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svaadiShThayaa madiShThayaa pavasva soma dhaarayaa |
indraaya paatave sutaH || {9}{001}{01}
rakShohaa vishvacarShaNir abhi yonim ayohatam |
druNaa sadhastham aasadat || {9}{001}{02}
varivodhaatamo bhava maMhiShTho vRtrahantamaH
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I have confidence, based on my experience with the centerpiece of
Vedic culture (TM), that Maharishi's revival of Vedic wisdom (the
Ayurveda and Soma-explaining content of which he handed off to
Chopra) is
www.ivu.org/congress/wvc57/maharishi.html]
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[[1. All what is that? 2. All this is what?
and Nelson wrote [[And whose on third? [snip] relativly irrelevant
to me.]]
** its all tit for tat!
om ta-da!..
rudrani
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Mark wrote [[Sure, that sounds reasonable enough, but no less of a
reason to seek out its identity.]]
** oh .. that is not my intent. i have loads of info on soma ..
fascinating subject. my conclusion, through the years, is that it
is - as i wrote in my origional comments - both an
This is an excerpt of an interview Amma gave to the number one
weekly magazine in India, The Week, in September 2003.
Interview/Mata Amritanandamayi/My karma is to console
By C. Sujit Chandra Kumar
Your biography says you converted water to panchamritham (sweet
dish).
I don't think of it
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Some nutjob trying to get back at the movement for some reason. More
conspiracy theory lunacy .
Well which is it? - either you believe it's some nutjob who did it or
you don't believe it happened. That it
Paul Mason wrote:
My own Self as Representatives of East and West!
Extracted from Maharishi's address to the 15th session of the World
Vegetarian Congress held at Madras on 30 November 1957
Allegedly 'taken from a Canadian Publication from the early 1960s'
?Does anyone know what
Too long to post here.
http://users.primushost.com/~india/ejvs/ejvs0901/ejvs0901e.txt
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Peter S. wrote [[The only soma I've experienced has been internal.
It's the source of the bodily bliss from spiritual practices.]]
** i agree, however, i am also inclined to think, based on the
literature available, there is more to it than that.
i just sent a post off listing all the
Rudra Joe wrote [[sounds like you're teaching like most other sadhus
for money and residence.]]
** well, what sounds like is not like.
i dont ask for anything, mostly i give. the 'societal construct' i
mentioned was already explained in another post.
om peace!..
rudrani
To
The only problem with Vedism is that it is a
priestly religion for the elite, and so the average person can't relate to it.
It's merely worship without whatever awareness evolution might come from that
great word gnosis. The great thing about yoga which surely preceeded Vedism is
that it
You just don't like anyone do ya?What about neo
Zhang Zhung Nyan Gyud??Anyway he was talking about a more powerful
reality than a tradition. The power of that which underlies matter. Matter
is a thin crust of reality on a vast ocean of
intelligence.My wife takes the crust off. I like
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"rudra_joe" [EMAIL PROTECTED]...
wrote: To think that one is only what they are born into is
fatalistic and inhuman. To think that Jesus the Jew shaped his
philosophy and love for all of humankind merely on the tenets of his fathers
was like saying
http://www.aaskolnick.com/junkyarddog/rumpledeerskin.htm
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I agree with you that it is more than just produced in
our bodies by we lame-ass yogis/yoginis. That's only
one aspect of it. I've also experienced soma
flowing/spraying into the environment through the
senses. Almost like the sense was working in reverse.
-Peter
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Only if it's fun.
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Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: soma
.. was: New Vedic Translation?
Mark wrote [[Sure, that sounds reasonable enough,
but no less of a
reason to seek out its
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You are a brave and smart man, Rick.
You may also enjoy this site
Re: Vedanta
i may get whose-who confused here but the intents the same.
Peter S. wrote [[I've also experienced soma flowing/spraying into
the environment through the senses. Almost like the sense was
working in reverse.]]
i think this was Mark [[Instead of consciousness flowing out, as
it were, to the
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Gurus-Egos (was Re: Another Amma post (to a different group) by my friend)
Lupidus states as proven fact, far-fetched claims for which he has no concrete evidence. Sure sign of a fundamentalist who finds pseudo-security in an imaginary world.
on 3/14/05 10:10 AM,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rudrani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[[1. All what is that? 2. All this is what?
and Nelson wrote [[And whose on third? [snip] relativly irrelevant
to me.]]
