On 9/13/05 2:48 PM, "akasha_108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>>> John Lennon said it when he said "Woman is the nigger of the world."
>>>
>>> OK. So how does that make a case that US dancers, in modern clubs,
> are exploited.
>>
>> This seems to be something you need to look into yourself if you
> have such questions.
>
>
> Being dismissive, doesn't really answer the question. When did Lennon
> say this? 1975? 30 years ago. Do you think its as true and relevant
> then as it is now?
Absolutely it is in a world scale. The events in the "Stan's" where 25% of
the female population were sold into prostitution and/or slavery are AFTER
that song, since the dissolution of the old Soviet Union.
>Is it an eternal truth?
One would hope not!
>Clearly I think no to both.
> If you want to critic modern society based on a 30 year old view, ok,
> but it does not seem so productive. 30 years ago there was much gender
> discrimination. I see much less today. No existent on some levels.
>
I some ways you are correct for the US for a few items. Women are still paid
less than men.
>>>> We claim to live in a country that idealizes equality--then how
> come half of congress aren't women?
>
>>> OK. Now I get you. Its a beautiful argument. US dancers, in modern
>>> clubs, are exploited because less than half of congress are not
>>> female. Ok I am indeed following you now!
>
>> No, it does not appear you are following me. Male dominance and
> control are key elements in the worldwide exploitation of women.
>
> And thus women in modern exotic dance clubs are exploited? I still
> don't see the link. Its a logical fallacy. Shemp uses it sometimes.
No, no, no. This is not trying to create a causal link between percentages
of women in congress and exploitation in strip clubs--it's talking about the
pervasiveness of inequality in a very patriarchal culture.
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