[FairfieldLife] Re: Press Release - Lynch Foundation withdrew grant to High School
It sounds like the grant could have been channeled into a local TM center with some advertising to the school for those who still wanted to participate. Why the quick judgment to withdraw over a few dissenters? Mark Von Trumpledorf III --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gimari03 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To the TL Community October 18, 2006 The following is a news release from the District Office that announces the withdrawal by the David Lynch Foundation of their $175,000 grant to fund the teaching of the Transcendental Meditation technique on a voluntary basis to up to 25 staff members and 250 students. As a result of the withdrawal we must cancel plans for the teaching of the meditation program. NEWS For release: October 17, 2006Contact: Leah Reich Terra Linda High announces withdrawal of David Lynch Foundation grant SAN RAFAEL, CA, October 17, 2006 Terra Linda High School Principal Carole Ramsey announced today that the David Lynch Foundation has withdrawn its offer of a $175,000 grant to fund the teaching of the Transcendental Meditation technique on a voluntary basis to up to 25 staff members and 250 students. The intent of our offer has always been to reduce the level of stress among students and staffwhich has been our experience with this program in schools all over the country, said Bob Roth, vice president of the David Lynch Foundation. We are disappointed to encounter such misunderstandings from a tiny but vocal religious minority. Given the situation, we feel it is best to direct our support to other deserving schools. In making the announcement to staff and via the OneTL website, Principal Ramsey said, It is unfortunate that a few individuals have created an environment that has led to the withdrawal of this grant. Nevertheless, the school will encourage students who remain interested in meditation to investigate alternative programs. High stress continues to be a concern for high school students and the school supports a variety of efforts to reduce it, both inside and outside the classroom. # # # The San Rafael City Schools includes the San Rafael Elementary School District and the San Rafael High School District that serve more than 5,500 students in the community of San Rafael. The vision of the San Rafael City Schools is to offer an education program of unparalleled excellence, built on challenging content, high performance standards and a renaissance of reforms. I want to thank David Garcia and all of the staff and students who have participated in trying to put this program together. While we are disappointed this program didn't work out, because of the high interest we will encourage students to investigate other programs. We will be providing guidance as to what type of programs would fit within the structure of a school club and what activities would have to be outside of the school day. High stress continues to be a concern for high school students and the school will continue to pursue activities and programs to reduce it, both inside and outside the classroom. Carole Ramsey To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Outside the established scientific method?
From an op-ed defending string theory by Brian Greene, a professor of physics and mathematics, in the NY Times: To be sure, no one successful experiment would establish that string theory is right, but neither would the failure of all such experiments prove the theory wrong. If the accelerator experiments fail to turn up anything, it could be that we need more powerful machines; if the astronomical observations fail to turn up anything, it could mean the effects are too small to be seen. The bottom line is that it's hard to test a theory that not only taxes the capacity of today's technology, but is also still very much under development. Some critics have taken this lack of definitive predictions to mean that string theory is a protean concept whose advocates seek to step outside the established scientific method. Nothing could be further from the truth. Certainly, we are feeling our way through a complex mathematical terrain, and no doubt have much ground yet to cover. But we will hold string theory to the usual scientific standard: to be accepted, it must make predictions that are verified. http://tinyurl.com/unjox I was struck by these two paragraphs because the criticisms the writer cites sound very similar to those that have been made of the Maharishi Effect theory and various other paranormal-type claims. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Retire at 30
Sorry, I don't understand a word or number that you printed below, new.morning... Here's an annuity calculator...all you have to do is plug in the age and gender and the single premium amount you're paying and they'll give you all the annuity figures you want: http://www.immediateannuities.com/?_g_immediate_annuity --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: Uh, I deal with annuities, lifetime annuities, and SPIAs as part of my business...I'd sure love to see the figures for a 35 year old... Here is a badly formated paste of the spreadsheet. or see link http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=pEMsn4qT5NcMHrk7yipTCQQ http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=pEMsn4qT5NcMHrk7yipTCQQ I even have a seperate sheet/tab for you to run it with your own assumptions Sex Workers Retire at 30 Scenarios MidlineLowLow ExtendedHigh Income average fee$400.00$400.00$400.00$400.00 Vat and House %40%40%40%40% provider gross$240.00$240.00$240.00$240.00 avg tax rate40%45%45%30% provider net$144.00$132.00$132.00$168.00 unreported tips50303075 Provider total$194.00$162.00$162.00$243.00 Schedule work/days/mo20181822 provisions/work day4335 provisions/month805454110 Expenses After tax per month$15,520.00$8,748.00$8,748.00 $26,730.00 outfits/salons/gym7007007002000 Living Expenses3000250025005000 Net investable$11,820.00$5,548.00$5,548.00 $19,730.00 Investments Investment years12121712 Avg ROI*6%6%6%8% inflation rate**4%4%4%4% Fee % increase above inflation***5%4%4%6% monthly compounded real ROI0.90%0.82%0.82% 1.13% Annuity Annuity years70706570 Annuity ROI6%5%5%7% Real ROI2%1%1%3% Bottom Line Nest Egg, Inflation Adjusted$3,447,293.41 $1,510,978.10 $2,887,337.89$7,080,532.41 Annual Annuity age 30-100$91,931.21$30,118.06 $60,624.47 $243,121.59 To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Outside the established scientific method?
There was an article in the New Yorker two issues ago about string theory. I didn't understand a word of it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From an op-ed defending string theory by Brian Greene, a professor of physics and mathematics, in the NY Times: To be sure, no one successful experiment would establish that string theory is right, but neither would the failure of all such experiments prove the theory wrong. If the accelerator experiments fail to turn up anything, it could be that we need more powerful machines; if the astronomical observations fail to turn up anything, it could mean the effects are too small to be seen. The bottom line is that it's hard to test a theory that not only taxes the capacity of today's technology, but is also still very much under development. Some critics have taken this lack of definitive predictions to mean that string theory is a protean concept whose advocates seek to step outside the established scientific method. Nothing could be further from the truth. Certainly, we are feeling our way through a complex mathematical terrain, and no doubt have much ground yet to cover. But we will hold string theory to the usual scientific standard: to be accepted, it must make predictions that are verified. http://tinyurl.com/unjox I was struck by these two paragraphs because the criticisms the writer cites sound very similar to those that have been made of the Maharishi Effect theory and various other paranormal-type claims. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Retire at 30
Of course the issue at hand -- can a service provider retire by age 30 is more than calculating a simple annuity. Spreadsheets are far more flexible than what you offer. Regardless, the income stream of the provider is key. My model and assumptions show that a provider, in netherlands, could easily accumulate 2-4 million by age 30 -- leaving a payout over 70 years easily with the bounds of livability. Particularly given social services in Netherlands. If you really think that all you have to all you have to do is plug in the age and gender and the single premium amount you're paying and they'll give you all the annuity figures you want -- well, 'nuff said. Simply click on google spreadsheet link for a model of income, investment and annuity. (As i said, the paste does not format well.) -- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry, I don't understand a word or number that you printed below, new.morning... You could not click on the spreadsheet? Here's an annuity calculator...all you have to do is plug in the age and gender and the single premium amount you're paying and they'll give you all the annuity figures you want: To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Outside the established scientific method?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There was an article in the New Yorker two issues ago about string theory. I didn't understand a word of it. Thats a shock. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: From an op-ed defending string theory by Brian Greene, a professor of physics and mathematics, in the NY Times: To be sure, no one successful experiment would establish that string theory is right, but neither would the failure of all such experiments prove the theory wrong. If the accelerator experiments fail to turn up anything, it could be that we need more powerful machines; if the astronomical observations fail to turn up anything, it could mean the effects are too small to be seen. The bottom line is that it's hard to test a theory that not only taxes the capacity of today's technology, but is also still very much under development. Some critics have taken this lack of definitive predictions to mean that string theory is a protean concept whose advocates seek to step outside the established scientific method. Nothing could be further from the truth. Certainly, we are feeling our way through a complex mathematical terrain, and no doubt have much ground yet to cover. But we will hold string theory to the usual scientific standard: to be accepted, it must make predictions that are verified. http://tinyurl.com/unjox I was struck by these two paragraphs because the criticisms the writer cites sound very similar to those that have been made of the Maharishi Effect theory and various other paranormal-type claims. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Press Release - Lynch Foundation withdrew grant to High School
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gimari03 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I did not speak at the presentation at my kids's high school. Someone else unexpectedly walked onto the stage. I merely listened. I provided a letter to the school board expaining my understanding of the TMO, which is more indepth than that presented by the DL foundation reps. Nothing more. Nothing less. Other folks were very active against TM in the school. I merely provided information, and my personal opinion. My concern was full disclosure. I did not become active. Nor do I intend to do so. Have declined interviews on the issue. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: Areyou aware that gimari03 is the specific person who was shouting down intelligent debate, etc? My bad. I got the impression that you were that particular person. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Press Release - Lynch Foundation withdrew grant to High School
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The intent of our offer has always been to reduce the level of stress among students and staffwhich has been our experience with this program in schools all over the country, said Bob Roth, vice president of the David Lynch Foundation. We are disappointed to encounter such misunderstandings from a tiny but vocal religious minority. This is the point that it amazes me that several people here have missed, in their one-pointedness. This quote was made by the *TM* folks, not by the critics. *They* are claiming that the resistance to the grant came from a religious minority, when in fact it seemed to come primarily from former TMers. The most religious minority possible: fanatical exers... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Press Release - Lynch Foundation withdrew grant to High School
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: The intent of our offer has always been to reduce the level of stress among students and staffwhich has been our experience with this program in schools all over the country, said Bob Roth, vice president of the David Lynch Foundation. We are disappointed to encounter such misunderstandings from a tiny but vocal religious minority. This is the point that it amazes me that several people here have missed, in their one-pointedness. This quote was made by the *TM* folks, not by the critics. *They* are claiming that the resistance to the grant came from a religious minority, when in fact it seemed to come primarily from former TMers. If that's true, it's very telling. Backlash, baby. You'd think that small and medium size donations would dry up before that type of backlash would occur. It might just be isolated though Somebody asked me about TM last night at a local church. I didn't know how to honestly explain the current course fee Just as MMY says: it's designed to attract elitists. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Retire at 30
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry, I don't understand a word or number that you printed below, new.morning... Here's an annuity calculator...all you have to do is plug in the age and gender and the single premium amount you're paying and they'll give you all the annuity figures you want: http://www.immediateannuities.com/?_g_immediate_annuity I tested your site. Of course its not applicable for this question because it only allows entrys for age 40 plus, not 30. And my calcs are more conservative -- assuming annuity to age 100 -- if life is less than that, residual can go to estate. Yet, with your calculator, a 2mil asset provides a life annuity of $10,000, month. Surely livable. What of course your calcualtor does not do, and my model does do, is show what investable income, and returns from age 18-30 could provide. It yields 1-4+ million across various assumptions. Conclusion. Many sex workers could easily and comfortably retire by 30 in Netherlands. I am surprised that you cast your self as a financial planner and yet this was not obvious. Look at the SS models. Use your own assumtions if you disagree with the range of assumptions I used. i set up a seperate sheet/tab for your what-ifs. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: Uh, I deal with annuities, lifetime annuities, and SPIAs as part of my business...I'd sure love to see the figures for a 35 year To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Press Release - Lynch Foundation withdrew grant to High School
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, suziezuzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It sounds like the grant could have been channeled into a local TM center with some advertising to the school for those who still wanted to participate. Why the quick judgment to withdraw over a few dissenters? Mark Von Trumpledorf III Because of the current two-tier fee: $2500 each for individuals as individuals, $600 for participants in a school-wide program. They could teach 250+ people on $175,000 or 75 people as individuals. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Retire at 30
