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Hi socra...@bezeqint.net There is always a well-known solution to every human problem--neat, plausible, and wrong. H. L. Mencken, - Receiving the following content - From: socra...@bezeqint.net Receiver: Everything List Time: 2013-01-22, 13:38:21 Subject: Re: Idealism, theology, and the world of science Options Very nice explanation. Congratulation There is only one small problem: It is too complex. If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough / Albert Einstein. / ==. On Jan 22, 6:28 pm, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 11:32 AM, socra...@bezeqint.net socra...@bezeqint.net wrote: According to Harold Morowitz a structure of single cell has 10^12 bit of information But cells are not in the one and same state, they are different then another cell has another 10^12 bit of information . . . ==. The estimate for human cells in the human body is about 10^14. The number of cells in the body is constantly changing, as cells die or are destroyed and new ones are formed. It means that bits information also constantly changing. Can this unity between information and cells be chaotic ? No, we are called this process: ‘self organizing‘. ==. About ‘self organizing ‘. It is amazing to me, that some can use the term self organizing without shame, to describe mindless objects, in arguments that claim that the universe lacks both mind and self. There just appears to be these massive blank spots in the thinking of those who wish to see this universe as containing nothing but mindless objects, denying the existence of self, while at the same time describing evolution as self. It is an inversion of reality, they describe and not reality. They would contend that the stone blocks of the pyramid, self organized themselves into a complexity that exceeded the complexity of the blocks themselves. I am sorry, reality really does not work upside down and backwards, even imagining it does, requires self-deception. / By Da Blob / Regarding self-organizing, In Bruno's words I postulate a Block Metaverse Quantum Mind that possesses consciousness and contains the forms of Plato from which come the principles and forms of self-organization. There may be as well little quantum minds associated with each 12d universe. But according to string theory, or perhaps my interpretation of it, each universe lacks its own compactification flux or fibrations (whatever) on which MWI type computations can be written. Only the 14d Metaverse has a 4 Dimensional Block Space with such volume-filling fluxes or fibrations for writing both all the quantum state possibilities in the future (so to speak- in the block metaspace the future is a space dimension) as well as all the happenings in the past. This is derived from 26d string theory separated into a 14d Many-World MW Metaverse and 12d MW universes, both containing supersymmetry. Richardhttp://www.math.mcgill.ca/palka/mgr-fiz-w.pdfhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compactification_(physics) These manifolds o er several globally de ned forms in terms of which vev-derived uxes could be written that might drive the super-Higgs mechanism. ...page 147 ofhttp://www2.warwick.ac.uk/fac/sci/maths/people/staff/thomas_house/the... ===.. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
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On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 11:32 AM, socra...@bezeqint.net socra...@bezeqint.net wrote: According to Harold Morowitz a structure of single cell has 10^12 bit of information But cells are not in the one and same state, they are different then another cell has another 10^12 bit of information . . . ==. The estimate for human cells in the human body is about 10^14. The number of cells in the body is constantly changing, as cells die or are destroyed and new ones are formed. It means that bits information also constantly changing. Can this unity between information and cells be chaotic ? No, we are called this process: ‘self organizing‘. ==. About ‘self organizing ‘. It is amazing to me, that some can use the term self organizing without shame, to describe mindless objects, in arguments that claim that the universe lacks both mind and self. There just appears to be these massive blank spots in the thinking of those who wish to see this universe as containing nothing but mindless objects, denying the existence of self, while at the same time describing evolution as self. It is an inversion of reality, they describe and not reality. They would contend that the stone blocks of the pyramid, self organized themselves into a complexity that exceeded the complexity of the blocks themselves. I am sorry, reality really does not work upside down and backwards, even imagining it does, requires self-deception. / By Da Blob / Regarding self-organizing, In Bruno's words I postulate a Block Metaverse Quantum Mind that possesses consciousness and contains the forms of Plato from which come the principles and forms of self-organization. There may be as well