[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika

2006-03-16 Thread Mike Hutchinson
The Nazis REVERSED the original swastika, which is a symbol representing life, the Nazis reversed it's direction... I know that the swastika has positive connotations. It's on the Guru Dev picture that we all did puja to, but not very obvious. But I concur with

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-16 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 15, 2006, at 6:07 PM, sparaig wrote: Correct it does not describe the technique of manasika-japa/TM but merely defines mindfulness in a broad context of practice. Insomuch as TM involves awareness, then

[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika

2006-03-16 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/photos/view/2a72?b=1 So you're not familiar with the Hopi, Hindu, etc., symbol that the Nazis also used at one point? Where did you think Hitler got it? Do you think he

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-16 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 15, 2006, at 6:13 PM, authfriend wrote: I'm familiar with it in the context of the TM-Sidhis. Where is this official movement translation of the term to be found in the context of plain-vanilla TM? Steadiness

[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika

2006-03-16 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/photos/view/2a72?b=1 ...fits right in with the ol' damn the democracy quote... Same

[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika

2006-03-16 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, m2smart4u2000 no_reply@ wrote: I thought Hitler had a backwards swastika? Nope, Hitler's was right-facing, like this one. That his was backwards is apparently a myth:

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-16 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Mar 15, 2006, at 11:36 AM, sparaig wrote: Huh, but one can have the outward stroke

[FairfieldLife] Re: hypothetical responses of Gurus

2006-03-16 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hyperbolicgeometry hyperbolicgeometry@ wrote: --- Imaginary scenario...what are the responses of the Gurus?: A Guru is lecturing in a hall with devotees, when some

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-16 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In any style of meditation where you have an object of focus Which excludes TM, since TM doesn't involve focusing. In terms of process, it is the point you return to irregardless. Focus

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-16 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Mar 15, 2006, at 6:07 PM, sparaig wrote: You seemed to believe thatthat could NOT be a valid meditation session, or so your good luck with that

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-16 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Mar 15, 2006, at 11:36

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-16 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: [...] Except, of course, I'm only talking about TM. So? You have a *theory* as to what constitutes an effective meditation session. that *theory* just

[FairfieldLife] Non-light-emitting TMers

2006-03-16 Thread sparaig
Well, I guess you can now claim that TM leads to LESS enlightenment since TMers showed significantly fewer spontaneous emmissions of photons from their skin than non-TMers in this newly published study: http://www.liebertonline.com/doi/abs/10.1089/acm.2006.12.31 Journal of Alternative and

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-16 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip Just my two centimes...I'm just trying to suggest that there is room for people to believe different things about meditation and how it works.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika

2006-03-16 Thread hugheshugo
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Hutchinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Nazis REVERSED the original swastika, which is a symbol representing life, the Nazis reversed it's direction... I don't think they did reverse it, Hitler thought the 3rd reich would last forever so it

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-16 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Mar 15, 2006, at 6:07 PM, sparaig wrote: You seemed to believe thatthat could NOT

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-16 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip Just my two centimes...I'm just trying to suggest that there is room for

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-16 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: [...] Except, of course, I'm only talking about TM. So? You have a *theory* as to what

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-16 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Mar 15, 2006, at

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-16 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So you believe that you can separate yourself into an innocent practioner who disagrees with the explanation that any experience is valid during TM practice and a theoretician who does NOT believe this? SHould read:

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-16 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: [...] Except, of

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-16 Thread TurquoiseB
Which goes back to MY point that any theory that attempts to explain TM must preserve the anything goes/effortlessness nature of the technique, or it morphs into something else. No, it doesn't. One could still be practicing TM *exactly* as taught and believe what Vaj and I

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-16 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-16 Thread Robert Gimbel
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-16 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which goes back to MY point that any theory that attempts to explain TM must preserve the anything goes/effortlessness nature of the technique, or it morphs into something else. No, it doesn't. One

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-16 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-16 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-16 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: That doesn't say anything about the effectivness of the technique, though of

[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika

2006-03-16 Thread defenders_of_bhakti
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, m2smart4u2000 no_reply@ wrote: I thought Hitler had a backwards swastika? Nope, Hitler's was

[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika

2006-03-16 Thread Patrick Gillam
I thought the Nazis reversed the direction, too, but when I compared the swastika in my picture of Guru Dev to that of the Nazi's, the only difference was that the Nazi's rotated theirs 45 degrees. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: hypothetical responses of Gurus

