[FairfieldLife] The two models
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Barry writes snipped: And again, you are assuming the unenlightened model, which believes that progress *has* to be made towards enlightenment. If you shift to another equally accurate model and description of the process -- that everyone is always already enlightened and that the *only* thing that marks enlightenment is a realization of what has always already been going on -- then there is no progress possible. TomT: The reason it is called ignorance is that one actually is able to ignore that which they always have been and will always be. It is not called stupid or smart or arrogant or gratuitous or a lie it is called IGNORANCE. Name and form. For those who have had a realization experience, whether it be temporary or permanent, the always already enlightened model is just so much more *accurate*. It's *obvious* when it happens that there was never anywhere to go, nothing to become, no stress to get rid of, no moment at which you were ever unenlightened. Enlightenment is, has always been, and will always be; the only thing lacking up til now has been the realization of what should have been obvious. As Tom suggests, the being who has considered himself unenlightened has just been being IGNORANT of what's been right in his face since the day he was born. So I've always wondered WHY spiritual teachers went for that *other* model, the *inaccurate* one. You know the one -- the one that says that there are things you have to do to become enlight- ened, that there are obstacles like stress that can prevent enlightenment, that one can ever be unenlightened. Why not do what Ramana Maharshi and a few other teachers did and just TELL THE TRUTH from Day One: You're enlightened. Right here, right now. GET OVER all this 'unenlightened' stuff already. :-) As far as I can tell, the entire TM model for the enlightenment process is a LIE. Worse, it is a *known* lie, because Maharishi has at times written eloquently about the other model, the always already enlightened model. So he *chose* to tell people that they were unenlightened, and would remain unenlightened until certain undefined conditions were met. He chose to *reinforce* the ignorance rather than dispel it. WHY, one wonders?
[FairfieldLife] Washoe County of Nevada observes Sanskrit Day.
The Washoe County of Nevada observed Jan 12 as Sanskrit Day .Here is the report : http://tinyurl.com/ypx5vd http://in.news.yahoo.com/ani/20080110/r_t_ani_wl_intl/twl-american-county-proclaims-january-12-7da97d8.html Washoe County of Nevada has proclaimed January 12 as Sanskrit Day.A proclamation signed by Robert M. Larkin, Chairman of Washoe County Commission, under the Seal of Washoe County, says, PROCLAIMED, That Washoe County recognizes the importance of the Sanskrit language and January 12, 2008 as Sanskrit Day. This proclamation is to coincide with two-day Sanskrit language seminar-cum-class, first of its type in the state, organized by prominent Hindu chaplain and Indo-American leader, Rajan Zed, here on January 12-13 next, in which about 50 people are expected to participate. This Washoe County proclamation quotes Mahatma Gandhi as saying Without the study of Sanskrit, one cannot become a true learned man. It further says, As Hinduism expands in the West, it is important that to understand Hinduism, one should have a working knowledge of Sanskrit. The Vedas, written in Sanskrit, are dated by different scholars from 6500 BCE to 1500 BCE. Sanskrit language must have evolved to its expressive capability prior to that. Besides Hindu scriptures, a vast amount of Buddhist and Jain scriptures were also written in Sanskrit. According to tradition, self-born God created Sanskrit, which is everlasting and divine. First scripture of the world, Rig-Veda, was written in Sanskrit. Many Sanskrit works are still to be translated. Sanskrit has a close relationship with other classical languages like Latin, Greek, French, German, etc. Famed German philologist Max Muller once said, Sanskrit is the greatest language of the world. In America, scholar William D. Whitney wrote the Sanskrit Grammar in 1879. Sanskrit is also known as the language of the gods. - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
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I know Nenad, he is ok guy, I think he send his profile because most of the people on this forum are hiding... it is not comfortable to talk with someone who doesn't want to show up his face. I think that is the reason why people allow themselves to say something what usually would not.
Re: [FairfieldLife] The two models
On Jan 31, 2008, at 3:38 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Barry writes snipped: And again, you are assuming the unenlightened model, which believes that progress *has* to be made towards enlightenment. If you shift to another equally accurate model and description of the process -- that everyone is always already enlightened and that the *only* thing that marks enlightenment is a realization of what has always already been going on -- then there is no progress possible. TomT: The reason it is called ignorance is that one actually is able to ignore that which they always have been and will always be. It is not called stupid or smart or arrogant or gratuitous or a lie it is called IGNORANCE. Name and form. For those who have had a realization experience, whether it be temporary or permanent, the always already enlightened model is just so much more *accurate*. Yes, but even in sudden paths to E, relative obscurations will remain. That's not to say that an individual cannot go from total ignorance to complete enlightenment in a flash, but it is extremely rare and has happened to maybe a handful of people in history. And also, the world is filled with people (esp. nowadays it would seem) who claim to be enlightened or had some total awakening but may actually be in something else. Unless you have a person, a standard really, who can verify that experience, it actually has little meaning. More often than not students will mistake any number of well known sidetracks as the Big E. Even when one does authentically have a non-conventional experience of our Natural State, on still is on a path, just one where it is a pathless path, as obscurations do still remain. It's *obvious* when it happens that there was never anywhere to go, nothing to become, no stress to get rid of, no moment at which you were ever unenlightened. Enlightenment is, has always been, and will always be; the only thing lacking up til now has been the realization of what should have been obvious. As Tom suggests, the being who has considered himself unenlightened has just been being IGNORANT of what's been right in his face since the day he was born. So I've always wondered WHY spiritual teachers went for that *other* model, the *inaccurate* one. Because different people have different propensities and different dispositions. Most people need some sort of support or training wheels to begin to let go of their identifications. You know the one -- the one that says that there are things you have to do to become enlight- ened, that there are obstacles like stress that can prevent enlightenment, that one can ever be unenlightened. Why not do what Ramana Maharshi and a few other teachers did and just TELL THE TRUTH from Day One: You're enlightened. Right here, right now. GET OVER all this 'unenlightened' stuff already. :-) Ramana actually himself spent years in all sorts of absorptions before he had his sudden realization (same with Nisargadatta, a Nath who has mastered kundalini and yoga first). He also taught his students based on where they're at, not a one size fits' all approach. As far as I can tell, the entire TM model for the enlightenment process is a LIE. Worse, it is a *known* lie, because Maharishi has at times written eloquently about the other model, the always already enlightened model. So he *chose* to tell people that they were unenlightened, and would remain unenlightened until certain undefined conditions were met. He chose to *reinforce* the ignorance rather than dispel it. WHY, one wonders? Ignorance sells? :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Veterans of Life
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, that's told very special. Thanks, is a great story. I showed it around my household and everyone was blown away in turn. What life does bring. What a great story of courage. That was only 60 years ago all that happened. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0HVg1kCpxU I `ve, always liked good real stories. Good real moral character type stories. Stories where stands gets made on moral grounds of virtue. Stories that show a virtuous presence of mind that has resolute a nature in life. In human life often we are not called on to make hard or extraordinary choices and often the good stories of life are those where people stand out or stand in front of something by moral force. By something of moral human character inside. Good stories often turn on a presence of mind that has someone stand resolved. Well told stories do tell what someone was thinking or doing `walking in those shoes' and sometimes a good story just helps you stand where someone stood for a moment. I liked the story about your parents as it is told. It is a good story. Different than just animal fight or flight, people can have their character of a soul to account for. How that gets accounted for often makes story. Your parents story is a great modern one. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/162641 Jai, -Doug in FF Marek Reavis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks, Doug, it's been lucky for me and my brother and sister that our folks have shared their memories as thoroughly as they have, and that they're still available to resource despite their age. It's impossible to imagine the hardships and violence that so many people in the 20th C. endured; I can't, at least. The folks you mention below, and my folks, are incredibly resistant individuals, people of true character. We've been lucky to know them. Marek Doug writing: I remember an obituary last year published in the FF Ledger for Harriet Berman's mother here. It was written in a common way, that she was fun and a great game player and active in her later life and such. The un-expanded part of the obituary was that she grew up Jewish, in 1930's occupied Poland. I wondered then if the family had her story as she saw it. Her MSAE grandson from FF then has now become a professional journalist elsewhere, I wondered then if he had collected it or if it had come to be too late. There seemed to be an untold character story in the obituary. Certainly some veterans of those times only wish to go on in life putting it behind them in their privacy. That generation is passing fast now. My wife's dad was with the first army medical unit to arrive at Dachau as US troops arrived and found it. He has a scrap book with photos and articles about it from then. But now his own memory is rickety and about all gone. At Revelations used bookstore here a while back I bought a used book about all the concentration and work camps of Nazi Germany, in real nice shape that had clippings from the war carefully folded in to the book. Evidently from someone's (from around here?) estate or collection who seems to have been there. In town here we have a kind old guy who as a skilled handy-man takes care of appliances. As a boy he was displaced with his mother and brother from East Prussian farming districts that were emptied of all civilians as the Russian army came in that way against the Germans during the war. They traveled about as displaced civilians trying to connect with their family's father who had been conscripted in to the German army and sent down to Austria. As the war narrowed down, like with this other story they were separated by the lines of occupation and it was quick heads-up thinking in hand-changing destinations on travel documents that got them from the Russian occupied side over to the American occupied side where the dad was later in the war. I am telling his story to you in writing this but even in doing that I have left out a lot of viseral texture to the way he told it to me directly. My dad had his stories from then too. He is gone now and the liveliness of those stories with him. I remember some of them but not the way he told them. -Doug in FF Marek Reavis reavismarek@ wrote: Yeah, Curtis, my folks; the back stories are equally interesting. And as you can see, the red wine (and the vodka) apparently haven't diminished their capacities too much. It's just a life and every life is a story that each one of us has the opportunity to enrich every day. I always appreciate the stories shared on this forum with a community I feel so lucky to be a member of. Marek ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In
[FairfieldLife] Lovely ABC News article: Maharishi Retreats Into Silence
