[FairfieldLife] Re: Begging money and charity

2006-01-25 Thread TurquoiseB
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wrote:

 Yes, the whole concept of people living in supposedly rarified 
 spiritual environments supported by others turns out to be quite a 
 lie, in the case of the 'P' or 'MD' groups, for example. I like 
 what 
 Rick said about being more comfortable about the Trappist model, 
 delivering bread and stuff. And I have no problem whatsoever with 
 someone choosing to live a monastic life.
 
 Its just that we have all heard of liberated beings doing whatever 
 they choose to do, and it surely wasn't their habits that got them 
 there, or prevented their liberation.
 
 It is a dreamy and sugary thought to associate some sort of gentle 
 pious life with liberation, but in fact there is no connection at 
 all. None.
 
 I have grown the most spiritually by doing *exactly* what I choose 
 to, whether that meant smoking or drinking or eating meat or 
 contemplating such actions.
 
 All of this false piety leads to suffering in many cases, and does 
 no good whatsoever, because it doesn't resolve the bonds of 
 attachment, it only strengthens them through denial. Resolve 
 attachment through transcendence, not denial.
 
 So as the phrase says-- eat, drink and be merry, for tomorrow we 
 die.

Well said.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's forecast for 2006

2006-01-25 Thread TurquoiseB
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 Rick Archer wrote:
 
 This may already have been posted:
  
 Maharishi's forecast for 2006
 Global Press Conference, 28.12.05
 
 MAHARISHI: I see the destruction of the destroyers
 - whatever little they may have remained. I see the
 dawn of a new fortune for mankind. I see human race
 rising to a level of enlightenment, full of knowledge,
 in tune with the Constitution of the Universe which
 administers the universe with perfect order and always
 perfect order and always perfect order.
 
 It is not my wish (only). With the grace of Guru Dev,
 with the grace of the Vedic tradition, the eternal
 light of the constitution of the world is being
 brought to the human awareness now and I have counted
 these very important
 countries in the world (Switzerland, Denmark, Germany,
 Holland) to be rising in dignity and shaking off the
 slavery to foreign powers. Whatever may be the
 foreign power. But now all these countries will be the
 shining star in the family of nations to guide the
 destiny of the rest of the countries in the world. It
 is not a wish. It is being brought about by the arrow
 of knowledge that has left the bow and is going to
 purify the world 
 consciousness.
 
 ...The arrow has been shot. The arrow has left the
 bow and it is hitting the target. The arrow has
 left the bow and it is hitting the target. It does
 not depend on anyone to do it or not.. The arrow
 has left the bow and it is going to do the magic for
 the world very soon.. The arrow has left the bow
 and it is beyond anyone to stop the arrow hitting the
 target.

 The first paragraph sounds like it was borrowed from a Microsoft 
 commercial. :)

The repetition of words and phrases that he 
likes the sound of is nothing new for Maharishi,
but *is* starting to sound fighteningly like
senility. It's like Department of Redundancy
Dept. public speaking -- it's not good enough 
to say it once; he gets so enamored of the
phrase that he has to say it over and over.







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[FairfieldLife] Shankara's supreme commentary on Giitaa 13.13

2006-01-25 Thread cardemaister

Especially the phrase an_aadimat paraM brahma
which Vaishnavites, I believe,(e.g. Hare Krishnas)
prefer to read like this: an_aadi matparaM brahma.


English Translation of Sri Sankaracharya's Sanskrit Commentary - 
Swami Gambhirananda 

13.13 Pravaksyami, I shall speak of, fully describe just as it is; 
tat, that; yat, which; is jenyam, to be known. In order to interest 
the hearer through inducement, the Lord speaks of what its result is: 
Jnatva, by realizing; yat, which Knowable; asnute, one attains; 
amrtam, Immortality, i.e.; he does not die again. Anadimat, without 
beginning-one having a beginning (adi) is adimat; one not having a 
beginning is anadimat. What is that? The param, supreme, 
unsurpassable; brahma, Brahman, which is under discussion as the 
Knowable. Here, some split up the phrase anadimatparam as anadi and 
matparam because, if the word anadimat is taken as a Bahuvrihi 
compound, ['That which has no (an), beginning (adi) is anadi.' Matup 
(PaaNinian technical grammatical term for the ending 'mat'? -- 
carde) is used to denote possession. Since the idea of possession is  
already implied in anadi, therefore matup, if added after it, becomes 
redundant.] then the suffix mat (matup) becomes redundant, which is 
undesirable. And they show a distintive meaning: (Brahman is anadi, 
beginningless, and is) matparam, that of which I am the supreme 
(para) power called Vasudeva. Trully, the redundance could be avoided 
in this way if that meanig were possible. But that meaning is not 
possible, because what is intended is to make Brahman known only 
through a negation of all attributes by saying, 'It is called neither 
being nor non-being.' It is contradictory to show a possession of a 
distinctive power and to negate attributes. Therefore, although matup 
and a bahuvrihi compound convey the same meaning of 'possession', its 
(matup's) use is for completing the verse. [The Commentator accepts 
anadimat as a nan-tatpurusa compund. If, however, the Bahuvrihi is 
insisted on, then the mat after anadi should be taken as completing 
the number of syllables needed for versification. So, nat need not be 
compounded with param.] Having aroused an interest through inducement 
by saying, 'The Knowable which has Immortality as its result is 
beeing spoken of by Me,' the Lord says: Tat, that Knowable; ucyate, 
is called; na sat, neither being; nor is it called asat, non-being. 
Objection: After strongly girding up the loins and declaring with a 
loud voice, 'I shall speak of the Knowable,' is it not incongruous to 
say, 'That is called neither being nor non-being'? Reply: No. What 
has been said is surely consistent. Objection: How? Reply: For in all 
the Upanisads, the Knowable, i.e. Brahman, has been indicated only by 
negation of all attributes-'Not this, not this' (Br. 4.4.22), 'Not 
gross, not subtle' (op. cit. 3.3.8), etc.; but not as 'That is this', 
for It is beyond speech. Objection: Is it not that a thing which 
cannot be expressed by the word 'being' does not exist? Like-wise, if 
the Knowable cannot be expressed by the word 'being', It does not 
exist. And it is contradictory to say, 'It is the Knowable', and 'It 
cannot be expressed by the word being.' Counter-objection: As to 
that, no that It does not exist, because It is not the object of the 
idea, 'It is non-being.' Objection: Do not all cognitions verily 
involve the idea of being or non-being? This being so, the Knowable 
should either be an object of a cognition involving the idea of 
existence, or it should be an object of a cognition involving the 
idea of non-existence. Reply: No, because, by virtue of Its being 
super-sensuous, It is not an object of cognition involving either, of 
the two ideas. Indeed, any object perceivable by the senses, such as 
pot etc., can be either an object of cognition involving the idea of 
existence, or it can be an object of cognition involving the idea of 
non-existence. But this Knowable, being supersensuous and known from 
the scriptures, which are the sole means of (Its) knowledge, is not, 
like pot etc., an object of cognition involving either of the two 
ideas. Therefore It is called neither being nor non-being. As for 
your objection that it is contradictory to say, 'It is the Knowable, 
but it is neither called being nor non-being,'-it is not 
contradictory; for the Upanisad says, 'That (Brahman) is surely 
different from the known and, again, It is above the unknown' (Ke. 
1.4). Objection: May it not be that even the Upanisad is 
contradictory in its meaning? May it not be (contradictory) as it is 
when, after beginning with the topic of a shed for a sacrifice, 
[Cf. 'Pracinavamsam karoti, he constructs (i.e. shall construct) (the 
sacrificial shed) with its supporting beam turned east-ward' (Tai, 
Sam.; also see Sanskrit-English Dictionary, Monier Williams).-Tr.] it 
is said, 'Who indeed knows whether there exists anything in the other 
world or not!' (Tai. Sam. 6.1.1)? Reply: No, since 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Begging money and charity

2006-01-25 Thread Patrick Gillam
 --- jim_flanegin wrote:
 
  It is a dreamy and sugary thought to associate some sort of gentle 
  pious life with liberation, but in fact there is no connection at 
  all. None.