** its all tit for tat!
om ta-da!..
rudrani
+ This theory was disproved many years
Peter Sutphen writes:
Interesting. The subject-object dynamics of the senses
don't seem to remain the same as you move from gross
to subtle. Do the senses project the objects of
their experience? You can transcend with your eyes
open thinking about this stuff!
-Peter
Tom T:
The interesting
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thanks¹ RJ. I was off skiing yesterday,
Where did you go? Fun Valley? http://www.skifunvalley.com/
Alex
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Some nutjob trying to get back at the movement for some reason.
More
conspiracy theory lunacy .
Well which is it?
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To think that one is only what they are born into is fatalistic
and inhuman. To think that Jesus the Jew shaped his philosophy
and
love
Re: ephedra with cannabis
I guess you could call that a Vedic speedball.
The only upper/downer combo I'm familiar with is caffeine and
alcohol, and I must admit getting wired on black coffee before
getting hammered drunk is quite a thrill ride.
Alex, sober 9+ years
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Peter Sutphen wrote:
I agree with you that it is more than just produced in
our bodies by we lame-ass yogis/yoginis. That's only
one aspect of it. I've also experienced soma
flowing/spraying into the environment through the
senses. Almost like the sense was working in reverse.
-Peter
I've
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svaadiShThayaa madiShThayaa pavasva soma dhaarayaa |
svaadiShThayaa: svaadu (sweet); svaadhiShTha : superlative
(sweetest); svaadiSTha-yaa: instrumental
When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth
and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers and for a
time they seem invincible but in the end, they always fall - think of it,
ALWAYS.
Mahatma Gandhi
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To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: New
Vedic Translation? Euphedra
---
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mark robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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One of
the
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There is also a longstanding tradition that cannabis sativa is the
soma plant. No firm
opinion here.
While evidence may be scant, there are some interesting parallels. It
is prescribed that bhang be made with milk, and
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wrote:
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You didn't answer my question. What is your direct
personal experience with Punditji to come to such a
conclusion?
-Peter
If I had seen Mr. Shankar regularily for years, would that make you
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If I had seen Mr. Shankar regularily for years, would that make you
satisfied ? Why should I give you any details whatsoever of my
experiences with Ravi
voga citta vritti nirodaha. yoga is cessation of
the tendencies of the mind. nirvana. cessation. you figure it out.
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Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Atman vs
lupidus wrote [[Or with real saints like Maharishi, Muktananda, Amma
or Shri Chimnoy for that matter .. ]]
** and Ma Yoga Shakti.
om Mataji!..
rudrani
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On Mar 14, 2005, at 5:02 PM, rudra_joe wrote:
voga citta vritti nirodaha. yoga is cessation of the tendencies of the
mind. nirvana. cessation. you figure it out.
Naw, mere cessation won't cut it. Sure way to get rebirth in a formless
realm.
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Actually the difference is practical only for the
mind at first when one is on the path. Because at that point one can immerse the
mind in samadhi and yet when returning to the daily life nothing has changed and
one keeps making the same mistakes and still one can't seem to get it just
Rick asked [[What makes these people real saints as opposed
to Mr. Shankar?]]
** aside from being recognized as having spiritual traits, such as,
but not limited to: all embracing compassion, love wisdom, there
is an organization, like the Vatican for example, that acknowledges
bestows
On Mar 14, 2005, at 1:50 PM, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis wrote:
We were given the tools in our Sidhi
practice. The objective was not to really learn how to fly but to be
able to fully function once we woke up. Cool! Another master stroke
by a true Master. If you knew the real reason
Comments and questions below:
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You didn't answer my question. What is your
direct
personal experience with Punditji to come to
such a
conclusion?
-Peter
If I had seen Mr. Shankar regularily for years,
would that make you
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Actually the difference is practical only for the mind at first when
one is on the path. Because at that point one can immerse the mind in
samadhi and yet when returning to the daily life nothing has changed
and one keeps
--- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mar 14, 2005, at 1:50 PM,
tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis wrote:
We were given the tools in our Sidhi
practice. The objective was not to really learn
how to fly but to be
able to fully function once we woke up. Cool!
Another master stroke
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mark robert [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
_
SNIP
Bob,
It's nice that you can have so much faith in those who claim to
know Soma without supplying a sound Vedic foundation. I mean
the
problem is the contrary evidence present in Vedic
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I visited Amma's Indian ashram - part I
on 3/13/05 1:51 PM, akasha_108 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Rick,
What are you thoughts on these and related posts?
