date:20061018

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
> >
> > The first para. is from AP ( I think); the rest is Hagelin's 
press 
> release. 
> > 
> > 
> > DOW AND S&P SOAR 10% DURING FIRST
> > 88 DAYS OF INVINCIBLE AMERICA COURSE,
> > NEW RESEARCH SHOWS
> > 
> > Adds $1.5 Trillion in Corporate Net Worth
> > 
> > Wall Street Boom to Surge Ahead
> > 
> > ASSOCIATED PRESS (OCTOBER 18): The Dow Jones industrial average 
> > swept past 12,000 for the first time Wednesday, extending its 
march 
> into 
> > record territory as investors grow increasingly optimistic about 
> corporate 
> > earnings and the economy.
> > 
> 
> ***
> 
> CLAIM THAT DOW JONES IS AT ALL-TIME HIGH IS BASED ON FAULTY 
> COMPARISON THAT FAILS TO ADJUST FOR INFLATION
> Dow Jones Down 17 Percent from Peak Once Inflation is Taken Into 
> Account
> by Jason Furman
> 
> The Dow Jones Industrial Average, adjusted for inflation, is down 
17 
> percent from its all-time high on January 14, 2000.[1]  It would 
need 
> to rise another 2,378 points to set a new record, adjusted for 
> inflation.  It is only when no adjustment is made for inflation 
that 
> the Dow can be said to have closed at a record high on October 3, 
> 2006, as has been widely reported in the media.
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.cbpp.org/10-5-06bud.htm>>

Good point

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[FairfieldLife] Re: invincibility update

2006-10-18 Thread bob_brigante

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> The first para. is from AP ( I think); the rest is Hagelin's press 
release. 
> 
> 
> DOW AND S&P SOAR 10% DURING FIRST
> 88 DAYS OF INVINCIBLE AMERICA COURSE,
> NEW RESEARCH SHOWS
> 
> Adds $1.5 Trillion in Corporate Net Worth
> 
> Wall Street Boom to Surge Ahead
> 
> ASSOCIATED PRESS (OCTOBER 18): The Dow Jones industrial average 
> swept past 12,000 for the first time Wednesday, extending its march 
into 
> record territory as investors grow increasingly optimistic about 
corporate 
> earnings and the economy.
> 

***

CLAIM THAT DOW JONES IS AT ALL-TIME HIGH IS BASED ON FAULTY 
COMPARISON THAT FAILS TO ADJUST FOR INFLATION
Dow Jones Down 17 Percent from Peak Once Inflation is Taken Into 
Account
by Jason Furman

The Dow Jones Industrial Average, adjusted for inflation, is down 17 
percent from its all-time high on January 14, 2000.[1]  It would need 
to rise another 2,378 points to set a new record, adjusted for 
inflation.  It is only when no adjustment is made for inflation that 
the Dow can be said to have closed at a record high on October 3, 
2006, as has been widely reported in the media.

http://www.cbpp.org/10-5-06bud.htm

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting paragraph from Donovan's book

shempmcgurk wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
>   
>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> "trying doing your sadhana in a brothel"
>>>
>>> I think I may have found a spiritual path that might suit my 
>>>   
> nature. 
>   
>> LOL. I wrote parts of my book sitting at the bar of
>> Yab Yum, the most famous brothel in Amsterdam. It
>> was actually a beautiful room, full of Asian art
>> and buddhas and all, but the women didn't hurt,
>> either. I liked the basic honesty of the place, and
>> the interplay of energies.
>>
>> 
>
>
> Yeah, there's nothing like the "when am I going to get my $50.00" 
> honest look of a hooker...
Just how long is that drive from Phoenix to Pahrump? :)




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[FairfieldLife] Rock on

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[FairfieldLife] invincibility update

2006-10-18 Thread feste37

The first para. is from AP ( I think); the rest is Hagelin's press release. 


DOW AND S&P SOAR 10% DURING FIRST
88 DAYS OF INVINCIBLE AMERICA COURSE,
NEW RESEARCH SHOWS

Adds $1.5 Trillion in Corporate Net Worth

Wall Street Boom to Surge Ahead

ASSOCIATED PRESS (OCTOBER 18): The Dow Jones industrial average 
swept past 12,000 for the first time Wednesday, extending its march into 
record territory as investors grow increasingly optimistic about corporate 
earnings and the economy.

The Dow Jones Industrial Index and the S&P 500 posted total gains of 
approximately 10%, with the Dow repeatedly hitting all-time record levels and 
the S&P reaching a 5.5-year high, during the first 88 days of a major 
scientific 
demonstration project to monitor the effects of a group of 1200 advanced 
Transcendental Meditation experts on national economic, social, and even 
climatic trends.

The project, entitled the "Invincible America Assembly," is being held at 
Maharishi University of Management in Fairfield, Iowa, and is being funded by 
a $12 million annual grant from the "Howard and Alice Settle Foundation for 
an Invincible America."

The results of a sophisticated econometric analysis by Dr. Ken Cavanaugh, 
Professor of Applied Statistics at Maharishi University of Management, were 
released today after the Dow broke 12,000 for the first time, fulfilling 
predictions publicly announced before the course for a record-breaking bull 
market and a robust economy.