Gentle, pious living has helped me enormously in the past, 
so I don't discount its value. But I can't say as it liberated me, 
so I'm not really countering what you say, Jim.

In truth, after a few years of gentle, pious living in a reclusive 
environment healed some problems that held me back, I was 
chomping at the bit to get out and do the householder thing.

That said, the rationale behind giving to Purusha that's been  
pitched to me is not, Help me become enlightened, but rather, 
 Help maintain a group of yogis who enliven the unified field for 
the benefit of all.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] India: Mirror of Truth

2006-01-25 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] India: Mirror of Truth





HI Rick, please forward to FFL

Dear Peter,

The memoir is a faithful account of people and events from my India
experience. That said, Keshava is a pseudonym for a Himalayan saint that
asked me not to use his real name. There are other pseudonyms in the book as
well. Darula Ashram is one; used because the ashram where I stayed is not
open to the public.

Although some stories go back 25 years, I've done my best to recount them as
they happened. Unfortunately, I've already learned that the episode of David
and the train accident (1982) wasn't totally accurate. On page 99, I wrote,
an outing that was not approved. A friend of David's who was with us in
Germany informed me that the trip was approved, and that David went to
Koblenz, not Bonn. Both errors have been corrected in the most recent
printing at considerable expense to the author. If more surface, I'll do my
best to correct them.

Since plunging into writing the book over two years ago, I've only visited
FFL a couple times. At present, I'm at the computer six hours a day working
on another book and try to avoid being in front of the screen unless
necessary. Although I welcome questions about Mirror of Truth, I am
reluctant to leap into the FFL fray. I'll do my best to answer questions
posted to the email address on the back jacket of the book.

Steve Briggs





on 1/24/06 6:41 PM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

It seemed like an encounter with a yogi who had perfected the illusory body. You really can't tell them (in many ways) from an encounter with a physical person. Yet there is, on reflection,  elements that reveal otherwise. I had the same impression as those where I met beings in illusory bodies. This would be different from a subtle experience although they are said to require a subtler perception to see--nonetheless they appear, external, in what seems waking state!

The story of the yogin above Jyotir Math was also remarkable for the technique he taught--it is a well known technique from the oldest known Shaivite text, described perfectly but simply.

On Jan 24, 2006, at 2:55 PM, Peter wrote:


For some reason the story of Kevasha seemed to
 

stand-out in some way from the rest of the stories.
 

It was almost as if Steve was talking about a subtle
 

experience rather than a concrete conversation with a
 

yogi in the gross physical. I'm curious what Steve's
 

rersponse will be if he cares to answer. And if you do
 

read this, Steve, I greatly enjoyed your book.
 



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[FairfieldLife] Ron's Birthday

2006-01-25 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Ron's Birthday





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Ron's Birthday

2006-01-25 Thread Marek Reavis
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Begging money and charity

2006-01-25 Thread jim_flanegin
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snip I still believe that long periods of time spent meditating are 
wonderful.Everyone should 
 have that chance for a few months in a lifetime. 

Yes, absolutely!






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Begging money and charity

2006-01-25 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam 
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  --- jim_flanegin wrote:
  
   It is a dreamy and sugary thought to associate some sort of 
gentle 
   pious life with liberation, but in fact there is no connection 
at 
   all. None.
 
 Gentle, pious living has helped me enormously in the past, 
 so I don't discount its value. But I can't say as it liberated me, 
 so I'm not really countering what you say, Jim.
 
 In truth, after a few years of gentle, pious living in a reclusive 
 environment healed some problems that held me back, I was 
 chomping at the bit to get out and do the householder thing.
 
 That said, the rationale behind giving to Purusha that's been  
 pitched to me is not, Help me become enlightened, but rather, 
  Help maintain a group of yogis who enliven the unified field for 
 the benefit of all.

Thanks for the thoughtful response to what I said. I agree with most 
of it. As to whether the benefit of the P group is for all, I am 
skeptical. It begs the question, 'what *isn't* for the benefit of 
all?'. Can't think of anything...






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Begging money and charity

2006-01-25 Thread TurquoiseB
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  I still believe that long periods of time spent meditating are 
  wonderful.Everyone should have that chance for a few months 
  in a lifetime. 
 
 Yes, absolutely!

Gotta agree. Wonderful experience...not to be missed...







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Begging money and charity

2006-01-25 Thread Peter


--- wayback71 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



 
 I still believe that long periods of time spent
 meditating are wonderful.Everyone should 
 have that chance for a few months in a lifetime. I
 treasure the time I spent on long TM 
 courses like teacher training or ATR's or courses. I
 think the traditional Tibetan culture 
 pretty much allowed for that for all young men- say
 several years duriing a young man's 
 early 20's.  How that was funded I don't know - but
 the bread baking, jellymaking, 
 weaving type of work might be a good idea for MD and
 Purusha who are so inclined. Many 
 are now getting older, though. Are they provided
 with any health insurance?  I wonder if 
 they will find social security enough to get by
 (assuming they have contributed for a 
 while).

Knowing the compassionate history of the TMO I doubt
very much if there are any health benefits in place or
any sort of retirement account. 



 
 
 
 
 
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Begging money and charity

2006-01-25 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- jim_flanegin wrote:

 As to whether the benefit of the P group is for all, I am 
 skeptical. It begs the question, 'what *isn't* for the benefit of 
 all?'. Can't think of anything...

Second-hand cigarette smoke?

Regardless, you have a fortunate point of view! 

I don't discount the Purusha point of view because I  
subscribe to the notion of collective consciousness I picked 
up from Maharishi. That perspective allows for a subtle, unseen 
influence on relative life as a whole. It's mystical, I admit, 
but I have no reason to dump it. (Maybe people will suggest a 
few reasons following this post.)

The collective consciousness theory allows for individuals 
and groups to raise collective consciousness higher in
ways that show up in the relative world.

For example, my neighbor once had to drive an hour and 
half into Boston to get organic meat. Now it's available 
down the road at the local supermarket. That shift in 
public demand may be attributed to rising collective 
consciousness, which may in turn be attributed to a 
spiritual awakening that many groups like to say is 
happening.

Salads at McDonald's are another example. Reduced 
exposure to second-hand cigarette smoke is another.

Are the Purushites superfluous? I kind of hope so, 
given the paucity of their numbers. But I'm not ready
to dismiss their influence, either. 






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[FairfieldLife] Brandon Teena Story and Fairfield connection

2006-01-25 Thread shempmcgurk
Just saw the documentary on DVD of the Brandon Teena Story which the 
movie Boys Don't Cry was based upon.

However, unlike the movie, in real life, there was a third person 
murdered in the farm house: an African-American named Phillip Devine.

What is curious about Devine is that he listed his address as 
being Fairfield, Iowa.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: TM bonds -- too good to be true?

2006-01-25 Thread sparaig
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http://tinyurl.com/czjm4

Bob Brigante
http://geocities.com/bbrigante/updates2006.html
   
   
   
   I weep.
  