As I read through these Amma posts Im going to respond to some of them by posting some things written
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Hi Bob:
When soma has done its job, and Brahman/Unity Consciousness is
gained, then the body produces amrita, the nectar of immortality,
which allows one to live forever in that body if desired.
What is
On Mar 14, 2005, at 6:34 PM, Peter Sutphen wrote:
The TM-siddhi program is a powerful, powerful
technique that fosters awareness of Self through the
buddhi/intellect. It pulls Self into awareness in
the pauses between sutras. The mind begins to
spontaneously discriminate between the points
on 3/13/05 2:02 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Frankly, the only part that surprised me personally was the misrepresentation
of the
charitable activities, which I now accept as a possibility but not as a proven
thing. This will
shake out for awhile and eventually I will
Bob supplied [[ http://www.trancenet.org/secrets/soma/ ]]
** hhhmm .. ok. two things: first, it sounds like vampirism;
second, whats wrong w/being a religion? why the court action?
om peace!..
rudrani
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Bob supplied [[ http://www.trancenet.org/secrets/soma/ ]]
** hhhmm .. ok. two things: first, it sounds like vampirism;
second, whats wrong w/being a religion? why the court action?
om peace!..
rudrani
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Brigante
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I have confidence, based on my experience with the centerpiece of
Vedic culture (TM), that Maharishi's revival of Vedic wisdom (the
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mark robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
_
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To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: New Vedic Translation? Euphedra
--- In
Vaj writes: re Sidhi practice
I still use it, you can integrate it, I don't feel any need to reject
it as a practice. But it cannot lead to UC. Well maybe Unity Andy...;-)
Tom T:
Well actually the Sidhi practice might lead to a minute or two in
Unity and then the entire weight of the practice
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If so, you are definitely suggesting
links to Soma. I mean, the Rig Veda is/was the origin of the
word. No other definition of Soma that came later could possibly
be more accurate.
I am not sure why oldest is best.
On Mar 14, 2005, at 8:10 PM, akasha_108 wrote:
Are you under the impression that Soma only existed in Rig Veda times?
I don't know that it did or did not, though I speculate that it has
been formulated in its outer form at various times through the ages.
Well there is a very old tradition
rudrani wrote regarding http://www.trancenet.org/secrets/soma:
it sounds like vampirism
What's cool is to be a TMing Christian. You eat the body
and blood of Christ when you take communion, and Indra
drinks the soma you produce in meditation. To the extent
that the communion bread and
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Easyone wrote
Bob
You have clearly shown the complete surrender of your own opinion,
reasoning, thought
and well, I guess everything to M and whoever else meets your
requirements for being
in the know. Does this restrict itself to
On Mar 14, 2005, at 5:18 PM, rudra_joe wrote:
However, tantra is like drinking poison, once started the mind and
personality dissolve and someone if they really were materialists can
feel like hell. It takes the having sex on a corpse in a graveyard
mentality for Bhairava and Chandi
snip
Ephedra is the Mua hang plant used in Chinese medicene. It basically
counter acts Kapha and is excellent for people with breathing
disorders ie mucus and colds. It helps in weight loss and therefore
I bought out the market before it became illegal to sell. I find
that caffiene has a
They woke me up.
-Peter
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Really? I must have been doing the wrong
sutras--most of the time they
just put me to sleep. I have a friend who goes to
the the dome mainly
because she says it's still a great place to
sleep--she stays awake
half the
On Mar 14, 2005, at 9:44 PM, m2smart4u2000 wrote:
Ephedra is the Mua hang plant used in Chinese medicene. It basically
counter acts Kapha and is excellent for people with breathing
disorders ie mucus and colds. It helps in weight loss and therefore
I bought out the market before it became
Seems to me I remember hearing that if the Master says to sweep the hut
out, then you sweep it out. And when that's done, if he says sweep it
out again, you do it. If he's the Master, you just do it and don't make
a deal of it. If he's not YOUR Master, then why are you involved in a
This is my best post EVER !
Worth reading all the way!
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To think that one is only what they are born into is
fatalistic
and inhuman. To think that Jesus the Jew shaped his philosophy
and
love for all of
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Amma's former swami speaks
I have no facts to counter these claims. My only comment is that every announcement Ive ever heard about the hospital mentioned that a percentage of the patients received free or subsidized coverage. I never heard it announced or implied
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To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: New
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akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If so, you
are
on 3/13/05 3:03 PM, at_man_and_brahman at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Any guru who prefaces public statements
with my children... loses me pretty quickly.
Karunamayi uses the phrase My babies.
