[FairfieldLife] Surely MMY would not deliberately deceive the English?

2006-09-06 Thread Paul Mason
On 29th September 1967 'The Frost Programme' included an interview with 
Maharishi Mahesh Yogi at London Airport. During the chat the topic of 
mantras came up. His answer would give the listener the idea that the 
TM movement used a palette of 'thousands' of mantras, which, if it were 
not true, would amount to false advertising. 

Frost - Is that the same sound that you give to each person?
MMY - No, each person gets different but we don't have as many sounds 
as we have men in the world. So they are grouped together.
Frost - How many sounds are there?
MMY - Oh there are lots of sounds.
Frost - I mean hundreds or thousands or ...?
MMY - You could say thousands.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Mayi Amma

2006-09-06 Thread TurquoiseB
  'Mayi Amma is hundreds of years old.. She used towalk right
  into the sea
  and stay underwater at the sea bed years onend..
 
  The gospel according to t3rinity.
 
  Makes me wonder...when did stuff like this start being gospel
  and stop being fairy tales?
 
  My experience is that the more real, strong, vibrant
  and consistent spiritual experiences that people are
  having in a spiritual group, the *less* interest there
  is in the group with these sorts of things. And the
  fewer spiritual experiences people are having on a
  daily basis, the more interest there is in such things.
 
 Probably true.  But I'm not interested in either one, so 
 I wonder where that leaves me? :)  It's not that I'm not 
 interested in the spiritual experiences (so-called) I'm 
 just not interested in chattering about it--seems kind 
 of pointless.
 
 But others obviously are--so chatter away! :)

Indeed, Sal. In fact, one of the distinctions made by
some traditions between different two basic types of 
spiritual seekers is that one type is more interested 
in discussing/studying the experiences of others and
and the other type is more interested/only interested 
in having their own experiences.

Within that (artificial) breakdown, I find it interesting 
what type of experiences themselves different seekers 
seem to be interested in and attracted to. Some seem to 
be attracted to the more pragmatic types of experience, 
and other seem to be more attracted to the more woo-woo, 
very-possibly-fictional types of experience. I guess 
it's the same distinction you see in mainstream religion; 
some Christians feel drawn to Christ because of his 
attitude towards the poor and the downtrodden, and 
others can appreciate only the flashy stuff, the walking 
on water and the miracles.

Again, different strokes for different folks...







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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Is Couric Enlightened?'

2006-09-06 Thread Robert Gimbel
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Robert Gimbel wrote:
 
 A couple of years ago, I remember watching, 'The Today Show';
   And I was noticing how spontaneous, and focused Katie Couric 
seemed to be.
   I was even noticing the possibility that she was experiencing 
enlightenment;
   In noticing how she would phrase things, as though she 
was 'witnessing'.
   It was just my feeling at the time; but it would be interesting 
to have an;
   Enlightened Newscaster who is as big as it gets in the news 
business.
   Good Luck Sri Kai-tee...
 The CBS EVENING NEWS WITH KATIE COURIC debuts Tuesday, Sept. 5 
(6:30-7:00 PM, ET/PT). 
   
 
 I was always funny in the movement when so many of the meditators 
saw 
 someone who was bright, articulate, and had rose to a high place 
think 
 that person was enlightened.  But you should have learned by now 
not to 
 base such judgments on enlightenment on such external qualities.  
About 
 20% of the population are fairly bright but I wouldn't say they are 
 enlightened.  I have certainly met many people who were bright and 
 articulate but clueless about the subject of transcendence and 
higher 
 states of consciousness.  They were still superficial about life in 
 general.  However they might show an interest in higher states of 
 consciousness even admitting I've always wanted to learn more 
about that.

On the other hand, I think we are programmed to think that only 
a 'Guru' type could be enlightened, and not someone who is an 
ordinary part of society;
This I feel is wrong:
I was making this comment based on my own experience, not so much 
about how 'bright or clever she is;
But rather a depth, since the death of her husband, and a certain 
feeling of compassion that she eminates.
I think it would be good for all of us, to start recognizing everyday 
people exibiting signs of enlightenment, if not fully established, 
than at least that it won't be like times past, where the enlighened 
ones were few and far between.
R.G.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Surely MMY would not deliberately deceive the English?

2006-09-06 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 On 29th September 1967 'The Frost Programme' included an 
 interview with Maharishi Mahesh Yogi at London Airport. 
 During the chat the topic of mantras came up. His answer 
 would give the listener the idea that the TM movement 
 used a palette of 'thousands' of mantras, which, if it were 
 not true, would amount to false advertising. 
 
 Frost - Is that the same sound that you give to each person?
 MMY - No, each person gets different but we don't have as 
 many sounds 
 as we have men in the world. So they are grouped together.
 Frost - How many sounds are there?
 MMY - Oh there are lots of sounds.
 Frost - I mean hundreds or thousands or ...?
 MMY - You could say thousands.

I look forward to discussion of this topic among
the TM TBs, especially the...uh...creative ways
they'll come up with to deny that Maharishi was lying.

It's a fascinating phenomenon, one that I saw in the
Rama trip as well. He'd go on some television show
like Larry King and look into the camera and lie
through his teeth about something, like what he'd
said about himself in the past or what he'd told his
students to do. *All* of the students watching would 
know from their own personal experience that he was 
lying, but some would just not hear it, and blot
it out and then later deny that he'd said it, and
others would say things like, Well, the people in
the media are just not as evolved as we are, so it's
Ok to lie to them, and so on and so on.

It always struck me at the time as fascinating,
partly because I'd already seen so much of this same
phenomenon earlier, during in my time in the TMO. I 
guess this stuff happens in every spiritual movement 
-- seekers gazing at the teacher and never really 
seeing what he does and says, only what they want 
to see and hear...








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Paris Hilton's facial paralysis

2006-09-06 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 http://parisfacial.ytmnd.com/



Master of the sidhi of perfect stability...





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Surely MMY would not deliberately deceive the English?

2006-09-06 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On 29th September 1967 'The Frost Programme' included an interview with 
 Maharishi Mahesh Yogi at London Airport. During the chat the topic of 
 mantras came up. His answer would give the listener the idea that the 
 TM movement used a palette of 'thousands' of mantras, which, if it were 
 not true, would amount to false advertising. 
 
 Frost - Is that the same sound that you give to each person?
 MMY - No, each person gets different but we don't have as many sounds 
 as we have men in the world. So they are grouped together.
 Frost - How many sounds are there?
 MMY - Oh there are lots of sounds.
 Frost - I mean hundreds or thousands or ...?
 MMY - You could say thousands.


Surely Paul isn't fishing for negative things to say about MMY?








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Surely MMY would not deliberately deceive the English?

2006-09-06 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@
 wrote:
 
  On 29th September 1967 'The Frost Programme' included an 
  interview with Maharishi Mahesh Yogi at London Airport. 
  During the chat the topic of mantras came up. His answer 
  would give the listener the idea that the TM movement 
  used a palette of 'thousands' of mantras, which, if it were 
  not true, would amount to false advertising. 
  
  Frost - Is that the same sound that you give to each person?
  MMY - No, each person gets different but we don't have as 
  many sounds 
  as we have men in the world. So they are grouped together.
  Frost - How many sounds are there?
  MMY - Oh there are lots of sounds.
  Frost - I mean hundreds or thousands or ...?
  MMY - You could say thousands.
 
 I look forward to discussion of this topic among
 the TM TBs, especially the...uh...creative ways
 they'll come up with to deny that Maharishi was lying.
 
 It's a fascinating phenomenon, one that I saw in the
 Rama trip as well. He'd go on some television show
 like Larry King and look into the camera and lie
 through his teeth about something, like what he'd
 said about himself in the past or what he'd told his
 students to do. *All* of the students watching would 
 know from their own personal experience that he was 
 lying, but some would just not hear it, and blot
 it out and then later deny that he'd said it, and
 others would say things like, Well, the people in
 the media are just not as evolved as we are, so it's
 Ok to lie to them, and so on and so on.
 
 It always struck me at the time as fascinating,
 partly because I'd already seen so much of this same
 phenomenon earlier, during in my time in the TMO. I 
 guess this stuff happens in every spiritual movement 
 -- seekers gazing at the teacher and never really 
 seeing what he does and says, only what they want 
 to see and hear...


So, I have some idea of why Paul cares, though he won't admit it. I also have 
some idea 
why YOU care, though you won't admit it.

Why should *I* care?







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Surely MMY would not deliberately deceive the English?

2006-09-06 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason
premanandpaul@ wrote:
  
   On 29th September 1967 'The Frost Programme' included an 
   interview with Maharishi Mahesh Yogi at London Airport. 
   During the chat the topic of mantras came up. His answer 
   would give the listener the idea that the TM movement 
   used a palette of 'thousands' of mantras, which, if it were 
   not true, would amount to false advertising. 
   
   Frost - Is that the same sound that you give to each person?
   MMY - No, each person gets different but we don't have as 
   many sounds 
   as we have men in the world. So they are grouped together.
   Frost - How many sounds are there?
   MMY - Oh there are lots of sounds.
   Frost - I mean hundreds or thousands or ...?
   MMY - You could say thousands.
  
  I look forward to discussion of this topic among
  the TM TBs, especially the...uh...creative ways
  they'll come up with to deny that Maharishi was lying.
  
  It's a fascinating phenomenon, one that I saw in the
  Rama trip as well. He'd go on some television show
  like Larry King and look into the camera and lie
  through his teeth about something, like what he'd
  said about himself in the past or what he'd told his
  students to do. *All* of the students watching would 
  know from their own personal experience that he was 
  lying, but some would just not hear it, and blot
  it out and then later deny that he'd said it, and
  others would say things like, Well, the people in
  the media are just not as evolved as we are, so it's
  Ok to lie to them, and so on and so on.
  