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: Sorry, I don't understand a word or number that you printed below, new.morning... Here's an annuity calculator...all you have to do is plug in the age and gender and the single premium amount you're paying and they'll give you all the annuity figures you want: http://www.immediateannuities.com/?_g_immediate_annuity I tested your site. Of course its not applicable for this question because it only allows entrys for age 40 plus, not 30. And my calcs are more conservative -- assuming annuity to age 100 - - if life is less than that, residual can go to estate. Yet, with your calculator, a 2mil asset provides a life annuity of $10,000, month. Surely livable. What of course your calcualtor does not do, and my model does do, is show what investable income, and returns from age 18-30 could provide. It yields 1-4+ million across various assumptions. It certainly may do that but if I don't understand it (and who can understand that mumbo-jumbo of figures), I can't discuss it with you. Just tell me: how much do you assume she has to accumulate in cash be age 30? Conclusion. Many sex workers could easily and comfortably retire by 30 in Netherlands. I am surprised that you cast your self as a financial planner and yet this was not obvious. Look at the SS models. Use your own assumtions if you disagree with the range of assumptions I used. i set up a seperate sheet/tab for your what-ifs. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: Uh, I deal with annuities, lifetime annuities, and SPIAs as part of my business...I'd sure love to see the figures for a 35 year To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Outside the established scientific method?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From an op-ed defending string theory by Brian Greene, a professor of physics and mathematics, in the NY Times: To be sure, no one successful experiment would establish that string theory is right, but neither would the failure of all such experiments prove the theory wrong. If the accelerator experiments fail to turn up anything, it could be that we need more powerful machines; if the astronomical observations fail to turn up anything, it could mean the effects are too small to be seen. The bottom line is that it's hard to test a theory that not only taxes the capacity of today's technology, but is also still very much under development. Some critics have taken this lack of definitive predictions to mean that string theory is a protean concept whose advocates seek to step outside the established scientific method. Nothing could be further from the truth. Certainly, we are feeling our way through a complex mathematical terrain, and no doubt have much ground yet to cover. But we will hold string theory to the usual scientific standard: to be accepted, it must make predictions that are verified. http://tinyurl.com/unjox I was struck by these two paragraphs because the criticisms the writer cites sound very similar to those that have been made of the Maharishi Effect theory and various other paranormal-type claims. It's no coinicidence that John Hagelin has been involved in both. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Press Release - Lynch Foundation withdrew grant to High School
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is the point that it amazes me that several people here have missed, in their one-pointedness. This quote was made by the *TM* folks, not by the critics. *They* are claiming that the resistance to the grant came from a religious minority, when in fact it seemed to come primarily from former TMers. This is exactly what I meant in my earlier post, TurquoiseB, that the TMO spokespeople are screaming out the loaded words religious minority, when the opposition is really from former TMers. Some readers seemed to think I meant otherwise. I got what you meant. I was just surprised that some here did not. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Press Release - Lynch Foundation withdrew grant to High School
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: "The intent of our offer has always been to reduce the level of stress among students and staffwhich has been our experience with this program in schools all over the country," said Bob Roth, vice president of the David Lynch Foundation. "We are disappointed to encounter such misunderstandings from a tiny but vocal religious minority. This is the point that it amazes me that several people here have missed, in their "one-pointedness." This quote was made by the *TM* folks, not by the critics. *They* are claiming that the resistance to the grant came from a "religious minority,"when in fact it seemed to come primarily from former TMers. If that's true, it's very telling. Backlash, baby. You'd think that small and medium size donations would dry up before that type of backlash would occur. It might just be isolated thoughSomebody asked me about TM last night at a local church. I didn't know how to honestly explain the current course fee Just as MMY says: it's designed to attract elitists.It's not really designed to attract anyone these days. There is some possibility that more people are dropping the practice than starting it. Soon more meditators will be dropping the body than new people are taking it up. I quess TM will be REALLY elitist then. JohnY __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Press Release - Lynch Foundation withdrew grant to High School
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is the point that it amazes me that several people here have missed, in their one-pointedness. This quote was made by the *TM* folks, not by the critics. *They* are claiming that the resistance to the grant came from a religious minority, when in fact it seemed to come primarily from former TMers. This is exactly what I meant in my earlier post, TurquoiseB, that the TMO spokespeople are screaming out the loaded words religious minority, when the opposition is really from former TMers. Some readers seemed to think I meant otherwise. Yeah, I knew that's what you meant; I was just surprised (though I shouldn't have been) at the number of self-important paranoids here who preferred to believe that the Lynch grant (and thus, by extension, themselves) was the target of a well-orchestrated hit by Christian fundamentalists. I mean, where is the payoff for a TM fanatic if this program got shut down by a few ex-TMers who provided information about what the TMO is really like, when instead they can believe that the TMO (and thus themselves) were targeted by a hit squad from the Christian right? :-) It's the same mentality as the we're so important that the CIA was investigating us theory. And it's just all so familiar. The Rama guy claimed similar things when *he* got flack. And in that case, some of it *was* from organizations like CAN, but the vast majority of the bad press he got came from the families of his students, who were upset that their kids had followed his advice to cut all ties with their families. But you don't look like as much of a *victim* if people think concerned parents are on your ass, so you come up with a cover story that makes it look as if an organized group is attacking religious freedom. Same thing here. This quote was designed to make it look as if the Lynch grant was the victim of a hit when in fact it was the victim only of the TM movement's own history being revealed. This quote was designed to appeal to *TMers*, and to make them feel persecuted. Fascinating how many people here on this group fell for it. Also, I think it's important to look at the *response* from the Lynch Foundation. When con- fronted, they cut and run. An indicator to me that the only way they'll *ever* get a program like this accepted is to do it quietly and behind closed doors, so that no one can tell the buyers what it is that they're buying and who it is they're buying from. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Eastward entrance?
Here's a map of the center of my home town. Can it be said that the western side of the river (actually: rapids) has the bridges as (almost) eastward entrances? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eastward entrance?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's a map of the center of my home town. http://www.ebrc.fi/kuvat/map.jpg Can it be said that the western side of the river (actually: rapids) has the bridges as (almost) eastward entrances? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Eastward entrance?
I have lived close to there. I have lived in a town outside of Helsinki kulasari (?) - Original Message From: cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.comSent: Friday, October 20, 2006 8:22:50 AMSubject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Eastward entrance? --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] . wrote: Here's a map of the center of my home town.http://www.ebrc. fi/kuvat/ map.jpg Can it be said that the western side of the river (actually: rapids) has the bridges as (almost) eastward entrances? __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Let's meditate together!
https://www.astro.fi/foorumi/index.php?topic=9409.495 They seem to have lots of fun. I'm quite envious... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] 'Paul McCartney/Sirens/Yesterday...'
Sir Paul had seen better days, of course; All those years ago; innocent years ago. Ah, All my troubles seemed so far away; Now it looks as though they're here to stay; Oh, I (do)believe in yesterday. Here, There, and Everywhere... God speed SirPaul McCartney! Long live the happy memories of better days... How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messengers low PC-to-Phone call rates. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eastward entrance?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Louis McKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have lived close to there. I have lived in a town outside of Helsinki kulasari (?) I guess you mean Kulosaari (kulo-saari =~ground-fire -island). The town might thus be Vantaa. - Original Message From: cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 8:22:50 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Eastward entrance? --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, cardemaister no_reply@ . wrote: Here's a map of the center of my home town. http://www.ebrc. fi/kuvat/ map.jpg Can it be said that the western side of the river (actually: rapids) has the bridges as (almost) eastward entrances? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Press Release - Lynch Foundation withdrew grant to High School
I for one want to see you answer this question gulliblefool, (and Turq too) According to their website, the Pacific Justice Foundation is not a collection of fundies, but rather a legal defense organization dedicated to working for religious freedom. http://www.pacificjustice.org/aboutus/ I don't know what their position was in this case, or why. Perhaps a few ex-TMers explained to them the TMO's past history with interfering with its followers religious and spiritual practices. --- off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool fflmod@ wrote: This is the point that it amazes me that several people here have missed, in their one-pointedness. This quote was made by the *TM* folks, not by the critics. *They* are claiming that the resistance to the grant came from a religious minority, when in fact it seemed to come primarily from former TMers. This is exactly what I meant in my earlier post, TurquoiseB, that the TMO spokespeople are screaming out the loaded words religious minority, when the opposition is really from former TMers. Some readers seemed to think I meant otherwise. What's your basis for this claim? Were you aware that the Pacific Justice Foundation that became involved in the dispute is a right-wing fundie Christian organization? I for one want to see you answer this question gulliblefool, (and Turq too) OffWorld To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Recognition Is Liberation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You know I love you Rory. I'm just glad to have you back. lurk Aww, thanks, lurk. I love all of you guys too. I never left, actually - - just wasn't moved to write for awhile :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Recognition Is Liberation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: You know I love you Rory. I'm just glad to have you back. Aww, thanks, lurk. I love all of you guys too. I never left, actually -- just wasn't moved to write for awhile :-) Sorta like a Quaker meeting. There are no preachers, so if no one is moved to say anything, nothing gets said. :-) And naturally, often the silence is more profound than anything that *does* get said... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Press Release - Lynch Foundation withdrew grant to High School
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: The intent of our offer has always been to reduce the level of stress among students and staffwhich has been our experience with this program in schools all over the country, said Bob Roth, vice president of the David Lynch Foundation. We are disappointed to encounter such misunderstandings from a tiny but vocal religious minority. This is the point that it amazes me that several people here have missed, in their one-pointedness. This quote was made by the *TM* folks, not by the critics. *They* are claiming that the resistance to the grant came from a religious minority, when in fact it seemed to come primarily from former TMers. The most religious minority possible: fanatical exers... My guess is that the threat of a lawsuit by the fundies had more of an impact on killing the TM club than the vocal ex-TMers. http://tinyurl.com/yhxzza Sharing the chagrin of some Terra Linda parents over the TM club was the Pacific Justice Institute, a nonprofit legal group that often advocates for religion to play a greater role in public life. In this case, though, the group threatened to sue the high school over church-state boundaries. If it's religious in nature and it involves faculty, then you would have a problem, said Kevin Snider, chief counsel for the institute. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Press Release - Lynch Foundation withdrew grant to High School
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I for one want to see you answer this question gulliblefool, (and Turq too) According to their website, the Pacific Justice Foundation is not a collection of fundies, but rather a legal defense organization dedicated to working for religious freedom. http://www.pacificjustice.org/aboutus/ I don't know what their position was in this case, or why. Perhaps a few ex-TMers explained to them the TMO's past history with interfering with its followers religious and spiritual practices Like when? OffWorld To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Outside the established scientific method?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There was an article in the New Yorker two issues ago about string theory. I didn't understand a word of it. This article is blessedly nontechnical. It's more about the *status* of string theory than what the theory *is*. Tangentially, I find that as a layperson with practically no math ability, whether I can get an inkling of what a physics theory involves depends on who's explaining it. Some writers are much better at explaining complex stuff like string theory to the general reader than others. So if I read one piece and it makes no sense to me, I've learned that that doesn't necessarily mean it's hopeless; the next piece I read may do a much better job at making it comprehensible. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Press Release - Lynch Foundation withdrew grant to High School
(gullible fool doesn't read my posts, so if anyone whose posts he does read would like to have him comment on this one, they'll need to quote it in a reply.) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I for one want to see you answer this question gulliblefool, (and Turq too) According to their website, the Pacific Justice Foundation (BTW, it's Institute, not Foundation; my error.) is not a collection of fundies, but rather a legal defense organization dedicated to working for religious freedom. http://www.pacificjustice.org/aboutus/ It's rather unlikely its Web site would say it was a collection of fundies, but if you look past its bland About Us statement, it's pretty difficult to avoid getting that impression. You could look at the stories on its blog: Victory for Traditional Marriage: California Court Upholds Prop. 22 School Reverses Course Allowing Students to Wear Pro-Life Shirts Gov. Schwarzenegger Vetoes Pro-Homosexual Curriculum Bill Gov. Schwarzenegger Signs Into Law Outrageous SB 1441 PJI Files Motion to Intervene to Defend Mt. Soledad Cross http://www.newsbull.com/m.asp?id=745 Or the testimonials from Bill O'Reilly, former attorney general Edwin Meese, and Laura Schlesinger on its home page. Or its description of its own radio program, also on its home page: Legal Edge is a weekly radio commentary on religious liberty cases or issues in which Pacific Justice Institute is currently involved. These commentaries serve both to inform and encourage the public, and the Christian community in particular, about the increasing battle to preserve First Amendment religious freedoms. Or this press release: Pacific Justice Institute Joins Battle for Quality Science Education Pacific Justice Institute has joined a federal lawsuit filed by a local parent who has endured intense opposition and unlawful tactics from school officials after he proposed a more objective policy for teaching evolution in the classroom. In an effort to restore balance and scientific soundness to science education, Larry Caldwell acted on his right under the First Amendment and California law to be involved in local curriculum decisions by proposing a Quality Science Education Policy. This proposed policy simply states that because scientific theories are constantly subject to change, they should not be taught dogmatically. Instead, teachers should help students analyze the scientific strengths and weaknesses of existing scientific theories, including the theory of evolution http://tinyurl.com/6gfsm (The press release is also reproduced approvingly on the Web site of the Discovery Institute, a fundie Christian think tank that promotes creationism, among other things.) You could also look on the Web at what others have said about it. For example, from People for the American Way: Pacific Justice Institute Based in Citrus Heights, California, this legal group is an advocate for right-wing Christians in California. Its legal activities include fighting against the rights of gay, lesbian, and transgender teachers and funding anti-gay ballot initiatives, among other right-wing causes. http://www.pfaw.org/pfaw/general/default.aspx?oid=4249 I don't know what their position was in this case, or why. It took the side of the protesters. Perhaps a few ex-TMers explained to them the TMO's past history with interfering with its followers religious and spiritual practices. It's certainly not impossible that non-fundie former TMers invited PJI to participate. There are hypocrites in every crowd. However, we're still waiting for some documentation as to whether the protesters were primarily former TMers who did not fit the description of a tiny religious minority. Nothing in the newspaper articles that have been posted here indicated that this was the case. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Press Release - Lynch Foundation withdrew grant to High School