Dr. Cavanaugh said the behavior of the Dow and the S&P during the past 88 
days are in marked contrast with the period prior to the course, when the Dow 
was decreasing on average slightly less than 0.02% percent per week from 
January 1, 2000, through the week prior to the course. For the same period, 
the S&P 500 Index was decreasing at an average weekly rate of more than 
0.04%.

However, immediately following the start of the course on July 23, there was a 
dramatic change in the direction of both indexes. Both shifted suddenly to a 
strong positive average rate of growth of approximately 0.8% percent per 
week.

"Time series impact assessment analysis confirms that this change is highly 
statistically significant," Dr. Cavanaugh said. "The probability of observing 
such a large increase in the rate of growth purely by chance is less than 3 in 
10,000 for the S&P 500, and 7 in 10,000 for the Dow."

According to Dr. John Hagelin, world-renowned quantum physicist, who is 
directing the scientific demonstration project, the group of 1200 
Transcendental MeditationYogic Flyers are "creating coherence in national 
consciousnessgenerating confidence, optimism, and positivity in the 
national mood. Sociologists as well as economists are aware that the markets 
are an extremely nimble and sensitive barometer of the collective 
consciousness," Dr. Hagelin said.

Since the course began:

The Dow has soared over 1000 pointswith its best third quarter in a 
decadewhile the S&P rose to its highest levels in over five years, adding an 
estimated $1.5 trillion to America's corporate net worth
The price of oil, which peaked at $78 a barrel in mid-July, plummeted more 
than 25% to below $58 a barrelwith gas prices dropping 25% as well
Consumer confidence has risen to its highest levels this year
U.S. unemployment rate dropped to a five-year low
Dire forecasts of a destructive Atlantic hurricane season have proven 
unfounded, as no hurricanes struck U.S. shores this year, saving the nation 
an estimated $200 billion in hurricane costs compared with last year, when 
Katrina alone caused an estimated $150 billion in damages.

Dr. Hagelin, who also serves as the Director of the Institute of Science, 
Technology and Public Policy at Maharishi University of Management and 
Minister of Science and Technology of the Global Country of World Peace, 
explained that changes in the weather can arise from changes in the 
collective behavior of society due to the "acute sensitivity of the nonlinear 
partial differential equations governing the weather to small changes in 
initial 
conditions"a scientifically established phenomenon popularly known as the 
Butterfly Effect.

Extensive published research documents the Maharishi Effect

The positive developments over the past 88 days are consistent with prior 
studies, Dr. Hagelin said, citing extensive research published in leading, 
peer-reviewed scientific journals, which documents reduced negative trends, 
including reduced crime and violence, and improved economic and social 
trends when as few as the square root of one percent of a population practice 
Yogic Flying together in a group.

Scientists named this phenomenon the "Maharishi Effect" after His Holiness 
Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, the renowned Vedic scholar who founded the 
Transcendental Meditation program, and who predicted the beneficial impact 
of group meditation on social trends as early as 1975.

Momentum for national transformation is about to accelerate

Dr. Hagelin

[FairfieldLife] Re: A Measure of Enlightenment

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Oct 18, 2006, at 8:44 PM, jim_flanegin wrote:
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> >>
> >> Yes, that is correct--all cognitive and emotional obscurations
> > would
> >> have been relaxed and resolved--the drug would merely have been
> > fuel
> >> for pure awareness playing with jnana.
> >>
> >> This is also why rasayanas work on an ultimate level and can
> > assist.
> >> BUT the adept ingesting that material must be at or near that
> >> ultimate level to remain unscathed.
> >
> > Got to be established in Being. No ifs ands or buts.
> 
> If one is wearing a mask of being that matches and jives with the  
> mask of being of the material ingested, limitations like being  
> "established in being" are not requirements for such an upaya. 
One  
> maintains the "divine pride" of the mask of deity. The plant  
> reinforces the mask of being. From this POV, "established in 
being"  
> is just conditioned tm-speak. It knows not the generation stage, 
nor  
> it's meaning and nor it's application!

It often takes me a little while to understand your phrasing. I 
completely agree with what you said, though I would use the 
expression established in being as equivalent to it vs opposed to 
it. Maybe it sounds like tm conditioned speak to you-- I just don't 
have a large spiritual vocabulary, and possibly not a very precise 
one from your POV.

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[FairfieldLife] Recognition Is Liberation (was Re: Scandal hits

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin"  
> wrote:
> > Tes, I never in a million years would've imagined this *other 
side* 
> > of Enlightenment, rediscovering boundaries within Wholeness, 
> > composed of Wholeness itself, Infinity rediscovering Itself to 
be 
> > yet more Infinite. The continual expansion of immovable Silence 
> > within Itself...though somewhere in my little peanut brain I 
recall 
> > Maharishi speaking about silence moving within itself-- which I 
> > understood at the time to be the mechanics of creation on an 
> > abstract level, but didn't realize it could actually be 
experienced 
> > real time-- 
> > 
> > Now where's that cheeseburger?
> 
> Already eaten -- i.e., somewhere inside the Self, I suspect :-)
>
Ha-Ha! Good one!! Thanks!