  It always struck me at the time as fascinating,
  partly because I'd already seen so much of this same
  phenomenon earlier, during in my time in the TMO. I 
  guess this stuff happens in every spiritual movement 
  -- seekers gazing at the teacher and never really 
  seeing what he does and says, only what they want 
  to see and hear...

 
 So, I have some idea of why Paul cares, though he won't 
 admit it. I also have some idea 
 why YOU care, though you won't admit it.
 
 Why should *I* care?


There is absolutely no reason at all why you should 
care whether Maharishi has no problem with telling
deliberate lies.

Unless, of course, you count the fact that you spend
a great deal of your life -- hours a day, every day --
defending what he's told you as accurate and the truth.

It's your call, of course. However, if you were serious
about asking why you should care, I refer you to the 
following citations, posted here over the last year 
by a noted expert on liars and lying:




Study: Adept Liars' Brains Are Built Differently
By Robert Lee Hotz
L.A. Times Staff Writer

10:47 AM PDT, September 30, 2005

In the lexicon of lying, there are white lies and bare-faced lies.
Facts can be fudged, forged or shaded. There are fibbers, fabricators
and feckless fabulists. By whatever clinical term, the truth simply
is not in some people.

Now scientists have an anatomical inkling why.

A new study from the University of Southern California, published in
the October issue of the British Journal of Psychiatry, suggests that
the talent for compulsive deception is embedded in the structure of
the brain itself.

People who habitually lie and cheat - pathological liars - appear
to have much more white matter, which speeds communication between
neurons, in the prefrontal cortex than normal people, the researchers
found. They also have fewer actual neurons.

The differences affect a portion of the brain, located just behind
the forehead, that enables people to feel remorse, learn moral
behavior and plan complex strategies.

The surplus of connections between neurons might enable these people
to be more adept at the complex neural networking that underlies
deceit.

Lying is hard work and these brains may be better equipped to handle
it, the researchers said.

Lying is cognitively complex, said USC psychologist Adrian Raine,
the senior scientist on the research project. It is not easy to lie.
It is certainly more difficult than telling the truth. Some people
have a biological advantage in lying. It gives them a slight edge.

The researchers recruited 108 volunteers, then sorted them into
groups based on psychological tests designed to determine how often
they lied. The volunteers were then scanned using magnetic structural
imaging to obtain detailed anatomical images of their brain tissue.

The group of compulsive liars had 25.7% more white matter in the
prefrontal cortex and 14.2% less gray matter than the normal control
group.

To our knowledge, it is the first imaging study on people who lie,
cheat and deceive as a group, Raine said.

http://tinyurl.com/8vxjk



Two more points on this, the first from another
report on 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Surely MMY would not deliberately deceive the English?

2006-09-06 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason
 premanandpaul@ wrote:
   
On 29th September 1967 'The Frost Programme' included an 
interview with Maharishi Mahesh Yogi at London Airport. 
During the chat the topic of mantras came up. His answer 
would give the listener the idea that the TM movement 
used a palette of 'thousands' of mantras, which, if it were 
not true, would amount to false advertising. 

Frost - Is that the same sound that you give to each person?
MMY - No, each person gets different but we don't have as 
many sounds 
as we have men in the world. So they are grouped together.
Frost - How many sounds are there?
MMY - Oh there are lots of sounds.
Frost - I mean hundreds or thousands or ...?
MMY - You could say thousands.
   
   I look forward to discussion of this topic among
   the TM TBs, especially the...uh...creative ways
   they'll come up with to deny that Maharishi was lying.
   
   It's a fascinating phenomenon, one that I saw in the
   Rama trip as well. He'd go on some television show
   like Larry King and look into the camera and lie
   through his teeth about something, like what he'd
   said about himself in the past or what he'd told his
   students to do. *All* of the students watching would 
   know from their own personal experience that he was 
   lying, but some would just not hear it, and blot
   it out and then later deny that he'd said it, and
   others would say things like, Well, the people in
   the media are just not as evolved as we are, so it's
   Ok to lie to them, and so on and so on.
   
   It always struck me at the time as fascinating,
   partly because I'd already seen so much of this same
   phenomenon earlier, during in my time in the TMO. I 
   guess this stuff happens in every spiritual movement 
   -- seekers gazing at the teacher and never really 
   seeing what he does and says, only what they want 
   to see and hear...
 
  
  So, I have some idea of why Paul cares, though he won't 
  admit it. I also have some idea 
  why YOU care, though you won't admit it.
  
  Why should *I* care?
 
 
 There is absolutely no reason at all why you should 
 care whether Maharishi has no problem with telling
 deliberate lies.
 
 Unless, of course, you count the fact that you spend
 a great deal of your life -- hours a day, every day --
 defending what he's told you as accurate and the truth.
 
 It's your call, of course. However, if you were serious
 about asking why you should care, I refer you to the 
 following citations, posted here over the last year 
 by a noted expert on liars and lying:
 


So...

When are you going to admit to yourself why you post here?






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Surely MMY would not deliberately deceive the English?

2006-09-06 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 When are you going to admit to yourself why you post here?

I post here because I'm utterly fascinated by the
machinations of cults and religions and spiritual
groups. I'm a student of comparative spirituality; 
I read books on the subject constantly, and I'm 
currently working on two different books of my own 
on the subject. This group provides me with a wealth 
of data for both.

Also, this group contains some really, really 
nice people -- the kind of folks who have weathered
the ups and downs of the TM movement and many others
and come out of that roller-coaster ride unscathed,
with their sense of hope and spiritual aspiration
intact. That is rare, and I treasure it. It's always
a pleasure to read a post by someone who, given their
life experience, has had every excuse in the world
to become jaded and give up on the spiritual quest, 
but who hasn't.

Occasionally I like to read the posts here to see 
the extremes that True Believers will go to to avoid
dealing with what *they* are really upset about.
That's where you fit in. :-)

And the most important reason I read this forum and
post to it is that there are some genuinely funny
people here. I know (given recent posts of yours)
that you really don't get the importance of having
a sense of humor -- and a fairly bizarre one at that --
in spiritual practice, but many here do. In general,
most of the funny ones have paid their spiritual dues
along the Way (often a fairly gnarly Way), and their 
sense of humor, like their hope, has survived intact. 
Equally in general, those regular posters who have 
*not* paid their spiritual dues tend to be a tad 
humorless, and strive constantly to be taken 
seriously, without ever having earned it. I prefer 
the funny ones.

Occasionally -- but IMO too rarely -- you fit into 
the funny group as well. I honestly believe that you'd 
be a lot happier and have many fewer problems with your 
health and with your compulsions if you focused more 
on being funny and less -- *much* less -- on being 
taken seriously. Clearly the latter approach isn't
working, because so few people do take you seriously.

But of course you won't believe a word of this, right?

Like others here, you're convinced that you know
the truth, and that I am lying about my secret
motives and my agenda. May that conviction and that
knowledge bring you great joy. Posting here several 
hours a day certainly doesn't seem to have done so...








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Surely MMY would not deliberately deceive the English?

2006-09-06 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
 Like others here, you're convinced that you know
 the truth, and that I am lying about my secret
 motives and my agenda. May that conviction and that
 knowledge bring you great joy. Posting here several 
 hours a day certainly doesn't seem to have done so...

(In passing, note that the words Barry has enclosed
in quotes in his response to Lawson, as if they were
words Lawson has used, are mostly words Barry has
put in his mouth.  This is one of Barry's standard
tactics.)

This is the part of what Barry just quoted from
my posts of a year ago that's most germane to
Barry himself:

---

And this insightful analysis from a commenter
on Kevin Drum's Political Animal blog:

What the study seems to be saying is that the people who are great
liars have less grey matter to work with, which is the element that
does the serious calculating work, so it's terrifically harder for
them to work out the actual truth of something, but really easy to
make up a great story about it, a story that outwardly fits tightly
to the few most obvious facts which are all they can really
determine.

http://tinyurl.com/c9f82

--

Virtually every one of Barry's rants about MMY,
the TMO, True Believers, and those on this
forum with whom he disagrees fit this pattern.

The quote above would seem to give him
something of an out in that it describes
how things really look to him; he's genuinely
incapable of determining the actual truth of
something, so he isn't lying per se.

However, he also has a long record of telling
deliberate lies about even the few most obvious
facts.  Ironically, this is primarily evident
in his rants against individuals on this forum
in terms of what they've said and done here (and
on alt.m.t) in the past.  It's ironic because
these are the easiest to check up on given the
availability of what they've actually said and
done via the archives.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Surely MMY would not deliberately deceive the English?

2006-09-06 Thread new . morning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 And this insightful analysis from a commenter
 on Kevin Drum's Political Animal blog:
 
 What the study seems to be saying is that the people who are great
 liars have less grey matter to work with, which is the element that
 does the serious calculating work, so it's terrifically harder for
 them to work out the actual truth of something, but really easy to
 make up a great story about it, a story that outwardly fits tightly
 to the few most obvious facts which are all they can really
 determine.
 
 http://tinyurl.com/c9f82
 

This would imply that liars may not be consciously deciding to lie.
They simply are a bit dimwitted (less grey matter) but are clever,have
a gift for gab (more white matter).  That is, they simply don't get
many things, but are good at spinning compelling stories about the
quite limited stuff they do get.
  
I know some,perhaps many, that appear to fit that model.







