, nothing. In 2009, I get eliminated from the list of laureates on the 1998 year on the net, which make me decide to prosecute the psychopath and some of its accomplice victims, just for the peace of my conscience. A guy in Paris was asked to attribute the FPI to someone else, so for a time in Paris, it was not really the FPI which was the problem. The guy was honest and changes the subject, or related it only to QM. Then the disastrous meeting of the ASSC, in Brussels, pfft, I don't want to talk on this right now ... I am partially faulty as I don't submit paper, but I continue to oblige when asked. There is a gap between logicians and physicists, the subject matter is difficult, but here the little history has not helped. In a context where the bigger history (1500 years of authoritative aristotelianism) is not that more helpful. At least someone like John Clark tries to
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Informatique théorique et philosophie de l'esprit Information Theory of Spirits (mistranslation intended) My Aristotelian take: From Leibniz Discourse, http://www.webpages.uidaho.edu/mickelsen/texts/leibniz%20-%20discourse%20on%20metaphysics.htm XXXV: The excellence of spirits; that God considers them preferable to other creatures; that the spirits express God rather than the world, while other simple substances express the world rather than God. My candidate for 'spirits' from the perspective of 'string theory' is the chargeless Flux that winds through the 500 topo holes in each Calabi-Yau compact-manifold particle of space. That Flux caused Dimensional Compactification : The Flux caused 3 dimensions of space and one dimension of time to inflate as a unified spacetime; by precipitating 6 dimensional CY particles out of that spacetime. That is, the Flux curled-up 6 dimensions into particles of 1000-Planck-scale size (standard 'conservation of dimensions' in superstring theory). On the visible plane the Flux became expressed in the world as ordinary EM fields. Liebniz 'Principle of Continuity' applies to photons, EM fields, Hyper-Flux and Spirits. (Actually Leibniz applied this principle to everything). That Flux glues together both the physical (1) simple substances that express the world (trees, rocks humans), (2) and the spiritual: the CY space particles that express God. Being a BEC (Bose-Einstein Condensate), the CY particles can be entangled with and communicate with any other BEC. It follows that God is a BEC. Richard ps: i see much of liebniz in string theory. is that of interest? too aristotelian? comp compatible? On 3/6/14, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 05 Mar 2014, at 22:29, ghib...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday, March 4, 2014 8:40:36 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: Many thanks, Russell. Many thanks, Kim. Best, Bruno Is it ok to ask why the prize got revoked? Some kind of politics? It is OK, to ask, but it is delicate. But it is, partially, the content of two chapters of the amoeba's secret. Very shortly. From 1973 to 1977 I have been manipulated by a psychopath. The result being that I will be happy teaching mathematics in high school, to earn my life, and doing research as a hobby, but still attending course, conferences, and doing a lot of conferences, also, and eventually Professor Gochet, a logician will push me to publish and I will publish Informatique théorique et philosophie de l'esprit, which contains a preliminary version of the universal dovetailer argument (abridged for reason of place), explaining the first person indeterminacy (FPI), the Movie Graph Paradox, and then the main idea of AUDA, that is, how the Dx =xx method enable us to study the logic of the 3p reference, and the 1p reference, although at that time I was still missing the Theaetetus idea. That was published in 1988, in Toulouse, France. I exposed it publicly in 1987, where I will meet Dennett, and that was at the time of its brainstorms book (my favorite), and Mind's I, which is the book coming the closest to comp. A new edition should contain some passage from Galouye, and matrix or the prestige. Well, similar circumstances will make me engaged, to teach modal logic, to a group of people (IRIDIA) interested in Artificial Intelligence. The psychopath succeeded in making believe everyone that I was mad, so my own much previous attempt to create a AI lab were just seen as confirmation that I was mad or crackpot. So when I was hired in that lab, the department of mathematics will send bullet on IRIDIA. Then Smets, the creator of IRIDIA, will make pressure on me to make a PhD thesis, and it is indeed through the search of modal system for Smets belief theory that I will give some faith to the deontic axiom ([]A - A). Then I will put down the thesis, but I said to Smets that it would be better the psychopath would not be, well, even close to a jury. That was delicate, if not impossible. Smets and everybody thought I was paranoiac. Eventually I put it down. November 1994. Quickly, I got the jury, basically the psychopath and friends (victim accomplices). After month of discussion, smets seem thinking that things go right as he was invited to a meeting to discuss the extension of the jury, including more experts with a fair choice between him and the mathematicians. That was a trap. The meeting was the, normally formal, decision of receivability, that is a pre-defense formal decision, quasi administrative, and they will decide by vote of experts, that is even before hearing me even for a minute. They will justify that in a not that bad report, as all experts recognize not seeing any flaw, but a literary philosopher was not convinced. (?). I will defend without problem the thesis elsewhere (Lille), a bit later due to things of life type of thing. It is a thesis in computer science, and I will got the best grade, and people were