little quantum minds associated with each 12d universe. But according to string theory, or perhaps my interpretation of it, each universe lacks its own compactification flux or fibrations (whatever) on which MWI type computations can be written. Only the 14d Metaverse has a 4 Dimensional Block Space with such volume-filling fluxes or fibrations for writing both all the quantum state possibilities in the future (so to speak- in the block metaspace the future is a space dimension) as well as all the happenings in the past. This is derived from 26d string theory separated into a 14d Many-World MW Metaverse and 12d MW universes, both containing supersymmetry. Richard http://www.math.mcgill.ca/palka/mgr-fiz-w.pdf http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compactification_(physics) These manifolds offer several globally defined forms in terms of which vev-derived fluxes could be written that might drive the super-Higgs mechanism. ...page 147 of http://www2.warwick.ac.uk/fac/sci/maths/people/staff/thomas_house/thesis.pdf ===.. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
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Very nice explanation. Congratulation There is only one small problem: It is too complex. If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough / Albert Einstein. / ==. On Jan 22, 6:28 pm, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 11:32 AM, socra...@bezeqint.net socra...@bezeqint.net wrote: According to Harold Morowitz a structure of single cell has 10^12 bit of information But cells are not in the one and same state, they are different then another cell has another 10^12 bit of information . . . ==. The estimate for human cells in the human body is about 10^14. The number of cells in the body is constantly changing, as cells die or are destroyed and new ones are formed. It means that bits information also constantly changing. Can this unity between information and cells be chaotic ? No, we are called this process: ‘self organizing‘. ==. About ‘self organizing ‘. It is amazing to me, that some can use the term self organizing without shame, to describe mindless objects, in arguments that claim that the universe lacks both mind and self. There just appears to be these massive blank spots in the thinking of those who wish to see this universe as containing nothing but mindless objects, denying the existence of self, while at the same time describing evolution as self. It is an inversion of reality, they describe and not reality. They would contend that the stone blocks of the pyramid, self organized themselves into a complexity that exceeded the complexity of the blocks themselves. I am sorry, reality really does not work upside down and backwards, even imagining it does, requires self-deception. / By Da Blob / Regarding self-organizing, In Bruno's words I postulate a Block Metaverse Quantum Mind that possesses consciousness and contains the forms of Plato from which come the principles and forms of self-organization. There may be as well little quantum minds associated with each 12d universe. But according to string theory, or perhaps my interpretation of it, each universe lacks its own compactification flux or fibrations (whatever) on which MWI type computations can be written. Only the 14d Metaverse has a 4 Dimensional Block Space with such volume-filling fluxes or fibrations for writing both all the quantum state possibilities in the future (so to speak- in the block metaspace the future is a space dimension) as well as all the happenings in the past. This is derived from 26d string theory separated into a 14d Many-World MW Metaverse and 12d MW universes, both containing supersymmetry. Richardhttp://www.math.mcgill.ca/palka/mgr-fiz-w.pdfhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compactification_(physics) These manifolds offer several globally defined forms in terms of which vev-derived fluxes could be written that might drive the super-Higgs mechanism. ...page 147 ofhttp://www2.warwick.ac.uk/fac/sci/maths/people/staff/thomas_house/the... ===.. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
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What could be simpler than splitting the 26 dimensions into two groups that are both superstring theories. It certainly is less complicated than General Relativity On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 1:38 PM, socra...@bezeqint.net socra...@bezeqint.net wrote: Very nice explanation. Congratulation There is only one small problem: It is too complex. If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough / Albert Einstein. / ==. On Jan 22, 6:28 pm, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 11:32 AM, socra...@bezeqint.net socra...