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[FairfieldLife] Re: A Measure of Enlightenment

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning  
wrote:
> > As I have asked before, if a nervous system is not necessary to
> > REFLECT or experience Being/Pure Consciousness,
> > does a rock experience Pure Consciousness? 
> 
> Yes, a rock experiences Pure Consciousness, and a peculiarly 
intense 
> form of crystalline bliss at that -- at least as far as *my* 
> consciousness in/as the rock is concerned (which I realize may not 
be 
> exactly what you are conceiving). But then, I do not particularly 
hold 
> that a nervous system is not necessary to reflect Being -- it 
being 
> abundantly clear that different degrees of intensity of Being 
require 
> concomitantly different degrees of coherence of bodymind to 
recognize 
> and sustain that Being. Our particles or particular devatas do 
require 
> increasing degrees of attention/love/beauty/soma and so on, to 
> manifest the increasing clarity of hearing, touch, sight, taste 
and so 
> on we/they are capable of enjoying, or so it seems ...
> 
> :-)
>
what he said.




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[FairfieldLife] Recognition Is Liberation (was Re: Scandal hits

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> Tes, I never in a million years would've imagined this *other side* 
> of Enlightenment, rediscovering boundaries within Wholeness, 
> composed of Wholeness itself, Infinity rediscovering Itself to be 
> yet more Infinite. The continual expansion of immovable Silence 
> within Itself...though somewhere in my little peanut brain I recall 
> Maharishi speaking about silence moving within itself-- which I 
> understood at the time to be the mechanics of creation on an 
> abstract level, but didn't realize it could actually be experienced 
> real time-- 
> 
> Now where's that cheeseburger?

Already eaten -- i.e., somewhere inside the Self, I suspect :-)






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Measure of Enlightenment

2006-10-18 Thread Vaj

On Oct 18, 2006, at 8:44 PM, jim_flanegin wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Yes, that is correct--all cognitive and emotional obscurations would have been relaxed and resolved--the drug would merely have been fuel for pure awareness playing with jnana. This is also why rasayanas work on an ultimate level and can assist. BUT the adept ingesting that material must be at or near that ultimate level to remain unscathed. Got to be established in Being. No ifs ands or buts.If one is wearing a mask of being that matches and jives with the mask of being of the material ingested, limitations like being "established in being" are not requirements for such an upaya. One maintains the "divine pride" of the mask of deity. The plant reinforces the mask of being. From this POV, "established in being" is just conditioned tm-speak. It knows not the generation stage, nor it's meaning and nor it's application! Could Faust remain unscathed with Mephistopheles at the edge of his circle? Its probably worth pointing out that what is being described here is drug abuse, vs. use. Many tribes use drugs as a sacrament to further their learning, so if the substance is ingested carefully with the proper attitude, it becomes a helper rather than an enemy.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Primary obstacles to samaadhi?

Dharma Mitra wrote:
> Even if experiencing the siddhis is done with perfect non-individuation
> without a single moment of himsa ever occuring as well, they are STILL 
> not
> the last test for a sadhaka toward liberation.
>
>
> Of all that anyone leading or teaching has to convey, the most valuable
> thing to cultivate and convey to others is a moral conscience. Only such
> persons deserve to lead others, in any capacity. Anything less is a 
> menace
> to society
>
> *Human society is at a vital new juncture:
> the decrepit skeleton of things tried and
> proven false is rapidly being rent asunder.
> Today we are on the precipice of a glorious
> new dawn in human evolution. Embrace this
> crimson dawn of the glorious new day.
>
>
> *
>
Indeed, in my tradition you are not even given the siddhis unless proper 
moral conscience is observed.  IOW, they are not simply sold to anyone 
who wants them.



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[FairfieldLife] Recognition Is Liberation (was Re: Scandal hits

2006-10-18 Thread jyouells2000


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- jyouells2000  wrote:
> > >
> > > > My experience is that the 'bound' self is built upon
> > > > the unwillingness
> > > > to be nothing, the fear of
> > > > that... Sort of a continuous looking away.
> > >
> > > Brilliant(IMHO)!! The continuous looking away is also
> > > a continuous looking for a subjective "feeling" of
> > > self that affirms (falsely) that "I exist." The mind
> > > does this every few seconds in waking state. It's a
> > > very subtle egoic habit. You can see this habit in CC
> > > because the mind turns to find something to affirm
> > > itself and nothing, literally, is found instead. There
> > > is no longer a felt-sense of "I" to affirm
> > > individuality. There is, again, literally, nothing
> > > there to find but pure consciousness and pure
> > > consciousness is something that the mind can not
> > > comprehend.
> >
> > I know this was a couple of days ago, but today
> > I found myself wondering whether the same "looking
> > away" could help to explain those with an Internet
> > addiction. They intuit that they're close to the
> > experience of nothingness, and that scares them,
> > so they post a lot and/or post stuff calculated
> > to get a response (positive or negative doesn't
> > matter, just as long as it's a response), all so
> > that the self can preserve the illusion of itself.
> > As long as the self is busy dealing with one-on-
> > one interactions, the "looking away" succeeds, the
> > illusion of self's existence is preserved, and
> > the person never has to deal with the nothingness
> > they can feel just over the horizon.
>
> For that matter, could *all* forms of addiction
> be a way to preserve the illusion of self, and
> keep selflessness at bay? It's certainly been
> fascinating for me to see the number of *former*
> seekers and practitioners of meditation who, soon
> after abandoning their path, get into some form
> of heavy addiction, whether it be smoking ciga-
> rettes or smoking dope or drinking. Some of it
> is a "I denied myself all these things for years
> and so now I have the right to indulge" thang,
> but on another level it might be related to
> a subconscious desire to keep enlightenment away.
>
> Another form of addiciton that lends itself to
> this interpretation is the anti-cult cult. In my
> experience, *most* of the leaders of this anti-
> movement movement, when they tell their personal
> stories, come to a pivotal moment for them that
> goes something like this: "In meditation I got
> to a point where I lost all sense of who I was.
> This scared me so much that I never wanted that
> to happen again, so I quit meditating, and now
> I work to warn others that they might get to
> a similar place." What if the "work" they do as
> an "anti-cult counselor" is their way of not
> only avoiding full transcendence/loss of self,
> but a way to prevent others from going further
> than they dared to go?
>
> Just thoughts on a rainy afternoon. Not trying
> to sell them to anyone...
>

