[FairfieldLife] 8 years of Bush in 8 minutes -- Keith Olbermann
It really makes one want to believe in karma, and that at some point all of his will come back to him. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vTFesgMkzk No wonder he bought property in Paraguay. It may turn out that the only way he can live out the rest of his life without being dragged out of his hideyhole and lynched by angry mobs is to be in another country, surrounded by paid mercenaries.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Our world may be a giant hologram
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Although I really, really don't want to get into an intellectual circle jerk about the nature of life as a hologram, I will say that based on my own personal experiences, I have no problem with the concept. In all of my highest experiences in this incarn- ation -- both chemically-induced and not -- the world looked to me *like* a hologram. I would try to focus on something and all I could see were those pixel-like dots of light you see when you closely examine a physical hologram. The dots have no substance per se. They are, in fact, the difference tones of the intersections of light. And I could definitely see the light shining through them. What drug were you on when you had this vision? If so, then we shouldn't accept the vision as part of reality. I'm replying only because of the insufferable arrogance and stupidity of this comment, not because I have anything to prove. First, it wasn't a vision, whether back in the late 60s under the influence of LSD or psilocybin or over the last 30 years, during Unity experiences that occurred as a result of meditation or other spiritual (non-drug) experiences. It was just how my vision *worked* during those experiences. That is how reality *looked* during those exper- iences, not some fleeting vision. Some- times this lasted for weeks. But the really amazing thing from my point of view is the arrogance and stupidity of someone who wouldn't accept the vision as part of reality if it happened as a result of drugs. WTF? What would such an experience be part OF, eh? What a dolt. If there was no drugs involved, then the vision may have scientific significance or explanation for it. For those who are less arrogant, stupid and judgmental, the experience would have scientific validity no matter *what* caused it. Only someone with an enormous chip on his shoulder and and equally huge ego would see drug experiences of a spiritual nature as non scientific and only those that happened as the result of non-drug spiritual practices as scientifically significant. Sometimes the arrogance, prudery, elitism and bull- headedness of long-term TMers astounds even me. Even *Maharishi* talked about the validity of drug experiences, and used to give long talks on the possibility that soma was a physical substance that could have been ingested back in Vedic times. I assume that JohnR would listen to those tapes and decide that they shouldn't be included as part of reality. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Speak Norwegian to a porcelain duck??
As a conscious victim of a TV commercial, I decided to taste the famous Danish blue cheese, Blue Castello. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Castello (I think it has only 40-something percent of fat, though...) Was quite surprized that after a couple of minutes of tasting it for the first time, my rather persistent mild/moderate heart burn disappered almost totally! The only explanation I could come up with was that the Penicillium molds in that cheese somehow weaken(?) da Helicobacterium pylori, that prolly is the main cause of my stomach troubles. Just bought another package of that cheese, this time the stronger(?) Black Castello. It seems to have more of the molds or somewhat different species of them, and perhaps because of that its after taste is a bit like that of having thrown up recently. That reminded me of a funny euphemism for throwing up, namely puhua (poo-hoo-ah) norjaa (norr-yah) posliini-ankalle* (poss-lee-nee - unkulleh), which means something like to speak Norwegian to a porcelain duck. I guess that might be an international expression, so to speak, for that activity... *) the allative form from 'ankka' (unk-kah: duck), with the *weak* inflectional stem 'anka-' and the -lle -ending of the allative case (to, onto, for, etc.)
[FairfieldLife] Giving birth as a lesson in interdependent origination
Dependent origination or dependent arising or, as I prefer, interdependent origination is an important concept in Buddhism. Common to all schools, it states that phenomena arise together in a mutually interdependent web of cause and effect. [ link at the end for the curious ] In other words, this is in direct opposition to New Age philosophies that state that We create our reality. I find such philosophies silly, and have to admit to not having a great deal of respect for them or their proponents. If what they claimed were true, then all that one would have to do is wish for something intently, and it would happen. But it doesn't. Sometimes the world has its own ideas about what should happen, and sometimes the world's ideas win. I think that even the most New Age-leaning bliss- ninny would have to admit the reality of this. If all that were required for world peace was Maharishi willing it, it would have happened long ago. In the last few hours or so, I have been watching from afar my best friend going through a lesson in the nature of interdependent origination. She is across town (I am not the father, and she is with her new family and -- thankfully -- the care of two midwives who have helped to deliver thousands of babies), and I am here at home, trying to not pace the halls like the guys in 1950s movies or run out and buy a pack of cigarettes and smoke them. :-) [ For the record, allow me to bow deeply to all of the women on this forum -- and in the world -- who have given birth. You have a strength I doubt that I or any man could ever have. ] It has been a long and hard birth. And interestingly, because my friend believes very *much* in this We create our own reality philosophy, and is very much a control freak, the hardest part for her has been letting go and realizing that external reality -- in this case her own body and its need to do things *its* way, and not the way her mind wants things done -- has been emotional. She has had a really hard time just surrendering to the urges of external reality, and surrendering control. That phase of things seems now to be past, and she's in the push stage of giving birth, and I'm sitting here meditating and beaming as many good vibes to her as humanly possible, to add as much of my own positive external reality to the mix as possible. But, being the sometimes analytical quasi-Buddhist that I am, I cannot help but relate this experience to interdependent origination. Sure, we all have our wishes and our desires and our intent, but that is IMO (and in the opinion of Buddhists) NOT the only factor at work. There is *also* external reality, and it is *real* reality. It *does* exist; it *isn't* just illusion that can be shaped by our minds. Life is a give and take between what we want and what this very real external reality wants. And I suspect that my friend is getting a lesson in this. I also suspect that, as a result, when I get the call that the baby is born and I get to go visit I'll be meeting *two* people I've never met before, not just one. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dependent_origination
[FairfieldLife] Maharishi films
I was sent the following e mail was unable to watch the first film on the 1960 course posted by an old friend Ulla Blucher. I wonder if these links (not all posted here) have already appeared on this site and whether any of you good folks have been more successful than I was. It downloaded for ages but I never could click on anything to see a film. I would appreciate any help. Thank you. ;ove, David Fiske Maharishi Films1969_Maharishi_in_India_Ma Andamayi_Blucher http://www.spiritualregeneration.org/Flash/1969_Maharishi_in_India.swf Frohe Weihnachten und ein glückliches Neues Jahr Herzlichst Elfriede Pietsch Ja, hier sind ganz viele lectures und digitalisiert auf mp3 und so.Über Weihnachten anhören!Hans aus Köln Hans Bruncken Mobil: 0163 160 9117 --- Theo Fehr t.f...@tm-independent.de schrieb am So, 21.12.2008:Von: Theo Fehr t.f...@tm-independent.deBetreff: Fw: Incredible collection of talks by MaharishiAn: Hans Bruncken hansbrunc...@yahoo.deDatum: Sonntag, 21. Dezember 2008, 13:45 MENGEN an Material !! LGTheo - Original Message - From: F R Anklesaria To: anklesa...@bestagainststress.com Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 2:45 AMSubject: Fwd: Incredible collection of talks by Maharishi Guru Dev and Maharishi Audios and Videos http://www.spiritualregeneration.org/ http://www.spiritualregeneration.org/Guru Dev Audio Lectures and Singing 195219520300_Lucknow,India_Guru_Dev_Discourse_Part 1of4 http://www.spiritualregeneration.org/audios/19520300_LucknowIndia_Guru_Dev_Discourse_Part1of4.mp3 19520300_Lucknow,India_Guru_Dev_Discourse_Part 2of4 http://www.spiritualregeneration.org/audios/19520300_LucknowIndia_Guru_Dev_Discourse_Part2of4.mp3 19520300_Lucknow,India_Guru_Dev_Discourse_Part 3of4 http://www.spiritualregeneration.org/audios/19520300_LucknowIndia_Guru_Dev_Discourse_Part3of4.mp3 19520300_Lucknow,India_Guru_Dev_Discourse_Part 4of4 http://www.spiritualregeneration.org/audios/19520300_LucknowIndia_Guru_Dev_Discourse_Part4of4.mp3 19520300_Lucknow,India_Guru_Dev_sings_Bhaja_Govindam http://www.spiritualregeneration.org/audios/19520300_LucknowIndia_Guru_Dev_sings_Bhaja_Govindam.mp3 19520300_Lucknow,India_Guru_Dev_sings_Guru Pranam http://www.spiritualregeneration.org/audios/19520300_LucknowIndia_Guru_Dev_sings_GuruPranam.mp3 19520300_Lucknow,India_Guru_Dev_sings_Narmada http://www.spiritualregeneration.org/audios/19520300_LucknowIndia_Guru_Dev_sings_Narmada.mp3 19520300_Lucknow,India_Guru_Dev_sings_Stotram http://www.spiritualregeneration.org/audios/19520300_LucknowIndia_Guru_Dev_sings_Stotram.mp3 Maharishi Films1969_Maharishi_in_India_Ma Andamayi_Blucher http://www.spiritualregeneration.org/Flash/1969_Maharishi_in_India.swf Across The Universe Slideshow http://www.spiritualregeneration.org/Flash/AccrossTheUniverseFionaAppleVer.swf Maharishi on Love and Guru Dev http://www.spiritualregeneration.org/Flash/MMYonLoveGDBeginning.swf --- Maharishi Audios Audio Lectures 19591959_Glow.mp3 http://www.spiritualregeneration.org/audios/1959_Glow.mp3 1959_Grace_1of2 http://www.spiritualregeneration.org/audios/1959_Grace_1of2.mp3 1959_Grace_2of2 http://www.spiritualregeneration.org/audios/1959_Grace_2of2.mp3 1959_Karma_Reincarnation_1of2 http://www.spiritualregeneration.org/audios/1959_Karma_Reincarnation_1of2.mp3 1959_Karma_Reincarnation_2of2 http://www.spiritualregeneration.org/audios/1959_Karma_Reincarnation_2of2.mp3 1959_Pathless_Path_1of3 http://www.spiritualregeneration.org/audios/1959_Pathless_Path_tape1of3.mp3 1959_Pathless_Path_2of3 http://www.spiritualregeneration.org/audios/1959_Pathless_Path_tape2of3.mp3 1959_Pathless_Path_3of3 http://www.spiritualregeneration.org/audios/1959_Pathless_Path_tape3of3.mp3 1959_QA http://www.spiritualregeneration.org/audios/1959_Qamp;A.mp3 19590502_Hollywood,USA_Healing_Power_of_Deep_Meditation http://www.spiritualregeneration.org/audios/19590502_HollywoodUSA_Healing_Power_of_Deep_Meditation_vinyl.mp3 19590716_SF_USA_Value_of_mantras http://www.spiritualregeneration.org/audios/19590716_SF,USA_Value_of_mantras.mp3 19590716_SF_Spirtual_Unfoldment http://www.spiritualregeneration.org/audios/19590716_SF_Spirtual_Unfoldment.mp3 19590720_MMY With Dr Hislop 108Names of Guru Dev http://www.spiritualregeneration.org/audios/19590720_MMYWithDrHislop108NamesGD_clean.mp3 19591117_Los_Angeles_MeditationPath_Yoga_1of2 http://www.spiritualregeneration.org/audios/19591117_Los_Angeles_MeditationPath_Yoga_1of2.mp3 19591117_Los_Angeles_MeditationPath_Yoga_2of2 http://www.spiritualregeneration.org/audios/19591117_Los_Angeles_MeditationPath_Yoga_2of2.mp3 19591960_God-Realization http://www.spiritualregeneration.org/audios/19591960_God-Realization.mp3
[FairfieldLife] Re: I've got it over Peter now
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_re...@... wrote: Ha ha ha, I friggin' hate my so called 'state of the art Mac' that I was forced to buy a couple of months ago. Among other things, in cold weather is it sits in the car, the aluminum gets so cold that it takes forever to start up. Subjecting the lithium ion batteries used in electronics to freezing temperatures is not a good idea. I ruined a new cellphone battery in my last phone by leaving it out in the cold truck when I was in the gym.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Our world may be a giant hologram
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Although I really, really don't want to get into an intellectual circle jerk about the nature of life as a hologram, I will say that based on my own personal experiences, I have no problem with the concept. In all of my highest experiences in this incarn- ation -- both chemically-induced and not -- the world looked to me *like* a hologram. I would try to focus on something and all I could see were those pixel-like dots of light you see when you closely examine a physical hologram. The dots have no substance per se. They are, in fact, the difference tones of the intersections of light. And I could definitely see the light shining through them. What drug were you on when you had this vision? If so, then we shouldn't accept the vision as part of reality. I'm replying only because of the insufferable arrogance and stupidity of this comment, not because I have anything to prove. First, it wasn't a vision, whether back in the late 60s under the influence of LSD or psilocybin or over the last 30 years, during Unity experiences that occurred as a result of meditation or other spiritual (non-drug) experiences. It was just how my vision *worked* during those experiences. That is how reality *looked* during those exper- iences, not some fleeting vision. Some- times this lasted for weeks. But the really amazing thing from my point of view is the arrogance and stupidity of someone who wouldn't accept the vision as part of reality if it happened as a result of drugs. WTF? What would such an experience be part OF, eh? What a dolt. If there was no drugs involved, then the vision may have scientific significance or explanation for it. For those who are less arrogant, stupid and judgmental, the experience would have scientific validity no matter *what* caused it. Only someone with an enormous chip on his shoulder and and equally huge ego would see drug experiences of a spiritual nature as non scientific and only those that happened as the result of non-drug spiritual practices as scientifically significant. Sometimes the arrogance, prudery, elitism and bull- headedness of long-term TMers astounds even me. Even *Maharishi* talked about the validity of drug experiences, and used to give long talks on the possibility that soma was a physical substance that could have been ingested back in Vedic times. I assume that JohnR would listen to those tapes and decide that they shouldn't be included as part of reality. :-) Guru Dev also referred to such drugs and their abilities in his encounters with other ascetics during his time in the forest. Various kinds of sidhhis are come to be seen by means of drugs. When Iwas staying in the jungles, on several occasions Kola and Bhil (tribal peoples) came and informed me of the properties of drugs. One time a Bhil brought one such which would make a tiger senseless who saw only a little of it from afar. By means of drugs a human being can live several hundred years. By means of drugs many siddhis can come. So there are also drugs that give the strength to fly for the one who put it in the mouth. [Shri Shankaracharya UpadeshAmrita kaNa 35 of 108] translation - Paul Mason http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/upadesh.htm#kaNa35