@bezeqint.net wrote: According to Harold Morowitz a structure of single cell has 10^12 bit of information But cells are not in the one and same state, they are different then another cell has another 10^12 bit of information . . . ==. The estimate for human cells in the human body is about 10^14. The number of cells in the body is constantly changing, as cells die or are destroyed and new ones are formed. It means that bits information also constantly changing. Can this unity between information and cells be chaotic ? No, we are called this process: ‘self organizing‘. ==. About ‘self organizing ‘. It is amazing to me, that some can use the term self organizing without shame, to describe mindless objects, in arguments that claim that the universe lacks both mind and self. There just appears to be these massive blank spots in the thinking of those who wish to see this universe as containing nothing but mindless objects, denying the existence of self, while at the same time describing evolution as self. It is an inversion of reality, they describe and not reality. They would contend that the stone blocks of the pyramid, self organized themselves into a complexity that exceeded the complexity of the blocks themselves. I am sorry, reality really does not work upside down and backwards, even imagining it does, requires self-deception. / By Da Blob / Regarding self-organizing, In Bruno's words I postulate a Block Metaverse Quantum Mind that possesses consciousness and contains the forms of Plato from which come the principles and forms of self-organization. There may be as well little quantum minds associated with each 12d universe. But according to string theory, or perhaps my interpretation of it, each universe lacks its own compactification flux or fibrations (whatever) on which MWI type computations can be written. Only the 14d Metaverse has a 4 Dimensional Block Space with such volume-filling fluxes or fibrations for writing both all the quantum state possibilities in the future (so to speak- in the block metaspace the future is a space dimension) as well as all the happenings in the past. This is derived from 26d string theory separated into a 14d Many-World MW Metaverse and 12d MW universes, both containing supersymmetry. Richardhttp://www.math.mcgill.ca/palka/mgr-fiz-w.pdfhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compactification_(physics) These manifolds offer several globally defined forms in terms of which vev-derived fluxes could be written that might drive the super-Higgs mechanism. ...page 147 ofhttp://www2.warwick.ac.uk/fac/sci/maths/people/staff/thomas_house/the... ===.. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
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Sorry. I don't need 'the 26 dimensions' to explain 'a Block Metaverse Quantum Mind that possesses consciousness' For me ( as a peasant ) enough one dimension to give the scheme of the primary conditions of existence. .. Occam's Razor and the Scheme of Universe. ==. At first I take the simplest reference frame – - the Euclidean space ( 2D). Now I will put a virtual - ideal particle in this 2D. The 2D is a very thin and flat homogeneous space, so my particle also must be thin and flat and symmetrical. Can it be a very thin and tiny limited line- string? No. In my opinion even this very thin and tiny line under good microscope will be looked as a rectangle. Can it be a very thin and tiny limited loop? No. The geometrical form of a loop is too complex, needs supplementary forces to create it. Can it be a very thin and tiny limited circle? Yes. From all geometrical forms the circle is the most symmetrical. The surface of a circle takes up the minimal area it can and I will write it by formula: C/D= pi= 3.14. (!) But I can put many particles there, for example, Avogadro’s number of particles: N(a). (!) # What is my next step? If I were a mathematician I would say nothing. But if I were a physicist I would say that 2D must have some physical parameters like: volume (V), temperature (T) and density (P). Yes, it seems the idea is right. Then, volume (V) is zero, temperature (T) is zero but . . but density (P) cannot be zero if 2D is a real space then its density can approximately be zero. # What can I do with these three parameters? I have only one possibility, to write the simplest formula: VP/T=R ( Clausius Clapeyron formula ! ) What is R? R is some kind of physical state of my 2D. And if I divide the whole space R by Avogadro’s numbers of particles then I have a formula R/ N(a) = k, then k ( as a Boltzmann constant) is some kind of physical state of one single virtual- ideal particle. (!) # But all creators of Quantum theory said that this space, as a whole, must have some kind of background energy (E). And its value must be enormous. But the background mass of every Avogadro’s particles in 2D has approximately zero mass, it is approximately massless (M). Fact. The detected material mass of the matter in the Universe is so small (the average density of all substance in the Universe is approximately p=10^-30 g/sm^3) that physicists say: ‘ More than 90% of the matter in the Universe is unseen.’ And nobody knows what this unseen ‘dark matter’ is. So, if I divide enormous energy (E) by approximately dark massless (M) then the potential energy/ mass of every single virtual- ideal particle ( according to Einstein and Dirac) is E/M=c^2 (potential energy/mass E/M=c^2 ! ) ( I don’t know why physicists call E/M= c^2 ‘rest mass’ and never say potential energy/mass E/M=c^2 .) In potential state my particle doesn’t move, so its impulse is h = 0. # My conclusion. I have virtual- ideal- massless particle which has geometrical and physical parameters: C/D= pi= 3.14 . . . . , R/ N(a) = k, E/M=c^2, h=0. All my virtual- ideal- massless particles are possible to call ‘ bosons’ or ‘antiparticles’ . These bosons are approximately massless but have huge potential energy/mass E/M=c^2 . But I have no fermions, no electric charge, no tachyons, no time, no mass, no movement at this picture. # ===.. Now, thinking logically, I must explain all the effects of motions. And. . . and I cannot say it better than Newton: ‘For the basic problem of philosophy seems to be to discover the forces of nature from the phenomena of motions and then to demonstrate the other phenomena from these forces.’ # How can one single virtual- ideal particle start its movement? At first, it will be right to think about some simple kind of movement, for example: my particle will move in straight line along 2D surface from some point A to the point B. What is possible to say now? According to the Michelson-Morley experiment my particle must move with constant speed: c=1 and its speed is independent. Its speed doesn’t depend on any other object or subject, it means the reason of its speed is hidden in itself, it is its inner impulse. This impulse doesn’t come from any formulas or equations. And when Planck introduced this inner impulse(h) to physicists, he took it from heaven, from ceiling. Sorry. Sorry. I must write: Planck introduced this inner impulse (h) intuitively. I must write: Planck introduced his unit (h) phenomenologically. At any way, having Planck’s inner impulse (unit h=1) my particle flies with speed c=1. We call it photon now. Photon’s movement from some point A to the point B doesn’t change the flat and homogeneous 2D surface. Of course, my photon must be careful, because in some local place some sun’s gravitation can catch and change its trajectory I hope it will be lucky to escape from the sun’s gravity love. # My photon can have other possibility to move. This second possibility was discover by Goudsmit and Uhlenbeck in
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On 20 Jan 2013, at 18:17, socra...@bezeqint.net wrote: Question. What is DNA ? Life library. DNA consist on atoms and electromagnetic fields. In 1904 Lorentz proved: there isn’t em field without Electron It means the source of this em field must be an Electron Then we need to write : DNA is atoms, electron (s) and electromagnetic fields. The simplest particle - electron have six ( 6 ) formulas and many theories. In the other words, we don’t know what electron is. In my opinion, if we understand electron we will better understand DNA. With comp atoms and field are parts of what we need to explain. Bruno ==. On Jan 20, 12:52 pm, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 18 Jan 2013, at 09:32, socra...@bezeqint.net wrote: Does DNA have consciousness to create the double helix from zygote to child ? Probably not. But the complex DNA+cytoplasm might have some consciousness on vaster scale. very hard to decide this today. Then DNA +cytoplasm might have the universal Turing machine consciousness, which might be trivial tough, and quite disconnected from our computational history. This might be trivial consciousness. I am not sure. Bruno ==. On Jan 18, 1:25 am, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 6:04 AM, socra...@bezeqint.net socra...@bezeqint.net wrote: Descartes : “ I think, therefore I am “ Zen / Tibetan Buddhist monks : I think not, therefore I am Why they say: ' Mind for others , no mind for me' ? Are they fool men or maybe they know that there are two methods of cognitions. ===.. Where does the information come from? Information can be transfered only by electromagnetic fields. In 1904 Lorentz proved: there isn’t em waves without Electron In our earthly world there is only one fundamental particle - electron who can transfer information. Can an electron be quant of information? What is an electron ? Now nobody knows. .. Big bang About “ big bang” is written many thick books. But nobody knows the reason of the “Big Bang”. I know. The action, when the God compresses all Universe into his palm, we named ‘ a singular point’. And action, when the God opens his palm, we named the ‘big bang. Actually the name should be Meta-Bang for Metaverse creation and reserve the word Big-Bang for Universe creation. I agree that the Metaverse comes from a primordial 26d singularity. Richard # And the Catholic Church adopted the theory of Big Bang as a good proof of God existing. And Pope Pius XII declared this in 1951. http://discovermagazine.com/2004/feb/cover/ =. Question: Does DNA Know Geometry ? I suspect that DNA came from the geometry of general relativity with torsion. Can you think of any other geometry the double helix could be based on by analogy? ===... ‘ Scientific knowledge is fundamentally paradoxical.’ / someone / ‘. ., and many feel that physics is just the real deal about metaphysics. ‘ Bruno . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com . To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com . To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en . http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en . http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