2006-03-16 Thread defenders_of_bhakti
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Q: The guru is Frederick Lenz/Rama, and most of the students in the hall are black belts in some form of martial arts: A: Well, that was interesting...now that the police have taken those terrorist guys away to the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika

2006-03-16 Thread mrfishey2001
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dharma Mitra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's more to a swastika, more generally a yantra, than it being a symbol, icon or associative representation. Sadgurus come from time to time to refresh the siddha of yantras, including the swastika. It is an

[FairfieldLife] Re: New Sexy Sadie Story

2006-03-16 Thread Jason Spock
Maybe Ramtha himself can tell something about Maharishi. If Ramtha's GrandMother could come up with this kind of story, I wonder what Ramtha would cook up.? anonyff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 16:09:14 -Subject: [FairfieldLife] New Sexy Sadie StoryThe other

[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika

2006-03-16 Thread hermandan0
Just joined the group and am happy to contribute this little bit. I think this fellow has already got the lead on this issue.. :) http://www.manwoman.net/ Cheers. I asked you whether you think that it should be the TMO that takes the lead on this... So, let me ask you again: do you?

[FairfieldLife] Re: hypothetical responses of Gurus

2006-03-16 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defenders_of_bhakti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Q: The guru is Frederick Lenz/Rama, and most of the students in the hall are black belts in some form of martial arts: A: Well, that was

[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika

2006-03-16 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip I'm in favor of reclaiming it from Hitler and restore it to its original significance. I don't think he should be accorded the power to

[FairfieldLife] Re: hypothetical responses of Gurus

2006-03-16 Thread defenders_of_bhakti
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: se he could have said: A: Well, why don't you kill me right away, then I don't have to do it anymore myself. I'll become a marthyr instead of an lunatic suicider Look, dude...just for the record, you really

[FairfieldLife] Re: hypothetical responses of Gurus

2006-03-16 Thread defenders_of_bhakti
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defenders_of_bhakti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: se he could have said: A: Well, why don't you kill me right away, then I don't have to do it anymore myself. I'll become a marthyr

[FairfieldLife] Re: Peace Rally on Square Sunday March 19 Noon-1pm Jimmy Moore Concert

2006-03-16 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: snip Especially now, with nearly 70% opposed to Bush, the Demos are

[FairfieldLife] Re: hypothetical responses of Gurus

2006-03-16 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defenders_of_bhakti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: se he could have said: A: Well, why don't you kill me right away, then I don't have to do it anymore myself. I'll become a marthyr

[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika

2006-03-16 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Hutchinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Nazis REVERSED the original swastika, which is a symbol representing life, the Nazis reversed it's direction... Nope, they didn't. Look at the photo, then look at a Nazi swastika--both are right-facing.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-16 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Mar 15, 2006, at 7:00 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Mar 15, 2006, at 6:13 PM,

[FairfieldLife] Re: hypothetical responses of Gurus

2006-03-16 Thread Alex Stanley
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defenders_of_bhakti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And I don't like it, when one Guru is played out against the other, like: 'Hey my fathers dick is bigger, than your fathers'. Boy, are you hanging out on the wrong Yahoo group!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-16 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: In any style of meditation where you have an object of focus Which excludes TM, since TM doesn't involve focusing. In terms of

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-16 Thread Vaj
On Mar 16, 2006, at 10:13 AM, authfriend wrote: Note that to start with, Vaj had claimed that focus was the official movement translation of dharana. When I asked where this official translation was to be found, he switched to claiming steadiness was the term TMers used for dharana. When I

[FairfieldLife] Re: hypothetical responses of Gurus

2006-03-16 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defenders_of_bhakti no_reply@ wrote: And I don't like it, when one Guru is played out against the other, like: 'Hey my fathers dick is bigger, than your fathers'. Boy,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: hypothetical responses of Gurus

2006-03-16 Thread Rick Archer
on 3/16/06 12:37 AM, jyouells2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually I think Maharsihi would ask to be taken to the best surgeon/hospital available to have his fingers reattached - and that would be the most sensible action for all of the above. Also, those terrorist bandits would have a

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika

2006-03-16 Thread Rick Archer
on 3/16/06 12:55 AM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know that the swastika has positive connotations. It's on the Guru Dev picture that we all did puja to, but not very obvious. But I concur with Shemp's observation that displaying it prominently is a risky PR move. Kind of