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I've got it over Peter now
--- On Sun, 1/18/09, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: I've got it over Peter now To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, January 18, 2009, 8:18 AM --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_re...@... wrote: Ha ha ha, I friggin' hate my so called 'state of the art Mac' that I was forced to buy a couple of months ago. Among other things, in cold weather is it sits in the car, the aluminum gets so cold that it takes forever to start up. Subjecting the lithium ion batteries used in electronics to freezing temperatures is not a good idea. I ruined a new cellphone battery in my last phone by leaving it out in the cold truck when I was in the gym. Silly human. Off is not of this world and therefore not subject to the peer reviewed limitations of this small planet and its foolish physics. To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
[FairfieldLife] Re: Our world may be a giant hologram
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Although I really, really don't want to get into an intellectual circle jerk about the nature of life as a hologram, I will say that based on my own personal experiences, I have no problem with the concept. In all of my highest experiences in this incarn- ation -- both chemically-induced and not -- the world looked to me *like* a hologram. I would try to focus on something and all I could see were those pixel-like dots of light you see when you closely examine a physical hologram. The dots have no substance per se. They are, in fact, the difference tones of the intersections of light. And I could definitely see the light shining through them. I remember seeing a scientific explanation of the atoms in our bodies being so small and relative to their size the space between them is so vast that for the most part our bodies are made up of mostly empty space. That taken together with the idea that the atoms themselves are specific vibrations of energy, then it becomes easier to think of the whole thing as some kind of ephemeral expression or projection - much like a movie observed on a screen where distinct substance and forms appear to be real - but when closely analyzed are shown to be nothing more than varying shades of light reflecting off of a blank surface. The fascinating thing about my recurring experience -- and please note that I make no claims *about* the experience or what it might mean; I'm just reporting on the experience -- is that there was no screen. If there had been, watching a movie would have been a more appropriate metaphor than viewing a hologram. Holograms, whether cap- tured in a two-dimensional sheet of film or projected out into three-dimensional space (and I've seen both) don't *have* a screen. And yet the image is there anyway. Look closely at the image, and you can see that it isn't really there, and that all that IS there are these dancing pinpoints of light. It's neat. Same with whatever I experienced visually. The mountains are still there, only what is predominant is that they don't seem solid. Instead, they have the same there but not there quality that hologrammic images have, and the closer you look, the more that you see that all that is there are dancing pinpoints of light. As I said, it's neat. But does it mean anything? Beats the shit outa me. I'm of the opinion that one can have and appreciate experiences just AS experiences, without searching for meaning in them or looking at them as any kind of milestone or achievement or symptom of some state of consciousness that some old guys talked about. It was what it was -- neat. I leave it up to others who like that sorta thing to declare whether neat is a Good Thing or a Bad Thing. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Hudson plane-ditch video
Bharat2 wrote: Sorry for the digression but then that seems to be the style of FFL posting anyway. :-D On Saturday night when you don't have a date? :-D
[FairfieldLife] Re: 8 years of Bush in 8 minutes -- Keith Olbermann
TurquoiseB wrote: It really makes one want to believe in karma, and that at some point all of his will come back to him. 'TurquoiseB' = 'TB' = 'True Believer'. LOL! Bush showed America's enemies a country that does not retreat in fear, does not bomb with impunity, and most important, does not desert civilians or foreign governments that trust us. If you think that doesn't matter, look at Libya, which disarmed its weapons program. And see how much easier Obama's presidency will be, because Bush kept the faith. Osama bin Laden may live, most likely quivering in a cave. But no one thinks America is a paper tiger anymore. Read more: 'Bush showed U.S. is no paper tiger' by Debra J. Saunders San Francisco Chronicle, January 18, 2009 http://tinyurl.com/8medkr
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hudson plane-ditch video
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: If anybody's interested, the Coast Guard has released video of the plane ditching in the Hudson on Thursday. (Note that the plane doesn't make its appearance until 2 minutes in.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiIZUF6oN-A It's quite a stunning video. What's amazing is if you look at the counter at the bottom of the screen: 1) how fast they got out of the plane; and 2) how fast the boats came for them.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hudson plane-ditch video
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal l.shad...@... wrote: On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 3:07 PM, authfriend jst...@... wrote: P.S.: The captain of one of the three ferries seen carefully maneuvering around the plane is a 20-year- old woman. Most probably twice the man that Barry is... LOL!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hudson plane-ditch video
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal l.shad...@... wrote: On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 3:22 PM, John jr_...@... wrote: It's a miracle that the plane did not breakup like the other videos of crash landings in the news. If the people were in the water, they could have died from hypothermia within five minutes or so. I am endlessly bemused when I fly across the continental divide. There you've got people who have checked their coats (if they had any) and are flying over the Rockies wearing shorts and tee shirts. Heck, I won't even drive to the local convenience at high altitudes without blankets, bedding, down clothes, MREs and fuel in the trunk. ...and here in the desert, I never have less than 3 gallons of water in the trunk...
[FairfieldLife] Compassionate Conservatism
When Bush introduced that term into the lexicon during his first presidential campaign in 2000, I assumed it meant that citizens should use volunteerism to help out those less fortunate...something like his father's 1,000 points of light policy. Little did I know that compassionate conservatism meant borrow and spend liberalism, the first cousin of tax and spend liberalism...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Our world may be a giant hologram
TurquoiseB wrote: It was what it was -- neat. I leave it up to others who like that sorta thing to declare whether neat is a Good Thing or a Bad Thing. It was what it was - a neat 'golden light' as he levitated up and hovered above the stage? LOL! From: Jeff Ridley Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: Hypersuggestibility http://tinyurl.com/9arcqk I am an expert in the world of the supremely happy because I am happy. I've never met anybody as happy as I am. - Freddy Lenz Quotations from Zen Master Rama: From: Buddhist Monk Newsgroups: alt.meditation, alt.meditation.transcendental Date: Sun, Jan 22 2006 11:19 pm Subject: Who Was Rama? http://tinyurl.com/9r9cd2 From: George DeForest Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: Fri, Feb 8 2002 5:11 pm Subject: Re: Zen Master Rama committed suicide http://tinyurl.com/8nove4
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hudson plane-ditch video
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcg...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: If anybody's interested, the Coast Guard has released video of the plane ditching in the Hudson on Thursday. (Note that the plane doesn't make its appearance until 2 minutes in.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiIZUF6oN-A It's quite a stunning video. What's amazing is if you look at the counter at the bottom of the screen: 1) how fast they got out of the plane; and 2) how fast the boats came for them. Yup. They were coming out of the plane less than 45 seconds after the plane hit the water, and the first ferry arrived only 4 minutes after it hit. The NTSB says the captain of the plane deliberately put the plane down between the ferry slips on the NY and NJ sides of the river because he knew that would make for the fastest rescue. That's impressive enough, but what really knocks me out is the skill of the ferry pilots in manuevering those big heavy boats so close to the plane without bumping into it. Coast Guard cutters and smaller rescue boats are designed for that kind of delicate maneuvering, but ferries sure aren't. Ferry crews do train for rescue operations, but not from a big downed jet with over 150 passengers. Just spectacular. And late last night, they managed to haul the plane out of the water and lift it onto a barge in one piece. That in itself is a huge feat. Damn thing weighed over a million pounds with all the water in it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: rishi devata chhandas sattva rajas tamas
Jack Smith wrote: In the process of creation, how do they relate to each other? They are not related, Jack. The notion of the 'gunas', constituents of nature, comes from the Sankhya philosophy, described by Kapila. There is no 'creation' in the Sankhya doctrine. There is Purusha, which stands alone, eternal and unchanghing, and there is prakriti, governed by three gunas and thirty-two consituents, comprising the whole in one easily comprehended matrix of change. The two are totally separate - one being an object of knowledge and the other being the witnessing Subject, the Transcendental Person. And from the contrast with that which is composed of the three constituents, there follows, for the Purusha, the character of Being, a witness; freedom from misery, neutrality, percipience, and non-agency. - Kapila Read more: Subject: Agreed! From: Willytex Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental, alt.meditation Date: Wed, Mar 10 2004 http://tinyurl.com/82ogwm
[FairfieldLife] Re: Giving birth as a lesson in interdependent origination
TurquoiseB wrote: There is *also* external reality, and it is *real* reality. It *does* exist; it *isn't* just illusion that can be shaped by our minds... Poor Turq, sometimes he gets so mixed up. It is due to 'causation' that things and events have no substance and are devoid of own-being. All things are insubstantial; that's why Shankara was accused of being a 'crypto Buddhist' - he taught that things are an 'appearance only', thus apparently agreeing with the historical Buddha. Because all things are thus conditioned and transient (anicca), they have no real independent identity (anatta) and thus do not truly exist, though to ordinary minds this appears to be the case. All phenomena are therefore fundamentally insubstantial and empty (sunya). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dependent_origination
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hudson plane-ditch video
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: snip That's impressive enough, but what really knocks me out is the skill of the ferry pilots in manuevering those big heavy boats so close to the plane without bumping into it. Coast Guard cutters and smaller rescue boats are designed for that kind of delicate maneuvering, but ferries sure aren't. Ferry crews do train for rescue operations, but not from a big downed jet with over 150 passengers. The 20-year-old ferry captain, Brittany Catanzaro (two years out of high school!), was piloting the second ferry to reach the plane. On the video it appears to come from upriver, but actually it came from the NJ side just across from the plane, moved diagonally till it was directly upriver from the plane, then turned around and approached it from there. Once it arrived, it again turned around in place, so its stern was next to the plane's left wing. You can see it doing that in the video. What went on in the cockpit is fascinating, but I'd also love to hear what was going on in the wheelhouses of those ferries. I hope they do interviews with the ferry captains as well as the plane's captain. On WNBC-TV's Web site, at the left near the top of the page, there's a link, View Gallery, to a series of some of the best photos I've seen of the rescue operation, as well as the salvage of the plane: http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/us_world/Plane-Too-Low-Too-Slow-To- Land-At-Airport-Pilot-Says.html http://tinyurl.com/6sslc9
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hudson plane-ditch video
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcg...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal L.Shaddai@ wrote: On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 3:07 PM, authfriend jstein@ wrote: P.S.: The captain of one of the three ferries seen carefully maneuvering around the plane is a 20-year- old woman. Most probably twice the man that Barry is... LOL! I'm not sure about twice, but I am not insecure, so I have no problem admitting that there are women in the world who are at least the man I am. http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gen/58779/original.jpg This is Brazilian model and actress Patricia Araujo. Once you have finished drooling, look her up on Google.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hudson plane-ditch video
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal L.Shaddai@ wrote: On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 3:07 PM, authfriend jstein@ wrote: P.S.: The captain of one of the three ferries seen carefully maneuvering around the plane is a 20-year- old woman. Most probably twice the man that Barry is... LOL! I'm not sure about twice, but I am not insecure, so I have no problem admitting that there are women in the world who are at least the man I am. http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gen/58779/original.jpg This is Brazilian model and actress Patricia Araujo. Once you have finished drooling, look her up on Google. Oh shucks! Has she had a Jacko nose job??
