[FairfieldLife] Vaj - read it and weep (was Re: Maharishi on Brahman)

2007-07-13 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willytex@ wrote: Amazingly cool, I guess, if that's what you want out of life is to nitpick with Judy and Rory about how Freddy levitated and

[FairfieldLife] Africa get dung, Al Gore gets carbon credits and the high life

2007-07-13 Thread shempmcgurk
From an editorial by an African named Kofi Bentil at AllAfrica.com: Few people in Africa will get to see Al Gore and his troupe of rock- star ecologists strutting their stuff during the series of Live Earth concerts this weekend -- because most have neither television nor electricity. That's

[FairfieldLife] 'Iraq- No Blame, No Shame...;'

2007-07-13 Thread Robert Gimbel
Why are we responsible for Shiites killing Sunnis. Both are against us, right? Isn't the enemy of our enemy our friend? So, let them have their bloody civil war. Why feel guilty about it. It's their culture, their problem. They have always acted like animals in Babylon, nothing new there.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Shankara on Yoga Sutras

2007-07-13 Thread Vaj
On Jul 12, 2007, at 10:27 PM, billy jim wrote: By the way, too bad we couldn't look deeper into the issue of advaita and madhyamaka. John Arapura, McMaster University has replicated Heidegger's quest for the origins of metaphysical recognition by examining the foundations of Vedanta and

[FairfieldLife] Founding Fathers were Deists, Skeptics, Free Thinkers-- Not dogmatic Christians

2007-07-13 Thread new . morning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/12/07 4:25:39 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The founding fathers were mostly Deists, not Christians. Yes, you are correct if you narrow the founding fathers down to one

[FairfieldLife] Vaj - read it and weep (was Re: Maharishi on Brahman)

2007-07-13 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And no, Judy's not the *least* bit pissed off, certainly not enough to go over the 35-post-per- week limit *yet again*. :-) While she can make any statement she wishes about her motivations here, I'm just suggesting

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Right wing extremists show bigotry against Hindus

2007-07-13 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 7/12/07 4:52:47 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: They are right. Read Deuteronomy and you will see the basis of our legal/moral system. Horseshit. Bwahahahahahaah! Is that the best you have? Try reading it, then read this link _RE-TAKING

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Founding Fathers were Deists, Skeptics, Free Thinkers...

2007-07-13 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 7/13/07 8:23:24 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Many thanks, New -- you've given me even more reason(s) to respect our founding fathers :-) Yes, As I said, the attempt now days is to redefine Founding Father to a few people, quite literally,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Founding Fathers were Deists, Skeptics, Free Thinkers-- N...

2007-07-13 Thread MDixon6569
Lets see, you have quotes from Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, James Madison and John Adams, all of which can be contradicted by other quotes. How about the rest of the 55. As far as Washington refusing to receive sacraments of the church, it is still a belief among many Christians

[FairfieldLife] Re: Founding Fathers were Deists, Skeptics, Free Thinkers-- Not dogmatic Christians

2007-07-13 Thread Rory Goff
Many thanks, New -- you've given me even more reason(s) to respect our founding fathers :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 7/12/07 4:25:39 P.M. Central Daylight

[FairfieldLife] Re: Shankara on Yoga Sutras

2007-07-13 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, billy jim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rory, Yeh, I've heard pretty good things about FF, the place. Somehow I've been thinking more about FF over the past few months, perhaps because I've received some remarkably advanced teachings into the ultimate

[FairfieldLife] Vaj - read it and weep (was Re: Maharishi on Brahman)

2007-07-13 Thread new . morning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With all love and respect, Barry, I think your last line is correct -- it is all just me :-) Which is all just part of you, Rory -- (if that is still part of your current story). So Barry seeing limitations in Judy, is

[FairfieldLife] Re: Shankara on Yoga Sutras

2007-07-13 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, billy jim emptybill@ wrote: As a side note here, my interest in this forum is simply to assay the state of mind of some of fairfield's own meditators. I don't know if this forum is representative or not, since I only know a few people now