I don't have any deep knowledge of Amma's
gig, but the very distant view I have is of a
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Regarding the Amma posts
on 3/13/05 4:13 PM, off_world_beings at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I also question the ethics of any of the various
gurus who have set up outposts (or inposts)
in Fairfield. If they truly respected Maharishi,
I think they would
on 3/13/05 4:52 PM, easyone200 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
off_world_beings wrote
Question to you LB: If I went to the Dalai Lama's ashram , or to
some Tibetan monestary, or to a Hindu Temple complex, and started
getting wayward followers into my own personal 'movement', how would
you
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Regarding the Amma posts
on 3/13/05 5:12 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Second thing: In Rishikesh you find, more often than not, ashrams located side-by-side
and in groups. In most of them, no one gets upset if the sannyasis take a few
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Regarding the Amma posts
on 3/13/05 5:00 PM, at_man_and_brahman at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
By putting FFL out of business, I
plainly meant that competitive forces
have the potential to solve a great
many problems that this group
expends tremendous energy
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Regarding the Amma posts
on 3/13/05 6:17 PM, at_man_and_brahman at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If so, great, and I stand corrected.
Various posts to FFL have led me
to believe that Amma, for instance,
makes periodic visits to Mount
Pleasant
This summer (July 3
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Regarding the Amma posts
on 3/13/05 6:40 PM, off_world_beings at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It would be funny if all TM'rs left Fairfield suddenly. Fairfield
would be a deadzone nowhere place. Even many non-meditators would
leave eventually.
All that would be
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on 3/13/05 3:03 PM, at_man_and_brahman at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Any guru who prefaces public statements
with my children... loses me pretty quickly.
Karunamayi uses the phrase My babies.
Yuck.
I
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on 3/13/05 6:17 PM, at_man_and_brahman at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
If so, great, and I stand corrected.
Various posts to FFL have led me
to believe that Amma, for instance,
makes periodic visits to Mount
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on 3/13/05 6:40 PM, off_world_beings at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It would be funny if all TM'rs left Fairfield suddenly. Fairfield
would be a deadzone nowhere place. Even many non-meditators would
leave
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Regarding the Amma posts
on 3/14/05 10:54 PM, at_man_and_brahman at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Karunamayi uses the phrase My babies.
Yuck.
Some find it endearing.
I posted that story. I heard it anecdotally. The saints referred to were
Maharishi and
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Regarding the Amma posts
on 3/14/05 11:03 PM, at_man_and_brahman at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think that the acid test is whether anyone moves
into the community to be a part of the GSC who has
no connection or interest in Maharishi World.
I don't know. Does
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This is my best post EVER !
Worth reading all the way!
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To think that one is only what they are born into is
fatalistic
Title: More comments from the Amma chat list
It wouldn't surprise me if some of Amma's more rabidly Hindutva
followers have engaged in harsh wars of words with her critics -- you
know, fighting the good fight against the forces of darkness,
Arjuna-style -- but whether Amma or even her senior
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on 3/14/05 10:54 PM, at_man_and_brahman at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Karunamayi uses the phrase My babies.
Yuck.
Some find it endearing.
double yuck
I posted that story. I heard it anecdotally.
There is also a longstanding tradition that cannabis sativa is
the soma plant. No firm opinion here.L B S---Nah, never
heard that and I've spent years at the Shroomery, Bluelight, Nanooks, and so on
you get the idea. The plant most often thought of as soma is the beautiful
amanita. Of
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Regarding the Amma posts
on 3/14/05 11:37 PM, at_man_and_brahman at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The don't, of course. It's just that I get the
idea that at least RS offers up words of respect.
Of course, he hasn't set up a Fairfield ashram
nor visited the
Title: DailyPage_10
March 15, 2005 - See the
Truth
The most common of all
follies is to believe passionately in the obviously not true. it is
the chief occupation of mankind.
H. L.
Don't make me hiccough.
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From:
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To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 4:31
PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Gurus-Egos (was
Re: Another Amma post (to a different group) by my friend)
I've seen enough.And; Guru
Love it, saw Shakti Kundalini right after I was
initiated into TM. She was a black three and a half coiled snake, and she had
been sleeping but then she raised her head and hissed and a stream of white
smoke came out, and she fell away and I floated off in my mind which then filled
up and
I don't have any deep knowledge of Amma's
gig, but the very distant view I have is of a
pretentious attitude toward those who
approach her. As I recall, for instance,
someone here quoted her as having
commented on Maharishi and Muktananda
that she created them. Whoa.
I posted
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