[FairfieldLife] Re: Our world may be a giant hologram
John Manning wrote: Guru Dev also referred to such drugs and their abilities in his encounters with other ascetics during his time in the forest... Is that so? Well I'll be damned! Mr. Tex seems to refer to himself with the 'title' of 'adept'. He appears to be a true 'adept' ...at lying. What an honor. Apparently the 'enlightenment', he claims he got from psylocybin, didn't do very much for him in the truth department. I find it amazing Tom - that so few sincere TMers here, besides yourself, do not call him on his act. From: John Manning Subject: Re: Everyone Knows Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: September 14, 2002 Do you like to hunt? There's some decent hunting not far from Austin. It could look like an accident. Willy, that's the best idea your drug burned out brain has had in months. From: Tom Pall Subject: Re: Everyone Knows Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: September 15, 20002
[FairfieldLife] Re: Compassionate Conservatism
shempmcgurk wrote: Little did I know that compassionate conservatism meant borrow and spend liberalism, the first cousin of tax and spend liberalism... Maybe so, but 'compassionate conservatism' looks like an ant-hill compared to the mountain of give-aways the Dems want to implement! Their wish list is long. Charlie Rangel, chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee, has said he would like to redistribute a trillion dollars through the tax code, including massive tax hikes on capital accumulation and individual entrepreneurship. Labor unions want to take away the right of a worker to a secret ballot in organizing elections. Radical environmentalists demand strict curbs on energy production and use. Hillary Clinton may have lost the primary, but expect Democrats to push her favorite idea: government-run heath care. Read more: 'Compassionate' Conservatism Was a Mistake' By Dick Armey Wall Street Journal, November 7, 2008 http://tinyurl.com/6kvzj5
[FairfieldLife] Re: Compassionate Conservatism
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willy...@... wrote: shempmcgurk wrote: Little did I know that compassionate conservatism meant borrow and spend liberalism, the first cousin of tax and spend liberalism... Maybe so, but 'compassionate conservatism' looks like an ant-hill compared to the mountain of give-aways the Dems want to implement! Sorry, Richard, we can't say that any longer. Under Bush, the federal budget went from just under $2 trillion in Clinton's last year to well over $3 trillion just before the bailouts started...that's more than a 50% increase! And the deficit! Please. Under Bush, there were numerous years of $400 and $500 billion annual deficits. We never, ever saw that under Clinton or other Democrats. We can't blame the Democrats any longer. This happened not only under Bush but under Bush and for at least half of those 8 years with a full Republican Senate and House. Bush and the Republicans didn't prove to be as bad as the Democrats when it came to spending...THEY WERE WORSE! And who started all this bailout crap? Republicans. Bush said last week: I had to abandon my free market principles. Well fuck you, George, YOU NEVER HAD THEM! Of course, liberals on this forum should love Bush for being the borrow, tax, and spend liberal that he is, just like them. Their wish list is long. Charlie Rangel, chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee, has said he would like to redistribute a trillion dollars through the tax code, including massive tax hikes on capital accumulation and individual entrepreneurship. Labor unions want to take away the right of a worker to a secret ballot in organizing elections. Radical environmentalists demand strict curbs on energy production and use. Hillary Clinton may have lost the primary, but expect Democrats to push her favorite idea: government-run heath care. Read more: 'Compassionate' Conservatism Was a Mistake' By Dick Armey Wall Street Journal, November 7, 2008 http://tinyurl.com/6kvzj5
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hudson plane-ditch video
I hope they do interviews with the ferry captains as well as the plane's captain. The boat captains on commercial boats I have done shows all project the same supreme competence that airplane pilots have. I think a certain type of person is attracted to this kind of job. They have usually spent a lot of time on the water facing weather in small boats and get pretty steely. No matter how much younger than me they are, I automatically assume they are older. They remind me of the kind of person who has no problem going out to the barn in 20 below weather to assist in a difficult birth for one of their cows. People who were more serious about life before they were 12 than I will ever be. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip That's impressive enough, but what really knocks me out is the skill of the ferry pilots in manuevering those big heavy boats so close to the plane without bumping into it. Coast Guard cutters and smaller rescue boats are designed for that kind of delicate maneuvering, but ferries sure aren't. Ferry crews do train for rescue operations, but not from a big downed jet with over 150 passengers. The 20-year-old ferry captain, Brittany Catanzaro (two years out of high school!), was piloting the second ferry to reach the plane. On the video it appears to come from upriver, but actually it came from the NJ side just across from the plane, moved diagonally till it was directly upriver from the plane, then turned around and approached it from there. Once it arrived, it again turned around in place, so its stern was next to the plane's left wing. You can see it doing that in the video. What went on in the cockpit is fascinating, but I'd also love to hear what was going on in the wheelhouses of those ferries. I hope they do interviews with the ferry captains as well as the plane's captain. On WNBC-TV's Web site, at the left near the top of the page, there's a link, View Gallery, to a series of some of the best photos I've seen of the rescue operation, as well as the salvage of the plane: http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/us_world/Plane-Too-Low-Too-Slow-To- Land-At-Airport-Pilot-Says.html http://tinyurl.com/6sslc9
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hudson plane-ditch video
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: I hope they do interviews with the ferry captains as well as the plane's captain. The boat captains on commercial boats I have done shows all project the same supreme competence that airplane pilots have. I think a certain type of person is attracted to this kind of job. While I completely agree, I pass along a tidbit from a fellow named Patrick Smith, a pilot who writes a regular column for Salon.com. One of the points he made, and I found it more revealing of the media and our tend- ency to search for heroes that fit the one strong man image than anything else, was that there were *two* pilots on that plane. *Both* had to land the plane; it is not a one-man job. But none of us know the other pilot's name. Isn't that inter- esting? http://www.salon.com/tech/col/smith/2009/01/15/askthepilot305/index.html
RE: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi films
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David Fiske Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 7:11 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi films I was sent the following e mail was unable to watch the first film on the 1960 course posted by an old friend Ulla Blucher. I wonder if these links (not all posted here) have already appeared on this site and whether any of you good folks have been more successful than I was. It downloaded for ages but I never could click on anything to see a film. I would appreciate any help. Thank you. ;ove, David Fiske Maharishi Films1969_Maharishi_in_India_Ma Andamayi_Blucher http://www.spiritualregeneration.org/Flash/1969_Maharishi_in_India.swf Works for me. Make sure you have the latest version of Flash installed.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi films
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, David Fiske wrote: I was sent the following e mail was unable to watch the first film on the 1960 course posted by an old friend Ulla Blucher. I wonder if these links (not all posted here) have already appeared on this site and whether any of you good folks have been more successful than I was. It downloaded for ages but I never could click on anything to see a film. I would appreciate any help. Thank you. ;ove, David Fiske Maharishi Films1969_Maharishi_in_India_Ma Andamayi_Blucher http://www.spiritualregeneration.org/Flash/1969_Maharishi_in_India.swf The link in question worked for me twice of the five times I tried it. When I did not get results right away, I clicked the back button my browser and clicked the link again. The absence of audio gave the film a long-ago-and-far-away quality. Do you know these people, David? Good luck!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi films
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: Works for me. Make sure you have the latest version of Flash installed. Worked for me, too. Thing is, the file was a few hundred megabytes, so it may just be taking way too long to download for some people. Also, it's really inconvenient to post movies in SWF format. If you insist on using Flash format, at least have the courtesy of using FLV format, which can be played with some media players, like VLC.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Compassionate Conservatism
shempmcgurk wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willy...@... wrote: shempmcgurk wrote: Little did I know that compassionate conservatism meant borrow and spend liberalism, the first cousin of tax and spend liberalism... Maybe so, but 'compassionate conservatism' looks like an ant-hill compared to the mountain of give-aways the Dems want to implement! Sorry, Richard, we can't say that any longer. Under Bush, the federal budget went from just under $2 trillion in Clinton's last year to well over $3 trillion just before the bailouts started...that's more than a 50% increase! And the deficit! Please. Under Bush, there were numerous years of $400 and $500 billion annual deficits. We never, ever saw that under Clinton or other Democrats. We can't blame the Democrats any longer. This happened not only under Bush but under Bush and for at least half of those 8 years with a full Republican Senate and House. Bush and the Republicans didn't prove to be as bad as the Democrats when it came to spending...THEY WERE WORSE! And who started all this bailout crap? Republicans. Bush said last week: I had to abandon my free market principles. Well fuck you, George, YOU NEVER HAD THEM! Of course, liberals on this forum should love Bush for being the borrow, tax, and spend liberal that he is, just like them. The difference is that Bush's borrowing and spending benefited his cronies. Democrats put forth programs that help the public. And that will have to be done under Obama. However like Clinton he will try to get that deficit down though that may not be possible given the damage that BushCo has done. If I'm not mistaken you are not a crony of Bush so you will do better under the Obama administration but it won't happen overnight.
[FairfieldLife] Re: I've got it over Peter now
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: Ha ha ha, I friggin' hate my so called 'state of the art Mac' that I was forced to buy a couple of months ago. Among other things, in cold weather is it sits in the car, the aluminum gets so cold that it takes forever to start up. Subjecting the lithium ion batteries used in electronics to freezing temperatures is not a good idea. I ruined a new cellphone battery in my last phone by leaving it out in the cold truck when I was in the gym. My Toshiba never had a problem with extreme cold temps. Besides its not the battery, it is plugged in to a cafe outlet (after skiing for a couple of hours.) The Toshiba never had a problem, but now an excuse has to be made for the Mac for it not being as good? OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: I've got it over Peter now
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutp...@... wrote: --- On Sun, 1/18/09, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@... wrote: From: Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@... Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: I've got it over Peter now To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, January 18, 2009, 8:18 AM --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: Ha ha ha, I friggin' hate my so called 'state of the art Mac' that I was forced to buy a couple of months ago. Among other things, in cold weather is it sits in the car, the aluminum gets so cold that it takes forever to start up. Subjecting the lithium ion batteries used in electronics to freezing temperatures is not a good idea. I ruined a new cellphone battery in my last phone by leaving it out in the cold truck when I was in the gym. Silly human. Off is not of this world and therefore not subject to the peer reviewed limitations of this small planet and its foolish physics. So says Peter the Wizard of Oz. My Toshiba never had a problem with extreme cold temps. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hudson plane-ditch video
*Both* had to land the plane; it is not a one-man job. But none of us know the other pilot's name. Isn't that inter- esting? And in an evacuation effort, the rest of the flight crew, the flight attendants have to be unsung heroes too. People often think of them as waitresses in the sky but their training can be really intense. I know that flight attendants on private jets have to regularly train in pool simulators in submerged planes and planes filled with smoke along with the pilots to keep their certification. Nice point about who the press misses. Although with the 24 hour news cycle, we'll probably know all about the plane mechanic's family before we are done with this event, unless something else takes it's place inn the news too soon! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: I hope they do interviews with the ferry captains as well as the plane's captain. The boat captains on commercial boats I have done shows all project the same supreme competence that airplane pilots have. I think a certain type of person is attracted to this kind of job. While I completely agree, I pass along a tidbit from a fellow named Patrick Smith, a pilot who writes a regular column for Salon.com. One of the points he made, and I found it more revealing of the media and our tend- ency to search for heroes that fit the one strong man image than anything else, was that there were *two* pilots on that plane. *Both* had to land the plane; it is not a one-man job. But none of us know the other pilot's name. Isn't that inter- esting? http://www.salon.com/tech/col/smith/2009/01/15/askthepilot305/index.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hudson plane-ditch video
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: I hope they do interviews with the ferry captains as well as the plane's captain. The boat captains on commercial boats I have done shows all project the same supreme competence that airplane pilots have. I think a certain type of person is attracted to this kind of job. While I completely agree, I pass along a tidbit from a fellow named Patrick Smith, a pilot who writes a regular column for Salon.com. One of the points he made, and I found it more revealing of the media and our tend- ency to search for heroes that fit the one strong man image than anything else, was that there were *two* pilots on that plane. *Both* had to land the plane; it is not a one-man job. But none of us know the other pilot's name. Isn't that inter- esting? It would be if it were true, but it isn't, not on either count. The co-pilot/first officer's name, Jeffrey B. Skiles, was already being reported on Friday. AP had photos of him up as well. And according to the NTSB, Skiles was the takeoff pilot, but once the engines died, Sullenberger took control of the flight while Skiles tried unsuccessfully to restart the engines, and it was Sullenberger who landed the plane. That's not to take anything away from Skiles, who apparently performed precisely as he was trained to do, as did Sullenberger. Skiles was also very much involved in the decision about where to put the plane down, i.e., not to try to go back to La Guardia or continue on to Teterboro. But his role in actually landing the plane was distinctly secondary; he was not at the controls. And two pilots are not *required* to land the plane; one pilot can certainly do it, although it's easier if another is helping out. (Protocol dictates that when one pilot takes the controls from another, s/he says, My aircraft, and the other pilot responds, Your aircraft.) Sullenberger was also the one who walked through the plane twice after supervising the evacuation to make sure nobody was left on the plane, as well as the one who took the passenger manifest he'd held onto up to the wheelhouse of the ferry he boarded and called the various craft and shore points that were receiving the passengers to be sure they were all accounted for. It's always fun to dump on the media and its readership for their tendency toward hero-worship, but in this case it wasn't that far off the reality. Sullenberger himself, when he's interviewed, will undoubtedly make the corrective point that he did what he was trained to do, as did Skiles and the rest of the plane's crew. It's hard to say whether any experienced pilot would have been less successful in landing the plane under those conditions; most likely not. As far as ditching a plane is concerned, the conditions were just about ideal--clear weather, daylight, no obstacles, calm water. Perhaps Sullenberger had an edge because he was also a glider pilot and a safety expert. Skiles gets great credit for being an able assistant. But Sullenberger was the one who actually accomplished the feat: he was in charge, he was at the controls, and he was the final decision-maker. What Patrick primarily objects to is folks calling the event a miracle, because that demeans the skill and training of everyone concerned. http://www.salon.com/tech/col/smith/2009/01/15/askthepilot305/index.ht ml http://tinyurl.com/8v72ae
[FairfieldLife] Ban GM food
[BanGMFood logo] http://www.bangmfood.org/ HOME http://www.bangmfood.org/ MEDIAWATCH http://www.bangmfood.org/mediawatch QUOTES http://www.bangmfood.org/quotes ABOUT http://www.bangmfood.org/about-us CONTACT http://www.bangmfood.org/contact-us SEARCH http://www.bangmfood.org/search Skip to Content http://www.bangmfood.org/#content Jump to Main Navigation http://www.bangmfood.org/#mainmenu Jump to additional Information http://www.bangmfood.org/#additional [banGMFood Take Action] http://www.bangmfood.org/take-action [banGMFood Films] http://www.bangmfood.org/films [banGMFood Global Links] http://www.bangmfood.org/global-linksTake action to ban GM foods The last word on GM safety - new science-based leaflet http://www.bangmfood.org/publications Pro-GM politicians tell us that we must put up the evidence on why GM food is not safe or shut up. Here is that evidence, in an easy-to-read new leaflet with full scientific references. Read more... http://www.bangmfood.org/publications With the cost of food skyrocketing, genetically modified (GM) foods are once again being hyped as the way to feed the world. But this is little short of a confidence trick. Far from needing more GM foods, there are urgent reasons why we need to take action to get them banned altogether in order to protect ourselves, our families, our environment, and the poor and hungry in the developing world. This website explains: * why we need to act http://www.bangmfood.org/publications with detailed references to scientific studies showing the harm caused by GM foods * how GM foods are being introduced by stealth http://www.bangmfood.org/stealth-gmos * why GM and non-GM food crops can't co-exist http://www.bangmfood.org/publications * what we can do http://www.bangmfood.org/take-action to challenge the imposition of GM foods WE MUST ACT NOW! This website is intended to help you: * download, print and distribute our easy-to-read leaflets http://www.bangmfood.org/publications * write to the supermarkets http://www.bangmfood.org/take-action asking them to get stealth GMOs http://www.bangmfood.org/stealth-gmos out of your food * write to your political representatives http://www.bangmfood.org/take-action warning them not to be fooled by pro-GM hype http://www.bangmfood.org/publications/4-short-leaflets/1-10-reasons-why\ -we-dont-need-gm-foods . WHY WE MUST GET GM OUT OF ANIMAL FEED http://www.bangmfood.org/stealth-gmos Consumer pressure and scientific concerns have largely kept GM foods and crops out of Europe. But millions of tons of GMOs enter Europe each year in the form of GM animal feed. Unlike GM foods meant for humans, these stealth GMOs do not have to be labelled and remain hidden from consumers. In the face of growing consumer rejection of GM foods even in their homeland of the USA, GM animal feed has become the biotech industry's lifeline. Stop GM animal feed and we stop the GM industry in its tracks. Take action now on GM animal feed http://www.bangmfood.org/take-action [banGMFood Publications] http://www.bangmfood.org/publications [banGMFood Stealth GMOs] http://www.bangmfood.org/stealth-gmos [banGMFood Feeding the World.jpg] http://www.bangmfood.org/feed-the-world
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hudson plane-ditch video
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: snip One of the points he made, and I found it more revealing of the media and our tend- ency to search for heroes that fit the one strong man image than anything else, was that there were *two* pilots on that plane. *Both* had to land the plane; it is not a one-man job. But none of us know the other pilot's name. Isn't that inter- esting? On second reading, disdain for the one strong man image strikes me as pretty funny coming from an Obamaphile. In any case, I found this of interest: - President-Elect Obama Calls Capt. Sullenberger By Garance Franke-Ruta Taking on the president's mantle of responsibility to thank Americans who perform extraordinary acts during moments of crisis, President-elect Barack Obama called Capt. Chesley Sullenberger III, the pilot of US Airways flight 1549, last night, according to incoming White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs. The President-elect told Capt. Sullenberger how proud everyone was for the heroic and graceful job he had done in landing the damaged aircraft yesterday, said Gibbs in a statement. The President-elect also thanked his crew and the many people on the scene in New York for ensuring the safety of everyone on board the plane. The call lasted for five minutes, he added. - Hmm. Wonder if Obama also called Jeffrey Skiles, the co-pilot...
[FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT IF?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfr...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, satvadude108 no_reply@ wrote: snip At least you don't makes posts asking Sal about her vibrator. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/204532 You simply post your fantasies about Turq, worms, and sadomasochistic masturbatory practices. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/202419 Uh-oh, you make BEEG mistake: 51036 51059 (The first two posts were made before I ever showed up on FFL.) 68643 68646 71621 90491 90559 130543 140215 (On Google Groups, Advanced Search will turn up quite a few similar Barryposts in alt.meditation.transcendental as well. I'm just emulating the Master Baiter.) Uh-oh...your obesessions are looking mighty BEEG Judith. Er, no, here I'm tweaking sattvadude for having put his foot in it. Huccome Our Barry needs *two guys* to defend him against my purported obsessive depredations, BTW?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ban GM food
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote: [BanGMFood logo] http://www.bangmfood.org/ HOME http://www.bangmfood.org/ MEDIAWATCH http://www.bangmfood.org/mediawatch QUOTES http://www.bangmfood.org/quotes ABOUT http://www.bangmfood.org/about-us CONTACT http://www.bangmfood.org/contact-us SEARCH http://www.bangmfood.org/search Skip to Content http://www.bangmfood.org/#content Jump to Main Navigation http://www.bangmfood.org/#mainmenu Jump to additional Information http://www.bangmfood.org/#additional [banGMFood Take Action] http://www.bangmfood.org/take-action [banGMFood Films] http://www.bangmfood.org/films [banGMFood Global Links] http://www.bangmfood.org/global-linksTake action to ban GM foods The last word on GM safety - new science-based leaflet http://www.bangmfood.org/publications Pro-GM politicians tell us that we must put up the evidence on why GM food is not safe or shut up. Here is that evidence, in an easy-to-read new leaflet with full scientific references. Read more... http://www.bangmfood.org/publications With the cost of food skyrocketing, genetically modified (GM) foods are once again being hyped as the way to feed the world. But this is little short of a confidence trick. Far from needing more GM foods, there are urgent reasons why we need to take action to get them banned altogether in order to protect ourselves, our families, our environment, and the poor and hungry in the developing world. This website explains: * why we need to act http://www.bangmfood.org/publications with detailed references to scientific studies showing the harm caused by GM foods * how GM foods are being introduced by stealth http://www.bangmfood.org/stealth-gmos * why GM and non-GM food crops can't co-exist http://www.bangmfood.org/publications * what we can do http://www.bangmfood.org/take-action to challenge the imposition of GM foods WE MUST ACT NOW! This website is intended to help you: snip, This GM BS has ben around for quite a while and, is pretty well locked in by big money- hope it isn't too late. Should also go after HFCS and the many other kinds of poisons that are in food these days.
[FairfieldLife] This Is What A Feminist Looks Like
It's not every day Ms. puts a man on its cover. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eleanor-smeal/this-is-what-a-feminist-l_b_157531.html
[FairfieldLife] Maharishi's pronunciation of 'saMhitaa'?
In my ears, Maharishi's pronunciation of 'saMhitaa' sounds almost like [sang-yitaa]: http://www.mtv3nettitv.fi/?treeId=302 (at ~ 4:30)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's pronunciation of 'saMhitaa'?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_re...@... wrote: In my ears, Maharishi's pronunciation of 'saMhitaa' sounds almost like [sang-yitaa]: http://www.mtv3nettitv.fi/?treeId=302 (at ~ 4:30) Oops! Wronk link... : ]
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's pronunciation of 'saMhitaa'?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: In my ears, Maharishi's pronunciation of 'saMhitaa' sounds almost like [sang-yitaa]: http://www.mtv3nettitv.fi/?treeId=302 (at ~ 4:30) Oops! Wronk link... : ] http://www.youtube.com/user/maharishichannel
[FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT IF?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfr...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Translation: Judy is obsessed with Barry. I leave FFL for months on end when I'm traveling or otherwise busy but when I do check in, there it is, as sure as death and taxes: Judy obsessing about Barry Funny how when you pop in, you never seem to do so when Barry's obsessing about me. Since you rarely actually contribute anything here, I guess it's easy enough for you just to wait until I've made a post concerning Barry, then make your appearance to complain about it. in nearly every post. Hardly. Most here have realized by now that the obsession goes the other way. In most cases, I'm just responding to it. (The post you quote is one of the exceptions. But I guess you could wait for that to happen as well.) And response is necessary, because--as you haven't yet figured out about your good buddy (or have chosen to ignore)--Barry is a chronic and vicious liar, among other unsavory traits. Another is his propensity to attack other posters, directly or indirectly, and almost always unfairly, in the vast majority of his posts. Quite a guy. I couldn't have made your obsession any more obvious than you just did in the paragraph above Judith. Good grief, you're more obsessed with me than Barry is. Another thing that seems to never change, regardless of long I'm awayyour continued fantasy of thinking that you know what most here think. Quite a gal. Funny, because Barry announces what most here (or often everyone here) thinks (or knows) far, *far* more often than I do, yet I've never seen you chide him for it.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 8 years of Bush in 8 minutes -- Keith Olbermann
Richard J. Williams wrote: TurquoiseB wrote: It really makes one want to believe in karma, and that at some point all of his will come back to him. 'TurquoiseB' = 'TB' = 'True Believer'. LOL! Bush showed America's enemies a country that does not retreat in fear, does not bomb with impunity, and most important, does not desert civilians or foreign governments that trust us. If you think that doesn't matter, look at Libya, which disarmed its weapons program. And see how much easier Obama's presidency will be, because Bush kept the faith. Osama bin Laden may live, most likely quivering in a cave. But no one thinks America is a paper tiger anymore. Read more: 'Bush showed U.S. is no paper tiger' by Debra J. Saunders San Francisco Chronicle, January 18, 2009 http://tinyurl.com/8medkr Saudners is the token conservative at the Chron and way off base most of the time. Why do you just quote people anyway? Are you not capable of forming your own thoughts or is that a result of too much meth? Osama is most likely dead. Read some history too as Al Qaeda was nothing more than a CIA program used to make things tough for the Russians in Afghanistan. We couldn't have them owning all that oil so we are there now trying to own it instead. It will never work as Afghanistan is strewn with the wreckage of nations that have tried to conquer it and the US won't do any better. You've bought the BushCo lie and when your retirement disappears what are you going to do?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I've got it over Peter now
On Jan 18, 2009, at 12:53 PM, off_world_beings wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: Ha ha ha, I friggin' hate my so called 'state of the art Mac' that I was forced to buy a couple of months ago. Among other things, in cold weather is it sits in the car, the aluminum gets so cold that it takes forever to start up. Subjecting the lithium ion batteries used in electronics to freezing temperatures is not a good idea. I ruined a new cellphone battery in my last phone by leaving it out in the cold truck when I was in the gym. My Toshiba never had a problem with extreme cold temps. Besides its not the battery, it is plugged in to a cafe outlet (after skiing for a couple of hours.) The Toshiba never had a problem, but now an excuse has to be made for the Mac for it not being as good? Apple laptops are designed for use with sattvic people with their vata in control. They should be avoided by tamasic types and space cadets. I'd say you're at high risk for shock or electrocution. People who've been abducted by UFO's should avoid their use altogether. Instead I'd recommend any laptop with Vista and 12 gigs of RAM. Of course if you underwent an emergency course of PK, say for three months or so, you should be able to re-continue use of all Apple products immediately thereafter. Hope this helps. Next time read the package insert!
Re: [FairfieldLife] 8 years of Bush in 8 minutes -- Keith Olbermann
TurquoiseB wrote: It really makes one want to believe in karma, and that at some point all of his will come back to him. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vTFesgMkzk No wonder he bought property in Paraguay. It may turn out that the only way he can live out the rest of his life without being dragged out of his hideyhole and lynched by angry mobs is to be in another country, surrounded by paid mercenaries. You can get away with saying that being in another country but if we say that in the US the gestapo will come knocking. Here in the US the latest debate between liberals is whether Congress should go after the crimes of the Bush administration or not. Apparently a vast number of liberals think that Congress can only do one thing at a time even though during the Clinton hearings they were still enacting other legislation. I am certainly opposed to letting BushCo getting away with the crimes of the past 8 years and I think Congress can both dealing with some legislation to help the economy (if that is at all possible) and with investigations and tribunals on Bush crimes. I am just as amazed at how superficial so many liberals are as I am how superficial so many conservatives are. Like Chomsky once said 80% of the US population is stupid.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Compassionate Conservatism
Bhairitu wrote Democrats put forth programs that help the public... You forgot the largest Dem 'pay-out' in the history of the planet: Social Security and Medicare. So, I wonder how much the total pay-out from Social Security and Medicare will be from 1936 to 2036 - maybe not as much as the recent bank bail-out, but at least the government will get some of the bank bail-out money back from shares it now owns. Bush wanted to at least privatize a portion of the Social Security scheme. Maybe the drug prescription bill was a big mistake - I don't know. People who paid in to Social Security first received money from those who paid in second. Like all pyramid schemes, the whole thing is in big trouble now that the pyramid has stoped growing. Remember Ponzi? Now Maddof is probably going to serve time for his pyrmaid scheme, but how many politicians will serve any time when Social Security goes bust? Those who espouse the Marxist Socialist agenda are just blathering. People should have to WORK to get their money, not get government hand-outs.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hudson plane-ditch video
authfriend wrote: The pilot's skill was obvious, and the plane crew's training seems to have been perfectly executed. Those people were out on the wings in less than 45 *seconds* after the plane touched down. The pilot is a local living in nearby Danville. He actually has a consulting firm that deals with training pilots and crews in how to deal with situations like these. How ironic that this situation happened to him. Now he can probably retire from flying and make a living with his consulting firm.
Re: [FairfieldLife] 8 years of Bush in 8 minutes -- Keith Olbermann
Bhairitu wrote: Here in the US the latest debate between liberals is whether Congress should go after the crimes of the Bush administration or not... What would they be charged with - keeping the country safe for nearly eight years? So much for wanting to 'reaching out' across the aisle and work in a non-partisan way. What happened to 'change we can believe in'? You're sounding like 'poltics as usual'. ...Like Chomsky once said 80% of the US population is stupid. 51% of American voters voted for Obama - so, I guess 81% of them were stupid. You're not even making any sense, as usual, just blathering. Maybe you think you're one of the 'elite' non-voters.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's pronunciation of 'saMhitaa'?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: In my ears, Maharishi's pronunciation of 'saMhitaa' sounds almost like [sang-yitaa]: http://www.mtv3nettitv.fi/?treeId=302 (at ~ 4:30) Oops! Wronk link... : ] http://www.youtube.com/user/maharishichannel Northern Hindu dialect? He also left the a sound off of many words like Ved[a]... L
[FairfieldLife] Re: rishi devata chhandas sattva rajas tamas
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jack Smith jacksmith8...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jack Smith jacksmith8121@ wrote: What is the relationship between these two sets of qualities? RDCGunas --- rishi sattva devata rajas chhandas tamas In the process of creation, how do they relate to each other? Is there some relationship such as between the tanmatras and mahabhutas? Thanks Jack *** http://snipurl.com/a9o4d [books_google_com] Thanks, but I have already read that book. I was looking for additional details, more understanding, greater insights. :) Rishi devatas and chhandas... INtellectual insight, unless you take Hagelin's word for the one-to-one correspondance between QM and the Veda, can't take you much further. You'd have to appreciate the interplay of the gunas and the samhita of rishi devatas and chhandas from a higher state of consciousness to get much more out of it, or so the TM theory goes. Now, if you want intellectual analysis, you can look at Hagelin's papers on the Unified Field and consciousness, or look at Abu-Nader's book on the Veda in human physiology, but there's no guarantee that any of this is valid save in some superficial sense related to the Law of Fives. L.
