OOO Exchange 2000

2003-03-31 Thread Byron Kennedy
Hi, Probably an easy one. Where is the option to allow or deny this OOO in exch 2000. Thx! Byron MarketTools(r) Real Market Research Insights. In Real Time. At Real Savings. _ List posting FAQ:

RE: Double-clicking attachments in OWA 2000 gives 404

2003-03-20 Thread Byron Kennedy
of the message contains any string of an otherwise bogus URL request (e.g. .. which is part of the request for Code Red and Nimda) then it will be denied with a 404. -Original Message- From: Byron Kennedy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 3:58 PM To: Exchange

Double-clicking attachments in OWA 2000 gives 404

2003-03-19 Thread Byron Kennedy
Am seeing this error occasionally on a new exchange 2000 owa server (All 2000 mailbox and owa 2000 servers are sp3). One example was a relatively small zip file, another an .htm file. Doesn't happen on all attachments, but is consistent with the message, that is it never works when accessing w/

RE: Double-clicking attachments in OWA 2000 gives 404

2003-03-19 Thread Byron Kennedy
More info: * OWA 2000 server is a front-end setup * OWA 2000 server using latest iis lockdown and url scan w/ standard owa template. Appreciate any pointers. byron -Original Message- From: Byron Kennedy Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 12:30 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject

RE: OOO to internet, still bad?

2003-03-05 Thread Byron Kennedy
-Outlook, CNA, MCPx3 Director of Information Services Damon Key Leong Kupchak Hastert http://www.hawaiilawyer.com -Original Message- From: Byron Kennedy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 3:34 PM To: Exchange Discussions I know this has caused havoc on e-mail

OOO to internet, still bad?

2003-03-04 Thread Byron Kennedy
I know this has caused havoc on e-mail systems in the past. Is this still frowned on and if so, are there any best-practices available out there on how to enable a firm to provide this service effectively with exchange 2000, outlook 2000/xp and avoid pitfalls in the past? How do others

RE: OOO to internet, still bad?

2003-03-04 Thread Byron Kennedy
with OOO is small. However, consider the following: Byron Kennedy is out of the office vacationing in the south of France until the end of the summer. Please feel free to drop by his house at 123 Any Street, Anytown, USA, and help yourself to whatever is left. If you are a spammer, then you've hit

RE: Web interface to update Exchange 200/AD

2003-01-02 Thread Byron Kennedy
-webadmin.html Or did you mean galmod32 from the resource kit? William -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Byron Kennedy Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 12:31 PM To: Exchange Discussions Is there a product out there that will allow you

RE: Incoming Mail not working

2002-11-12 Thread Byron Kennedy
Your AD zone/internal dns servers should ideally not be serving public recursive lookups. Big security issues there. Setup your public zones (redundant) on a separate machine(s) outside the firewall somewhere, or have your isp host them. Have your internal name servers forward lookups to your

RE: VPN breaks Outlook

2002-10-31 Thread Byron Kennedy
Does the vpn work in general from behind the firewall? Do other protocols like icmp work? Is the vpn site-to-site or client-gateway? -Original Message- From: Tener, Richard [mailto:RTener;midship.com] Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 7:55 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN

RE: VPN breaks Outlook

2002-10-31 Thread Byron Kennedy
or what to do i would appreciate it. thanks rich ps sorry for hijacking this thread. -Original Message- From: Byron Kennedy [mailto:byron;markettools.com] Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 12:05 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: VPN breaks Outlook Does the vpn work in general from

RE: VPN breaks Outlook

2002-10-30 Thread Byron Kennedy
Yes. I think it's included with the next ver of exch. I understand that they also optimized the super chatty mapi communication somewhat. -Original Message- From: Andrey Fyodorov [mailto:afyodorov;innerhost.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 12:06 PM To: Exchange Discussions

RE: VPN breaks Outlook

2002-10-29 Thread Byron Kennedy
This is a correct explanation of the issue. Name resolution could have been ruled out by the info originally provided. Jpc- I've seen this often. don't know about alcatel, but some vpn clients allow a mtu config option in the client software which is helpful to limit tcp payload per packet.

