date:20131212

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> On 12/12/2013 04:36 PM, authfriend@... wrote:
> >
> > I'm of two minds about the use of existing serious music in films.
On
> > one hand, at least moviegoers get some exposure to it. On the other,
> > it imposes a kind of sentimentality (positive and/or negative) on
the
> > music that is not native to it and that can impede genuine
> > appreciation. The ultimate horrible example, for me, is the use of
> > "Ride of the Valkyries" as background for the atrocities portrayed
in
> > /Apocalypse Now/. It's almost impossible to hear the music without
the
> > mental intrusion of images of helicopters slaughtering innocent
> > Vietnamese civilians. Yes, both have to do with battles, but of very
> > different types--one mythical and gloriously heroic, the other
utterly
> > depraved.
>
> Coppola was using that piece to mock the war.  Coppola's father was a
> professional musician and composer.

The very *idea* that there can be such a thing as "mythical and
gloriously heroic" battle reveals a great deal about the person who
tries to turn *everything* into a battle.

*All* forms of battle reveal nothing more than a poverty of imagination
and intelligence on the part of the participants.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ice Krispies

> Bhairitu asked:
>  >
> > How do you define "real music"?
>
>--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  the non-musician said to the
musician:
>
> I know it when I hear it.

To quote someone else on this forum, "That's what I was afraid she'd
say." :-)

As for the non-musician's ability to "know" anything, see my previous
post.  :-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Big Bang totally unnecessary

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  Anartaxius wrote:
>
> Comments on jr_esq's response to Barry
>
>  What are the characteristics of a 'Prime Mover'? How do you find
those out? How do you determine if there is a prime mover or not? What
is the test?

Thanks for your comments on all of this, Xeno. As should be obvious, I
don't feel like entering into a discussion with either jr_esq or the
Judester about any of this because it feels a little like getting into
an argument with a retard. No one "wins" in a situation like this, and
nothing is to be accomplished because they simply cannot step beyond
their assumptions about the world and how it works. Their idea of a
"debate" about such matters is to always try to steer the other person
into making the same assumptions they do, so they can then declare,
"Aha! I won."  :-)

As for "knowing," and "the truth," I think I've stated my opinion about
such myths often enough in the past to not have to do so again. I prefer
to allow those who believe that they "know" things to live in the
illusions they have chosen.  :-)

[FairfieldLife] RE: Big Bang totally unnecessary

Anartaxius,
 

 You should reread MMY's commentary on the Bhagavad Gita to understand the 
meaning between the absolute and the relative.  He stated that human beings 
live both the absolute and the relative at the same time.
 

 Specifically, the juncture of the absolute and the relative is located in the 
human brain.  It is at this juncture that bliss consciousness is experienced.  
By definition, it is not possible to experience the absolute in the relative 
world.  But the bliss is attained when thoughts are transcended at the junction 
between the relative and the absolute.
 

 Also, the absolute is located at the junctions between the waking, sleeping 
and dreaming states of consciousness.  Similarly, the absolute can be found in 
between the syllables of the mantra.
 

 Further, once bliss consciousness is attained it can be experienced and can 
co-exist along with the waking, sleeping and dreaming states of consciousness.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ice Krispies

Well, other than Pollini - it's all Pollini tonight. :)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ice Krispies

Judy, that Pollini Chopin Piano Sonata is PHENOMENAL! HEAVENLY!  It nurtures 
the soul.  I am particularly fond of classical piano, if you have other 
recommendations.  Yes, I'm asking and I'm not proud.  Share, seriously, you 
should check it out - the third link that Judy posted.  They are all great, but 
if you like piano

[FairfieldLife] Suicide Bombers Are Criminals

So says a top cleric in Saudi Arabia.  We now wonder how long he can stay alive 
after making this statement. 
 

 
http://news.yahoo.com/saudi-top-cleric-calls-suicide-bombers-39-criminals-154616924.html
 
http://news.yahoo.com/saudi-top-cleric-calls-suicide-bombers-39-criminals-154616924.html

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: car older than 2012? Don't use E15 gas...

You might want to actually read what Snopes has to say.
 

 Richard trolled:
 
 < < We can't even trust Snopes to tell us the truth anymore. Go figure.> >
 

 On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 6:42 AM, Share Long mailto:sharelong60@...> wrote:
   Richard, yesterday I filled up the tank. I use 87 since that is what it says 
to use in the owner's manual. But 87 says it has ethanol in it! Now, this is 
what I call a real life zen koan because basically I have to surrender. I have 
to take action and leave the rest up to Life, Universe, God, Whatever!

Re: [FairfieldLife] You've got mail - problems.

Hate to tell ya, but I haven't had any trouble with Yahoo Mail at all. ROTFL.
 
Richard trolled:

 << Hey, Judy, how's that Yahoo Mail working out for ya? LoL!
 
 "A days-long outage for some Yahoo e-mail users is casting a dark shadow over 
a perceived turnaround at the once-mighty Internet player. Some users of Yahoo 
Mail, which underwent a major overhaul over the summer, were still without 
service Thursday from an outage that started late Monday." >>

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: car older than 2012? Don't use E15 gas...

We can't even trust Snopes to tell us the truth anymore. Go figure.


On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 6:42 AM, Share Long  wrote:

>
>
> Richard, yesterday I filled up the tank. I use 87 since that is what it
> says to use in the owner's manual. But 87 says it has ethanol in it! Now,
> this is what I call a real life zen koan because basically I have to
> surrender. I have to take action and leave the rest up to Life, Universe,
> God, Whatever!
>
>
>
>
>   On Thursday, December 12, 2013 6:27 AM, Richard Williams <
> pundits...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  It's really a moot point since there are probably zero E15 pumps in all
> of Iowa. And, I don't need no Snopes in order to understand the oil
> business - my family has been in the oil business for twenty years and Dad
> still works for Ridge Oil up near Graham.
>
> The use of ethanol in automobiles lowers fuel economy because is has a
> lower energy content. Ethanol creates more smog than gasoline and it is
> more expensive to produce and the production of ethanol increases global
> warming emissions. The only beneficiaries of ethanol use are repair
> garages. The cost to replace a fuel pump on your car could exceed $1000.
>
> The use of ethanol is in decline and the industry is going bankrupt. The
> only reason for ethanol use is by a government mandate. It's just an
> outrageous scam by the federal government.
>
> The U.S. is 70% to being fuel and energy independent, thanks to the oil
> production at the Bakken and Eagle Ford Shale. Most of U.S. oil imports
> come from Canada anyway. The bottom line is, unless you drive a Flex-fuel
> auto, avoid the uses of ethanol gasoline if you can.
>
> Before you pump, read the label on the pump!
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 1:17 PM,  wrote:
>
>
>  So you watch Fox News, eh? That could explain a great deal.
>
> BTW, before freaking out over E15 gas, read this from Snopes.com:
>
> http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/e15.asp
>
> Snopes's verdict is "Mixed"--parts of the E15 scare story are true, parts
> aren't.
>
> Share warned:
>
> > in case you don't already know about it:
>  *http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceW9Nc1hVHU
> *
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: 100 Great Rock Artists


On 12/8/2013 9:00 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:

*My Yahoo Mail hasn't been down at all.*

How about now? LoL!

"...the initial Yahoo Mail issues have turned into a full-scale 
disaster, with various outages that seem to be taking place across the 
network, impacting countless individuals and the many small businesses 
that rely on the service."


'Kick the Can — Yahoo Mail Is a Consumer Disaster, but Company’s 
Response Is Even Worse'
http://allthingsd.com/20131211/kick-the-can-yahoo-mail-is-a-consumer-disaster

Re: [FairfieldLife] You've got mail - problems.


Hey, Judy, how's that Yahoo Mail working out for ya? LoL!

"A days-long outage for some Yahoo e-mail users is casting a dark shadow 
over a perceived turnaround at the once-mighty Internet player. Some 
users of Yahoo Mail, which underwent a major overhaul over the summer, 
were still without service Thursday from an outage that started late 
Monday."


'E-mail outage casts shadow over Yahoo turnaround'
http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/12/tech/web/yahoo-email-outage/



On 12/7/2013 12:42 PM, Mike Dixon wrote:

I don't like the new changes either.


On Saturday, December 7, 2013 9:11 AM, Richard J. Williams 
 wrote:

It looks like the beginning of the end for Yahoo. Yahoo SUCKS!

We're experiencing some technical difficulties...three days.

http://downdetector.com/status/yahoo-mail

'Yahoo users outraged over redesign'
http://nypost.com/2013/10/17/youve-got-mail-problems-yahoo-users-outraged-over-redesign/

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ice Krispies

Yeah, that's a complete non sequitur in this context.
 

 Not everything that "comes to mind" is worth saying. Not everything that 
"comes to mind" makes sense. It pays to think about it before you put it out 
there for others to see.
 
Share fumbled:

 <<< Judy, what comes to mind is the To be or not to be speech in Hamlet. It 
can be considered as a creation in and of itself. But certainly it is best 
considered in context of the entire play. >>>
 

 
 
 On Thursday, December 12, 2013 8:27 PM, Share Long  wrote:
 
   Judy and noozguru, I think music for a movie is simply another art form, 
best appreciated on its own merits rather than compared to another context of 
musical creation.  When I think of some of the wonderful music I've encountered 
in movies, I only feel gratitude to those who created it. One of the first 
movies to bring my attention to its score was Chariots of Fire with its 
compositions by Vangelis, who also wrote the haunting music for Year of Living 
Dangerously. Also the music by Maurice Jarre in Peter Weir's Witness. I could 
go on and on but only want to honor the composers who wrote such incredible 
works even though they knew their sounds might play second fiddle to the 
visuals.  
 

 
 
 On Thursday, December 12, 2013 6:36 PM, "authfriend@..."  
wrote:
 
   Some original movie and TV scores are excellent, worth listening to as music 
for its own sake. Others...not so much. For that matter, there's plenty of 
"real" popular music as well (e.g., the Beatles). And some musicals have had 
excellent music (much of Rodgers and Hammerstein, also Loesser's Guys and 
Dolls). The song "My Boy Bill" from R&H's Carousel is a full-blown operatic 
aria (performed brilliantly by Gordon MacRae).
 

 My use of the term "real music" had to do with quality, not genre or medium 
snobbery.
 

 I've been immersed in good classical music (i.e., serious music, not 
restricted to the classical period) literally since I was in the cradle, FWIW. 
My father, himself an amateur musician, was a musical scholar who taught 
college courses in various types of serious music. My sister sang with the 
Boston Symphony Chorus. I've sung with good amateur choruses as well. I'm not 
exactly a neophyte, as you'd know if you listened to the videos I linked to. 
It's all accessible, but I doubt any of it is on any orchestra's "top 40" list.
 

 I'm not sure what the background of serious composers has to do with the 
appreciation of their music qua music. Wagner was an anti-Semite. Bach was a 
pain in the butt. Schumann was bipolar and died in a mental asylum. So what? 
Their music is transcendent. So is Mozart's. As far as Amadeus is concerned, it 
has quite a few historical inaccuracies; Mozart was not the inane fop portrayed 
in the movie (or the stage play). But it wouldn't matter if he were.
 

 And BTW, while sponsorship was a factor as late as Mozart's day, its 
importance lessened pretty quickly after that; composers of the Romantic period 
generally didn't have to cater to aristocrats for their income (OTOH, a lot of 
them lived in straitened circumstances).
 

 Yes, it's scandalous that orchestras need to put on so many "top-40" type 
concerts in order to have sufficient funding. The neglect of music education in 
public schools is appalling.
 

 I'm of two minds about the use of existing serious music in films. On one 
hand, at least moviegoers get some exposure to it. On the other, it imposes a 
kind of sentimentality (positive and/or negative) on the music that is not 
native to it and that can impede genuine appreciation. The ultimate horrible 
example, for me, is the use of "Ride of the Valkyries" as background for the 
atrocities portrayed in Apocalypse Now. It's almost impossible to hear the 
music without the mental intrusion of images of helicopters slaughtering 
innocent Vietnamese civilians. Yes, both have to do with battles, but of very 
different types--one mythical and gloriously heroic, the other utterly depraved.
 

 I don't believe any of the music for Zeffirelli's Romeo and Juliet was genuine 
"Baroque music," by the way, as opposed to pseudo-Baroque pieces composed for 
the movie. The only previously existing serious music used in the film, as far 
as I'm aware, is from the Liebestod from Wagner's Tristan und Isolde, written 
in the 1850s.
 
Bhairitu wrote:

 > > Amusing.  I was an honors music student 
 at a major university with composition as my strength.  What was interesting 
was learning how these guys actually came up with their music.  There even are 
some pieces that are adaptations of bar songs of the composer's day.
 
 There really is no venue for serious composers in this age but writing movie 
scores and for TV is one for them.  Even some of my composition professors at 
the university wrote for film.  Murphy's "Adagio in D minor" is a simple and 
beautiful piece which functions as mood generating background for the film.  
Hans Zimmer also wrote a simple piece for the film "I

[FairfieldLife] RE: Big Bang totally unnecessary



 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:
 

 Re: "There is no you. You are gone. There is just life. Sounds crazy doesn't 
it."  Xeno, how are you defining "you"? What is writing this? What makes the 
choice to have hot chocolate instead of some other drink and watch a frivolous 
TV show?  Seems like an individual choice.  
 

 

   
 Comments on jr_esq's response to Barry

 

 What are the characteristics of a 'Prime Mover'? How do you find those out? 
How do you determine if there is a prime mover or not? What is the test?
 