  Is there scope here for someone to 
  end up in prison?
  Uns.
 
 
 Some wide-eyed innocent kid from California was murdered because 
 this organisation didn't want to skewer their Maharishi Effect 
 stats...no one went to prison for that...no one will go to prison 
 for this, either...


That's overly harsh. Someone died because they didn't have policies in place to 
handle that 
kind of person because they'd never seen them before in the MUM student body.







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's forecast for 2006

2006-01-25 Thread Bhairitu
TurquoiseB wrote:

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  

Rick Archer wrote:



This may already have been posted:

Maharishi's forecast for 2006
Global Press Conference, 28.12.05

MAHARISHI: I see the destruction of the destroyers
- whatever little they may have remained. I see the
dawn of a new fortune for mankind. I see human race
rising to a level of enlightenment, full of knowledge,
in tune with the Constitution of the Universe which
administers the universe with perfect order and always
perfect order and always perfect order.

It is not my wish (only). With the grace of Guru Dev,
with the grace of the Vedic tradition, the eternal
light of the constitution of the world is being
brought to the human awareness now and I have counted
these very important
countries in the world (Switzerland, Denmark, Germany,
Holland) to be rising in dignity and shaking off the
slavery to foreign powers. Whatever may be the
foreign power. But now all these countries will be the
shining star in the family of nations to guide the
destiny of the rest of the countries in the world. It
is not a wish. It is being brought about by the arrow
of knowledge that has left the bow and is going to
purify the world 
consciousness.

...The arrow has been shot. The arrow has left the
bow and it is hitting the target. The arrow has
left the bow and it is hitting the target. It does
not depend on anyone to do it or not.. The arrow
has left the bow and it is going to do the magic for
the world very soon.. The arrow has left the bow
and it is beyond anyone to stop the arrow hitting the
target.
  

The first paragraph sounds like it was borrowed from a Microsoft 
commercial. :)



The repetition of words and phrases that he 
likes the sound of is nothing new for Maharishi,
but *is* starting to sound fighteningly like
senility. It's like Department of Redundancy
Dept. public speaking -- it's not good enough 
to say it once; he gets so enamored of the
phrase that he has to say it over and over.
  

You probably don't see the Microsoft commercials in France that I'm 
talking about but they're awful.  It's we see (insert name) building a 
hat business or something like that with some white line drawings 
overlaid on an empty building space.  It has to turn off anyone with 
brains and must appeal to the stupid which is a big market in America.  
Thing is back in August they started a different campaign that was much 
better but lasted only about a month.  My bet is these stinking ads are 
Melinda's idea.

So of course when I read the first paragraph of MMY's I immediately 
started laughing.   Didn't he borrow the redundancy thing from 
Goebbels?  Rove did.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Op-Ed on Spiritual Pollution of High-Density Hog Farms

2006-01-25 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Regarding the more numerous fundamentalist christians,
   the Old T declares both sodomy and eating shellfish to be
   abominations, right in the same paragraph, 
  
  
  Leviticus, chapter 18
  
 
  1: And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
  2: Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, I am the 
 LORD
  your God.
[...]
all be cut off from among their people.
  30: Therefore shall ye keep mine ordinance, that ye commit not any 
 one
  of these abominable customs, which were committed before you, and 
 that
  ye defile not yourselves therein: I am the LORD your God.
 
 
 ...yeah, but what does it say about Big Macs?


Cheese and beef, a big no-no. Even a plain hamburer is on bread made with 
milk...





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[FairfieldLife] Re: TM bonds -- too good to be true?

2006-01-25 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   
  In a message dated 1/17/06 3:01:08 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
   I  weep.
  
  When you've been dealing with brainwashed Yes-men
  for 40  years, you come to believe you can say
  almost anything and promise almost  anything and
  people will believe it.
  
  
  
  I guess some could weep, but then don't you think M would be a  
 great villain 
  in an Austin Powers movie?
 
 
 The Yes-Men are the villains...
 
 Isn't there SOMEONE around him willing to say: Hey, Maharishi, can 
 we get around to teaching TM sometime soon so we can spiritually 
 regenerate the world?
 
 Eye on the prize, please.


Fruits of action alone...






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Again India does it

2006-01-25 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 sparaig wrote:
  How many of these are from judy or myself?
 
 Mone - most of them were posted by John Manning, Barry Wright, and 
 Steve Perino, your pals over on Usenet. 
 


H, I get along with John OK, and I generally ignore Barry's diatribes, but 
Steve Perino?






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Sidhas Welcome barbecue sign

2006-01-25 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  
  There was a web URL called PETA.org, which stood for that. PETA (the 
  othere one) won a court battle for the URL.
 
 The guy who owned peta.org was none other than anti-TMer, Mike
 Doughney, owner of http://minet.org/
 
 Alex


Now, now. He's not REALLY anti-TM. That's just your biased perception, etc...







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Again India does it

2006-01-25 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  

   Indians are the world's biggest copy-cats.  India's greatest 
 Super-hero, Shaktimaan is a 
combination of Superman and Flash-Gordon.


Superman is a Jewish superhero taken from the myth of the gollem, and invented 
to fight 
Nazis in the comics during WWII. The Flash is a copy of Superman who has only 
one of 
Superman's superpower.

Hero with a Thousand Faces and all that...





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Happy January 12th

2006-01-25 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  
   As a teacher I admired once said so aptly, It's
   a DOS planet.
  
  Maharishi as Steve Jobs, aka Reality Distortion Field?
 
 Maharishi wouldn't know DOS if it snuck up and bit
 him on the ass, much less be able to use it to create
 a spiritual metaphor.  No, this was a considerably 
 more computer-literate teacher.  :-)


I wasn't referring to MMY as the one making the quote, was merely pointing out 
that people 
deal with Steve Jobs like they do with MMY and they both deal with reality as 
something to be 
molded around their whims. Of course, MMY isn't as materially sucessful as 
Steve Jobs...





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Op-Ed on Spiritual Pollution of High-Density Hog Farms

2006-01-25 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Regarding the more numerous fundamentalist christians,
   the Old T declares both sodomy and eating shellfish to be
   abominations, right in the same paragraph, 
  
  
  Leviticus, chapter 18
  
 
  1: And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
  2: Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, I am the 
 LORD
  your God.
 
 I believe sometime in the past all those spake-s and shalt-s 
 and thou-s and ye-s, etc have been normal everyday English.
 But perhaps I'm all wrong...


Middle English, IIRC.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: TM bonds -- too good to be true?

2006-01-25 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 
  on 1/17/06 1:22 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
   
   The Yes-Men are the villains...
   
   Isn't there SOMEONE around him willing to say: Hey, Maharishi, can
   we get around to teaching TM sometime soon so we can spiritually
   regenerate the world?
  
  Say something like that and you're out on your ass. Not just because the
  yes-men want it that way. Because Maharishi does. He made the yes men,
  allowed them to be close to him, and distanced or banished everyone
 else.
 
 
 As soon as they stop saying 'yes', they're history. Charlie, Jerry,
 Domash, Donahue, Chopra Haeglin, not yet, but he's salaried. Isn't
 it odd that no one stayed
 

Who is still working for any major organization 30-40 years after it started to 
get big?





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[FairfieldLife] Re: TM bonds -- too good to be true?

2006-01-25 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- sparaig wrote:

 Someone died because they didn't have policies 
 in place to handle that kind of person 

I understood the policies were indeed in place. 
The people implementing the policies didn't see 
the danger. They thought their actions in accord
with the policy were adequate.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Again India does it

2006-01-25 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 sparaig wrote:
  How many of these are from judy or myself?
  