Re: [FairfieldLife] 8 years of Bush in 8 minutes -- Keith Olbermann
Richard Williams wrote: Bhairitu wrote: Here in the US the latest debate between liberals is whether Congress should go after the crimes of the Bush administration or not... What would they be charged with - keeping the country safe for nearly eight years? You have no proof it was their efforts that kept the country safe. After all Clinton said they thwarted terrorist schemes by simply having the appropriate agencies do their job so your assertion means nothing. There is one thing the Bush administration is particularly guilty of and that is lying to the American public to take us to war in Iraq. A war we could not afford. So much for wanting to 'reaching out' across the aisle and work in a non-partisan way. What happened to 'change we can believe in'? You're sounding like 'poltics as usual'. Nope, I never march in lockstep with any popular thought. We have scum in the Democratic Party just as there is scum in the Republican party. I will cry fie on them any day. ...Like Chomsky once said 80% of the US population is stupid. 51% of American voters voted for Obama - so, I guess 81% of them were stupid. You're not even making any sense, as usual, just blathering. Maybe you think you're one of the 'elite' non-voters. It is obvious to see what percentage you fall into.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I've got it over Peter now
Vaj wrote: On Jan 18, 2009, at 12:53 PM, off_world_beings wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: Ha ha ha, I friggin' hate my so called 'state of the art Mac' that I was forced to buy a couple of months ago. Among other things, in cold weather is it sits in the car, the aluminum gets so cold that it takes forever to start up. Subjecting the lithium ion batteries used in electronics to freezing temperatures is not a good idea. I ruined a new cellphone battery in my last phone by leaving it out in the cold truck when I was in the gym. My Toshiba never had a problem with extreme cold temps. Besides its not the battery, it is plugged in to a cafe outlet (after skiing for a couple of hours.) The Toshiba never had a problem, but now an excuse has to be made for the Mac for it not being as good? Apple laptops are designed for use with sattvic people with their vata in control. They should be avoided by tamasic types and space cadets. I'd say you're at high risk for shock or electrocution. People who've been abducted by UFO's should avoid their use altogether. Funny, I thought just the opposite. In fact most of the Mac users I run into are flaky vata types. It's the only computer system they can handle. :-D Instead I'd recommend any laptop with Vista and 12 gigs of RAM. No, Ubuntu on about any of those old computers you haven't thrown out yet. Funny that Linux has Microsoft freaked and not Apple. Must have something to do with the popularity of netbooks and that the least expensive ones run Linux. Plus you don't have to wait for a virus protection program to download the latest patches with Linux. It's up and running in 30 seconds (and they're working on a instant booting embedded Linux for netbooks). http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu
[FairfieldLife] Re: Compassionate Conservatism
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard Williams willy...@... wrote: Bhairitu wrote Democrats put forth programs that help the public... You forgot the largest Dem 'pay-out' in the history of the planet: Social Security and Medicare. So, I wonder how much the total pay-out from Social Security and Medicare will be from 1936 to 2036 - maybe not as much as the recent bank bail-out, but at least the government will get some of the bank bail-out money back from shares it now owns. Bush wanted to at least privatize a portion of the Social Security scheme. Maybe the drug prescription bill was a big mistake - I don't know. People who paid in to Social Security first received money from those who paid in second. Like all pyramid schemes, the whole thing is in big trouble now that the pyramid has stoped growing. Remember Ponzi? Now Maddof is probably going to serve time for his pyrmaid scheme, but how many politicians will serve any time when Social Security goes bust? Those who espouse the Marxist Socialist agenda are just blathering. People should have to WORK to get their money, not get government hand-outs. Some of the people who have worked for many years tend to show some wear which, from starting in '52, I can attest to. I enjoy working for myself but cannot do as much as someone 40 years younger. The attitude is coming where the old people should drop dead and not be a burden on society but the point could be made that if there weren't any old people, there wouldn't be any society. N.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The dismantling of the TMO as we know it
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal l.shad...@... wrote: On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 9:27 AM, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.comwrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, guyfawkes91 guyfawkes91@ wrote: People with access to the tape library are not selected for courage and insight. HaHa Quote of the week ! This fellow obviously has no idea as to who has the key to the original tapes ! Indeed. Yesterday I came across this wonderful place to shop for DVDs and the like call Pirate Bay (as opposed to Botany Bay, where I think I spent a couple centuries). Man, it's a good thing I have a lot of computers and fast Internet access. Do you know how long it's going to take for me to upload the original tape library to Pirate Bay? INteresting that you call downloading bittorrents shopping. Lawson
[FairfieldLife] Re: abandoning thought
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: There's an assumption being made here that isn't necessarily correct: that the fact that the TMO *does* not produce representatives of enlightened TMers means that it *cannot* do so, the corollary assumption being that it cannot do so because there aren't any. There are various reasons why the TMO might not do so even if it could. It's even possible that the TMO *cannot* produce such representatives not because there aren't any but for other reasons, one of which ed11 has explored in recent posts. Such possibilities tend not to be taken into account in the context of making these assumptions and drawing from them the conclusion that TM doesn't produce enlightenment. These assumptions and that conclusion may be correct, but we don't *know* that for sure, and we shouldn't pretend we do. Maybe there are ways we could rule out the other possibilities, but we can't do that if we don't acknowledge their existence. Granted, the TMO doesn't address the issue straightforwardly, and it's most likely unrealistic to expect that it ever will. And we may never be able to answer the question with any degree of certainty. But we ought to be able to discuss it in an intellectually honest manner. In fact, the TMO DOES present people showing signs of CC as measured by self-reports of continuous transcendence + waking/dreaming/sleeping for at least a year. They also present people who show pure consciousness duriong TM of as much as 50% of the time spent meditating. Neither of these is sufficient to call them fully in CC, however, and by MMY's definitions, if you can't show Yogic Flying on demand then you're not in UC, and the TMO doesn't claim to have anyone nearly there (nor does anyone else credible --e.g. Benson's investigations of advanced Buddhist monks introduced to him by the Dali Lama showed no more ability to float than the average Yogic Flyer in the TMO). L.. L.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dome numbers Drop in FF
Well according to YOUR figures, as much as half of the 2000-ish people are from the town of 9,500 (not sure if students count or not in population figures). That's 5-10% of the town's population participating on a daily basis. Truly a huge number by any measure save former TMers', who somehow expect 100% compliance while criticizing the TMO for being too OCD for its own good. L. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony...@... wrote: In a town of 9,500 people, these numbers are HUGE. Everyone deserves congratulations for doing what it takes to maintain superradiance, now in its 30th year. Yes, what is in their attendance number though? About a thousand hireling pujaris from India (out-sourced attendance), several hundreds of students, some faculty staff,and some few hundreds off- campus people from FF area. Evidently the domes do not draw so much from the local FF meditating community. Seems evidently they gots a problem of non-participation tepid support in the local meditating community. That seems does goes back a ways now. As a goal, they'd like to get 2,500 in the domes. What could be done to get folks back in? They evidently do have a problem. Festus, what do you think? Someone here even wants to have 10,000 people meditating together. yet, also is the thread: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/204131 Yeah, what a resounding success the Siddhis program has been, in spite of the fact it rendered the TM movement a laughing stock for the foreseeable future and diminished intiations by at least a thousand per cent. Had it not been for the marginally effective Siddhis program our TM organization may actually have vibrant centers in every major city today, but it's too late for that now. Competition you know. Big Shift, big-shots abandon their posts to big-wig 12Jan celebration in Europe. 11 January Fairfield/MVC 1711 1938 10 January Fairfield/MVC 1730 1936 09 January Fairfield/MVC 1759 2018 08 January Fairfield/MVC 1732 2063 07 January Fairfield/MVC 1806 2073 06 January Fairfield/MVC 1790 2088 05 January Fairfield/MVC 1816 2079 http://invincibleamerica.org/tallies.html o
[FairfieldLife] Re: Our world may be a giant hologram
Even *Maharishi* talked about the validity of drug experiences, and used to give long talks on the possibility that soma was a physical substance that could have been ingested back in Vedic times. I assume that JohnR would listen to those tapes and decide that they shouldn't be included as part of reality. :-) Guru Dev also referred to such drugs and their abilities in his encounters with other ascetics during his time in the forest. Various kinds of sidhhis are come to be seen by means of drugs. When Iwas staying in the jungles, on several occasions Kola and Bhil (tribal peoples) came and informed me of the properties of drugs. One time a Bhil brought one such which would make a tiger senseless who saw only a little of it from afar. By means of drugs a human being can live several hundred years. By means of drugs many siddhis can come. So there are also drugs that give the strength to fly for the one who put it in the mouth. [Shri Shankaracharya UpadeshAmrita kaNa 35 of 108] translation - Paul Mason http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/upadesh.htm#kaNa35 And you guys believe this to be true? I thought you guys are skeptics. Also, if these were true, how come Guru Dev and MMY died? They could've taken those drugs to live past a hundred years old. I rest my case.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Our world may be a giant hologram
Even *Maharishi* talked about the validity of drug experiences, and used to give long talks on the possibility that soma was a physical substance that could have been ingested back in Vedic times. I assume that JohnR would listen to those tapes and decide that they shouldn't be included as part of reality. :-) Guru Dev also referred to such drugs and their abilities in his encounters with other ascetics during his time in the forest. Various kinds of sidhhis are come to be seen by means of drugs. When Iwas staying in the jungles, on several occasions Kola and Bhil (tribal peoples) came and informed me of the properties of drugs. One time a Bhil brought one such which would make a tiger senseless who saw only a little of it from afar. By means of drugs a human being can live several hundred years. By means of drugs many siddhis can come. So there are also drugs that give the strength to fly for the one who put it in the mouth. [Shri Shankaracharya UpadeshAmrita kaNa 35 of 108] translation - Paul Mason http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/upadesh.htm#kaNa35 And you guys believe this to be true? I thought you guys are skeptics. Also, if these were true, how come Guru Dev and MMY died? They could've taken those drugs to live past a hundred years old. I rest my case.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I've got it over Peter now
On Jan 18, 2009, at 3:50 PM, Bhairitu wrote: No, Ubuntu on about any of those old computers you haven't thrown out yet. Funny that Linux has Microsoft freaked and not Apple. Must have something to do with the popularity of netbooks and that the least expensive ones run Linux. Plus you don't have to wait for a virus protection program to download the latest patches with Linux. It's up and running in 30 seconds (and they're working on a instant booting embedded Linux for netbooks). http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu Yeah but can you run Photoshop, Illustrator or Epson Scan? No. In fact it won't run most of my apps.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Trikke accident!
She may be a doofus trikker, but soon she'll be an expert if she just keeps trying. But, sorry, there's no cure for your kind of doofusness. Pick your next lifetime more carefully. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcg...@... wrote: I swear on my mother's eternal soul that this happened...and not 5 minutes ago! I was driving home down my street and on the other side coming in the opposite direction is a young woman on a trikke. And, yup, wouldn't you know it, she fell off of it about 20 feet in front of me. I can still hear her crying out the window of my computer room! THESE FUCKING THINGS ARE DANGEROUS
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's pronunciation of 'saMhitaa'?
Yes, that 'm' is pronounced with the 'ng' sound. There's something special about it, there is a '.' at that 'm' or something...sorry i can't remember the detail of that. But the 'ng' is correct. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_re...@... wrote: In my ears, Maharishi's pronunciation of 'saMhitaa' sounds almost like [sang-yitaa]: http://www.mtv3nettitv.fi/?treeId=302 (at ~ 4:30)
[FairfieldLife] Re: 8 years of Bush in 8 minutes -- Keith Olbermann
Bhairitu wrote: There is one thing the Bush administration is particularly guilty of and that is lying to the American public to take us to war in Iraq. So, you think the U.S. is in a war. Did Congress declare war on Iraq? I think not. Guilty for winning the war in Iraq? You are not making any sense. Over 90% of your congressional leaders, including John Kerry and Hillary Clinton voted to authorize the president to use force against Iraq. Colin Powell said Saddam had weapons of mass destruction. What are you going to do - charge them with lying to the American public? You're just spouting partisan nonsense. Obama will not support anything like what you are suggesting. In short, Obama's posturing is meaningless and politically motivated. His policy will not be any different from President Bush's; he is just trying to score cheap political points. Obama is no dummy, and is acutely aware of the Bush administration's extraordinary record of keeping us safe from terrorist attacks over the last seven years. He knows that his approval rating will sink like a stone if he exposes Americans to mass murder because of a foolish consideration for the comfort of terrorists. If and when the time comes, he will act exactly as George Bush did. Read more: 'What A Joke!' Posted by John Hindraker Powerline, January 16, 2009 http://tinyurl.com/8egmue
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: rishi devata chhandas sattva rajas tamas
On Jan 18, 2009, at 3:44 PM, sparaig wrote: What is the relationship between these two sets of qualities? RDCGunas --- rishi sattva devata rajas chhandas tamas In the process of creation, how do they relate to each other? Is there some relationship such as between the tanmatras and mahabhutas? Thanks Jack *** http://snipurl.com/a9o4d [books_google_com] Thanks, but I have already read that book. I was looking for additional details, more understanding, greater insights. :) Rishi devatas and chhandas... INtellectual insight, unless you take Hagelin's word for the one-to-one correspondance between QM and the Veda, can't take you much further. You'd have to appreciate the interplay of the gunas and the samhita of rishi devatas and chhandas from a higher state of consciousness to get much more out of it, or so the TM theory goes. Now, if you want intellectual analysis, you can look at Hagelin's papers on the Unified Field and consciousness, or look at Abu-Nader's book on the Veda in human physiology, but there's no guarantee that any of this is valid save in some superficial sense related to the Law of Fives. In tantric mantra-shastra, rishi represents both the historical person who had a particular realization and the particular state of consciousness they achieved, the subjective element, devata represents the specific quality of the deific force and chhandas is the meter it is encoded in. There are seven other dimensions in addition to these three. Later Vedic systems pick up a subset of the original tantric ones.
[FairfieldLife] Posted on Craigs list!
Too bad this doesn't happen much more often: Posted to Craig's List Personals: To the Guy Who Mugged Me Downtown (Downtown, Savannah)Date: 2009-01-06, 3:43AM EST I was the white guy with the black Burrberry jacket that you demanded I hand over shortly after you pulled the knife on me and my girlfriend. You also asked for my girlfriend's purse and earrings. I hope you somehow come across this message. I'd like to apologize. I didn't expect you to crap your pants when I drew my pistol after you took my jacket. Truth is, I was wearing the jacket for a reason that evening, and it wasn't that cold outside. You see, my girlfriend had just bought me that Kimber 1911 .45 ACP pistol for Christmas, and we had just picked up a shoulder holster for it that evening. Beautiful pistol, eh? It's a very intimidating weapon when pointed at your head, isn't it? I know it probably wasn't a great deal of fun walking back to wherever you'd come from with that brown sludge flopping about in your pants. I'm sure it was even worse since you also ended up leaving your shoes, cellphone, and wallet with me. I couldn't have you calling up a any of your buddies to come help you try to mug us again. I took the liberty of calling your mother, or Momma as you had her listed in your cell, and explaining to her your situation. I also bought myself some gas on your card. I gave your shoes to one of the homeless guys over by Vinnie Van Go Go's, along with all of the cash in your wallet, then I threw the wallet itself in a dumpster. I called a bunch of phone sex numbers from your cell. They'll be on your bill in case you'd like to know which ones. Alltel recently shut down the line, and I've only had the phone for a little over a day now, so I don't know what's going on with that. I hope they haven't permanently cut off your service. I was about to make some threatening phone calls to the DA's office with it. Oh well. So, about your pants. I know that I was a little rough on you when you did this whole attempted mugging thing, so I'd like to make it up to you. I'm sure you've already washed your pants, so I'd like to help you out. I'd like to reimburse you for the detergent you used on the pants. What brand did you use, and was it liquid or powder? I'd also like to apologize for not killing you and instead making you walk back home humiliated. I'm hoping that you'll reconsider your choice of path in life. Next time you might not be so lucky. If you read this message, email me and we'll do lunch and laundry. Peace! - Alex A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps!
[FairfieldLife] Re: I've got it over Peter now
http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu Vaj wrote: Yeah but can you run Photoshop, Illustrator or Epson Scan? You are not making any sense. Most people don't have PhotoShop or Illustrator, which costs hundreds of dollars. And most people who do run these apps don't use their graphic arts machine to surf the web and send email.