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mayi Amma

2006-09-06 Thread Sal Sunshine
On Sep 6, 2006, at 1:30 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:

 Within that (artificial) breakdown, I find it interesting
 what type of experiences themselves different seekers
 seem to be interested in and attracted to. Some seem to
 be attracted to the more pragmatic types of experience,
 and other seem to be more attracted to the more woo-woo,
 very-possibly-fictional types of experience. I guess
 it's the same distinction you see in mainstream religion;
 some Christians feel drawn to Christ because of his
 attitude towards the poor and the downtrodden, and
 others can appreciate only the flashy stuff, the walking
 on water and the miracles.

Good distinctions.

Sal



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Surely MMY would not deliberately deceive the English?

2006-09-06 Thread Peter


--- Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On 29th September 1967 'The Frost Programme'
 included an interview with 
 Maharishi Mahesh Yogi at London Airport. During the
 chat the topic of 
 mantras came up. His answer would give the listener
 the idea that the 
 TM movement used a palette of 'thousands' of
 mantras, which, if it were 
 not true, would amount to false advertising. 
 
 Frost - Is that the same sound that you give to each
 person?
 MMY - No, each person gets different but we don't
 have as many sounds 
 as we have men in the world. So they are grouped
 together.
 Frost - How many sounds are there?
 MMY - Oh there are lots of sounds.
 Frost - I mean hundreds or thousands or ...?
 MMY - You could say thousands.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Surely MMY would not deliberately deceive the English?

2006-09-06 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 On 29th September 1967 'The Frost Programme' included an interview
 with Maharishi Mahesh Yogi at London Airport. During the chat the 
 topic of mantras came up. His answer would give the listener the
 idea that the TM movement used a palette of 'thousands' of mantras, 
 which, if it were not true, would amount to false advertising. 
 
 Frost - Is that the same sound that you give to each person?
 MMY - No, each person gets different but we don't have as many sounds 
 as we have men in the world. So they are grouped together.
 Frost - How many sounds are there?
 MMY - Oh there are lots of sounds.
 Frost - I mean hundreds or thousands or ...?
 MMY - You could say thousands.

Two points here.  First, people aren't persuaded to
learn TM because they are led to believe thousands
of mantras are used, so to call this false advertising
is a bit of a stretch.

Second, certainly it's deceptive on its own terms.
MMY surely knew Frost was asking specifically about
mantras as used in TM, and that's what most
listeners would have assumed he was asking about,
so Paul is quite right, they would have interpreted
MMY's response in that sense.

But MMY responded as though Frost were asking about
mantras generally.  It's an instance of plausible
deniability--i.e., if confronted, he could have
claimed to have understood Frost's questions to
be general rather than specific.  In that context,
his replies were perfectly accurate, so he wasn't
lying per se.

Obviously MMY didn't want to get into the specifics
of the mantras in TM.  If he'd said, Oh, a dozen
or so, that would have led to more questions: Why
that particular dozen? and so on.

He should just have said he'd rather not get into
specifics and left it at that.  Perhaps he would have
if Frost had asked, How many sounds do you use in TM?
rather than, How many sounds are there?  But Frost's
question was imprecise, and MMY took advantage of it
so as not to appear to be withholding information.

(Actually he gave a bit of a hint that he wasn't being
entirely forthright: *You could say* thousands,
i.e., you could say that if you were referring to
the number of mantras that exist, rather than the
number used in TM.)






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Surely MMY would not deliberately deceive the English?

2006-09-06 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
  And this insightful analysis from a commenter
  on Kevin Drum's Political Animal blog:
  
  What the study seems to be saying is that the people who are
  great liars have less grey matter to work with, which is the 
  element that does the serious calculating work, so it's 
  terrifically harder for them to work out the actual truth of 
  something, but really easy to make up a great story about it,
  a story that outwardly fits tightly to the few most obvious
  facts which are all they can really determine.
  
  http://tinyurl.com/c9f82
 
 This would imply that liars may not be consciously deciding
 to lie. They simply are a bit dimwitted (less grey matter) but
 are clever,have a gift for gab (more white matter).  That is,
 they simply don't get many things, but are good at spinning 
 compelling stories about the quite limited stuff they do get.

Great minds...  I just made the same point in another
post.

 I know some,perhaps many, that appear to fit that model.

However, there are some to whom this model applies
who *also* tell outright, very conscious lies.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Mayi Amma

2006-09-06 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 On Sep 6, 2006, at 1:30 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
 
  Within that (artificial) breakdown, I find it interesting
  what type of experiences themselves different seekers
  seem to be interested in and attracted to. Some seem to
  be attracted to the more pragmatic types of experience,
  and other seem to be more attracted to the more woo-woo,
  very-possibly-fictional types of experience. I guess
  it's the same distinction you see in mainstream religion;
  some Christians feel drawn to Christ because of his
  attitude towards the poor and the downtrodden, and
  others can appreciate only the flashy stuff, the walking
  on water and the miracles.
 
 Good distinctions.

Which ones would you say Barry is more interested in?






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[FairfieldLife] Re: TM News E-Zine from Great Britain -- nice pics of MMY's house

2006-09-06 Thread jyouells2000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, george_deforest
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Latest issue of Transcendental Meditation News (July/August 2006),
 an e-zine from Great Britain. This issue is available for free 
 download in PDF format 
 
   http://www.tmnews.net/assets/TMNewsAug2006.pdf 
 
 future issues will also be available for download.
 Printed copies of the magazine are available for purchase 
 at the Maharishi Golden Dome in Skelmersdale (cover price: £2.75) 
 and by mail throughout Britain or any part of the world. 
 
 For more details and online subscriptions, see: www.TMNews.net
 To view previous newsletters go to: 
  http://www.globalcountry.org.uk/news.php
 
 --

Well crafted advertizing for selling real estate.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Surely MMY would not deliberately deceive the English?

2006-09-06 Thread new . morning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
   And this insightful analysis from a commenter
   on Kevin Drum's Political Animal blog:
   
   What the study seems to be saying is that the people who are
   great liars have less grey matter to work with, which is the 
   element that does the serious calculating work, so it's 
   terrifically harder for them to work out the actual truth of 
   something, but really easy to make up a great story about it,
   a story that outwardly fits tightly to the few most obvious
   facts which are all they can really determine.
   
   http://tinyurl.com/c9f82
  
  This would imply that liars may not be consciously deciding
  to lie. They simply are a bit dimwitted (less grey matter) but
  are clever,have a gift for gab (more white matter).  That is,
  they simply don't get many things, but are good at spinning 
  compelling stories about the quite limited stuff they do get.
 
 Great minds...  I just made the same point in another
 post.
 
  I know some,perhaps many, that appear to fit that model.
 
 However, there are some to whom this model applies
 who *also* tell outright, very conscious lies.


A fuller model is to view it as a matrix, say 3x3, like a tic-tac-toe
board. Grey matter (processing power) on one axis, white
(connectivity) on another.

1 being lowest, 3 highest, with grey matter being denoted first.

A 3,3 at upper right cell, is brillant and articulate.
A 1,1 at lower left cell is dimwitted and slow of tongue.
A large portion of the population are 2,2 -- the center square.

A 3,1 is the brilliant professor, who can't lecture for shyte.

A 1,3 is perhaps a low-level comic -- spinning good tales but no real
insight. Or some politicians. GWB might be a 1.3. Though probably a
1,2 or 1,1.

Though its not as simple as this model suggests, I presume.

Great discoveries and artistic leaps are due to greater connectivity,
as far as I have read. Maybe a different type of connectivity than the
gift for gabbers. Einstein and Darwin had many more enlivened
synapes (connectivity) than your average professor, I specualate. The
former made great leaps, connecting stuff others had not previously.
While the heavy grey matter types, but low connectivity types are good
researchers, pushing science (or art) ahead a small step at a time --
but not at great new paradigm shifts.

Perhaps a 3D matrix is needed to model this. Processing / Insight
connectivity / communications connctivity.
 
This also relates to experiences and their interpretation, and views
of how the world works. Insights are from connectivity (white
matter), analysis of the insight -- kicking the tires -- are from grey
matter. 

A spoof on spaced-out new-age types is that they postulate great
things from connecting some dots -- a wow type thing. Heavy! being
the response. But they lack the grey matter to then properly analyze
the insight to see if it holds water. Many great flashes of insight
(connectivity) are duely thrown in the trash bin because upon
reflection, they are full of holes. 












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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mayi Amma

2006-09-06 Thread Sal Sunshine

On Sep 6, 2006, at 8:37 AM, authfriend wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

 On Sep 6, 2006, at 1:30 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:

 Within that (artificial) breakdown, I find it interesting
 what type of experiences themselves different seekers
 seem to be interested in and attracted to. Some seem to
 be attracted to the more pragmatic types of experience,
 and other seem to be more attracted to the more woo-woo,
 very-possibly-fictional types of experience. I guess
 it's the same distinction you see in mainstream religion;
 some Christians feel drawn to Christ because of his
 attitude towards the poor and the downtrodden, and
 others can appreciate only the flashy stuff, the walking
 on water and the miracles.

 Good distinctions.

 Which ones would you say Barry is more interested in?

How would I know?  I'm not a mind reader.  Why don't you ask him 
yourself?

Sal



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[FairfieldLife] 3 Bedroom House for Rent

2006-09-06 Thread Lynn Waters
My house on South 2nd street is for rent.  3 bedrooms, 2 baths,
central heat/ac, modern appliances in kitchen.  East facing.  Garage.
 It's a super deal for $600 a month!  Hurry while offer lasts!

Please email me at the address herein or call me on my cell phone
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Pass this along!