 With regard to experiences that result from meditation etc., I have had a 
number of really interesting experiences in my life in this regard, but I can 
only relate them, but I can't show them to anyone. If I speak about them they 
are simply data which can be believed or disbelieved, i.e., opinion. These 
experiences fall into two categories. 1) awakening experiences and 2) spiritual 
experiences, and they are very different. The spiritual experiences have shall 
we say a religious flavour, while the awakening experiences make the religious 
like experiences seem like straw, unreal and also do not reveal anything other 
than what I previously thought about these things was insubstantial, that is 
spirlitual experiences are in the nature of very nice hallucinations, and 
awakening experiences have a rock solid sort of effect that cannot be doubted, 
but they are empty, tautological.
 

 What those awaking experiences reveal is the idea of a prime mover is not 
real, nor is the idea there is no prime mover real. There is experience, but if 
you call it anything, that calling is not it. People who push religious 
explanations either believe what they say based on what others say, or they 
have spiritual experiences. Atheists on the other hand either simply do not 
have such a belief or some have an active not-theistic belief. Those that have 
awakening experiences are probably more at a loss at what to say because 
nothing can be said about it that is true. The experience is undefined, you 
cannot call it a prime mover or anything, as no label will stick. There is no 
proof except in experience, so no proof can be offered. We humans are well 
noted among ourselves for pursuing phantasies. As I have said before, 
enlightenment is the resolution of the ultimate confidence game. The joke is on 
us, for it answers a question that need never have been asked. But as we are 
kind of dumb, we do ask it. Now you could call this experience finding God. But 
that word is so pale and inadequate. Rather it is more likely you would call a 
spiritual experience something like God or personal evidence of God because 
those experiences happen when the mind still thinks it is a person acting in a 
larger universe that is bigger than the mind and person rather than simply a 
function that runs within a larger framework of the entire range of experience. 
 

 You can tell people of both types of experience, but only the awakening kind 
is really useful for living and feeling fulfilled. This is the kind that the 
term enlightenment applies to. But as I said, that reveals nothing other than 
whatever idea you had of enlightenment was, it was not correct, and that you 
had always been living the full value that enlightenment reveals. Very 
paradoxical. It is really great though. But this is just my opinion. Are you 
stupid or smart enough to pursue enlightenment? If you want to find God, or a 
prime mover, you are going to fall short, because those terms, in spite of what 
you might think about them, set certain kinds of limits, in other words, using 
those words structures the mind with boundaries. If you visulaise a prime 
mover, those boundaries create a prime mover in you mind that has a constipated 
value. This is why spiritual disciplines use meditation techniques, to break 
those boundaries down. Not to have spiritual experiences, but to get away from 
them, even though as the mind is breaking up, releasing stresses as it were, 
you may have spiritual experiences, hallucinations, and so on. You treat them 
like thoughts in TM, no big deal. They become an obstacle to clear experience 
if you remain attached to having had them. It is pretty hard to avoid 
attachment to spiritual experiences, so it takes a while to get over them, but 
an awakening experience is different, there will always be something about it 
that cannot be grasped; you cannot pin it down or hold onto it. Because at this 
point you realise that awakening is just another experience. It will pass. Some 
other value takes hold in life, and gradually the whole edifice of spiritual 
chotskies falls away; religion falls away, beliefs fall away. It is no longer 
necessary to care about these things.
 

 If you want others to have this experience, though, you can create a religion, 
and if you are good, it might work for a while until your followers screw it 
up. How many gods has mankind come up with in the last 10,000 years? Eve

[FairfieldLife] RE: 100 Great Rock Artists


 Re "I first saw [Airplane] at the first "Human Be-In" held in Golden Gate Park 
in 1967 and later at Chet Helm's Family Dog venue in San Francisco and at the 
Avalon Ballroom." : 
 You lucky sod. I'd have loved that. There's a great clip of a pre-Slick 
Airplane at the Fillmore Auditorium in 1966. Looks fun. (Are you in the 
audience?)

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWxaW7WxUL4 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWxaW7WxUL4

 Grace Slick & The Great Society playing live were also impressive. My 
favourite Airplane (cum-Starship) album was Blows Against the Empire. The last 
hurrah for hippiedom.

[FairfieldLife] RE: What I have always dreaded . . .

Aha! Thanks.

[FairfieldLife] RE: What I Did Today

stating that he "could whip any bunch of Indians" 

 

 Pride before a fall. It seems to be a common failing in the military.
 

 Another "western" gun that has a certain aesthetic appeal are those old 
Confederate revolvers. As the South lacked the industrial capacity of the North 
they made the non-stressed gun parts of brass. But instead of looking cheap and 
cheerful the yellow metal had a gold-like glamour. 
 I noticed that the movie "Ride with the Devil" picked up on that aspect as 
part of its look and really emphasised the golden glow in the shoot-out scenes.

[FairfieldLife] RE: Big Bang totally unnecessary



 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Sherwood Schwartz, the creator of Gilligan's Island, said he patterned the 
'seven stranded castaways' after the seven deadly sins but he didn't admit it 
until years later in his book about the show. (There is that number '7' again, 
as in seven states of unconsciousness)
 

  The sins and their associated characters:
 

 The Professor – Pride 
Thurston Howell III - Greed 
Ginger - Lust 
Mary Ann - Envy (of Ginger's looks) 
Mrs. Lovey Howell - Gluttony 
The Skipper - Anger
Gilligan – Sloth
 

 Some have speculated that the castaways were in Hell and Gilligan, who always 
wore red, did all he could to ensure they stayed there by sabotaging their 
escape plots, thus Gilligan is Satan.
 

 And everybody panned it as a dumb show.
 

 Reminds me of a Twilight Zone episode where a man dies, goes to heaven and 
then gets totally bored by old folks talking about their vacation or something 
like that. Then he finds out this is not heaven, it's hell, and it lasts 
forever.
 

 Sounds like Florida or Palm Springs.

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 
[Xeno]:
 It is really cold here, because I have the heat turned down to save $$. Maybe 
I will make some hot cocoa and watch a totally frivolous TV show. 
 

 [Ann highlight and below]:
 Is that what one would term a redundant statement?
 


There are occasionally TV shows with more depth, but you have to search around.
 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Barry,
 

 It's logical to say that there is a Prime Mover if one reaches an infinite 
regression situation.  It isn't arbitrary.   Specifically, space and time are 
mental constructs.  They cannot exist without a Knower.  Without a Knower, 
there is NOTHING, NOWHERE, NOTIME.  How is it possible for the universe to 
start in the past and to exist as it is now?  As such, the Knower is the Prime 
Mover.
 

 As a human being, you're supposed to find out and understand the world around 
us since you too are a knower.  You cannot force everyone to accept what you 
believe is true without making any inquiry-- scientific is the best--to get the 
right answer.  Otherwise, you become a dictator.
 

 Although some church thinkers do not agree, there are some scientists who 
believe that it's possible to know what happened before the universe began.  
These include Roger Penrose, Michio Kaku and Leonard Susskind.  Are you 
criticizing these scientists for making an inquiry that you believe is 
unnecessary?
 

 IMO, human beings are knowers and should use their full intelligence and 
reason to find out how the world works, including how the universe started, and 
if possible to know what happened before it started.  What is wrong with that?
 

 There is no greater enjoyment and bliss than knowing the Truth.  If you enjoy 
your day today, there is nothing wrong with that.  But is it enough?

[FairfieldLife] RE: Unanswered question

Although I cited the Gnostics with approval a few posts above I have to confess 
than when I read their literature there is definitely something slightly 
sinister about their texts. Too much distaste for the body and sex; too much 
yearning for escape. That could simply be a literary trope of course. We can't 
know for sure at this distance.

[FairfieldLife] RE: Big Bang totally unnecessary

This is very humorous and I see the fit. However, I think Gilligan as Satan is 
a bit of a stretch. Gilligan's Island was the only show I was allowed to watch 
growing up in that it fit the 30 minute timeframe and was on just before dinner 
and didn't have any real violence in it. All that subliminal messaging took its 
toll, I must admit. :)

[FairfieldLife] RE: What I have always dreaded . . .

2013-12-12 Thread anartaxius



 Windows control panel for the System, Windows update, Settings. Choose to be 
notified but not to download and install. Then you can do that when more 
convenient. Most Windows updates become available on the second Tuesday of each 
month, unless there is a serious security problem. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 You can set Windows to notify you when updates are available:

 

 Thanks. How do I do that?

[FairfieldLife] RE: Big Bang totally unnecessary

Re " I have the heat turned down to save $$.":
 

 If you're so smart why aren't you rich?
 

 Sorry, just being cute. But aren't "awakening experiences with their 
rock-solid sort of effect that cannot be doubted" more amenable to explanations 
that prioritise idealism (mind is more fundamental than matter)? Perhaps you 
don't trust philosophical explanations; but as we're animals that enjoy 
speculating why knock it? Don't be a party-pooper.
 

 (PS: aren't you in the States? Isn't gas dirt-cheap over there?)

[FairfieldLife] RE: Big Bang totally unnecessary

2013-12-12 Thread anartaxius

Sherwood Schwartz, the creator of Gilligan's Island, said he patterned the 
'seven stranded castaways' after the seven deadly sins but he didn't admit it 
until years later in his book about the show. (There is that number '7' again, 
as in seven states of unconsciousness)
 

  The sins and their associated characters:
 

 The Professor – Pride 
Thurston Howell III - Greed 
Ginger - Lust 
Mary Ann - Envy (of Ginger's looks) 
Mrs. Lovey Howell - Gluttony 
The Skipper - Anger
Gilligan – Sloth
 

 Some have speculated that the castaways were in Hell and Gilligan, who always 
wore red, did all he could to ensure they stayed there by sabotaging their 
escape plots, thus Gilligan is Satan.
 

 And everybody panned it as a dumb show.
 

 Reminds me of a Twilight Zone episode where a man dies, goes to heaven and 
then gets totally bored by old folks talking about their vacation or something 
like that. Then he finds out this is not heaven, it's hell, and it lasts 
forever.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 
[Xeno]:
 It is really cold here, because I have the heat turned down to save $$. Maybe 
I will make some hot cocoa and watch a totally frivolous TV show. 
 

 [Ann highlight and below]:
 Is that what one would term a redundant statement?
 


There are occasionally TV shows with more depth, but you have to search around.
 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Barry,
 

 It's logical to say that there is a Prime Mover if one reaches an infinite 
regression situation.  It isn't arbitrary.   Specifically, space and time are 
mental constructs.  They cannot exist without a Knower.  Without a Knower, 
there is NOTHING, NOWHERE, NOTIME.  How is it possible for the universe to 
start in the past and to exist as it is now?  As such, the Knower is the Prime 
Mover.
 

 As a human being, you're supposed to find out and understand the world around 
us since you too are a knower.  You cannot force everyone to accept what you 
believe is true without making any inquiry-- scientific is the best--to get the 
right answer.  Otherwise, you become a dictator.
 

 Although some church thinkers do not agree, there are some scientists who 
believe that it's possible to know what happened before the universe began.  
These include Roger Penrose, Michio Kaku and Leonard Susskind.  Are you 
criticizing these scientists for making an inquiry that you believe is 
unnecessary?
 

 IMO, human beings are knowers and should use their full intelligence and 
reason to find out how the world works, including how the universe started, and 
if possible to know what happened before it started.  What is wrong with that?
 

 There is no greater enjoyment and bliss than knowing the Truth.  If you enjoy 
your day today, there is nothing wrong with that.  But is it enough?

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: 100 Great Rock Artists

Jefferson Airplane

[image: Inline image 1]

Jefferson Airplane - White Rabbit 1967
http://youtu.be/WANNqr-vcx0

In this song you can hear Grace Slick's great contralto voice. Two hits
from the album Surrealistic Pillow are "Somebody to Love" and "White
Rabbit", listed in Rolling Stone's "500 Greatest Songs of All Time."

I first saw them at the first "Human Be-In" held in Golden Gate Park in
1967 and later at Chet Helm's Family Dog venue in San Francisco and at the
Avalon Ballroom. I once played snooker with Mac Rebennack (Dr. John, the
Night Tripper) at the Airplane mansion down in the basement which was
located at 2400 Fulton Street. My ex-wife, Sally Mann, married Spencer
Dryden (RIP), the Airplane drummer, after he got fired from the band,
according to Tamarkin. Go figure.