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool fflmod@ wrote: This is the point that it amazes me that several people here have missed, in their one-pointedness. This quote was made by the *TM* folks, not by the critics. *They* are claiming that the resistance to the grant came from a religious minority, when in fact it seemed to come primarily from former TMers. This is exactly what I meant in my earlier post, TurquoiseB, that the TMO spokespeople are screaming out the loaded words religious minority, when the opposition is really from former TMers. Some readers seemed to think I meant otherwise. Yeah, I knew that's what you meant; I was just surprised (though I shouldn't have been) at the number of self-important paranoids here who preferred to believe that the Lynch grant (and thus, by extension, themselves) was the target of a well-orchestrated hit by Christian fundamentalists. Actually, there's some significant evidence that this is precisely what it was. We know of only two former TMers who participated in the protest; but we also know that a fundamentalist Christian legal organization took the side of the protesters. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Press Release - Lynch Foundation withdrew grant to High School
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: The intent of our offer has always been to reduce the level of stress among students and staffwhich has been our experience with this program in schools all over the country, said Bob Roth, vice president of the David Lynch Foundation. We are disappointed to encounter such misunderstandings from a tiny but vocal religious minority. This is the point that it amazes me that several people here have missed, in their one-pointedness. This quote was made by the *TM* folks, not by the critics. *They* are claiming that the resistance to the grant came from a religious minority, when in fact it seemed to come primarily from former TMers. The most religious minority possible: fanatical exers... My guess is that the threat of a lawsuit by the fundies had more of an impact on killing the TM club than the vocal ex-TMers. http://tinyurl.com/yhxzza Sharing the chagrin of some Terra Linda parents over the TM club was the Pacific Justice Institute, a nonprofit legal group that often advocates for religion to play a greater role in public life. (Primarily right-wing Christian religion, that is.) In this case, though, the group threatened to sue the high school over church-state boundaries. If it's religious in nature and it involves faculty, then you would have a problem, said Kevin Snider, chief counsel for the institute. gullible fool claims it isn't a fundie Christian organization, but he's quite mistaken. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Outside the established scientific method?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: There was an article in the New Yorker two issues ago about string theory. I didn't understand a word of it. This article To clarify, I was referring to the NY Times article I cited, not the New Yorker article Shemp had read: http://tinyurl.com/unjox is blessedly nontechnical. It's more about the *status* of string theory than what the theory *is*. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] You Are Invited
Title: You Are Invited Note from Steve Cooperman At our last meeting, we shared memorable experiences of community, and it generated a lot of energy and discussion about what we could do to create more of these kinds of experiences in our community. I offered to do an experiential introduction to Appreciative Inquiry (AI), a transformational process that could be used for this purpose. AI has been used by communities and organizations to create positive change; it connects people across a system by creating conversations about the best of what is and has been, and spreading that around to create more what is valued and desired. I have personally co-led the process in communities, schools, businesses, and government. We need a minimum of eight people (no max, although I'd like to have an even number of people that can be divided into groups of six and/or eight). Steve Cooperman We will be arranging a time other than Thursday evening for this Appreciative Inquiry process. If you would like to participate, please e-mail us. Notice about Our On-Going Thursday Evening Community Meeting Dear Friend, We have a sincere desire to be part of a sustainable and co-operative community here in Fairfield. We believe that to fulfill this desire this we need to engage in a process of building deeper and more functional relationships with one another, and have an open mind and open heart towards change. Our intention is to facilitate and participate in processes that have shown to be effective in helping communities come together and work together towards a common vision. These processes include Building a Safe Container, Making Agreements, Learning the Many Levels of Accountability and Integrity, Creating Trust, Understanding Projections, Clarity in Communication, and Discovering Purpose. Join Us on Thursday Evenings, 7:00 p.m., Morningstar Studio Lounge If you resonate with our desire for building a deeper, more sustainable community, we invite you to join us on Thursday evenings. Bringing an open mind and heart is all we ask. Warmest regards, Kevin Cook Eric Randall [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 209-1720 209-1702 cell: 319-621-6482 __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Recognition Is Liberation (was Re: Scandal hits
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks, Jim, this is most interesting! I had just finished reading in Swami Vishnu Devananda's Meditation and Mantras (which also includes a nice translation of Patanjali's YS) that each of the paths had its specific strengths and weaknesses. If I remember correctly he said the bhaktas suffered a lot along the way, as their faith was constantly being tested to the limits, whereas the jnanas' weakness tended to be an overemphasis on the intellectual sheath, despite their assertions of unity with Brahman. If Brian Teitzman's revised version of Ed Tarabilda's system is correct I'm actually a Surya (Solar path of synthesis, a little of each, which feels right), so I'd guess I have some of the flaws of all ... along with a good dollop of Solar pride (perhaps masked by false modesty) just for good measure, I imagine :-) Hi Rory- Thanks for this- it is always helpful to get some independent validation of one's experiences and I appreciate you sharing this. I had written what I did regarding a bhakti-ish path also because I wanted to dispel the image of someone chanting to God with finger cymbals on (!) and a lot of mood-making, and indicate that the path is every bit as rigorous, and rewarding, as any other way to liberation. My use of the term 'bhakti-ish' also indicates that there is a dose of jnani thrown in as well, though I tend to keep any intellectual understanding to a bare minimum, lest I get caught up in it. I track just enough so that I know where I am at all times. Two more things: First, similar to your comments regarding not having to *do* anything about the 27 (28) Nakshatras, and the way of liberation feeling 'right', we don't choose our way of liberation, whether bhakti or jnani. It just comes naturally. Second, regarding all the suffering of the bhakti, once liberation is reached, there is not only no longer any suffering, but the relationship with God is so intimate, so friendly, so normal, that going forward becomes like the experience of a kid in a candy store, or like just going about one's daily business with our favorite Saint, Master, God or Goddess at our side, ready for any kind of interaction. it is really an amazing experience, yet completely normal. Maharishi has said that all paths find their fulfillment in liberation anyway, so regardless of the bus we boarded to get here, here we are! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Press Release - Lynch Foundation withdrew grant to High School
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip I was just surprised (though I shouldn't have been) at the number of self-important paranoids here who preferred to believe that the Lynch grant (and thus, by extension, themselves) was the target of a well-orchestrated hit by Christian fundamentalists. Actually, there's some significant evidence that this is precisely what it was. We know of only two former TMers who participated in the protest; but we also know that a fundamentalist Christian legal organization took the side of the protesters. After reading up on the Pacific Justice Institute, they appear to be very much a (f)right wing fundamentalist Christian organization, who in this case, targeted the TM initiative. www.pacificjustice.org To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Stop another Republican falsehood advert
Title: Stop another Republican falsehood advert For Iowans. Please pass this on to any Iowa voters . . . Friends, Just when you thought it was safe to go back to your television, along comes yet another unaccountable special interest group spreading misleading negative political attacks against Democrats. This time it isn't Swift Boat Veterans for Truth or the Economic Freedom Fund. They are called Iowans for Agriculture, and the more real Iowans know about this unregulated 527 group, the fewer will fall victim to their attempt to buy this election. Their TV ads start airing Monday, October 23rd. Please forward this email to everyone who might vote in November, so that they know Iowans for Agriculture is just another secretive group trying to mislead them into voting for Republicans. What do we know about Iowans for Agriculture? 527s are so unregulated that we know almost nothing. We don't know who they are. We don't know how many corporations or wealthy individuals contributed tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars to them. We don't know what their real agenda is. In short, we don't know much, but we know they are coming- and Iowans deserve to be prepared. Please send this email to everyone you know. Write a letter to your local newspaper. Tell Iowans that a group claiming to be Iowans for Agriculture is really just another unaccountable, unregulated 527 group trying to buy this election, just like Republicans have bought so much else. Don't let them do it. Thank you. Sally Pederson Iowa Democratic Party Chair PS. For more information about this year's unprecedented negative campaigning, visit www.stopgopsmear.com http://www.stopgopsmear.com . Rob Sand Campaign Manager, O'Brien for Secretary of Ag East Army Post Road Suite 476 Des Moines, IA 50315 office: 515-953-0978 cell: 515-441-6748 [EMAIL PROTECTED] __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Press Release - Lynch Foundation withdrew grant to High School
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool fflmod@ wrote: This is the point that it amazes me that several people here have missed, in their one-pointedness. This quote was made by the *TM* folks, not by the critics. *They* are claiming that the resistance to the grant came from a religious minority, when in fact it seemed to come primarily from former TMers. This is exactly what I meant in my earlier post, TurquoiseB, that the TMO spokespeople are screaming out the loaded words religious minority, when the opposition is really from former TMers. Some readers seemed to think I meant otherwise. Yeah, I knew that's what you meant; I was just surprised (though I shouldn't have been) at the number of self-important paranoids here who preferred to believe that the Lynch grant (and thus, by extension, themselves) was the target of a well-orchestrated hit by Christian fundamentalists. Except, the main threat WAS from a fundamentalist Christian group,as the newspaper articles made clear. Of course, you know this... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Press Release - Lynch Foundation withdrew grant to High School
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: The intent of our offer has always been to reduce the level of stress among students and staffwhich has been our experience with this program in schools all over the country, said Bob Roth, vice president of the David Lynch Foundation. We are disappointed to encounter such misunderstandings from a tiny but vocal religious minority. This is the point that it amazes me that several people here have missed, in their one-pointedness. This quote was made by the *TM* folks, not by the critics. *They* are claiming that the resistance to the grant came from a religious minority, when in fact it seemed to come primarily from former TMers. If that's true, it's very telling. Backlash, baby. You'd think that small and medium size donations would dry up before that type of backlash would occur. It might just be isolated though Somebody asked me about TM last night at a local church. I didn't know how to honestly explain the current course fee Just as MMY says: it's designed to attract elitists. It's not really designed to attract anyone these days. There is some possibility that more people are dropping the practice than starting it. Soon more meditators will be dropping the body than new people are taking it up. I quess TM will be REALLY elitist then. JohnY You have no idea how many people are learning TM at the new rates, do you? How WOULD you know? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Press Release - Lynch Foundation withdrew grant to High School
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I for one want to see you answer this question gulliblefool, (and Turq too) According to their website, the Pacific Justice Foundation is not a collection of fundies, but rather a legal defense organization dedicated to working for religious freedom. http://www.pacificjustice.org/aboutus/ I don't know what their position was in this case, or why. Perhaps a few ex-TMers explained to them the TMO's past history with interfering with its followers religious and spiritual practices. Are you as [fill in blank] as you seem to be? http://www.pacificjustice.org/resources/news/ Oct.16 PJI PREPARES TO GO HEAD TO HEAD WITH SOCAL ACLU Oct.05 Victory for Traditional Marriage: California Court Upholds Prop. 22 Sep.29 Gov. Schwarzenegger Vetoes Pro-Homosexual School Bills Sep.27 PJI Announces Grand Opening of Southern California Satellite Office Sep.20 PJI Assists Pastors Through Timely Legal Seminars Sep.12 School Reverses Course Allowing Students to Wear Pro-Life Shirts To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Outside the established scientific method?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: There was an article in the New Yorker two issues ago about string theory. I didn't understand a word of it. This article is blessedly nontechnical. It's more about the *status* of string theory than what the theory *is*. Tangentially, I find that as a layperson with practically no math ability, whether I can get an inkling of what a physics theory involves depends on who's explaining it. Some writers are much better at explaining complex stuff like string theory to the general reader than others. So if I read one piece and it makes no sense to me, I've learned that that doesn't necessarily mean it's hopeless; the next piece I read may do a much better job at making it comprehensible. Generally, if you can't make head or tails of an explanation, it's because the scientist doesn't realy understand the subject either: I think that I can safely say that nobody understands quantum mechanics. The character of physical law (Richard Feynman, Cambridge, USA, 1967) What I am going to tell you about is what we teach our physics students in the third or fourth year of graduate school... It is my task to convince you not to turn away because you don't understand it. You see my physics students don't understand it... That is because I don't understand it. Nobody does. QED, The Strange Theory of Light and Matter, ( Feynman, London, 1990) 9. On the other hand, even within the boundries of what is well understood, math is essential to grasp the finer details: To those who do not know mathematics it is difficult to get across a real feeling as to the beauty, the deepest beauty, of nature ... If you want to learn about nature, to appreciate nature, it is necessary to understand the language that she speaks in. -The Character of Physical Law, Richard Feynman. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Press Release - Lynch Foundation withdrew grant to High School