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Mayi Amma

2006-09-06 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 
 On Sep 6, 2006, at 8:37 AM, authfriend wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@
  wrote:
 
  On Sep 6, 2006, at 1:30 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
 
  Within that (artificial) breakdown, I find it interesting
  what type of experiences themselves different seekers
  seem to be interested in and attracted to. Some seem to
  be attracted to the more pragmatic types of experience,
  and other seem to be more attracted to the more woo-woo,
  very-possibly-fictional types of experience. I guess
  it's the same distinction you see in mainstream religion;
  some Christians feel drawn to Christ because of his
  attitude towards the poor and the downtrodden, and
  others can appreciate only the flashy stuff, the walking
  on water and the miracles.
 
  Good distinctions.
 
  Which ones would you say Barry is more interested in?
 
 How would I know?  I'm not a mind reader.

I mean based on his posts here, of course.

 Why don't you ask him yourself?

Sure, Sal, sure.







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[FairfieldLife] If Only Steve Irwin had Become a TM Teacher.

2006-09-06 Thread new . morning
The World Plan would haev been accomplished years ago.

With full Steve Irwin passion and enthusiasm:

Kreiky! There I was standing standing before the greatest teacher on
earth -- of all times, trembling, me Steve Irwin the greatest crock
catcher in the world, trembling, because this TM is so increadibly
powerful and Maharishi is so awesome. And he said Steve, go out and
teach this precious knowledge to the world  Kreiky! I was
thunderstruck! Like a huge herd of wild elphants was stampeding in my
heart and brain. Kreiky! I said, Maharish, I am nothing if not total
enthusiasm and passion. I will use my powers to enlighten the world.
Kreiky! So here I am, with the most powerful, jaw snapping technique
for personal enlightenment and world peace ever revealed. It will make
you faster than a cheetah racing across the plains, more nimble than
monkeys swinging in vines across the jungle, more royal than the king
of the lions in all of Africa. Krieky! This TM is amazing. Just do it!
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[FairfieldLife] Re: If Only Steve Irwin had Become a TM Teacher.

2006-09-06 Thread curtisdeltablues
Can you imagine his reaction to the draining influence of animals rap?



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The World Plan would haev been accomplished years ago.
 
 With full Steve Irwin passion and enthusiasm:
 
 Kreiky! There I was standing standing before the greatest teacher on
 earth -- of all times, trembling, me Steve Irwin the greatest crock
 catcher in the world, trembling, because this TM is so increadibly
 powerful and Maharishi is so awesome. And he said Steve, go out and
 teach this precious knowledge to the world  Kreiky! I was
 thunderstruck! Like a huge herd of wild elphants was stampeding in my
 heart and brain. Kreiky! I said, Maharish, I am nothing if not total
 enthusiasm and passion. I will use my powers to enlighten the world.
 Kreiky! So here I am, with the most powerful, jaw snapping technique
 for personal enlightenment and world peace ever revealed. It will make
 you faster than a cheetah racing across the plains, more nimble than
 monkeys swinging in vines across the jungle, more royal than the king
 of the lions in all of Africa. Krieky! This TM is amazing. Just do it!
 Kreiky







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[FairfieldLife] Evil spirits in the white house

2006-09-06 Thread markmeredith2002
From the new Rove biography:

Soon after Rove moved into his new office in the West Wing, previously
occupied by Hillary Clinton, he invited three top Catholic priests to
conduct a ceremony to purge the room of evil spirits. It was an
actual liturgical ceremony, says participant Deal Hudson. We sat at
the table, we prayed. A priest said a series of prayers, including a
blessing.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: If Only Steve Irwin had Become a TM Teacher.

2006-09-06 Thread markmeredith2002
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The World Plan would haev been accomplished years ago.
 With full Steve Irwin passion and enthusiasm:

Almost exactly what MMY said -- talking about if only he had had Ron
Hubbard, founder of Scientology, running the movement.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: If Only Steve Irwin had Become a TM Teacher.

2006-09-06 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote:
 
  The World Plan would haev been accomplished years ago.
  With full Steve Irwin passion and enthusiasm:
 
 Almost exactly what MMY said -- talking about if only he had 
 had Ron Hubbard, founder of Scientology, running the movement.

That might have had a down side though. With L Ron
Hubbard in place, the TM movement might have seen
some of the weirdnesses that we saw develop in
Scientology, like charging people a small fortune
for courses, hounding people out of the organiz-
ation for not believing exactly what they were told 
to believe, developing lists of suppressive persons, 
that sorta thing. I think in retrospect it was better 
that they left the TMO in the hands of highly evolved 
yogis who have the full support of nature...  :-)








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[FairfieldLife] Re: If Only Steve Irwin had Become a TM Teacher.

2006-09-06 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 Can you imagine his reaction to the draining influence of animals rap?
 
 

I think he would have agreed, in context. Have  you ever tried to take care of 
a lonely 
kitten? They're fun, but REALLY high maintainance. 


 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote:
 
  The World Plan would haev been accomplished years ago.
  
  With full Steve Irwin passion and enthusiasm:
  
  Kreiky! There I was standing standing before the greatest teacher on
  earth -- of all times, trembling, me Steve Irwin the greatest crock
  catcher in the world, trembling, because this TM is so increadibly
  powerful and Maharishi is so awesome. And he said Steve, go out and
  teach this precious knowledge to the world  Kreiky! I was
  thunderstruck! Like a huge herd of wild elphants was stampeding in my
  heart and brain. Kreiky! I said, Maharish, I am nothing if not total
  enthusiasm and passion. I will use my powers to enlighten the world.
  Kreiky! So here I am, with the most powerful, jaw snapping technique
  for personal enlightenment and world peace ever revealed. It will make
  you faster than a cheetah racing across the plains, more nimble than
  monkeys swinging in vines across the jungle, more royal than the king
  of the lions in all of Africa. Krieky! This TM is amazing. Just do it!
  Kreiky
 







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[FairfieldLife] Re: If Only Steve Irwin had Become a TM Teacher.

2006-09-06 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002
 markmeredith@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote:
  
   The World Plan would haev been accomplished years ago.
   With full Steve Irwin passion and enthusiasm:
  
  Almost exactly what MMY said -- talking about if only he had 
  had Ron Hubbard, founder of Scientology, running the movement.
 
 That might have had a down side though. With L Ron
 Hubbard in place, the TM movement might have seen
 some of the weirdnesses that we saw develop in
 Scientology, like charging people a small fortune
 for courses, hounding people out of the organiz-
 ation for not believing exactly what they were told 
 to believe, developing lists of suppressive persons, 
 that sorta thing. I think in retrospect it was better 
 that they left the TMO in the hands of highly evolved 
 yogis who have the full support of nature...  :-)



Heh. I note the smiley, but if you have the slightest shred of seriousness in 
that passage 
above, you REALLY don't udnerstand how Scientiology works on an organizational 
level.






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[FairfieldLife] Review of Alan Waite's DVD on Maharishi

2006-09-06 Thread Marek Reavis
Just received the DVD that Alan Waite did on Maharishi in 1968.  Short 
and not all that much of Maharishi, and what was shown was so 
introductory that it pretty much was the basic sales pitch he was using 
at that time.  The interview with Jerry interspersed throughtout was 
far more interesting to me.  Him and also Theresa Olsen talking about 
getting her word of wisdom from Maharishi plus seeing a super young 
Keith Wallace in his white lab coat twisting dials and fiddling with 
switches at a big ol' lab computer and just the feeling of the late 
60's and the movement around that time.  Nostalgic would be apt.

However, the main reason I got the DVD was to get some footage of Guru 
Dev which was excerpted from the little 10-minute film we used to show 
on ATRs.  But, except for the very first scene shown of Guru Dev (maybe 
2-3 seconds worth), all the rest was mirror-imaged reversed.  Very 
disappointing.  So, for me, the DVD doesn't contain much interesting 
material and the footage of Guru Dev is flipped.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Evil spirits in the white house

2006-09-06 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 From the new Rove biography:
 
 Soon after Rove moved into his new office in the West Wing, previously
 occupied by Hillary Clinton, he invited three top Catholic priests to
 conduct a ceremony to purge the room of evil spirits. It was an
 actual liturgical ceremony, says participant Deal Hudson. We sat at
 the table, we prayed. A priest said a series of prayers, including a
 blessing.


Since Rove apparently didn't disappear in a puff of moke, I think we can assume 
that it didn't 
work...






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: If Only Steve Irwin had Become a TM Teacher.

2006-09-06 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: If Only Steve Irwin had Become a TM Teacher.





on 9/6/06 1:17 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


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 Can you imagine his reaction to the draining influence of animals rap?
 
 
 
 I think he would have agreed, in context. Have you ever tried to take care of 
 a lonely 
 kitten? They're fun, but REALLY high maintainance. 

As are tsunami, hurricane and earthquake victims, orphans, the elderly, the poor and destitute, etc. Better to just let them suffer and take care of ones self. If you are the only one who knows about watering the root, dont bother watering the leaves. Let those of lesser understanding do that.

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[FairfieldLife] The perfect conspiracy theory

2006-09-06 Thread shempmcgurk
The attack on the World Trade Center was planned to happen in 
September because the anniversary will always fall at a time of year 
close to November -- when major U.S. elections always occur --  and 
will made the need to protect America fresh in voters' minds and they 
will therefore be predisposed to vote for a pro-defense party, i.e. 
the Republican.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: If Only Steve Irwin had Become a TM Teacher.

2006-09-06 Thread curtisdeltablues
I am too much of a cat person to experience anything but joy from
kittens.  But an overactive dog might wear me out!