http://abcnews.go.com/ The Beatles, from left to right: John Lennon, Paul McCartney, Ringo Starr and George Harrison, join the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, center, as they arrive by train at Bangor, Wales, United Kingdom, to participate in a weekend of meditation, on this Aug. 26, 1967 file photo. After more than 50 years at the helm of his Transcendental Meditation movement, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, the ageing Indian guru to stars like the Beatles, has retreated into near silence and turned over the day-to-day running of his global network to senior aides, a close adviser said Tuesday, Jan. 29, 2008. Maharishi Retreats Into Silence Indian Guru to the Beatles Retreats Into Silence, Gives Up Control of Meditation Movement By MIKE CORDER The Associated Press THE HAGUE, Netherlands January 29, 2008 It was 1967 and the Indian meditation guru Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, dressed in white with long flowing black hair and a gray beard, beamed as he stood surrounded by four smiling young Beatles at the peak of their popularity. George Harrison, clutching a sitar, John Lennon, Paul McCartney and Ringo Starr were on their way to a retreat in Wales led by the Maharishi, and the Hindu holy man was on his way to worldwide fame. It has been more than 50 years since the Maharishi began teaching a technique known as Transcendental Meditation. He is now believed to be 91 and on Tuesday, a close adviser said he has retreated into near silence and turned over the day-to-day running of his global network to aides. He is not as young as he once was, adviser John Hagelin, an American physicist, said by telephone from the Dutch village of Vlodrop where the TM movement is now headquartered. I think he probably has a more limited reserve of physical energy to draw upon. He was working ... 20 hours a day for years. Transcendental Meditation, or TM, is a 20-minute twice daily routine in which the meditator silently focuses on a sound, or mantra, to induce relaxation and dive into a state of pure consciousness. Most scientists agree TM can ease stress, high blood pressure, pain and insomnia. But some argue it is no more effective than many other mind-body relaxation techniques. Movie director David Lynch once extolled the virtues of TM in a speech. Anger, stress, tension, depression, sorrow, hate, fear these things start to retreat, said Lynch, a longtime practitioner. And for a filmmaker, having this negativity lift away is money in the bank. When you're suffering you can't create. The Maharishi's movement claims some 6 million people have become practitioners. But it was not until the Beatles visited his ashram in India in 1968 that the guru became an icon of the counterculture movement. John, Paul, George and Ringo came for spiritual instruction as they struggled to come to terms with the death of their manager Brian Epstein. Other celebrities who followed the Maharishi's teachings included singer Donovan, actress Mia Farrow and the Beach Boys. The attention his famous followers focused on the Maharishi's movement turned it into a global phenomenon with outposts in some 130 countries. For the last 17 years, he has run it from a former Franciscan monastery in a secluded forest near Vlodrop, an eastern Dutch village near the German border. He often spent hours on end speaking by video links to followers around the globe. The Maharishi told senior aides at a Jan. 8 meeting in the Netherlands of his plan to withdraw from administrative duties and spend his time absorbed in the ancient Indian texts that underpin his movement. The announcement caught many followers off guard. He had been involved very dynamically administratively in his worldwide movement for over 50 years, so it's quite a significant change to see him dive back purely into knowledge and let other people take care of the administration, Hagelin said. There is no one designated successor but many people have been trained for years to carry on the Maharishi's various tasks, Hagelin said. The Maharishi a Hindi-language title for Great Seer now spends his days in silence contemplating and preparing a commentary on the Vedas, a vast Sanskrit canon compiled some 3,500 years ago, from which he evolves solutions for today's troubled world. I think everybody's quietly feeling some sense of celebration that he's finally going to complete his commentary on the Vedas, which probably will have a longer-term impact, Hagelin said. It's a vitally important body of literature. The Maharishi is believed to have been born Jan. 12, 1917, in central India. He earned a physics degree from Allahabad University, was the longtime secretary to a leading Hindu sage, then went into silent retreat for two years in the northern Indian hills. In 1955, he began teaching Transcendental Meditation and took his technique to the United States in 1959. Copyright 2008 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This
[FairfieldLife] From The Spoof.com -- Beatles guru, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, set to retire
There's hope for all the guru wannabe's yet! Beatles guru, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, set to retire http://www.thespoof.com/news/spoof.cfm?headline=s4i29672
[FairfieldLife] Re: The two models
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlist@ wrote: Barry writes snipped: And again, you are assuming the unenlightened model, which believes that progress *has* to be made towards enlightenment. If you shift to another equally accurate model and description of the process -- that everyone is always already enlightened and that the *only* thing that marks enlightenment is a realization of what has always already been going on -- then there is no progress possible. TomT: The reason it is called ignorance is that one actually is able to ignore that which they always have been and will always be. It is not called stupid or smart or arrogant or gratuitous or a lie it is called IGNORANCE. Name and form. For those who have had a realization experience, whether it be temporary or permanent, the always already enlightened model is just so much more *accurate*. Funny, above you called the progress model equally accurate. And as I've already pointed out, the model per se isn't any different, it just uses different words to express the same thing. It's *obvious* when it happens that there was never anywhere to go, nothing to become, no stress to get rid of, no moment at which you were ever unenlightened. Enlightenment is, has always been, and will always be; the only thing lacking up til now has been the realization of what should have been obvious. Except that it's obvious only once you've had that realization. What you describe as something lacking is what the progress model calls ignorance or unenlightenment. What's lacking is enlightenment. And there's no reason to suppose there isn't any progress involved in remedying that lack, whether one recognizes it or not. snip As far as I can tell, the entire TM model for the enlightenment process is a LIE. Worse, it is a *known* lie, because Maharishi has at times written eloquently about the other model, the always already enlightened model. So he *chose* to tell people that they were unenlightened, I.e., lacking the realization that they were always already enlightened. and would remain unenlightened until certain undefined conditions were met. I.e., the condition of realization that they were always already enlightened. He chose to *reinforce* the ignorance rather than dispel it. WHY, one wonders? Perhaps because he knows it doesn't make any damn difference. Actually, it seems to me the you're already enlightened model is the one that's a lie. If you're still lacking the realization, you're not enlightened. This model is designed to make people feel stupid if they're still lacking the realization, as if there were something wrong with them for not having it--e.g., what should have been obvious, IGNORANT of what's been right in his face since the day he was born. It's the very worst kind of elitism, playing with words to exalt oneself and denigrate others.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Awake to God's Allness, or asleep in despair
I posted that because i couldn't figure out what the hell BillyG was doing with the Yogananda quote and then the snide reference to you. Actually I saw my own smiling face when I glanced at the poop of my basset hound! Self folding back onto Self. I am shit, shit is me! --- curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Billy, I took my dog out for a walk and when he took a shit your smiling, sattvic face came to mind. Dude, WTF? What is this nonsense? My Dad has a good label for guys like you Pete. He would say, That Peter is 'with it.' He's really on the ball. Nothing gets past you here brother. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- BillyG. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Don't be like Lot's wife who looked back (allowed her mind to be possessed by memories of past sexual behavior) Then how exactly do you masturbate? Internet porn? (If the answer is that you do not please include an address where I can send the flowers and condolences) Curtis-I read this recently and funnily enough your name popped into my head: I quote, The influence of the force of avidya (the individuality of the ego) is such that no matter how irksome the illusion, deluded man is loath to part with it...The confirmed materialist, captive in his own realm of 'reality', is ignorant in, and of, his deluded state and therefore has no wish, nor will, to exchange it for the sole Reality, Spirit. He perceives the temporal world as reality, eternal substance-(insofar as he is able to grasp the concept of eternity). He imagines the grossness of sensory experience to be the pure essence of feeling and perception. He fabricates his OWN standards of morality and behavior and calls them good, irrespective of their inharmony with eternal Divine Law. And he thinks that his ego, his mortal sense of being, with its inflated self-importance as the almighty doer, is the image of his soul as created by God. Swami Yogananda Billy, I took my dog out for a walk and when he took a shit your smiling, sattvic face came to mind. Dude, WTF? What is this nonsense? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
[FairfieldLife] Re: The two models
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlist@ wrote: Barry writes snipped: And again, you are assuming the unenlightened model, which believes that progress *has* to be made towards enlightenment. If you shift to another equally accurate model and description of the process -- that everyone is always already enlightened and that the *only* thing that marks enlightenment is a realization of what has always already been going on -- then there is no progress possible. TomT: The reason it is called ignorance is that one actually is able to ignore that which they always have been and will always be. It is not called stupid or smart or arrogant or gratuitous or a lie it is called IGNORANCE. Name and form. For those who have had a realization experience, whether it be temporary or permanent, the always already enlightened model is just so much more *accurate*. It's *obvious* when it happens that there was never anywhere to go, nothing to become, no stress to get rid of, no moment at which you were ever unenlightened. Enlightenment is, has always been, and will always be; the only thing lacking up til now has been the realization of what should have been obvious. As Tom suggests, the being who has considered himself unenlightened has just been being IGNORANT of what's been right in his face since the day he was born. So I've always wondered WHY spiritual teachers went for that *other* model, the *inaccurate* one. You know the one -- the one that says that there are things you have to do to become enlight- ened, that there are obstacles like stress that can prevent enlightenment, that one can ever be unenlightened. Why not do what Ramana Maharshi and a few other teachers did and just TELL THE TRUTH from Day One: You're enlightened. Right here, right now. GET OVER all this 'unenlightened' stuff already. :-) As far as I can tell, the entire TM model for the enlightenment process is a LIE. Worse, it is a *known* lie, because Maharishi has at times written eloquently about the other model, the always already enlightened model. So he *chose* to tell people that they were unenlightened, and would remain unenlightened until certain undefined conditions were met. He chose to *reinforce* the ignorance rather than dispel it. WHY, one wonders? My readings of vedic texts implies that acquiring enlightenment is like becoming a doctor - - that is, after one has demonstrated sufficient proficiency with the material, then the title is bestowed upon you, (thru practice of yoga) one earns enlightenment the old fashioned way. This traditional 'model' takes a polite approach to enlightenment - as compared to the buccaneer approach where one can create opportunities of heightened eligibility (aka Grace) - - the thinking being that all that is required is a familiarity with the transcendent - - for example, if closing your eyes right now (or better yet with eyes open); if the notion of I Am or the Transcendent resonates - than you are eligible. So, create your own moments of Grace, and try on the idea of I AM That - - does it fit? Hey remember this, 50% of all doctors graduated in the bottom half of their class - likewise, the Self is not exact till you are there, so the point where you leap is up to you. Keep in mind the naturalness of consciousness (as compared to an experience) - we are not looking for something like Wow I've been enlightened for 2 hours and 22 minutes and it is really a trip .. if any impression is present, it be more like this is how I have always lived or this is how human beings live . . not unlike waking state . . so be a pirate AARGH
[FairfieldLife] Re: Awake to God's Allness, or asleep in despair
Actually I saw my own smiling face when I glanced at the poop of my basset hound! Self folding back onto Self. I am shit, shit is me! I think this insight applies equally well to the humanistic perspective. It is when one monkey that I am not shit, but you are that the trouble begins for me. Shared humanity as physical beings. Shared expressions of a unified Self behind all of life. Lately I'm beginning to see these concepts as much closer in their end perspective. It seems to depend on what aspect you pay attention to most. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I posted that because i couldn't figure out what the hell BillyG was doing with the Yogananda quote and then the snide reference to you. Actually I saw my own smiling face when I glanced at the poop of my basset hound! Self folding back onto Self. I am shit, shit is me! --- curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Billy, I took my dog out for a walk and when he took a shit your smiling, sattvic face came to mind. Dude, WTF? What is this nonsense? My Dad has a good label for guys like you Pete. He would say, That Peter is 'with it.' He's really on the ball. Nothing gets past you here brother. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: --- BillyG. wgm4u@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Don't be like Lot's wife who looked back (allowed her mind to be possessed by memories of past sexual behavior) Then how exactly do you masturbate? Internet porn? (If the answer is that you do not please include an address where I can send the flowers and condolences) Curtis-I read this recently and funnily enough your name popped into my head: I quote, The influence of the force of avidya (the individuality of the ego) is such that no matter how irksome the illusion, deluded man is loath to part with it...The confirmed materialist, captive in his own realm of 'reality', is ignorant in, and of, his deluded state and therefore has no wish, nor will, to exchange it for the sole Reality, Spirit. He perceives the temporal world as reality, eternal substance-(insofar as he is able to grasp the concept of eternity). He imagines the grossness of sensory experience to be the pure essence of feeling and perception. He fabricates his OWN standards of morality and behavior and calls them good, irrespective of their inharmony with eternal Divine Law. And he thinks that his ego, his mortal sense of being, with its inflated self-importance as the almighty doer, is the image of his soul as created by God. Swami Yogananda Billy, I took my dog out for a walk and when he took a shit your smiling, sattvic face came to mind. Dude, WTF? What is this nonsense? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