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Many questionable statements along this long conversation. To your quote (life library?) - it is a figment of our conventional (bio?) sciences, as we build 'life' theories from atoms - em - energy - etc. * I don't know about Turing ccness, but in my terms ccness is the response to relations. (Was: to information) In such sense DNA(?) (+ or not) citoplasm(?) may have such. JM On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 9:21 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 20 Jan 2013, at 18:17, socra...@bezeqint.net wrote: Question. What is DNA ? Life library. DNA consist on atoms and electromagnetic fields. In 1904 Lorentz proved: there isn’t em field without Electron It means the source of this em field must be an Electron Then we need to write : DNA is atoms, electron (s) and electromagnetic fields. The simplest particle - electron have six ( 6 ) formulas and many theories. In the other words, we don’t know what electron is. In my opinion, if we understand electron we will better understand DNA. With comp atoms and field are parts of what we need to explain. Bruno ==. On Jan 20, 12:52 pm, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 18 Jan 2013, at 09:32, socra...@bezeqint.net wrote: Does DNA have consciousness to create the double helix from zygote to child ? Probably not. But the complex DNA+cytoplasm might have some consciousness on vaster scale. very hard to decide this today. Then DNA +cytoplasm might have the universal Turing machine consciousness, which might be trivial tough, and quite disconnected from our computational history. This might be trivial consciousness. I am not sure. Bruno ==. On Jan 18, 1:25 am, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 6:04 AM, socra...@bezeqint.net socra...@bezeqint.net wrote: Descartes : “ I think, therefore I am “ Zen / Tibetan Buddhist monks : I think not, therefore I am Why they say: ' Mind for others , no mind for me' ? Are they fool men or maybe they know that there are two methods of cognitions. ===.. Where does the information come from? Information can be transfered only by electromagnetic fields. In 1904 Lorentz proved: there isn’t em waves without Electron In our earthly world there is only one fundamental particle - electron who can transfer information. Can an electron be quant of information? What is an electron ? Now nobody knows. .. Big bang About “ big bang” is written many thick books. But nobody knows the reason of the “Big Bang”. I know. The action, when the God compresses all Universe into his palm, we named ‘ a singular point’. And action, when the God opens his palm, we named the ‘big bang. Actually the name should be Meta-Bang for Metaverse creation and reserve the word Big-Bang for Universe creation. I agree that the Metaverse comes from a primordial 26d singularity. Richard # And the Catholic Church adopted the theory of Big Bang as a good proof of God existing. And Pope Pius XII declared this in 1951. http://discovermagazine.com/**2004/feb/cover/http://discovermagazine.com/2004/feb/cover/ =. Question: Does DNA Know Geometry ? I suspect that DNA came from the geometry of general relativity with torsion. Can you think of any other geometry the double helix could be based on by analogy? ==**=... ‘ Scientific knowledge is fundamentally paradoxical.’ / someone / ‘. ., and many feel that physics is just the real deal about metaphysics. ‘ Bruno . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.** com everything-list@googlegroups.com . To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscribe@**googlegroups.comeverything-list%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/** group/everything-list?hl=en.-http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.**comeverything-list@googlegroups.com . To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscribe@**googlegroups.comeverything-list%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/** group/everything-list?hl=enhttp://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en . http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~**marchal/-http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/-Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to