[FairfieldLife] The Real Maharishi Effect
Adapted fromTM-FreeThe alpha coherence boondoggle is a prominent one in the TM mythos. Itsoundsimpressive, but in reality they're just using peoples fascination with "sciencey" sounding words, and as it turns out it's not only a clinically insignificant finding (alpha coherence of the range found in TM is common in healthy humans), when compared to good controls, alpha coherence actuallydecreases. Go figure. It'samazingwhat good science can actually show you.--"We have recently conducted a third investigation of the state effects of TM, this time focusing on EEC integrated alpha activity and theta burst activity (Warrenburg Pagano, 1982).(...)Results of the pre-postcontrol periods ANOVAs revealed no significant effects for either frontal or parietal integrated alpha. ANOVA comparisons of the control and 20 minute treatment condition means indicated no significant group main effect or interactions for either of these two variables. The following effects were obtained, however. For parietal integrated alpha there was a significant main effect for periods (p .0001), indicating that average alpha activity during the treatment condition (15.2 V, p - p) was less than that during the eyes closed control periods (18.6 V). The same analysis for frontal alpha activity yielded a periods main effect that was nearly significant (p .07). Again, the treatment mean (8.7 AV) was lower than the control mean (9.1 V). Although experimental comparisons of averages based on the entire control and treatment periods were of primary interest, we also conducted similar analysis using means based on 5 minute treatment means. This was done to determine whether the above effects still were obtained when periods were of comparable duration. For parietal integrated alpha, the periods main effect was again highly significant (p .0001), and in addition the days x periods interaction was significant (p .03). Alpha fell during the first 5 minutes of treatment on both days, and reached a level that was lower on Day 2 (15.8 V) than on Day 1 (17.3 AV). The periods main effect for frontal alpha was also highly significant (p .0002), and represented a decrease to a lower level during the first 5 minutes of treatment (8.5 MV).In order to permit a more fine-grained analysis, alpha activity was monitored over successive 2-5 minute intervals throughout the experiment, and these data for parietal alpha are presented in Figure 1. The figure clearly displays that alpha activity from the parietal region was highest for the three groups during the first two minutes of the eyes closed pre-control period. Alpha decreased over the next 10-15 minutes, and reached its lowest level halfway through the treatment condition [i.e. it was lowest in the middle of the TM session].[Figure 1, illustrating the REAL Maharishi Effect]http://www.box.net/shared/static.../8r6lzbrgfb.jpgLevels then increased over the remainder of the experiment, such that postcontrol values were comparable to those at the end of the precontrol period. Frontal alpha changes were smaller but similar in time course to parietal alpha.These data are inconsistent with those of several previous investigators who found increases in alpha activity during TM (Wallace et al., 1971; Banquet, 1973; Glueck Stroebel, 1975). However, they are supported by our previous research and that of other researchers who have observed decreases in alpha activity and/or wakefulness during TM (Tebecis, 1975; Fenwick et al., 1977). Additional relevant evidence comes from the alpha biofeedback research reported by Orne and Wilson (1977who illustrate that when subjects rest quietly in a darkened room for an extended period, they display maximal alpha production during the first few minutes of recording. Clearly, whether subjects show a decrease or increase in alpha activity during TM will depend on the state of cortical arousal during the base period. For example, if subjects are relaxed but awake during the base period and go into prolonged nondescending Stage I activity during meditation, they would manifest a decrease in alpha activity. On the other hand, if they are quite alert during the baseline period, moderate increases in relaxation during meditation would probably produce increased alpha activity.From the textbook Consciousness and Self-Regulation 3, the section entitled "Meditation: In Search of it's Unique Effect" this excerpt coming from subsection F. "EEG alpha and theta activity".My conclusion? If you know how to manipulate study design and or procedural methods or through poor choice of controls, you can make it appear that alpha coherence, now anobsoletemeasurement, increases a small, insignificant amount. Using cherry-picked participants you can then extrapolate allegedly "alpha coherent" examples to fit your faux model. In other words: typical TM Org "science".
[FairfieldLife] Re: Our world may be a giant hologram
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_...@... wrote: Even *Maharishi* talked about the validity of drug experiences, and used to give long talks on the possibility that soma was a physical substance that could have been ingested back in Vedic times. I assume that JohnR would listen to those tapes and decide that they shouldn't be included as part of reality. :-) Guru Dev also referred to such drugs and their abilities in his encounters with other ascetics during his time in the forest. Various kinds of sidhhis are come to be seen by means of drugs. When Iwas staying in the jungles, on several occasions Kola and Bhil (tribal peoples) came and informed me of the properties of drugs. One time a Bhil brought one such which would make a tiger senseless who saw only a little of it from afar. By means of drugs a human being can live several hundred years. By means of drugs many siddhis can come. So there are also drugs that give the strength to fly for the one who put it in the mouth. [Shri Shankaracharya UpadeshAmrita kaNa 35 of 108] translation - Paul Mason http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/upadesh.htm#kaNa35 And you guys believe this to be true? You are suggesting that Maharishi and Guru Dev lied? I thought you guys are skeptics. Also, if these were true, how come Guru Dev and MMY died? They could've taken those drugs to live past a hundred years old. I rest my case. Apparently you have a waaay different value system than Maharishi or Guru Dev. I don't have Maharishi's comments but here are Guru Dev's comments on the subject of the siddhis or 'powers' including his comments on the abilities of certain drugs to produce some of them.: There are five kinds of siddhis:- janmaushhadhimantratapaH samaadhijaaH siddhayaH. [yogadarshanam (Patanjalis Yoga Sutras) ch4 v1] 'siddhis are attained by birth, drug, mantra, tapa samadhi.' 1) Truly, it occurs that someone is born as a siddha (one who has supernatural powers). Must have worshipped in a former life, but not so much as to have merged with Bhagavan (God), so in this way, by previous worship people actually have miraculous siddhis - in this manner Jada Bharata was a siddha from birth, who did not have to hear, learn and memorise in order to understand. 2) Various kinds of sidhhis are come to be seen by means of drugs. When I was staying in the jungles, on several occasions Kola and Bhil (tribal peoples) came and informed me of the properties of drugs. One time a Bhil brought one such which would make a tiger senseless who saw only a little of it from afar. By means of drugs a human being can live several hundred years. By means of drugs many siddhis can come. So there are also drugs that give the strength to fly for the one who puts it in the mouth. 3) From a mantra come siddhis. Once the deity of the mantra becomes favourable it will act according to its ability. The proper form of siddhis is of mantras. Common people receive siddhi from yakShini, karNa-pishachi and bhuta-preta (demi-gods, demons and ghosts) or trifling deities - and dark spirits of people inform of the past and present or do amazing feats and [the medium] pretends to be a siddha yogi. This is how straightforward simple people are deceived. 4) siddhi occurs by doing tapa (austerity). Maintaining brahmacharya (celibacy), fasting and enduring ones sadhana in order to gain God are performances of tapa which are satvik (pure). From this [tapa] peace and satisfaction grow. tapa aimed at dishonouring, killing, bewitching, enchanting etc. are rajasik and tamasik tapa. By this there will be neither peace nor satisfaction, the intrinsic enemies of unrest and anxiety increase bringing about the downfall of the sadhaka. 5) From samadhi come siddhis. But, these siddhis go to the sadhaka who has gained the supreme situation or jivanmukti. With these siddhis the duty is to be steady and if a good deal of work is not undertaken then the steadfastness is gone. The significance of this is that if there are miracles seen in any person this is not the true measure of a yogi. Seriously there are yogis in whom miracles occur and they do not perform miracles for their wealth or reputation. They only want for happiness in the world, tenderness and compassion. Understand that folk should be saved from misunderstandings about these siddhas. Do bhajans (hymns) to Bhagavan (God). You should become a ruler to the siddhis then siddhis will wander behind you. How to be made a ruler? Not to belong to the world of imagination. Until such time as your world is of a different kind, not longing for a son, for wealth, for a wife, for prestige and reputation, until then you will really be bereft of strength. The proverb is that khuda is scared of the beggar (Pharsi / Urdu word khuda = God). Withdrawing from the fancies of the world, grow in desire of Paramatma (the Supreme Self, God) then a multitude of
[FairfieldLife] Re: Our world may be a giant hologram
When you see those slo-mo pix of bullets going through eggs, water balloons etc. think of a photon going through EMPTY space. Get that? A history of the photon can be imagined to be readable wake by some theoretically possible hyper-sensitive machine...or perhaps today's ordinary human brain, take your pick. When scientists can build a new fangled machine to detect energy fluctuations at the subatomic level, I believe the photon of light from another star can reveal many valuable information, such as the number of planets that are revolving around the star that emitted the photon. Or, better yet, one may get a close up picture of the planets and the data to determine if there is life on those planets. Now we're talking Palm Leaves, baby! Jyotish schmotish -- those photons know EVERYTHING! One nice pun that I like is that the longer light travels to reach Earth, the redder its color becomes. This is called tired light - - google it. Light that travels from the most distant places, say, about 13,000,000 light years away, is so tired that it is no longer visible to the human eye when its color goes to infra-red, but get this, it's still a photon. From what I've read, the light appears red because the star emitting the light is increasingly traveling at a faster near the edge of the universe. We can ask: is it possible for these stars to travel at the speed of light and beyond? Here's my delight: Shiva is imagined to be the Absolute -- meaning NO THING, but STILL HE'S THERE. Shiva and a tired photon -- both invisible, both there, both undetectable to all but the most subtle perception. And when the whole universe has produced all the photons possible, get this, those photons will eventually travel so far that they become invisible -- the whole universe will be dark to human eyes but still vibrant, powerful, vectored, gear-grinding, clockworking -- can't be too different from Shiva, eh? Think of those end of days -- Shiva will still be dancing in the dark. There's a cosmological model that assumes the universe to be eternally evolving and never ending. It appears that this universe can create new universes from the black hole implosions that continually occurs. Further, we can even imagine that our universe may have started as a black hole implosion from another universe. So, it's the fireworks display on Independence Day. On another note, Shiva is considered a demigod in Hindu pantheon, although someone here may take offense at this observation. The big kahuna is Vishnu. JR Springsteen, eat your heart out. Edg Whether this means anything, I don't know. It could mean nothing more than that I had both good drug connections and good meditation connections. :-) It *certainly* isn't going to change anything about my life or how I lead it. I just watched the latest episode of Battlestar Galactica, and pondering the nature of life as a hologram makes as much sense to me as a person on that series pondering whether they were human or Cylon. What the fuck difference would it make? Life is what life is. You can live it or you can think about it. ERROR: The system has detected an internal processing error in module REALITY.SYS. Please shut down your universe and reboot. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: do.reflex, That was a fascinating article. It will take time for me to get used to the idea that I'm a hologram. Did you see The Matrix? That was 'sort of' the premise of the film in a bit of a different way than the article describes. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: DRIVING through the countryside south of Hanover, it would be easy to miss the GEO600 experiment. From the outside, it doesn't look much: in the corner of a field stands an assortment of boxy temporary buildings, from which two long trenches emerge, at a right angle to each other, covered with corrugated iron. Underneath the metal sheets, however, lies a detector that stretches for 600 metres. For the past seven years, this German set-up has been looking for gravitational waves - ripples in space-time thrown off by super- dense astronomical objects such as neutron stars and black holes. GEO600 has not detected any gravitational waves so far, but it might inadvertently have made the most important discovery in physics for half a century. For many months, the GEO600 team-members had been scratching their heads over inexplicable noise that is plaguing their giant detector. Then, out of the blue, a researcher approached them with an explanation. In fact,
[FairfieldLife] Re: rishi devata chhandas sattva rajas tamas
Vaj wrote: In tantric mantra-shastra, rishi represents both the historical person who had a particular realization and the particular state of consciousness they achieved... You are not making any sense, There are no 'historical' rishis; you probably meant 'legendary' rishis. History in India begins with Shakya the Muni - everything before that is considered to be pre-history.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Compassionate Conservatism
Nelson wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard Williams willy...@... wrote: Bhairitu wrote Democrats put forth programs that help the public... You forgot the largest Dem 'pay-out' in the history of the planet: Social Security and Medicare. So, I wonder how much the total pay-out from Social Security and Medicare will be from 1936 to 2036 - maybe not as much as the recent bank bail-out, but at least the government will get some of the bank bail-out money back from shares it now owns. Bush wanted to at least privatize a portion of the Social Security scheme. Maybe the drug prescription bill was a big mistake - I don't know. People who paid in to Social Security first received money from those who paid in second. Like all pyramid schemes, the whole thing is in big trouble now that the pyramid has stoped growing. Remember Ponzi? Now Maddof is probably going to serve time for his pyrmaid scheme, but how many politicians will serve any time when Social Security goes bust? Those who espouse the Marxist Socialist agenda are just blathering. People should have to WORK to get their money, not get government hand-outs. Some of the people who have worked for many years tend to show some wear which, from starting in '52, I can attest to. I enjoy working for myself but cannot do as much as someone 40 years younger. The attitude is coming where the old people should drop dead and not be a burden on society but the point could be made that if there weren't any old people, there wouldn't be any society. N. Showtime had a sci-fi series in 2002 called Jeremiah that explored that premise. The adult population was wiped out leaving only those who had not reached puberty: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0290966/plotsummary
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I've got it over Peter now
Vaj wrote: On Jan 18, 2009, at 3:50 PM, Bhairitu wrote: No, Ubuntu on about any of those old computers you haven't thrown out yet. Funny that Linux has Microsoft freaked and not Apple. Must have something to do with the popularity of netbooks and that the least expensive ones run Linux. Plus you don't have to wait for a virus protection program to download the latest patches with Linux. It's up and running in 30 seconds (and they're working on a instant booting embedded Linux for netbooks). http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu Yeah but can you run Photoshop, Illustrator or Epson Scan? No. In fact it won't run most of my apps. You can run GIMP. I don't even run those on Windows so I wouldn't know the Linux equivalents. But GIMP is comparable to most of the graphics programs I've used on Windows including PhotoShop LE. With a lot of unemployed programmers with time on their hands more free open source software ware that does neat stuff will make its way to Linux. Why? Because such projects make good resume points for programmers and helps keep their skills sharp.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: rishi devata chhandas sattva rajas tamas
On Jan 18, 2009, at 5:08 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote: Vaj wrote: In tantric mantra-shastra, rishi represents both the historical person who had a particular realization and the particular state of consciousness they achieved... You are not making any sense, There are no 'historical' rishis; you probably meant 'legendary' rishis. History in India begins with Shakya the Muni - everything before that is considered to be pre-history. I guess it depends what oral line you come from Willy as to what you call legendary. You just sound ill-informed. 'Never mind more recent rishis' seems to be your limited way of seeing. Not everyone relies on Kali-yuga conventions like books Willy.