For some of those folks, even if they stop it's too late, and they still
get 'hit by the bus'.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: A Measure of Enlightenment

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> As I have asked before, if a nervous system is not necessary to
> REFLECT or experience Being/Pure Consciousness,
> does a rock experience Pure Consciousness? 

Yes, a rock experiences Pure Consciousness, and a peculiarly intense 
form of crystalline bliss at that -- at least as far as *my* 
consciousness in/as the rock is concerned (which I realize may not be 
exactly what you are conceiving). But then, I do not particularly hold 
that a nervous system is not necessary to reflect Being -- it being 
abundantly clear that different degrees of intensity of Being require 
concomitantly different degrees of coherence of bodymind to recognize 
and sustain that Being. Our particles or particular devatas do require 
increasing degrees of attention/love/beauty/soma and so on, to 
manifest the increasing clarity of hearing, touch, sight, taste and so 
on we/they are capable of enjoying, or so it seems ...

:-)

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[FairfieldLife] Recognition Is Liberation (was Re: Scandal hits

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> When I take refuge, I always take refuge in the Unification of All 
My  
> Masters. How could it be any other way?

Thanks!

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[FairfieldLife] Recognition Is Liberation (was Re: Scandal hits

2006-10-18 Thread jyouells2000


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- jyouells2000  wrote:
> > >
> > > > My experience is that the 'bound' self is built upon
> > > > the unwillingness
> > > > to be nothing, the fear of
> > > > that... Sort of a continuous looking away.
> > >
> > > Brilliant(IMHO)!! The continuous looking away is also
> > > a continuous looking for a subjective "feeling" of
> > > self that affirms (falsely) that "I exist." The mind
> > > does this every few seconds in waking state. It's a
> > > very subtle egoic habit. You can see this habit in CC
> > > because the mind turns to find something to affirm
> > > itself and nothing, literally, is found instead. There
> > > is no longer a felt-sense of "I" to affirm
> > > individuality. There is, again, literally, nothing
> > > there to find but pure consciousness and pure
> > > consciousness is something that the mind can not
> > > comprehend.
> >
> > I know this was a couple of days ago, but today
> > I found myself wondering whether the same "looking
> > away" could help to explain those with an Internet
> > addiction. They intuit that they're close to the
> > experience of nothingness, and that scares them,
> > so they post a lot and/or post stuff calculated
> > to get a response (positive or negative doesn't
> > matter, just as long as it's a response), all so
> > that the self can preserve the illusion of itself.
> > As long as the self is busy dealing with one-on-
> > one interactions, the "looking away" succeeds, the
> > illusion of self's existence is preserved, and
> > the person never has to deal with the nothingness
> > they can feel just over the horizon.
> >
>
> Nice self-analysis. It takes a lot of courage to step up and offer
> such a deep and critical analysis of oneself. Especially before a
> group that can be a bit "cutting" at times. Particularly when you have
> fueled such by regular and at times massive goading. This is good.
> Part of the healing process perhaps.
>
> Your being the 4th most prodigious poster on FFL over the past months,
> its great that you are taking steps to understand what may be driving
> this. Even when you are scared by the approaching nothingness.
>
> Also poignant is facing up to your internal sadness and chagrin when,
> most of the time, no one replies to your posts. That again shows
> courage to face up to it. I thought I would send a friendly gesture of
> support by reponding to something you wrote -- since most people don't
> care to.
>
> And of course, what you say not only applies to you, but all of us.
> Good concepts to consider -- as many of us seem to get into FFL jags
> of posts at times.
>
> And I applaud your optimism. Seeing the "nothingness" perhaps close
> for everyone.
>


Unbelievable -  with a steady drift, anything and nothing can be turned
into a bash.


JohnY





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Primary obstacles to samaadhi?

2006-10-18 Thread Dharma Mitra





Even if experiencing the siddhis is done with perfect non-individuation
without a single moment of himsa ever occuring as well, they are STILL
not the last test for a sadhaka toward liberation.  