[FairfieldLife] 'Beijing, July 11- Iran Nuclear Crisis'

2007-07-13 Thread Robert Gimbel
U.S. sends 3rd carrier to Gulf, denies build-up

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Right wing extremists show bigotry against Hindus

2007-07-13 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 7/12/07 4:25:39 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The founding fathers were mostly Deists, not Christians. Yes, you are correct if you narrow the founding fathers down to one or two persons. The overwhelming majority that signed the Declaration

[FairfieldLife] Re: Founding Fathers were Deists, Skeptics, Free Thinkers-- Not dogmatic Christi

2007-07-13 Thread curtisdeltablues
Excellent list of quotes, thanks. I read a book about how far our religious map has shifted now in America with new religious influences. It is kind of amazing that our country's founders set up a system that can even work for a culture they did not live in, a deeply pluralistic religious

[FairfieldLife] Re: Founding Fathers were Deists, Skeptics, Free Thinkers-- Not dogmatic Christi

2007-07-13 Thread shempmcgurk
What we need is a religion of peace. Anyone know of such a religion? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Excellent list of quotes, thanks. I read a book about how far our religious map has shifted now in America with new religious influences.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Founding Fathers were Deists, Skeptics, Free Thinkers-- N...

2007-07-13 Thread new . morning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lets see, you have quotes from Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, James Madison and John Adams, all of which can be contradicted by other quotes. Just how ambiguous do you think the following quotes are!!?? I do not find

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Shankara on Yoga Sutras

2007-07-13 Thread Vaj
On Jul 13, 2007, at 12:56 AM, billy jim wrote: What strikes me about these advanced teachings is the direct access that they give to the field of pure awareness for tm or sahaj meditators. It has caused me to realize that tm is not a prepratory training for more advanced yogic pracitices.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Founding Fathers were Deists, Skeptics, Free Thinkers...

2007-07-13 Thread new . morning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/13/07 8:23:24 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Many thanks, New -- you've given me even more reason(s) to respect our founding fathers :-) Yes, As I said, the attempt now

[FairfieldLife] 'View of Iraq Invasion in China'

2007-07-13 Thread Robert Gimbel
White House releases mixed assessment report on Iraq

[FairfieldLife] Re: Right wing extremists show bigotry against Hindus

2007-07-13 Thread do.rflex
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/12/07 4:52:47 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: They are right. Read Deuteronomy and you will see the basis of our legal/moral system. Horseshit. Bwahahahahahaah! Is

[FairfieldLife] Vaj - read it and weep (was Re: Maharishi on Brahman)

2007-07-13 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff rorygoff@ wrote: With all love and respect, Barry, I think your last line is correct -- it is all just me :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which is all just part of you, Rory -- (if that

[FairfieldLife] Re: Right wing extremists show bigotry against Hindus

2007-07-13 Thread curtisdeltablues
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 7/12/07 4:52:47 P.M. Central Daylight Time, do.rflex@ writes: They are right. Read Deuteronomy and you will see the basis of our

[FairfieldLife] Re: Founding Fathers were Deists, Skeptics, Free Thinkers-- N...

2007-07-13 Thread new . morning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Portraits and carvings in the Capital, Supreme Court and National Achieves depict religious services, and events as well as Moses and the Ten Commandments, repeatedly. I thought the purpose of these was to remind us of how

[FairfieldLife] Vaj - read it and weep (was Re: Maharishi on Brahman)

2007-07-13 Thread Rory Goff
BTW, I *love* this part below; as far as I can see it is absolutely True -- though I don't see why you call it an alternative story -- I think it's essentially what I've been saying :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Of course it would be a hoot

[FairfieldLife] Re: Founding Fathers were Deists, Skeptics, Free Thinkers-- N...