RE: impact of the Q262376 on Exchange 2000

2002-10-28 Thread Byron Kennedy
My opinion: this is one of those white-board type questions. 3 free cents: As a high-level process I'd work my way through this issue figuring out what I could rely on based on how things were working before any changes, and at what incremental point during the changes did things begin to

RE: VPN breaks Outlook

2002-10-28 Thread Byron Kennedy
Try lowering the mtu on the linksys or the alcatel. Search google for details. -Original Message- From: JPC [mailto:jpciocon;hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 5:10 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: VPN breaks Outlook Hi, folks: Mixed mode, currently migrating users from

RE: Troubleshooting POP3 Access to a Front-End server in a DMZ

2002-10-28 Thread Byron Kennedy
Send me the pix config byron -Original Message- From: Jeffrey Dubyn [mailto:jdubyn;optonline.net] Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 12:47 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Troubleshooting POP3 Access to a Front-End server in a DMZ Having trouble getting POP3 access to work using

RE: Backup Hardware

2002-09-18 Thread Byron Kennedy
There's no maybe about it - it just is what it is. It won't work. Great books your company makes btw! ;) -Original Message- From: Daniel Kleinsinger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 12:39 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Backup Hardware I was

RE: Exchange 5.5 IMC

2002-09-03 Thread Byron Kennedy
What is the limit set to? The answer may help. Also, I'd consider setting up a separate mail relay for the java app. Something to consider. -Original Message- From: Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 12:57 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Exchange

Groupwise - exchange

2002-08-14 Thread Byron Kennedy
Have a very small installation wanting to migrate their novell/groupwise 6.0 data to exchange 2000. I'm looking through the materials on MS's site now but was wondering if there are any big show stoppers that folks here have run into. Any advise from experience doing this migration? Thx for

RE: Message filter in exch5.5

2002-05-17 Thread Byron Kennedy
hey eric. try specify by host: ip 210.0.0.0.0 mask255.0.0.0 -Original Message- From: Hansen, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 3:19 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Message filter in exch5.5 Got it, I know pretty much how to block whatever,

RE: iis 5

2002-04-24 Thread Byron Kennedy
if your isp blocks inbound access to port 80 run your web on a different port, or upgrade isp services. -Original Message- From: Tener, Richard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 2:43 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: iis 5 No -Original Message-

RE: MSX2000 Firewall

2002-03-14 Thread Byron Kennedy
i think you've got your hands full already with security issues. why in the world would you consider this. the good news is, with that new netcat listener remote admin will be easier ;) -Original Message- From: Bravo, Liliana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002

RE: Installing Norton Antivirus

2002-02-12 Thread Byron Kennedy
do you feel sorry for his employer because; 1. he doesn't know what a http word wrap is or 2. it wasn't included in the testing material for his mcse+i? -Original Message- From: Blunt, James H (Jim) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 2:20 PM To: Exchange

RE: Microsoft Security Bulletin MS02-003

2002-02-07 Thread Byron Kennedy
what part is unclear? -Original Message- From: John Q Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 2:15 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Re: Microsoft Security Bulletin MS02-003 What does this mean? - John Q - Original Message - From: Martin Blackstone

RE: Terminal Server Security

2002-02-01 Thread Byron Kennedy
point of clarity: the web client doesn't actually use port 80 but will use 3389 as well - check out the tsac docs for details. i recall that the high encryp option is 128bit. -Original Message- From: Nick Goodman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 12:47 PM To:

RE: Terminal Server Security (OT)

2002-02-01 Thread Byron Kennedy
of kernal mode vs. user mode calls - especially if you open up port 80. audit the security logs carefully and use strong passwords (repeat that a few times). good luck. -Original Message- From: Byron Kennedy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 2:00 PM To: Exchange

RE: E-mail and Compaq iPaq's

2002-01-31 Thread Byron Kennedy
fwiw- so has my 3870 :( -Original Message- From: Blunt, James H (Jim) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 9:28 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: E-mail and Compaq iPaq's Frank Miller has answered my question...I am running PocketPC 2000. PocketPC 2002

RE: Alert: W32/Myparty-mm on the loose

2002-01-28 Thread Byron Kennedy
just spoke with them on this. Was informed that they're currently analyzing the issue in QA and with the scan engine vendors. I'd check back with them in the next day or so on next steps. byron markettools -Original Message- From: Harmon, Josh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday,