Nothing seemed to wear Steve out, he was in critter-loving GC. I never
heard MMY give any context to that little phobia gem. 


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
 
  Can you imagine his reaction to the draining influence of
animals rap?
  
  
 
 I think he would have agreed, in context. Have  you ever tried to
take care of a lonely 
 kitten? They're fun, but REALLY high maintainance. 
 
 
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote:
  
   The World Plan would haev been accomplished years ago.
   
   With full Steve Irwin passion and enthusiasm:
   
   Kreiky! There I was standing standing before the greatest
teacher on
   earth -- of all times, trembling, me Steve Irwin the greatest crock
   catcher in the world, trembling, because this TM is so increadibly
   powerful and Maharishi is so awesome. And he said Steve, go out and
   teach this precious knowledge to the world  Kreiky! I was
   thunderstruck! Like a huge herd of wild elphants was stampeding
in my
   heart and brain. Kreiky! I said, Maharish, I am nothing if not
total
   enthusiasm and passion. I will use my powers to enlighten the world.
   Kreiky! So here I am, with the most powerful, jaw snapping technique
   for personal enlightenment and world peace ever revealed. It
will make
   you faster than a cheetah racing across the plains, more nimble than
   monkeys swinging in vines across the jungle, more royal than the
king
   of the lions in all of Africa. Krieky! This TM is amazing. Just
do it!
   Kreiky
  
 







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Mayi Amma

2006-09-06 Thread gerbal88
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   'Mayi Amma is hundreds of years old.. She used towalk right
   into the sea
   and stay underwater at the sea bed years onend..
  
   The gospel according to t3rinity.
  
   Makes me wonder...when did stuff like this start being gospel
   and stop being fairy tales?
  
   My experience is that the more real, strong, vibrant
   and consistent spiritual experiences that people are
   having in a spiritual group, the *less* interest there
   is in the group with these sorts of things. And the
   fewer spiritual experiences people are having on a
   daily basis, the more interest there is in such things.
  
  Probably true.  But I'm not interested in either one, so 
  I wonder where that leaves me? :)  It's not that I'm not 
  interested in the spiritual experiences (so-called) I'm 
  just not interested in chattering about it--seems kind 
  of pointless.
  
  But others obviously are--so chatter away! :)
 
 Indeed, Sal. In fact, one of the distinctions made by
 some traditions between different two basic types of 
 spiritual seekers is that one type is more interested 
 in discussing/studying the experiences of others and
 and the other type is more interested/only interested 
 in having their own experiences.
 
 Within that (artificial) breakdown, I find it interesting 
 what type of experiences themselves different seekers 
 seem to be interested in and attracted to. Some seem to 
 be attracted to the more pragmatic types of experience, 
 and other seem to be more attracted to the more woo-woo, 
 very-possibly-fictional types of experience. I guess 
 it's the same distinction you see in mainstream religion; 
 some Christians feel drawn to Christ because of his 
 attitude towards the poor and the downtrodden, and 
 others can appreciate only the flashy stuff, the walking 
 on water and the miracles.
 
 Again, different strokes for different folks...


Thanks to both of you. Since reading Paul's post re Sattyanand and 
Guru Dev's death, I have been thinking that the only point in a 
discussion group with a supposed spiritual bent is to help one 
another advance -- to share experiences, methods, teachings. It's 
so easy to get sucked into sectarianism and fundamentalism and closed-
minded bickering. -- I don't think it matters which/whose tradition 
what comes from; it's all valuable to someone, sometime, somewhere. 

The secrecy thing that shrouds TM is such reactionary and petty 
separatism doesn't help anyone. It breeds jealousy, egoism, paranoia 
and a general drag on evolution. 

Again, thanks to you (and many others) -- there is still hope.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mayi Amma

2006-09-06 Thread Sal Sunshine
On Sep 6, 2006, at 1:56 PM, gerbal88 wrote:

 The secrecy thing that shrouds TM is such reactionary and petty
 separatism doesn't help anyone. It breeds jealousy, egoism, paranoia
 and a general drag on evolution.

Other than that, though, it's just great, right? :)

Sal



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Is Couric Enlightened?'

2006-09-06 Thread Bhairitu
Robert Gimbel wrote:

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  

Robert Gimbel wrote:



A couple of years ago, I remember watching, 'The Today Show';
 And I was noticing how spontaneous, and focused Katie Couric 
  

seemed to be.
  

 I was even noticing the possibility that she was experiencing 
  

enlightenment;
  

 In noticing how she would phrase things, as though she 
  

was 'witnessing'.
  

 It was just my feeling at the time; but it would be interesting 
  

to have an;
  

 Enlightened Newscaster who is as big as it gets in the news 
  

business.
  

 Good Luck Sri Kai-tee...
The CBS EVENING NEWS WITH KATIE COURIC debuts Tuesday, Sept. 5 
  

(6:30-7:00 PM, ET/PT). 
  

 

  

I was always funny in the movement when so many of the meditators 


saw 
  

someone who was bright, articulate, and had rose to a high place 


think 
  

that person was enlightened.  But you should have learned by now 


not to 
  

base such judgments on enlightenment on such external qualities.  


About 
  

20% of the population are fairly bright but I wouldn't say they are 
enlightened.  I have certainly met many people who were bright and 
articulate but clueless about the subject of transcendence and 


higher 
  

states of consciousness.  They were still superficial about life in 
general.  However they might show an interest in higher states of 
consciousness even admitting I've always wanted to learn more 


about that.

On the other hand, I think we are programmed to think that only 
a 'Guru' type could be enlightened, and not someone who is an 
ordinary part of society;
This I feel is wrong:
I was making this comment based on my own experience, not so much 
about how 'bright or clever she is;
But rather a depth, since the death of her husband, and a certain 
feeling of compassion that she eminates.
I think it would be good for all of us, to start recognizing everyday 
people exibiting signs of enlightenment, if not fully established, 
than at least that it won't be like times past, where the enlighened 
ones were few and far between.
R.G.

I didn't say that only gurus could be enlightened.  You misunderstood.  
Clearly as anyone who knows the Indian culture would say that is not the 
case.   However it might be safer (and saner) to say that Couric is very 
compassionate.  I have very compassionate members of my family that I 
know are not enlightened.  :)




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Review of Alan Waite's DVD on Maharishi

2006-09-06 Thread bob_brigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis 
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 Just received the DVD that Alan Waite did on Maharishi in 1968.  
Short 
 and not all that much of Maharishi, and what was shown was so 
 introductory that it pretty much was the basic sales pitch he was 
using 
 at that time.  The interview with Jerry interspersed throughtout 
was 
 far more interesting to me.  Him and also Theresa Olsen talking 
about 
 getting her word of wisdom from Maharishi plus seeing a super young 
 Keith Wallace in his white lab coat twisting dials and fiddling 
with 
 switches at a big ol' lab computer and just the feeling of the late 
 60's and the movement around that time.  Nostalgic would be apt.
 
 However, the main reason I got the DVD was to get some footage of 
Guru 
 Dev which was excerpted from the little 10-minute film we used to 
show 
 on ATRs.  But, except for the very first scene shown of Guru Dev 
(maybe 
 2-3 seconds worth), all the rest was mirror-imaged reversed.  Very 
 disappointing.  So, for me, the DVD doesn't contain much 
interesting 
 material and the footage of Guru Dev is flipped.


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[FairfieldLife] Re: Mayi Amma

2006-09-06 Thread gerbal88
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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 On Sep 6, 2006, at 1:56 PM, gerbal88 wrote:
 
  The secrecy thing that shrouds TM is such reactionary and petty
  separatism doesn't help anyone. It breeds jealousy, egoism, 
paranoia
  and a general drag on evolution.
 
 Other than that, though, it's just great, right? :)
 
 Sal

You lost me, what's just great, TM? It's a fundamental beginner's 
technique. The TMO? surely not. From a perspective of having had 
training in traditions other than TM or Hindu, there are better 
teachings that would have worked with TM. I don't think Mahesh wanted 
TM to work as in cause anyone to become his rival or actually be 
enlightened. Remember what he said about Lillian Rosen, the AT 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mayi Amma

2006-09-06 Thread Sal Sunshine
On Sep 6, 2006, at 5:14 PM, gerbal88 wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

 On Sep 6, 2006, at 1:56 PM, gerbal88 wrote:

 The secrecy thing that shrouds TM is such reactionary and petty
 separatism doesn't help anyone. It breeds jealousy, egoism,
 paranoia
 and a general drag on evolution.

 Other than that, though, it's just great, right? :)

 Sal

 You lost me, what's just great, TM?

It was just a joke.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: test

2006-09-06 Thread authfriend
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 test

FWIW, I was testing because several posts I made
today did not appear on the Web site.

At some point this morning Yahoo did something to
the groups' Web sites, because the message lists
were in a different format and all the links to
read messages went back to unread.

For the past couple of weeks, it's been quite a
trick to read and post; FFL (and other groups)
would be intermittently unavailable or produce a
Page not found error, or simply be impossibly
slow (two or three minutes to load a page on my
relatively speedy cable connection).

Now that seems to be back to normal after whatever
they did this morning, but some posts may not have
made it to the Web site.

And the Advanced Search feature is gone.  The link
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Evil spirits in the white house

2006-09-06 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 
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 From the new Rove biography:
 
 Soon after Rove moved into his new office in the West Wing, previously
 occupied by Hillary Clinton, he invited three top Catholic priests to
 conduct a ceremony to purge the room of evil spirits. It was an
 actual liturgical ceremony, says participant Deal Hudson. We sat at
 the table, we prayed. A priest said a series of prayers, including a
 blessing.