2007-07-13 Thread new . morning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lets see, you have quotes from Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, James Madison and John Adams, all of which can be contradicted by other quotes. How about the rest of the 55. Well, your figures are wrong (Or maybe mine

[FairfieldLife] Re: Founding Fathers were Deists, Skeptics, Free Thinkers-- Not dogmatic Christi

2007-07-13 Thread curtisdeltablues
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What we need is a religion of peace. Anyone know of such a religion? If you change peace to piece of ass then I can hook you up. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@

[FairfieldLife] Maharishi's submersion and Guru Dev (was Re: An example of love as attachment)

2007-07-13 Thread new . morning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Empty, I have been catching up on your posts. I like them. This topic is intersting. Some cosideration: 1) Yogananda wrote of his teacher returning to earth plane, from his new role as teacher on causal planes helping

[FairfieldLife] Re: Founding Fathers were Deists, Skeptics, Free Thinkers-- N...

2007-07-13 Thread do.rflex
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lets see, you have quotes from Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, James Madison and John Adams, all of which can be contradicted by other quotes. How about the rest of the 55. As far as Washington refusing to receive

[FairfieldLife] Re: Right wing extremists show bigotry against Hindus

2007-07-13 Thread new . morning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/12/07 4:25:39 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The founding fathers were mostly Deists, not Christians. Yes, you are correct if you narrow the founding fathers down to one

[FairfieldLife] Re: Right wing extremists show bigotry against Hindus

2007-07-13 Thread do.rflex
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/12/07 4:25:39 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The founding fathers were mostly Deists, not Christians. Yes, you are correct if you narrow the founding fathers down to one

[FairfieldLife] Vaj - read it and weep (was Re: Maharishi on Brahman)

2007-07-13 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BTW, I *love* this part below; as far as I can see it is absolutely True -- though I don't see why you call it an alternative story -- I think it's essentially what I've been saying :-) --- In

[FairfieldLife] Meditation won't help Health according NIH

2007-07-13 Thread sgrayatlarge
Oops! THURSDAY, July 12 (HealthDay News) -- There's no evidence that meditation eases health problems, according to an exhaustive review of the accumulated data by Canadian researchers. There is an enormous amount of interest in using meditation as a form of therapy to cope with a variety

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Founding Fathers were Deists, Skeptics, Free Thinkers...

2007-07-13 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 7/13/07 9:06:53 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yes, As I said, the attempt now days is to redefine Founding Father to a few people, quite literally, usually less than a half a dozen. Ah, in just an hour or two you have gone from 1 to 6. I see

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Founding Fathers were Deists, Skeptics, Free Thinkers...

2007-07-13 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 7/13/07 9:10:34 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Lets see, you have quotes from Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, James Madison and John Adams, all of which can be contradicted by other quotes. Just how ambiguous do you think the following

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Founding Fathers were Deists, Skeptics, Free Thinkers...

2007-07-13 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 7/13/07 9:10:52 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What we need is a religion of peace. Anyone know of such a religion? Oh, for sure, they call it Islam. ** Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL at

[FairfieldLife] Re: Founding Fathers were Deists, Skeptics, Free Thinkers...

2007-07-13 Thread do.rflex
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/13/07 9:06:53 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yes, As I said, the attempt now days is to redefine Founding Father to a few people, quite literally, usually less than a half a

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Founding Fathers were Deists, Skeptics, Free Thinkers...

2007-07-13 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 7/13/07 9:18:57 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, your figures are wrong (Or maybe mine are) but below there were 39 signers of Constitution and 56 of DvI. Many of whom were NOT the same. The firebrand revolutionaries moved on before the

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Right wing extremists show bigotry against Hindus

2007-07-13 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 7/13/07 9:32:56 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion. I never said it was founded on the Christian religion. It was founded on Christian principles which are

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Founding Fathers were Deists, Skeptics, Free Thinkers...