Of all that anyone leading or teaching has to convey, the most valuable thing to cultivate and convey to others is 
a moral conscience. Only such persons deserve to lead others, in any capacity. Anything less is a menace to society



Human society is at a vital new juncture:
the decrepit skeleton of things tried and
proven false is rapidly being rent asunder.
Today we are on the precipice of a glorious
new dawn in human evolution. Embrace this
crimson dawn of the glorious new day.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting paragraph from Donovan's book

2006-10-18 Thread curtisdeltablues

"> Yeah, there's nothing like the "when am I going to get my $50.00" 
> honest look of a hooker..."

Those are crack whore rates man.  You get what you pay for.  Wanna
know what you get for multi multi millions?  Heather Mills!


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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > "trying doing your sadhana in a brothel"
> > > 
> > > I think I may have found a spiritual path that might suit my 
> nature. 
> > 
> > LOL. I wrote parts of my book sitting at the bar of
> > Yab Yum, the most famous brothel in Amsterdam. It
> > was actually a beautiful room, full of Asian art
> > and buddhas and all, but the women didn't hurt,
> > either. I liked the basic honesty of the place, and
> > the interplay of energies.
> >
> 
> 
> Yeah, there's nothing like the "when am I going to get my $50.00" 
> honest look of a hooker...
>





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[FairfieldLife] Re: A Measure of Enlightenment

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Yes, that is correct--all cognitive and emotional obscurations 
would  
> have been relaxed and resolved--the drug would merely have been 
fuel  
> for pure awareness playing with jnana.
> 
> This is also why rasayanas work on an ultimate level and can 
assist.  
> BUT the adept ingesting that material must be at or near that  
> ultimate level to remain unscathed.

Got to be established in Being. No ifs ands or buts.
> 
> Could Faust remain unscathed with Mephistopheles at the edge of his  
> circle?
> 
Its probably worth pointing out that what is being described here is 
drug abuse, vs. use. Many tribes use drugs as a sacrament to further 
their learning, so if the substance is ingested carefully with the 
proper attitude, it becomes a helper rather than an enemy.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: A Measure of Enlightenment

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter  
wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- suziezuzie  wrote:
> > > 
> > > > How would you evaluate the following. 
> > > > 
> > > > Enlightenment is defined as stabilized Being or Self
> > > > during the three 
> > > > states of consciousness, waking, dreaming, and deep
> > > > sleep. The Self 
> > > > is not overshadowed, an aspect of the nervous system
> > > > is able to 
> > > > maintain that fullness at all times.
> > > 
> > > I know this is not your main question, but NO aspect
> > > of any NERVOUS SYSTEM is responsible for maintaining
> > > the fullness of Being. Using your conceptualization
> > > you could say that the nervous system is responsible
> > > for different conditions of  MIND. It has absolutely
> > > nothing to do with BEING.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Of course no NERVOUS SYSTEM is responsible for maintaining
> > the fullness of Being. It IS, maintains ITSELF, as well 
> as "creation",
> > on its own. Saying that no NERVOUS SYSTEM is responsible for
> > maintaining the fullness of Being as significant and substantial 
as
> > saying 1=1. Its a truism.
> > 
> > The real question in this regard is, IMO: is a nervous system
> > necessary to REFLECT the fullness of Being -- Being which is
> > self-sufficient unto itself.
> > 
> > As I have asked before, if a nervous system is not necessary to
> > REFLECT or experience Being/Pure Consciousness,
> > does a rock experience Pure Consciousness? 
> > 
> > See below
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/118694
> >
> 
> 
> ***
> 
> A rock does not experience pure consciousness, >>>


Incorrect.   
A rock can feel, and a rock can cry, and a rock can have fury, and 
can muster the focres of nature against you if necessary.
  
I have heard it and seen it. The deaf have not.

OffWorld







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Gujaratis own 42% of U.S. hotel/motel industry

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
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>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > "Gujaratis, mainly Patels, now own 21,000 of the 53,000 hotels 
> and 
> > > motels in the US. It makes for a staggering 42% of the US 
> > hospitality 
> > > market, with a combined worth of $40 billion. 
> > > 
> > > http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/2191584.cms>>
> > 
> 
> 
> > Isn't that like saying the Jews own many US businesses? It is an 
> old 
> > tribe, but that does not mean there is any real central 
godfather 
> to it
> > 
> > OffWorld
> >
> 
> 
> **
> 
> I don't see any ethnic criticism here. >>.


Where are you getting that from. If someone mentions the word "Jew" 
these days then it must be negative. There was nothing negative in 
my words.


< of early success by a few Gujaratis in the U.S. motel biz, a lot 
of 
> people named Patel (a common surname in Gujarat, which is a state 
in India, not a tribe)>>>


Check this out:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gujjars

OffWorld


 << into motel ownership in the U.S., which easily suits a family-run 
> operation (hence, Patel + motel= "potel").
>





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[FairfieldLife] Re: A Measure of Enlightenment

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter  
wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- suziezuzie  wrote:
> > 
> > > How would you evaluate the following. 
> > > 
> > > Enlightenment is defined as stabilized Being or Self
> > > during the three 
> > > states of consciousness, waking, dreaming, and deep
> > > sleep. The Self 
> > > is not overshadowed, an aspect of the nervous system
> > > is able to 
> > > maintain that fullness at all times.
> > 
> > I know this is not your main question, but NO aspect
> > of any NERVOUS SYSTEM is responsible for maintaining
> > the fullness of Being. Using your conceptualization
> > you could say that the nervous system is responsible
> > for different conditions of  MIND. It has absolutely
> > nothing to do with BEING.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Of course no NERVOUS SYSTEM is responsible for maintaining
> the fullness of Being. It IS, maintains ITSELF, as well 
as "creation",
> on its own. Saying that no NERVOUS SYSTEM is responsible for
> maintaining the fullness of Being as significant and substantial as
> saying 1=1. Its a truism.
> 
> The real question in this regard is, IMO: is a nervous system
> necessary to REFLECT the fullness of Being -- Being which is
> self-sufficient unto itself.
> 
> As I have asked before, if a nervous system is not necessary to
> REFLECT or experience Being/Pure Consciousness,
> does a rock experience Pure Consciousness? 