Work cited:

'Got a revolution!: the turbulent flight of Jefferson Airplane'
Jeff Tamarkin
Atria Books, 2003
p. 197


On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 8:34 PM, Richard Williams wrote:

> The Grateful Dead
>
> [image: Inline image 1]
>
> Cover art by Mouse
>
> Grateful Dead - Touch of Grey 1987
> http://youtu.be/wOaXTg3nAuY
>
> Rolling Stone ranked them 57th in the list of the "Greatest Artists of all
> Time." I attended several Dead performances in San Francisco in 1966 at the
> Fillmore Auditorium and at the Avalon Ballroom along with Owsley Stanley.
> The Dead are listed in the Guinness Book of World Records as performing the
> most rock concerts - 2,318 concerts. Founding members: Jerry Garcia -
> guitar, vocals; Bob Weir - guitar, vocals; Ron "Pigpen" McKernan -
> keyboards, harmonica, vocals; Phil Lesh -bass, vocals; and Bill Kreutzmann
> - drums.
>
> Read more:
>
> 'Rock of Ages: The Rolling Stone History of Rock and Roll'
> by Ed Ward, Geoffrey Stokes and Ken Tucker
> Rolling Stone Press
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 1:48 PM, Richard Williams wrote:
>
>> Heart
>>
>> [image: Inline image 1]
>>
>> Heart - Crazy On You (live 1977) HQ
>> http://youtu.be/V44HiAX91Hs
>>
>> One of the greatest rock bands of all time, Ann and Nancy Wilson. Number
>> 57 on VH1's "100 Greatest Artists of Hard Rock". They performed at the
>> first Texxas Jam on the July 4 weekend in 1978 in Dallas, Texas, and at the
>> Cotton Bowl in front of 100,000 people, along with Aerosmith, Van Halen,
>> Ted Nugent, Journey, Frank Marino, Atlanta Rhythm Section, Head East, and
>> Walter Egan. "Heart is among the most commercially enduring hard rock bands
>> in history. This span of over four decades gives them the longest span of
>> Top 10 albums by a female fronted band."
>>
>> Read more:
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heart_(band)
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 1:02 PM, Richard Williams wrote:
>>
>>> Doug Sahm
>>>
>>> [image: Inline image 1]
>>>
>>> Sir Douglas Quintet - She's About A Mover
>>> http://youtu.be/XboE3_7KZ3Y
>>>
>>> Taking advantage of the British invasion! This song has a unique,
>>> haunting sound - a credit to Augie Meyers' signature playing on a Vox organ
>>> that I had to lug around in a U-Haul for two months in 1965.
>>>
>>> Notes:
>>>
>>> Back in 1964 I met Doug Sahm at the Blue Note Lounge in San Antonio,
>>> Texas back in 1964. Sahm was a child prodigy in country music - he first
>>> sang on the radio at the age of five. Sahm became a significant figure in
>>> roots rock and other genres. Sahm was proficient on dozens of musical
>>> instruments. He was a friend of Bob Dylan who played on one his albums.
>>>
>>> In 1965 I worked for Sahm as his sound assistant and roadie on a tour
>>> arranged by the William Morris Agency out of Los Angeles. I was at the Cow
>>> Palace with Sahm in 1965 at on a Beach Boys tour, featuring The Grateful
>>> Dead, Jefferson Airplane, and The Birds. Sahm still owes me over $1000 for
>>> that gig - may he RIP.
>>>
>>> We attended Sham concerts dozens of times over the years in San Antonio,
>>> San Francisco, and Austin. The last time I heard from him was a phone
>>> message when he lived in Austin: "Get in touch with me if you want to talk
>>> about baseball or somthin'." Sahm was a big baseball fan.
>>>
>>> Sir Douglas Quintet:
>>>
>>> His first hit was "She's About a Mover" featuring a 12-bar blues
>>> structure and was followed by "The Rains Came", which was played on radio
>>> all over L.A. at the time I moved there with my ex-wife, Sally Mann, who
>>> later was married the late Spencer Dryden of the New Riders of the Purple
>>> Sage. I was good friends with Johnny Perez, who played maracas and
>>> saxophone in the early days of the band.
>>>
>>> The Sir Douglas Quintet had a hit with "Mendocino", which is kind of
>>> corny, but fun to listen to. My favorite Quintet album is "Sir Douglas
>>> Quintet + 2 = Honkey Blues" on Smash Records. A friend of mine, Charles
>>> Winans, did the album cover.
>>>
>>> Sir Douglas Quintet - Austin City Limits
>>> http://youtu.be/PqpgZqUAWmg
>>>
>>> Texas Tornados:
>>>
>>> You've probably heard of "New Kids on the Block" - here's "The Old Guys
>>> in the Street." The Texas Tornad

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ice Krispies

Judy, what comes to mind is the To be or not to be speech in Hamlet. It can be 
considered as a creation in and of itself. But certainly it is best considered 
in context of the entire play.

On Thursday, December 12, 2013 8:27 PM, Share Long  
wrote:

Judy and noozguru, I think music for a movie is simply another art form, best 
appreciated on its own merits rather than compared to another context of 
musical creation.  When I think of some of the wonderful music I've encountered 
in movies, I only feel gratitude to those who created it. One of the first 
movies to bring my attention to its score was Chariots of Fire with its 
compositions by Vangelis, who also wrote the haunting music for Year of Living 
Dangerously. Also the music by Maurice Jarre in Peter Weir's Witness. I could 
go on and on but only want to honor the composers who wrote such incredible 
works even though they knew their sounds might play second fiddle to the 
visuals.  

On Thursday, December 12, 2013 6:36 PM, "authfri...@yahoo.com" 
 wrote:

Some original movie and TV scores are excellent, worth listening to as music 
for its own sake. Others...not so much. For that matter, there's plenty of 
"real" popular music as well (e.g., the Beatles). And some musicals have had 
excellent music (much of Rodgers and Hammerstein, also Loesser's Guys and 
Dolls). The song "My Boy Bill" from R&H's Carousel is a full-blown operatic 
aria (performed brilliantly by Gordon MacRae).

My use of the term "real music" had to do with quality, not genre or medium 
snobbery.

I've been immersed in good classical music (i.e., serious music, not restricted 
to the classical period) literally since I was in the cradle, FWIW. My father, 
himself an amateur musician, was a musical scholar who taught college courses 
in various types of serious music. My sister sang with the Boston Symphony 
Chorus. I've sung with good amateur choruses as well. I'm not exactly a 
neophyte, as you'd know if you listened to the videos I linked to. It's all 
accessible, but I doubt any of it is on any orchestra's "top 40" list.

I'm not sure what the background of serious composers has to do with the 
appreciation of their music qua music. Wagner was an anti-Semite. Bach was a 
pain in the butt. Schumann was bipolar and died in a mental asylum. So what? 
Their music is transcendent. So is Mozart's. As far as Amadeus is concerned, it 
has quite a few historical inaccuracies; Mozart was not the inane fop portrayed 
in the movie (or the stage play). But it wouldn't matter if he were.

And BTW, while sponsorship was a factor as late as Mozart's day, its importance 
lessened pretty quickly after that; composers of the Romantic period generally 
didn't have to cater to aristocrats for their income (OTOH, a lot of them lived 
in straitened circumstances).

Yes, it's scandalous that orchestras need to put on so many "top-40" type 
concerts in order to have sufficient funding. The neglect of music education in 
public schools is appalling.

I'm of two minds about the use of existing serious music in films. On one hand, 
at least moviegoers get some exposure to it. On the other, it imposes a kind of 
sentimentality (positive and/or negative) on the music that is not native to it 
and that can impede genuine appreciation. The ultimate horrible example, for 
me, is the use of "Ride of the Valkyries" as background for the atrocities 
portrayed in Apocalypse Now. It's almost impossible to hear the music without 
the mental intrusion of images of helicopters slaughtering innocent Vietnamese 
civilians. Yes, both have to do with battles, but of very different types--one 
mythical and gloriously heroic, the other utterly depraved.

I don't believe any of the music for Zeffirelli's Romeo and Juliet was genuine 
"Baroque music," by the way, as opposed to pseudo-Baroque pieces composed for 
the movie. The only previously existing serious music used in the film, as far 
as I'm aware, is from the Liebestod from Wagner's Tristan und Isolde, written 
in the 1850s.

Bhairitu wrote:

> > Amusing.  I was an honors music student at a major university with 
> > composition as my strength.  What was interesting was learning how these 
> > guys actually came up with their music.  There even are some pieces that 
> > are adaptations of bar songs of the composer's day.

There really is no venue for serious composers in this age but
  writing movie scores and for TV is one for them.  Even some of my
  composition professors at the university wrote for film.  Murphy's
  "Adagio in D minor" is a simple and beautiful piece which
  functions as mood generating background for the film.  Hans Zimmer
  also wrote a simple piece for the film "Inception" called "Time"
  which is also very popular and spiritual.  Funny thing is I
  noticed it was "Blue Moon" chords played backward. :-D 

The public isn't of course aware (unless they took some good music
  appreciation classes)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ice Krispies

That's fine, I would expect you to say you think that. I was making a different 
point, however.
 

 But note that if this is how you see it, it would never make sense to listen 
to a sound-track album, because what you're essentially saying is that the 
music can't be, or shouldn't be, separated from the context of the film.
 

 Share ventured:
 
 << Judy and noozguru, I think music for a movie is simply another art form, 
best appreciated on its own merits rather than compared to another context of 
musical creation.  When I think of some of the wonderful music I've encountered 
in movies, I only feel gratitude to those who created it. One of the first 
movies to bring my attention to its score was Chariots of Fire with its 
compositions by Vangelis, who also wrote the haunting music for Year of Living 
Dangerously. Also the music by Maurice Jarre in Peter Weir's Witness. I could 
go on and on but only want to honor the composers who wrote such incredible 
works even though they knew their sounds might play second fiddle to the 
visuals.>>
 

 
 
 On Thursday, December 12, 2013 6:36 PM, "authfriend@..."  
wrote:
 
   Some original movie and TV scores are excellent, worth listening to as music 
for its own sake. Others...not so much. For that matter, there's plenty of 
"real" popular music as well (e.g., the Beatles). And some musicals have had 
excellent music (much of Rodgers and Hammerstein, also Loesser's Guys and 
Dolls). The song "My Boy Bill" from R&H's Carousel is a full-blown operatic 
aria (performed brilliantly by Gordon MacRae).
 

 My use of the term "real music" had to do with quality, not genre or medium 
snobbery.
 

 I've been immersed in good classical music (i.e., serious music, not 
restricted to the classical period) literally since I was in the cradle, FWIW. 
My father, himself an amateur musician, was a musical scholar who taught 
college courses in various types of serious music. My sister sang with the 
Boston Symphony Chorus. I've sung with good amateur choruses as well. I'm not 
exactly a neophyte, as you'd know if you listened to the videos I linked to. 
It's all accessible, but I doubt any of it is on any orchestra's "top 40" list.
 

 I'm not sure what the background of serious composers has to do with the 
appreciation of their music qua music. Wagner was an anti-Semite. Bach was a 
pain in the butt. Schumann was bipolar and died in a mental asylum. So what? 
Their music is transcendent. So is Mozart's. As far as Amadeus is concerned, it 
has quite a few historical inaccuracies; Mozart was not the inane fop portrayed 
in the movie (or the stage play). But it wouldn't matter if he were.
 

 And BTW, while sponsorship was a factor as late as Mozart's day, its 
importance lessened pretty quickly after that; composers of the Romantic period 
generally didn't have to cater to aristocrats for their income (OTOH, a lot of 
them lived in straitened circumstances).
 

 Yes, it's scandalous that orchestras need to put on so many "top-40" type 
concerts in order to have sufficient funding. The neglect of music education in 
public schools is appalling.
 

 I'm of two minds about the use of existing serious music in films. On one 
hand, at least moviegoers get some exposure to it. On the other, it imposes a 
kind of sentimentality (positive and/or negative) on the music that is not 
native to it and that can impede genuine appreciation. The ultimate horrible 
example, for me, is the use of "Ride of the Valkyries" as background for the 
atrocities portrayed in Apocalypse Now. It's almost impossible to hear the 
music without the mental intrusion of images of helicopters slaughtering 
innocent Vietnamese civilians. Yes, both have to do with battles, but of very 
different types--one mythical and gloriously heroic, the other utterly depraved.
 

 I don't believe any of the music for Zeffirelli's Romeo and Juliet was genuine 
"Baroque music," by the way, as opposed to pseudo-Baroque pieces composed for 
the movie. The only previously existing serious music used in the film, as far 
as I'm aware, is from the Liebestod from Wagner's Tristan und Isolde, written 
in the 1850s.
 
Bhairitu wrote:

 > > Amusing.  I was an honors music student 
 at a major university with composition as my strength.  What was interesting 
was learning how these guys actually came up with their music.  There even are 
some pieces that are adaptations of bar songs of the composer's day.
 