RE: Out of Topic: Exchange Outlook Mag

2002-01-21 Thread Byron Kennedy
Hey Ed, if you, Chris, Sue, Ben and others are interested in a hardcopy publishing project I'm sure you'd have an immediate market demand! Just in case you needed another part-time job huhhh ;) cheers-byron -Original Message- From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday,

RE: Need advice from the Gurus (mobile users question)

2002-01-15 Thread Byron Kennedy
i would choose an ICSA certified ipsec solution. http://www.trusecure.com/ I understand that Microsoft ISA can serve as a vpn terminator for external clients using l2tp/ipsec as well gateway to gateway implementations with other ISA servers. However, I've never used isa in this capacity.

RE: SNMP on an Exchange server.

2002-01-08 Thread Byron Kennedy
has anyone been able to expose permon data to snmp for exch 5.5 running on win 2k? what do i need to do to get this running. thx.byron -Original Message- From: Jennifer Baker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 10:28 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE:

RE: SNMP on an Exchange server.

2002-01-08 Thread Byron Kennedy
run into. -Original Message- From: Byron Kennedy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 10:38 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: SNMP on an Exchange server. has anyone been able to expose permon data to snmp for exch 5.5 running on win 2k? what do i need to do

RE: Win2k backup and Exchange

2002-01-07 Thread Byron Kennedy
you've not accounted for the transaction logs. full nightly backups will take care of your needs. -Original Message- From: Michel, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 9:27 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Win2k backup and Exchange I have read it and

RE: Can't send to our Domain

2002-01-02 Thread Byron Kennedy
have them confirm they can resolve at connect to your smtprelay on port 25. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 11:14 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Can't send to our Domain I received this, quoted portion, via

RE: Preventing Hacks

2001-12-26 Thread Byron Kennedy
some general best practices * disable unneeded services/daemons * place the system behind a stateful firewall - allowing only the application access you require for the list-serv. Don't permit netbios, nfs, rpc, ftp, or tftp accross inbound or outbound. * stay up2date on all os and

RE: IIS SMTP Server (IIS5)

2001-12-18 Thread Byron Kennedy
on the dmz smtp server set the remote domain to forward mail to the internal IP ADDRESS of the internal server. don't use hostnames if at all possible. is the mail still in queue on the dmx smtp server? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent:

RE: New OWA patch (MS01-057): Anyone load it yet?

2001-12-07 Thread Byron Kennedy
nope. so far so good, we implemeted late last night. -Original Message- From: Tener, Richard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 12:13 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New OWA patch (MS01-057): Anyone load it yet? Does the patch require a reboot

RE: New Virus outbreak - OT on snort

2001-12-04 Thread Byron Kennedy
yes. do you have a rule that is catching gone_A and pulling the frames off the wire? -Original Message- From: Koos Jacobs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 10:39 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: New Virus outbreak Don't you guys use an Intrusion

RE: New Virus outbreak

2001-12-04 Thread Byron Kennedy
hey Brian- i can say that Antigen's file filter *.vbs will also catch *.jpg.vbs. perhaps you're seeing some CLSIDs, which are attachments that end with a CLSID file extension, but do not show the actual full extension of the file when saved and viewed with Windows Explorer. CLSIDs can circumvent

RE: OWA design implementation

2001-12-03 Thread Byron Kennedy
on the owa server. http://support.microsoft.com/support/exchange/content/whitepapers/owaguide.d oc good luck- byron -Original Message- From: Byron Kennedy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 5:19 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: OWA design implementation

RE: Exchange Server - Outlook Client Slowdown

2001-11-28 Thread Byron Kennedy
I tend to agree with Roger. Just to give you peace of mind, if you can manage the switch, check to see if you run across any FCS or align errors, or large amounts of small frames called runts on the ports that connect to the exchange server. This would be indicative of a duplex mismatch or a

RE: Question

2001-11-15 Thread Byron Kennedy
yes, but would be a good idea to apply limits at the IMS to better utilize your network bandwidth. Perhaps even an e-mail policy for users outlining why this is a bad idea - prior to their pushing send. byron -Original Message- From: Smith Thomas Contr 911 SPTG/SC [mailto:[EMAIL