I remember your question. Its a great question. I can easily 
conclude that the rock IS Pure Consciousness. Does it experience PC 
though? I don't know. I have to first ask myself, what is the range 
of experience of a rock? Does it feel its temperature as it changes, 
does it feel water as it cools it? I recall Maharishi saying rocks 
have awareness, because they crack. I don't know the answer to your 
question.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Primary obstacles to samaadhi?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> jim_flanegin wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister  
> > wrote:
> >   
> >> Through the repeated experience of Self Realization, siddhis 
> >> 
> > naturally
> >   
> >> unfold according to the needs of the individual. Before Self
> >> Realization, the use or development of siddhis is among the 
> >> 
> > greatest
> >   
> >> obstacles on the path because it cultivates ahamkara, I-ness, 
and
> >> militates against the attainment of prapatti, complete 
submission 
> >> 
> > to
> >   
> >> the will of God, Gods and guru. Six siddhis in particular are
> >> considered primary obstacles to samadhi:
> >>
> >> - clairvoyance (adarsha siddhi or divya siddhi),
> >>
> >> - clairaudience (shravana siddhi or divyashravana),
> >>
> >> - divination (pratibha siddhi),
> >>
> >> - super-feeling (vedana siddhi) and
> >>
> >> - super-taste (asvadana siddhi),
> >>
> >> - supersmell (varta siddhi). 
> >>
> >>
> >> http://www.experiencefestival.com/a/Siddhi/id/62057
> >>
> >> 
> > That's why the siddhis are practiced with TM, because the 
consistent 
> > transcending helps to protect someone from getting stuck in 
practice 
> > of siddhis. At least that's the way it worked for me.
> Most all practice or obtaining "mantra siddhi" (the true siddhis) 
are 
> done with a key or guru mantra preceding their practice.  That 
enlivens 
> them.  Once the practitioner has obtained "mantra siddhi" or the 
point 
> where the siddhi is enlivened then they can be invoked on their 
own.
>
Thanks for sharing that- makes a lot of sense in terms of the 
practice.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: A Measure of Enlightenment

2006-10-18 Thread bob_brigante

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- suziezuzie  wrote:
> > 
> > > How would you evaluate the following. 
> > > 
> > > Enlightenment is defined as stabilized Being or Self
> > > during the three 
> > > states of consciousness, waking, dreaming, and deep
> > > sleep. The Self 
> > > is not overshadowed, an aspect of the nervous system
> > > is able to 
> > > maintain that fullness at all times.
> > 
> > I know this is not your main question, but NO aspect
> > of any NERVOUS SYSTEM is responsible for maintaining
> > the fullness of Being. Using your conceptualization
> > you could say that the nervous system is responsible
> > for different conditions of  MIND. It has absolutely
> > nothing to do with BEING.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Of course no NERVOUS SYSTEM is responsible for maintaining
> the fullness of Being. It IS, maintains ITSELF, as well 
as "creation",
> on its own. Saying that no NERVOUS SYSTEM is responsible for
> maintaining the fullness of Being as significant and substantial as
> saying 1=1. Its a truism.
> 
> The real question in this regard is, IMO: is a nervous system
> necessary to REFLECT the fullness of Being -- Being which is
> self-sufficient unto itself.
> 
> As I have asked before, if a nervous system is not necessary to
> REFLECT or experience Being/Pure Consciousness,
> does a rock experience Pure Consciousness? 
> 
> See below
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/118694
>

***

A rock does not experience pure consciousness, it's locked into a 
limited state -- but humans have the ability to act in a way that 
increases their ability to process awareness or reduce it.

Just as each of the human senses filters out input from the 
environment, giving each creature the input it needs (forexample, 
dogs and other predators need to hear high-frequency sounds, humans 
don't), the mind is a sixth sense which filters awareness. When the 
mind is completely sattvic (transparent), it gets all the awareness 
signal (becoming no-mind really, since it does no filtering of 
awareness). When that full experience of awareness is maintained 24/7 
(cosmic consciousness, a state you cannot fall out of), the existence 
of the body is no longer relevant, since one knows completely that 
his self is that bliss consciousness, and is just a silent witness to 
all activity, the body being no more important than other aspect of 
the physical environment.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Gujaratis own 42% of U.S. hotel/motel industry

2006-10-18 Thread bob_brigante

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante  
> wrote:
> >
> > "Gujaratis, mainly Patels, now own 21,000 of the 53,000 hotels 
and 
> > motels in the US. It makes for a staggering 42% of the US 
> hospitality 
> > market, with a combined worth of $40 billion. 
> > 
> > http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/2191584.cms>>
> 

> Isn't that like saying the Jews own many US businesses? It is an 
old 
> tribe, but that does not mean there is any real central godfather 
to it
> 
> OffWorld
>

**

I don't see any ethnic criticism here. It's just a fact that, because 
of early success by a few Gujaratis in the U.S. motel biz, a lot of 
people named Patel (a common surname in Gujarat, which is a state in 
India, not a tribe) decided not to reinvent the wheel, and also opted 
into motel ownership in the U.S., which easily suits a family-run 
operation (hence, Patel + motel= "potel").