OKay, a quickie reponse, then I'm done. Just to explain the situation, as I saw it, for those interested. I attended alone. There was NOT a planned outcry/battle against this, to my knowledge. In fact, no debate nor conversation was tolerated. The high school made an announcement - I saw it in the paper. An informal informational meeting was being held about this new program funded by the DL foundation- with open invitation to interested parties. Since my kids graduated from the school, I was curious. The informal meeting was a slick roll out of a program. Seven well educated speakers came up to present benefits of TM-the-technique with extensive computer overheads by power point and video. They spoke w the standard smooth reassuring monotone. A few mintues were allowed for questions. One person asked about the puja or mantras. The MSAE headmaster at the podium dodged the question We have a proven method of instruction that is identical and personalized for each individual. The TLHS principal became uncomfortable with a few questions, she said there was nor more time for questions. I had a few questions also, was not allowed to ask. When it became clear that we were not allowed to ask anything, Susan C calmly walked onto the stage, past the principal and MSAE headmaster. She stood center stage and said I am a former TM teacher blah blah.. She said maybe two sentences. (I didn't know she lived here.) The principal called for security to remove her from the stage and the lights were dimmed. Someone else (a man I know w/o religious nor TM affiliation) yelled Allow her to talk! I tried to hush him. Another father yelled We didn't come to hear her. We came to hear them! pointing to the TMO folks. Then he added You don't have kids here anyway! What do you care?! My friend said Yeah! Well they (pointing to the TMO folks) don't have kids here either! (oi!) Meeting ended. Some folks gathered to talk near the stage. Reporter was taking photos. I walked away and talked to a few folks in the back of the auditorium. There was no screaming and flailing of arms in protest of a normal debate at the high school. There was no normal debate nor civil question-and-answer allowed. It was like watching the two halves of my heart doing battle (my upbringing and loved ones in TMO vs my local community) Some parents were concerned about TMO's hidden agenda, as they had prior exposure to TMO decades ago. Newspaper article came out about someone storming the stage. A few days later I wrote my letter (as posted here). It was cc'd around. 48hrs later the DL foundation withdrew the grant. I don't know about right wing Christian legal threats (there might have been, or not, I do not know) The parents that I know were concerned about potential TMO hidden agenda. To my knowledge, no one spoke of religious conflict. IMHO, if a religious program claimed to be a religious program (e.g. a prayer group) then fine. The TMOs hidden agenda was the concern. We were all surprised about the press' spin of religious minority. I don't know what religious affiliation, if any, other parents have. Perhaps a right wing group was invovled behind the scenes. Perhaps not. Again, I don't know. Just wanted to inform my hometown-of-sorts. Otherwise, I have more pressing issues in my life. That's all folks. Best to all! Gina --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool fflmod@ wrote: Same thing here. This quote was designed to make it look as if the Lynch grant was the victim of a hit when in fact it was the victim only of the TM movement's own history being revealed. This quote was designed to appeal to *TMers*, and to make them feel persecuted. Fascinating how many people here on this group fell for it. Also, I think it's important to look at the *response* from the Lynch Foundation. When con- fronted, they cut and run. An indicator to me that the only way they'll *ever* get a program like this accepted is to do it quietly and behind closed doors, so that no one can tell the buyers what it is that they're buying and who it is they're buying from. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Press Release - Lynch Foundation withdrew grant to High School
Thanks for the update. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gimari03 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Perhaps a right wing group was invovled behind the scenes. Perhaps not. There *was* a religious right-wing group involved behind the scenes; this was reported in one of the newspaper articles that was posted here. Whether they actually made a legal threat, I have no idea, but their involvement was an implicit threat, given that lawsuits is what they *do*. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Press Release - Lynch Foundation withdrew grant to High School
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: My guess is that the threat of a lawsuit by the fundies had more of an impact on killing the TM club than the vocal ex-TMers. I think you're probably correct. They (the Lynch Foundation) was afraid of having a precedent set. As noble as Mr. Lynch's intent is to help enable more people to learn TM, I can't help but think that his solution is ignoring the fundamental problem -- the price is too damned high. As far as I can tell, this $175,000 grant to the school system is just a disguise for funneling $165,000 of it ($600 per person instructed) directly to the TMO, That sounds very sinister. If Mr. Lynch wanted to funnel $165,000 to the TMO, he could have done it by just writing the TMO a check for that amount. He would have gotten virtually the same tax benefit either by giving the money to his foundation first (as he did) and then having the foundation pay for the instructions or originally giving the money to the TMO. I believe the reason he is doing everything through his foundation -- as we've discussed here before -- is that he wants more control of his own money. with $10,000 offered to the school system as a kind of bribe, and to cover the cost of a room in which the students could meet. The whole idea of trying to introduce TM at a reduced price to students points out that Mr. Lynch *under- stands* what the real problem is, and that this is his attempt to get the TMO to do what it should have done long ago -- lower its prices. If TM instruction cost what it should (a maximum of $75), and if the instructors did a good enough job of presenting its benefits, people would still be learning to meditate. The grant idea, although noble in its intent, is a patch to the fatally flawed policies of an organization that seems bent on pricing itself out of existence. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Press Release - Lynch Foundation withdrew grant to High School
Thanks for taking the time to clear things up, Gina. The way it looks to me, the conservative legal group got involved *as a result of the article*, not as part of some anti-TM hit. The desire on the part of some TMers to believe that they're the target of some huge conspiracy against them seems to me to be Just Another Desire To Be Important. :-) What you have described of the meeting itself bears out my original suspicions -- what did in the grant proposal was the TM movement's own history, its karma coming home to roost. No one would *have* to invent anything negative about them; all that is necessary is to say what they've done in the past, and leave it up to the imagination of the non-TMers as to whether they can be trusted not to do it again with a new generation of recruits. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gimari03 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OKay, a quickie reponse, then I'm done. Just to explain the situation, as I saw it, for those interested. I attended alone. There was NOT a planned outcry/battle against this, to my knowledge. In fact, no debate nor conversation was tolerated. The high school made an announcement - I saw it in the paper. An informal informational meeting was being held about this new program funded by the DL foundation- with open invitation to interested parties. Since my kids graduated from the school, I was curious. The informal meeting was a slick roll out of a program. Seven well educated speakers came up to present benefits of TM-the-technique with extensive computer overheads by power point and video. They spoke w the standard smooth reassuring monotone. A few mintues were allowed for questions. One person asked about the puja or mantras. The MSAE headmaster at the podium dodged the question We have a proven method of instruction that is identical and personalized for each individual. The TLHS principal became uncomfortable with a few questions, she said there was nor more time for questions. I had a few questions also, was not allowed to ask. When it became clear that we were not allowed to ask anything, Susan C calmly walked onto the stage, past the principal and MSAE headmaster. She stood center stage and said I am a former TM teacher blah blah.. She said maybe two sentences. (I didn't know she lived here.) The principal called for security to remove her from the stage and the lights were dimmed. Someone else (a man I know w/o religious nor TM affiliation) yelled Allow her to talk! I tried to hush him. Another father yelled We didn't come to hear her. We came to hear them! pointing to the TMO folks. Then he added You don't have kids here anyway! What do you care?! My friend said Yeah! Well they (pointing to the TMO folks) don't have kids here either! (oi!) Meeting ended. Some folks gathered to talk near the stage. Reporter was taking photos. I walked away and talked to a few folks in the back of the auditorium. There was no screaming and flailing of arms in protest of a normal debate at the high school. There was no normal debate nor civil question-and-answer allowed. It was like watching the two halves of my heart doing battle (my upbringing and loved ones in TMO vs my local community) Some parents were concerned about TMO's hidden agenda, as they had prior exposure to TMO decades ago. Newspaper article came out about someone storming the stage. A few days later I wrote my letter (as posted here). It was cc'd around. 48hrs later the DL foundation withdrew the grant. I don't know about right wing Christian legal threats (there might have been, or not, I do not know) The parents that I know were concerned about potential TMO hidden agenda. To my knowledge, no one spoke of religious conflict. IMHO, if a religious program claimed to be a religious program (e.g. a prayer group) then fine. The TMOs hidden agenda was the concern. We were all surprised about the press' spin of religious minority. I don't know what religious affiliation, if any, other parents have. Perhaps a right wing group was invovled behind the scenes. Perhaps not. Again, I don't know. Just wanted to inform my hometown-of-sorts. Otherwise, I have more pressing issues in my life. That's all folks. Best to all! Gina --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool fflmod@ wrote: Same thing here. This quote was designed to make it look as if the Lynch grant was the victim of a hit when in fact it was the victim only of the TM movement's own history being revealed. This quote was designed to appeal to *TMers*, and to make them feel persecuted. Fascinating how many people here on this group fell for it. Also, I think it's important to look at the *response* from the Lynch Foundation. When con- fronted, they cut
[FairfieldLife] Re: Press Release - Lynch Foundation withdrew grant to High School
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the update. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gimari03 no_reply@ wrote: snip Perhaps a right wing group was invovled behind the scenes. Perhaps not. There *was* a religious right-wing group involved behind the scenes; this was reported in one of the newspaper articles that was posted here. Whether they actually made a legal threat, I have no idea, but their involvement was an implicit threat, given that lawsuits is what they *do*. OK, I checked, and there *was* an explicit legal threat made by the fundie group. From the San Diego Union-Tribune: ...Others said they felt TM was too close to a religion and therefore should not be promoted as a student activity, leading a conservative legal organization to consider suing the school for violating the separation of church and state Sharing the chagrin of some Terra Linda parents over the TM club was the Pacific Justice Institute, a nonprofit legal group that often advocates for religion to play a greater role in public life. In this case, though, the group threatened to sue the high school over church- state boundaries. If it's religious in nature and it involves faculty, then you would have a problem, said Kevin Snider, chief counsel for the institute. http://tinyurl.com/yarwxq This was in one of the articles posted here, so let's all stop pretending the involvement of a fundie Christian group is a vile rumor started by TM's supporters, shall we? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gimari03 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OKay, a quickie reponse, then I'm done. Just to explain the situation, as I saw it, for those interested. snip Susan C calmly walked onto the stage, past the principal and MSAE headmaster. She stood center stage and said I am a former TM teacher blah blah.. She said maybe two sentences. (I didn't know she lived here.) snip From the local NBC11.com website: Parent Susan Crittendon [the Susan C. referenced above] said the group has raised some concerns. Its the beginning of a whole new philosophy of life. They work by putting people in trances, and when you're in a trance you're more suggestible, parent Susan Crittendon. --I've been doing TM for almost 31 years, and I'm still waiting for the trance to kick in. Can anyone please explain to me how the trance part is accomplished? I must be 'off the program'... PS from a poll on the NBC11 website: Would you allow your child to take trancendental meditation? Choice Votes Percentage of 184 Votes Yes, I think it is harmless. 60 33% Yes, it sounds pretty interesting. 58 32% Maybe, I'd want to know more about it. 25 14% No, it's too wacky. 13 7% No, it's a waste of money and time. 28 15% To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Press Release - Lynch Foundation withdrew grant to High School
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: My guess is that the threat of a lawsuit by the fundies had more of an impact on killing the TM club than the vocal ex-TMers. I think you're probably correct. They (the Lynch Foundation) was afraid of having a precedent set. As noble as Mr. Lynch's intent is to help enable more people to learn TM, I can't help but think that his solution is ignoring the fundamental problem -- the price is too damned high. As far as I can tell, this $175,000 grant to the school system is just a disguise for funneling $165,000 of it ($600 per person instructed) directly to the TMO, That sounds very sinister. It's the reality of the situation. As I understand the grant, the school system gets to keep only $10,000. All the rest of the money goes to the TMO. If Mr. Lynch wanted to funnel $165,000 to the TMO, he could have done it by just writing the TMO a check for that amount. He would have gotten virtually the same tax benefit either by giving the money to his foundation first (as he did) and then having the foundation pay for the instructions or originally giving the money to the TMO. Yes, but then 275 people would not have learned to meditate. I believe that David Lynch honestly wants *that* to be the effect that giving away his money has on the world. I also believe that he's hip enough to know that if he gave the money to the TMO that *no one new* would start TM as a result. They'd piss it away on some building or some new bagpipes for the Rajas or send it to India where it would disappear into the pockets of Maharishi's relatives. So he's doing what he can to try to get the TMO to focus on what it should have been focusing on all along -- teaching TM. I believe the reason he is doing everything through his foundation -- as we've discussed here before -- is that he wants more control of his own money. We are agreed on this. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for taking the time to clear things up, Gina. The way it looks to me, the conservative legal group got involved *as a result of the article*, not as part of some anti-TM hit. The desire on the part of some TMers to believe that they're the target of some huge conspiracy against them seems to me to be Just Another Desire To Be Important. :-) More Barry-fantasy-fiction: Nobody, of course, suggested any huge conspiracy. And in fact, we have no evidence or even indication either way of exactly how the right-wing fundie group became involved. So there's just as much desire to believe in Barry's speculation as in anybody else's. The difference is that the pro-TMers will *acknowledge* that they don't know, whereas the anti-TMers will use-- not to mention embellish--their speculation as if it were established fact to bash the pro-TMers, as Barry has done above. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip Yeah, I knew that's what you meant; I was just surprised (though I shouldn't have been) at the number of self-important paranoids here who preferred to believe that the Lynch grant (and thus, by extension, themselves) was the target of a well-orchestrated hit by Christian fundamentalists. Except, the main threat WAS from a fundamentalist Christian group,as the newspaper articles made clear. Of course, you know this... But he prefers to believe otherwise. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Press Release - Lynch Foundation withdrew grant to High School
TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: My guess is that the threat of a lawsuit by the fundies had more of an impact on killing the TM club than the vocal ex-TMers. I think you're probably correct. They (the Lynch Foundation) was afraid of having a precedent set. As noble as Mr. Lynch's intent is to help enable more people to learn TM, I can't help but think that his solution is ignoring the fundamental problem -- the price is too damned high. As far as I can tell, this $175,000 grant to the school system is just a disguise for funneling $165,000 of it ($600 per person instructed) directly to the TMO, That sounds very sinister. It's the reality of the situation. As I understand the grant, the school system gets to keep only $10,000. All the rest of the money goes to the TMO. If Mr. Lynch wanted to funnel $165,000 to the TMO, he could have done it by just writing the TMO a check for that amount. He would have gotten virtually the same tax benefit either by giving the money to his foundation first (as he did) and then having the foundation pay for the instructions or originally giving the money to the TMO. Yes, but then 275 people would not have learned to meditate. I believe that David Lynch honestly wants *that* to be the effect that giving away his money has on the world. I also believe that he's hip enough to know that if he gave the money to the TMO that *no one new* would start TM as a result. They'd piss it away on some building or some new bagpipes for the Rajas or send it to India where it would disappear into the pockets of Maharishi's relatives. So he's doing what he can to try to get the TMO to focus on what it should have been focusing on all along -- teaching TM. I believe the reason he is doing everything through his foundation -- as we've discussed here before -- is that he wants more control of his own money. We are agreed on this. I'm thinking that Lynch might need a Kaplan moment. ;-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Press Release - Lynch Foundation withdrew grant to High School
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: My guess is that the threat of a lawsuit by the fundies had more of an impact on killing the TM club than the vocal ex-TMers. I think you're probably correct. They (the Lynch Foundation) was afraid of having a precedent set. As noble as Mr. Lynch's intent is to help enable more people to learn TM, I can't help but think that his solution is ignoring the fundamental problem -- the price is too damned high. As far as I can tell, this $175,000 grant to the school system is just a disguise for funneling $165,000 of it ($600 per person instructed) directly to the TMO, That sounds very sinister. It's the reality of the situation. As I understand the grant, the school system gets to keep only $10,000. All the rest of the money goes to the TMO. If Mr. Lynch wanted to funnel $165,000 to the TMO, he could have done it by just writing the TMO a check for that amount. He would have gotten virtually the same tax benefit either by giving the money to his foundation first (as he did) and then having the foundation pay for the instructions or originally giving the money to the TMO. Yes, but then 275 people would not have learned to meditate. I believe that David Lynch honestly wants *that* to be the effect that giving away his money has on the world. I also believe that he's hip enough to know that if he gave the money to the TMO that *no one new* would start TM as a result. They'd piss it away on some building or some new bagpipes for the Rajas or send it to India where it would disappear into the pockets of Maharishi's relatives. So he's doing what he can to try to get the TMO to focus on what it should have been focusing on all along -- teaching TM. I believe the reason he is doing everything through his foundation -- as we've discussed here before -- is that he wants more control of his own money. We are agreed on this. I'm thinking that Lynch might need a Kaplan moment. ;-) Which Kaplan -- Harris or Earl? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Press Release - Lynch Foundation withdrew grant to High School
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gimari03 no_reply@ wrote: OKay, a quickie reponse, then I'm done. Just to explain the situation, as I saw it, for those interested. snip Susan C calmly walked onto the stage, past the principal and MSAE headmaster. She stood center stage and said I am a former TM teacher blah blah.. She said maybe two sentences. (I didn't know she lived here.) snip From the local NBC11.com website: Parent Susan Crittendon [the Susan C. referenced above] said the group has raised some concerns. Its the beginning of a whole new philosophy of life. They work by putting people in trances, and when you're in a trance you're more suggestible, parent Susan Crittendon. --I've been doing TM for almost 31 years, and I'm still waiting for the trance to kick in. Can anyone please explain to me how the trance part is accomplished? I must be 'off the program'... PS from a poll on the NBC11 website: Would you allow your child to take trancendental meditation? Choice Votes Percentage of 184 Votes Yes, I think it is harmless. 60 33% Yes, it sounds pretty interesting. 58 32% That's VERY positive! 65% are predisposed to TM DESPITE the negativity of the school program episode. It just shows that people ARE seekers...they are, indeed, desparate for something like TM. Why the f**k do we have to charge $2,500 for it? Charge $75 and people will flock to us...AND they'll be so blown away that the money that they would donate as a result (all we'd have to do is ask) would probably end up being many times MORE than the $2,500 that each would pay... Maybe, I'd want to know more about it. 25 14% No, it's too wacky. 13 7% No, it's a waste of money and time. 28 15% To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Press Release - Lynch Foundation withdrew grant to High School
Someone on this forum -- I forget who -- suggested that the best way to provide instruction grant money to schools is to give it directly to the students OUTSIDE the ambit of the school...just announce that the grants are available to students of so-and-so school and to contact so-and-so and there you have itin other words, leave the school out of it entirely (and I guess that in conjuction with that, nothing stops the school from having a 10 or 15 minute quiet time in which students can do what they want...and the TMers can, of course, meditate...) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Thanks for the update. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gimari03 no_reply@ wrote: snip Perhaps a right wing group was invovled behind the scenes. Perhaps not. There *was* a religious right-wing group involved behind the scenes; this was reported in one of the newspaper articles that was posted here. Whether they actually made a legal threat, I have no idea, but their involvement was an implicit threat, given that lawsuits is what they *do*. OK, I checked, and there *was* an explicit legal threat made by the fundie group. From the San Diego Union-Tribune: ...Others said they felt TM was too close to a religion and therefore should not be promoted as a student activity, leading a conservative legal organization to consider suing the school for violating the separation of church and state Sharing the chagrin of some Terra Linda parents over the TM club was the Pacific Justice Institute, a nonprofit legal group that often advocates for religion to play a greater role in public life. In this case, though, the group threatened to sue the high school over church- state boundaries. If it's religious in nature and it involves faculty, then you would have a problem, said Kevin Snider, chief counsel for the institute. http://tinyurl.com/yarwxq This was in one of the articles posted here, so let's all stop pretending the involvement of a fundie Christian group is a vile rumor started by TM's supporters, shall we? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Press Release - Lynch Foundation withdrew grant to High School
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: My guess is that the threat of a lawsuit by the fundies had more of an impact on killing the TM club than the vocal ex-TMers. I think you're probably correct. They (the Lynch Foundation) was afraid of having a precedent set. As noble as Mr. Lynch's intent is to help enable more people to learn TM, I can't help but think that his solution is ignoring the fundamental problem -- the price is too damned high. As far as I can tell, this $175,000 grant to the school system is just a disguise for funneling $165,000 of it ($600 per person instructed) directly to the TMO, That sounds very sinister. It's the reality of the situation. As I understand the grant, the school system gets to keep only $10,000. All the rest of the money goes to the TMO. If Mr. Lynch wanted to funnel $165,000 to the TMO, he could have done it by just writing the TMO a check for that amount. He would have gotten virtually the same tax benefit either by giving the money to his foundation first (as he did) and then having the foundation pay for the instructions or originally giving the money to the TMO. Yes, but then 275 people would not have learned to meditate. I believe that David Lynch honestly wants *that* to be the effect that giving away his money has on the world. I also believe that he's hip enough to know that if he gave the money to the TMO that *no one new* would start TM as a result. They'd piss it away on some building or some new bagpipes for the Rajas or send it to India where it would disappear into the pockets of Maharishi's relatives. So he's doing what he can to try to get the TMO to focus on what it should have been focusing on all along -- teaching TM. I believe the reason he is doing everything through his foundation -- as we've discussed here before -- is that he wants more control of his own money. We are agreed on this. We are agreed, indeed. That's why I can't understand why you wrote that the $165,000 was a way to funnel it to the TMO. It seems that it was a way to get people to meditate that otherwise wouldn't have had he funneled it directly to the TMO without any conditions attached to it... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Press Release - Lynch Foundation withdrew grant to High School
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: The intent of our offer has always been to reduce the level of stress among students and staffwhich has been our experience with this program in schools all over the country, said Bob Roth, vice president of the David Lynch Foundation. We are disappointed to encounter such misunderstandings from a tiny but vocal religious minority. This is the point that it amazes me that several people here have missed, in their one-pointedness. This quote was made by the *TM* folks, not by the critics. *They* are claiming that the resistance to the grant came from a religious minority, when in fact it seemed to come primarily from former TMers. If that's true, it's very telling. Backlash, baby. You'd think that small and medium size donations would dry up before that type of backlash would occur. It might just be isolated though Somebody asked me about TM last night at a local church. I didn't know how to honestly explain the current course fee Just as MMY says: it's designed to attract elitists. It's not really designed to attract anyone these days. There is some possibility that more people are dropping the practice than starting it. Soon more meditators will be dropping the body than new people are taking it up. I quess TM will be REALLY elitist then. JohnY You have no idea how many people are learning TM at the new rates, do you? How WOULD you know? You're right. Let's look at it this way. The last active teacher in my part of the state was ME. I know all the other teachers here. No one has learned here in quite some time. Several meditators have died. So unless meditators are cloning themselves BTW, 80 and 100 miles away (in different directions) there are a few teachers. Haven't heard of anyone being taught. JohnY JphnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Press Release - Lynch Foundation withdrew grant to High School
shempmcgurk wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: My guess is that the threat of a lawsuit by the fundies had more of an impact on killing the TM club than the vocal ex-TMers. I think you're probably correct. They (the Lynch Foundation) was afraid of having a precedent set. As noble as Mr. Lynch's intent is to help enable more people to learn TM, I can't help but think that his solution is ignoring the fundamental problem -- the price is too damned high. As far as I can tell, this $175,000 grant to the school system is just a disguise for funneling $165,000 of it ($600 per person instructed) directly to the TMO, That sounds very sinister. It's the reality of the situation. As I understand the grant, the school system gets to keep only $10,000. All the rest of the money goes to the TMO. If Mr. Lynch wanted to funnel $165,000 to the TMO, he could have done it by just writing the TMO a check for that amount. He would have gotten virtually the same tax benefit either by giving the money to his foundation first (as he did) and then having the foundation pay for the instructions or originally giving the money to the TMO. Yes, but then 275 people would not have learned to meditate. I believe that David Lynch honestly wants *that* to be the effect that giving away his money has on the world. I also believe that he's hip enough to know that if he gave the money to the TMO that *no one new* would start TM as a result. They'd piss it away on some building or some new bagpipes for the Rajas or send it to India where it would disappear into the pockets of Maharishi's relatives. So he's doing what he can to try to get the TMO to focus on what it should have been focusing on all along -- teaching TM. I believe the reason he is doing everything through his foundation -- as we've discussed here before -- is that he wants more control of his own money. We are agreed on this. I'm thinking that Lynch might need a Kaplan moment. ;-) Which Kaplan -- Harris or Earl? The one that wrote the letter. I think it was Earl. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Recognition Is Liberation (was Re: Scandal hits
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Rory- Thanks for this- it is always helpful to get some independent validation of one's experiences and I appreciate you sharing this. I had written what I did regarding a bhakti-ish path also because I wanted to dispel the image of someone chanting to God with finger cymbals on (!) and a lot of mood-making, and indicate that the path is every bit as rigorous, and rewarding, as any other way to liberation. My use of the term 'bhakti-ish' also indicates that there is a dose of jnani thrown in as well, though I tend to keep any intellectual understanding to a bare minimum, lest I get caught up in it. I track just enough so that I know where I am at all times. Yes, yours is definitely a Path with Heart :-) Two more things: First, similar to your comments regarding not having to *do* anything about the 27 (28) Nakshatras, *lol* Just 27. I was making a joking reference to Akasha/New Morning's joke about them and the secret 28th (or words to that effect). and the way of liberation feeling 'right', we don't choose our way of liberation, whether bhakti or jnani. It just comes naturally. Absolutely -- again, more of a description than a prescription! Second, regarding all the suffering of the bhakti, once liberation is reached, there is not only no longer any suffering, but the relationship with God is so intimate, so friendly, so normal, that going forward becomes like the experience of a kid in a candy store, or like just going about one's daily business with our favorite Saint, Master, God or Goddess at our side, ready for any kind of interaction. it is really an amazing experience, yet completely normal. Yes, I love that ordinary extraordinariness! Maharishi has said that all paths find their fulfillment in liberation anyway, so regardless of the bus we boarded to get here, here we are! *lol* Yes -- no matter where we go... :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Press Release - Lynch Foundation withdrew grant to High School
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] I'm thinking that Lynch might need a Kaplan moment. ;-) Unhappy that he hasn't gotten that TM is a non-unique meditation technique yet? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Press Release - Lynch Foundation withdrew grant to High School
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for taking the time to clear things up, Gina. The way it looks to me, the conservative legal group got involved *as a result of the article*, not as part of some anti-TM hit. The desire on the part of some TMers to believe that they're the target of some huge conspiracy against them seems to me to be Just Another Desire To Be Important. :-) What you have described of the meeting itself bears out my original suspicions -- what did in the grant proposal was the TM movement's own history, its karma coming home to roost. No one would *have* to invent anything negative about them; all that is necessary is to say what they've done in the past, and leave it up to the imagination of the non-TMers as to whether they can be trusted not to do it again with a new generation of recruits. Don't gloat too loudly, Barry. IMagine if Swami Rama had tried this. Do you think it would have been a few parents who objected? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Press Release - Lynch Foundation withdrew grant to High School
