Re: Re: Re: No Chinese Room Necessary

2012-08-31 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Craig Weinberg Where today is Regressivism and Dystopianism ? Or maybe that was just an ironic comment. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 8/31/2012 Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so that everything could function." - Receiving the following content -

Re: Re: Re: Re: No Chinese Room Necessary

2012-08-29 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Wednesday, August 29, 2012 11:45:16 AM UTC-4, rclough wrote: > > > > Please excuse the word, but comp can only create zombies, > which seem to be alive but are not actually so. > > Exactly. I don't call them zombies though, because zombie implies a negative affirmation of life. They are p

Re: Re: Re: Re: No Chinese Room Necessary

2012-08-29 Thread Roger Clough
could function." - Receiving the following content - From: Alberto G. Corona Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-08-29, 12:02:39 Subject: Re: Re: Re: No Chinese Room Necessary You said that you perceive. Now you mean that you reflect on yourself. And I must believe so. It is theoretica

Re: Re: Re: No Chinese Room Necessary

2012-08-29 Thread Alberto G. Corona
You said that you perceive. Now you mean that you reflect on yourself. And I must believe so. It is theoretically possible to do a robot that do so as well in very sophisticated ways. I agree with you that robots are zombies, but some day, like in the novels of Stanislav Lem, they may adquire p

Re: Re: Re: No Chinese Room Necessary

2012-08-29 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Alberto G. Corona What functionality ? Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 8/29/2012 Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so everything could function." - Receiving the following content - From: Alberto G. Corona Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-08-29

Re: Re: Re: No Chinese Room Necessary

2012-08-29 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Alberto G. Corona If I can perceive, I simply know that I can. The problem only enters when I tell you what I perceived. There faith matters, you can trust my word or not. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 8/29/2012 Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so everyth

Re: Re: Re: No Chinese Room Necessary

2012-08-29 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Alberto G. Corona A grizzly bear, which seemingly has no moral code (other than "when hungry, kill and eat"), can still perceive perfectly well enough, or else he would starve. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 8/29/2012 Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so

Re: Re: Re: Re: No Chinese Room Necessary

2012-08-29 Thread Roger Clough
content - From: Alberto G. Corona Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-08-29, 11:19:59 Subject: Re: Re: Re: No Chinese Room Necessary I say nothing opposed to that. What I say is that it's functionality is computable: It is possible to make a robot with this functionality of aware

Re: Re: Re: No Chinese Room Necessary

2012-08-29 Thread Craig Weinberg
Before you can have a computer, you need some kind of i/o. I think this is what comp ignores. It is my hypotheses that 'input' is afferent phenomenology and 'output' is efferent participation in all cases, however i/o does not automatically carry the full spectrum of possible phenomenological q

Re: Re: Re: No Chinese Room Necessary

2012-08-29 Thread Alberto G. Corona
I say nothing opposed to that. What I say is that it´s functionality is computable: It is possible to make a robot with this functionality of awareness, but may be not with the capability of _being_ aware 2012/8/29 Roger Clough > Hi Alberto G. Corona > > Awareness = I see X. > or I am X. > or

Re: Re: Re: No Chinese Room Necessary

2012-08-29 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Alberto G. Corona Awareness = I see X. or I am X. or some similar statement. There's no computer in that behavior or state of being. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 8/29/2012 Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so everything could function." - Receiving