 There really is no venue for serious composers in this age but writing movie 
scores and for TV is one for them.  Even some of my composition professors at 
the university wrote for film.  Murphy's "Adagio in D minor" is a simple and 
beautiful piece which functions as mood generating background for the film.  
Hans Zimmer also wrote a simple piece for the film "Inception" called "Time" 
which is also very popular and spiritual.  Funny thing is I noticed it was 
"Blue Moon" chords played backward. :-D 
 
 The public isn't of course

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By Gordon LuboldA shock to the system: Gen. Idris of Syria is forced to flee to Qatar after an attack by Islamist fighters. The WSJ's Adam Entous and Rima Abushakra: "Islamist fighters ran the top Western-backed rebel commander in Syria out of his headquarters, and he fled the country, U.S. officials said Wednesday. The Islamists also took over key warehouses holding U.S. military gear for moderate fighters in northern Syria over the weekend. The takeover and flight of Gen. Salim Idris of the Free Syrian Army shocked the U.S., which along with Britain immediately froze delivery of nonlethal military aid to rebels in northern Syria. The turn of events was the strongest sign yet that the U.S.-allied FSA is collapsing under the pressure of Islamist domination of the rebel side of the war. It also weakened the Obama administration's hand as it struggles to org
anize a peace conference next month bringing together rebels and the regime." Read the rest here. The NYT's Michael Gordon, Mark Landler and Anne Barnard: "...The administration acted after warehouses of American-supplied equipment were seized Friday by the Islamic Front, a coalition of Islamist fighters who have broken with the moderate, American-backed opposition, but who also battle Al Qaeda. Administration officials said that the suspension, confirmed on Wednesday, was temporary and that the nonlethal aid, which is supplied by the State Department, could flow again. But with rebels feuding with one another instead of concentrating on fighting Mr. Assad, and wit
h the United States still groping for a reliable partner in Syria, the odds of any peace conference breaking the cycle of bloodshed appeared to have dimmed. For the White House, which has pinned its hopes on a political solution, the fracturing of the opposition raises a number of thorny questions, including whether the United States should work more closely with Islamist forces."Former State Dept. official Frederic C. Hof to The Times: "For all practical purposes, the moderate armed opposition that the administration really wanted to support - albeit in a hesitant and halfhearted way - is now on the sidelines." More here. And there's this: Are world powers jeopardizing the safety of Syria's chemical weapons? FP's Colum Lynch: "In October, the Syrian government asked the world's major powers for armored vehicles and other security gear that it claimed were absolutely vital to safely transporting hundreds of tons of chemical agents out of the country. Many of the most sensitive of those appeals have been widely rejected or ignored, according to United Nations-based sources and internal documents obtained by Foreign Policy. Washington and other Western capitals have been reluctant to hand over to the Bashar al-Assad regime equipment that could also be used in its war against Syria's rebels. But the U.N.'s chemical weapons watchdog believes that Damascus' requests are legitimate, raising the uncomfortable question: are the U.S. and its allies doing enough to keep Syria's deadly chemicals safe?" Read the rest here. Welcome to Thursday's edition of Situation Report. If you'd like to sign up to receive Situation Report, send us a note at gordon.lub...@foreignpolicy.com and we'll just stick you on. And if you like what you see, tell a friend. And if you have a report you want teased, a piece of news, or a good tidbit, send it to us early for maximum tease, because if you see something, we hope you'll say something -- to Situation Report. And one more thing: please follow us @glubold.
Diplomacy's golden age? John Kerry spoke at Foreign Policy's big "Transformational Trends 2014" event at the Four Seasons in Georgetown yesterday. FP's Yochi Dreazen: "Secretary of State John Kerry offered a wide-ranging defense of the Obama administration's diplomatic efforts across the Mideast, acknowledging that its ongoing talks with Iran, Syria and Israel had no guarantee of success but insisting that they offered the only real chance of bringing peace to one of the world's most troubled regions. Kerry, speaking at an event sponsored by Foreign Policy and the State Department's Policy Planning staff, focused much of his remarks on the administration's controversial nuclear pact with Iran and its chemical weapon deal with Syria, but he also spoke passionately about his current push to secure a peace deal between Israel and the Palestinians." The rest here. The full text of Kerry's speech (some said it was rousing) at FP's Transformational Trends 2014 here. Passport trouble: Edward Snowden is on

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: 100 Great Rock Artists

The Grateful Dead

[image: Inline image 1]

Cover art by Mouse

Grateful Dead - Touch of Grey 1987
http://youtu.be/wOaXTg3nAuY

Rolling Stone ranked them 57th in the list of the "Greatest Artists of all
Time." I attended several Dead performances in San Francisco in 1966 at the
Fillmore Auditorium and at the Avalon Ballroom along with Owsley Stanley.
The Dead are listed in the Guinness Book of World Records as performing the
most rock concerts - 2,318 concerts. Founding members: Jerry Garcia -
guitar, vocals; Bob Weir - guitar, vocals; Ron "Pigpen" McKernan -
keyboards, harmonica, vocals; Phil Lesh -bass, vocals; and Bill Kreutzmann
- drums.

Read more:

'Rock of Ages: The Rolling Stone History of Rock and Roll'
by Ed Ward, Geoffrey Stokes and Ken Tucker
Rolling Stone Press


On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 1:48 PM, Richard Williams wrote:

> Heart
>
> [image: Inline image 1]
>
> Heart - Crazy On You (live 1977) HQ
> http://youtu.be/V44HiAX91Hs
>
> One of the greatest rock bands of all time, Ann and Nancy Wilson. Number
> 57 on VH1's "100 Greatest Artists of Hard Rock". They performed at the
> first Texxas Jam on the July 4 weekend in 1978 in Dallas, Texas, and at the
> Cotton Bowl in front of 100,000 people, along with Aerosmith, Van Halen,
> Ted Nugent, Journey, Frank Marino, Atlanta Rhythm Section, Head East, and
> Walter Egan. "Heart is among the most commercially enduring hard rock bands
> in history. This span of over four decades gives them the longest span of
> Top 10 albums by a female fronted band."
>
> Read more:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heart_(band)
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 1:02 PM, Richard Williams wrote:
>
>> Doug Sahm
>>
>> [image: Inline image 1]
>>
>> Sir Douglas Quintet - She's About A Mover
>> http://youtu.be/XboE3_7KZ3Y
>>
>> Taking advantage of the British invasion! This song has a unique,
>> haunting sound - a credit to Augie Meyers' signature playing on a Vox organ
>> that I had to lug around in a U-Haul for two months in 1965.
>>
>> Notes:
>>
>> Back in 1964 I met Doug Sahm at the Blue Note Lounge in San Antonio,
>> Texas back in 1964. Sahm was a child prodigy in country music - he first
>> sang on the radio at the age of five. Sahm became a significant figure in
>> roots rock and other genres. Sahm was proficient on dozens of musical
>> instruments. He was a friend of Bob Dylan who played on one his albums.
>>
>> In 1965 I worked for Sahm as his sound assistant and roadie on a tour
>> arranged by the William Morris Agency out of Los Angeles. I was at the Cow
>> Palace with Sahm in 1965 at on a Beach Boys tour, featuring The Grateful
>> Dead, Jefferson Airplane, and The Birds. Sahm still owes me over $1000 for
>> that gig - may he RIP.
>>
>> We attended Sham concerts dozens of times over the years in San Antonio,
>> San Francisco, and Austin. The last time I heard from him was a phone
>> message when he lived in Austin: "Get in touch with me if you want to talk
>> about baseball or somthin'." Sahm was a big baseball fan.
>>
>> Sir Douglas Quintet:
>>
>> His first hit was "She's About a Mover" featuring a 12-bar blues
>> structure and was followed by "The Rains Came", which was played on radio
>> all over L.A. at the time I moved there with my ex-wife, Sally Mann, who
>> later was married the late Spencer Dryden of the New Riders of the Purple
>> Sage. I was good friends with Johnny Perez, who played maracas and
>> saxophone in the early days of the band.
>>
>> The Sir Douglas Quintet had a hit with "Mendocino", which is kind of
>> corny, but fun to listen to. My favorite Quintet album is "Sir Douglas
>> Quintet + 2 = Honkey Blues" on Smash Records. A friend of mine, Charles
>> Winans, did the album cover.
>>
>> Sir Douglas Quintet - Austin City Limits
>> http://youtu.be/PqpgZqUAWmg
>>
>> Texas Tornados:
>>
>> You've probably heard of "New Kids on the Block" - here's "The Old Guys
>> in the Street." The Texas Tornados is a Tejano band. Its music is a fusion
>> of rock, country and various Mexican styles. Freddy Fender, Flaco Jiménez,
>> Augie Meyers, and Doug Sahm, with  Louie Ortega, Speedy Sparks and Ernie
>> Durawa. This is Tex-Mex at it's best! That's me in the hat doin' the two
>> step!
>>
>> Texas Tornados, Who Were You Thinking Of? - Gruene Hall, 1992
>> http://youtu.be/L6ON9tlAQ-8
>>
>> Sahm, Meyers and Jiménez are from the San Antonio area. Their 2005 Live
>> from Austin album was a recording of a 1990 performance on the TV series
>> Austin City Limits. The Texas Tornados won a Grammy Award in 1991.
>>
>> Read more:
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doug_Sahm
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sir_Douglas_Quintet
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Tornados
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 9:32 AM, Richard Williams wrote:
>>
>>> The Rolling Stones
>>>
>>> [image: Inline image 1]
>>>
>>> The Rolling Stones - Start Me Up - Official Promo
>>> http://youtu.be/SGyOaCXr8Lw
>>>
>>> Where to begin? I first saw the Stones at the San Antonio State Fair
>>> back in 1964, wh

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ice Krispies

Judy and noozguru, I think music for a movie is simply another art form, best 
appreciated on its own merits rather than compared to another context of 
musical creation.  When I think of some of the wonderful music I've encountered 
in movies, I only feel gratitude to those who created it. One of the first 
movies to bring my attention to its score was Chariots of Fire with its 
compositions by Vangelis, who also wrote the haunting music for Year of Living 
Dangerously. Also the music by Maurice Jarre in Peter Weir's Witness. I could 
go on and on but only want to honor the composers who wrote such incredible 
works even though they knew their sounds might play second fiddle to the 
visuals.  

On Thursday, December 12, 2013 6:36 PM, "authfri...@yahoo.com" 
 wrote:

Some original movie and TV scores are excellent, worth listening to as music 
for its own sake. Others...not so much. For that matter, there's plenty of 
"real" popular music as well (e.g., the Beatles). And some musicals have had 
excellent music (much of Rodgers and Hammerstein, also Loesser's Guys and 
Dolls). The song "My Boy Bill" from R&H's Carousel is a full-blown operatic 
aria (performed brilliantly by Gordon MacRae).

My use of the term "real music" had to do with quality, not genre or medium 
snobbery.

I've been immersed in good classical music (i.e., serious music, not restricted 
to the classical period) literally since I was in the cradle, FWIW. My father, 
himself an amateur musician, was a musical scholar who taught college courses 
in various types of serious music. My sister sang with the Boston Symphony 
Chorus. I've sung with good amateur choruses as well. I'm not exactly a 
neophyte, as you'd know if you listened to the videos I linked to. It's all 
accessible, but I doubt any of it is on any orchestra's "top 40" list.

I'm not sure what the background of serious composers has to do with the 
appreciation of their music qua music. Wagner was an anti-Semite. Bach was a 
pain in the butt. Schumann was bipolar and died in a mental asylum. So what? 
Their music is transcendent. So is Mozart's. As far as Amadeus is concerned, it 
has quite a few historical inaccuracies; Mozart was not the inane fop portrayed 
in the movie (or the stage play). But it wouldn't matter if he were.

And BTW, while sponsorship was a factor as late as Mozart's day, its importance 
lessened pretty quickly after that; composers of the Romantic period generally 
didn't have to cater to aristocrats for their income (OTOH, a lot of them lived 
in straitened circumstances).

Yes, it's scandalous that orchestras need to put on so many "top-40" type 
concerts in order to have sufficient funding. The neglect of music education in 
public schools is appalling.

I'm of two minds about the use of existing serious music in films. On one hand, 
at least moviegoers get some exposure to it. On the other, it imposes a kind of 
sentimentality (positive and/or negative) on the music that is not native to it 
and that can impede genuine appreciation. The ultimate horrible example, for 
me, is the use of "Ride of the Valkyries" as background for the atrocities 
portrayed in Apocalypse Now. It's almost impossible to hear the music without 
the mental intrusion of images of helicopters slaughtering innocent Vietnamese 
civilians. Yes, both have to do with battles, but of very different types--one 
mythical and gloriously heroic, the other utterly depraved.

I don't believe any of the music for Zeffirelli's Romeo and Juliet was genuine 
"Baroque music," by the way, as opposed to pseudo-Baroque pieces composed for 
the movie. The only previously existing serious music used in the film, as far 
as I'm aware, is from the Liebestod from Wagner's Tristan und Isolde, written 
in the 1850s.

Bhairitu wrote:

> > Amusing.  I was an honors music student at a major university with 
> > composition as my strength.  What was interesting was learning how these 
> > guys actually came up with their music.  There even are some pieces that 
> > are adaptations of bar songs of the composer's day.

There really is no venue for serious composers in this age but
  writing movie scores and for TV is one for them.  Even some of my
  composition professors at the university wrote for film.  Murphy's
  "Adagio in D minor" is a simple and beautiful piece which
  functions as mood generating background for the film.  Hans Zimmer
  also wrote a simple piece for the film "Inception" called "Time"
  which is also very popular and spiritual.  Funny thing is I
  noticed it was "Blue Moon" chords played backward. :-D 

The public isn't of course aware (unless they took some good music
  appreciation classes) of the background of a lot the "serious"
  composers of the past.  I always thought  that "Amadeus" told the
  story well that they had to cater to the aristocrats of the day
  who might accuse them of writing "too many notes."  Some of these

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Ice Krispies

Good lord, I should hope he wasn't trying to glorify it. But that he was 
mocking war doesn't change the fact that it degrades a sublime piece of music 
for those who have seen the film.
 
Bhairitu wrote:

 < < On 12/12/2013 04:36 PM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote:
 
   
 I'm of two minds about the use of existing serious music in films. On one 
hand, at least moviegoers get some exposure to it. On the other, it imposes a 
kind of sentimentality (positive and/or negative) on the music that is not 
native to it and that can impede genuine appreciation. The ultimate horrible 
example, for me, is the use of "Ride of the Valkyries" as background for the 
atrocities portrayed in Apocalypse Now. It's almost impossible to hear the 
music without the mental intrusion of images of helicopters slaughtering 
innocent Vietnamese civilians. Yes, both have to do with battles, but of very 
different types--one mythical and gloriously heroic, the other utterly depraved.
 