[FairfieldLife] Re: I've got it over Peter now
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On Jan 18, 2009, at 12:53 PM, off_world_beings wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: Ha ha ha, I friggin' hate my so called 'state of the art Mac' that I was forced to buy a couple of months ago. Among other things, in cold weather is it sits in the car, the aluminum gets so cold that it takes forever to start up. Subjecting the lithium ion batteries used in electronics to freezing temperatures is not a good idea. I ruined a new cellphone battery in my last phone by leaving it out in the cold truck when I was in the gym. My Toshiba never had a problem with extreme cold temps. Besides its not the battery, it is plugged in to a cafe outlet (after skiing for a couple of hours.) The Toshiba never had a problem, but now an excuse has to be made for the Mac for it not being as good? Apple laptops are designed for use with sattvic people with their vata in control. They should be avoided by tamasic types and space cadets. I'd say you're at high risk for shock or electrocution. People who've been abducted by UFO's should avoid their use altogether. Instead I'd recommend any laptop with Vista and 12 gigs of RAM. Of course if you underwent an emergency course of PK, say for three months or so, you should be able to re-continue use of all Apple products immediately thereafter. Hope this helps. Next time read the package insert! Ha ha , the response of a total fanatic-geek for Macs, no room for questioning your fuhrer. You anti-TM'rs are not only fundamentalits in your beliefs about TM, but also for your silly little Macs. Sounds like you want a computer made for someone who never goes outdoors for exercise, has no life outside of FFL, and doesn't do any real work on it other than texting. You'd do just as well with a Blackberry for what you need a computer for. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: Our world may be a giant hologram
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_...@... wrote: Here's my delight: Shiva is imagined to be the Absolute -- meaning NO THING, but STILL HE'S THERE. Shiva and a tired photon -- both invisible, both there, both undetectable to all but the most subtle perception. And when the whole universe has produced all the photons possible, get this, those photons will eventually travel so far that they become invisible -- the whole universe will be dark to human eyes but still vibrant, powerful, vectored, gear-grinding, clockworking -- can't be too different from Shiva, eh? Think of those end of days -- Shiva will still be dancing in the dark. There's a cosmological model that assumes the universe to be eternally evolving and never ending. It appears that this universe can create new universes from the black hole implosions that continually occurs. Further, we can even imagine that our universe may have started as a black hole implosion from another universe. So, it's the fireworks display on Independence Day. On another note, Shiva is considered a demigod in Hindu pantheon, although someone here may take offense at this observation. The big kahuna is Vishnu. JR Not according to Guru Dev: In truth worshipping any of the gods is really worship of Bhagavan. The aim of devotees is really to feel Bhagavan everywhere. All those who are fully absorbed in devotion to Bhagavad (God, Vishnu) are VaishhNava (devotees of Vishnu). Someone who night and day is stealing, deceitful and doing other bad behaviour etc yet thinking himself to be a devotee of VishhNu, cannot be a VaishNava. Shiva, Ganesha, Surya, Shakti (Durga, Lakshmi) etc are the limbs of Bhagavan. Any devotee of Shiva can say 'Our Shankar (Shiva) is really Bhagavan', any follower of Surya can say that 'Surya is really Bhagavan', then this is really like not knowing the whole shape of the elephant. Some blind men took hold of an elephant's trunk and said 'This elephant it is like a pestle'. Seizing the foot one said it was like a pillar. Taking the ear one said it was like a winnowing basket. The thing is really this that the blind men having seen the elephant got stirred up in dispute. He who knows the whole form of the elephant will never say that the elephant is similar to a winnowing basket or to a pestle. In the same way, he who has taken a good understanding of Bhagavan, he can never say that Shiva is the true form of Bhagavan or Ganesha is the true form of Bhagavan or that the four-armed form of VishhNu is really the form of Bhagavan. He who is familiar with the essence of Bhagavat (God) that all these several forms are really the separate parts or limbs of Paramatma (God). In truth worshipping any of the gods is really worship of Bhagavan. This is really the established truth of the shaastra. [Shri Shankaracharya UpadeshAmrita kaNa 68 of 108] http://snipurl.com/ab1la
[FairfieldLife] Re: I've got it over Peter now
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: Vaj wrote: On Jan 18, 2009, at 3:50 PM, Bhairitu wrote: No, Ubuntu on about any of those old computers you haven't thrown out yet. Funny that Linux has Microsoft freaked and not Apple. Must have something to do with the popularity of netbooks and that the least expensive ones run Linux. Plus you don't have to wait for a virus protection program to download the latest patches with Linux. It's up and running in 30 seconds (and they're working on a instant booting embedded Linux for netbooks). http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu Yeah but can you run Photoshop, Illustrator or Epson Scan? No. In fact it won't run most of my apps. You can run GIMP. I don't even run those on Windows so I wouldn't know the Linux equivalents. But GIMP is comparable to most of the graphics programs I've used on Windows including PhotoShop LE. With a lot of unemployed programmers with time on their hands more free open source software ware that does neat stuff will make its way to Linux. Why? Because such projects make good resume points for programmers and helps keep their skills sharp. Adobe is a crock of shit too. Total uneccessary bloat for people who cannot design well, an d need lots of gimmicks to make themselves feel like designers, and will spend hours, even days trying to figure out the next new Adobe gimmick doing something that I could do in Photoshop, Illustrator, InDesign or others in one minute and get exactly the same or better results and quality. There is very little of use new in Adobe that has come out in the last 8 years. OffWorld
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I've got it over Peter now
On Jan 18, 2009, at 5:15 PM, Bhairitu wrote: You can run GIMP. I don't even run those on Windows so I wouldn't know the Linux equivalents. But GIMP is comparable to most of the graphics programs I've used on Windows including PhotoShop LE. It doesn't have a lot of the features I use like Photoshop's incomparable Panorama feature, it's bandaid tool or it's HDR features to name a few. With a lot of unemployed programmers with time on their hands more free open source software ware that does neat stuff will make its way to Linux. Why? Because such projects make good resume points for programmers and helps keep their skills sharp. While I like a lot of Open Source projects (Mac users can actually download source code and compile their own native apps) there are numerous commercial products I prefer which are simply not available on Linux or Windows. Nonetheless, I have virtual spaces for both Windows XP and Ubuntu on my Mac, so when I do need them, I do have them.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I've got it over Peter now
On Jan 18, 2009, at 5:24 PM, off_world_beings wrote: Adobe is a crock of shit too. Total uneccessary bloat for people who cannot design well, an d need lots of gimmicks to make themselves feel like designers, and will spend hours, even days trying to figure out the next new Adobe gimmick doing something that I could do in Photoshop, Illustrator, InDesign or others in one minute and get exactly the same or better results and quality. There is very little of use new in Adobe that has come out in the last 8 years. Sounds like someone needs an upgrade. Adobe has released some incredible innovations in the last two versions of PS. Certainly Illustrator is the same, but it's such high- end stuff most people, like yourself, will never use. If you're using GIS with connected databases to create updatable maps of the State of VT, for print and for the web, then maybe. It's more aimed at innovative, cutting edge and high-end professionals than for the part- time artist or graphic fan.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Our world may be a giant hologram
do.rflex wrote: You are suggesting that Maharishi and Guru Dev lied? LOL! Someone is losing a few marbles. It is especially offensive to sincere seekers who practise TM since Maharishi has always been totally against drug use as a means to enlightenment. It's no wonder that your fellow TMers feel sorry for you and think that you're missing a few marbles. Read more: From: John Manning Subject: Maharishi's mantras Forum: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: Wed, Jul 31 2002 http://tinyurl.com/acsgt
[FairfieldLife] Re: Compassionate Conservatism
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: shempmcgurk wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willytex@ wrote: shempmcgurk wrote: Little did I know that compassionate conservatism meant borrow and spend liberalism, the first cousin of tax and spend liberalism... Maybe so, but 'compassionate conservatism' looks like an ant-hill compared to the mountain of give-aways the Dems want to implement! Sorry, Richard, we can't say that any longer. Under Bush, the federal budget went from just under $2 trillion in Clinton's last year to well over $3 trillion just before the bailouts started...that's more than a 50% increase! And the deficit! Please. Under Bush, there were numerous years of $400 and $500 billion annual deficits. We never, ever saw that under Clinton or other Democrats. We can't blame the Democrats any longer. This happened not only under Bush but under Bush and for at least half of those 8 years with a full Republican Senate and House. Bush and the Republicans didn't prove to be as bad as the Democrats when it came to spending...THEY WERE WORSE! And who started all this bailout crap? Republicans. Bush said last week: I had to abandon my free market principles. Well fuck you, George, YOU NEVER HAD THEM! Of course, liberals on this forum should love Bush for being the borrow, tax, and spend liberal that he is, just like them. The difference is that Bush's borrowing and spending benefited his cronies. Why do I try? Sigh. Bhairitu, why don't you go to Wikipedia or some other source (I've already done this at least a dozen times here, probably half those times for your benefit) and see what your federal government actually spends money on. Most of it is for social programs such as Social Security, Medicaid, Medicare, and education. These aren't Bush's cronies. Grow the fuck up. Democrats put forth programs that help the public. Yes, like Fannie-Mae and Freddie-Mac where the law is that you HAVE to give loans to people who can't afford to pay them back. Tell me something, Bhairitu: if the Republicans were so against helping the public, as you put it, why then when they controlled both houses of Congress and the presidency didn't they get rid of all those programs INSTEAD OF INCREASING THEIR BUDGETS And remember that the Democrat President Clinton signed the welfare reform bill. Please do your fucking homework before you open you pie-hole (as Richard would say). And that will have to be done under Obama. Wha?? You mean after a 50+% increase in spending in these programs over the past 8 years you want Obama to INCREASE the spending Or just maintain them? However like Clinton he will try to get that deficit down though that may not be possible given the damage that BushCo has done. If I'm not mistaken you are not a crony of Bush so you will do better under the Obama administration but it won't happen overnight. Did you take a lot of drugs in the '60s?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Trikke accident!
--- On Sun, 1/18/09, shempmcgurk shempmcg...@netscape.net wrote: From: shempmcgurk shempmcg...@netscape.net Subject: [FairfieldLife] Trikke accident! To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, January 18, 2009, 4:12 PM I swear on my mother's eternal soul that this happened...and not 5 minutes ago! I was driving home down my street and on the other side coming in the opposite direction is a young woman on a trikke. And, yup, wouldn't you know it, she fell off of it about 20 feet in front of me. I can still hear her crying out the window of my computer room! THESE FUCKING THINGS ARE DANGEROUS Something must be in the air. I was having brunch with my wife today by the beach and a woman on a big ol scooter stopped at a redlight and simply fell over. Short-leg syndrome. To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
[FairfieldLife] Re: Compassionate Conservatism
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: [snip] Of course, liberals on this forum should love Bush for being the borrow, tax, and spend liberal that he is, just like them. Where's the evidence for that, Magoo? [snip] Every word that's ever come out of your keyboard and onto this forum.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Compassionate Conservatism
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard Williams willytex@ wrote: Bhairitu wrote Democrats put forth programs that help the public... You forgot the largest Dem 'pay-out' in the history of the planet: Social Security and Medicare. So, I wonder how much the total pay-out from Social Security and Medicare will be from 1936 to 2036 - maybe not as much as the recent bank bail-out, but at least the government will get some of the bank bail-out money back from shares it now owns. Bush wanted to at least privatize a portion of the Social Security scheme. Maybe the drug prescription bill was a big mistake - I don't know. People who paid in to Social Security first received money from those who paid in second. Like all pyramid schemes, the whole thing is in big trouble now that the pyramid has stoped growing. Remember Ponzi? Now Maddof is probably going to serve time for his pyrmaid scheme, but how many politicians will serve any time when Social Security goes bust? Those who espouse the Marxist Socialist agenda are just blathering. People should have to WORK to get their money, not get government hand-outs. Some of the people who have worked for many years tend to show some wear which, from starting in '52, I can attest to. I enjoy working for myself but cannot do as much as someone 40 years younger. The attitude is coming where the old people should drop dead and not be a burden on society but the point could be made that if there weren't any old people, there wouldn't be any society. N. Aldous Huxley's book Brave New World postulated that at a certain age old people should be killed off. Makes sense, as I think about 75% of all medical expenses in the U.S. are incurred by people over age 65. I could be a little high on the 75% figure as I'm going on memory but I'm sure it's something like that. And, hey, if you're sick at 65 or older, you sure aren't experiencing a satisfactory quality of life anyway, so you might as well be off'ed.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Compassionate Conservatism
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcg...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: [snip] Of course, liberals on this forum should love Bush for being the borrow, tax, and spend liberal that he is, just like them. Where's the evidence for that, Magoo? [snip] Every word that's ever come out of your keyboard and onto this forum. Give some specific examples of my promotion of 'borrowing, taxing, and spending like George W Bush, Magoo. You really DO go off the deep end sometimes, fella.
[FairfieldLife] Re: rishi devata chhandas sattva rajas tamas
There are no 'historical' rishis; you probably meant 'legendary' rishis. History in India begins with Shakya the Muni - everything before that is considered to be pre-history. Vaj wrote: You just sound ill-informed. I don't think so, Vaj. The term 'history' pertains to the written history of a culture. Writing in India was not invented until the time of the Ashoka pillars - that's my point. There are no historical rishis in India, only legends from the oral tradition. By 'prehistory', historians mean the recovery of knowledge of the past in an area where no written records exist, or where the writing of a culture is not understood. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History
[FairfieldLife] Cell Phone Karma
Video: http://tinyurl.com/9vzqh3
Re: [FairfieldLife] Trikke accident!