Didn't work, apparently.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Mayi Amma

2006-09-06 Thread gerbal88
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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 On Sep 6, 2006, at 5:14 PM, gerbal88 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@
  wrote:
 
  On Sep 6, 2006, at 1:56 PM, gerbal88 wrote:
 
  The secrecy thing that shrouds TM is such reactionary and petty
  separatism doesn't help anyone. It breeds jealousy, egoism,
  paranoia
  and a general drag on evolution.
 
  Other than that, though, it's just great, right? :)
 
  Sal
 
  You lost me, what's just great, TM?
 
 It was just a joke.
 
 Sal


duh! sorry, just not with it today. 





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[FairfieldLife] Re: If Only Steve Irwin had Become a TM Teacher.

2006-09-06 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 on 9/6/06 1:17 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
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   , curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
   
   Can you imagine his reaction to the draining influence of animals 
   rap?
   
   
   
   I think he would have agreed, in context. Have  you ever tried to take 
   care
  of 
   a lonely 
   kitten? They're fun, but REALLY high maintainance.
  
 As are tsunami, hurricane and earthquake victims, orphans, the elderly, the
 poor and destitute, etc. Better to just let them suffer and take care of
 one¹s self. If you are the only one who knows about watering the root, don¹t
 bother watering the leaves. Let those of lesser understanding do that.



Um, usually it is me who comes up with barely tangential comments, Rick...


As I understand it, MMY's comment was about PETS, not tsunami, hurricane and 
earthquake victims, orphans, the elderly, the poor and destitute, etc., nor 
even farm 
animals or wildlife that you work with as part of your job or visit at the zoo 
or fish for 
while on the job or while on vacation, etc.

And his warning to keep pets out of the room when meditating is quite worth 
listening to. 
The very first meditation I did at home, my cats started chasing each other 
around he 
room and ended up fornicating in my lap while I was meditating. This was a bit 
annoying, 
to say the least.

Are you suggesting that

Cats who are fornicating in your lap is no barrier to meditation? Perhaps, 
technically, it 
isn't but I keep all pets out of the room when mediating and have for 33 years.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: The perfect conspiracy theory

2006-09-06 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The attack on the World Trade Center was planned to happen in 
 September because the anniversary will always fall at a time of year 
 close to November -- when major U.S. elections always occur --  and 
 will made the need to protect America fresh in voters' minds and they 
 will therefore be predisposed to vote for a pro-defense party, i.e. 
 the Republican.


Bin Laden lovs Republicans, eh? Bush knew very well an attack was coming but 
since he didn't 
know the exact time, date and location, he couldn't have done anything more to 
stop it than 
he was already doing...

How's that for a counter-conspiaracy, equally lame?

BTW, BUSH DID know that an attack was coming, AND that is what HE says about 
preventing 
it...

Maybe not so lame, afterall...






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Evil spirits in the white house

2006-09-06 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 
 markmeredith@ wrote:
 
  From the new Rove biography:
  
  Soon after Rove moved into his new office in the West Wing, previously
  occupied by Hillary Clinton, he invited three top Catholic priests to
  conduct a ceremony to purge the room of evil spirits. It was an
  actual liturgical ceremony, says participant Deal Hudson. We sat at
  the table, we prayed. A priest said a series of prayers, including a
  blessing.
 
 Didn't work, apparently.


Great minds?







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[FairfieldLife] Re: If Only Steve Irwin had Become a TM Teacher.

2006-09-06 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 I am too much of a cat person to experience anything but joy from
 kittens.  But an overactive dog might wear me out!
 
 Nothing seemed to wear Steve out, he was in critter-loving GC. I never
 heard MMY give any context to that little phobia gem. 
 
 

I Iheard it in the context of having pets. Do you think he meant that one 
shouldn't work on 
a farm?



 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
 curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
  
   Can you imagine his reaction to the draining influence of
 animals rap?
   
   
  
  I think he would have agreed, in context. Have  you ever tried to
 take care of a lonely 
  kitten? They're fun, but REALLY high maintainance. 
  
  
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote:
   
The World Plan would haev been accomplished years ago.

With full Steve Irwin passion and enthusiasm:

Kreiky! There I was standing standing before the greatest
 teacher on
earth -- of all times, trembling, me Steve Irwin the greatest crock
catcher in the world, trembling, because this TM is so increadibly
powerful and Maharishi is so awesome. And he said Steve, go out and
teach this precious knowledge to the world  Kreiky! I was
thunderstruck! Like a huge herd of wild elphants was stampeding
 in my
heart and brain. Kreiky! I said, Maharish, I am nothing if not
 total
enthusiasm and passion. I will use my powers to enlighten the world.
Kreiky! So here I am, with the most powerful, jaw snapping technique
for personal enlightenment and world peace ever revealed. It
 will make
you faster than a cheetah racing across the plains, more nimble than
monkeys swinging in vines across the jungle, more royal than the
 king
of the lions in all of Africa. Krieky! This TM is amazing. Just
 do it!
Kreiky
   
  
 







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Mayi Amma

2006-09-06 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gerbal88 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
 
'Mayi Amma is hundreds of years old.. She used towalk right
into the sea
and stay underwater at the sea bed years onend..
   
The gospel according to t3rinity.
   
Makes me wonder...when did stuff like this start being gospel
and stop being fairy tales?
   
My experience is that the more real, strong, vibrant
and consistent spiritual experiences that people are
having in a spiritual group, the *less* interest there
is in the group with these sorts of things. And the
fewer spiritual experiences people are having on a
daily basis, the more interest there is in such things.
   
   Probably true.  But I'm not interested in either one, so 
   I wonder where that leaves me? :)  It's not that I'm not 
   interested in the spiritual experiences (so-called) I'm 
   just not interested in chattering about it--seems kind 
   of pointless.
   
   But others obviously are--so chatter away! :)
  
  Indeed, Sal. In fact, one of the distinctions made by
  some traditions between different two basic types of 
  spiritual seekers is that one type is more interested 
  in discussing/studying the experiences of others and
  and the other type is more interested/only interested 
  in having their own experiences.
  
  Within that (artificial) breakdown, I find it interesting 
  what type of experiences themselves different seekers 
  seem to be interested in and attracted to. Some seem to 
  be attracted to the more pragmatic types of experience, 
  and other seem to be more attracted to the more woo-woo, 
  very-possibly-fictional types of experience. I guess 
  it's the same distinction you see in mainstream religion; 
  some Christians feel drawn to Christ because of his 
  attitude towards the poor and the downtrodden, and 
  others can appreciate only the flashy stuff, the walking 
  on water and the miracles.
  
  Again, different strokes for different folks...
 
 
 Thanks to both of you. Since reading Paul's post re Sattyanand and 
 Guru Dev's death, I have been thinking that the only point in a 
 discussion group with a supposed spiritual bent is to help one 
 another advance -- to share experiences, methods, teachings. It's 
 so easy to get sucked into sectarianism and fundamentalism and closed-
 minded bickering. -- I don't think it matters which/whose tradition 
 what comes from; it's all valuable to someone, sometime, somewhere. 
 
 The secrecy thing that shrouds TM is such reactionary and petty 
 separatism doesn't help anyone. It breeds jealousy, egoism, paranoia 
 and a general drag on evolution. 
 
 Again, thanks to you (and many others) -- there is still hope.


Such things only matter if you worry about them. I can't even remember how to 
say my 
mantra out loud without a lot of thought, so its not an issue for me.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: test

2006-09-06 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
  test
 
 FWIW, I was testing because several posts I made
 today did not appear on the Web site.
 
 At some point this morning Yahoo did something to
 the groups' Web sites, because the message lists
 were in a different format and all the links to
 read messages went back to unread.
 
 For the past couple of weeks, it's been quite a
 trick to read and post; FFL (and other groups)
 would be intermittently unavailable or produce a
 Page not found error, or simply be impossibly
 slow (two or three minutes to load a page on my
 relatively speedy cable connection).
 
 Now that seems to be back to normal after whatever
 they did this morning, but some posts may not have
 made it to the Web site.
 
 And the Advanced Search feature is gone.  The link
 to it is still there, but it takes you to the group's
 home page rather than to the Search feature.  Maybe
 they'll fix that too eventually.


Hey, manual searches done with full human control are the most advanced 
possible. Just 
start at message number one and keep reading. You're sure to find what you're 
looking 
for.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Evil spirits in the white house

2006-09-06 Thread new . morning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From the new Rove biography:
 
 Soon after Rove moved into his new office in the West Wing, previously
 occupied by Hillary Clinton, he invited three top Catholic priests to
 conduct a ceremony to purge the room of evil spirits. It was an
 actual liturgical ceremony, says participant Deal Hudson. We sat at
 the table, we prayed. A priest said a series of prayers, including a
 blessing.


Makes you wonder how many priests were needed to purify the side
chambers off the Oval Office.

Which raises the question, what is the efficiency ration between
exorcising catholic priests and YFs? Pundits? What about
fundamentalist healers? Buddhist chanters? Native American healers?
Blues guitarists?

It would make a great reality TV show. Have 1000 or so of each doing
their thing sequentially. See live wall screen graphs of world
cohenrence paramters. 

Or put 30 congressmen on stage. See which group can make them
evaporate into thin air first.

I am placing my bets on groups 1000 blues guitarists having the
greatest impact per unit. Imagine the results: temple schools,
madrasses, seminaries, and defense departments across the world
teaching Blues Technolgies of World Peace to vast student bodies.

Lead us into Light Sri Curtis!