[FairfieldLife] Re: Veterans of Life
Doug Hamilton writes snipped: Good stories often turn on a presence of mind that has someone stand resolved. Well told stories do tell what someone was thinking or doing `walking in those shoes' and sometimes a good story just helps you stand where someone stood for a moment. TomT: Susan Herzberger (a TMer in FF who has been awake since 85) explained it as story has the ability to by pass all the alarms of the modern and sophisticated mind and get directly to the reptilian mind where the message is taken in whole hog. Seems great teachers use them to change minds without the permission of those listening to the story. Tom
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The two models
On Jan 31, 2008, at 10:30 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote: This model is designed to make people feel stupid if they're still lacking the realization, as if there were something wrong with them for not having it--e.g., what should have been obvious, IGNORANT of what's been right in his face since the day he was born. It's the very worst kind of elitism, playing with words to exalt oneself and denigrate others. Quite the opposite, the actual intention (at least in Buddhadharma, but I suspect we see the same thing is seen in Hinduism's various darshanas or ways-of-seeing ) is that there's 'different strokes for different folks'. When the movement came out with its mistake of the intellect phrase it kinda struck me this same way. Unfortunate choice of words IMO. It's a translation of a common word used in Ayurveda is all it is. The problem with the TMO, they seem to use it frequently outside it's intended context.
[FairfieldLife] The God of Little Girls and Dead Dog's White Teeth
Ben wrote: From Message 62660 Awake to God When we're quiet and listen to God, in no time we know clearly that God is All, and all that there possibly can be. There is nothing but God. So there can't be God and something besides. You know that God cannot be sick or poor or in pain. So sickness, poverty and pain are impossible and preposterous, since God is all, and All is God. From Message 162719 A Real Miracle A few folks are saying this God is All business is just farfetched fantasy, without very much value. I write: Ben, aside from the obvious question of whose god/which god -- Manitou? Odin? Zuess? Allah? Yaweh? Tara? Brahma/Vishnu/Shiva/? Sharipova? -- the difficulty I have is with a god is all where all is defined as only everything nice, comfortable, good and pleasant. WTF? How is that ALL? That would be the little girl god of sugar and spice and everything nice, the dead-dog's-white-teeth god attached to the non-existent,illusory, rotting-in-the-gutter-on-the-untouchable-side-of-town dog corpse. You can't have one without the other. It seems to me that ALL-THAT-IS is all that is, and god is a concept. In this case, it's a concept that conveniently cuts off a good portion of what is. If you want to define god as all that is, then I think you have to accept the whole shebang. Pig-tails and calico sun dresses are real, but cluster bombs, Auschwitz, Darfur and famine are illusions? Fresh powder snow on a sunlit mountainside and the Aurora Borealis are god, but tantrics eating from skulls and some guy offering himself up on the internet to be cannibalized are not? Preposterous they may be, but it seems to me it must either be all real or all illusion, and that in the end it may not matter which, because it's all that is. I suspect it takes more courage and is more small-self-ego-obliterating to face the totality of all that is than to cut it up and pretend that parts of it do not belong or are somehow outside of it (a truly bizarre concept, IMO, when talking about all-that-is), because to accept IT ALL we must know it is what WE are too. Yellow-matter custard dripping from a dead dog's eye Corporation t-shirt, stupid bloody Tuesday man You should have seen them kicking Edgar Allen Poe... I am he as you are he and you are me and we are altogether... I think you are not alone in wanting only the nice and pretty and ignoring the rest; pretty much everyone wants a better life, and I don't think there's anything wrong with that. Nor do I pretend to know what would happen in the world if everyone embraced themselves as the totality of all-that-is, from sugar and spice to terrorists hitting the twin towers, from fine wine to molatov cocktails, from the worst bigot to the most compassionate soul. But perhaps, just perhaps, we'd stop creating our own shadow demons that we end up fighting. There are those who say the whole spiritual seeking/teaching game is just another layer of delusion to keep our egos occupied so we don't have to face all-that-is. The reason ignorance sells may be that people would rather seek than find, that they want their sugar and spice without the greasy grimy gopher guts. Reminds me of a half-finished song: All he really wanted was a nicer Maya/ twisting by the pool and sipping cocos on la playa/ sun's out, surf's up, there's mangoes and papaya/ everybody's happy in a nicer Maya I bought into the nicer Maya, heaven-on-earth vision for a long time, so I can't criticize. I have no complaints about my own life compared to what goes on in the world, but heaven-on-earth as described by promises of a world with no poverty, no war, no disease etc. just isn't here. It's not that ALL-THAT-IS is a farfetched fantasy; it's the HALF-IS-REALLY-ALL that's a farfetched fantasy. YMMV
[FairfieldLife] Re: The two models
This model is designed to make people feel stupid if they're still lacking the realization, as if there were something wrong with them for not having it--e.g., what should have been obvious, IGNORANT of what's been right in his face since the day he was born. It's the very worst kind of elitism, playing with words to exalt oneself and denigrate others. When the movement came out with its mistake of the intellect phrase it kinda struck me this same way. Unfortunate choice of words IMO. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlist@ wrote: Barry writes snipped: And again, you are assuming the unenlightened model, which believes that progress *has* to be made towards enlightenment. If you shift to another equally accurate model and description of the process -- that everyone is always already enlightened and that the *only* thing that marks enlightenment is a realization of what has always already been going on -- then there is no progress possible. TomT: The reason it is called ignorance is that one actually is able to ignore that which they always have been and will always be. It is not called stupid or smart or arrogant or gratuitous or a lie it is called IGNORANCE. Name and form. For those who have had a realization experience, whether it be temporary or permanent, the always already enlightened model is just so much more *accurate*. Funny, above you called the progress model equally accurate. And as I've already pointed out, the model per se isn't any different, it just uses different words to express the same thing. It's *obvious* when it happens that there was never anywhere to go, nothing to become, no stress to get rid of, no moment at which you were ever unenlightened. Enlightenment is, has always been, and will always be; the only thing lacking up til now has been the realization of what should have been obvious. Except that it's obvious only once you've had that realization. What you describe as something lacking is what the progress model calls ignorance or unenlightenment. What's lacking is enlightenment. And there's no reason to suppose there isn't any progress involved in remedying that lack, whether one recognizes it or not. snip As far as I can tell, the entire TM model for the enlightenment process is a LIE. Worse, it is a *known* lie, because Maharishi has at times written eloquently about the other model, the always already enlightened model. So he *chose* to tell people that they were unenlightened, I.e., lacking the realization that they were always already enlightened. and would remain unenlightened until certain undefined conditions were met. I.e., the condition of realization that they were always already enlightened. He chose to *reinforce* the ignorance rather than dispel it. WHY, one wonders? Perhaps because he knows it doesn't make any damn difference. Actually, it seems to me the you're already enlightened model is the one that's a lie. If you're still lacking the realization, you're not enlightened. This model is designed to make people feel stupid if they're still lacking the realization, as if there were something wrong with them for not having it--e.g., what should have been obvious, IGNORANT of what's been right in his face since the day he was born. It's the very worst kind of elitism, playing with words to exalt oneself and denigrate others.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Real Miracle
Probably wasn't appendicitis.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The two models
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlist@ wrote: Barry writes snipped: And again, you are assuming the unenlightened model, which believes that progress *has* to be made towards enlightenment. If you shift to another equally accurate model and description of the process -- that everyone is always already enlightened and that the *only* thing that marks enlightenment is a realization of what has always already been going on -- then there is no progress possible. TomT: The reason it is called ignorance is that one actually is able to ignore that which they always have been and will always be. It is not called stupid or smart or arrogant or gratuitous or a lie it is called IGNORANCE. Name and form. For those who have had a realization experience, whether it be temporary or permanent, the always already enlightened model is just so much more *accurate*. Funny, above you called the progress model equally accurate. And as I've already pointed out, the model per se isn't any different, it just uses different words to express the same thing. It's *obvious* when it happens that there was never anywhere to go, nothing to become, no stress to get rid of, no moment at which you were ever unenlightened. Enlightenment is, has always been, and will always be; the only thing lacking up til now has been the realization of what should have been obvious. Except that it's obvious only once you've had that realization. What you describe as something lacking is what the progress model calls ignorance or unenlightenment. What's lacking is enlightenment. And there's no reason to suppose there isn't any progress involved in remedying that lack, whether one recognizes it or not. snip As far as I can tell, the entire TM model for the enlightenment process is a LIE. Worse, it is a *known* lie, because Maharishi has at times written eloquently about the other model, the always already enlightened model. So he *chose* to tell people that they were unenlightened, I.e., lacking the realization that they were always already enlightened. and would remain unenlightened until certain undefined conditions were met. I.e., the condition of realization that they were always already enlightened. He chose to *reinforce* the ignorance rather than dispel it. WHY, one wonders? Perhaps because he knows it doesn't make any damn difference. Actually, it seems to me the you're already enlightened model is the one that's a lie. If you're still lacking the realization, you're not enlightened. This model is designed to make people feel stupid if they're still lacking the realization, as if there were something wrong with them for not having it--e.g., what should have been obvious, IGNORANT of what's been right in his face since the day he was born. But it's the truth. THAT is what you're pissed off about. It's the very worst kind of elitism, playing with words to exalt oneself and denigrate others. Whatever. If you feel stupid with this model, that's because it places the *reason* for your belief in your own unenlightenment squarely where it belongs -- in your own lap. Just as you prefer to believe in bad guys in politics and here on Fairfield Life, and contin- ually try to find people or things on which you can place blame for the things you don't like, you'd prefer to believe that there are reasons that you don't perceive yourself to be enlightened. There are. You've never made the CHOICE to perceive the reality of the situation. You'd prefer to cling to the notion that you're unenlightened. Whatever. If you get off on that, I guess there is nothing more to say. Except that by my count, this compulsive post of yours claiming that I'm an elitist puts you over the 50-post limit for this week. Rick's count is the official one, of course, but if his count agrees with mine, I guess I'll see you Saturday the 9th, not Saturday the 2nd. And, *whenever* you next appear, I'd be willing to bet you'll still be clinging to your model of I'm unenlightened no matter what *anyone* tells me. And the fact that I'm unenlightened is somebody/something else's fault, not mine!
