On 9/13/05 8:07 PM, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That was my understanding. Was that not your meaning? If not, then you
must be referring to your views not being influenced by Bada Bing. If
this is the case, and you are denying the first option, then you seem
to be implying that
On 9/13/05 8:27 PM, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Is it kind of a struggle going in to these club, believing these clubs
are used for sex, where some dancers are drug addicts who work for
their fix and are exploited for sex by he owners, where the
exploitation of women who are
On 9/14/05 11:18 AM, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I apologize. I seem to have gotten off on the wrong foot. I am all for
discussion. And sharing impressions and views.
No apology necessary, all is well.
And I do feel there may be links to SCs and the global sex trade. And
gender
On 9/12/05 7:00 PM, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I know this is a fictional account, but I do believe in a large
number of cases it is an accurate picture, watch a couple of Soprano
episodes. The mob runs their act
On 9/12/05 7:09 PM, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm sorry, but the idea that in this day and age
there are still intelligent people who have to be
educated as to how strip clubs exploit women as
sex objects is just too depressing to contemplate.
Amen. It's almost not worth
On 9/12/05 7:57 PM, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As I have said, I am open to the possiblity that contemporary
dancers in modern US club are exploited, but I have yet to see any
compelling evidence of such. If there is such evidence in abundance, I
have been inept in finding it.
On 9/12/05 11:03 PM, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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It's interesting. the dark side of these people who
try to pass themselves
off as the latest guru. That tendency (to declare
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Exactly. Those who are reacting to strip clubs
as
negative are uncomfortable with their
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On 9/13/05 7:33 AM, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Vaj, I like you, but I have to wonder whether you have
actually ever *been* to a strip club.
Yes!
Yes, it's sad that our society is so sexually biased
that one of the only options women who don't want to
work for low pay have
Holsopple, Kelly. 1999. Stripclubs According to Strippers. Making the
Harm Visible: Global Sexual Exploitation of Women and Girls, eds. Donna
Hughes and Claire Roche, Kingston RI: Coalition Against Trafficking In
Women.
The Glamorous Life of the Stripper
Excerpted from a 1999 study by Kelly
This study supports the anecdotal experience of
several exotic dancer clients I've had. They all hated
the work, had very negative feelings toward men. They
only did it for the money and because it was quick and
offbook.
But is it exploitive? I see exploitation as a matter
of degree. Yes, it is a
Yes, Vaj and I used to hit the Pop-a-Top in Ottumwa.
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On 9/13/05 7:33 AM, TurquoiseB
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Vaj, I like you, but I have to wonder whether you
have
actually ever *been* to a strip club.
Yes!
Yes, it's sad that our
On 9/13/05 10:57 AM, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yes, Vaj and I used to hit the Pop-a-Top in Ottumwa.
That is, until I perfected the X-ray vision siddhi ;-)
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On 9/13/05 2:48 PM, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
John Lennon said it when he said Woman is the nigger of the world.
OK. So how does that make a case that US dancers, in modern clubs,
are exploited.
This seems
On 9/13/05 2:58 PM, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Nice dismissive answer. Now can you go beyond that and actually make a
factual, current data and/or observation case as to why strip clubs
exploit women as sex objects.
Read the brief study abstract I posted. If you don't get it after
On 9/13/05 3:16 PM, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And how does this directly link to observed, not hypothetical,
exploitation in exotic dance clubs? Be specific.
I've observed these trends over my life. One (hopefully) has some awareness
of what's going on around them--and some
On 9/13/05 3:21 PM, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have read it. I read it 2 years ago. I read it yesterdy before you
posted it. It is laughable. I will post why later.
OK...
If that article is how you got it, its getting all pretty clear that
you have little or no experience in
On 9/13/05 6:54 PM, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I don't frequent them. Very rarely. I am just stating that the ones I
have bben to are not the dens of inequity that you conjur up in your mind.
I never used that phrase, nor do I necessarily think of these clubs that
way. For me it's
On 9/13/05 7:01 PM, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This counters your prior statment that you had lots of empirical
experiecne in modern clubs.
Then please quote me where I made this alleged statement that I've had
lot's of empirical experience.
Yahoo!
On 9/12/05 3:53 PM, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This opens a question for inquiry, and I apply this to
myself, too. Why would such behavior on Charlie's part
bother us so much? He liked to look at naked women.
Okay I have known other people in the past that I
respect and
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--- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It's interesting. the dark side of these people
who
try to pass themselves
off as the latest guru. That tendency (to
declare
--- jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It's interesting. the dark side of these people
who
try to pass themselves
off as the latest guru. That tendency (to
declare
--- akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj
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On 9/12/05 4:59 PM, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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The other part of that question is how did
you
know it was true?
JohnY
I know!
If you knew
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snip
Strip clubs exploit women as sex objects.
Yes and no. I've had several clients who were
exotic
dancers and they absolutely
I know this is a fictional account, but I do believe in a large number of
cases it is an accurate picture, watch a couple of Soprano episodes. The mob
runs their act out of a north Jersey strip club called Bada Bing. This is
the local strip joint--not the upscale gentleman's clubs or the Moulin
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