Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?

2005-08-14 Thread Vaj
On Aug 14, 2005, at 3:08 AM, sparaig wrote: Should read the Scientific American online articles about multiverses.The first level multiverse is described below. There are 4 theoretical levels: I'll check that out, thanks! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?

2005-08-14 Thread Llundrub
Interesting note also about the Krishna bubble universes. Once in 1981? as I was walking up the road, away from the TMO-Kansas City Capital building, it was early dawn on a Sunday I think, and I saw Krishna with his flute in a subtle sight vision. I ascribed it at the time to too many

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?

2005-08-13 Thread Llundrub
Seems like a mixture of both to me. He's not bound by codes of conduct, although he's very rigid regarding the purity of the teaching. He works for the betterment of the world, but it could be argued that his efforts are not entirely selfless. My belief is that he's very

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?

2005-08-13 Thread Peter
--- TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip My belief is that he's very dualistic. Gotta agree with Llundrub on this one. There's always someone to blame for either the state of the world or for some failed plan. And it's never him. That's just the hat he's wearing for

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?

2005-08-13 Thread Peter
--- TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My belief is that he's very dualistic. Gotta agree with Llundrub on this one. There's always someone to blame for either the state of the world or for some failed plan. And it's never him. That's just the hat he's wearing

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?

2005-08-13 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi? on 8/13/04 7:47 AM, Llundrub at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -There's no sense of original purity of which we partake, there's just a -we must purify the world- approach. That's not very advaita

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?

2005-08-13 Thread Peter
--- jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One apparently cannot determine the state of consciousness of another from their actions; probably given the observer/observed uncertainty one can never adequately

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?

2005-08-13 Thread Llundrub
That's just the hat he's wearing for the party.-Peter Do you know who is throwing the party? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?

2005-08-13 Thread Peter
snip Kind of makes me wish I had gone to MIU; this analogy just came to me a few years ago when I was thinking about the relationship between Brahman and the classic seven states of consciousness :-) Akasha, you would have been right at home with all the philosophy majors. It was

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?

2005-08-13 Thread Vaj
On Aug 13, 2005, at 4:31 PM, akasha_108 wrote: Einstein and other relativity theorists, used a similar double cone to explain the time/space continuum and called the negative space Elsewhere. As most MIU core course students may remember from the physics courses. Itzhak Bentov also used

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?

2005-08-13 Thread Vaj
On Aug 13, 2005, at 4:39 PM, Rory Goff wrote: Good question! I would say offhand that the double cone is actually the central core of a torus (the Hiranyagarbha-field), which in turn is one of the countless Krishna-bubbles or Universes, and so on...:-) Have you read the myth of Er in

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?

2005-08-13 Thread Peter
--- akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Kind of makes me wish I had gone to MIU; this analogy just came to me a few years ago when I was thinking about the relationship between Brahman

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?

2005-08-13 Thread Llundrub
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi? of original purity of which we partake, there's just a -we must purify the world- approach. That's not very advaita. Moreover, remaking the world is not very advaita either. All of which leads

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?

2005-08-13 Thread Llundrub
One apparently cannot determine the state of consciousness of another from their actions; probably given the observer/observed uncertainty one can never adequately determine the state of consciousness of another, if one is not functioning at least from Brahman and willing to completely

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?

2005-08-13 Thread Llundrub
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 11:54 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" [EMAIL PROTECTED]... wrote: One apparently cannot determine the state of consciousness of an

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?

2005-08-13 Thread Llundrub
Yes, you can "experience" Unity, but you cannot "experience" Brahman -- Brahman experiences you :-)I spent many years doing Forest Academys where Maharishi and his white pundits talked about the distinction between unity and brahman, and the main point of difference was always having to do

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?

2005-08-13 Thread Vaj
On Aug 13, 2005, at 5:38 PM, Rory Goff wrote: He used the double-cone analogy? Oh yeah--took it to really the most experiential heights IMO. He also describes the macrocosmic hiranyagarbha in some detail. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?

2005-08-13 Thread Vaj
On Aug 13, 2005, at 5:41 PM, Rory Goff wrote: Yes, I recall learning a lot of this stuff amongst the Pythagoreans and Neoplatonists, but don't recall if I've read Plato's Republic. Many thanks, Vaj; I will keep my eyes open for it :-) Just do a web search for it plato myth of er. It's the

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?

2005-08-13 Thread Vaj
On Aug 13, 2005, at 6:11 PM, Rory Goff wrote: Cool. Bentov lives! :-) I just recently read parts of his daughters biography of Ben. Quite the man. There is also actually a quantum field theory based on the torus model of consciousness. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?

2005-08-13 Thread Llundrub
What is a "white pundit"?Is that anything like a "white Russian"?His non Indic pundits such as John Haeglen, Bevan Morris, etc etc etc... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?

2005-08-13 Thread Llundrub
Perhaps we could say Unity ripens the intimate identity between perceiver and the perceived, while allowing the essential I-thou relationship to remain relatively intact at the subtlest levels, while BC destroys all such relationships and indeed every opposite or duality into utter

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?

2005-08-13 Thread Vaj
On Aug 13, 2004, at 6:39 PM, Llundrub wrote: Perhaps we could say Unity ripens the intimate identity between perceiver and the perceived, while allowing the essential I-thou relationship to remain relatively intact at the subtlest levels, while BC destroys all such relationships and indeed

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?

2005-08-13 Thread Peter
--- akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Kind of makes me wish I

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?

2005-08-13 Thread Llundrub
It seems to me that all *anyone* does who speaks of the unspeakable, is "reifying some errant conceptuality," and yet I enjoyed reading of "reifications" like these when I thought myself on a path, and I enjoy playing with these "reifications" now when there is evidently no path. No

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?

2005-08-13 Thread Vaj
On Aug 13, 2005, at 7:47 PM, Rory Goff wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Until any of us stop casting shadows and our very normal intentions manifest as siddhis (which others will no doubt notice) we ain't there yet. snip Now *this* is what I would

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?

2005-08-13 Thread Llundrub
Don't hold back, Llundrub -- tell me what you *really* think :-)Seriously, did I inadvertently push some button when I compared the various states of consciousness to conic sections? Are you particularly attached to one of these states of consciousness, or something?-Sorry, once I got