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: MMY - Tyrant Crackpot!
 Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
 Date: 11 Nov 2005 11:18:10 
 http://tinyurl.com/7twmh
 
 Where I come from silence signals agreement.
 
 From: authfriend jstein@
 Date: Sun Jan 15, 2006  9:10 am
 Subject: Re: Again India does it
 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/85293
 
 As Lawson suggests, you *want* to make people you
 don't like feel bad. To have that desire and act
 on it is one thing; to pretend it's not the case
 is quite another. It's dishonest and hypocritical.
 
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Subject: Re: The Case for the Iraq War
 Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
 Date: Wed, Nov 16 2005 1:27 pm
 http://tinyurl.com/bzuc4
 
 Oh, yes, it certainly has, in spades, as you know, liar.
 
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: Dems skewered on WMD
 Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
 Date: Mon, Nov 14 2005 11:23 pm
 http://tinyurl.com/dhlow
 
 Give it up, Willytex. Nobody believes your lies. The American people
 have wised up. They don't trust Bush, and they don't trust anyone who
 supports him. They know he's a liar, they know the people who support
 him know he's a liar, and therefore they know those supporters are
 also liars.
 
 It's falling apart, Willytex. The wheels are coming off.  Your beloved
 president is sinking in the dungheap of his own corruption. It's over
 for Bush. He's not just a lame duck, he's a crippled duck. He's going
 down the tubes, and you with him unless you smarten up and turn
 yourself around.
 
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
 Subject: Re: MMY - Tyrant Crackpot!
 Date: Fri, Nov 11 2005 1:18 pm
 http://tinyurl.com/7twmh
 
 Willytex, as the record shows (including this very post) is a truly,
 deeply filthy liar. 
 
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: Plamegate is crumbling
 Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
 Date: Thurs, Nov 10 2005 8:01 am
 http://tinyurl.com/94zmm
 
 There is zero evidence that Saddam tried to buy uranium from Africa,
 as you know, liar. 
 
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: Welcome to the A.M.T. Message Board
 Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
 Date: Thurs, Oct 20 2005 11:17 pm
 http://tinyurl.com/aedu8
 
 Note to newbies: Willytex is an exceedingly vicious, chronic,
 pathological liar. Nothing he says is to be trusted, including what he
 writes in this thread. He posts here under many different names,
 including pundits, puntditster, pundit_moderator, and several
 others.
 
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: Bill Burkett is a liar
 Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
 Date: Sat, Oct 1 2005 6:49 pm
 http://tinyurl.com/72sgm
 
 No, asshole, as you well know, you're the liar here. The documentation
 in the archives of this newsgroup is extensive (although not complete;
 you've told far too many lies to cover them all). 
 
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Subject: Re: Judy Stein is a liar
 Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
 Date: 30 Sep 2005 17:56:52
 http://tinyurl.com/d3l42
 
 Have I mentioned recently that Willytex is a truly vicious chronic liar?


OCD to boot (takes one to know one).





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Op-Ed on Spiritual Pollution of High-Density Hog Farms

2006-01-25 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  on 1/17/06 4:44 PM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
   Absolutely. If it weren't true, the Left Behind
   series of books would not be the huge sellers they
   are.  Modern-day (that is to say, so perverted as to
   no longer resemble the teachings of the founder of
   the religion) Christianity is almost as elitist and
   bloodthirsty as modern-day (that is, again, perverted
   to no longer resemble the teachings of the founder
   of the religion) Islam.  The two extremes deserve
   each other.
  
  It's interesting and ironic that both Bush and the president of Iran believe
  that their religion's saviour will come to smite the unbelievers when things
  get bad enough, and believing this, they have no qualms about making things
  worse.
 
 Lately, I have felt very drawn to the Buddhist concept of compassion.  Just 
 reading the 
 Dalai Lama's simple words whenever he speaks or gives interviews is such a 
 comfort, a 
 relief, and just pulls me toward a compassionate approach to life.  It is not 
 all boggled 
up 
 with GlobalCountry talk, or hell or judgment days - just simple and kind and 
 obvious. 
 There is a need for Buddhism now.
 


What's his take on how China and Tibet should relate?







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Op-Ed on Spiritual Pollution of High-Density Hog Farms

2006-01-25 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 on 1/17/06 4:44 PM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  Absolutely. If it weren't true, the Left Behind
  series of books would not be the huge sellers they
  are.  Modern-day (that is to say, so perverted as to
  no longer resemble the teachings of the founder of
  the religion) Christianity is almost as elitist and
  bloodthirsty as modern-day (that is, again, perverted
  to no longer resemble the teachings of the founder
  of the religion) Islam.  The two extremes deserve
  each other.
 
 It's interesting and ironic that both Bush and the president of Iran believe
 that their religion's saviour will come to smite the unbelievers when things
 get bad enough, and believing this, they have no qualms about making things
 worse.


The USAF used to (maybe still does) screen for certain kinds of believers 
before they're 
allowed close to nuclear weapons. Bush and many members of his administration 
couldn't 
get a job as a seargant at a missile silo.






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Deeksha, Shaktipat and PowerTouch

2006-01-25 Thread Bhairitu
Richard J. Williams wrote:

Bhairitu wrote:
  

My teacher has decided that since people have an 
interest in learning to give shaktipat...



So, your teacher, a former Indian pilot, will teach me how to give the
shaktipat? Are you suggesting that there's some kind of mind-altering
transcendental experience to be had or that this will provide an ideal
opportunity for transcending? 

  

It will enhance the experiences of those already meditating. 

Question: How much does your teacher charge for the deeksha, and how
much of the money will be sent back to India to your teacher's relatives? 

  

We give deeksha for free.

Other questions:

Does it take 5-7 years to learn?

  

No.

Do I have to memorize any nonsense syllables?
  

Depends on what you mean by nonsense syllables.

Do I need to read any books before I get shaktipated? 


  

No.




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Deeksha, Shaktipat and PowerTouch

2006-01-25 Thread Bhairitu

gullible fool wrote:

I think you may have your Maas mixed up.  Unless I
missed something I 
don't see anything about Sai Ma teaching such
courses.  Also I believe 
the ones that do have a couple extra zeros behind
the 55.  :)



Only one Sai Maa comes up in a yahoo or google search,
so it appears that there is only one circulating,
unlike the three Ammas that I know of.
 
Here's a list of events if anyone wants to learn
diskha from the Sai Maa group for 55 dollars or less: 


http://www.humanityinunity.org/HIU/Events-Programs/UpcomingSchedule/index.cfm

Although the website may claim that you have to take
the one-day intensive first, which would raise the
price up a bit, a master teacher in NYC told me I
could take just the three-hour diksha course planned
for NYC soon. There's also a combined one-day
intensive and diksha course in Syracuse in March for
only $77. I have no interest in taking any of their
diksha courses, because all the Sai Maa diskha givers
claim their diksha cannot be given to oneself and
cannot be given remotely. My own diksha suits me fine
on both counts. 
  

Of course in order to give deeksha you have to build up the shakti in 
yourself.  So being able to give deeksha to yourself becomes a moot 
point. :)



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[FairfieldLife] Details of Creation

2006-01-25 Thread bbrigante
14Dec2005 

The Details of Creation on the Level of Direct Subjective Experience

 

Dr Hagelin: `Thank you, Maharishi. There is obviously an extremely 
unique opportunity for the press to declare eureka today. 