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[FairfieldLife] Re: Evil spirits in the white house

2006-09-06 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 
  markmeredith@ wrote:
  
   From the new Rove biography:
   
   Soon after Rove moved into his new office in the West Wing, 
previously
   occupied by Hillary Clinton, he invited three top Catholic 
priests to
   conduct a ceremony to purge the room of evil spirits. It was an
   actual liturgical ceremony, says participant Deal Hudson. We 
sat at
   the table, we prayed. A priest said a series of prayers, 
including a
   blessing.
  
  Didn't work, apparently.
 
 
 Great minds?

Yeah--I posted before you did, but my post didn't
appear until after yours did!







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[FairfieldLife] Has anyone here 'perceived' the Ajna chakra?

2006-09-06 Thread wmurphy77
Within the silence of meditation a blue light will appear and 
surrounding this blue light a wider white or golden light, this is the 
light of the all-seeing spiritual eye of the soul (the third eye). Upon 
entry therein the consciousness finds itself one with God in nature 
(Prakiti) also known as Krishna consciousness or Christ consciousness. 

Within this blue light there will appear a white starlike light, this 
is the doorway to transcendental pure consciousness, Savikalpa Samadhi 
of which MMY speaks. When this Savikalpa Samadhi becomes permanent in 
Cosmic Consciousness and the Krishna or Christ consciousness becomes a 
part of the meditators *Samadhi* experience this is *God Consciousness* 
as MMY speaks, the Absolute fullness and Relative fullness. Purnam adah 
and Purnam idam, as Guru Dev was purportedly in.Sahaja-Samadhi or 
all time natural state of Cosmic Consciousness.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: test

2006-09-06 Thread geezerfreak
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 test

Fail.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: test

2006-09-06 Thread Alex Stanley
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
  test
 
 FWIW, I was testing because several posts I made
 today did not appear on the Web site.
 
 At some point this morning Yahoo did something to
 the groups' Web sites, because the message lists
 were in a different format and all the links to
 read messages went back to unread.
 
 For the past couple of weeks, it's been quite a
 trick to read and post; FFL (and other groups)
 would be intermittently unavailable or produce a
 Page not found error, or simply be impossibly
 slow (two or three minutes to load a page on my
 relatively speedy cable connection).
 
 Now that seems to be back to normal after whatever
 they did this morning, but some posts may not have
 made it to the Web site.
 
 And the Advanced Search feature is gone.  The link
 to it is still there, but it takes you to the group's
 home page rather than to the Search feature.  Maybe
 they'll fix that too eventually.

The FFL web interface has been so wonky lately that I subscribed with
a second address and receive the traffic in email.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: test

2006-09-06 Thread Sal Sunshine
On Sep 6, 2006, at 7:17 PM, geezerfreak wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 test

 Fail.

LOL



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[FairfieldLife] Re: If Only Steve Irwin had Become a TM Teacher.

2006-09-06 Thread curtisdeltablues
I think whatever he meant, he is full of it.  He didn't just mean that
they would disturb meditation. It was his personal phobia turned dogma
in my opinion.

Your cats banging in your lap story was great.  If you had it on tape
you would win a funny video prize.




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
 
  I am too much of a cat person to experience anything but joy from
  kittens.  But an overactive dog might wear me out!
  
  Nothing seemed to wear Steve out, he was in critter-loving GC. I never
  heard MMY give any context to that little phobia gem. 
  
  
 
 I Iheard it in the context of having pets. Do you think he meant
that one shouldn't work on 
 a farm?
 
 
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
  curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
   
Can you imagine his reaction to the draining influence of
  animals rap?


   
   I think he would have agreed, in context. Have  you ever tried to
  take care of a lonely 
   kitten? They're fun, but REALLY high maintainance. 
   
   

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@
wrote:

 The World Plan would haev been accomplished years ago.
 
 With full Steve Irwin passion and enthusiasm:
 
 Kreiky! There I was standing standing before the greatest
  teacher on
 earth -- of all times, trembling, me Steve Irwin the
greatest crock
 catcher in the world, trembling, because this TM is so
increadibly
 powerful and Maharishi is so awesome. And he said Steve, go
out and
 teach this precious knowledge to the world  Kreiky! I was
 thunderstruck! Like a huge herd of wild elphants was stampeding
  in my
 heart and brain. Kreiky! I said, Maharish, I am nothing if not
  total
 enthusiasm and passion. I will use my powers to enlighten
the world.
 Kreiky! So here I am, with the most powerful, jaw snapping
technique
 for personal enlightenment and world peace ever revealed. It
  will make
 you faster than a cheetah racing across the plains, more
nimble than
 monkeys swinging in vines across the jungle, more royal than the
  king
 of the lions in all of Africa. Krieky! This TM is amazing. Just
  do it!
 Kreiky

   
  
 








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Review of Alan Waite's DVD on Maharishi

2006-09-06 Thread Marek Reavis

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 **
 
 Any idea on who is still selling the 10 min film of Guru Dev?

**
No, I don't. I have heard that there was a video from a German 
television program dealing with India and saints made some time ago 
that included all or part of the Guru Dev footage.  Don't know any more 
than that.

If anyone does have information re where a copy of that could be 
obtained I am interested.  Thanks.
 
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[FairfieldLife] Bush needs quiet

2006-09-06 Thread George DeForest




Bush Urges Nation To Be Quiet For A Minute While He Tries To Think



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[FairfieldLife] Re: If Only Steve Irwin had Become a TM Teacher.

2006-09-06 Thread new . morning
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  The World Plan would haev been accomplished years ago.
  With full Steve Irwin passion and enthusiasm:
 
 Almost exactly what MMY said -- talking about if only he had had Ron
 Hubbard, founder of Scientology, running the movement.
 
And you thought things are wierd now, just imagine Ron running the
Expansion Division 

(Besides, MMY reconsidered when he found out Ron was an alien Thetan.
Not the right caste.)






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[FairfieldLife] Duh! of the day

2006-09-06 Thread authfriend
Princess Kiko of Japan Has a Boy 
By NORIMITSU ONISHI
Published: September 6, 2006
Kyodo News, via Associated Press

TOKYO, Wednesday, Sept. 6 — Princess Kiko, the wife of the emperor's 
younger son, gave birth to a boy on Wednesday morning, securing the 
succession of Japan's imperial throne for another generation.
 
In an event that had been anticipated for months...






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[FairfieldLife] Re: test

2006-09-06 Thread off_world_beings
It's Dick Cheney doing it. 
He sits in a laundry van watching everyone 24 hours a day 7 days a 
week, interfering with their accoutrements.

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  test
 
 FWIW, I was testing because several posts I made
 today did not appear on the Web site.
 
 At some point this morning Yahoo did something to
 the groups' Web sites, because the message lists
 were in a different format and all the links to
 read messages went back to unread.
 
 For the past couple of weeks, it's been quite a
 trick to read and post; FFL (and other groups)
 would be intermittently unavailable or produce a
 Page not found error, or simply be impossibly
 slow (two or three minutes to load a page on my
 relatively speedy cable connection).
 
 Now that seems to be back to normal after whatever
 they did this morning, but some posts may not have
 made it to the Web site.
 
 And the Advanced Search feature is gone.  The link
 to it is still there, but it takes you to the group's
 home page rather than to the Search feature.  Maybe
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Bush needs quiet

2006-09-06 Thread authfriend
The Onion also has a 9/11 story that's a gut-wrencher:

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/52325







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Has anyone here 'perceived' the Ajna chakra?

2006-09-06 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Within the silence of meditation a blue light will appear and 
 surrounding this blue light a wider white or golden light, this is the 
 light of the all-seeing spiritual eye of the soul (the third eye). Upon 
 entry therein the consciousness finds itself one with God in nature 
 (Prakiti) also known as Krishna consciousness or Christ consciousness. 
 


Interesting. Who says?

 Within this blue light there will appear a white starlike light, this 
 is the doorway to transcendental pure consciousness, Savikalpa Samadhi 
 of which MMY speaks. When this Savikalpa Samadhi becomes permanent in 
 Cosmic Consciousness and the Krishna or Christ consciousness becomes a 
 part of the meditators *Samadhi* experience this is *God Consciousness* 
 as MMY speaks, the Absolute fullness and Relative fullness. Purnam adah 
 and Purnam idam, as Guru Dev was purportedly in.Sahaja-Samadhi or 
 all time natural state of Cosmic Consciousness.









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[FairfieldLife] Re: If Only Steve Irwin had Become a TM Teacher.

2006-09-06 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 I think whatever he meant, he is full of it.  He didn't just mean that
 they would disturb meditation. It was his personal phobia turned dogma
 in my opinion.
 
 Your cats banging in your lap story was great.  If you had it on tape
 you would win a funny video prize.
 

_Accroding to Maharishi at 433_, AKA  _Hermit int the House_, he would distract 
the 
Olson's cat when it tried to jump in his lap by bapping it gently  on the head 
with a rose. 
That sounds like a serious phobia to me...

 
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
 curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
  
   I am too much of a cat person to experience anything but joy from
   kittens.  But an overactive dog might wear me out!
   
   Nothing seemed to wear Steve out, he was in critter-loving GC. I never
   heard MMY give any context to that little phobia gem. 
   
   
  
  I Iheard it in the context of having pets. Do you think he meant
 that one shouldn't work on 
  a farm?
  
  
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
   curtisdeltablues@ wrote:

 Can you imagine his reaction to the draining influence of
   animals rap?
 
 

I think he would have agreed, in context. Have  you ever tried to
   take care of a lonely 
kitten? They're fun, but REALLY high maintainance. 