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Question. What is DNA ? DNA consist on atoms and electromagnetic fields. In 1904 Lorentz proved: there isn’t em field without Electron It means the source of this em field must be an Electron Then we need to write : DNA is atoms, electron (s) and electromagnetic fields. The simplest particle - electron have six ( 6 ) formulas and many theories. In the other words, we don’t know what electron is. In my opinion, if we understand electron we will better understand DNA. ==. On Jan 20, 12:52 pm, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 18 Jan 2013, at 09:32, socra...@bezeqint.net wrote: Does DNA have consciousness to create the double helix from zygote to child ? Probably not. But the complex DNA+cytoplasm might have some consciousness on vaster scale. very hard to decide this today. Then DNA +cytoplasm might have the universal Turing machine consciousness, which might be trivial tough, and quite disconnected from our computational history. This might be trivial consciousness. I am not sure. Bruno ==. On Jan 18, 1:25 am, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 6:04 AM, socra...@bezeqint.net socra...@bezeqint.net wrote: Descartes : “ I think, therefore I am “ Zen / Tibetan Buddhist monks : I think not, therefore I am Why they say: ' Mind for others , no mind for me' ? Are they fool men or maybe they know that there are two methods of cognitions. ===.. Where does the information come from? Information can be transfered only by electromagnetic fields. In 1904 Lorentz proved: there isn’t em waves without Electron In our earthly world there is only one fundamental particle - electron who can transfer information. Can an electron be quant of information? What is an electron ? Now nobody knows. .. Big bang About “ big bang” is written many thick books. But nobody knows the reason of the “Big Bang”. I know. The action, when the God compresses all Universe into his palm, we named ‘ a singular point’. And action, when the God opens his palm, we named the ‘big bang. Actually the name should be Meta-Bang for Metaverse creation and reserve the word Big-Bang for Universe creation. I agree that the Metaverse comes from a primordial 26d singularity. Richard # And the Catholic Church adopted the theory of Big Bang as a good proof of God existing. And Pope Pius XII declared this in 1951. http://discovermagazine.com/2004/feb/cover/ =. Question: Does DNA Know Geometry ? I suspect that DNA came from the geometry of general relativity with torsion. Can you think of any other geometry the double helix could be based on by analogy? ===... ‘ Scientific knowledge is fundamentally paradoxical.’ / someone / ‘. ., and many feel that physics is just the real deal about metaphysics. ‘ Bruno . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com . To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en . http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
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Does DNA know geometry ? Did DNA create child from zygote by the chance ? =. The infinite monkey theorem states that a monkey hitting keys at random on a typewriter keyboard for an infinite amount of time will almost surely type a given text, such as the complete works of William Shakespeare. The probability of a monkey exactly typing a complete work such as Shakespeare's Hamlet is so tiny that the chance of it occurring during a period of time of the order of the age of the universe is extremely low, but not zero. . . . . . If there are as many monkeys as there are particles in the observable universe . . . . the probability of the monkeys replicating even a short book is nearly zero. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinite_monkey_theorem It means that according to Probability theory it is impossible to create by chance Intellect Existence during 14 billions years after ‘big bang’. Another example. Proteins With Only Left-Handed Components http://creationsafaris.com/epoi_c04.htm The probability that an average-size protein molecule of the smallest theoretically possible living thing would happen to contain only left-handed amino acids is, therefore, 1 in 10123, on the average. That is a rather discouraging chance. To get the feel of that number, let’s look at it with all the 123 zeros: There is, on the average, 1 chance in – 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, 000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, 000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 that all of the amino acids of a particular protein molecule would be left-handed! Conclusion: No Conceivable Probability We find that there is no lessening of confusion until one accepts the logic that “intelligent” systems could not arise without an intelligent Designer. http://creationsafaris.com/epoi_c04.htm # According to the probability theory to create the origin of life from ' the soup ' of proteins by the chance is 1 from 10^(-255). This quantity is so small that it seems this way of creation is impossible : not by chance the existence began. ==. Question. Does DNA have consciousness to create an intellectual child from zygote? ===… -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