`Maharishi, the world's foremost quantum physicists have developed 
highly successful Unified Field theories, such as the superstring, 
which describe the field of unity that underlies our diverse 
universe, the field of unity that underlies the diverse particles 
and forces that comprise the universe. But there is a branch of 
particle physics called experimental particle physics, and a special 
breed of physicists called particle experimentalists who spend 
millions of dollars and years of their lives looking for new 
particles in order to confirm the minute details of these Unified 
Field theories.

`Our Maharishi University of Management students, gathered here in 
Constitution Hall with me now, will soon visit the world's largest 
particle accelerator in nearby Fermilab in Chicago. It appears that 
these giant machines are soon to become obsolete museums, because 
even as powerful as they are, they cannot really begin to explore 
the deepest levels of nature at the grand unified and super unified 
levels. These are levels of unified reality that the human brain can 
so easily explore on the level of consciousness through the 
Transcendental Meditation and TM-Sidhi Programmes. 

`Does Maharishi foresee a time soon when everything one could 
possibly want to know about these deeply unified layers of creation—
all the details of the Unified Field and the Constitution of the 
Universe—will be fully transparent on the level of direct subjective 
experience. And will these particle accelerators, the modern 
microscopes of our age, truly become relics of times past?'

Maharishi: `That will just be what the first cognizer of the Veda 
is. As tradition has known it, the seer Rishi Madhuchchhandas sees. 
What does he see? He sees the first syllable of the Veda, A, 
Agnimile Purohitam. This is how the Veda proceeds. He sees A, and 
in A, he sees the total Veda.

`We can have an example. In a banyan seed or in a tiny seed of a 
guava, there is hollowness. Within that hollowness, if one could 
see, is the entire tree and all the mechanics of the dynamics of the 
unmanifest seed. The whole tree is there. This is seeing the entire 
tree in the hollowness of the seed. This means that the whole 
dynamic activity, the entire dynamism, is seen within the unmanifest 
field. This is the total Veda.

`This total Veda then flows. It flows into Agnimile Purohitam. The 
sequential emergence of the Veda is just as Dr Hagelin was saying. 
Ultimately, human awareness will be flowing in terms of the speech 
of the Veda, in terms of the language of the Veda, in terms of the 
sound of the Veda. That is Vedic recitation, having the Totality, 
and then, in sequence, Totality unfolding itself, infinity unfolding 
itself, into many, many points—unfolding to the point. This is 
exactly what will happen when the perception of these physical 
values comes to an end, and the consciousness value continues in its 
more and more refined value until the infinity comes to a point.

`Point to infinity is the flow of the Veda—the flow of the knowledge 
of the Constitution of the Universe. All the mechanics of 
transformation of the unmanifest into manifest—this process which we 
call science and technology—will be the ultimate thing. That is 
where there is the perception of these finer particles. We call it 
a particle accelerator. There are particles and then the most—what 
we say—you squeeze the particle into something, consciousness, 
higher states of consciousness. That is the Atma, the Self of 
everyone, Being, the be-all and end-all of everything, the Self of 
everything, the total field of knowledge. 

`The pursuit of modern science is getting into the sequentially 
refining values of creation and, ultimately, coming to recognize the 
abstract, unmanifest value in terms of the very concrete whole tree, 
which is there in the unmanifest. The pursuit of modern science is 
in that direction which is the structure of the Veda, the flow of 
the Veda. This is Vedic Civilization, which studies that and makes 
the awareness of a human child, a human being, into that ability 
that functions in the light of God, that functions on the level of 
all possibilities.

`This is the extreme value of the scientific investigation of 
knowledge. It ends up in enabling human consciousness to be a lively 
field of all possibilities. The word all possibilities is a 
reality on that level. It is not an empty word; it is not an 
emotional word. It is a concrete reality, where one is on the level 
of creating through desiring. This is stirring the field of the 
Devas—stirring the field of Creative Intelligence on its own level—
the world of the Devas, the world of the administrators of the 
universe. 

`It is a beautiful level. Whatever it explores has 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Begging money and charity

2006-01-25 Thread bbrigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 
 
 --- wayback71 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
 
  
  I still believe that long periods of time spent
  meditating are wonderful.Everyone should 
  have that chance for a few months in a lifetime. I
  treasure the time I spent on long TM 
  courses like teacher training or ATR's or courses. I
  think the traditional Tibetan culture 
  pretty much allowed for that for all young men- say
  several years duriing a young man's 
  early 20's.  How that was funded I don't know - but
  the bread baking, jellymaking, 
  weaving type of work might be a good idea for MD and
  Purusha who are so inclined. Many 
  are now getting older, though. Are they provided
  with any health insurance?  I wonder if 
  they will find social security enough to get by
  (assuming they have contributed for a 
  while).
 

 Knowing the compassionate history of the TMO I doubt
 very much if there are any health benefits in place or
 any sort of retirement account. 
 

***

Purusha/MD members are required to purchase health insurance while 
they are on the program -- at age 65, Medicare kicks in, if you have 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ron's Birthday

2006-01-25 Thread Peter
Happy Birthday Ron! We miss you big guy. This might be
a tough neighborhood, but you are well loved here.
Stop by once in a while for a beer and a cigarette,
okay? ;-)

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 without you.
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] There's No Place Like Home for the Hollandaise...

2006-01-25 Thread Peter
Tell him to go visit my namesake, the town of Zutphen.
Dirk von Zutphen came to this country in 1642.

--- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 It is official. We had our choice of either going to
 the Brahmasthan
 of India for a couple of months and then going to
 Holland when some
 of the new buildings are ready, or going directly to
 Holland and
 living in bungalows a few minutes away from MERU.  I
 opted for the
 latter,  am scheduled to leave Friday, and am ready
 to order my Dutch-
 English dictionary. A handful, 20 or so who have
 family
 responsibilities and the like, are going to
 Livingston Manor.
 
 It's the end of an era for our 9-1/2-year stint in
 Boone. Starting
 Feb. 1 we will be history. Yet we may well be back
 in a year or so.
 Some land purchase is being finalized a couple of
 hours SW of here,
 still in the NC mountains and, according to our
 sources, equally
 scenic and lovely, though on the side of the slope
 instead of the
 ridge (less wind). But this time it will be ours
 from the start.
 Maharishi wants them to build immediately for
 Purusha, quick pre-fab
 vastu-correct units.  We shall see.
 
 Snailmail address in Vlodrop:
  Me
  Purusha Group
  Station 24
  6063 NP Vlodrop
  Netherlands
 Same e-mail address as now.
 
 Enjoy the rising tide of Sat Yuga!
 Jai Guru Dev
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Details of Creation

2006-01-25 Thread Vaj
If we didn't already know he was senile this would just be echolalia.

If I hear one more regurgitation of AGNI as the course of creation,  
I'll hurl. Really.


On Jan 25, 2006, at 4:14 PM, bbrigante wrote:

 14Dec2005

 The Details of Creation on the Level of Direct Subjective Experience



 Dr Hagelin: `Thank you, Maharishi. There is obviously an extremely
 unique opportunity for the press to declare eureka today.

 `Maharishi, the world's foremost quantum physicists have developed
 highly successful Unified Field theories, such as the superstring,
 which describe the field of unity that underlies our diverse
 universe, the field of unity that underlies the diverse particles
 and forces that comprise the universe. But there is a branch of
 particle physics called experimental particle physics, and a special
 breed of physicists called particle experimentalists who spend
 millions of dollars and years of their lives looking for new
 particles in order to confirm the minute details of these Unified
 Field theories.