Beach? Scooter? Guess I'll finally go outside for the first time today after the game is over and make a food run after I brush the snow off my car. Hope I don't have to shovel. Love will swallow you, eat you up completely, until there is no `you,' only love. - Amma --- On Sun, 1/18/09, Peter drpetersutp...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Peter drpetersutp...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Trikke accident! To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, January 18, 2009, 5:42 PM --- On Sun, 1/18/09, shempmcgurk shempmcg...@netscape.net wrote: From: shempmcgurk shempmcg...@netscape.net Subject: [FairfieldLife] Trikke accident! To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, January 18, 2009, 4:12 PM I swear on my mother's eternal soul that this happened...and not 5 minutes ago! I was driving home down my street and on the other side coming in the opposite direction is a young woman on a trikke. And, yup, wouldn't you know it, she fell off of it about 20 feet in front of me. I can still hear her crying out the window of my computer room! THESE FUCKING THINGS ARE DANGEROUS Something must be in the air. I was having brunch with my wife today by the beach and a woman on a big ol scooter stopped at a redlight and simply fell over. Short-leg syndrome. To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
[FairfieldLife] The Movement's Desolation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal l.shad...@... wrote: I predict that the TMO as we know it will reinvent itself. Taking a page from an old book.. The Movement's Desolation Well may Thy meditators mourn, my God, The Movement's desolation; The state of meditation-on calls aloud For grief and lamentation. Once she was all alive to Thee And thousands were converted, But now a sad reverse we see, Her glory is departed. And has meditation left the Movement without a trace behind her? Where shall I go, where shall I search, That I once more may find her? Adieu, ye proud, ye light and gay, I'll seek the broken hearted, Who weep when they of movement way, Her glory is departed. Some few, like good meditators, stand, While thousands have revolted, Earnest for the heav'nly land They never yet have halted. With such experience doth remain, For they are not perverted; O may they all through humankind regain The glory that's departed. To the tune of: http://shapenote.net/89.htm That Doctor Bevan Morris and Dr. John Hagelin will retire and quickly thereafter no longer be mentioned in the TMO. That thereafter, once the sycophant fools Maharishi had to suffer are gone, the rajas will increasingly take a cue from Ram Nader and speak with less exuberance, less florid speech and for shorter times. If Bevan and John are replaced, they will be replaced with more simply speaking people. People who take their cue in presenting themselves from Ram Nadir. Bulletins will contain less gold. The TMO will take less credit for world affairs and jump in less to save the world with just some more sidhas on Wall Street or in Fairfield. Dark colored suits will once again be in style in the TMO. Fresh, new blood will be recruited from the sidha community. Established and demonstrated talent in business. Heaven is Descending will no longer be the IA theme song and the Maharishi Channel will quietly quash the worship of gods and goddesses. Maharishi gave instructions that these and many other things be done in the fullness of time. om
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guinness Book of World Record Spirituality
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: .. Repeating something often enough doesn't make it true. Since the mid-80s, when Ollie North so self-righteously and intentionally committed perjury in Congressional hearings while wearing a U.S. Marines uniform, partisans and idealogues have poisoned public discourse. Their thinking is : Why bother with the truth, when there are so many more important points to make?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Compassionate Conservatism
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: [snip] Of course, liberals on this forum should love Bush for being the borrow, tax, and spend liberal that he is, just like them. Where's the evidence for that, Magoo? [snip] Every word that's ever come out of your keyboard and onto this forum. Give some specific examples of my promotion of 'borrowing, taxing, and spending like George W Bush, Magoo. You really DO go off the deep end sometimes, fella. Anywhere the poster do.rflex appears within messages 1 to 205,510 in FairfieldLife. You're a socialist pinko, John. Admit it. You should be proud of what you are. You don't mean to suggest you're something other than that?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi films
The ashram Maharishi used for his course back then was south of Rishikesh, at a place called Ram Nagar. The ashram was established as Baba Kamliwala Panchayat Kshetra, founded by Baba Vishuddhananda (aka. Baba Kali Kamli Wale). Guru Dev was invited there and in April 1952 stayed there at Atma Vigyan Bhavan staying in Shri Shankaracharya Nivas . If anyone gets some up-to-date snapshots I would love to see them. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, David Fiske fiskeda...@... wrote: Yes I saw Devendra, Vernon Katz, Jerry J who has trouble downloading too, Ulla and Nikolaus Blucher (last letter received from the Prince in 2000) and the chap either from Denmark or Sweden. Paul Mason was very helpful and I got in, as was Rick. Theo Fehr who sent the original link I had met in India (1969 I guess) along with his very first wife Francisca. Gives one deep nostalgia for the period when I was a simple believer. Does anyone know where the first course (1960) in Ram Nagar was? My half brother John Wills was on it and his son is going on a pilgrimage there to get closer to his Dad but they can't locate the ashram Maharishi rented for the course. love, David
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: rishi devata chhandas sattva rajas tamas
On Jan 18, 2009, at 5:54 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote: There are no 'historical' rishis; you probably meant 'legendary' rishis. History in India begins with Shakya the Muni - everything before that is considered to be pre-history. Vaj wrote: You just sound ill-informed. I don't think so, Vaj. The term 'history' pertains to the written history of a culture. Writing in India was not invented until the time of the Ashoka pillars - that's my point. There are no historical rishis in India, only legends from the oral tradition. By 'prehistory', historians mean the recovery of knowledge of the past in an area where no written records exist, or where the writing of a culture is not understood. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History Willy, you're applying a western definition--well actually a moving western definition (certainly not the OED) from a web encyclopedia to an eastern idea. Many eastern ideas and concepts have no parallels in the west. So I'm afraid this is another of your cultural non sequiturs. You should really get out more. It's silly Willy to assume western European ideas would apply to eastern ideas, concepts and definitions. I've met modern rishis, so I don't accept your fraudulent definitions. You probably are confusing rishi (RSi) with the seven primordial rishis (saptaRSi) or the Big Dipper (saptarSi). There are many different types of rishi Willy, not just Vedic rishis. And as I said, written history, in regards to the continuum of Indian and Himalayan history, is considered an inferior artifact of the age of ignorance (kaliyuga). In original American history, many tribes had a defined historian. Often early western translators, on encountering these native historians, thought of them as dumb or stupid, because they didn't speak or interact. That's because their function was to listen and to remember--flawlessly. And that's what they did. Westerners with their loquacious ideals of what an intelligent person was seemed to miss that these were the inheritors of the tribes entire history. They didn't need to write because they had perfect recall. Your written history is a more modern product, a product of weak minds that rely on computers and books for definitions and calculators for simple math. Real history is self-referral. That's why Tibetan yogis, often tortured or barely alive after escaping their Chinese captors and making it over the Himalaya could, despite no physical texts, completely revive entire traditions. If they had relied on physical means to preserves their texts. We wouldn't have them today. True story.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Compassionate Conservatism
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcg...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2001@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard Williams willytex@ wrote: Bhairitu wrote Democrats put forth programs that help the public... You forgot the largest Dem 'pay-out' in the history of the planet: Social Security and Medicare. So, I wonder how much the total pay-out from Social Security and Medicare will be from 1936 to 2036 - maybe not as much as the recent bank bail-out, but at least the government will get some of the bank bail-out money back from shares it now owns. Bush wanted to at least privatize a portion of the Social Security scheme. Maybe the drug prescription bill was a big mistake - I don't know. People who paid in to Social Security first received money from those who paid in second. Like all pyramid schemes, the whole thing is in big trouble now that the pyramid has stoped growing. Remember Ponzi? Now Maddof is probably going to serve time for his pyrmaid scheme, but how many politicians will serve any time when Social Security goes bust? Those who espouse the Marxist Socialist agenda are just blathering. People should have to WORK to get their money, not get government hand-outs. Some of the people who have worked for many years tend to show some wear which, from starting in '52, I can attest to. I enjoy working for myself but cannot do as much as someone 40 years younger. The attitude is coming where the old people should drop dead and not be a burden on society but the point could be made that if there weren't any old people, there wouldn't be any society. N. Aldous Huxley's book Brave New World postulated that at a certain age old people should be killed off. Makes sense, as I think about 75% of all medical expenses in the U.S. are incurred by people over age 65. I could be a little high on the 75% figure as I'm going on memory but I'm sure it's something like that. And, hey, if you're sick at 65 or older, you sure aren't experiencing a satisfactory quality of life anyway, so you might as well be off'ed. When you get to be 65 0r older, you might have a different outlook. Not everyone is a Steven Hawking but there is a lot of accumulated knowledge that could benefit society. Most people resent others determining their quality of life.
[FairfieldLife] Post Count
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[FairfieldLife] Ballwork for Dudes -- to raise the Kundalini
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfAf55_xS-4
[FairfieldLife] Negotiating in the Bizarro World
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard Williams willy...@... wrote: [snip] Bush wanted to at least privatize a portion of the Social Security scheme. [snip] Bush's attempt to privatize Social Security was, I am convinced, done in such a way that he was Shanghai'ing the whole thing. Let me explain. Approximately 80% 12.4 cents of the 15.3 cents I pay in FICA taxes are Social Security contributions. Bush and the Republicans had been promising us real, fair changes to the Social Security system; they ran on a promise of privatization. Yet the Republican/Bush privatization plan for Social Security reform proposed that less than 30% of those 12.4 cents in contributions could be put into a private account and that, even with this meager amount, there would be great restrictions on the kind of investments they could be put in: only blue-chip bonds, government bonds, etc. This was the most wimpy, weak-kneed set of proposals that one could possibly put forth, short of supporting the status quo. After the first week of its introduction and the chorus of protests against it (much of it from Republicans, by the way, who thought it went too far!), w never again heard anything from Bush's administration about privatization. Bush never, ever intended to privatize Social Security and the Republication Congress never intended to push him on it. What Bush and the Republican Congress intended was to pay lip service to a campaign promise so they could say: well, we tried! Privatizing Social Security would have been a negotiation with those - - and there are many! -- who wanted to keep it. You don't start negotiations -- that is, introduce your idea -- from an already compromised position. Yet that is what Bush did. Proper negotiation is done from a more strong, extreme position...and then you negotiate and compromise downwards from there. It's like that scene from Seinfeld: JERRY: So what'd we get? GEORGE: (big smile) Eight thousand dollars. JERRY: Beautiful! GEORGE: (quietly) That's uh, for the two of us. HELEN: Four thousand apiece? JERRY: Lemme see if I understand this. In other words, you held out for... less money. GEORGE: I was wrong, you were right. JERRY: You know, the basic idea of negotiation, as I understand it, is to get your price to go... up. GEORGE: You're smart, I'm dumb. JERRY: You know, this is how they negotiate in the bizarro world.
[FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT IF?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Translation: Judy is obsessed with Barry. I leave FFL for months on end when I'm traveling or otherwise busy but when I do check in, there it is, as sure as death and taxes: Judy obsessing about Barry Funny how when you pop in, you never seem to do so when Barry's obsessing about me. Since you rarely actually contribute anything here, I guess it's easy enough for you just to wait until I've made a post concerning Barry, then make your appearance to complain about it. in nearly every post. Hardly. Most here have realized by now that the obsession goes the other way. In most cases, I'm just responding to it. (The post you quote is one of the exceptions. But I guess you could wait for that to happen as well.) And response is necessary, because--as you haven't yet figured out about your good buddy (or have chosen to ignore)--Barry is a chronic and vicious liar, among other unsavory traits. Another is his propensity to attack other posters, directly or indirectly, and almost always unfairly, in the vast majority of his posts. Quite a guy. I couldn't have made your obsession any more obvious than you just did in the paragraph above Judith. Good grief, you're more obsessed with me than Barry is. Oh I think not Judy. I am however obsessed by many things as those who know me can attest. Sorry, but you're not on the list.
[FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT IF?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfr...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: snip I couldn't have made your obsession any more obvious than you just did in the paragraph above Judith. Good grief, you're more obsessed with me than Barry is. Oh I think not Judy. Yeah, that's probably an exaggeration; you're not *more* obsessed with me than Barry is. That would be quite a feat. I am however obsessed by many things as those who know me can attest. Sorry, but you're not on the list. I think I appear on the list whenever you arrive for a visit at FFL. Four of your six posts this time around have been about me, just for example. Interestingly, though, you didn't respond to this: Another thing that seems to never change, regardless of long I'm awayyour continued fantasy of thinking that you know what most here think. Quite a gal. Funny, because Barry announces what most here (or often everyone here) thinks (or knows) far, *far* more often than I do, yet I've never seen you chide him for it.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Compassionate Conservatism
shempmcgurk wrote: Why do I try? Sigh. Bhairitu, why don't you go to Wikipedia or some other source (I've already done this at least a dozen times here, probably half those times for your benefit) and see what your federal government actually spends money on. Most of it is for social programs such as Social Security, Medicaid, Medicare, and education. These aren't Bush's cronies. Grow the fuck up. We're waiting for you to grow up. Nothing like trying to explain economics to a 10 year old. :-D All you've done is name programs. There is a big program called The Iraq War you conveniently left out. Ever heard of Kellogg, Brown and Root? Or how about Halliburton? Cronies, cronies, cronies. And that was just naming two. Must feel strange being one dimensional? Democrats put forth programs that help the public. Yes, like Fannie-Mae and Freddie-Mac where the law is that you HAVE to give loans to people who can't afford to pay them back. Tell me something, Bhairitu: if the Republicans were so against helping the public, as you put it, why then when they controlled both houses of Congress and the presidency didn't they get rid of all those programs INSTEAD OF INCREASING THEIR BUDGETS They would have loved to have gotten rid of them. They learned they are not so easy to get rid of. And remember that the Democrat President Clinton signed the welfare reform bill. Please do your fucking homework before you open you pie-hole (as Richard would say). You might use your brain before replying. I don't have to do much homework as most people know the facts I stated but you apparently are not most people and live in an alternate universe of your own making where up is down and down up. And that will have to be done under Obama. Wha?? You mean after a 50+% increase in spending in these programs over the past 8 years you want Obama to INCREASE the spending Or just maintain them? Get your head out of your ass. What is Obama talking about anyway? Job programs. The programs you have mentioned are not job programs. Get with the program or at least the right ones. :-D :-D :-D But you the selfish would rather trip over homeless and dodge bullets from the postal unemployed that spare a few tax pennies to help them out. Let's try some trickle up instead of that stupid trickle down that never worked anyway. However like Clinton he will try to get that deficit down though that may not be possible given the damage that BushCo has done. If I'm not mistaken you are not a crony of Bush so you will do better under the Obama administration but it won't happen overnight. Did you take a lot of drugs in the '60s? What has that to do with anything?