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Does DNA have consciousness to create the double helix from zygote to child ? ==. On Jan 18, 1:25 am, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 6:04 AM, socra...@bezeqint.net socra...@bezeqint.net wrote: Descartes : “ I think, therefore I am “ Zen / Tibetan Buddhist monks : I think not, therefore I am Why they say: ' Mind for others , no mind for me' ? Are they fool men or maybe they know that there are two methods of cognitions. ===.. Where does the information come from? Information can be transfered only by electromagnetic fields. In 1904 Lorentz proved: there isn’t em waves without Electron In our earthly world there is only one fundamental particle - electron who can transfer information. Can an electron be quant of information? What is an electron ? Now nobody knows. .. Big bang About “ big bang” is written many thick books. But nobody knows the reason of the “Big Bang”. I know. The action, when the God compresses all Universe into his palm, we named ‘ a singular point’. And action, when the God opens his palm, we named the ‘big bang. Actually the name should be Meta-Bang for Metaverse creation and reserve the word Big-Bang for Universe creation. I agree that the Metaverse comes from a primordial 26d singularity. Richard # And the Catholic Church adopted the theory of Big Bang as a good proof of God existing. And Pope Pius XII declared this in 1951. http://discovermagazine.com/2004/feb/cover/ =. Question: Does DNA Know Geometry ? I suspect that DNA came from the geometry of general relativity with torsion. Can you think of any other geometry the double helix could be based on by analogy? ===... ‘ Scientific knowledge is fundamentally paradoxical.’ / someone / ‘. ., and many feel that physics is just the real deal about metaphysics. ‘ Bruno . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
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DNA probably forms algorithmically On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 3:32 AM, socra...@bezeqint.net socra...@bezeqint.net wrote: Does DNA have consciousness to create the double helix from zygote to child ? ==. On Jan 18, 1:25 am, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 6:04 AM, socra...@bezeqint.net socra...@bezeqint.net wrote: Descartes : “ I think, therefore I am “ Zen / Tibetan Buddhist monks : I think not, therefore I am Why they say: ' Mind for others , no mind for me' ? Are they fool men or maybe they know that there are two methods of cognitions. ===.. Where does the information come from? Information can be transfered only by electromagnetic fields. In 1904 Lorentz proved: there isn’t em waves without Electron In our earthly world there is only one fundamental particle - electron who can transfer information. Can an electron be quant of information? What is an electron ? Now nobody knows. .. Big bang About “ big bang” is written many thick books. But nobody knows the reason of the “Big Bang”. I know. The action, when the God compresses all Universe into his palm, we named ‘ a singular point’. And action, when the God opens his palm, we named the ‘big bang. Actually the name should be Meta-Bang for Metaverse creation and reserve the word Big-Bang for Universe creation. I agree that the Metaverse comes from a primordial 26d singularity. Richard # And the Catholic Church adopted the theory of Big Bang as a good proof of God existing. And Pope Pius XII declared this in 1951. http://discovermagazine.com/2004/feb/cover/ =. Question: Does DNA Know Geometry ? I suspect that DNA came from the geometry of general relativity with torsion. Can you think of any other geometry the double helix could be based on by analogy? ===... ‘ Scientific knowledge is fundamentally paradoxical.’ / someone / ‘. ., and many feel that physics is just the real deal about metaphysics. ‘ Bruno . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
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Did these 'algorithmically forms' by the chance created child from zygote? = On Jan 18, 12:27 pm, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote: DNA probably forms algorithmically On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 3:32 AM, socra...@bezeqint.net socra...@bezeqint.net wrote: Does DNA have consciousness to create the double helix from zygote to child ? ==. On Jan 18, 1:25 am, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 6:04 AM, socra...@bezeqint.net socra...@bezeqint.net wrote: Descartes : “ I think, therefore I am “ Zen / Tibetan Buddhist monks : I think not, therefore I am Why they say: ' Mind for others , no mind for me' ? Are they fool men or maybe they know that there are two methods of cognitions. ===.. Where does the information come from? Information can be transfered only by electromagnetic fields. In 1904 Lorentz proved: there isn’t em waves without Electron In our earthly world there is only one fundamental particle - electron who can transfer information. Can an electron be quant of information? What is an electron ? Now nobody knows. .. Big bang About “ big bang” is written many thick books. But nobody knows the reason of the “Big Bang”. I know. The action, when the God compresses all Universe into his palm, we named ‘ a singular point’. And action, when the God opens his palm, we named the ‘big bang. Actually the name should be Meta-Bang for Metaverse creation and reserve the word Big-Bang for Universe creation. I agree that the Metaverse comes from a primordial 26d singularity. Richard # And the Catholic Church adopted the theory of Big Bang as a good proof of God existing. And Pope Pius XII declared this in 1951. http://discovermagazine.com/2004/feb/cover/ =. Question: Does DNA Know Geometry ? I suspect that DNA came from the geometry of general relativity with torsion. Can you think of any other geometry the double helix could be based on by analogy? ===... ‘ Scientific knowledge is fundamentally paradoxical.’ / someone / ‘. ., and many feel that physics is just the real deal about metaphysics. ‘ Bruno . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.-Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
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Yes, the biological laws of nature are algorithms in computation space. On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 12:25 PM, socra...@bezeqint.net socra...@bezeqint.net wrote: Did these 'algorithmically forms' by the chance created child from zygote? = On Jan 18, 12:27 pm, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote: DNA probably forms algorithmically On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 3:32 AM, socra...@bezeqint.net socra...@bezeqint.net wrote: Does DNA have consciousness to create the double helix from zygote to child ? ==. On Jan 18, 1:25 am, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 6:04 AM, socra...@bezeqint.net socra...@bezeqint.net wrote: Descartes : “ I think, therefore I am “ Zen / Tibetan Buddhist monks : I think not, therefore I am Why they say: ' Mind for others , no mind for me' ? Are they fool men or maybe they know that there are two methods of cognitions. ===.. Where does the information come from? Information can be transfered only by electromagnetic fields. In 1904 Lorentz proved: there isn’t em waves without Electron In our earthly world there is only one fundamental particle - electron who can transfer information. Can an electron be quant of information? What is an electron ? Now nobody knows. .. Big bang About “ big bang” is written many thick books. But nobody knows the reason of the “Big Bang”. I know. The action, when the God compresses all Universe into his palm, we named ‘ a singular point’. And action, when the God opens his palm, we named the ‘big bang. Actually the name should be Meta-Bang for Metaverse creation and reserve the word Big-Bang for Universe creation. I agree that the Metaverse comes from a primordial 26d singularity. Richard # And the Catholic Church adopted the theory of Big Bang as a good proof of God existing. And Pope Pius XII declared this in 1951. http://discovermagazine.com/2004/feb/cover/ =. Question: Does DNA Know Geometry ? I suspect that DNA came from the geometry of general relativity with torsion. Can you think of any other geometry the double helix could be based on by analogy? ===... ‘ Scientific knowledge is fundamentally paradoxical.’ / someone / ‘. ., and many feel that physics is just the real deal about metaphysics. ‘ Bruno . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.-Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
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On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 6:04 AM, socra...@bezeqint.net socra...@bezeqint.net wrote: Descartes : “ I think, therefore I am “ Zen / Tibetan Buddhist monks : I think not, therefore I am Why they say: ' Mind for others , no mind for me' ? Are they fool men or maybe they know that there are two methods of cognitions. ===.. Where does the information come from? Information can be transfered only by electromagnetic fields. In 1904 Lorentz proved: there isn’t em waves without Electron In our earthly world there is only one fundamental particle - electron who can transfer information. Can an electron be quant of information? What is an electron ? Now nobody knows. .. Big bang About “ big bang” is written many thick books. But nobody knows the reason of the “Big Bang”. I know. The action, when the God compresses all Universe into his palm, we named ‘ a singular point’. And action, when the God opens his palm, we named the ‘big bang. Actually the name should be Meta-Bang for Metaverse creation and reserve the word Big-Bang for Universe creation. I agree that the Metaverse comes from a primordial 26d singularity. Richard # And the Catholic Church adopted the theory of Big Bang as a good proof of God existing. And Pope Pius XII declared this in 1951. http://discovermagazine.com/2004/feb/cover/ =. Question: Does DNA Know Geometry ? I suspect that DNA came from the geometry of general relativity with torsion. Can you think of any other geometry the double helix could be based on by analogy? ===... ‘ Scientific knowledge is fundamentally paradoxical.’ / someone / ‘. ., and many feel that physics is just the real deal about metaphysics. ‘ Bruno . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