 `Our Maharishi University of Management students, gathered here in
 Constitution Hall with me now, will soon visit the world's largest
 particle accelerator in nearby Fermilab in Chicago. It appears that
 these giant machines are soon to become obsolete museums, because
 even as powerful as they are, they cannot really begin to explore
 the deepest levels of nature at the grand unified and super unified
 levels. These are levels of unified reality that the human brain can
 so easily explore on the level of consciousness through the
 Transcendental Meditation and TM-Sidhi Programmes.

 `Does Maharishi foresee a time soon when everything one could
 possibly want to know about these deeply unified layers of creation—
 all the details of the Unified Field and the Constitution of the
 Universe—will be fully transparent on the level of direct subjective
 experience. And will these particle accelerators, the modern
 microscopes of our age, truly become relics of times past?'

 Maharishi: `That will just be what the first cognizer of the Veda
 is. As tradition has known it, the seer Rishi Madhuchchhandas sees.
 What does he see? He sees the first syllable of the Veda, A,
 Agnimile Purohitam. This is how the Veda proceeds. He sees A, and
 in A, he sees the total Veda.

 `We can have an example. In a banyan seed or in a tiny seed of a
 guava, there is hollowness. Within that hollowness, if one could
 see, is the entire tree and all the mechanics of the dynamics of the
 unmanifest seed. The whole tree is there. This is seeing the entire
 tree in the hollowness of the seed. This means that the whole
 dynamic activity, the entire dynamism, is seen within the unmanifest
 field. This is the total Veda.

 `This total Veda then flows. It flows into Agnimile Purohitam. The
 sequential emergence of the Veda is just as Dr Hagelin was saying.
 Ultimately, human awareness will be flowing in terms of the speech
 of the Veda, in terms of the language of the Veda, in terms of the
 sound of the Veda. That is Vedic recitation, having the Totality,
 and then, in sequence, Totality unfolding itself, infinity unfolding
 itself, into many, many points—unfolding to the point. This is
 exactly what will happen when the perception of these physical
 values comes to an end, and the consciousness value continues in its
 more and more refined value until the infinity comes to a point.

 `Point to infinity is the flow of the Veda—the flow of the knowledge
 of the Constitution of the Universe. All the mechanics of
 transformation of the unmanifest into manifest—this process which we
 call science and technology—will be the ultimate thing. That is
 where there is the perception of these finer particles. We call it
 a particle accelerator. There are particles and then the most—what
 we say—you squeeze the particle into something, consciousness,
 higher states of consciousness. That is the Atma, the Self of
 everyone, Being, the be-all and end-all of everything, the Self of
 everything, the total field of knowledge.

 `The pursuit of modern science is getting into the sequentially
 refining values of creation and, ultimately, coming to recognize the
 abstract, unmanifest value in terms of the very concrete whole tree,
 which is there in the unmanifest. The pursuit of modern science is
 in that direction which is the structure of the Veda, the flow of
 the Veda. This is Vedic Civilization, which studies that and makes
 the awareness of a human child, a human being, into that ability
 that functions in the light of God, that functions on the level of
 all possibilities.

 `This is the extreme value of the scientific investigation of
 knowledge. It ends up in enabling human consciousness to be a lively
 field of all possibilities. The word all possibilities is a
 reality on that level. It is not an empty word; it is not an
 emotional word. It is a concrete reality, where one is on the level
 of creating through desiring. This is 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Details of Creation

2006-01-25 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 If we didn't already know he was senile this would just be 
echolalia.

Echolalia: The involuntary parrotlike repetition (echoing) of a word 
or phrase just spoken by another person.

http://www.medterms.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=26315



 
 If I hear one more regurgitation of AGNI as the course of 
creation,  
 I'll hurl. Really.
 
 
 On Jan 25, 2006, at 4:14 PM, bbrigante wrote:
 
  14Dec2005
 
  The Details of Creation on the Level of Direct Subjective 
Experience
 
 
 
  Dr Hagelin: `Thank you, Maharishi. There is obviously an extremely
  unique opportunity for the press to declare eureka today.
 
  `Maharishi, the world's foremost quantum physicists have developed
  highly successful Unified Field theories, such as the superstring,
  which describe the field of unity that underlies our diverse
  universe, the field of unity that underlies the diverse particles
  and forces that comprise the universe. But there is a branch of
  particle physics called experimental particle physics, and a 
special
  breed of physicists called particle experimentalists who spend
  millions of dollars and years of their lives looking for new
  particles in order to confirm the minute details of these Unified
  Field theories.
 
  `Our Maharishi University of Management students, gathered here in
  Constitution Hall with me now, will soon visit the world's largest
  particle accelerator in nearby Fermilab in Chicago. It appears 
that
  these giant machines are soon to become obsolete museums, because
  even as powerful as they are, they cannot really begin to explore
  the deepest levels of nature at the grand unified and super 
unified
  levels. These are levels of unified reality that the human brain 
can
  so easily explore on the level of consciousness through the
  Transcendental Meditation and TM-Sidhi Programmes.
 
  `Does Maharishi foresee a time soon when everything one could
  possibly want to know about these deeply unified layers of 
creation—
  all the details of the Unified Field and the Constitution of the
  Universe—will be fully transparent on the level of direct 
subjective
  experience. And will these particle accelerators, the modern
  microscopes of our age, truly become relics of times past?'
 
  Maharishi: `That will just be what the first cognizer of the Veda
  is. As tradition has known it, the seer Rishi Madhuchchhandas 
sees.
  What does he see? He sees the first syllable of the Veda, A,
  Agnimile Purohitam. This is how the Veda proceeds. He sees A, 
and
  in A, he sees the total Veda.
 
  `We can have an example. In a banyan seed or in a tiny seed of a
  guava, there is hollowness. Within that hollowness, if one could
  see, is the entire tree and all the mechanics of the dynamics of 
the
  unmanifest seed. The whole tree is there. This is seeing the 
entire
  tree in the hollowness of the seed. This means that the whole
  dynamic activity, the entire dynamism, is seen within the 
unmanifest
  field. This is the total Veda.
 
  `This total Veda then flows. It flows into Agnimile Purohitam. The
  sequential emergence of the Veda is just as Dr Hagelin was saying.
  Ultimately, human awareness will be flowing in terms of the speech
  of the Veda, in terms of the language of the Veda, in terms of the
  sound of the Veda. That is Vedic recitation, having the Totality,
  and then, in sequence, Totality unfolding itself, infinity 
unfolding
  itself, into many, many points—unfolding to the point. This is
  exactly what will happen when the perception of these physical
  values comes to an end, and the consciousness value continues in 
its
  more and more refined value until the infinity comes to a point.
 
  `Point to infinity is the flow of the Veda—the flow of the 
knowledge
  of the Constitution of the Universe. All the mechanics of
  transformation of the unmanifest into manifest—this process which 
we
  call science and technology—will be the ultimate thing. That is
  where there is the perception of these finer particles. We call it
  a particle accelerator. There are particles and then the most—
what
  we say—you squeeze the particle into something, consciousness,
  higher states of consciousness. That is the Atma, the Self of
  everyone, Being, the be-all and end-all of everything, the Self of
  everything, the total field of knowledge.
 
  `The pursuit of modern science is getting into the sequentially
  refining values of creation and, ultimately, coming to recognize 
the
  abstract, unmanifest value in terms of the very concrete whole 
tree,
  which is there in the unmanifest. The pursuit of modern science is
  in that direction which is the structure of the Veda, the flow of
  the Veda. This is Vedic Civilization, which studies that and makes
  the awareness of a human child, a human being, into that ability
  that functions in the light of God, that functions on the level of
  all possibilities.
 
  `This is 

[FairfieldLife] Remember Edward Tarabilda?