[FairfieldLife] Re: The two models
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [I wrote:] This model is designed to make people feel stupid if they're still lacking the realization, as if there were something wrong with them for not having it--e.g., what should have been obvious, IGNORANT of what's been right in his face since the day he was born. It's the very worst kind of elitism, playing with words to exalt oneself and denigrate others. When the movement came out with its mistake of the intellect phrase it kinda struck me this same way. Unfortunate choice of words IMO. Even though the intellect is still mistaken in enlightenment? Even though we couldn't function in the relative without that mistake? Even though every word out of MMY's mouth is in the language of the mistaken intellect? Seems to me it should have exactly the opposite effect--it explains why we don't automatically realize we're always already enlightened, why it isn't our fault that we don't realize it. The intellect's mistake is that it's too smart for its own good. That's why we transcend, so that the intellect shuts up and quits misleading us, so we can experience Self-referral without getting hung up in paradox and infinite regress, which is what Self-referral looks like to the intellect. (My last post for the week, gang.)
[FairfieldLife] Re: The two models
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This model is designed to make people feel stupid if they're still lacking the realization, as if there were something wrong with them for not having it--e.g., what should have been obvious, IGNORANT of what's been right in his face since the day he was born. It's the very worst kind of elitism, playing with words to exalt oneself and denigrate others. When the movement came out with its mistake of the intellect phrase it kinda struck me this same way. Unfortunate choice of words IMO. The difference is that if it's the mistake of the intellect it's somebody ELSE's fault. It's like the people who believe in it are whining, It's the universe's fault, or God's fault, or the laws of nature's fault, or somebody's...it's certainly not MINE. In the it's somebody/something ELSE's fault that I'm not enlightened model, there is something *outside* of one's self to blame it on. And there is something *outside* of one's self that prevents you from realizing your enlightenment. You don't have to take any responsibility for not being enlightened, and you can't really do all that much to change the situation, because it's controlled by that mysterious something outside of one's self. In the always already enlightened model, the fact that you don't perceive yourself to be enlightened is always *your* fault. You just haven't made that choice. BUT, at any moment you *could* make that choice, and change things, and realize what has always already been present. Me, I like the always already enlightened model and find the not enlightened and its somebody/ something ELSE's fault model insulting. Others obviously swing the other way. Go figure. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlist@ wrote: Barry writes snipped: And again, you are assuming the unenlightened model, which believes that progress *has* to be made towards enlightenment. If you shift to another equally accurate model and description of the process -- that everyone is always already enlightened and that the *only* thing that marks enlightenment is a realization of what has always already been going on -- then there is no progress possible. TomT: The reason it is called ignorance is that one actually is able to ignore that which they always have been and will always be. It is not called stupid or smart or arrogant or gratuitous or a lie it is called IGNORANCE. Name and form. For those who have had a realization experience, whether it be temporary or permanent, the always already enlightened model is just so much more *accurate*. Funny, above you called the progress model equally accurate. And as I've already pointed out, the model per se isn't any different, it just uses different words to express the same thing. It's *obvious* when it happens that there was never anywhere to go, nothing to become, no stress to get rid of, no moment at which you were ever unenlightened. Enlightenment is, has always been, and will always be; the only thing lacking up til now has been the realization of what should have been obvious. Except that it's obvious only once you've had that realization. What you describe as something lacking is what the progress model calls ignorance or unenlightenment. What's lacking is enlightenment. And there's no reason to suppose there isn't any progress involved in remedying that lack, whether one recognizes it or not. snip As far as I can tell, the entire TM model for the enlightenment process is a LIE. Worse, it is a *known* lie, because Maharishi has at times written eloquently about the other model, the always already enlightened model. So he *chose* to tell people that they were unenlightened, I.e., lacking the realization that they were always already enlightened. and would remain unenlightened until certain undefined conditions were met. I.e., the condition of realization that they were always already enlightened. He chose to *reinforce* the ignorance rather than dispel it. WHY, one wonders? Perhaps because he knows it doesn't make any damn difference. Actually, it seems to me the you're already enlightened model is the one that's a lie. If you're still lacking the realization, you're not enlightened. This model is designed to make people feel stupid if they're still lacking the realization, as if there were something wrong with them for not having it--e.g., what should have been obvious, IGNORANT of what's been right in his face since the day he was born.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Veterans of Life
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doug Hamilton writes snipped: Good stories often turn on a presence of mind that has someone stand resolved. Well told stories do tell what someone was thinking or doing `walking in those shoes' and sometimes a good story just helps you stand where someone stood for a moment. Edg: Cute quip I came across: Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes. TomT: Susan Herzberger (a TMer in FF who has been awake since 85) explained it as story has the ability to by pass all the alarms of the modern and sophisticated mind and get directly to the reptilian mind where the message is taken in whole hog. Seems great teachers use them to change minds without the permission of those listening to the story. Tom Edg: Whew! That's a new concept for me! Shudder! Talk about controlling the masses. All we need is a spiritually sensitive George Bush to control the world! That said, I hope that Susan's insomnia will someday be cured!
[FairfieldLife] Re: The two models
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: damn difference. Actually, it seems to me the you're already enlightened model is the one that's a lie. If you're still lacking the realization, you're not enlightened. This model is designed to make people feel stupid if they're still lacking the realization, as if there were something wrong with them for not having it--e.g., what should have been obvious, IGNORANT of what's been right in his face since the day he was born. It's the very worst kind of elitism, playing with words to exalt oneself and denigrate others. Agreed. The you're already enlightened model fires up one thing only: the ego. The model fits perfectly for the lazy lovers of vino here on FFL. ;-)
[FairfieldLife] Carnaval
Hey John (do.rflex), How long does Carnaval last in Brazil? Here in Sitges it's about to start tonight and continue through February 6th. I'm probably not going to get a lot of sleep for the next week, because this is what my town's going to look like 24/7: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1Jstos5rO0 http://www.whatsonwhen.com/sisp/index.htm?fx=videovideo_id=18 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44PaD0Makrc
[FairfieldLife] Overposting
Judy and Shemp are both over by 2. Turq intentionally went over by one last week and I didn’t suspend him, so in fairness to them, I’ll cut them some slack. But if either of them posts again before Friday night, I’ll have to suspend them. Judy for one week, Shemp for 3. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.17/1252 - Release Date: 1/30/2008 8:51 PM
RE: [FairfieldLife] Check out my Facebook profile
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Zoran Krneta Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 5:11 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Check out my Facebook profile I know Nenad, he is ok guy, I think he send his profile because most of the people on this forum are hiding... it is not comfortable to talk with someone who doesn't want to show up his face. I think that is the reason why people allow themselves to say something what usually would not. Thanks. Posting Facebook profiles isn’t a bad idea. Here’s mine: http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=672990734 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.17/1252 - Release Date: 1/30/2008 8:51 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: The two models
Judy writes: snipped This model is designed to make people feel stupid if they're still lacking the realization, as if there were something wrong with them for not having it--e.g., what should have been obvious, IGNORANT of what's been right in his face since the day he was born. It's the very worst kind of elitism, playing with words to exalt oneself and denigrate others. TomT: I did not use the word IGNORANT. I was very careful to use the root word of this sequence which is the word to IGNORE. If one is willing to consider that the basic human condition is the ability to IGNORE then there is no blame, no shame and no reason to IGNORE the opportunity to do a small amount of self inquiry. Just considering that this might be a way out of the quandary of being a seeker and not a finder has some possibility of moving out of a frozen position of the last 25 to 35 years. we learned to transcend in order to know IT when IT found us. Self inquiry might allow us to find the way our tricky minds work. I am only suggesting that we look at the possibility that the ability to IGNORE is just bad software and that there may be a way out through allowing us to see no bad guys, no blame, no shame and just a statement to be explored to see if it has any value to whomever. This is the true value of the intellect. As Patanjali put it chapter 3 last verse. When the translucent intellect is as clear as the SELF, there is Enlightenment. Tom
Re: [FairfieldLife] Shemp Shemp Shemp -- a must read!