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[FairfieldLife] Recognition Is Liberation (was Re: Scandal hits

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin"  
> wrote:
> >> Its an equally delightfully odd phenomenon that even as we 
> recognize 
> > that the OneMind of the Teacher is literally our own mind, we feel 
> > compelled to overwhelmingly surrender to a Maharishi Mahesh Yogi 
or 
> > Brahmananda Saraswati- hardwired reaction, even though we are in 
> > fact surrendering and devoting ourselves to our own divine nature 
> > personified in another aspect of ourselves! Pretty trippy stuff...
> 
> Yes, very well put! That's exactly it -- *because* He is We, We 
> surrender wholeheartedly to Him ... without that fullness of Unity 
> there, we could not fully surrender OurSelf to HimSelf!
>
Yep- the very act of surrender furthers our Unity while simultaneously 
destroying our concepts of bound self- a very powerful and efficient 
activity!




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[FairfieldLife] Recognition Is Liberation (was Re: Scandal hits

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin"  
> wrote:
> >> >
> > PS Your reflections are unusually easy for me to riff off of, 
Rory 
> > (Ha-Ha!)-- I've been noticing something that may be related, 
> having 
> > to do with noticing subtle fears and their subsequent resolution 
> > even 'within' in a permanent state of Self Realization, as we 
> > rediscover the world in its Divine state. 
> > 
> > When you wrote your recent equations having to do with greater 
and 
> > greater fullnesses sensed in BC-->KC-->SC, taking as a starting 
> > point all fears and associated emotions being caused by fear of 
> the 
> > unknown, might there be subtle fearful tendencies that occur 
when 
> we 
> > are enlightened as to our Brahman Universe, but not yet ripened 
> into 
> > our Krishna Multiverses, then similarly not yet ripened into our 
> > Shiva Infiniverses? Because that aspect of our complete silence 
> and 
> > its corresponding infinity of being is yet unknown to us? 
> > 
> > I don't know the answer yet, but it is a fun cosmic toy I have 
> > discovered!
> 
> Yes, this BC/KC/SC progression (or series of progressions) really 
> feels like a recapitulation and more profound harmonic of the 
> mechanics of CC/GC/UC *from Wholeness* -- as the subtle fears 
> (appearances of not-Self) inherent in that first pre-Brahman 
> progression are now much more fully Understood. Hence, the 
automatic 
> *whole-hearted* surrender -- not fully (to me at least) available 
or 
> even suspected as a possibility in the G.C. to U.C. progression 
> (i.e., while identifying primarily as a particle "having" these 
> experiences instead of also as the Wholeness very 
> innocently "causing" these experiences) -- is now much more fully 
> available as the rest of the self/other equation is newly 
> comprehended on deeper and deeper levels to be also simply oneSelf.
> 
> :-)
>
Tes, I never in a million years would've imagined this *other side* 
of Enlightenment, rediscovering boundaries within Wholeness, 
composed of Wholeness itself, Infinity rediscovering Itself to be 
yet more Infinite. The continual expansion of immovable Silence 
within Itself...though somewhere in my little peanut brain I recall 
Maharishi speaking about silence moving within itself-- which I 
understood at the time to be the mechanics of creation on an 
abstract level, but didn't realize it could actually be experienced 
real time-- 

Now where's that cheeseburger?




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[FairfieldLife] Re: A Measure of Enlightenment

2006-10-18 Thread new . morning

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- suziezuzie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > How would you evaluate the following. 
> > 
> > Enlightenment is defined as stabilized Being or Self
> > during the three 
> > states of consciousness, waking, dreaming, and deep
> > sleep. The Self 
> > is not overshadowed, an aspect of the nervous system
> > is able to 
> > maintain that fullness at all times.
> 
> I know this is not your main question, but NO aspect
> of any NERVOUS SYSTEM is responsible for maintaining
> the fullness of Being. Using your conceptualization
> you could say that the nervous system is responsible
> for different conditions of  MIND. It has absolutely
> nothing to do with BEING.

Of course no NERVOUS SYSTEM is responsible for maintaining
the fullness of Being. It IS, maintains ITSELF, as well as "creation",
on its own. Saying that no NERVOUS SYSTEM is responsible for
maintaining the fullness of Being as significant and substantial as
saying 1=1. Its a truism.

The real question in this regard is, IMO: is a nervous system
necessary to REFLECT the fullness of Being -- Being which is
self-sufficient unto itself.

As I have asked before, if a nervous system is not necessary to
REFLECT or experience Being/Pure Consciousness,
does a rock experience Pure Consciousness? 