 
 Coppola was using that piece to mock the war.  Coppola's father was a 
professional musician and composer. > >

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ice Krispies


On 12/12/2013 05:51 PM, Bhairitu wrote:


On 12/12/2013 04:36 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:


I'm of two minds about the use of existing serious music in films. On 
one hand, at least moviegoers get some exposure to it. On the other, 
it imposes a kind of sentimentality (positive and/or negative) on the 
music that is not native to it and that can impede genuine 
appreciation. The ultimate horrible example, for me, is the use of 
"Ride of the Valkyries" as background for the atrocities portrayed in 
/Apocalypse Now/. It's almost impossible to hear the music without 
the mental intrusion of images of helicopters slaughtering innocent 
Vietnamese civilians. Yes, both have to do with battles, but of very 
different types--one mythical and gloriously heroic, the other 
utterly depraved.


Coppola was using that piece to mock the war.  Coppola's father was a 
professional musician and composer.


And let's not forget that a lot of the audience was hearing "kill da 
wabbit" in their heads. :-D

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Over half of all Internet users are not human


On 12/12/2013 9:56 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
*/Absolutely. You can always tell the 'bots from the humans because 
they're the ones who keep replying to posts from people who don't 
reply to them. What would do that *but* a 'bot? :-)/*
So, I don't know how you'd know this, since on your own testimony, you 
don't read over half of the messages posted here, remember? LoL!

[FairfieldLife] RE: Big Bang totally unnecessary



 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Comments on jr_esq's response to Barry

 

 What are the characteristics of a 'Prime Mover'? How do you find those out? 
How do you determine if there is a prime mover or not? What is the test?
 

 With regard to experiences that result from meditation etc., I have had a 
number of really interesting experiences in my life in this regard, but I can 
only relate them, but I can't show them to anyone. If I speak about them they 
are simply data which can be believed or disbelieved, i.e., opinion. These 
experiences fall into two categories. 1) awakening experiences and 2) spiritual 
experiences, and they are very different. The spiritual experiences have shall 
we say a religious flavour, while the awakening experiences make the religious 
like experiences seem like straw, unreal and also do not reveal anything other 
than what I previously thought about these things was insubstantial, that is 
spirlitual experiences are in the nature of very nice hallucinations, and 
awakening experiences have a rock solid sort of effect that cannot be doubted, 
but they are empty, tautological.
 

 What those awaking experiences reveal is the idea of a prime mover is not 
real, nor is the idea there is no prime mover real. There is experience, but if 
you call it anything, that calling is not it. People who push religious 
explanations either believe what they say based on what others say, or they 
have spiritual experiences. Atheists on the other hand either simply do not 
have such a belief or some have an active not-theistic belief. Those that have 
awakening experiences are probably more at a loss at what to say because 
nothing can be said about it that is true. The experience is undefined, you 
cannot call it a prime mover or anything, as no label will stick. There is no 
proof except in experience, so no proof can be offered. We humans are well 
noted among ourselves for pursuing phantasies. As I have said before, 
enlightenment is the resolution of the ultimate confidence game. The joke is on 
us, for it answers a question that need never have been asked. But as we are 
kind of dumb, we do ask it. Now you could call this experience finding God. But 
that word is so pale and inadequate. Rather it is more likely you would call a 
spiritual experience something like God or personal evidence of God because 
those experiences happen when the mind still thinks it is a person acting in a 
larger universe that is bigger than the mind and person rather than simply a 
function that runs within a larger framework of the entire range of experience. 
 

 You can tell people of both types of experience, but only the awakening kind 
is really useful for living and feeling fulfilled. This is the kind that the 
term enlightenment applies to. But as I said, that reveals nothing other than 
whatever idea you had of enlightenment was, it was not correct, and that you 
had always been living the full value that enlightenment reveals. Very 
paradoxical. It is really great though. But this is just my opinion. Are you 
stupid or smart enough to pursue enlightenment? If you want to find God, or a 
prime mover, you are going to fall short, because those terms, in spite of what 
you might think about them, set certain kinds of limits, in other words, using 
those words structures the mind with boundaries. If you visulaise a prime 
mover, those boundaries create a prime mover in you mind that has a constipated 
value. This is why spiritual disciplines use meditation techniques, to break 
those boundaries down. Not to have spiritual experiences, but to get away from 
them, even though as the mind is breaking up, releasing stresses as it were, 
you may have spiritual experiences, hallucinations, and so on. You treat them 
like thoughts in TM, no big deal. They become an obstacle to clear experience 
if you remain attached to having had them. It is pretty hard to avoid 
attachment to spiritual experiences, so it takes a while to get over them, but 
an awakening experience is different, there will always be something about it 
that cannot be grasped; you cannot pin it down or hold onto it. Because at this 
point you realise that awakening is just another experience. It will pass. Some 
other value takes hold in life, and gradually the whole edifice of spiritual 
chotskies falls away; religion falls away, beliefs fall away. It is no longer 
necessary to care about these things.
 

 If you want others to have this experience, though, you can create a religion, 
and if you are good, it might work for a while until your followers screw it 
up. How many gods has mankind come up with in the last 10,000 years? Even when 
someones comes up with just one over mastering god, other come up with another 
version of it. And then they fight over it. Great sport.
 

 This can be said in so many, mostly misleading ways. When you finally give up 
all your ideas about this particular weird path of seeking, you en

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ice Krispies


On 12/12/2013 04:36 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:


I'm of two minds about the use of existing serious music in films. On 
one hand, at least moviegoers get some exposure to it. On the other, 
it imposes a kind of sentimentality (positive and/or negative) on the 
music that is not native to it and that can impede genuine 
appreciation. The ultimate horrible example, for me, is the use of 
"Ride of the Valkyries" as background for the atrocities portrayed in 
/Apocalypse Now/. It's almost impossible to hear the music without the 
mental intrusion of images of helicopters slaughtering innocent 
Vietnamese civilians. Yes, both have to do with battles, but of very 
different types--one mythical and gloriously heroic, the other utterly 
depraved.


Coppola was using that piece to mock the war.  Coppola's father was a 
professional musician and composer.

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: What People Eat



 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 My most recent experience with Cuisinart is my new coffee maker. It got a 
great review on Consumer Reports, and the Amazon reviews remarked on how well 
it brews coffee. But, also mentioned many times on Amazon is the crappy latch 
mechanism on the lid. I figured the problem was a mixture of poor design and 
ham-fisted users, and being a more graceful and careful person, I assumed the 
latch mechanism would hold up under my gentle touch. WRONG! That latch was 
busted within two weeks. Fortunately, the fix is simple: I use a red brick to 
keep the lid closed during brewing (the hinge is spring loaded, and with the 
latch broken, the lid won't stay down.)

When this machine inevitably dies some day, will I consider getting another 
Cuisinart? You betcha! 'Cuz despite the stupid latch, the machine makes really 
good coffee!
 

 I love homemade waffles. I bought a Cuisinart waffle maker, you know the good 
old fashioned round shape, and I could have chucked it out after a one-time 
use. The handle was so badly designed that you were bound to burn yourself 
lifting it up no matter how careful you were. The mechanism for letting you 
know when the waffle was ready and when the iron was hot enough was never clear 
so it would ding and actually mean the iron was up to temperature apparently 
because if I lifted the lid when the bell went off it turned out the waffles 
were still raw. In addition, you could never pry the damn thing out from 
between its jaws without using a fork and a knife to try and perform the 
equivalent of brain surgery in extricating the stuck thing. by the time you 
actually got it all out it was in sixty pieces with the remaining 50% still 
stuck to the iron. I hated that waffle maker with a passion and would never buy 
another one by that company.

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Unanswered question

On 12/11/2013 10:42 PM, s3raph...@yahoo.com wrote:
> The ancient Gnostics had a wonderful myth that awakened souls after 
> death found themselves raised to the Moon
There are many reason for identifying the Gnostic movement with the the 
"appearance only"  theory of the Buddhist Mahayana, a fact that is well 
documented. And, there are clear links between the dualistic notions of 
the Gnostics and the Indian dualism found in Kapila's samkhya doctrine 
and the dualism of the Persian Mani.

"When we review these in the light of what we now have come to know, 
both from the Nag-Hamadi trove and from our understanding, recently 
gained, of the Docetic doctrines of Mahayana Buddhism (the growth and 
flowering of which exactly coincided with the high period of the Gnostic 
movement), the implications of their imagery can be judged with enlarged 
appreciation"

Work cited:

"The Masks of God'
by Joseph Campbell
The Illusory Christ, Volume III Occidental
Viking, 1964
p. 364

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Unanswered question

Maybe where you live.

But, it's all pretty much laid out in Nader Raam's book, cited below. 
You probably wouldn't have read this book, since it costs $450.00, and 
you're not anywhere near a Golden Dome of Pure Knowledge, where you 
might have access to a copy. There's a copy at Radiance, the TM Ideal 
Village near Austin, TX where I was able to puruse the entire volume at 
my leisure a few years ago, and I took copious notes.

The book is a veritable encyclopedia of knowledge about Veda and Vedic 
Literature, the various states of consciousness - it covers all the 
seven chakras, the nadis, and human physiology, including detailed lists 
of the various branches and sections of the Vedic Literature and their 
corresponding attributes: one becomes three, which becomes seven and 
eight, which becomes 24, then 96, then 192, etc.

Work cited:

'Human Physiology: Expression of Veda and the Vedic Literature'
by Prof. Tony Nader, M.D., Ph.D.
Maharishi Vedic University, 1995

On 12/11/2013 10:31 PM, anartax...@yahoo.com wrote:
> No TMO's know anything about this. They are mere lap dogs.

[FairfieldLife] "In the Beginning was the Word"

2013-12-12 Thread yifuxero

lecture on Nada, the Sound Current, by Ishwar Puri: 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0peuqe-wUk 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0peuqe-wUk

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Over half of all Internet users are not human

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 That's what I was afraid you meant.

 Share explained:

 > Judy and noozguru, I simply meant what percentage of time on Internet is 
 > that of humans and that of robots.

 Share, lets you and I try this that yifu posted.  Maybe after 6 months I will 
be able to formulate an intelligent question to Judy on "Apophaticism, 
Idolatry, and the Claims of Reason" (right now I'm still trying to spell 
"Apophoticism" correctly) and you will have a revelation regarding your term 
"Internet time." :)  

 "Participants were encouraged to lose weight (if appropriate) and take the 
following supplements for 6 months":
 ...
 Fish oil, vinpocetine, ginkgo extract, acetyl-L-Carnitine, huperzine A, 
N-acetyl-cysteine, high-potency multivitamin.
 ...
 "After 6 months, the tests were repeated.  There were statistically 
significant increases in scores of attention, memory, reasoning, information 
processing speed, and accuracy in these retired NFL players".

 On Thursday, December 12, 2013 1:21 PM, "authfriend@..."  
wrote:

   What's "Internet time"?

Share wondered:

 > Similiarly, Judy, what I'd really like to know is what percentage of 
 > Internet time is from the 'bots and and what percentage from us humans.

 On Thursday, December 12, 2013 12:40 PM, "authfriend@..."  
wrote:

   What you want to ask, Share, is not whether "942 members of FFL are bots" 
(or whether any members of FFL are bots, for that matter) but whether 61.5 
percent of visits to FFL are made by bots. There's no way for us to know that 
(although the answer is almost certainly not, given what bots are for and what 
FFL is), but at least the question makes sense/

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Judy and turq, I'm still amazed by that 61.5 statistic. And it was interesting 
to me to translate that into the everyday context of FFL. I wonder if there are 
any real 'bots who at least visit here.

 On Thursday, December 12, 2013 10:18 AM, "authfriend@..."  
wrote:

   You see, according to Barry, no post commenting on something he has said has 
any meaning unless he validates it by responding to it. IOW, it's entirely up 
to Barry whether one is a bot or not. ;-)

Barry bites:
 > turq, does this mean that 942 members of FFL are bots?! 

 < < Absolutely. You can always tell the 'bots from the humans because they're 
the ones who keep replying to posts from people who don't reply to them. What 
would do that *but* a 'bot? :-) > > 

 > On Thursday, December 12, 2013 9:31 AM, TurquoiseB turquoiseb@... wrote:
> 
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-25346235 
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-25346235 
>

[FairfieldLife] RE: The Healthiest States in America

Maryland, DC, and Washington are the top three (out of 10) for brain health; 
Iowa didn't make the list, surprisingly.