2006-01-25 Thread bdadvaitin
I just came across a book in a health food store in Portland, Maine
by Edward Tarabilda entitled, Ayurveda Revolutionized. I remember
him when I was a first year student at MIU back in 1975-1976.
It mentions that he co-founded The Institute for Wholistic Education
which is based in Twin Lakes, WI.  It also says tht he is the founder
of the Art of Multi-Dimensional Living and this knowledge is available
through NEW U which has a mailing address in Fairfield.  I checked out
the website and discovered that he passed away in 1999 from a heart
attack while playing tennis. Does anyone know about the institute 
which by the way has an Ayurvedic correspondence course, hence my
interest, or about NEW U?





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[FairfieldLife] Re: There's No Place Like Home for the Hollandaise...

2006-01-25 Thread lurkernomore20002000
--- .
 
 It's the end of an era for our 9-1/2-year stint in Boone. Starting
 Feb. 1 we will be history. Yet we may well be back in a year or so.
 Some land purchase is being finalized a couple of hours SW of here,
 still in the NC mountains and, according to our sources, equally
 scenic and lovely, though on the side of the slope instead of the
 ridge (less wind). But this time it will be ours from the start.
 Maharishi wants them to build immediately for Purusha, quick pre-fab
 vastu-correct units.  We shall see.

Indeed.

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Remember Edward Tarabilda?

2006-01-25 Thread Vaj


On Jan 25, 2006, at 7:03 PM, bdadvaitin wrote:I just came across a book in a health food store in Portland, Maineby Edward Tarabilda entitled, "Ayurveda Revolutionized." I rememberhim when I was a first year student at MIU back in 1975-1976.It mentions that he co-founded "The Institute for Wholistic Education"which is based in Twin Lakes, WI.  It also says tht he is the founderof the Art of Multi-Dimensional Living and this knowledge is availablethrough NEW U which has a mailing address in Fairfield.  I checked outthe website and discovered that he passed away in 1999 from a heartattack while playing tennis. Does anyone know about the institute which by the way has an Ayurvedic correspondence course, hence myinterest, or about NEW U? Ed later went on to found the Science of "psychobiocosmosis" IIRC. He put out a number of booklets detailing an overview of this science. I remember one on astrology contained his predictions on the patterns that were to unfold. One involved mercury and the unfoldment of inter-communication a la the internet for the current era. He also predicted, I believe accurately, the rise of interest in "reality TV". He had a good number of predictions based on his system that were accurate or seemed like they should happen. Ed did three Jyotish charts for me based on his system of psychobiocosmosis. They were very accurate in terms of my own personality and spiritual motivations. He attributed all the various yogas to the planets and felt that each person had a predominant influence or a combination thereof these planetary propensities. By knowing what they were we could gain insight into our own path and our place in the cosmos. It was pretty cool. Before he died, he planned on setting up a school/university to further his ideas. The only bizarre thing was, the pattern was so similar the the commercial unfoldment of SCI into the later TM movement, with commercial potential, etc. you couldn't help but notice the parallels. In fact I have noticed this similar parallel in a number of movement types--often old teachers--who have schemes (often trademarked or with catchy names) which sadly mirrored TMO excesses, even if only in seed form.It proved to me that if the underlying and deepest motivation was not pure, the result would ultimately reflect this. Therefore it was always important to "check" your own motivation. It forms the basis of all action in the relative.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Remember Edward Tarabilda?

2006-01-25 Thread Bhairitu
bdadvaitin wrote:

I just came across a book in a health food store in Portland, Maine
by Edward Tarabilda entitled, Ayurveda Revolutionized. I remember
him when I was a first year student at MIU back in 1975-1976.
It mentions that he co-founded The Institute for Wholistic Education
which is based in Twin Lakes, WI.  It also says tht he is the founder
of the Art of Multi-Dimensional Living and this knowledge is available
through NEW U which has a mailing address in Fairfield.  I checked out
the website and discovered that he passed away in 1999 from a heart
attack while playing tennis. Does anyone know about the institute 
which by the way has an Ayurvedic correspondence course, hence my
interest, or about NEW U?

  

I found a website a couple years ago apparently run by students of his.  
What I felt was left out in the book was how to determine the different 
combinations he was seeing.   They have a self-test that does just that:
http://www.sacredstonehealing.com/dosha.htm




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[FairfieldLife] Re: [NgakpaZhonnuKhang] apotropaic use of iron

2006-01-25 Thread Vaj
I think a lot of people miss that before man knew how to mine and
smelt iron what his basic source of iron was: meteoritic iron. We
would all do well to take a look a Eliade's _The Forge and the
Crucible_. The few meteors that survive the drop to earth all seem to
contain a mix of predominantly iron and nickel. The sites where they
landed were sacred to the goddess. The adepts that worked with this
metal, the early blacksmiths, all shared one thing in common: they
were the ones who could and would be possessed by the local spirits
of that area. We don't realize what a profound act this was, either
did I. Till I saw the video made of the priests of Bali. These
tantric priests still descend through a labyrinth below their ancient
temples, established on old meteorite sites and go into trance. And
they mold these metals WITH THEIR HANDS. To this very day. A good
Balinese kris, extremely rare, will have the markings where the
tantrika kissed the edge of the blade with his lips. Little crescent-
shaped marks.

I think this work is one of Eliade's greatest work, but quietly so.  
One of
Eliade's old students gave me a copy when he found out I was
interested in Alchemy. It tapped me into an older strata of thought,
I might've completely missed otherwise.

-Vaj

On Jan 11, 2006, at 6:37 PM, E. Noval wrote:


 Since we were talking about iron phurbas...
 Our friend Brian wrote this. It has some interesting bits.

 http://www.panikon.com/phurba/articles/iron.html



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: There's No Place Like Home for the Hollandaise...

2006-01-25 Thread Sal Sunshine

On Jan 25, 2006, at 6:48 PM, lurkernomore20002000 wrote:

 > It's the end of an era for our 9-1/2-year stint in Boone. Starting
 > Feb. 1 we will be history. Yet we may well be back in a year or so.
 > Some land purchase is being finalized a couple of hours SW of here,
 > still in the NC mountains and, according to our sources, equally
 > scenic and lovely, though on the side of the slope instead of the
 > ridge (less wind). But this time it will be ours from the start.
 > Maharishi wants them to build immediately for Purusha, quick pre-fab
 > vastu-correct units.  We shall see.

 Indeed.

Hmmm...don't we have those here already? Something tells me the idea of quick, pre-fab vastu-correct units in Fairfield is less than thrilling to them.

Sal


Re: [FairfieldLife] Remember Edward Tarabilda?