2007-07-13 Thread Vaj
On Jul 13, 2007, at 11:59 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: n a message dated 7/13/07 9:10:52 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What we need is a religion of peace. Anyone know of such a religion? Oh, for sure, they call it Islam. Yes, but according to the scholars in the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Right wing extremists show bigotry against Hindus

2007-07-13 Thread do.rflex
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/13/07 9:32:56 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion. I never said it was founded on the

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Founding Fathers were Deists, Skeptics, Free Thinkers...

2007-07-13 Thread Vaj
On Jul 13, 2007, at 12:06 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ahem, Free Masons can believe in any Divine Being they wish as long as they believe in one. Most of my male relatives were Free Masons as well as Baptists, Methodists, Church of Christ or Presbyterian. Being a Free Mason doesn't mean

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Founding Fathers were Deists, Skeptics, Free Thinkers...

2007-07-13 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 7/13/07 9:46:06 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The notion that our laws originated from the Ten Commandments is very popular. And very wrong. No not just the Ten Commandments, but the Laws of Moses, some 613 in all. Nor did I say they

[FairfieldLife] Re: Shankara on Yoga Sutras

2007-07-13 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, billy jim emptybill@ wrote: As a side note here, my interest in this forum is simply to assay the state of mind of some of fairfield's own meditators. I don't know

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Right wing extremists show bigotry against Hindus

2007-07-13 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 7/13/07 9:39:59 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Supreme Court as well as other government buildings are covered with pictures and carvings of Moses and the Ten Commandments, not Vyasa and the Gita or Mohammed and the Koran. Well, let's see:

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Right wing extremists show bigotry against Hindus

2007-07-13 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 7/13/07 9:50:50 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Are we off the hook for getting stoned for adultery yet? I am inquiring for a...um...a friend. I mean if she's totally eyeballing you, I mean him, my friend, and she is crazy hot. (MILF) Not

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Founding Fathers were Deists, Skeptics, Free Thinkers...

2007-07-13 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 7/13/07 9:53:20 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Portraits and carvings in the Capital, Supreme Court and National Achieves depict religious services, and events as well as Moses and the Ten Commandments, repeatedly. I thought the purpose of

[FairfieldLife] Re: Right wing extremists show bigotry against Hindus

2007-07-13 Thread do.rflex
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/13/07 9:39:59 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Supreme Court as well as other government buildings are covered with pictures and carvings of Moses and the Ten Commandments,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Founding Fathers were Deists, Skeptics, Free Thinkers...

2007-07-13 Thread do.rflex
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/13/07 9:46:06 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The notion that our laws originated from the Ten Commandments is very popular. And very wrong. No not just the Ten

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Right wing extremists show bigotry against Hindus

2007-07-13 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 7/13/07 10:02:08 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And this whole line of argument is pretty funny. This worship of 250 year old authority figures seems so odd -- given that the founding fathers main message seemed to be: seems is the key word

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Right wing extremists show bigotry against Hindus

2007-07-13 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 7/13/07 10:02:08 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't know much about christian fundamentalists At least we can agree on something. ** Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL at

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Founding Fathers were Deists, Skeptics, Free Thinkers...

2007-07-13 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 7/13/07 11:04:45 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Nope. Deuteronomy describes a theocracy, not a democracy. The founding fathers wanted nothing to do with a theocracy. Sorry our laws, both criminal and civil are modeled based on much of what is

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Right wing extremists show bigotry against Hindus

2007-07-13 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 7/13/07 11:42:45 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It was founded on Christian principles which are common to the Christian/Judaic culture. I see very little, if any, Islamic, Hindu,Buddhist influence in our laws and government. Yet our laws

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Founding Fathers were Deists, Skeptics, Free Thinkers...