[FairfieldLife] OM Jai Laxmi Mata

2013-12-12 Thread yifuxero

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnfxQSNTsno 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnfxQSNTsno

[FairfieldLife] Re: Great Country Classics

Ace in the Hole by George Strait

George Strait and his band, all local boys, are known for performing songs
that sound just like the record album. A very tight band, great voice, and
simple songs with great lyrics. This is an example of modern country, not
honky-tonk corn. One of my favorites:

George Strait - Ace In The Hole - Live From Tucson
http://youtu.be/5bWWGFOYaN4

George Strait - Ace In The Hole Band Introduction - Live in Houston, 1996
http://youtu.be/DW1SGnsk8Ms


On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 8:07 AM, Richard Williams wrote:

> Marty Robbins
>
> [image: Inline image 1]
>
> Marty Robbins "Devil Woman" 1978 Live in Holland
> http://youtu.be/_zhHpsMezkA
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 10:18 PM, Richard Williams 
> wrote:
>
>> Tear Jerk Song
>>
>> [image: Inline image 1]
>>
>> George Strait - Give It Away
>> http://youtu.be/qYNcR44qKds
>>
>>  "She was stormin' through the house that day
>>  And I could tell she was leavin'
>>  And I thought, 'aw, she'll be back.'
>>  Until we turned around and pointed at the wall and said
>>
>>  That picture from out honeymoon
>>  That night in 'Frisco Bay
>>  Just give it away
>>  She said give it away
>>
>>  That big four poster king sized bed
>>  Where so much love was made
>>  Just give it away
>>  She said just give it away
>>
>>  [Chorus]
>>  Just give it away
>>  There ain't nothing in this house worth fightin' over
>>  Oh, we're both tired of fightin' anyway
>>  Just give it away
>>
>>  Oh, I tried to move on
>>  But I found that each woman I held
>>  Just reminded me of that day
>>
>>  When that front door swung wide open
>>  She flung her diamond ring
>>  Said, give it away
>>  Just give it away
>>
>>  And I said, now honey
>>  Don't you even want your half of everything
>>  She said give it away
>>  Just give it away
>>
>>  [Chorus]
>>
>>  So, I'm still right here where she left me
>>  Along with all the other things that she don't care about anymore
>>  Hmm
>>
>>  Like that picture from our honeymoon
>>  That night in 'Frisco Bay
>>  She said give it away
>>  Well, I can't give it away
>>  That big four poster king sized bed
>>  Where all our love was made
>>  She said give it away
>>  Well, I can't give it away
>>
>>  I've got furnished house
>>  A diamond ring
>>  And a lonely, broken heart
>>  Full of love
>>  And I can't even give it away"
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 12:27 PM, Richard Williams 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> George Strait
>>>
>>> [image: Inline image 1]
>>>
>>> George Strait - Amarillo By Morning (Live From The Houston Astrodome)
>>> http://youtu.be/kX_9Go0Z8e4
>>>
>>> One of my favorite Straight songs, "Amarillo by Morning", is regarded by
>>> many as one of the greatest country songs of all-time. Billboard ranked
>>> Strait No. 1 in the top 25 country artists of the past 25 years.
>>>
>>> "According to the RIAA, Strait is the 12th best-selling album recording
>>> artist in the United States overall, with 60 number one hit singles. Strait
>>> was named Artist of the Decade by the Academy of Country Music. He was
>>> inducted into the Country Music Hall of Fame, and won his first Grammy
>>> award for the album Troubadour. Strait was named CMA Entertainer of the
>>> Year in 1989, 1990 and 2013, and ACM Entertainer of the Year in 1990."
>>>
>>> Read more:
>>>
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Strait
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Unanswered question

2013-12-12 Thread yifuxero


 Right, as in the Sant Mat Tradition where the first main goal is "rising above 
bodily consciousness"...i.e. a near death experience without the near death.  
The subtle bodies separate out from the physical, which may (they say) appear 
as if dead.  Then, the astral body is left behind and the "Soul" travels into 
higher planes.  Then, leaving the mental body behind, the Soul (Sant Mat 
practitioners basically define the Soul as the Causal body), travels into the 
Causal plane.  Finally, leaving the causal plane, the Soul is "free" of 
obstructions and realizes the Self; at least temporarily: a temporary 
experience of a variant of CC or Unity..
 However, the "rising above bodily consciousness" part is actually a Sidhi, not 
the main goal per se as described in Advaitic literature such as SBAL. The Sant 
Mat Masters don't explain why ":rising above bodily consciousness" is necessary 
at all. In Kriya Yoga, this Sidhi or Kriya is one of the sign posts along the 
way to complete Self-Realization or Unity. 
 ...
 Various Traditions may differ on what's experienced in the higher levels.  A 
necessary ingredient in the Sant Mat Tradition is meeting up with the Radiant 
Form of the Master.
 ...
 Refer to the YouTube lectures of IshwarPuri, a living disciple of Sawan Singh 
(a major proponent of Sant Mat - died in the late 40's).

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What I Did Today

If George Armstrong Custer had some Winchester repeaters it sure would have
helped! It also would have helped if had taken that shipment of Gatling
guns with him. Also, he refused additional help from other troops stating
that he "could whip any bunch of Indians" or something to that effect. LoL!

There is a spot up in Austin where Custer stayed with his wife and his
volunteer troops after the civil war. On our last trip up to Deadwood we
visited the Custer State Park. I've read several books about Custer's last
stand where he was wiped out by Sitting Bull. The Black Hills of South
Dakota is full of evidence of Custer, including a county, town.

According to almost all historians, Custer's first big mistake was going
there in the first place; and the second big mistake is when he divided his
troops into two groups, 208 splitting off with Major Reno; and then his
third big mistake was charging in too soon against Crazy Horse. It should
be noted that Custer graduated last in his class at West Point. Go figure.

Custer State Park:

[image: Inline image 1]

Read more:

'A Terrible Glory: Custer and the Little Bighorn - the Last Great Battle of
the American West'
by James Donovan
Back Bay Books, 2009

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Custer_State_Park

On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 9:55 PM,  wrote:

>
>
> George Armstrong Custer wore a Stetson hat at The Battle of Little Big
> Horn.
>
>
> He would have been better off stocking up on Winchester 73 repeaters. It
> seems the Indians at his Last Stand had those but his troops had
> old-fashioned carbines. Better at long range but no match for rapid fire.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3FdrbfvEPI
>
>
> I'm a Brit so Yanks fascination with guns bemuses me. But those old cowboy
> film guns - the Winchester rifle and the Colt revolvers - have an appealing
> style. They're so simple, but so perfect. They really are beautiful.
>
>
> I find, say, a Schmeisser submachine gun, or modern weapons, utterly
> obscene. I mean really and truly nauseating. They are killing devices. But
> the simplicity and elegance of those frontier weapons. Wow!
>
>
> Probably just the subliminal appeal of modern entertainment!
>
>
>
>  
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ice Krispies

Some original movie and TV scores are excellent, worth listening to as music 
for its own sake. Others...not so much. For that matter, there's plenty of 
"real" popular music as well (e.g., the Beatles). And some musicals have had 
excellent music (much of Rodgers and Hammerstein, also Loesser's Guys and 
Dolls). The song "My Boy Bill" from R&H's Carousel is a full-blown operatic 
aria (performed brilliantly by Gordon MacRae).

 My use of the term "real music" had to do with quality, not genre or medium 
snobbery.

 I've been immersed in good classical music (i.e., serious music, not 
restricted to the classical period) literally since I was in the cradle, FWIW. 
My father, himself an amateur musician, was a musical scholar who taught 
college courses in various types of serious music. My sister sang with the 
Boston Symphony Chorus. I've sung with good amateur choruses as well. I'm not 
exactly a neophyte, as you'd know if you listened to the videos I linked to. 
It's all accessible, but I doubt any of it is on any orchestra's "top 40" list.

 I'm not sure what the background of serious composers has to do with the 
appreciation of their music qua music. Wagner was an anti-Semite. Bach was a 
pain in the butt. Schumann was bipolar and died in a mental asylum. So what? 
Their music is transcendent. So is Mozart's. As far as Amadeus is concerned, it 
has quite a few historical inaccuracies; Mozart was not the inane fop portrayed 
in the movie (or the stage play). But it wouldn't matter if he were.

 And BTW, while sponsorship was a factor as late as Mozart's day, its 
importance lessened pretty quickly after that; composers of the Romantic period 
generally didn't have to cater to aristocrats for their income (OTOH, a lot of 
them lived in straitened circumstances).

 Yes, it's scandalous that orchestras need to put on so many "top-40" type 
concerts in order to have sufficient funding. The neglect of music education in 
public schools is appalling.

 I'm of two minds about the use of existing serious music in films. On one 
hand, at least moviegoers get some exposure to it. On the other, it imposes a 
kind of sentimentality (positive and/or negative) on the music that is not 
native to it and that can impede genuine appreciation. The ultimate horrible 
example, for me, is the use of "Ride of the Valkyries" as background for the 
atrocities portrayed in Apocalypse Now. It's almost impossible to hear the 
music without the mental intrusion of images of helicopters slaughtering 
innocent Vietnamese civilians. Yes, both have to do with battles, but of very 
different types--one mythical and gloriously heroic, the other utterly depraved.

 I don't believe any of the music for Zeffirelli's Romeo and Juliet was genuine 
"Baroque music," by the way, as opposed to pseudo-Baroque pieces composed for 
the movie. The only previously existing serious music used in the film, as far 
as I'm aware, is from the Liebestod from Wagner's Tristan und Isolde, written 
in the 1850s.

Bhairitu wrote:

 > > Amusing.  I was an honors music student at a major university with 
 > > composition as my strength.  What was interesting was learning how these 
 > > guys actually came up with their music.  There even are some pieces that 
 > > are adaptations of bar songs of the composer's day.

 There really is no venue for serious composers in this age but writing movie 
scores and for TV is one for them.  Even some of my composition professors at 
the university wrote for film.  Murphy's "Adagio in D minor" is a simple and 
beautiful piece which functions as mood generating background for the film.  
Hans Zimmer also wrote a simple piece for the film "Inception" called "Time" 
which is also very popular and spiritual.  Funny thing is I noticed it was 
"Blue Moon" chords played backward. :-D 

 The public isn't of course aware (unless they took some good music 
appreciation classes) of the background of a lot the "serious" composers of the 
past.  I always thought  that "Amadeus" told the story well that they had to 
cater to the aristocrats of the day who might accuse them of writing "too many 
notes."  Some of these people lived short lives and some were drunkards.  
Shubert died at an early age of syphilis.

 The pubic is told to hold them in high esteem not that they recognize why.  I 
was always amused at how symphonies needed to put on their "classical top 40" 
concerts rather than present new music or obscure pieces.

 Randy Newman wrote the music for the film "Pleasantville" and the DVD contains 
a wonderful commentary by him.  Of course he grew up hanging out with his 
uncles who wrote for Hollywood film and talks about how Jerry Goldsmith would 
rip apart many of Beethoven's works in discussion.  Such discussions were also 
not unusual when having coffee with some of my music school professors. > >

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Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: What People Eat

My other experience with Cuisinart is with their food processor.  A very 
popular party snack is a "smokey egg dip" which is best made using a 
food processor.  One year I wanted to take it to a company party so my 
sister offered to make it for me.  Then she remembered she also had my 
mother's Cuisinart food processor and asked if I wanted it.  It has been 
a very handy device.  Literally I put all the ingredients in the 
processor and press the button and in less than a minute I have the dip.


On 12/12/2013 02:53 PM, j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com wrote:


My most recent experience with Cuisinart is my new coffee maker. It 
got a great review on Consumer Reports, and the Amazon reviews 
remarked on how well it brews coffee. But, also mentioned many times 
on Amazon is the crappy latch mechanism on the lid. I figured the 
problem was a mixture of poor design and ham-fisted users, and being a 
more graceful and careful person, I assumed the latch mechanism would 
hold up under my gentle touch. WRONG! That latch was busted within two 
weeks. Fortunately, the fix is simple: I use a red brick to keep the 
lid closed during brewing (the hinge is spring loaded, and with the 
latch broken, the lid won't stay down.)


When this machine inevitably dies some day, will I consider getting 
another Cuisinart? You betcha! 'Cuz despite the stupid latch, the 
machine makes really good coffee!

[FairfieldLife] RE: Big Bang totally unnecessary

2013-12-12 Thread anartaxius

Comments on jr_esq's response to Barry

 

 What are the characteristics of a 'Prime Mover'? How do you find those out? 
How do you determine if there is a prime mover or not? What is the test?
 

 With regard to experiences that result from meditation etc., I have had a 
number of really interesting experiences in my life in this regard, but I can 
only relate them, but I can't show them to anyone. If I speak about them they 
are simply data which can be believed or disbelieved, i.e., opinion. These 
experiences fall into two categories. 1) awakening experiences and 2) spiritual 
experiences, and they are very different. The spiritual experiences have shall 
we say a religious flavour, while the awakening experiences make the religious 
like experiences seem like straw, unreal and also do not reveal anything other 
than what I previously thought about these things was insubstantial, that is 
spirlitual experiences are in the nature of very nice hallucinations, and 
awakening experiences have a rock solid sort of effect that cannot be doubted, 
but they are empty, tautological.
 

 What those awaking experiences reveal is the idea of a prime mover is not 
real, nor is the idea there is no prime mover real. There is experience, but if 
you call it anything, that calling is not it. People who push religious 
explanations either believe what they say based on what others say, or they 
have spiritual experiences. Atheists on the other hand either simply do not 
have such a belief or some have an active not-theistic belief. Those that have 
awakening experiences are probably more at a loss at what to say because 
nothing can be said about it that is true. The experience is undefined, you 
cannot call it a prime mover or anything, as no label will stick. There is no 
proof except in experience, so no proof can be offered. We humans are well 
noted among ourselves for pursuing phantasies. As I have said before, 
enlightenment is the resolution of the ultimate confidence game. The joke is on 
us, for it answers a question that need never have been asked. But as we are 
kind of dumb, we do ask it. Now you could call this experience finding God. But 
that word is so pale and inadequate. Rather it is more likely you would call a 
spiritual experience something like God or personal evidence of God because 
those experiences happen when the mind still thinks it is a person acting in a 
larger universe that is bigger than the mind and person rather than simply a 
function that runs within a larger framework of the entire range of experience. 
 