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: [...] You have no idea how many people are learning TM at the new rates, do you? How WOULD you know? You're right. Let's look at it this way. The last active teacher in my part of the state was ME. I know all the other teachers here. No one has learned here in quite some time. Several meditators have died. So unless meditators are cloning themselves BTW, 80 and 100 miles away (in different directions) there are a few teachers. Haven't heard of anyone being taught. So none of the recertified teachers are teaching? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Union Sundown
Your daily dose of truth.Union Sundownby Bob DylanWell, my shoes, they comes from SingaporeMy flashlight's from TaiwanMy tablecloth's from MalayisiaMy belt buckle's from the AmazonYou know, this shirt I wear comes from the PhilippinesAnd the car I drive is a ChevroletIt was put together down in ArgentinaBy a guy making thirty cents a day.Well, it's sundown on the unionAnd what's made in the USASure was a good idea'Til greed got in the way.Well, this silk dress is from Hong KongAnd the pearls are from JapanWell, the dog collar's from IndiaAnd the flower pot's from PakistanAll the furniture it said "Made in Brazil"Where a woman, she slaved for sureBringing home thirty cents a day to a family of twelveYou know, that's a lot of money to her.Well, it's sundown on the unionAnd what's made in the USASure was a good idea'Til greed got in the way.Well, you know, lots of people complaining that there is no workI say, "Why you say that forWhen nothing you got is US made ?"They don't make nothing here no moreYou know, capitalism is above the lawIt say, "it don't count 'less it sells"When it costs too much to build it at homeYou just build it cheaper someplace else.Well, it's sundown on the unionAnd what's made in the USASure was a good idea'Til greed got in the way.Well, the job that you used to haveThey gave it to somebody down in El SalvadorThe unions are big business, friendAnd they're going out like a dinosaurThey used to grow food in Kansas Now they want to grow it on the moon and eat it rawI can see the day coming when even your home gardenIs gonna be against the law.Well, it's sundown on the unionAnd what's made in the USASure was a good idea'Til greed got in the way.Democracy don't rule the worldYou'd better get that in your headThis world is ruled by violenceBut I guess that's better left unsaidFrom Broadway to the Milky WayThat's a lot of territory indeedAnd a man's gonna do what he has to doWhen he's got a hungry mouth to feed.Well, it's sundown on the unionAnd what's made in the USASure was a good idea'Til greed got in the way. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Press Release - Lynch Foundation withdrew grant to High School
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are agreed on this. We are agreed, indeed. That's why I can't understand why you wrote that the $165,000 was a way to funnel it to the TMO. It seems that it was a way to get people to meditate that otherwise wouldn't have had he funneled it directly to the TMO without any conditions attached to it... The PR rap about the grant was that Lynch was going to give $175,000 *to the school*. That's bullshit, of course. The school gets $10,000; the rest goes to the TMO. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Press Release - Lynch Foundation withdrew grant to High School
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: The intent of our offer has always been to reduce the level of stress among students and staffwhich has been our experience with this program in schools all over the country, said Bob Roth, vice president of the David Lynch Foundation. We are disappointed to encounter such misunderstandings from a tiny but vocal religious minority. This is the point that it amazes me that several people here have missed, in their one-pointedness. This quote was made by the *TM* folks, not by the critics. *They* are claiming that the resistance to the grant came from a religious minority, when in fact it seemed to come primarily from former TMers. The most religious minority possible: fanatical exers... My guess is that the threat of a lawsuit by the fundies had more of an impact on killing the TM club than the vocal ex-TMers. http://tinyurl.com/yhxzza Sharing the chagrin of some Terra Linda parents over the TM club was the Pacific Justice Institute, a nonprofit legal group that often advocates for religion to play a greater role in public life. In this case, though, the group threatened to sue the high school over church-state boundaries. If it's religious in nature and it involves faculty, then you would have a problem, said Kevin Snider, chief counsel for the institute. ** http://www.adl.org/religion_ps_2004/facilities.asp May a teacher serve as an instructor in a religious club that meets at the school where the teacher works? In Wigg v. Sioux Falls School District, 70 the U. S. Court of Appeals for the Eighth Circuit recently found that an elementary school teacher could participate in a religious club meeting where she teaches. However, the decision is inconsistent with the U. S. Supreme Court's decision in Good News Club v. Milford Central School because it omitted discussion of the Supreme Court's finding that no perceived endorsement of religion occurred by allowing a religious club on campus because ... instructors [were] not school teachers. 71 Until the U. S. Supreme Court definitively answers this question, ADL strongly recommends that teachers not participate in religious clubs meeting in schools where they work. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Collapse of US-India nuke deal may be reason pundits admitted
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Press Release - Lynch Foundation withdrew grant to High School
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: We are agreed on this. We are agreed, indeed. That's why I can't understand why you wrote that the $165,000 was a way to funnel it to the TMO. It seems that it was a way to get people to meditate that otherwise wouldn't have had he funneled it directly to the TMO without any conditions attached to it... The PR rap about the grant was that Lynch was going to give $175,000 *to the school*. That's bullshit, of course. The school gets $10,000; the rest goes to the TMO. For instruction in TM.This is obvious, of course. Drunk again? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Question for Bob Brigante
Bob, Have you or have you considered applying to the Invincibility Course? If not, why? Is it because you can't make it or don't want to go? Or, if you would like to attend, would it be because you are afraid they wouldn't accept you because of your MUM website activities? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Press Release - Lynch Foundation withdrew grant to High School
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool fflmod@ wrote: This is the point that it amazes me that several people here have missed, in their one-pointedness. This quote was made by the *TM* folks, not by the critics. *They* are claiming that the resistance to the grant came from a religious minority, when in fact it seemed to come primarily from former TMers. This is exactly what I meant in my earlier post, TurquoiseB, that the TMO spokespeople are screaming out the loaded words religious minority, when the opposition is really from former TMers. Some readers seemed to think I meant otherwise. Yeah, I knew that's what you meant; I was just surprised (though I shouldn't have been) at the number of self-important paranoids here who preferred to believe that the Lynch grant (and thus, by extension, themselves) was the target of a well-orchestrated hit by Christian fundamentalists. Actually, there's some significant evidence that this is precisely what it was. We know of only two former TMers who participated in the protest; but we also know that a fundamentalist Christian legal organization took the side of the protesters. And how come you are not dealing with this point Turquiose B.? Is it becasue you are a fundamentalist anti-TM'r yourself, and cannot deall with rational and reason when it questions your conclusions. (Rhetorical Question). OffWorld To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Collapse of US-India nuke deal may be reason pundits admitted
Is there any independent confirmation that these visas are actually being issued at a rate of 50 per day, which means that over 500 would have been issed so far? Has anyone called the state department to ask if it's true that the US embassy on Dehli is in a state of high alert to process these 2000 visas asap? Anyone called their congressman/woman to inquire? Anyone from a newspaper like the FF Ledger called the state new department to see if your town is soon going to be the home of 2000 Indians ivnited to the the US to make it invincible,? It would be newsworthy don't you think? Any sign that there 500 pandits have now arrived two weeks after the date Lucy last announced their immanent arrival? Any bagpipe and elephant parades in the street of FF/Vedic City today to greet the pandits? Or tomorrow--500 pandits arriving for Diwali? Charlie Brown winds up for the kick . Keep your eye on the ball! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/117221 DOME MEETING, PUNDITS COMING OCT. 6, 2006 Just wanted to fill you in on the Maharishi call this morning which was themost touching, real, and promising ever. First of all, 50 pundits are getting a VISA each day and will be coming daily starting soon. 500 are in line to com in the next couple of weeks, all trained by Maharishi for Sidhis and Yagya performances around the clock. They will be staying in Vedic City, and new housing will be going up right away. Finally!!! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://geocities.com/bbrigante/updates2006.html#coh To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Press Release - Lynch Foundation withdrew grant to High School
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gimari03 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OKay, a quickie reponse, then I'm done. Just to explain the situation, as I saw it, for those interested. I attended alone. There was NOT a planned outcry/battle against this, to my knowledge. In fact, no debate nor conversation was tolerated. The high school made an announcement - I saw it in the paper. An informal informational meeting was being held about this new program funded by the DL foundation- with open invitation to interested parties. Since my kids graduated from the school, I was curious. The informal meeting was a slick roll out of a program. Seven well educated speakers came up to present benefits of TM-the-technique with extensive computer overheads by power point and video. They spoke w the standard smooth reassuring monotone. A few mintues were allowed for questions. One person asked about the puja or mantras. The MSAE headmaster at the podium dodged the question We have a proven method of instruction that is identical and personalized for each individual. The TLHS principal became uncomfortable with a few questions, she said there was nor more time for questions. I had a few questions also, was not allowed to ask. When it became clear that we were not allowed to ask anything, Susan C calmly walked onto the stage, past the principal and MSAE headmaster. She stood center stage and said I am a former TM teacher blah blah.. She said maybe two sentences. (I didn't know she lived here.) The principal called for security to remove her from the stage and the lights were dimmed. Someone else (a man I know w/o religious nor TM affiliation) yelled Allow her to talk! I tried to hush him. Another father yelled We didn't come to hear her. We came to hear them! pointing to the TMO folks. Then he added You don't have kids here anyway! What do you care?! My friend said Yeah! Well they (pointing to the TMO folks) don't have kids here either! (oi!) LOlso an ex-TM teacher was able to stop an initiative in a school in which she has no involvement. That is truly sick. We were all surprised about the press' spin of religious minority. Well thanks for your explanation Gina. It is possible that the TM-ex teacher is now a fundamentalist christian of some sort. Not for sure, but it is often the case in these intense interferences in other people's business. OffWorld That's all folks. Best to all! Gina --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool fflmod@ wrote: Same thing here. This quote was designed to make it look as if the Lynch grant was the victim of a hit when in fact it was the victim only of the TM movement's own history being revealed. This quote was designed to appeal to *TMers*, and to make them feel persecuted. Fascinating how many people here on this group fell for it. Also, I think it's important to look at the *response* from the Lynch Foundation. When con- fronted, they cut and run. An indicator to me that the only way they'll *ever* get a program like this accepted is to do it quietly and behind closed doors, so that no one can tell the buyers what it is that they're buying and who it is they're buying from. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Press Release - Lynch Foundation withdrew grant to High School
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Thanks for the update. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gimari03 no_reply@ wrote: snip Perhaps a right wing group was invovled behind the scenes. Perhaps not. There *was* a religious right-wing group involved behind the scenes; this was reported in one of the newspaper articles that was posted here. Whether they actually made a legal threat, I have no idea, but their involvement was an implicit threat, given that lawsuits is what they *do*. OK, I checked, and there *was* an explicit legal threat made by the fundie group. From the San Diego Union-Tribune: ...Others said they felt TM was too close to a religion and therefore should not be promoted as a student activity, leading a conservative legal organization to consider suing the school for violating the separation of church and state Sharing the chagrin of some Terra Linda parents over the TM club was the Pacific Justice Institute, a nonprofit legal group that often advocates for religion to play a greater role in public life. In this case, though, the group threatened to sue the high school over church- state boundaries. If it's religious in nature and it involves faculty, then you would have a problem, said Kevin Snider, chief counsel for the institute. MuthaFukin born-again retards try that in this part of the world and they will be labelled as junk DNA, torn apart, and fed to the birds. They do not have a leg to stand on legally. OffWorld http://tinyurl.com/yarwxq This was in one of the articles posted here, so let's all stop pretending the involvement of a fundie Christian group is a vile rumor started by TM's supporters, shall we? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Press Release - Lynch Foundation withdrew grant to High School