2007-07-13 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 7/13/07 11:37:05 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: n a message dated 7/13/07 9:10:52 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What we need is a religion of peace. Anyone know of such a religion? Oh, for sure, they call it

[FairfieldLife] Re: Right wing extremists show bigotry against Hindus

2007-07-13 Thread boo_lives
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 7/12/07 4:52:47 P.M. Central Daylight Time, do.rflex@ writes: They are right. Read Deuteronomy and you will see the basis of our

[FairfieldLife] Re: Right wing extremists show bigotry against Hindus

2007-07-13 Thread do.rflex
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boo_lives [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 7/12/07 4:52:47 P.M. Central Daylight Time, do.rflex@ writes:

[FairfieldLife] Re: Founding Fathers were Deists, Skeptics, Free Thinkers...

2007-07-13 Thread do.rflex
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/13/07 11:04:45 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Nope. Deuteronomy describes a theocracy, not a democracy. The founding fathers wanted nothing to do with a theocracy. Sorry

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Right wing extremists show bigotry against Hindus

2007-07-13 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 7/13/07 11:59:37 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Deuteronomy describes a theocracy. The USA is not a theocracy or anything like the system in Deuteronomy - by any stretch of the imagination. Try reading the laws of Moses and see if our laws, both

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Founding Fathers were Deists, Skeptics, Free Thinkers...

2007-07-13 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 7/13/07 12:02:40 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Deuteronomy clearly describes a theocracy. The USA is clearly not a theocracy and the founding fathers made certain that it wasn't. Deuteronomy also describes the laws which people were to live by.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Right wing extremists show bigotry against Hindus

2007-07-13 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 7/13/07 12:19:39 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Whether the founding fathers were christians or hindus is not relevant. You don't look at the walls of buildings to determine the founding fathers' views of gov't and religion, you read the

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Founding Fathers were Deists, Skeptics, Free Thinkers...

2007-07-13 Thread Vaj
On Jul 13, 2007, at 1:14 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/13/07 11:37:05 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: n a message dated 7/13/07 9:10:52 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What we need is a religion of peace. Anyone know of such

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Founding Fathers were Deists, Skeptics, Free Thinkers...

2007-07-13 Thread Vaj
On Jul 13, 2007, at 1:33 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/13/07 12:02:40 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Deuteronomy clearly describes a theocracy. The USA is clearly not a theocracy and the founding fathers made certain that it wasn't. Deuteronomy also

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Right wing extremists show bigotry against Hindus

2007-07-13 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 7/13/07 12:09:57 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Whether the founding fathers were christians or hindus is not relevant. You don't look at the walls of buildings to determine the founding fathers' views of gov't and religion, you read the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Right wing extremists show bigotry against Hindus

2007-07-13 Thread do.rflex
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/13/07 11:59:37 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Deuteronomy describes a theocracy. The USA is not a theocracy or anything like the system in Deuteronomy - by any stretch of the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Right wing extremists show bigotry against Hindus

2007-07-13 Thread do.rflex
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/13/07 11:42:45 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It was founded on Christian principles which are common to the Christian/Judaic culture. I see very little, if any, Islamic,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Right wing extremists show bigotry against Hindus

2007-07-13 Thread do.rflex
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/13/07 12:19:39 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Whether the founding fathers were christians or hindus is not relevant. You don't look at the walls of buildings to determine the

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Founding Fathers were Deists, Skeptics, Free Thinkers...

2007-07-13 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 7/13/07 12:31:49 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The brief notes that the U.S. Constitution lacks even a perfunctory or formalistic reference to God and says during the debate over ratification of that document, delegates discussed Roman law,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Founding Fathers were Deists, Skeptics, Free Thinkers...

2007-07-13 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 7/13/07 12:49:14 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Bingo! Kill all the infidels and then you have peace. Oh but wait, you have Sunni/Shiite conflicts to settle with the sword. Are you doubting the word of Allah?! :-) Hey when they finish,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Founding Fathers were Deists, Skeptics, Free Thinkers...

2007-07-13 Thread do.rflex
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/13/07 12:02:40 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Deuteronomy clearly describes a theocracy. The USA is clearly not a theocracy and the founding fathers made certain that it wasn't.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Shankara on Yoga Sutras

2007-07-13 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just a gentle reminder that I find exactly the same thing out here in the real world- no stress, no negativity, all light and cooperation and love, just as evident here as it is anywhere else! Help! I'm turning into

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Founding Fathers were Deists, Skeptics, Free Thinkers...