Edg, what's got into you? I never thought you capable of heaping humiliation
upon anyone's noggin. That's other people's job in this list. Your job is
infinite compassion.
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Subject: [FairfieldLife] Shemp Shemp Shemp -- a must read!
Shemp,
Oh boy!
I just met this person who knows you personally!
What a bucket full of dirt I'm getting!
Can't wait to write it all up and post it here.
You'll never come here again lest you face the humiliation you're
about to have heaped upon your noggin!
Edg
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Carnaval
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey John (do.rflex), How long does Carnaval last in Brazil? It starts tomorrow and lasts 'till next Wed. The Brazilians love it, they love their holidays and party hearty. [Interestingly, the government widely distributes condoms during the events.] It's actually best to watch Carnaval on TV, you see whole lot more. I went with my wife to the official one in Rio in 2002 and we had 2 attempted muggings within 5 minutes of each other in a huge crowd. Luckily we escaped unharmed each time. I'm a pink 'gringo' and I kind of stand out in a crowd of Brazilians. Seems the bad guys think 'gringos' are good targets. Check this out for info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazilian_Carnival Here in Sitges it's about to start tonight and continue through February 6th. I'm probably not going to get a lot of sleep for the next week, because this is what my town's going to look like 24/7: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1Jstos5rO0 http://www.whatsonwhen.com/sisp/index.htm?fx=videovideo_id=18 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44PaD0Makrc
[FairfieldLife] the two models
Another old posting from Tom T From Jean Klein Transmission of the Flame page 65 first para: ...We have very often repeated that the seeker is the sought. An object is a fraction; it appears in your wholeness, in your globality. When you really come to the understanding that the seeker is the sought, there is a natural giving-up of all energy to find something. It is an instantaneous apperception. I don't say perception, because in perception there is a perceiver and something perceived. An apperception is an instantaneous perceiving of what is perceiving. So it can never be in relation of subject-object, just as an eye can never see its own seeing. ...you will find a glimpse of non-subject-object relationship. This glimpse is seen with your whole intelligence, which is there in the absence of the person, the thinker, the doer. Understanding, being the understanding, is enlightenment.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The two models
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip you'd prefer to believe that there are reasons that you don't perceive yourself to be enlightened. snip And, *whenever* you next appear, I'd be willing to bet you'll still be clinging to your model of I'm unenlightened no matter what *anyone* tells me. And the fact that I'm unenlightened is somebody/something else's fault, not mine! SO clue us in please, dude-- you rant and rave when others on this board have stated unequivocally that they are enlightened (you know who they are), because you judge their expression to be unenlightened. And now you say that we are all enlightened?? wtf? The conclusion seems to be that everyone is enlightened, but only when you, TB, say they are. Right? That's just wrong...smells of your own private religion, with your ego as God.
[FairfieldLife] the two models
Something I posted here a few years ago that seems revelant to this discussion. TOm Ignorance is nothing more that our ability to ignore that which we already are. A great many spiritual people have some pretty outstanding experiences, which cause them to move to deeper understandings. The key here is that all experiences are in, of, by, and about the relative. Those experiences do make a difference and move people to some relative understanding of who we are. When Self knows Self, this happens on the other side of the line. It is the absolute knowing itself. When that happens understanding gets imprinted on this small self physiology of the magnitude of what has happened, thus making it impossible to ignore who and what we have always been. The key is that if there is any doubt then the relative side of who we are has not yet had the clear understanding to make it unmistakable, undeniable and self-validating. Awakening is not an experience but an understanding brought about through clarity. A quote from Jean Klein from his book I AM page 85. In an experience there is still an experiencer who is stuck in the pattern of going in and out of states. Global understanding is the sudden awareness that the perceiver of these states is unaffected by them, that they appear in the perceiver. This insight occurs in a flash when all the fragments preventing us from understanding, yet which point towards it, unfold in the uninvolved witness. Awareness is the essential element allowing non-understanding to become understanding. It does not result from accumulation as when we learn something, a language or an instrument, for example. It is instantaneous like a flash of lightning where the various elements preceding it are suddenly seen simultaneously and are re-orchestrated, just as the particles drawn by a magnet fall into a pattern when they become attached to it. This sudden vision can eliminate all previous problems without leaving the slightest shadow of non-understanding. This resorption into total understanding releases all the energies usually molded into set patterns and opens the way towards ultimate truth, oneness. (Tom comments, we could also use Wholeness or Fullness in lieu of Oneness.) Patanjali via Alistair Shearer verse 55 and last of Chapter 3, Expansion. Which is where all the sidhis are enumerated and is of course the prescribed result of practicing them which is why it is the last verse of this chapter. And when the translucent intellect is as pure as the Self, there is Enlightenment
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shemp Shemp Shemp -- a must read!
Angela,
I know. I know!
It's madness that overtakes me.
I am resisting, but it is futile -- thanks for the chiding, but all is
lost.
Shemp is going down.
Edg
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
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Edg, what's got into you? I never thought you capable of heaping
humiliation upon anyone's noggin. That's other people's job in this
list. Your job is infinite compassion.
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Subject: [FairfieldLife] Shemp Shemp Shemp -- a must read!
Shemp,
Oh boy!
I just met this person who knows you personally!
What a bucket full of dirt I'm getting!
Can't wait to write it all up and post it here.
You'll never come here again lest you face the humiliation you're
about to have heaped upon your noggin!
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[FairfieldLife] Shemp Shemp Shemp -- a must read!
Shemp, Oh boy! I just met this person who knows you personally! What a bucket full of dirt I'm getting! Can't wait to write it all up and post it here. You'll never come here again lest you face the humiliation you're about to have heaped upon your noggin! Edg
[FairfieldLife] the two models
One other thing to add to the stew from one of my long lost posts.Tom Enlightenment is not an experience it is an understanding that comes when the intellect makes the final discrimination. The understanding does not happen in any mind. Self knows Self. The knowing of Self is so strong as to leave no doubt about what has transpired. That knowing imprints on the small self what is known to be beyond the ability of any mind to know. It is the expression of the lively absolute playing out in a physiology. Brahmin looks out through these eyes, talks through this mouth and animates this body. The cosmic Self comes to the forefront and the small self is content to run the relative life. Nothing in your life changes and yet everything in your life changes. It is the ultimate Paradox, which is the clue as to the profundity of what has just transpired.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The two models
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: damn difference. Actually, it seems to me the you're already enlightened model is the one that's a lie. If you're still lacking the realization, you're not enlightened. This model is designed to make people feel stupid if they're still lacking the realization, as if there were something wrong with them for not having it--e.g., what should have been obvious, IGNORANT of what's been right in his face since the day he was born. It's the very worst kind of elitism, playing with words to exalt oneself and denigrate others. Agreed. The you're already enlightened model fires up one thing only: the ego. The model fits perfectly for the lazy lovers of vino here on FFL. ;-) The ego is no less fired up in the person chained to a treadmill to enlightenment.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Carnaval
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Hey John (do.rflex), How long does Carnaval last in Brazil? It starts tomorrow and lasts 'till next Wed. The Brazilians love it, they love their holidays and party hearty. [Interestingly, the government widely distributes condoms during the events.] It's actually best to watch Carnaval on TV, you see whole lot more. I went with my wife to the official one in Rio in 2002 and we had 2 attempted muggings within 5 minutes of each other in a huge crowd. Luckily we escaped unharmed each time. I'm a pink 'gringo' and I kind of stand out in a crowd of Brazilians. Seems the bad guys think 'gringos' are good targets. Fortunately, that really isn't an issue here in Spain. Sitges is *remarkably* crime-free, for a party-down beach town. So here it's more party consciousness, not party-but-keep-one-hand-on-your-wallet conscious- ness. Very sweet and innocent in its way, really, for a beach town. More like the late 60s, the hippie era. Even with the large gay scene it's a very sweet and innocent scene, not at all debauched and cynical the way some prudes would portray a big party-down event like Carnaval. The fireworks are starting outside, so I'm about to go outside and join the festivities. I wish you the best possible Carnaval, John. May you and your wife enjoy to the full limits of enjoyment. Me, I'm pretty much like a pig in shit. If you think Edg is drooling thinking of dishin' dirt on Shemp, just *imagine* what he's going to think of me after this week of serious party-down consciousness in Spain. A whole town full of half-naked Catholic girls letting their hair and their libidos down before they have to put them on the shelf for Lent. My kinda holiday... :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: The two models
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sandiego108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip you'd prefer to believe that there are reasons that you don't perceive yourself to be enlightened. snip And, *whenever* you next appear, I'd be willing to bet you'll still be clinging to your model of I'm unenlightened no matter what *anyone* tells me. And the fact that I'm unenlightened is somebody/something else's fault, not mine! SO clue us in please, dude-- you rant and rave when others on this board have stated unequivocally that they are enlightened (you know who they are), because you judge their expression to be unenlightened. And now you say that we are all enlightened?? wtf? Well OF COURSE you're all enlightened. In the sense that all of us are, even the ones who don't think they are, even the ones like Judy who are ready to die fighting for their right to say they're not enlightened. But that only makes you LIKE EVERYONE ELSE ON THE PLANET. Your problem is that you want to be considered special for being LIKE EVERYONE ELSE ON THE PLANET. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Check out my Facebook profile
Thanks! http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1017027930 2008/1/31, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]: *From:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Zoran Krneta *Sent:* Thursday, January 31, 2008 5:11 AM *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Check out my Facebook profile I know Nenad, he is ok guy, I think he send his profile because most of the people on this forum are hiding... it is not comfortable to talk with someone who doesn't want to show up his face. I think that is the reason why people allow themselves to say something what usually would not. Thanks. Posting Facebook profiles isn't a bad idea. Here's mine: http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=672990734 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.17/1252 - Release Date: 1/30/2008 8:51 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shemp Shemp Shemp -- a must read!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shemp, Oh boy! I just met this person who knows you personally! What a bucket full of dirt I'm getting! Can't wait to write it all up and post it here. You'll never come here again lest you face the humiliation you're about to have heaped upon your noggin! Edg I hope you will respect his desire for anonymity Edg. And for my unsolicited 2 cents: I know you disagree with his politics, but I like the guy and I feel kinda creeped out by an agenda for revealing personal information in order to shame someone here. Please reference that big hear of yours before you let something hurtful fly. Perhaps if you wait till he can post again to defend himself on Sat you can think over what you are really trying to accomplish. This post smacks of advice giving which is pretty odious in principle, so I apoligize for that. But I felt too strongly to stay silent.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Shemp Shemp Shemp -- a must read!
