Re: How did he get his information?
Le 03-juil.-05, à 06:55, Stephen Paul King a écrit : Charlatan, maybe... I have discovered that *many* scientist can be serious in a field and very bad or even charlatan in another field. It is certainly a reason to be skeptic of all authoritative arguments. Bruno http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/
Re: How did he get his information?
Bruno, Stathis et al, What you say is clearly true. It's as though expertise in one field convinces some people, often those in charge surrounded by sycophants, that anything they say must be true. This is deplorable because these aberrant statements undermine all the true statements they have made. Just because Einstein or Marchal or Samish says it's so doesn't make it so. That's hard to accept. That means that everything I'm told I have to personally reason through in order to accept it - I can't accept things at face value - if I do I make mistakes. (I make mistakes in any case, but try to minimize them!) I hope that contributors to this list will keep this in mind. If you want to convince me of something, please make your argument convincing - include references, avoid jargon. I can't accept it just because you say so. Norman ~~~ - Original Message - From: Bruno Marchal [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Stephen Paul King [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: everything-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, July 04, 2005 1:23 AM Subject: Re: How did he get his information? Le 03-juil.-05, à 06:55, Stephen Paul King a écrit : Charlatan, maybe... I have discovered that *many* scientist can be serious in a field and very bad or even charlatan in another field. It is certainly a reason to be skeptic of all authoritative arguments. Bruno http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/
Re: How did he get his information?
Hi Bruno, I agree. It is as if being very skilled in one field leads a person to the belief that they are infallible in any other. I have seen books that discuss this... Most of all, your point about arguments from authority must not be missed! ;-) Stephen - Original Message - From: Bruno Marchal [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Stephen Paul King [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: everything-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, July 04, 2005 4:23 AM Subject: Re: How did he get his information? Le 03-juil.-05, à 06:55, Stephen Paul King a écrit : Charlatan, maybe... I have discovered that *many* scientist can be serious in a field and very bad or even charlatan in another field. It is certainly a reason to be skeptic of all authoritative arguments. Bruno http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/
RE: How did he get his information?
Dr. Baldev isn't just a cosmologist. According to the following article, he has also applied his genius to the question of life on Mars: http://internationalreporter.com/news/read.php?id=615 quote- Dr. Raj Baldev said, There is a vast area in Mars, where the availability of water was very much there and it can still be found under certain rocks. When water was there in Mars, there was a definite life; small insects, reptiles and fishes were the natural life, fishes used to live in small, medium and big lakes. There were no seas or oceans on Mars, only lakes were available, where the river used to end their journey by dropping water, particularly in the big lakes. Dr. Baldev said. -endquote Where a lesser scientist might have said that there were fish on Mars and leave it at that, Dr. Baldev has been able to figure out that the fishes used to live in small, medium and big lakes. It's that sort of detail that distinguishes the great from the merely good! --Stathis Papaioannou _ Have fun with your mobile! Ringtones, wallpapers, games and more. http://fun.mobiledownloads.com.au/191191/index.wl
Re: How did he get his information?
Hi Norman, Who gave this guy a Doctorate? That webpage appears to be merely an advertisement for a book. I think that your question is more important that the ramblings of Dr. Raj! How does anyone get information? Does the acquisition of information always take some form of work? Stephen - Original Message - From: Norman Samish [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: everything-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 11:49 AM Subject: How did he get his information? Dr. Raj Baldev has explained the history of over 1 trillion 250,000 billion years before the Big Bang. . . Read more at http://internationalreporter.com/news/read.php?id=641
RE: How did he get his information?
Stephen writes Hi Norman, Who gave this guy a Doctorate? That webpage appears to be merely an advertisement for a book. I think that your question is more important that the ramblings of Dr. Raj! I read the page and was pretty dubious myself, although I don't have the balls to say what Stephen did. From this page: Dr. Raj Baldev said in his book that Black Holes suck and destroy the material on one hand, recycles it and then ejects the material so violently in the space that they ultimately form stars and planets therefrom. After about 9 months from the release of the book of Dr. Raj Baldev, Stephen Hawking, one of the noted authorities on Black Hole changed his idea about the Black Hole. Hawking was of the firm opinion that nothing could escape from the Black Hole, not even light and nothing could come out of it. But in July 2004, at 17th International Conference on General Relativity and Gravitation in Dublin, he admitted his mistake that he was wrong for thirty years. Hawking wrong about nothing could escape black holes? Has the writer never heard of Hawking radiation? Hawking began writing about black holes evaporating as far back as the 1970s. Was it not the result of Dr. Raj Baldev's new hypothesis on Black Hole? No. Since Hawking did not mention the credit of his changing mind in his new research, the lawyer of the Publisher of the book of Dr. Raj Baldev served upon a legal notice on Stephen Hawking, on which he offered no comments. This issue remained on net for about a year, which the author ignored and decided not to move the court keeping in view his personal respect for Stephen Hawking. Well, why isn't there (if this is the case) a lot of condemnation on the net of Dr. Baldev? I hope that it is not out of sensitivity to his and his supporters' feelings. Also, I can't help but wonder if Dr. Baldev isn't trying to justify the Hindu theories that examine ages of the universe far, far greater than mere billions of years. How does anyone get information? Does the acquisition of information always take some form of work? It would indeed seem to me that if System A obtains information (from outside System A), then work must be performed. That is, I lack the imagination or the knowledge to see how in the simplest case I can think of, a traveling photon that crosses the boundary of System A and leaves a record can do no work. Lee Stephen - Original Message - From: Norman Samish [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: everything-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 11:49 AM Subject: How did he get his information? Dr. Raj Baldev has explained the history of over 1 trillion 250,000 billion years before the Big Bang. . . Read more at http://internationalreporter.com/news/read.php?id=641
RE: How did he get his information?