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for taking the time to clear things up, Gina. The way it looks to me, the conservative legal group got involved *as a result of the article*, not as part of some anti-TM hit. The desire on the part of some TMers to believe that they're the target of some huge conspiracy against them seems to me to be Just Another Desire To Be Important. :-) What you have described of the meeting itself bears out my original suspicions -- what did in the grant proposal was the TM movement's own history, its karma coming home to roost. No one would *have* to invent anything negative about them; all that is necessary is to say what they've done in the past, Such as? OffWorld and leave it up to the imagination of the non-TMers as to whether they can be trusted not to do it again with a new generation of recruits. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gimari03 no_reply@ wrote: OKay, a quickie reponse, then I'm done. Just to explain the situation, as I saw it, for those interested. I attended alone. There was NOT a planned outcry/battle against this, to my knowledge. In fact, no debate nor conversation was tolerated. The high school made an announcement - I saw it in the paper. An informal informational meeting was being held about this new program funded by the DL foundation- with open invitation to interested parties. Since my kids graduated from the school, I was curious. The informal meeting was a slick roll out of a program. Seven well educated speakers came up to present benefits of TM-the-technique with extensive computer overheads by power point and video. They spoke w the standard smooth reassuring monotone. A few mintues were allowed for questions. One person asked about the puja or mantras. The MSAE headmaster at the podium dodged the question We have a proven method of instruction that is identical and personalized for each individual. The TLHS principal became uncomfortable with a few questions, she said there was nor more time for questions. I had a few questions also, was not allowed to ask. When it became clear that we were not allowed to ask anything, Susan C calmly walked onto the stage, past the principal and MSAE headmaster. She stood center stage and said I am a former TM teacher blah blah.. She said maybe two sentences. (I didn't know she lived here.) The principal called for security to remove her from the stage and the lights were dimmed. Someone else (a man I know w/o religious nor TM affiliation) yelled Allow her to talk! I tried to hush him. Another father yelled We didn't come to hear her. We came to hear them! pointing to the TMO folks. Then he added You don't have kids here anyway! What do you care?! My friend said Yeah! Well they (pointing to the TMO folks) don't have kids here either! (oi!) Meeting ended. Some folks gathered to talk near the stage. Reporter was taking photos. I walked away and talked to a few folks in the back of the auditorium. There was no screaming and flailing of arms in protest of a normal debate at the high school. There was no normal debate nor civil question-and-answer allowed. It was like watching the two halves of my heart doing battle (my upbringing and loved ones in TMO vs my local community) Some parents were concerned about TMO's hidden agenda, as they had prior exposure to TMO decades ago. Newspaper article came out about someone storming the stage. A few days later I wrote my letter (as posted here). It was cc'd around. 48hrs later the DL foundation withdrew the grant. I don't know about right wing Christian legal threats (there might have been, or not, I do not know) The parents that I know were concerned about potential TMO hidden agenda. To my knowledge, no one spoke of religious conflict. IMHO, if a religious program claimed to be a religious program (e.g. a prayer group) then fine. The TMOs hidden agenda was the concern. We were all surprised about the press' spin of religious minority. I don't know what religious affiliation, if any, other parents have. Perhaps a right wing group was invovled behind the scenes. Perhaps not. Again, I don't know. Just wanted to inform my hometown-of-sorts. Otherwise, I have more pressing issues in my life. That's all folks. Best to all! Gina --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool fflmod@ wrote: Same thing here. This quote was designed to make it look as if the Lynch grant was the victim of a hit when in fact it was the victim only of the TM movement's own history being revealed. This quote was designed to appeal to *TMers*,
[FairfieldLife] Re: Press Release - Lynch Foundation withdrew grant to High School
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gimari03 no_reply@ wrote: OKay, a quickie reponse, then I'm done. Just to explain the situation, as I saw it, for those interested. snip Susan C calmly walked onto the stage, past the principal and MSAE headmaster. She stood center stage and said I am a former TM teacher blah blah.. She said maybe two sentences. (I didn't know she lived here.) snip From the local NBC11.com website: Parent Susan Crittendon [the Susan C. referenced above] said the group has raised some concerns. Its the beginning of a whole new philosophy of life. They work by putting people in trances, and when you're in a trance you're more suggestible, parent Susan Crittendon. ROTFLMFAO ! ! ! Put me in a trance man, then make me suggestible...OOOoo. Stupid fvcks. Put me on the news and then let these assholes say that I am suggestible. They will look like the retards they are as soon as they open their mouths and let their poorly functioning brains drivel out the moronic BS that they are able to make up outside of their AA sessions. OffWorld --I've been doing TM for almost 31 years, and I'm still waiting for the trance to kick in. Can anyone please explain to me how the trance part is accomplished? I must be 'off the program'... PS from a poll on the NBC11 website: Would you allow your child to take trancendental meditation? Choice Votes Percentage of 184 Votes Yes, I think it is harmless. 60 33% Yes, it sounds pretty interesting. 58 32% Maybe, I'd want to know more about it. 25 14% No, it's too wacky. 13 7% No, it's a waste of money and time. 28 15% To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Press Release - Lynch Foundation withdrew grant to High School
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool fflmod@ wrote: This is the point that it amazes me that several people here have missed, in their one-pointedness. This quote was made by the *TM* folks, not by the critics. *They* are claiming that the resistance to the grant came from a religious minority, when in fact it seemed to come primarily from former TMers. This is exactly what I meant in my earlier post, TurquoiseB, that the TMO spokespeople are screaming out the loaded words religious minority, when the opposition is really from former TMers. Some readers seemed to think I meant otherwise. Yeah, I knew that's what you meant; I was just surprised (though I shouldn't have been) at the number of self-important paranoids here who preferred to believe that the Lynch grant (and thus, by extension, themselves) was the target of a well-orchestrated hit by Christian fundamentalists. Actually, there's some significant evidence that this is precisely what it was. We know of only two former TMers who participated in the protest; but we also know that a fundamentalist Christian legal organization took the side of the protesters. And how come you are not dealing with this point Turquiose B.? Because it's easier and more fun for Barry to ignore reality, sling idiotic troll bait, and project his own massive self-importance on to others. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Press Release - Lynch Foundation withdrew grant to High School
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool fflmod@ wrote: This is the point that it amazes me that several people here have missed, in their one-pointedness. This quote was made by the *TM* folks, not by the critics. *They* are claiming that the resistance to the grant came from a religious minority, when in fact it seemed to come primarily from former TMers. This is exactly what I meant in my earlier post, TurquoiseB, that the TMO spokespeople are screaming out the loaded words religious minority, when the opposition is really from former TMers. Some readers seemed to think I meant otherwise. Yeah, I knew that's what you meant; I was just surprised (though I shouldn't have been) at the number of self-important paranoids here who preferred to believe that the Lynch grant (and thus, by extension, themselves) was the target of a well-orchestrated hit by Christian fundamentalists. Actually, there's some significant evidence that this is precisely what it was. We know of only two former TMers who participated in the protest; but we also know that a fundamentalist Christian legal organization took the side of the protesters. And how come you are not dealing with this point Turquiose B.? Is it becasue you are a fundamentalist anti-TM'r yourself, and cannot deall with rational and reason when it questions your conclusions. (Rhetorical Question). Barry long ago decided that he was far too spiritually superior to be held accountable for anything he says. Accountability is for the unevolved, not the elite like Barry. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Press Release - Lynch Foundation withdrew grant to High School
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gimari03 no_reply@ wrote: OKay, a quickie reponse, then I'm done. Just to explain the situation, as I saw it, for those interested. snip Susan C calmly walked onto the stage, past the principal and MSAE headmaster. She stood center stage and said I am a former TM teacher blah blah.. She said maybe two sentences. (I didn't know she lived here.) snip From the local NBC11.com website: Parent Susan Crittendon [the Susan C. referenced above] said the group has raised some concerns. Its the beginning of a whole new philosophy of life. They work by putting people in trances, and when you're in a trance you're more suggestible, parent Susan Crittendon. --I've been doing TM for almost 31 years, and I'm still waiting for the trance to kick in. Can anyone please explain to me how the trance part is accomplished? I must be 'off the program'... PS from a poll on the NBC11 website: Would you allow your child to take trancendental meditation? Choice Votes Percentage of 184 Votes Yes, I think it is harmless. 60 33% Yes, it sounds pretty interesting. 58 32% That's VERY positive! 65% are predisposed to TM DESPITE the negativity of the school program episode. It just shows that people ARE seekers...they are, indeed, desparate for something like TM. Good point Why the f**k do we have to charge $2,500 for it? Charge $75 and people will flock to us...AND they'll be so blown away that the money that they would donate as a result (all we'd have to do is ask) would probably end up being many times MORE than the $2,500 that each would pay... Good point OffWorld To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Press Release - Lynch Foundation withdrew grant to High School
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: My guess is that the threat of a lawsuit by the fundies had more of an impact on killing the TM club than the vocal ex-TMers. I think you're probably correct. They (the Lynch Foundation) was afraid of having a precedent set. As noble as Mr. Lynch's intent is to help enable more people to learn TM, I can't help but think that his solution is ignoring the fundamental problem -- the price is too damned high. As far as I can tell, this $175,000 grant to the school system is just a disguise for funneling $165,000 of it ($600 per person instructed) directly to the TMO, That sounds very sinister. It's the reality of the situation. As I understand the grant, the school system gets to keep only $10,000. All the rest of the money goes to the TMO. If Mr. Lynch wanted to funnel $165,000 to the TMO, he could have done it by just writing the TMO a check for that amount. He would have gotten virtually the same tax benefit either by giving the money to his foundation first (as he did) and then having the foundation pay for the instructions or originally giving the money to the TMO. Yes, but then 275 people would not have learned to meditate. I believe that David Lynch honestly wants *that* to be the effect that giving away his money has on the world. I also believe that he's hip enough to know that if he gave the money to the TMO that *no one new* would start TM as a result. They'd piss it away on some building or some new bagpipes for the Rajas or send it to India where it would disappear into the pockets of Maharishi's relatives. So he's doing what he can to try to get the TMO to focus on what it should have been focusing on all along -- teaching TM. I believe the reason he is doing everything through his foundation -- as we've discussed here before -- is that he wants more control of his own money. We are agreed on this. I'm thinking that Lynch might need a Kaplan moment. ;-) Lol, you made me laugh. Kaplan is a successful businessman who discovered that that brings him no happiness, and that he is very unhappy because he has not much creative soul (this is easy to see for the perceptive. It is kinda sad in a way to see it, but artists can percieve that in many businessmen types)...just business, and unresolved issues about his father ( he told me so ). Lynch on the other hand is an artisitc genius who lives in a world of intense love that he is forced to create the light and the dark and the love that makes them, and known throughout the world as one of the most influential filmakers of the late 20th century. OffWorld To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Press Release - Lynch Foundation withdrew grant to High School
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Thanks for taking the time to clear things up, Gina. The way it looks to me, the conservative legal group got involved *as a result of the article*, not as part of some anti-TM hit. The desire on the part of some TMers to believe that they're the target of some huge conspiracy against them seems to me to be Just Another Desire To Be Important. :-) What you have described of the meeting itself bears out my original suspicions -- what did in the grant proposal was the TM movement's own history, its karma coming home to roost. No one would *have* to invent anything negative about them; all that is necessary is to say what they've done in the past, and leave it up to the imagination of the non-TMers as to whether they can be trusted not to do it again with a new generation of recruits. Don't gloat too loudly, Barry. IMagine if Swami Rama had tried this. Do you think it would have been a few parents who objected? And imagine if Barry had tried it. Parents would be grabbing their children and hunkering down in the basement with bars on the windows and doors until it all blows over. OffWorld To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Press Release - Lynch Foundation withdrew grant to High School
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: We are agreed on this. We are agreed, indeed. That's why I can't understand why you wrote that the $165,000 was a way to funnel it to the TMO. It seems that it was a way to get people to meditate that otherwise wouldn't have had he funneled it directly to the TMO without any conditions attached to it... The PR rap about the grant was that Lynch was going to give $175,000 *to the school*. That's bullshit, of course. The school gets $10,000; the rest goes to the TMO. Total Bullshit Barry. You would be the first to complain if the intiative did not have proper follow up and long-term guidance and objective study. If someone donates a the cost of a study-abroad program to a school do you really think that the school principal is wringing his hands going OOOooo, all the more money for us? No, the money goes mostly to the cost of implementing the program. OffWorld To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Press Release - Lynch Foundation withdrew grant to High School
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool fflmod@ wrote: This is the point that it amazes me that several people here have missed, in their one-pointedness. This quote was made by the *TM* folks, not by the critics. *They* are claiming that the resistance to the grant came from a religious minority, when in fact it seemed to come primarily from former TMers. This is exactly what I meant in my earlier post, TurquoiseB, that the TMO spokespeople are screaming out the loaded words religious minority, when the opposition is really from former TMers. Some readers seemed to think I meant otherwise. Yeah, I knew that's what you meant; I was just surprised (though I shouldn't have been) at the number of self-important paranoids here who preferred to believe that the Lynch grant (and thus, by extension, themselves) was the target of a well-orchestrated hit by Christian fundamentalists. Actually, there's some significant evidence that this is precisely what it was. We know of only two former TMers who participated in the protest; but we also know that a fundamentalist Christian legal organization took the side of the protesters. And how come you are not dealing with this point Turquiose B.? Because it's easier and more fun for Barry to ignore reality, sling idiotic troll bait, and project his own massive self-importance on to others. Then hit the bottle. ( I heard the prime-minister of France is auctioning off thousands of bottles of 1982 wine bought by Mitterand when he was Mayor of Paris (where Barry lives on the streets.) Unfortunately Barry will not be able to tell us what is is like, since he only goes for the cheapo vinocollapso. ...:-) OffWorld To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Collapse of US-India nuke deal may be reason pundits admitted
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hermandan0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there any independent confirmation that these visas are actually being issued at a rate of 50 per day, which means that over 500 would have been issed so far? Seems unlikely. But it is raining a hell of a lot here in a rather uncanny almost biblical way, and that often seems to co-incide with a change in consciousness of some sort. Something is going on (and the Bushtards are dropping like the fvkin' dried up leaches that they are), that is all I can say. OffWorld To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Press Release - Lynch Foundation withdrew grant to High School