Shemp can’t respond until Friday midnight, because he has overposted, so you might want to hold off until he can post to defend himself. Also, be sure to get the dirt on the other Three Stooges. Shemp is always an also-ran. From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Duveyoung Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 12:09 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Shemp Shemp Shemp -- a must read! Shemp, Oh boy! I just met this person who knows you personally! What a bucket full of dirt I'm getting! Can't wait to write it all up and post it here. You'll never come here again lest you face the humiliation you're about to have heaped upon your noggin! Edg No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.17/1252 - Release Date: 1/30/2008 8:51 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shemp Shemp Shemp -- a must read!
Curtis, Thank you for trying to save me, but the die is cast. The details are just too juicy to not publish. I'm thinking if I publish before Shemp can post again, he'll have to twist in the wind until Saturday before he can do his usual When in Rome, destroy Edg thingie. I'll trikke on it, and see if something pure changes my mind. Stay tuned. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: Shemp, Oh boy! I just met this person who knows you personally! What a bucket full of dirt I'm getting! Can't wait to write it all up and post it here. You'll never come here again lest you face the humiliation you're about to have heaped upon your noggin! Edg I hope you will respect his desire for anonymity Edg. And for my unsolicited 2 cents: I know you disagree with his politics, but I like the guy and I feel kinda creeped out by an agenda for revealing personal information in order to shame someone here. Please reference that big hear of yours before you let something hurtful fly. Perhaps if you wait till he can post again to defend himself on Sat you can think over what you are really trying to accomplish. This post smacks of advice giving which is pretty odious in principle, so I apoligize for that. But I felt too strongly to stay silent.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shemp Shemp Shemp -- a must read!
Edg, Don't. Unwise, unfair.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Angela,
I know. I know!
It's madness that overtakes me.
I am resisting, but it is futile -- thanks for the chiding, but all is
lost.
Shemp is going down.
Edg
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
mailander111@ wrote:
Edg, what's got into you? I never thought you capable of heaping
humiliation upon anyone's noggin. That's other people's job in this
list. Your job is infinite compassion.
- Original Message
From: Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 12:08:44 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Shemp Shemp Shemp -- a must read!
Shemp,
Oh boy!
I just met this person who knows you personally!
What a bucket full of dirt I'm getting!
Can't wait to write it all up and post it here.
You'll never come here again lest you face the humiliation you're
about to have heaped upon your noggin!
Edg
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[FairfieldLife] Re: The two models
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: damn difference. Actually, it seems to me the you're already enlightened model is the one that's a lie. If you're still lacking the realization, you're not enlightened. This model is designed to make people feel stupid if they're still lacking the realization, as if there were something wrong with them for not having it--e.g., what should have been obvious, IGNORANT of what's been right in his face since the day he was born. It's the very worst kind of elitism, playing with words to exalt oneself and denigrate others. Agreed. The you're already enlightened model fires up one thing only: the ego. The model fits perfectly for the lazy lovers of vino here on FFL. ;-) The ego is no less fired up in the person chained to a treadmill to enlightenment. God, I love it when Alex posts. He really cuts to the chase...
[FairfieldLife] Re: The two models
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your problem is that you want to be considered special for being LIKE EVERYONE ELSE ON THE PLANET. :-) this sounds like a fantasy on your part- an ego trip. And it still doesn't explain your insistence that people in your estimation aren't enlightened because they don't *act* enlightened... do you try to *act* enlightened?
[FairfieldLife] The latest from Dome Announcments
On Jan 31, 2008, at 11:17 AM, Dome Announcements wrote: 1. Maharishi School 2008 Spring Fundraiser THIRD ANNUAL MAHARISHI YAGYA SPRING FUNDRAISER FOR MAHARISHI SCHOOL OF THE AGE OF ENLIGHTENMENT Participate by donating $100 or more to Maharishi School and contribute to the glorious benefits of Maharishi Yagya(R) performances for Maharishi School. Ten percent of what you donate goes directly to the performances and 90% covers the needs of Maharishi School. All donations are tax deductible. To donate online, go to: http://www.donation.msae.us. Anyone who donates to these Yagya performances may write notes of appreciation to Maharishi, Maybe it's just me, but it shouldn't it really be the other way around? Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Overposting
On Jan 31, 2008, at 11:02 AM, Rick Archer wrote: Judy and Shemp are both over by 2. Turq intentionally went over by one last week and I didn’t suspend him, so in fairness to them, I’ll cut them some slack. But if either of them posts again before Friday night, I’ll have to suspend them. Judy for one week, Shemp for 3. Rick, with such a liberal policy, Shemp just might have to reconsider his opinion that you're the next coming of Mussolini. :) Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Shemp Shemp Shemp -- a must read!
On Jan 31, 2008, at 12:39 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: I hope you will respect his desire for anonymity Edg. And for my unsolicited 2 cents: I know you disagree with his politics, but I like the guy and I feel kinda creeped out by an agenda for revealing personal information in order to shame someone here. Curtis, I could be wrong, but I think he's kidding. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shemp Shemp Shemp -- a must read!
I'll trikke on it, and see if something pure changes my mind. Thanks for thinking about it. It will ratchet up the nasty factor by the power of 10 IMO. It blends the safe persona online with a person's real life. I put myself out there to F with. I am public and I a easy to find in the real world. My online face is my real face. Google is so far up my ass I will never be anonymous again. And that suits me because I present myself as I am by choice. But this is not the case for everyone here and they may have really good reasons for this. Their real life may be very different from their FFL persona. You may vehemently disagree with the face a person shows here on any topic, but crossing over to hurt their real life seems shitty to me. And I would feel that way if I hated the guy's personality online. I appreciate your being open to other points of view. Of course none of this may really apply to what you want to post, but once it is out it is over, so I'm speaking my peace now. (is that peace or piece? They both seem to apply and I've seen it written both ways!) Happy trikking and I hope it gets your heart pumping. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Curtis, Thank you for trying to save me, but the die is cast. The details are just too juicy to not publish. I'm thinking if I publish before Shemp can post again, he'll have to twist in the wind until Saturday before he can do his usual When in Rome, destroy Edg thingie. I'll trikke on it, and see if something pure changes my mind. Stay tuned. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: Shemp, Oh boy! I just met this person who knows you personally! What a bucket full of dirt I'm getting! Can't wait to write it all up and post it here. You'll never come here again lest you face the humiliation you're about to have heaped upon your noggin! Edg I hope you will respect his desire for anonymity Edg. And for my unsolicited 2 cents: I know you disagree with his politics, but I like the guy and I feel kinda creeped out by an agenda for revealing personal information in order to shame someone here. Please reference that big hear of yours before you let something hurtful fly. Perhaps if you wait till he can post again to defend himself on Sat you can think over what you are really trying to accomplish. This post smacks of advice giving which is pretty odious in principle, so I apoligize for that. But I felt too strongly to stay silent.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shemp Shemp Shemp -- a must read!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 31, 2008, at 12:39 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: I hope you will respect his desire for anonymity Edg. And for my unsolicited 2 cents: I know you disagree with his politics, but I like the guy and I feel kinda creeped out by an agenda for revealing personal information in order to shame someone here. Curtis, I could be wrong, but I think he's kidding. Sal If he is, it is totally working on me! He pushed my earnest button pretty good. I hope you are right.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shemp Shemp Shemp -- a must read!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: Shemp, Oh boy! I just met this person who knows you personally! What a bucket full of dirt I'm getting! Can't wait to write it all up and post it here. You'll never come here again lest you face the humiliation you're about to have heaped upon your noggin! Edg I hope you will respect his desire for anonymity Edg. And for my unsolicited 2 cents: I know you disagree with his politics, but I like the guy and I feel kinda creeped out by an agenda for revealing personal information in order to shame someone here. Gotta agree. Think this one through, Edg. I mean...Dude...think how you'd feel if someone found out about that weekend you spent shacked up with the nun and the badger and the dwarf, and posted all the lurid details here on FFL, including the bit with butt plug the size of Apollo space capsule. Need I go further? :-) We've all got our baggage. Shemp has effectively hidden his for many years on the Internet. Hiding things has a value for him. Allow him his little pleasures, eh?
[FairfieldLife] Confession -------- Re: Shemp Shemp Shemp -- a must read!
Geeze! Cripes almighty! Sheesh! Talk about getting my karma instantly. Okay, I was just plain old lying. I don't know zip about Shemp. I thought maybe I could lure him into overposting, and then I'd see if Rick would allow it cuz of my having tantalized him so. So, hey, it was a test of Rick's backbone! But all you good hearted folks have tried to save me from myself here, and I'm just twisting in the wind like I wanted Shemp to endure. Can't stand it that you guys are uncomfortable. So I confess -- can't have it on my soul that I concerned the good 'uns so much. I'm sorry, and I think Rick should ban me for at least a week and maybe even three or more. Congrats to Shemp -- if he ever saw the post -- for resisting. Shemp the winner! GAWD -- I'll tell ya, eating crow here, and it doesn't taste like chicken. Big points to Sal for having intuitive radar. I'll be picking bits of tar and feathers off me for a week. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Jan 31, 2008, at 12:39 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: I hope you will respect his desire for anonymity Edg. And for my unsolicited 2 cents: I know you disagree with his politics, but I like the guy and I feel kinda creeped out by an agenda for revealing personal information in order to shame someone here. Curtis, I could be wrong, but I think he's kidding. Sal If he is, it is totally working on me! He pushed my earnest button pretty good. I hope you are right.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Shemp Shemp Shemp -- a must read!