RE: Accessing mails via remote Dial-up

2001-10-29 Thread Byron Kennedy
I'd create a VPN over your existing public network. -Original Message- From: Jean-Claude [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 9:28 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Accessing mails via remote Dial-up I am not very familiar with RAS. Do you know whether RAS

RE: Outgoing mail not working

2001-10-03 Thread Byron Kennedy
why? -Original Message- From: Van Huissteden, Adriaan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 5:04 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Outgoing mail not working Adriaan Van Huissteden Network Administrator Connect Credit Union Phone: (03) 6233 0660

RE: Restore

2001-10-03 Thread Byron Kennedy
how do you like your tea? -Original Message- From: Van Huissteden, Adriaan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 8:56 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Restore Can you backup and Restore individual Mailboxes on Exchange Server 2K? Thanks Adriaan Van

RE: [OT] MailSweeper for SMTP antivirus software

2001-10-02 Thread Byron Kennedy
I've found that that all of the major virus vendors do a pretty good job at notifications and updates (I think this much is in the fAQ). I've also found that using 2 or more different vendors somewhere in your detection path helps to minimize your exposure should one vendor be slow addressing a

RE: Sircam Virus

2001-10-01 Thread Byron Kennedy
On that thought - Is anyone here using mailEssentials? We are still getting pounded with Sircam also and are considering using this mailEssentials on our win2k smtp server in the dmz to filter mail before getting to Antigen on our smtp connector. The goal is to better filter mail of spamming,

RE: Sircam Virus

2001-10-01 Thread Byron Kennedy
yeah, part of me thinks it may be over-engineering the system, but based on my efforts Antigen can't filter based on data body content, nor by e-mail address or domain name. this is important for us. No question, Antigen kicks butt in Virus protection. byron -Original Message- From:

RE: Mass Email server

2001-10-01 Thread Byron Kennedy
try lsoft lsmtp. it's pretty cheap and more targeted to what you're wanting to do. byron -Original Message- From: Brent Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 4:23 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Mass Email server How can I configure Exchange to be

RE: MAPI Client for Windows 2000

2001-09-30 Thread Byron Kennedy
Hanji San, i bet dinner of your choice in San Francisco that you've never heard a profound discussion surrounding the value of installing a mapi client on an exchange server. further, even ms says the legacy app is supplied as is with no product support... clue.get! why go out of your way to

RE: Win 2K and Exchange 2K

2001-09-30 Thread Byron Kennedy
nope, I'm sticking with the tried and true Windows for workgroups and ms mail. it's great! :) -Original Message- From: Van Huissteden, Adriaan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2001 6:44 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Win 2K and Exchange 2K Has anyone used

OT: Cisco Security Advisory: Cisco Secure PIX Firewall SMTP Filte ring Vulnerability

2001-09-26 Thread Byron Kennedy
Just FYI, for those using smtp fixup with a PIX firewall. Just released from Cisco- Byron -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Cisco Secure PIX Firewall SMTP Filtering Vulnerability = Version 1.0 For Public Release 2001

RE: Terminal Services installed after E2K installed

2001-09-17 Thread Byron Kennedy
this represents a significant revenue center for MS. I think you're off on this one. Byron -Original Message- From: Jean-Francois Bourdeau [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 7:00 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Terminal Services installed after E2K

RE: TCO - Linux vs. Exchange

2001-09-13 Thread Byron Kennedy
I'd be interested in seeing actual load simulations and the associated performance of a 50,000 user loaded IBM 9672-X27 with collaboration applications on par w/ Exchange. I'd also like to see an Intel based clustered solution with a SAN factored in as an alternate solution. It may make the

RE: Urgent!