 You can tell people of both types of experience, but only the awakening kind 
is really useful for living and feeling fulfilled. This is the kind that the 
term enlightenment applies to. But as I said, that reveals nothing other than 
whatever idea you had of enlightenment was, it was not correct, and that you 
had always been living the full value that enlightenment reveals. Very 
paradoxical. It is really great though. But this is just my opinion. Are you 
stupid or smart enough to pursue enlightenment? If you want to find God, or a 
prime mover, you are going to fall short, because those terms, in spite of what 
you might think about them, set certain kinds of limits, in other words, using 
those words structures the mind with boundaries. If you visulaise a prime 
mover, those boundaries create a prime mover in you mind that has a constipated 
value. This is why spiritual disciplines use meditation techniques, to break 
those boundaries down. Not to have spiritual experiences, but to get away from 
them, even though as the mind is breaking up, releasing stresses as it were, 
you may have spiritual experiences, hallucinations, and so on. You treat them 
like thoughts in TM, no big deal. They become an obstacle to clear experience 
if you remain attached to having had them. It is pretty hard to avoid 
attachment to spiritual experiences, so it takes a while to get over them, but 
an awakening experience is different, there will always be something about it 
that cannot be grasped; you cannot pin it down or hold onto it. Because at this 
point you realise that awakening is just another experience. It will pass. Some 
other value takes hold in life, and gradually the whole edifice of spiritual 
chotskies falls away; religion falls away, beliefs fall away. It is no longer 
necessary to care about these things.
 

 If you want others to have this experience, though, you can create a religion, 
and if you are good, it might work for a while until your followers screw it 
up. How many gods has mankind come up with in the last 10,000 years? Even when 
someones comes up with just one over mastering god, other come up with another 
version of it. And then they fight over it. Great sport.
 

 This can be said in so many, mostly misleading ways. When you finally give up 
all your ideas about this particular weird path of seeking, you end up with the 
absolute being, but it is not a god,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ice Krispies

Amusing.  I was an honors music student at a major university with 
composition as my strength.  What was interesting was learning how these 
guys actually came up with their music.  There even are some pieces that 
are adaptations of bar songs of the composer's day.


There really is no venue for serious composers in this age but writing 
movie scores and for TV is one for them.  Even some of my composition 
professors at the university wrote for film.  Murphy's "Adagio in D 
minor" is a simple and beautiful piece which functions as mood 
generating background for the film.  Hans Zimmer also wrote a simple 
piece for the film "Inception" called "Time" which is also very popular 
and spiritual.  Funny thing is I noticed it was "Blue Moon" chords 
played backward. :-D


The public isn't of course aware (unless they took some good music 
appreciation classes) of the background of a lot the "serious" composers 
of the past.  I always thought  that "Amadeus" told the story well that 
they had to cater to the aristocrats of the day who might accuse them of 
writing "too many notes."  Some of these people lived short lives and 
some were drunkards.  Shubert died at an early age of syphilis.


The pubic is told to hold them in high esteem not that they recognize 
why.  I was always amused at how symphonies needed to put on their 
"classical top 40" concerts rather than present new music or obscure pieces.


Randy Newman wrote the music for the film "Pleasantville" and the DVD 
contains a wonderful commentary by him.  Of course he grew up hanging 
out with his uncles who wrote for Hollywood film and talks about how 
Jerry Goldsmith would rip apart many of Beethoven's works in 
discussion.  Such discussions were also not unusual when having coffee 
with some of my music school professors.



On 12/12/2013 12:56 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:


*I know it when I hear it. Murphy's Adagio ain't, IMHO.  Listen to the 
videos I posted, see if you hear a difference. Has to be interesting 
and challenging.*


*
Bhairitu asked:
*
How do you define "real music"?

On 12/11/2013 02:33 PM, authfriend@...  wrote:


Here, listen to some real music:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKcL6BZXcV4


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELEq1MA8m8Q


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IUM-ropDro


And the "2001 music":


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Szdziw4tI9o


Share wrote:


> > hey noozguru, I listened to the Sunshine adagio again. My music 
education is very limited but I think I caught the piano at 2:02. 
Yes, it's beautiful. > >

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: What People Eat

2013-12-12 Thread j_alexander_stanley

My most recent experience with Cuisinart is my new coffee maker. It got a great 
review on Consumer Reports, and the Amazon reviews remarked on how well it 
brews coffee. But, also mentioned many times on Amazon is the crappy latch 
mechanism on the lid. I figured the problem was a mixture of poor design and 
ham-fisted users, and being a more graceful and careful person, I assumed the 
latch mechanism would hold up under my gentle touch. WRONG! That latch was 
busted within two weeks. Fortunately, the fix is simple: I use a red brick to 
keep the lid closed during brewing (the hinge is spring loaded, and with the 
latch broken, the lid won't stay down.)

When this machine inevitably dies some day, will I consider getting another 
Cuisinart? You betcha! 'Cuz despite the stupid latch, the machine makes really 
good coffee!

[FairfieldLife] A pact with the devil

This is an old story I've only just come across - but a fun prank, pulled by 
GameStation, a UK online gaming store. 

 It resulted in the voluntary surrender of 7,500 souls.  The soul-snatching was 
made possible through an "immortal soul clause" buried in the site's terms and 
conditions. The clause, as published by GameStation, reads:  
 By placing an order via this web site on the first day of the fourth month of 
the year 2010 Anno Domini, you agree to grant us a non-transferable option to 
claim, for now and for ever more, your immortal soul. Should we wish to 
exercise this option, you agree to surrender your immortal soul, and any claim 
you may have on it, within 5 (five) working days of receiving written 
notification from gamestation.co.uk or one of its duly authorized minions.
 http://tinyurl.com/cz2uuej http://tinyurl.com/cz2uuej

Re: [FairfieldLife] "How Animals Eat Their Food"

I would imagine they had toddler cups so the liquid didn't splash all over them 
each time the animal guy fell on the table (and so the table, which was made of 
cardboard boxes, wouldn't get all soggy from being repeatedly drenched). A 
technical issue, IOW.

Share opined:

 >> I like that they both have toddler cups to drink out of. Very nice touch 
 >> because totally unrelated to the main theme. And I thought the other guy 
 >> was a perfect foil for the *animal* guy. >>

 On Thursday, December 12, 2013 2:16 PM, "authfriend@..."  
wrote:

   Highly sophisticated humor. ;-) There's a Part 2, which isn't quite as 
funny, but still a trip.

 I loved the lizard, and the rhinoceros.

 (Obviously I was wrong about not being able to insert clickable links.)

Mike wrote:

 >> LOL! I like the T-Rex. >>

 On Thursday, December 12, 2013 11:41 AM, "authfriend@..."  
wrote:

   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnydFmqHuVo 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnydFmqHuVo

 (For some reason I can no longer insert clickable links. The icon has stopped 
working.)

[FairfieldLife] RE: Big Bang totally unnecessary

Barry,
 

 It's logical to say that there is a Prime Mover if one reaches an infinite 
regression situation.  It isn't arbitrary.   Specifically, space and time are 
mental constructs.  They cannot exist without a Knower.  Without a Knower, 
there is NOTHING, NOWHERE, NOTIME.  How is it possible for the universe to 
start in the past and to exist as it is now?  As such, the Knower is the Prime 
Mover.
 

 As a human being, you're supposed to find out and understand the world around 
us since you too are a knower.  You cannot force everyone to accept what you 
believe is true without making any inquiry-- scientific is the best--to get the 
right answer.  Otherwise, you become a dictator.
 

 Although some church thinkers do not agree, there are some scientists who 
believe that it's possible to know what happened before the universe began.  
These include Roger Penrose, Michio Kaku and Leonard Susskind.  Are you 
criticizing these scientists for making an inquiry that you believe is 
unnecessary?
 

 IMO, human beings are knowers and should use their full intelligence and 
reason to find out how the world works, including how the universe started, and 
if possible to know what happened before it started.  What is wrong with that?
 

 There is no greater enjoyment and bliss than knowing the Truth.  If you enjoy 
your day today, there is nothing wrong with that.  But is it enough?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ice Krispies

I know it when I hear it. Murphy's Adagio ain't, IMHO.  Listen to the videos I 
posted, see if you hear a difference. Has to be interesting and challenging.
 
Bhairitu asked:
 How do you define "real music"?
 
 On 12/11/2013 02:33 PM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote:
 
   Here, listen to some real music:
 
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKcL6BZXcV4 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKcL6BZXcV4
 
 
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELEq1MA8m8Q 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELEq1MA8m8Q
 
 
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IUM-ropDro 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IUM-ropDro
 
 
 
 And the "2001 music":
 
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Szdziw4tI9o 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Szdziw4tI9o
 
 
 
 Share wrote:
 
 > > hey noozguru, I listened to the Sunshine adagio again. My music education 
 > > is very limited but I think I caught the piano at 2:02. Yes, it's 
 > > beautiful. > >

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Bron-Broen, season 2

A search on "Bron Broen downloads" shows that DMCA notice to Google at 
the bottom.  The notice is from FOX's legal division.  However it does 
not list Bron Broen but "The Bridge" instead.  The way the DMCA works is 
the copyright holder must send a notice.  YouTube itself won't go 
through a look for apparent copyright violations.


Also DailyMotion is considered a major competition to YouTube so much so 
our dear friends at Yahoo recently made an offer to purchase it.  Though 
they are Paris based they DO have a US presence with an office in New 
York.  Their  ads are even more targeted to the viewer than YouTube.  
For instance an ad for Walgreens actually displays the address of the 
Walgreens store closest to me as an overlay.


There was a rule for VHS that studios considered as why they wrote off 
people exchanging VHS tapes and that was because the quality was 
reduced.  Some distributors may think same about titles that wind up on 
some of the viewing services (bit torrent is a different matter) since 
the quality is reduced from the original. For instance I looked into 
some of the purported Netfilx capture software and folks complained it 
was just doing screen captures on a PC rather than hijacking the stream 
(which is encrypted small segment files).  Netflix is overly paranoid of 
making it's service available on Linux but Hulu is not.


So it would probably be up to the Danish network to file a complaint and 
they may feel it is not worth their time.


On 12/10/2013 09:22 PM, ultrarishi wrote:


I did watch season 1 of Bron on Youtube on my XBox.  The second season 
I torrented since I could not find it on youtube and was not familiar 
with using the DailyMotion. For safety sake, I  use a VPN and download 
from some outlet in another country.  Also, I had to wait about 3 days 
after I captured the video before someone would upload English 
subtitles.  When I had the subs, I then played the files thru VLC, the 
greatest video app ever!



I get great film and television suggestions from you folks here and 
constantly surprise my wife with what I find. Sometimes, I find 
something only I enjoy, like Bron or Luther or Orphan Black.



I also had an AVelLinkplayer2 which gave great service for a few years 
in spite of its cheap build quality.  Region Free players are a life 
saver for the film buff.  I remember ordering The Battle of Britain on 
region 2 because the regions 1 disc was mono, whilst the region 2 
pressing had the roadshow stereo track.  This was corrected years 
later for region 1 represssings, but I had moved on.



Since we are cable cutterz, most of what we see non-disc related is 
either streamed via UMS to the PS3 or Xbox, or from Amazon Prime and 
Netflix on those devices.  Also, I use Windows Media Center with a USB 
HDTV stick to record OTA programs (mostly PBS stuff like Nova).

[FairfieldLife] David Lynch Foundation now LIVE

2013-12-12 Thread nablusoss1008


http://www.dlflive.org/#sthash.Ro7eFaqf.77R37OJc.dpbs 
http://www.dlflive.org/#sthash.Ro7eFaqf.77R37OJc.dpbs

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Over half of all Internet users are not human

 That's what I was afraid you meant.

 Share explained:

 > Judy and noozguru, I simply meant what percentage of time on Internet is 
 > that of humans and that of robots.

 On Thursday, December 12, 2013 1:21 PM, "authfriend@..."  
wrote:

   What's "Internet time"?

Share wondered:

 > Similiarly, Judy, what I'd really like to know is what percentage of 
 > Internet time is from the 'bots and and what percentage from us humans.

 On Thursday, December 12, 2013 12:40 PM, "authfriend@..."  
wrote:

   What you want to ask, Share, is not whether "942 members of FFL are bots" 
(or whether any members of FFL are bots, for that matter) but whether 61.5 
percent of visits to FFL are made by bots. There's no way for us to know that 
(although the answer is almost certainly not, given what bots are for and what 
FFL is), but at least the question makes sense/

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Judy and turq, I'm still amazed by that 61.5 statistic. And it was interesting 
to me to translate that into the everyday context of FFL. I wonder if there are 
any real 'bots who at least visit here.

 On Thursday, December 12, 2013 10:18 AM, "authfriend@..."  
wrote:

   You see, according to Barry, no post commenting on something he has said has 
any meaning unless he validates it by responding to it. IOW, it's entirely up 
to Barry whether one is a bot or not. ;-)

Barry bites:
 > turq, does this mean that 942 members of FFL are bots?! 

 < < Absolutely. You can always tell the 'bots from the humans because they're 
the ones who keep replying to posts from people who don't reply to them. What 
would do that *but* a 'bot? :-) > > 

 > On Thursday, December 12, 2013 9:31 AM, TurquoiseB turquoiseb@... wrote:
> 
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-25346235 
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-25346235 
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] "How Animals Eat Their Food"

I like that they both have toddler cups to drink out of. Very nice touch 
because totally unrelated to the main theme. And I thought the other guy was a 
perfect foil for the *animal* guy.





On Thursday, December 12, 2013 2:16 PM, "authfri...@yahoo.com" 
 wrote:
 
  
Highly sophisticated humor. ;-) There's a Part 2, which isn't quite as funny, 
but still a trip.

I loved the lizard, and the rhinoceros.

(Obviously I was wrong about not being able to insert clickable links.)