After about 9 months from the release of the book of Dr. Raj Baldev, Stephen Hawking, one of the noted authorities on Black Hole changed his idea about the Black Hole. Hawking was of the firm opinion that nothing could escape from the Black Hole, not even light and nothing could come out of it. But in July 2004, at 17th International Conference on General Relativity and Gravitation in Dublin, he admitted his mistake that he was wrong for thirty years. Hawking wrong about nothing could escape black holes? Has the writer never heard of Hawking radiation? Hawking began writing about black holes evaporating as far back as the 1970s. I think he's talking about Hawking changing his mind as to whether information can escape from black holes. Hawking always said radiation can escape, but believed all information was destroyed. He changed his mind about that. The above quote is pure bovine excrement. Baldev probably got his doctorate in farming technology. Jonathan Colvin
Re: How did he get his information?
Lee, Stephen, Stathis, Jonathan, Thanks for your illuminating responses. I went to http://internationalreporter.com/news/read.php?id=641 and left a message telling them that I objected to the slur on Hawking, and that I thought Dr. Baldev was a charlatan. I also rated the article as Bad, the worst available rating. Somebody responded with thanks. In addition to their gratitude, I noticed that my Bad rating of the article had been magically transformed into Good. Norman - Original Message - From: Jonathan Colvin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: everything-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 8:59 PM Subject: RE: How did he get his information? After about 9 months from the release of the book of Dr. Raj Baldev, Stephen Hawking, one of the noted authorities on Black Hole changed his idea about the Black Hole. Hawking was of the firm opinion that nothing could escape from the Black Hole, not even light and nothing could come out of it. But in July 2004, at 17th International Conference on General Relativity and Gravitation in Dublin, he admitted his mistake that he was wrong for thirty years. Hawking wrong about nothing could escape black holes? Has the writer never heard of Hawking radiation? Hawking began writing about black holes evaporating as far back as the 1970s. I think he's talking about Hawking changing his mind as to whether information can escape from black holes. Hawking always said radiation can escape, but believed all information was destroyed. He changed his mind about that. The above quote is pure bovine excrement. Baldev probably got his doctorate in farming technology. Jonathan Colvin
Re: How did he get his information?
Hi Norman, On a lark I Googled and found: http://www.igcar.ernet.in/igc2004/balbio.htm His specializations include materials characterization, testing and evaluation using nondestructive evaluation methodologies, materials development and performance assessment and technology management. He has steered and participated in many national programmes of great significance namely DST project on Intelligent Processing of Materials, Characterization of Cultural Heritage, IAF programmes of ageing management, Dept. of Space and Dept. of Defence programmes. He has 33 years of experience, which has led to many first of its kind observations and discoveries in the field of materials characterization and applications. He is known for his contributions to KAMINI Reactor, hot cell facilities for examination and reprocessing of fuels and reactor technology particularly in the area of materials and manufacturing technologies. Charlatan, maybe... Stephen - Original Message - From: Norman Samish [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: everything-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 12:27 AM Subject: Re: How did he get his information? Lee, Stephen, Stathis, Jonathan, Thanks for your illuminating responses. I went to http://internationalreporter.com/news/read.php?id=641 and left a message telling them that I objected to the slur on Hawking, and that I thought Dr. Baldev was a charlatan. I also rated the article as Bad, the worst available rating. Somebody responded with thanks. In addition to their gratitude, I noticed that my Bad rating of the article had been magically transformed into Good. Norman
Re: How did he get his information?
Thanks for the interesting detective work. He seems to have had a very distinguished career - one that is not that of a charlatan. But how could somebody with such a distinguished record suddenly promote all these weird ideas? Is he becoming unbalanced? Is my information incorrect? If the attack on Hawking occurred as reported, that behavior is unprofessional at best. Norman - Original Message - From: Stephen Paul King [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: everything-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 9:55 PM Subject: Re: How did he get his information? Hi Norman, On a lark I Googled and found: http://www.igcar.ernet.in/igc2004/balbio.htm His specializations include materials characterization, testing and evaluation using nondestructive evaluation methodologies, materials development and performance assessment and technology management. He has steered and participated in many national programmes of great significance namely DST project on Intelligent Processing of Materials, Characterization of Cultural Heritage, IAF programmes of ageing management, Dept. of Space and Dept. of Defence programmes. He has 33 years of experience, which has led to many first of its kind observations and discoveries in the field of materials characterization and applications. He is known for his contributions to KAMINI Reactor, hot cell facilities for examination and reprocessing of fuels and reactor technology particularly in the area of materials and manufacturing technologies. Charlatan, maybe... Stephen - Original Message - From: Norman Samish [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: everything-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 12:27 AM Subject: Re: How did he get his information? Lee, Stephen, Stathis, Jonathan, Thanks for your illuminating responses. I went to http://internationalreporter.com/news/read.php?id=641 and left a message telling them that I objected to the slur on Hawking, and that I thought Dr. Baldev was a charlatan. I also rated the article as Bad, the worst available rating. Somebody responded with thanks. In addition to their gratitude, I noticed that my Bad rating of the article had been magically transformed into Good. Norman -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.8/37 - Release Date: 7/1/2005