2001-09-11 Thread Byron Kennedy
i hear ya... try telling that to joshua :) -Original Message- From: David N. Precht [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 9:45 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Urgent! Future attacks remind me of the movie War Games No one AT ALL wins or

RE: URGENT to Upgrade

2001-09-10 Thread Byron Kennedy
this is outlined in the FAQ pretty well -Original Message- From: kumar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 2:03 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: URGENT to Upgrade Hi all, I have Exchange srver 5.5 Sp4 on WINDOWSNT 4.0 (Back office 4.5), NOW we are shifting

OT - great fish tacos

2001-09-05 Thread Byron Kennedy
it complete! later.byron Byron Kennedy MarketTools Inc. ___ MarketTools is the leading application service provider (ASP) of web-based market research tools. MarketTools provides business tools to build and deploy sophisticated surveys, gather responses and report

RE: Manage 5.5 from Win 2K Workstation

2001-09-05 Thread Byron Kennedy
yes -Original Message- From: Van Huissteden, Adriaan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 5:39 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Manage 5.5 from Win 2K Workstation Hello All, Can you install a Management console on WIN2k to manage Exchange 5.5 on

RE: Open Relay Black list

2001-09-05 Thread Byron Kennedy
check the FAQ on this one. there's a ton of material. you need to prevent relaying on your Internet smtp server. byron -Original Message- From: Pillai, Raj [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 4:04 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: Open Relay Black list

RE: oh, man what a mess

2001-08-25 Thread Byron Kennedy
I'm with ya totally! So it's like hearin: (drum-n-base) , POWER (to the stupid exchange admin) PEOPLE YALL!!! circa PE, late 80's - cool, now i got that song stuck in my head... too many beers... must go to sleep.. thump- /byron -Original Message- From: Jennifer Baker

RE: DOES NO ONE KNOW???? RE: Exchange 2000 install in new Win 200 0 domain problems...

2001-08-24 Thread Byron Kennedy
Hi Clint, Given your situation and the complexity of your environment, I'd honestly go ahead and give MS PSS a call (FAQ). They'll be able to provide you the best support and it's well worth $200 or so. good luck. Byron -Original Message- From: Clint CHN. Nichols [mailto:[EMAIL

RE: Donut Haiku (Fridays right?)

2001-08-24 Thread Byron Kennedy
no i think that's the Homer Simpson while eating sound :) -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 10:38 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Donut Haiku (Fridays right?) Are you in Japan as well? What is that stuff at

RE: Donut Haiku (Fridays right?)

2001-08-24 Thread Byron Kennedy
it's a form Japanese poetry that came from the Waka - made famous in the 12 century by Dogen Roshi who brought zen Buddhism from china to nihon (Japan). do a search for haiku, waka and dogen and you'll get some great info. -Original Message- From: Bare, Ronald A. [mailto:[EMAIL

RE: Attaching Files as Shortcuts

2001-08-24 Thread Byron Kennedy
Hey Mike, I actually think you pose a very valid question and think this functionality would be useful for users (and is not a behavioral issue - though there are many out there :)). However, Exchange/Outlook doesn't offer this out_of_the_box so like someone mentioned earlier you should check

RE: body type not supported by remote host

2001-08-21 Thread Byron Kennedy
I've run into this as well. you need to disable the 8-bit mime ext from being announced on the IIS 5.0 smtp server. check this out: http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q262/1/68.ASP?LN=EN-USSD=t echFR=0qry=8bitmimernk=1src=DHCS_MSPSS_tech_SRCHSPR=IIS50 -Original Message-

RE: Exchange installed on BDC

2001-08-21 Thread Byron Kennedy
leaseable - secure space in co-location facility such as exodus. -Original Message- From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 2:40 PM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: Exchange installed on BDC What's a colo cage? Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Tech

RE: connection failure to exchange server 5.5

2001-08-17 Thread Byron Kennedy
interesting. alternatively, you could clearly explain to them what the issue is, encourage them to read a book and grow from the mistake. why did they use poor judgment and make a dumb mistake? Good question. who put them in that environment? Sounds like a great opportunity for a best

RE: entries in outbound IMS queue - host unreachable

2001-08-15 Thread Byron Kennedy
Sorry, I'm not understanding completely, is this just one host (domain) or is it many domains? If it's just one or two then the problem is probably remote. can you connect to their mailer on port 25 as specified in DNS? tracert should not be relied upon as they may be filtering icmp ttl

RE: SSL Question

2001-08-13 Thread Byron Kennedy
But Ed wouldn't a VPN require transport or tunnel peering? This probably wouldn't be realistic from all locations. If all sessions are from administrable hosts then I'd agree that a vpn would be ideal. Maybe i'm missing something. more info would help. Rob, either way, given the cost and