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Recognition Is Liberation (was Re: Scandal hits

2006-10-18 Thread Vaj



On Oct 18, 2006, at 7:05 PM, Rory Goff wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  wrote: Its an equally delightfully odd phenomenon that even as we  recognize  that the OneMind of the Teacher is literally our own mind, we feel  compelled to overwhelmingly surrender to a Maharishi Mahesh Yogi or  Brahmananda Saraswati- hardwired reaction, even though we are in  fact surrendering and devoting ourselves to our own divine nature  personified in another aspect of ourselves! Pretty trippy stuff...  Yes, very well put! That's exactly it -- *because* He is We, We  surrender wholeheartedly to Him ... without that fullness of Unity  there, we could not fully surrender OurSelf to HimSelf!  When I take refuge, I always take refuge in the Unification of All My Masters. How could it be any other way?
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Gujaratis own 42% of U.S. hotel/motel industry

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
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> "Gujaratis, mainly Patels, now own 21,000 of the 53,000 hotels and 
> motels in the US. It makes for a staggering 42% of the US 
hospitality 
> market, with a combined worth of $40 billion. 
> 
> http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/2191584.cms
>

Who?

OffWorld




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Primary obstacles to samaadhi?

jim_flanegin wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
>   
>> Through the repeated experience of Self Realization, siddhis 
>> 
> naturally
>   
>> unfold according to the needs of the individual. Before Self
>> Realization, the use or development of siddhis is among the 
>> 
> greatest
>   
>> obstacles on the path because it cultivates ahamkara, I-ness, and
>> militates against the attainment of prapatti, complete submission 
>> 
> to
>   
>> the will of God, Gods and guru. Six siddhis in particular are
>> considered primary obstacles to samadhi:
>>
>> - clairvoyance (adarsha siddhi or divya siddhi),
>>
>> - clairaudience (shravana siddhi or divyashravana),
>>
>> - divination (pratibha siddhi),
>>
>> - super-feeling (vedana siddhi) and
>>
>> - super-taste (asvadana siddhi),
>>
>> - supersmell (varta siddhi). 
>>
>>
>> http://www.experiencefestival.com/a/Siddhi/id/62057
>>
>> 
> That's why the siddhis are practiced with TM, because the consistent 
> transcending helps to protect someone from getting stuck in practice 
> of siddhis. At least that's the way it worked for me.
Most all practice or obtaining "mantra siddhi" (the true siddhis) are 
done with a key or guru mantra preceding their practice.  That enlivens 
them.  Once the practitioner has obtained "mantra siddhi" or the point 
where the siddhi is enlivened then they can be invoked on their own.



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scorpionland slouches toward U.S.

uns_tressor wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> "Although Britons collectively are not yet as fat as Americans, they 
>> are the fattest people in Europe. If current trends continue, the 
>> British Medical Association says, by 2020 some 30 percent of boys and 
>> 40 percent of girls here will be clinically obese."
>>
>> http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/18/world/europe/18lunch.html
>>
>> 
> Don't be so cocky, bbrigante. The trend is entirely generated 
> by American fast food. Look to yourself, punk.
> Uns.
I don't think we can put all the blame on fast food joints.  After all I 
know quite a few people who don't eat at them and are overweight.  Blame 
Rumsfeld.  He pushed aspartame on the world even though the FDA didn't 
think it was safe.  It screws up your carbohydrate metabolism.  Rumsfeld 
was head of Searle at the time.

Other culprits:
MSG
High Fructose Corn Sweetner
Other artificial sweetners (don't fool your body).
Too much TV




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[FairfieldLife] Recognition Is Liberation (was Re: Scandal hits

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>> >
> PS Your reflections are unusually easy for me to riff off of, Rory 
> (Ha-Ha!)-- I've been noticing something that may be related, 
having 
> to do with noticing subtle fears and their subsequent resolution 
> even 'within' in a permanent state of Self Realization, as we 
> rediscover the world in its Divine state. 
> 
> When you wrote your recent equations having to do with greater and 
> greater fullnesses sensed in BC-->KC-->SC, taking as a starting 
> point all fears and associated emotions being caused by fear of 
the 
> unknown, might there be subtle fearful tendencies that occur when 
we 
> are enlightened as to our Brahman Universe, but not yet ripened 
into 
> our Krishna Multiverses, then similarly not yet ripened into our 
> Shiva Infiniverses? Because that aspect of our complete silence 
and 
> its corresponding infinity of being is yet unknown to us? 
> 
> I don't know the answer yet, but it is a fun cosmic toy I have 
> discovered!

Yes, this BC/KC/SC progression (or series of progressions) really 
feels like a recapitulation and more profound harmonic of the 
mechanics of CC/GC/UC *from Wholeness* -- as the subtle fears 
(appearances of not-Self) inherent in that first pre-Brahman 
progression are now much more fully Understood. Hence, the automatic 
*whole-hearted* surrender -- not fully (to me at least) available or 
even suspected as a possibility in the G.C. to U.C. progression 
(i.e., while identifying primarily as a particle "having" these 
experiences instead of also as the Wholeness very 
innocently "causing" these experiences) -- is now much more fully 
available as the rest of the self/other equation is newly 
comprehended on deeper and deeper levels to be also simply oneSelf.

:-)

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Gujaratis own 42% of U.S. hotel/motel industry