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gimari03 no_reply@ wrote: OKay, a quickie reponse, then I'm done. Just to explain the situation, as I saw it, for those interested. snip Susan C calmly walked onto the stage, past the principal and MSAE headmaster. She stood center stage and said I am a former TM teacher blah blah.. She said maybe two sentences. (I didn't know she lived here.) snip From the local NBC11.com website: Parent Susan Crittendon [the Susan C. referenced above] said the group has raised some concerns. Its the beginning of a whole new philosophy of life. They work by putting people in trances, and when you're in a trance you're more suggestible, parent Susan Crittendon. ROTFLMFAO ! ! ! Put me in a trance man, then make me suggestible...OOOoo. Stupid fvcks. Put me on the news and then let these assholes say that I am suggestible. They will look like the retards they are as soon as they open their mouths and let their poorly functioning brains drivel out the moronic BS that they are able to make up outside of their AA sessions. I think they got their talking points from this site: http://suggestibility.org/whatIsTmLongStepsOfInit.htm To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question for Bob Brigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bob, Have you or have you considered applying to the Invincibility Course? If not, why? Is it because you can't make it or don't want to go? Or, if you would like to attend, would it be because you are afraid they wouldn't accept you because of your MUM website activities? Just as a joke, I submitted my name at the inv.am website. My chances: slim, and none, and slim just left town, as LB found out...I intend to retire to FF in 2008 when I get my social security check (small town rents are low enough that you can easily live on a ss check), I really could care less if I have the goodwill of the TMO or not. I'm having good experiences in meditation now, and will move back to FF in two years because I have more profound experiences in FF. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Press Release - Lynch Foundation withdrew grant to High School
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gimari03 no_reply@ wrote: OKay, a quickie reponse, then I'm done. Just to explain the situation, as I saw it, for those interested. snip Susan C calmly walked onto the stage, past the principal and MSAE headmaster. She stood center stage and said I am a former TM teacher blah blah.. She said maybe two sentences. (I didn't know she lived here.) snip From the local NBC11.com website: Parent Susan Crittendon [the Susan C. referenced above] said the group has raised some concerns. Its the beginning of a whole new philosophy of life. They work by putting people in trances, and when you're in a trance you're more suggestible, parent Susan Crittendon. --I've been doing TM for almost 31 years, and I'm still waiting for the trance to kick in. Can anyone please explain to me how the trance part is accomplished? I must be 'off the program'... I missed this part. Very funny stuff Jim. I am still waiting for the trance to come. I feel I have been wasting my time for 25 years, since I am not yet in a trance. It pisses me off ! I mean, why has all that suggestibility not worked for me. Fvck it. I am going to sue somemuthafucka, if I don't get results in the trance and suggestibiliy part soon. ( born-again christians will be the first to be tied up in court with me until they fvcking drop like the dried up leaches that they are ! ) luv and peace Offworld To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Press Release - Lynch Foundation withdrew grant to High School
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gimari03 no_reply@ wrote: OKay, a quickie reponse, then I'm done. Just to explain the situation, as I saw it, for those interested. snip Susan C calmly walked onto the stage, past the principal and MSAE headmaster. She stood center stage and said I am a former TM teacher blah blah.. She said maybe two sentences. (I didn't know she lived here.) snip From the local NBC11.com website: Parent Susan Crittendon [the Susan C. referenced above] said the group has raised some concerns. Its the beginning of a whole new philosophy of life. They work by putting people in trances, and when you're in a trance you're more suggestible, parent Susan Crittendon. ROTFLMFAO ! ! ! Put me in a trance man, then make me suggestible...OOOoo. Stupid fvcks. Put me on the news and then let these assholes say that I am suggestible. They will look like the retards they are as soon as they open their mouths and let their poorly functioning brains drivel out the moronic BS that they are able to make up outside of their AA sessions. I think they got their talking points from this site: http://suggestibility.org/whatIsTmLongStepsOfInit.htm Lol! ... that bong is funny. I toked a bit in college, 25 years ago, to be sociable, but I never really understood what the hippies I lived with meant by a bong. Now in my town there is an awesome tea-shop called the Chai shop, where people sit outside smoking bongs. I still cannot make sense of it all 25 years later. OffWorld To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Oil, oil, and more oil
Geologist: Earth has lots and lots of oil SPOKANE, Wash., Oct. 20 (UPI) -- A University of Washington economic geologist says there is lots of crude oil left for human use. Eric Cheney said Friday in a news release that changing economics, technological advances and efforts such as recycling and substitution make the world's mineral resources virtually infinite. For instance, oil deposits unreachable 40 years ago can be tapped using improved technology, and oil once too costly to extract from tar sands, organic matter or coal is now worth manufacturing. Though some resources might be costlier now, they still are needed. The most common question I get is, 'When are we going to run out of oil?' The correct response is, 'Never,' said Cheney. It might be a heck of a lot more expensive than it is now, but there will always be some oil available at a price, perhaps $10 to $100 a gallon. Cheney also said that gasoline prices today, adjusted for inflation, are about what they were in the early part of the last century. Current prices seem inordinately high, he said, because crude oil was at an extremely low price, $10 a barrel, eight years ago and now fetches around $58 a barrel. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Oil, oil, and more oil
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Geologist: Earth has lots and lots of oil But not much Ozone. http://tinyurl.com/ymr9en OffWorld To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Oil, oil, and more oil
I heard a scientist on George Norrey's Coast to Coast radio show say that he believed the earth's production of oil is a natural fermentation/distillation process from the inner layers of the planet. He didn't believe that oil came from dinosaurs or petrified materials left over from ancient history. This makes sense to me since many of the big oil finds, ie.., the Guld of Mexico never had these historical remains. And for this reason, he also believed that we have an infinite resourse of oil. Mark Von Trumpledorf III --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Geologist: Earth has lots and lots of oil SPOKANE, Wash., Oct. 20 (UPI) -- A University of Washington economic geologist says there is lots of crude oil left for human use. Eric Cheney said Friday in a news release that changing economics, technological advances and efforts such as recycling and substitution make the world's mineral resources virtually infinite. For instance, oil deposits unreachable 40 years ago can be tapped using improved technology, and oil once too costly to extract from tar sands, organic matter or coal is now worth manufacturing. Though some resources might be costlier now, they still are needed. The most common question I get is, 'When are we going to run out of oil?' The correct response is, 'Never,' said Cheney. It might be a heck of a lot more expensive than it is now, but there will always be some oil available at a price, perhaps $10 to $100 a gallon. Cheney also said that gasoline prices today, adjusted for inflation, are about what they were in the early part of the last century. Current prices seem inordinately high, he said, because crude oil was at an extremely low price, $10 a barrel, eight years ago and now fetches around $58 a barrel. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question for Bob Brigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: Bob, Have you or have you considered applying to the Invincibility Course? If not, why? Is it because you can't make it or don't want to go? Or, if you would like to attend, would it be because you are afraid they wouldn't accept you because of your MUM website activities? Just as a joke, I submitted my name at the inv.am website. My chances: slim, and none, and slim just left town, as LB found out...I intend to retire to FF in 2008 when I get my social security check (small town rents are low enough that you can easily live on a ss check), I really could care less if I have the goodwill of the TMO or not. I'm having good experiences in meditation now, and will move back to FF in two years because I have more profound experiences in FF. Thanks for the answersplease keep us informed as to the TMO's response to the application. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Oil, oil, and more oil
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: Geologist: Earth has lots and lots of oil But not much Ozone. http://tinyurl.com/ymr9en OffWorld But my car doesn't run on ozone, it runs on gas. How much is a barrel of ozone going for? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Oil, oil, and more oil
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, suziezuzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I heard a scientist on George Norrey's Coast to Coast radio show say that he believed the earth's production of oil is a natural fermentation/distillation process from the inner layers of the planet. He didn't believe that oil came from dinosaurs or petrified materials left over from ancient history. This makes sense to me since many of the big oil finds, ie.., the Guld of Mexico never had these historical remains. And for this reason, he also believed that we have an infinite resourse of oil. Mark Von Trumpledorf III Jesus put the oil in the ground for us to find, exploit and enjoy...just as he did the cows, pigs and chickens. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: Geologist: Earth has lots and lots of oil SPOKANE, Wash., Oct. 20 (UPI) -- A University of Washington economic geologist says there is lots of crude oil left for human use. Eric Cheney said Friday in a news release that changing economics, technological advances and efforts such as recycling and substitution make the world's mineral resources virtually infinite. For instance, oil deposits unreachable 40 years ago can be tapped using improved technology, and oil once too costly to extract from tar sands, organic matter or coal is now worth manufacturing. Though some resources might be costlier now, they still are needed. The most common question I get is, 'When are we going to run out of oil?' The correct response is, 'Never,' said Cheney. It might be a heck of a lot more expensive than it is now, but there will always be some oil available at a price, perhaps $10 to $100 a gallon. Cheney also said that gasoline prices today, adjusted for inflation, are about what they were in the early part of the last century. Current prices seem inordinately high, he said, because crude oil was at an extremely low price, $10 a barrel, eight years ago and now fetches around $58 a barrel. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Oil, oil, and more oil
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: Geologist: Earth has lots and lots of oil But not much Ozone. http://tinyurl.com/ymr9en OffWorld But my car doesn't run on ozone, No, but your mouth does. And soon you will have to breathe in fire. Enjoy the fire in your lungs redneck. OffWorld To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Oil, oil, and more oil
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: Geologist: Earth has lots and lots of oil But not much Ozone. http://tinyurl.com/ymr9en OffWorld But my car doesn't run on ozone, No, but your mouth does. And soon you will have to breathe in fire. Enjoy the fire in your lungs redneck. OffWorld Perhaps you're not aware of how American idiom works but redneck is more applicable to people who hurl insults rather than to people who present opposing views to your own. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oil, oil, and more oil
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: But my car doesn't run on ozone, No, but your mouth does. Quote of the week. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Press Release - Lynch Foundation withdrew grant to High School
Like when? Like a few days after 9/11. Ask Rick. --- off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I for one want to see you answer this question gulliblefool, (and Turq too) According to their website, the Pacific Justice Foundation is not a collection of fundies, but rather a legal defense organization dedicated to working for religious freedom. http://www.pacificjustice.org/aboutus/ I don't know what their position was in this case, or why. Perhaps a few ex-TMers explained to them the TMO's past history with interfering with its followers religious and spiritual practices Like when? OffWorld To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Oil, oil, and more oil
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: Geologist: Earth has lots and lots of oil But not much Ozone. http://tinyurl.com/ymr9en OffWorld But my car doesn't run on ozone, No, but your mouth does. And soon you will have to breathe in fire. Enjoy the fire in your lungs redneck. OffWorld Perhaps you're not aware of how American idiom works but redneck is more applicable to people who hurl insults rather than to people who present opposing views to your own. No redneck means ignorant republican that thinks his car is more important than the air he breathes. THATis the definition of a redneck. You fit it perfectly. OffWorld To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Press Release - Lynch Foundation withdrew grant to High School
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Like when? Like a few days after 9/11. Ask Rick. Lolgood one. Rick and his hard cold facts eh? OffWorld --- off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool fflmod@ wrote: I for one want to see you answer this question gulliblefool, (and Turq too) According to their website, the Pacific Justice Foundation is not a collection of fundies, but rather a legal defense organization dedicated to working for religious freedom. http://www.pacificjustice.org/aboutus/ I don't know what their position was in this case, or why. Perhaps a few ex-TMers explained to them the TMO's past history with interfering with its followers religious and spiritual practices Like when? OffWorld To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Oil, oil, and more oil
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: But my car doesn't run on ozone, No, but your mouth does. Quote of the week. Com'n, Salvatore, tha's not very lady like of you, is it? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Oil, oil, and more oil
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: Geologist: Earth has lots and lots of oil But not much Ozone. http://tinyurl.com/ymr9en OffWorld But my car doesn't run on ozone, No, but your mouth does. And soon you will have to breathe in fire. Enjoy the fire in your lungs redneck. OffWorld Perhaps you're not aware of how American idiom works but redneck is more applicable to people who hurl insults rather than to people who present opposing views to your own. No redneck means ignorant republican that thinks his car is more important than the air he breathes. THATis the definition of a redneck. You fit it perfectly. OffWorld I can hear your head explode in anger, frustration, and high blood pressure here, 3,000 miles away from Vermont. Dude, calmez-vous. Relax. Take a valium. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oil, oil, and more oil
In a message dated 10/20/06 10:21:35 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Perhaps you're not aware of how American idiom works but "redneck" is more applicable to people who hurl insults rather than to people who present opposing views to your own.No "redneck" means ignorant republican that thinks his car is more important than the air he breathes. THATis the definition of a redneck. You fit it perfectly.OffWorld And an ignorant democrat that thinks his Lincoln town car is more important than the air he breaths is a ? Naa, that isn't politically correct. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Oil, oil, and more oil
shempmcgurk wrote: Geologist: Earth has lots and lots of oil SPOKANE, Wash., Oct. 20 (UPI) -- A University of Washington economic geologist says there is lots of crude oil left for human use. Eric Cheney said Friday in a news release that changing economics, technological advances and efforts such as recycling and substitution make the world's mineral resources virtually infinite. For instance, oil deposits unreachable 40 years ago can be tapped using improved technology, and oil once too costly to extract from tar sands, organic matter or coal is now worth manufacturing. Though some resources might be costlier now, they still are needed. The most common question I get is, 'When are we going to run out of oil?' The correct response is, 'Never,' said Cheney. It might be a heck of a lot more expensive than it is now, but there will always be some oil available at a price, perhaps $10 to $100 a gallon. Cheney also said that gasoline prices today, adjusted for inflation, are about what they were in the early part of the last century. Current prices seem inordinately high, he said, because crude oil was at an extremely low price, $10 a barrel, eight years ago and now fetches around $58 a barrel. Yup, oil for the rich and misery for the poor. Dick Cheney's world for ya. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