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-16 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: That doesn't

[FairfieldLife] Re: New Sexy Sadie Story

2006-03-16 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe Ramtha himself can tell something about Maharishi. If Ramtha's GrandMother could come up with this kind of story, I wonder what Ramtha would cook up.? Yeah, I missed the Ramtha

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-16 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: hypothetical responses of Gurus

2006-03-16 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defenders_of_bhakti no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Q: The guru is Frederick Lenz/Rama, and most of the students in

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-16 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Mar 15, 2006, at 7:00 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-16 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-16 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] He may or may not be referring to dharana in this instance--I don't really care--it certainly fits experientially for those familiar with this state of steadiness and inner focus. However he clearly uses that word

[FairfieldLife] Re: hypothetical responses of Gurus

2006-03-16 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defenders_of_bhakti no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-16 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: Non-light-emitting TMers

2006-03-16 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I guess you can now claim that TM leads to LESS enlightenment since TMers showed significantly fewer spontaneous emmissions of photons from their skin than non-TMers in this newly published study: They ought to

[FairfieldLife] St. Bernadette

2006-03-16 Thread Rick Archer
http://monywa.org/only/lourdes.htm i hope i look this good when i'm 122 years old. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM

[FairfieldLife] Re: hypothetical responses of Gurus

2006-03-16 Thread defenders_of_bhakti
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 3/16/06 12:37 AM, jyouells2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually I think Maharsihi would ask to be taken to the best surgeon/hospital available to have his fingers reattached - and that would be the most

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-16 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip There's a difference. Believing in a different theory doesn't mean that the

[FairfieldLife] Re: St. Bernadette

2006-03-16 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://monywa.org/only/lourdes.htm i hope i look this good when i'm 122 years old. I saw Mary Magdalene's skull in a cathedral in the south of France. By comparison, Mary's definitely looked better than she does now.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-16 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: sure, whatever. But once you start assigning value judgements to one set of experiences over another, you're no longer practicing TM. Read my

[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika

2006-03-16 Thread defenders_of_bhakti
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 3/16/06 12:55 AM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know that the swastika has positive connotations. It's on the Guru Dev picture that we all did puja to, but not very obvious. But I concur with

[FairfieldLife] Re: Non-light-emitting TMers

2006-03-16 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: Well, I guess you can now claim that TM leads to LESS enlightenment since TMers showed significantly fewer spontaneous emmissions of photons from

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-16 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: [...] Except, of

[FairfieldLife] Re: hypothetical responses of Gurus

2006-03-16 Thread defenders_of_bhakti
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Second, did you miss the fact that my quote regarding Rama was a JOKE, appended to another JOKE? Why did you get so serious about it then? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-16 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: snip They don't have to accept ANY dogma about TM, but if they start assigning greater significance to one set of experiences over another, then by

[FairfieldLife] Re: St. Bernadette

2006-03-16 Thread defenders_of_bhakti
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://monywa.org/only/lourdes.htm i hope i look this good when i'm 122 years old. There are people who don't look as good when 122, but are still more alive. There are even many who don't look as good when they are

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-16 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip That's just your cult paranoia shining through. :-) Or yours. Well, dude...I'm not the one up at 3:44 a.m. ranting on the Internet,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-16 Thread Robert Gimbel
When the discussion started, the issue was (1). Vaj had claimed that TMATBMMY required effort. Lawson and I were disputing that claim. Vaj said: I like Asanga's definition of mindfulness which shows how appropriate the description is in regards to manasika-japa/TM: What is mindfulness?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika

2006-03-16 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip I'm in favor of reclaiming it from Hitler and restore it to

[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika

2006-03-16 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defenders_of_bhakti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 3/16/06 12:55 AM, shempmcgurk at shempmcgurk@ wrote: I know that the swastika has positive connotations. It's on the Guru

[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika

2006-03-16 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is not appropriate in MMY's and the TMO's case because they assert that they are a universal movement promoting a universal technique for everyone. In light of that, they must be sensitive to the effect certain

[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika

2006-03-16 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: snip I asked you whether you think that it should be the TMO that

[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika

2006-03-16 Thread defenders_of_bhakti
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is not appropriate in MMY's and the TMO's case because they assert that they are a universal movement promoting a universal technique for everyone. It hasn't been incorporated into the TM Loga yet, I suppose.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika

2006-03-16 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: It is not appropriate in MMY's and the TMO's case because they assert that they are a universal movement promoting a universal technique