 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@
 wrote:
 
  The World Plan would haev been accomplished years ago.
  
  With full Steve Irwin passion and enthusiasm:
  
  Kreiky! There I was standing standing before the greatest
   teacher on
  earth -- of all times, trembling, me Steve Irwin the
 greatest crock
  catcher in the world, trembling, because this TM is so
 increadibly
  powerful and Maharishi is so awesome. And he said Steve, go
 out and
  teach this precious knowledge to the world  Kreiky! I was
  thunderstruck! Like a huge herd of wild elphants was stampeding
   in my
  heart and brain. Kreiky! I said, Maharish, I am nothing if not
   total
  enthusiasm and passion. I will use my powers to enlighten
 the world.
  Kreiky! So here I am, with the most powerful, jaw snapping
 technique
  for personal enlightenment and world peace ever revealed. It
   will make
  you faster than a cheetah racing across the plains, more
 nimble than
  monkeys swinging in vines across the jungle, more royal than the
   king
  of the lions in all of Africa. Krieky! This TM is amazing. Just
   do it!
  Kreiky
 

   
  
 







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[FairfieldLife] 'Pope Benedict's Hat's the thing...'

2006-09-06 Thread Robert Gimbel



Associated Press  Pope Benedict XVI wears a "saturno hat", inspired by the ringed planet Saturn, to shield himself from the sun as he waves to the crowd of faithful prior to his weekly general audience in St. Peter's Square at the Vatican Wednesday. VATICAN CITY – Pope Benedict: Check the Hat! 
	
	
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Has anyone here 'perceived' the Ajna chakra?

2006-09-06 Thread wmurphy77
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 no_reply@ wrote:
 
  Within the silence of meditation a blue light will appear and 
  surrounding this blue light a wider white or golden light, this 
is the 
  light of the all-seeing spiritual eye of the soul (the third 
eye). Upon 
  entry therein the consciousness finds itself one with God in 
nature 
  (Prakiti) also known as Krishna consciousness or Christ 
consciousness. 
  
 
 
 Interesting. Who says?
 
  Within this blue light there will appear a white starlike light, 
this 
  is the doorway to transcendental pure consciousness, Savikalpa 
Samadhi 
  of which MMY speaks. When this Savikalpa Samadhi becomes 
permanent in 
  Cosmic Consciousness and the Krishna or Christ consciousness 
becomes a 
  part of the meditators *Samadhi* experience this is *God 
Consciousness* 
  as MMY speaks, the Absolute fullness and Relative fullness. 
Purnam adah 
  and Purnam idam, as Guru Dev was purportedly in.Sahaja-
Samadhi or 
  all time natural state of Cosmic Consciousness.

Ha, ha...says me, of course. Look, what does it matter, does it ring 
true or not? You be the judge!.
 








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Has anyone here 'perceived' the Ajna chakra?

2006-09-06 Thread matrixmonitor
---Refer to The Play of Consciousness by Swami Muktananda, and The 
Bliss of Freedom by Master Charles (secretary to Muktananda for 12 
years)


In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Within the silence of meditation a blue light will appear and 
 surrounding this blue light a wider white or golden light, this is 
the 
 light of the all-seeing spiritual eye of the soul (the third eye). 
Upon 
 entry therein the consciousness finds itself one with God in nature 
 (Prakiti) also known as Krishna consciousness or Christ 
consciousness. 
 
 Within this blue light there will appear a white starlike light, 
this 
 is the doorway to transcendental pure consciousness, Savikalpa 
Samadhi 
 of which MMY speaks. When this Savikalpa Samadhi becomes permanent 
in 
 Cosmic Consciousness and the Krishna or Christ consciousness 
becomes a 
 part of the meditators *Samadhi* experience this is *God 
Consciousness* 
 as MMY speaks, the Absolute fullness and Relative fullness. Purnam 
adah 
 and Purnam idam, as Guru Dev was purportedly in.Sahaja-Samadhi 
or 
 all time natural state of Cosmic Consciousness.








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[FairfieldLife] [adult] Best of Big Brother Sweden 2006

2006-09-06 Thread cardemaister

Nudity and phukking:

http://my.break.com/Media/View.aspx?ContentID=98791






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[FairfieldLife] Re: If Only Steve Irwin had Become a TM Teacher.

2006-09-06 Thread curtisdeltablues
Yeah, I know how much cats love being hit on the head with flowers
instead of being touched or scratched or anything else that people who
do not detest animals do.  MMY isn't into animals and the only thing I
can remember him saying about the creatures whom I love in this world,
is that they drain your energy.  I don't believe that they do, and
when a friendly cat comes up to me I pet it, not hit it with whatever
is in my hand to make it go away. 



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
 
  I think whatever he meant, he is full of it.  He didn't just mean that
  they would disturb meditation. It was his personal phobia turned dogma
  in my opinion.
  
  Your cats banging in your lap story was great.  If you had it on tape
  you would win a funny video prize.
  
 
 _Accroding to Maharishi at 433_, AKA  _Hermit int the House_, he
would distract the 
 Olson's cat when it tried to jump in his lap by bapping it gently 
on the head with a rose. 
 That sounds like a serious phobia to me...
 
  
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
  curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
   
I am too much of a cat person to experience anything but joy from
kittens.  But an overactive dog might wear me out!

Nothing seemed to wear Steve out, he was in critter-loving GC.
I never
heard MMY give any context to that little phobia gem. 


   
   I Iheard it in the context of having pets. Do you think he meant
  that one shouldn't work on 
   a farm?
   
   
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
 
  Can you imagine his reaction to the draining influence of
animals rap?
  
  
 
 I think he would have agreed, in context. Have  you ever
tried to
take care of a lonely 
 kitten? They're fun, but REALLY high maintainance. 
 
 
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@
  wrote:
  
   The World Plan would haev been accomplished years ago.
   
   With full Steve Irwin passion and enthusiasm:
   
   Kreiky! There I was standing standing before the greatest
teacher on
   earth -- of all times, trembling, me Steve Irwin the
  greatest crock
   catcher in the world, trembling, because this TM is so
  increadibly
   powerful and Maharishi is so awesome. And he said Steve, go
  out and
   teach this precious knowledge to the world  Kreiky! I was
   thunderstruck! Like a huge herd of wild elphants was
stampeding
in my
   heart and brain. Kreiky! I said, Maharish, I am nothing
if not
total
   enthusiasm and passion. I will use my powers to enlighten
  the world.
   Kreiky! So here I am, with the most powerful, jaw snapping
  technique
   for personal enlightenment and world peace ever revealed. It
will make
   you faster than a cheetah racing across the plains, more
  nimble than
   monkeys swinging in vines across the jungle, more royal
than the
king
   of the lions in all of Africa. Krieky! This TM is
amazing. Just
do it!
   Kreiky
  
 

   
  
 








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[FairfieldLife] Re: [adult] Best of Big Brother Sweden 2006

2006-09-06 Thread off_world_beings
Lol !
...boy are those Vikings dumb.

OffWorld


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[FairfieldLife] Proof of the Power of the Course

2006-09-06 Thread off_world_beings
Proof of the Power of the Course.will be obvious if, and ONLY if, 
the retard GW Bush is crushed under the wheels of the locamotive of an 
enlightened society.

...until then, the jury is out on the efficacy of the group effect.

We're still waiting

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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Pope Benedict's Hat's the thing...'

2006-09-06 Thread authfriend
It's actually a traditional papal hat going back
to the 14th century...

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   Associated Press
   Pope Benedict XVI wears a saturno hat, inspired by the ringed 
planet Saturn, to shield himself from the sun as he waves to the crowd 
of faithful prior to his weekly general audience in St. Peter's Square 
at the Vatican Wednesday. 
 VATICAN CITY – Pope Benedict: Check the Hat!







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[FairfieldLife] Re: [adult] Best of Big Brother Sweden 2006

2006-09-06 Thread curtisdeltablues
Excellent!  Now THAT is reality TV.  We really need to catch up.


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 Nudity and phukking:
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: The perfect conspiracy theory

2006-09-06 Thread Robert Gimbel
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ 
wrote:
 
  The attack on the World Trade Center was planned to happen in 
  September because the anniversary will always fall at a time of 
year 
  close to November -- when major U.S. elections always occur --  
and 
  will made the need to protect America fresh in voters' minds and 
they 
  will therefore be predisposed to vote for a pro-defense party, 
i.e. 
  the Republican.
 
 
 Bin Laden lovs Republicans, eh? Bush knew very well an attack was 
coming but since he didn't 
 know the exact time, date and location, he couldn't have done 
anything more to stop it than 
 he was already doing...
 
 How's that for a counter-conspiaracy, equally lame?
 
 BTW, BUSH DID know that an attack was coming, AND that is what HE 
says about preventing 
 it...
 
 Maybe not so lame, afterall...

Well, last election cycle, I remember a release of a bin Laden tape, 
on the Friday, before the Tuesday of the election.
 (Kerry at the time, seemed to be gaining momentum, with Springstein 
in Madison, Wisconsin, and Clinton in Philly)...
I remember, when the bin Laden tape was released, I had the feeling, 
the election would be lost; it changed the momentum somehow..
Now, it was announced today, that Mr. bin Laden is making his home, 
in the mountanous regions of Pakastan, on the border with Afghanistan;
And the the Pakastani government, will withdraw from this area;
Saying that no one will be prosecuted there, as long as they are 
peaceful.
So, it seems Mr. bin Laden has good protection; and now has a safe 
place to call 'home'. 
Stranger than fiction, sometimes, this earthly reality?
R.G.








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