2006-01-25 Thread Vaj


On Jan 25, 2006, at 7:03 PM, bdadvaitin wrote:I just came across a book in a health food store in Portland, Maine by Edward Tarabilda entitled, "Ayurveda Revolutionized." I remember him when I was a first year student at MIU back in 1975-1976. It mentions that he co-founded "The Institute for Wholistic Education" which is based in Twin Lakes, WI.  It also says tht he is the founder of the Art of Multi-Dimensional Living and this knowledge is available through NEW U which has a mailing address in Fairfield.  I checked out the website and discovered that he passed away in 1999 from a heart attack while playing tennis. Does anyone know about the institute  which by the way has an Ayurvedic correspondence course, hence my interest, or about NEW U? Ed later went on to found the Science of "psychobiocosmosis" IIRC. He put out a number of booklets detailing an overview of this science. I remember one on astrology contained his predictions on the patterns that were to unfold. One involved mercury and the unfoldment of inter-communication a la the internet for the current era. He also predicted, I believe accurately, the rise of interest in "reality TV". He had a good number of predictions based on his system that were accurate or seemed like they should happen. Ed did three Jyotish charts for me based on his system of psychobiocosmosis. They were very accurate in terms of my own personality and spiritual motivations. He attributed all the various yogas to the planets and felt that each person had a predominant influence or a combination thereof these planetary propensities. By knowing what they were we could gain insight into our own path and our place in the cosmos. It was pretty cool. Before he died, he planned on setting up a school/university to further his ideas. The only bizarre thing was, the pattern was so similar the the commercial unfoldment of SCI into the later TM movement, with commercial potential, etc. you couldn't help but notice the parallels. In fact I have noticed this similar parallel in a number of movement types--often old teachers--who have schemes (often trademarked or with catchy names) which sadly mirrored TMO excesses, even if only in seed form.It proved to me that if the underlying and deepest motivation was not pure, the result would ultimately reflect this. Therefore it was always important to "check" your own motivation. It forms the basis of all action in the relative.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Remember Edward Tarabilda?

2006-01-25 Thread bdadvaitin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 On Jan 25, 2006, at 7:03 PM, bdadvaitin wrote:
 
  I just came across a book in a health food store in Portland, 
Maine
  by Edward Tarabilda entitled, Ayurveda Revolutionized. I 
remember
  him when I was a first year student at MIU back in 1975-1976.
  It mentions that he co-founded The Institute for Wholistic 
Education
  which is based in Twin Lakes, WI.  It also says tht he is the 
founder
  of the Art of Multi-Dimensional Living and this knowledge is 
available
  through NEW U which has a mailing address in Fairfield.  I 
checked out
  the website and discovered that he passed away in 1999 from a 
heart
  attack while playing tennis. Does anyone know about the institute
  which by the way has an Ayurvedic correspondence course, hence my
  interest, or about NEW U?
 
 Ed later went on to found the Science of psychobiocosmosis IIRC. 
He  
 put out a number of booklets detailing an overview of this 
science. I  
 remember one on astrology contained his predictions on the 
patterns  
 that were to unfold. One involved mercury and the unfoldment of 
inter- 
 communication a la the internet for the current era. He also  
 predicted, I believe accurately, the rise of interest in reality  
 TV. He had a good number of predictions based on his system that  
 were accurate or seemed like they should happen. Ed did three 
Jyotish  
 charts for me based on his system of psychobiocosmosis. They were  
 very accurate in terms of my own personality and spiritual  
 motivations. He attributed all the various yogas to the planets 
and  
 felt that each person had a predominant influence or a 
combination  
 thereof these planetary propensities. By knowing what they were 
we  
 could gain insight into our own path and our place in the cosmos. 
It  
 was pretty cool. Before he died, he planned on setting up a 
school/ 
 university to further his ideas. The only bizarre thing was, the  
 pattern was so similar the the commercial unfoldment of SCI into 
the  
 later TM movement, with commercial potential, etc. you couldn't 
help  
 but notice the parallels. In fact I have noticed this similar  
 parallel in a number of movement types--often old teachers--who 
have  
 schemes (often trademarked or with catchy names) which sadly 
mirrored  
 TMO excesses, even if only in seed form.
 
 It proved to me that if the underlying and deepest motivation was 
not  
 pure, the result would ultimately reflect this. Therefore it was  
 always important to check your own motivation. It forms the 
basis  
 of all action in the relative.

vaj,  would you then conclude that this knowledge of his has merit?
Since his death, do you know who is leading his endeavors?





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Op-Ed on Spiritual Pollution of High-Density Hog Farms

2006-01-25 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- sparaig wrote:

 Bush and many members of his administration couldn't 
 get a job as a seargant at a missile silo.

This goes on the list of keeper quotes.






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[FairfieldLife] Intention revisited

2006-01-25 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- Vaj wrote:

 It proved to me that if the underlying and deepest motivation was not  
 pure, the result would ultimately reflect this. Therefore it was  
 always important to check your own motivation. It forms the basis  
 of all action in the relative.

Is there a way to retire an originating intention and start 
anew? Short of killing the entire entity that arose from the 
originating intention, that is.

I wonder about this when I see flawed organizations that 
get their flaws from some aspect of the originating 
intention. Rhode Island, for instance.







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Intention revisited

2006-01-25 Thread Jamshad Ghanbar



This is a great deal of intention ! Very Very nice - is't it?Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  --- Vaj wrote: It proved to me that if the underlying and deepest motivation was not  pure, the result would ultimately reflect this. Therefore it was  always important to "check" your own motivation. It forms the basis  of all action in the relative.Is there a way to retire an originating intention and start anew? Short of killing the entire entity that arose from the originating intention, that is.I wonder about this when I see flawed organizations that get their flaws from some aspect of the originating intention. Rhode Island, for instance.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Intention revisited

2006-01-25 Thread matrixmonitor
---Undoing intention, (or any karma): the trick is the amount of
effort; but there's a mantra designed for dissolving karma which is
Thiru Neela Kantam (meaning Holy Blue Throat - a reference to
Shiva). You chant the mantra and at the same time imagining the bad
karma as a type of liquid.  Shiva drinks up the liquid, turning His
throat blue. The technique is keyed to the Churning of the Ocean Myth
when the Snake vomited some poison.  Shiva drank it up, turning His
throat blue and thus He is Holy Blue Throat: Thiru Neela Kantam.
But again, there's no free lunch since even dissolving the bad karma
of ordinary daily events takes a lot of energy.
 I might add that once the event has already occurred, changing
history is a lot more difficult than preventing the event in the first
place (an ounce of prevention...etc).
 The best way to use the mantra is to chant it to dissolve the bad
karma of tomorrow; (rather than waiting until the day after tomorrow
in which case the damage has already been done).  

 --- Vaj wrote:
 
  It proved to me that if the underlying and deepest motivation was
not  
  pure, the result would ultimately reflect this. Therefore it was  
  always important to check your own motivation. It forms the basis  
  of all action in the relative.
 
 Is there a way to retire an originating intention and start 
 anew? Short of killing the entire entity that arose from the 
 originating intention, that is.
 
 I wonder about this when I see flawed organizations that 
 get their flaws from some aspect of the originating 
 intention. Rhode Island, for instance.







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM bonds -- too good to be true?

2006-01-25 Thread Jamshad Ghanbar



The big selfsparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   on 1/17/06 1:22 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Yes-Men are the villains...  Isn't there SOMEONE around him willing to say: Hey, Maharishi, can   we get around to teaching TM sometime soon so we can spiritually   regenerate the world?Say something like that and you're out on your ass. Not just because the  yes-men want it that way. Because Maharishi does. He made the yes men,  allowed
 them to be close to him, and distanced or banished everyone else.   As soon as they stop saying 'yes', they're history. Charlie, Jerry, Domash, Donahue, Chopra Haeglin, not yet, but he's salaried. Isn't it odd that no one stayed Who is still working for any major organization 30-40 years after it started to get big?
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[FairfieldLife] KHOE now online

2006-01-25 Thread bbrigante
MUM radio KHOE is now online:

http://www.khoe.org/





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[FairfieldLife] Benjamin Creme and the Maitreya fraud

2006-01-25 Thread Vaj


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Re: [FairfieldLife] KHOE now online

2006-01-25 Thread Rick Archer
on 1/25/06 10:30 PM, bbrigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 MUM radio KHOE is now online:
 
 http://www.khoe.org/

Those of you out of town will enjoy this station. They play some good music
- right now it sounds like Leo Kottke - and talks by Maharishi, Bevan,
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