2007-07-13 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 7/13/07 12:51:01 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Deuteronomy also describes the laws which people were to live by. They included criminal and civil. I would suggest that while you are correct in general, the real basis for our gov't is the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Founding Fathers were Deists, Skeptics, Free Thinkers...

2007-07-13 Thread do.rflex
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/13/07 12:31:49 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The brief notes that the U.S. Constitution lacks even a perfunctory or formalistic reference to God and says during the debate over

[FairfieldLife] Re: Shankara on Yoga Sutras

2007-07-13 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: Just a gentle reminder that I find exactly the same thing out here in the real world- no stress, no negativity, all light and cooperation and

[FairfieldLife] Fear disguised as wisdom (was Re: Levitation on youtube)

2007-07-13 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] Just a clarification for those of us who have missed the boat forever, is the boat wanking-free? And this is considered progress and fulfillment? Why is wanking always the fall guy? Most undeserved

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Right wing extremists show bigotry against Hindus

2007-07-13 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 7/13/07 12:56:24 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Moore lost his case based on a false assumption of a separation of church and state which was perpetuated since the late 1940's by the then Supreme Court. Wrong. In effect, the US Constitution

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Right wing extremists show bigotry against Hindus

2007-07-13 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 7/13/07 12:56:24 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If all men by nature are equally free and independent,If all m be considered as retaining an equal right to free exercise of religion, according to dictates of conscience. While we assert for

[FairfieldLife] Re: Founding Fathers were Deists, Skeptics, Free Thinkers...

2007-07-13 Thread do.rflex
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/13/07 12:51:01 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Deuteronomy also describes the laws which people were to live by. They included criminal and civil. I would suggest

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Right wing extremists show bigotry against Hindus

2007-07-13 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 7/13/07 12:59:51 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As I've already cited, US laws are not based on Biblical laws. You were wrong and so were your sources. Also realize I'm not saying every law we have is found in the Bible.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Founding Fathers were Deists, Skeptics, Free Thinkers...

2007-07-13 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 7/13/07 1:00:38 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There are countless sources for laws. Deuteronomy is not one of them for US law. the blue Laws, Sodomy, Adultery and many of our restitution laws are Biblically based.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Founding Fathers were Deists, Skeptics, Free Thinkers...

2007-07-13 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 7/13/07 1:54:21 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No, but the Declaration of Independence does and various state constitutions did refer to a Deity. This also refers to the ratification of the Constitution, not its writing which was partially

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Right wing extremists show bigotry against Hindus

2007-07-13 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 7/13/07 1:05:10 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No specific laws were created by the founding fathers that were specifically based only on Christian laws. only is the only thing you have going here. Thou shalt not Steal, thou shalt not Murder,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Right wing extremists show bigotry against Hindus

2007-07-13 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] The Constitution does contradict the separation of Church and state as it is currently applied. Try reading the first amendment. The congress shall make no law establishing nor prohibiting the free exercise of

[FairfieldLife] Re: Founding Fathers were Deists, Skeptics, Free Thinkers...

2007-07-13 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/13/07 1:00:38 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There are countless sources for laws. Deuteronomy is not one of them for US law. the blue Laws, Sodomy, Adultery and many of

[FairfieldLife] Re: Founding Fathers were Deists, Skeptics, Free Thinkers...