[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika

2006-03-16 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika

2006-03-16 Thread Dharma Mitra
It truly seems that some of these messages, full of clarifying information for discreminating adults, is zooming right past the attention span of some. Here are some links shared in this thread, again: http://reclaimtheswastika.com/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-16 Thread defenders_of_bhakti
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We don't pound the mantra. We don't mind if the mantra fades or slips away. We take it as it comes. We don't mind if the mind is off on a thought; when we realize we are off on a thought, we quietly come back to

[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika

2006-03-16 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's foreplay? There is a British TV comedy series (sadly defunct) that I've come to love called Coupling. For some reason, Shemp's comment (and the comment recently about dick size) reminds me of a scene from one

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika

2006-03-16 Thread Dharma Mitra
Yes, Yes, Oh Yeee Don't stop, oh noo, don't stop, Yess, Noo, Ooohhh Yee!!! Uh, Aaahhh, Uuuuhh Ysss On 3/16/06, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's foreplay? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor

[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika

2006-03-16 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dharma Mitra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, Yes, Oh Yeee Don't stop, oh noo, don't stop, Yess, Noo, Ooohhh Yee!!! Uh, Aaahhh, Uuuuhh Ysss That's not foreplay; that's

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika

2006-03-16 Thread Rick Archer
on 3/16/06 12:00 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is not appropriate in MMY's and the TMO's case because they assert that they are a universal movement promoting a universal technique for everyone. In light of that, they must be sensitive to the effect certain symbols

[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika

2006-03-16 Thread defenders_of_bhakti
Thanks DM. I found this interesting: from Collation of Theosophical Glossaries: SWASTIKA As differentiated from the swavastika (or sauvastika), which is similar but which has its legs take off from the ends of the cross to the right, left-handed (motion), implying counter-clockwise direction --

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika

2006-03-16 Thread Dharma Mitra
Reading the posts that the links came with will clarify which direction is the most auspicious for those who take spiritual science literally and act upon and with the yantra. Petty flauntulosis is at the shallow end of a muudy pool, cessantly. On 3/16/06, defenders_of_bhakti [EMAIL

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-16 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel babajii_99@ wrote: [I wrote:] When the discussion started, the issue was (1). Vaj had claimed that TMATBMMY required effort. Lawson and I were

[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika

2006-03-16 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] Nah, I've lost interest. Your response is like a woman you're about to make love to who then insists upon going to the bathroom to do who knows what and she's in there for so long that the moment is ruined and the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-16 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defenders_of_bhakti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: We don't pound the mantra. We don't mind if the mantra fades or slips away. We take it as it comes. We don't mind if the mind is off on

[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika

2006-03-16 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dharma Mitra dharmamitra2@ wrote: Yes, Yes, Oh Yeee Don't stop, oh noo, don't stop, Yess, Noo, Ooohhh Yee!!! Uh, Aaahhh,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika

2006-03-16 Thread feste37
Having trouble in that area are you, Shemp? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your response is like a woman you're about to make love to who then insists upon going to the bathroom to do who knows what and she's in there for so long that the moment

[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika

2006-03-16 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: What's foreplay? There is a British TV comedy series (sadly defunct) that I've come to love called Coupling. For some reason, Shemp's

[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika

2006-03-16 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: What's foreplay? There is a British TV comedy series (sadly defunct) that I've come to love called Coupling. For some reason, Shemp's

[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika

2006-03-16 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: What's foreplay? There is a British TV comedy series (sadly defunct)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika

2006-03-16 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dharma Mitra dharmamitra2@ wrote: Yes, Yes, Oh Yeee Don't stop, oh noo, don't stop,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika

2006-03-16 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: What's

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-16 Thread defenders_of_bhakti
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Philisophical point: is it possible for someone in CC to practice anything OTHER THAN Transcendental Meditation? Completely depends on your definition of TM: If you define TM from the result, i.e. transcending, then he is

[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika

2006-03-16 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-16 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defenders_of_bhakti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: We don't pound the mantra. We don't mind if the mantra fades or slips away. We take it as it comes. We don't mind if the mind is off on

[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika

2006-03-16 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defenders_of_bhakti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks DM. I found this interesting: from Collation of Theosophical Glossaries: SWASTIKA As differentiated from the swavastika (or sauvastika), which is similar but which has its legs take off from the

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