On Jan 31, 2008, at 1:24 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: On Jan 31, 2008, at 12:39 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: I hope you will respect his desire for anonymity Edg. And for my unsolicited 2 cents: I know you disagree with his politics, but I like the guy and I feel kinda creeped out by an agenda for revealing personal information in order to shame someone here. Curtis, I could be wrong, but I think he's kidding. Sal If he is, it is totally working on me! He pushed my earnest button pretty good. I hope you are right. So do I. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shemp Shemp Shemp -- a must read!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll trikke on it, and see if something pure changes my mind. Thanks for thinking about it. It will ratchet up the nasty factor by the power of 10 IMO. It blends the safe persona online with a person's real life. I put myself out there to F with. I am public and I a easy to find in the real world. My kinda topic! I'm pretty out on the Net as well. Google me under pretty much *any* of my many pen names on the Net and you get *far* more than you ever wanted to kno. My online face is my real face. That's it. That's the part that, IMO, a lot of folks here miss. WYSIWYG What You See Is What You Get Some folks project 'phoniness' onto those who have no need of it. Google is so far up my ass I will never be anonymous again. That could be a best-selling T-shirt. And that suits me because I present myself as I am by choice. And by your *own* choice, not anyone else's. But this is not the case for everyone here and they may have really good reasons for this. Absolutely. Happy trikking and I hope it gets your heart pumping. Has there EVER been a more compassionate, loving, and above all SUBTLE line ever written on Fairfield Life?
RE: [FairfieldLife] Confession -------- Re: Shemp Shemp Shemp -- a must read!
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Duveyoung Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 1:43 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Confession Re: Shemp Shemp Shemp -- a must read! I'm sorry, and I think Rick should ban me for at least a week and maybe even three or more. A whipping with birch branches and a naked roll in the snow should suffice. Send us photos. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.17/1252 - Release Date: 1/30/2008 8:51 PM
[FairfieldLife] Confession -------- Re: Shemp Shemp Shemp -- a must read!
I'm sorry, and I think Rick should ban me for at least a week and maybe even three or more. A whipping with birch branches and a naked roll in the snow should suffice. Send us photos. This one gets my vote as, Post that best 'gets' what the community that is Fairfield Life really IS. We all take turns being the village idiot. Rick smiles upon whoever is wearing the hat this week. So it goes...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Shemp Shemp Shemp -- a must read!
I shall pray for you, sweet Bro. and maybe a little bit for Shemp as well.
- Original Message
From: Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 12:31:30 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Shemp Shemp Shemp -- a must read!
Angela,
I know. I know!
It's madness that overtakes me.
I am resisting, but it is futile -- thanks for the chiding, but all is
lost.
Shemp is going down.
Edg
--- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Angela Mailander
mailander111@ ... wrote:
Edg, what's got into you? I never thought you capable of heaping
humiliation upon anyone's noggin. That's other people's job in this
list. Your job is infinite compassion.
- Original Message
From: Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] s.com
To: FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 12:08:44 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Shemp Shemp Shemp -- a must read!
Shemp,
Oh boy!
I just met this person who knows you personally!
What a bucket full of dirt I'm getting!
Can't wait to write it all up and post it here.
You'll never come here again lest you face the humiliation you're
about to have heaped upon your noggin!
Edg
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Confession -------- Re: Shemp Shemp Shemp -- a must read!
On Jan 31, 2008, at 2:42 PM, Duveyoung wrote: Geeze! Cripes almighty! Sheesh! Talk about getting my karma instantly. Okay, I was just plain old lying. I don't know zip about Shemp. I thought maybe I could lure him into overposting, and then I'd see if Rick would allow it cuz of my having tantalized him so. So, hey, it was a test of Rick's backbone! But all you good hearted folks have tried to save me from myself here, and I'm just twisting in the wind like I wanted Shemp to endure. Can't stand it that you guys are uncomfortable. So I confess -- can't have it on my soul that I concerned the good 'uns so much. I'm sorry, and I think Rick should ban me for at least a week and maybe even three or more. Congrats to Shemp -- if he ever saw the post -- for resisting. Shemp the winner! GAWD -- I'll tell ya, eating crow here, and it doesn't taste like chicken. Big points to Sal for having intuitive radar. I'll be picking bits of tar and feathers off me for a week. You must be stoned on garlic.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Stress Reducer
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, suziezuzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.mensvogue.com/design/articles/2008/02/stresseraser Cool. But there is something wrong with a magazine called Men's Vogue.
[FairfieldLife] Maharishi Mahesh Yogi steps down as head of meditation empire
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[FairfieldLife] Re: CBS News report on Maharish's retirement
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No mention of Nader Ram as successor..hhh. I'm not surprised. CBS News report on Maharish's retirement The Maharishi's movement claims some 6 million people have become practitioners. Copyright 2008 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. 6 million practitioners. That number seems to migrate up in the re- telling. Anyone know how that number is broken down? Used to be there were about 900K N. Americans.
[FairfieldLife] 1000 Pundits to San Diego
http://tinyurl.com/yqopzd http://www.globalgoodnews.com/world-peace-a.html? art=120178947321082366 Thanks to the generous support of well-wishers of our nation, already there are more than 500 Vedic Pandits at Maharishi University of Management and Maharishi Vedic City, Iowa. Now, to generate an irresistible momentum for an Invincible Americaa nation that is safe, prosperous, and free from fear and all negative influences Maharishi has announced his plans to bring an additional 1,500 Pandits from India to America for a total of 1,000 Pandits in Maharishi Vedic City, and 1,000 in San Diego, California. * Vedic Pandits and Vedic Experts in America - Part I by Raja Dr John Konhaus* Global Country of World PeaceTranslate This Article 31 January 2008 For 25 years, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi has been training and supporting the traditional Vedic families of Indiafamilies who have been the custodians of the Vedic knowledge from time immemorial. Thanks to Maharishi, the knowledge of the Vedathe fundamental reverberations of Natural Law, the 'Constitution of the Universe'is being preserved and re-enlivened for the benefit of mankind. Maharishi has trained his Pandits to a new level of proficiency and effectiveness in their Vedic recitation by re-establishing a high level of purity in their physiology and consciousness as the basis of their Vedic knowledge and its expression. From this level of purity and integrity, these traditional practices become effective tools in removing negative influences and in bringing peace, balance, and prosperity to individuals, families and nations. The United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization, UNESCO, has called the revived and restored oral tradition of Vedic chanting an 'intangible heritage of all humanity.' In India, Maharishi has gathered 10,000 Vedic Pandits in one place in the Brahmasthan, or central point of the country, to perform these profoundly harmonizing, deeply enlivening Vedic Yagyas or recitations for the benefit of each nation. And now, as one of his greatest gifts to our nation of America, Maharishi is bringing an historically unprecedented 2,000 traditional, trained Vedic Pandits from India to American soil to perform these Vedic Yagyas, Graha Shanti (enhancing the influence of the planets in our lives as recommended by Maharishi Jyotish), and Rudra Abhishek (enlivening the creative silence and peace in our lives). Thanks to the generous support of well-wishers of our nation, already there are more than 500 Vedic Pandits at Maharishi University of Management and Maharishi Vedic City, Iowa. Now, to generate an irresistible momentum for an Invincible Americaa nation that is safe, prosperous, and free from fear and all negative influences Maharishi has announced his plans to bring an additional 1,500 Pandits from India to America for a total of 1,000 Pandits in Maharishi Vedic City, and 1,000 in San Diego, California. The effect produced by these two large groups of traditional Pandits engaging in their Transcendental Meditation and TM-Sidhi programmes, including Yogic Flying, followed throughout the day by powerful Vedic practices, results in an indomitable upsurge of prosperity, harmony, peace, and all life-supporting qualities. This will create an unstoppable, completely life-supporting quality of life, true Invincibility not only for India and the US but for all nations. This effect from thousands of Pandits performing together has not been seen since the Golden Age of India thousands of years ago. Copyright © 2007 Global Country of World Peace.
[FairfieldLife] Confession -------- Re: Shemp Shemp Shemp -- a must read!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Geeze! Cripes almighty! Sheesh! Talk about getting my karma instantly. Okay, I was just plain old lying. I don't know zip about Shemp. I am sooo taking my Bullshit meter back to the store for a refund and buying whatever model Sal is using! High five for that Sal! Reminds me of practical jokes gone wrong, like the time we secretly filmed an MIU professor having sex with a student and played the tape in LC1 right before class started... Sorry, just testing the new meter. It totally redlined, excellent. I thought maybe I could lure him into overposting, and then I'd see if Rick would allow it cuz of my having tantalized him so. So, hey, it was a test of Rick's backbone! But all you good hearted folks have tried to save me from myself here, and I'm just twisting in the wind like I wanted Shemp to endure. Can't stand it that you guys are uncomfortable. So I confess -- can't have it on my soul that I concerned the good 'uns so much. I'm sorry, and I think Rick should ban me for at least a week and maybe even three or more. Congrats to Shemp -- if he ever saw the post -- for resisting. Shemp the winner! GAWD -- I'll tell ya, eating crow here, and it doesn't taste like chicken. Big points to Sal for having intuitive radar. I'll be picking bits of tar and feathers off me for a week. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Jan 31, 2008, at 12:39 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: I hope you will respect his desire for anonymity Edg. And for my unsolicited 2 cents: I know you disagree with his politics, but I like the guy and I feel kinda creeped out by an agenda for revealing personal information in order to shame someone here. Curtis, I could be wrong, but I think he's kidding. Sal If he is, it is totally working on me! He pushed my earnest button pretty good. I hope you are right.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The two models
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sandiego108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Your problem is that you want to be considered special for being LIKE EVERYONE ELSE ON THE PLANET. :-) this sounds like a fantasy on your part- an ego trip. And it still doesn't explain your insistence that people in your estimation aren't enlightened because they don't *act* enlightened... do you try to *act* enlightened? I don't have to.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi steps down as head of meditation em...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 28, 2008, at 5:32 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/28/08 1:05:52 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Feldman said the Maharishi's work would live on because he has trained tens of thousands of teachers over the years (!). And only re-certified how many? Dunno. Maybe everyone will get reprieves from the maharaja? ;-) Feldman said the Maharishi's work would live on because he has trained tens of thousands of teachers over the years. If this AP wire gets re-printed enough times, it may become true. Is hopeful anyway. the percentage of teachers, who got de-certified in the recent re-cert? 90-95-97% How much will the de-certs still work for his legacy, or not? Jai Guru Dev, -Doug in FF
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi steps down as head of meditation em...