2007-07-13 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] Apparently Moses was a real law-abiding guy. Here's how Moses followed God's law: Under God's direction, Moses' army defeats the Midianites. They kill all the adult males, but take the women and children

[FairfieldLife] Re: Right wing extremists show bigotry against Hindus

2007-07-13 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: only is the only thing you have going here. Thou shalt not Steal, thou shalt not Murder, thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not bare False witness. Thou shalt not get so out of control defending Christians that thou

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Right wing extremists show bigotry against Hindus

2007-07-13 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 7/13/07 3:09:06 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: only is the only thing you have going here. Thou shalt not Steal, thou shalt not Murder, thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not bare False witness. Thou shalt not get so out of control

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Right wing extremists show bigotry against Hindus

2007-07-13 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 7/13/07 2:54:17 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Constitution does contradict the separation of Church and state as it is currently applied. Try reading the first amendment. The congress shall make no law establishing nor prohibiting the

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Founding Fathers were Deists, Skeptics, Free Thinkers...

2007-07-13 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 7/13/07 2:20:14 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Apparently Moses was a real law-abiding guy. Here's how Moses followed God's law: Under God's direction, Moses' army defeats the Midianites. They kill all the adult males, but take the women and

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Founding Fathers were Deists, Skeptics, Free Thinkers...

2007-07-13 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 7/13/07 2:56:54 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Isn't it correct that the original constitution which declared slaves 3/5th (or something like that) men was based upon the Bible? Not to my knowledge. That was a political move based on

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Founding Fathers were Deists, Skeptics, Free Thinkers...

2007-07-13 Thread Vaj
On Jul 13, 2007, at 3:43 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/13/07 1:54:21 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No, but the Declaration of Independence does and various state constitutions did refer to a Deity. This also refers to the ratification of the

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Founding Fathers were Deists, Skeptics, Free Thinkers...

2007-07-13 Thread Vaj
On Jul 13, 2007, at 3:25 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/13/07 1:00:38 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There are countless sources for laws. Deuteronomy is not one of them for US law. the blue Laws, Sodomy, Adultery and many of our restitution laws

[FairfieldLife] Re: Right wing extremists show bigotry against Hindus

2007-07-13 Thread do.rflex
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/13/07 12:56:24 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Moore lost his case based on a false assumption of a separation of church and state which was perpetuated since the late 1940's

[FairfieldLife] Re: Right wing extremists show bigotry against Hindus

2007-07-13 Thread do.rflex
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/13/07 12:59:51 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As I've already cited, US laws are not based on Biblical laws. You were wrong and so were your sources. LOL! What a smug

[FairfieldLife] Re: Right wing extremists show bigotry against Hindus

2007-07-13 Thread do.rflex
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/13/07 1:05:10 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No specific laws were created by the founding fathers that were specifically based only on Christian laws. only is the only

[FairfieldLife] Re: Founding Fathers were Deists, Skeptics, Free Thinkers...

2007-07-13 Thread do.rflex
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/13/07 1:00:38 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There are countless sources for laws. Deuteronomy is not one of them for US law. the blue Laws, Sodomy, Adultery and many of

[FairfieldLife] Re: Founding Fathers were Deists, Skeptics, Free Thinkers...

2007-07-13 Thread do.rflex
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/13/07 2:20:14 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Apparently Moses was a real law-abiding guy. Here's how Moses followed God's law: Under God's direction, Moses' army defeats the

[FairfieldLife] Quiet Zone Update

2007-07-13 Thread Rick Archer
Dear Quiet Zonies (as we will forever be known), The big news is that things seem to be going very well. I want to thank all of you because it is your support that has brought us to the brink of success. Even though there is a lot more to do we are rapidly moving towards getting a quiet zone!

[FairfieldLife] Maharishi's submersion and Guru Dev (was Re: An example of love as attachment)

2007-07-13 Thread emptybill
New morn, Thanks for your reply and encouragement. There seems to be much support among later advaita teachers (ie. after Shankara) for the idea of the sheer freedom of the fully liberated being from any constrainsts whatsoever. They call this state videha mukti or bodiless liberation.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Shankara on Yoga Sutras

2007-07-13 Thread tertonzeno
---I don't get it. How about that young girl in Iraq who got her legs blown off? In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: Just a gentle reminder that I find exactly the same thing out here

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