On 11 Jul 2011, at 19:56, meekerdb wrote:
On 7/10/2011 8:16 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
You confuse perhaps with Schmidhuber's position, or some digital
physicist (DP). But as I have explained many times here that this
position does not work. Computationalism or digital mechanism (DM)
is the
On 13 Jul 2011, at 20:21, meekerdb wrote:
On 7/13/2011 3:03 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 13 Jul 2011, at 10:28, Kim Jones wrote:
What does the pronoun "its" refer to in this sentence? The UD or
the universe? How can something be the result of a process going
through it? It has to exist al
On 7/13/2011 3:03 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 13 Jul 2011, at 10:28, Kim Jones wrote:
What does the pronoun "its" refer to in this sentence? The UD or the
universe? How can something be the result of a process going through
it? It has to exist already before anything can "go through it".
Doe
On 7/13/2011 2:40 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
The universe as such does not exist. The mind of an observer can be
captured by a computational state.
How is a computational state defined? We're talking about a Turing
machine; so does the state include the state of the machine plus what's
on t
On 13 Jul 2011, at 10:28, Kim Jones wrote:
What does the pronoun "its" refer to in this sentence? The UD or the
universe? How can something be the result of a process going through
it? It has to exist already before anything can "go through it".
Doesn't it? Could either Quentin or Bruno pl
The universe as such does not exist. The mind of an observer can be captured
by a computational state. A computational state is reached by an infinity of
computations.
The universe appearance (to the observer mind) is the result of this
infinity of computations that interfere, because you superven
What does the pronoun "its" refer to in this sentence? The UD or the universe?
How can something be the result of a process going through it? It has to exist
already before anything can "go through it". Doesn't it? Could either Quentin
or Bruno please render this thought in French, please? I wil
On 11 Jul 2011, at 20:08, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
2011/7/11 meekerdb
On 7/10/2011 8:16 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
You confuse perhaps with Schmidhuber's position, or some digital
physicist (DP). But as I have explained many times here that this
position does not work. Computationalism or di
2011/7/11 meekerdb
> On 7/10/2011 8:16 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
>
>> You confuse perhaps with Schmidhuber's position, or some digital physicist
>> (DP). But as I have explained many times here that this position does not
>> work. Computationalism or digital mechanism (DM) is the idea that "I" am
On 7/10/2011 8:16 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
You confuse perhaps with Schmidhuber's position, or some digital
physicist (DP). But as I have explained many times here that this
position does not work. Computationalism or digital mechanism (DM) is
the idea that "I" am a machine, and by the first pe
On 11 Jul 2011, at 02:55, Colin Geoffrey Hales wrote:
I'm sorry Bruno, but you are so intractably mired in your own
presuppositions that you'll never get this.
Rhetoric.
Clearly you have never been
roughly and uncompromisingly educated by the natural world, as I
have as
an engineer.
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On 10 Jul 2011, at 09:37, Colin Geoffrey Hales
On 10 Jul 2011, at 09:37, Colin Geoffrey Hales wrote:
Hi Bruno et.al.
Once again we have come to grief on the old conflation.
(A) You speak of a universe _AS_ computation (described _as if_ on
some
abstract mega-turing machine)
You confuse perhaps with Schmidhuber's position, or some dig
Hi Bruno et.al.
Once again we have come to grief on the old conflation.
(A) You speak of a universe _AS_ computation (described _as if_ on some
abstract mega-turing machine)
(B) I speak of computation _OF_ laws of nature, by a computer made of
natural material, where the laws of nature are tho
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