---The best bet for the survival of TM and spreading it to new generations of people is through the existing renegade teachers who will charge a reasonable price consistent with market forces. MMY's plan: bad economics. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Jan 28, 2008, at 5:32 PM, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 1/28/08 1:05:52 P.M. Central Standard Time, vajranatha@ writes: Feldman said the Maharishi's work would live on because he has trained tens of thousands of teachers over the years (!). And only re-certified how many? Dunno. Maybe everyone will get reprieves from the maharaja? ;-) Feldman said the Maharishi's work would live on because he has trained tens of thousands of teachers over the years. If this AP wire gets re-printed enough times, it may become true. Is hopeful anyway. the percentage of teachers, who got de-certified in the recent re-cert? 90-95-97% How much will the de-certs still work for his legacy, or not? Jai Guru Dev, -Doug in FF
[FairfieldLife] Re: CBS News report on Maharish's retirement
mainstream wrote: No mention of Nader Ram as successor... He said Mahesh Yogi's successor, a Lebanese medical doctor known by his given name of Raja Nadar Ram, 'embodies that level of silence in which the whole activity is anchored. Read more: 'Mahesh Yogi Reopens Meditation Centres In Britain' News Post India, January 30, 2008 Wednesday 30th of January 2008
[FairfieldLife] Confession -------- Re: Shemp Shemp Shemp -- a must read!
Okay, I was just plain old lying. I don't know zip about Shemp. Curtis wrote: I am sooo taking my Bullshit meter back to the store for a refund and buying whatever model Sal is using! And they called me a nutcase! This takes the first prize. What a waste of time. Go figure.
[FairfieldLife] Before TM
2008-01-31
Thread
Samadhi Is Much Closer Than You Think -- Really! -- It's A No-Brainer. Who'd've Thunk It?
Does anyone have a brief description and/or link of MMY's experience with yoga/meditation before establishing TM? A bit more than having spent two years in seclusion or as a longtime secretary to a leading Hindu sage. What other journeys and explorations did he have before establishing TM? *When you assume a threshold of being that is expansive enough to contain the universe, then the universe is within you, accessible in whole along with all its talents and charms. Do not hesitate another moment to acknowledge this loving magnanimity within you and express this satyam through your service to humanity.* ** *Now that you know this sublime truth, the world awaits your advent, now.*
[FairfieldLife] Veterans of Life
dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Yes, that's told very special. Thanks, is a great story. I showed it around my household and everyone was blown away in turn. What life does bring. What a great story of courage. That was only 60 years ago all that happened. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0HVg1kCpxU The folks you mention below, and my folks, are incredibly resistant individuals, people of true character. We've been lucky to know them. Marek I `ve, always liked good real stories. Good real moral character type stories. Stories where stands gets made on moral grounds of virtue. Stories that show a virtuous presence of mind that has resolute a nature in life. In human life often we are not called on to make hard or extraordinary choices and often the good stories of life are those where people stand out or stand in front of something by moral force. By something of moral human character inside. Good stories of moral character; when i first was traveling and visiting around Fairfield about 30 years ago I did run across what i saw then as a likely good story. I mentally filed it away then and came back to it in the last few years to really look see what was there. There's a pretty good character story that was happening all around here featuring regular people back in the early settlement years of Iowa. A lot of character was shown then by some. A lot of the stories from then were languishing in recent time as I was coming along to them again. I think they are really pretty good in character. So in process as I was learning of and hearing them, I started to compile some of them and put their original voice out on the internet. I now have a little page on the under ground rail road in Iowa with them. People seem to recognize like the stories too for what they are. This simple web page seems to get a lot of hits without much of any promotion. The material is what it is as old stories they have taken on a new modern life as such. You might like them too. There evidently was a lot of spirituality, high thinking and moral character here long before, meditators did show up. Just for fun diversion I'd share them with you, take a look at: http://www.icelandichorse.info/salemfugitiveslaves.html -Doug in FF Good stories often turn on a presence of mind that has someone stand resolved. Well told stories do tell what someone was thinking or doing `walking in those shoes' and sometimes a good story just helps you stand where someone stood for a moment. I liked the story about your parents as it is told. It is a good story. Different than just animal fight or flight, people can have their character of a soul to account for. How that gets accounted for often makes story. Your parents story is a great modern one. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/162641 Jai, -Doug in FF Marek Reavis reavismarek@ wrote: Thanks, Doug, it's been lucky for me and my brother and sister that our folks have shared their memories as thoroughly as they have, and that they're still available to resource despite their age. It's impossible to imagine the hardships and violence that so many people in the 20th C. endured; I can't, at least. The folks you mention below, and my folks, are incredibly resistant individuals, people of true character. We've been lucky to know them. Marek Doug writing: I remember an obituary last year published in the FF Ledger for Harriet Berman's mother here. It was written in a common way, that she was fun and a great game player and active in her later life and such. The un-expanded part of the obituary was that she grew up Jewish, in 1930's occupied Poland. I wondered then if the family had her story as she saw it. Her MSAE grandson from FF then has now become a professional journalist elsewhere, I wondered then if he had collected it or if it had come to be too late. There seemed to be an untold character story in the obituary. Certainly some veterans of those times only wish to go on in life putting it behind them in their privacy. That generation is passing fast now. My wife's dad was with the first army medical unit to arrive at Dachau as US troops arrived and found it. He has a scrap book with photos and articles about it from then. But now his own memory is rickety and about all gone. At Revelations used bookstore here a while back I bought a used book about all the concentration and work camps of Nazi Germany, in real nice shape that had clippings from the war carefully folded in to the book. Evidently from someone's (from around here?) estate or collection who seems to have been there. In town here we have a kind old guy who as a skilled handy-man takes care of appliances. As a boy he was displaced with
[FairfieldLife] Confession -------- Re: Shemp Shemp Shemp -- a must read!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay, I was just plain old lying. I don't know zip about Shemp. Curtis wrote: I am sooo taking my Bullshit meter back to the store for a refund and buying whatever model Sal is using! And they called me a nutcase! This takes the first prize. What a waste of time. Go figure. If I have learned one thing from posting here Richard, it is that the useful distinction here isn't nutcase or not. It is entertaining or otherwise. I'll put you down as a solid entertaining.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The two models
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sandiego108 sandiego108@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Your problem is that you want to be considered special for being LIKE EVERYONE ELSE ON THE PLANET. :-) this sounds like a fantasy on your part- an ego trip. And it still doesn't explain your insistence that people in your estimation aren't enlightened because they don't *act* enlightened... do you try to *act* enlightened? I don't have to. I think I just threw up in my mouth a little bit...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Before TM
---MMY was into Scientology before establishing TM, and had numerous secret meetings with L. Ron Hubbard in various places such as Tibet, Calcutta, and even China: Hubbard sometimes displayed attitudes that were at odds with the picture his followers try to present of him. For instance, during his visit to China at the age of seventeen, he made diary entries such as: As a Chinaman can not live up to a thing, he always drags it down.[11] and They smell of all the baths they didnt [sic] take. The trouble with China is, there are too many chinks here.[11][21] Similarly, Hubbard described the Tibetan Buddhist temples as miserably cold and very shabby . . . The people worshiping have voices like bull- frogs and beat a drum and play a brass horn to accompany their singing (?)[11] and called them very odd and heathenish.[22] He also wrote about colored people in Scientology: Fundamentals of Thought : Unlike the yellow and brown people, the white does not usually believe he can get attention from matter or objects. The yellow and brown believe for the most part ... that rocks, trees, walls, etc., can give them attention[23] and ...so we see the African tribesman, with his complete contempt for the truth, and his emphasis on brutality and savagery...[24] In the 2007 edition of the book, primitive is substituted for African in the passage just mentioned. While such attitudes might not be especially surprising for a white teenager born in 1911, they are vastly at odds with the stories he would later tell and his followers would repeat: Among other wonders, Ron told of watching monks meditate for weeks on end, contemplating higher truths ... he took advantage of this unique opportunity to study Far Eastern culture. ... he befriended and learned ... a thoroughly insightful Beijing magician who represented the last of the line of Chinese magicians from the court of Kublai Khan. ... Old Mayo was also well versed in China's ancient wisdom that had been handed down from generation to generation. Ron passed many evenings in the company of such wise men, eagerly absorbing their words ... he closely examined the surrounding culture. In addition to the local Tartar tribes, he spent time with nomadic bandits originally from Mongolia ... [t]hese sojourns in Asia and the Pacific islands had a profound effect, giving Ron a subjective understanding of Eastern philosophy ... the world itself was his classroom, and he studied in it voraciously, recording what he saw and learned in his ever-present diaries, which he carefully preserved for future reference.[25][26] Does anyone have a brief description and/or link of MMY's experience with yoga/meditation before establishing TM? A bit more than having spent two years in seclusion or as a longtime secretary to a leading Hindu sage. What other journeys and explorations did he have before establishing TM? *When you assume a threshold of being that is expansive enough to contain the universe, then the universe is within you, accessible in whole along with all its talents and charms. Do not hesitate another moment to acknowledge this loving magnanimity within you and express this satyam through your service to humanity.* ** *Now that you know this sublime truth, the world awaits your advent, now.*
[FairfieldLife] Confession -------- Re: Shemp Shemp Shemp -- a must read!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And they called me a nutcase! Only in a praire dog tacoish eating way.