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On Thu, Mar 06, 2014 at 06:15:14AM -0800, Edgar L. Owen wrote: Ghibbsa and Bruno, Yes, a fair question. Apparently the committee decided Bruno's paper didn't really deserve the prize. Why was that? Some internal math error discovered? Some inconsistency with other math theory? Or just unwarranted assumptions and conclusions about its application to the real universe? If it were any of these, then Le Monde would publish a formal retraction, which would indicate that the prize was awarded, and then subsequently withdrawn, along with the reasons for the withdrawal. Instead, the award to Bruno Marchal is not mentioned at all: http://www.lemonde.fr/kiosque/recherche/laureats/prix-recherche-laureats.html I also don't rule out politics, but if the theory is clear and logical usually politics itself won't be able to trump that. Exactly. Even if you don't believe Bruno about being awarded le Prix Le Monde, it shouldn't matter, as whether or not he was awarded a prize makes no difference as to whether his ideas are correct. To argues otherwise is the fallacious argument from authority. Nevertheless, the Wayback Machine has kept a copy of the original lists of Laureats, as it appeared on 9th of August 2001: http://web.archive.org/web/20010809221720/http://www.lemonde.fr/mde/prix/janv99.html I think Bruno is correct that something nefarious occurred. So Bruno, can you give us both your side of the story and a link to the other side as well so we can independently judge why the prize for your theory's paper was revoked? Thanks, Edgar The other side of the story has never been made public. You can read all about Bruno's side of the story in The Amoeba's Secret, now in English for the first time. My only comment is that I don't think X's hostility towards Bruno started when he mentioned the question Goedel? in class. That, in itself, should not be sufficient to earn the ire of even the most seasoned of psychopaths. Instead, I suspect the relationship soured badly during Bruno's end-of-studies dissertation, probably because Bruno had an inquiring mind, and X just wanted him to focus on his own research interests (not an uncommon occurrance - I had something similar in my PhD, but without the consequences Bruno faced). Nevertheless, that doesn't excuse X's actions, which remain appalling by anyone's standard. As to what actually happened with le Prix Le Monde - its possible nobody will ever know. All we have are Bruno's suspicions. -- Prof Russell Standish Phone 0425 253119 (mobile) Principal, High Performance Coders Visiting Professor of Mathematics hpco...@hpcoders.com.au University of New South Wales http://www.hpcoders.com.au -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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On 3/6/2014 2:58 PM, Russell Standish wrote: My only comment is that I don't think X's hostility towards Bruno started when he mentioned the question Goedel? in class. That, in itself, should not be sufficient to earn the ire of even the most seasoned of psychopaths. Instead, I suspect the relationship soured badly during Bruno's end-of-studies dissertation, probably because Bruno had an inquiring mind, and X just wanted him to focus on his own research interests (not an uncommon occurrance - I had something similar in my PhD, but without the consequences Bruno faced). Nevertheless, that doesn't excuse X's actions, which remain appalling by anyone's standard. Why so circumspect about the identity of X. With so many mentions it would be easy for anyone to dig up to whom X refers, so why not just use his name? Brent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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Russell, Are you telling me only a single person, Bruno's advisor, was the judge of whether Bruno's paper should be awarded the prize? And that single person first approved it and then rejected it when he had some dispute with Bruno? That sounds quite strange to me. Normally it would be a whole panel of judges to approve it, and the whole panel to reject it. Edgar On Thursday, March 6, 2014 5:58:55 PM UTC-5, Russell Standish wrote: On Thu, Mar 06, 2014 at 06:15:14AM -0800, Edgar L. Owen wrote: Ghibbsa and Bruno, Yes, a fair question. Apparently the committee decided Bruno's paper didn't really deserve the prize. Why was that? Some internal math error discovered? Some inconsistency with other math theory? Or just unwarranted assumptions and conclusions about its application to the real universe? If it were any of these, then Le Monde would publish a formal retraction, which would indicate that the prize was awarded, and then subsequently withdrawn, along with the reasons for the withdrawal. Instead, the award to Bruno Marchal is not mentioned at all: http://www.lemonde.fr/kiosque/recherche/laureats/prix-recherche-laureats.html I also don't rule out politics, but if the theory is clear and logical usually politics itself won't be able to trump that. Exactly. Even if you don't believe Bruno about being awarded le Prix Le Monde, it shouldn't matter, as whether or not he was awarded a prize makes no difference as to whether his ideas are correct. To argues otherwise is the fallacious argument from authority. Nevertheless, the Wayback Machine has kept a copy of the original lists of Laureats, as it appeared on 9th of August 2001: http://web.archive.org/web/20010809221720/http://www.lemonde.fr/mde/prix/janv99.html I think Bruno is correct that something nefarious occurred. So Bruno, can you give us both your side of the story and a link to the other side as well so we can independently judge why the prize for your theory's paper was revoked? Thanks, Edgar The other side of the story has never been made public. You can read all about Bruno's side of the story in The Amoeba's Secret, now in English for the first time. My only comment is that I don't think X's hostility towards Bruno started when he mentioned the question Goedel? in class. That, in itself, should not be sufficient to earn the ire of even the most seasoned of psychopaths. Instead, I suspect the relationship soured badly during Bruno's end-of-studies dissertation, probably because Bruno had an inquiring mind, and X just wanted him to focus on his own research interests (not an uncommon occurrance - I had something similar in my PhD, but without the consequences Bruno faced). Nevertheless, that doesn't excuse X's actions, which remain appalling by anyone's standard. As to what actually happened with le Prix Le Monde - its possible nobody will ever know. All we have are Bruno's suspicions. -- Prof Russell Standish Phone 0425 253119 (mobile) Principal, High Performance Coders Visiting Professor of Mathematics hpc...@hpcoders.com.aujavascript: University of New South Wales http://www.hpcoders.com.au -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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On Thu, Mar 06, 2014 at 03:05:42PM -0800, meekerdb wrote: On 3/6/2014 2:58 PM, Russell Standish wrote: My only comment is that I don't think X's hostility towards Bruno started when he mentioned the question Goedel? in class. That, in itself, should not be sufficient to earn the ire of even the most seasoned of psychopaths. Instead, I suspect the relationship soured badly during Bruno's end-of-studies dissertation, probably because Bruno had an inquiring mind, and X just wanted him to focus on his own research interests (not an uncommon occurrance - I had something similar in my PhD, but without the consequences Bruno faced). Nevertheless, that doesn't excuse X's actions, which remain appalling by anyone's standard. Why so circumspect about the identity of X. With so many mentions it would be easy for anyone to dig up to whom X refers, so why not just use his name? Brent Bruno has his reasons for being circumspect about X's identity, and I respect those. However, he is not anyone of major note in the academic community, barely appearing in Google searches, for example. Cheers -- Prof Russell Standish Phone 0425 253119 (mobile) Principal, High Performance Coders Visiting Professor of Mathematics hpco...@hpcoders.com.au University of New South Wales http://www.hpcoders.com.au -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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On Tuesday, March 4, 2014 8:40:36 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: Many thanks, Russell. Many thanks, Kim. Best, Bruno Is it ok to ask why the prize got revoked? Some kind of politics? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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Many thanks, Russell. Many thanks, Kim. Best, Bruno On 04 Mar 2014, at 07:43, Russell Standish wrote: Hi everyone, Just want to let everyone know that the English translation of Buno Marchal's The Amoeba's Secret is now available from Amazon's Kindle store. See http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00IRLEKPA The Amoeba's Secret was written when Bruno received the prestigious Prix Le Monde de la Recherche Universitaire for his PhD thesis, only for the prize to be mysteriously revoked, and the book not published. The original French version exists only as a manuscript available from Bruno's website. The Amoeba's Secret remains one of clearest explanations of Bruno's UDA and AUDA arguments, and provides a lot of historical background motivating him to formulate and study these issues in this way. Now, after about 4 years of effort, Kim Jones and I have finally finished the translation of this book into English. For those of you who prefer their books hard, the paperback version will probably be available towards the end of March. I need to see a physical copy of what Amazon produces before approving it for general sale. I have jigged things so that hard copy purchases are entitled to a free Kindle version fo the book, so you can have the best of both worlds. Cheers -- Prof Russell Standish Phone 0425 253119 (mobile) Principal, High Performance Coders Visiting Professor of Mathematics hpco...@hpcoders.com.au University of New South Wales http://www.hpcoders.com.au -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