Mike wrote:


>> LOL! I like the T-Rex. >>



On Thursday, December 12, 2013 11:41 AM, "authfriend@..."  
wrote:
 
  
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnydFmqHuVo

(For some reason I can no longer insert clickable links. The icon has stopped 
working.)

Re: [FairfieldLife] "How Animals Eat Their Food"

Highly sophisticated humor. ;-) There's a Part 2, which isn't quite as funny, 
but still a trip.
 

 I loved the lizard, and the rhinoceros.
 

 (Obviously I was wrong about not being able to insert clickable links.)
 
Mike wrote:

 >> LOL! I like the T-Rex. >>
 
 
 On Thursday, December 12, 2013 11:41 AM, "authfriend@..."  
wrote:
 
   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnydFmqHuVo 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnydFmqHuVo
 

 (For some reason I can no longer insert clickable links. The icon has stopped 
working.)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ice Krispies

noozguru, for me, any music that moves me and or delights me is real. Not all 
classical music falls into this category of mine.





On Thursday, December 12, 2013 2:01 PM, Bhairitu  wrote:
 
  
How do you define "real music"?

On 12/11/2013 02:33 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:

  
>Here, listen to some real music:
>
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKcL6BZXcV4
>
>
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELEq1MA8m8Q
>
>
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IUM-ropDro
>
>
>
>And the "2001 music":
>
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Szdziw4tI9o
>
>
>
>Share wrote:
>
>
>> > hey noozguru, I listened to the Sunshine adagio again. My music education 
>> > is very limited but I think I caught the piano at 2:02. Yes, it's 
>> > beautiful. > >

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ice Krispies


How do you define "real music"?

On 12/11/2013 02:33 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:


Here, listen to some real music:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKcL6BZXcV4


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELEq1MA8m8Q


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IUM-ropDro


And the "2001 music":


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Szdziw4tI9o


Share wrote:


> > hey noozguru, I listened to the Sunshine adagio again. My music 
education is very limited but I think I caught the piano at 2:02. Yes, 
it's beautiful. > >

[FairfieldLife] The Healthiest States in America

I'm surprised that Hawaii is rated number 1.  Here is the rest: 
 

 http://health.yahoo.net/articles/healthcare/25-healthiest-states-2013 
http://health.yahoo.net/articles/healthcare/25-healthiest-states-2013

Re: [FairfieldLife] "How Animals Eat Their Food"

2013-12-12 Thread Mike Dixon

LOL! I like the T-Rex.




On Thursday, December 12, 2013 11:41 AM, "authfri...@yahoo.com" 
 wrote:
  
  
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnydFmqHuVo

(For some reason I can no longer insert clickable links. The icon has stopped 
working.)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Over half of all Internet users are not human

Judy and noozguru, I simply meant what percentage of time on Internet is that 
of humans and that of robots.

On Thursday, December 12, 2013 1:21 PM, "authfri...@yahoo.com" 
 wrote:

What's "Internet time"?

Share wondered:

> Similiarly, Judy, what I'd really like to know is what percentage of Internet 
> time is from the 'bots and and what percentage from us humans.

On Thursday, December 12, 2013 12:40 PM, "authfriend@..."  
wrote:

What you want to ask, Share, is not whether "942 members of FFL are bots" (or 
whether any members of FFL are bots, for that matter) but whether 61.5 percent 
of visits to FFL are made by bots. There's no way for us to know that (although 
the answer is almost certainly not, given what bots are for and what FFL is), 
but at least the question makes sense/

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

Judy and turq, I'm still amazed by that 61.5 statistic. And it was interesting 
to me to translate that into the everyday context of FFL. I wonder if there are 
any real 'bots who at least visit here.

On Thursday, December 12, 2013 10:18 AM, "authfriend@..."  
wrote:

You see, according to Barry, no post commenting on something he has said has 
any meaning unless he validates it by responding to it. IOW, it's entirely up 
to Barry whether one is a bot or not. ;-)

Barry bites:

> turq, does this mean that 942 members of FFL are bots?! 
>>>
>>>< < Absolutely. You can always tell the 'bots from the humans because 
>>>they're the ones who keep replying to posts from people who don't reply to 
>>>them. What would do that *but* a 'bot? :-) > > 
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Thursday, December 12, 2013 9:31 AM, TurquoiseB turquoiseb@... wrote:

 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-25346235 

>>>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Over half of all Internet users are not human

Um, thanks, but I don't think that's what Share had in mind, Bhairitu.

Bhairitu wrote:

 An 10 base time idea by Swatch that never caught on:
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swatch_Internet_Time 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swatch_Internet_Time

 Supposedly it would make it easier to calculate the time in other countries.  
However these days the move because of the Internet is to drop time zones 
altogether and just use UTC for the entire world.  No calculation needed.

 On 12/12/2013 11:21 AM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote:

   What's "Internet time"?

 Share wondered:

 > Similiarly, Judy, what I'd really like to know is what percentage of 
 > Internet time is from the 'bots and and what percentage from us humans.

 On Thursday, December 12, 2013 12:40 PM, "authfriend@..." 
mailto:authfriend@...  mailto:authfriend@... wrote:

   What you want to ask, Share, is not whether "942 members of FFL are bots" 
(or whether any members of FFL are bots, for that matter) but whether 61.5 
percent of visits to FFL are made by bots. There's no way for us to know that 
(although the answer is almost certainly not, given what bots are for and what 
FFL is), but at least the question makes sense/

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:sharelong60@... wrote:

 Judy and turq, I'm still amazed by that 61.5 statistic. And it was interesting 
to me to translate that into the everyday context of FFL. I wonder if there are 
any real 'bots who at least visit here.

 On Thursday, December 12, 2013 10:18 AM, "authfriend@..." 
mailto:authfriend@...  mailto:authfriend@... wrote:

   You see, according to Barry, no post commenting on something he has said has 
any meaning unless he validates it by responding to it. IOW, it's entirely up 
to Barry whether one is a bot or not. ;-)

 Barry bites:
 > turq, does this mean that 942 members of FFL are bots?! 

 < < Absolutely. You can always tell the 'bots from the humans because they're 
the ones who keep replying to posts from people who don't reply to them. What 
would do that *but* a 'bot? :-) > > 

 > On Thursday, December 12, 2013 9:31 AM, TurquoiseB turquoiseb@... wrote:
 > 
 > http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-25346235 
 > http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-25346235 
 >

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Over half of all Internet users are not human

An 10 base time idea by Swatch that never caught on:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swatch_Internet_Time

Supposedly it would make it easier to calculate the time in other 
countries.  However these days the move because of the Internet is to 
drop time zones altogether and just use UTC for the entire world.  No 
calculation needed.

On 12/12/2013 11:21 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:

What's "Internet time"?

Share wondered:

> Similiarly, Judy, what I'd really like to know is what percentage of 
Internet time is from the 'bots and and what percentage from us humans.

On Thursday, December 12, 2013 12:40 PM, "authfriend@..." 
 wrote:
*What you want to ask, Share, is not whether "942 members of FFL are 
bots" (or whether any members of FFL are bots, for that matter) but 
whether 61.5 percent of visits to FFL are made by bots. There's no way 
for us to know that (although the answer is almost certainly not, 
given what bots are for and what FFL is), but at least the question 
makes sense/*

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

Judy and turq, I'm still amazed by that 61.5 statistic. And it was 
interesting to me to translate that into the everyday context of FFL. 
I wonder if there are any real 'bots who at least visit here.

On Thursday, December 12, 2013 10:18 AM, "authfriend@..." 
 wrote:
You see, according to Barry, no post commenting on something he has 
said has any meaning unless he validates it by responding to it. IOW, 
it's entirely up to Barry whether one is a bot or not. ;-)

Barry bites:

> turq, does this mean that 942 members of FFL are bots?!

*/< < Absolutely. You can always tell the 'bots from the
humans because they're the ones who keep replying to posts
from people who don't reply to them. What would do that *but*
a 'bot? :-) > > /*

> On Thursday, December 12, 2013 9:31 AM, TurquoiseB
turquoiseb@... wrote:
>
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-25346235
>

[FairfieldLife] "How Animals Eat Their Food"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnydFmqHuVo 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnydFmqHuVo 
 

 (For some reason I can no longer insert clickable links. The icon has stopped 
working.)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Over half of all Internet users are not human

What's "Internet time"?

Share wondered:

 > Similiarly, Judy, what I'd really like to know is what percentage of 
 > Internet time is from the 'bots and and what percentage from us humans.

 On Thursday, December 12, 2013 12:40 PM, "authfriend@..."  
wrote:

   What you want to ask, Share, is not whether "942 members of FFL are bots" 
(or whether any members of FFL are bots, for that matter) but whether 61.5 
percent of visits to FFL are made by bots. There's no way for us to know that 
(although the answer is almost certainly not, given what bots are for and what 
FFL is), but at least the question makes sense/

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Judy and turq, I'm still amazed by that 61.5 statistic. And it was interesting 
to me to translate that into the everyday context of FFL. I wonder if there are 
any real 'bots who at least visit here.

 On Thursday, December 12, 2013 10:18 AM, "authfriend@..."  
wrote:

   You see, according to Barry, no post commenting on something he has said has 
any meaning unless he validates it by responding to it. IOW, it's entirely up 
to Barry whether one is a bot or not. ;-)

Barry bites:
 > turq, does this mean that 942 members of FFL are bots?! 

 < < Absolutely. You can always tell the 'bots from the humans because they're 
the ones who keep replying to posts from people who don't reply to them. What 
would do that *but* a 'bot? :-) > > 

 > On Thursday, December 12, 2013 9:31 AM, TurquoiseB turquoiseb@... wrote:
> 
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-25346235 
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-25346235 
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Big Bang totally unnecessary

Thanks for da kind woids, Ann.
 

 Ann wrote:
 I loved absolutely everything about this reply. This is not because I 
necessarily agree with all of it but because it comes from a place of such 
intelligence and openness and clarity that it makes me feel good and it makes 
the points Judy writes seem true and real. For me it is not so much about 
whether there is a God or no God, a beginning or no beginning, infinity or 
something finite, it is about if and how we allow the truth of this (whatever 
is the truth) to someday, somehow pierce us.




 Be fun to see Barry get pierced despite his best efforts. I'm not holding my 
breath, though. Cluelessness, incuriousness, and arrogance are a pretty 
effective defense.

Re: [FairfieldLife] The Rent is Too Damn High!

noozguru, zero Starbuck's in FF! Actually it's kind of fun to play with the 
strange fact: does Starbuck's coffee secretly contain an ingredient that makes 
a person vote Democratic? Or maybe there's a subliminal something happening at 
Starbucks such that one is hypnotized into voting Democratic. 





On Thursday, December 12, 2013 11:16 AM, Bhairitu  
wrote:
 
  
So how many Starbucks are in Austin?  

Strange Fact: The more Starbucks cafes there are in town, the more
  likely that county voted Democratic last election.
http://temecula.patch.com/groups/newscruncher/p/best-maps-of-2013-starbucks-and-the-election-temecula

By the time I arrived in California the "espresso era" seemed to
  be passe.  There were almost no Starbucks in the East Bay but a
  few independent shops and a Peet's in Berkeley.   People seemed to
  be into just drinking regular coffee if they drank coffee at all. 
  Finding a decent roast was difficult.  

These days there are few independent coffee places around here
  because either the owners have retired and no one was interested
  in picking up the business or they went out of business due to
  inferior roasts and poor service.  We have at least 4 Starbucks in
  this small burb's city limits.

On 12/12/2013 05:14 AM, Richard Williams wrote:

  
>We've been drinking coffee for years. We know a couple that drive all the way 
>to the north side to get their beans. They claim that the beans they get are 
>fresher, roasted on the spot. And, it's true, the beans they get are great, 
>but they cost nearly $10.00. Whenever we're on that side of town we get a bag 
>of their beans.
>
>
>We're also pretty fond of Starbucks French Roast beans, available at Starbucks 
>and Target, which are both close by - $9.00. Most of the Starbucks have a 
>coupon and we get a free cup of joe when we return the bag to Starbucks - a 
>$2.00 value - sweet! And we love the free Wi-Fi and reading the New York Times 
>they provide. We also like the 360 beans at Whole Foods - $8.00.
>
>
>We love to drink coffee, but at those prices, we could go broke before we even 
>get awake. Go figure. So, I bought a large can of Folgers ground coffee for 
>backup at the local grocery store, so we could drink as much coffee as we 
>wanted, all day and night, for cheap.
>
>
>The rent is too damn high!
>
>
>
>On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 7:38 PM, Richard J. Williams  
>wrote:
>
>Today we went to the grocery store to get a few things and return about a 
>hundred plastic bags. In the parking lot I turned left to find a parking slot 
>and there was this yahoo in a big truck heading toward me, GOING THE WRONG 
>WAY, driving a Ford F-350 with dual wheels on back.
>>
>>At first I said "You **fukin
  **#@*&^^!!!#@&*%$#%@ SOB! 
>>
>>Then, I realized the poor guy was not only real
  dumb and half blind and confused, but he was
  probably driving the only vehicle he owned and
  paying $600 a month in payments, just to go get a
  six-pack of beer and a carton of cigarettes at the
  store. Go figure.
>>
>>So then, in the Christmas spirit, I said:  you
  **fukin **#@*&^^!!!#@&*%$#%@ poor
  bastard!" and backed up, causing a traffic jam in
  front of the store.
>>
>>Then, on the way home at a stop light, a guy
  dressed in overalls with a styrofoam cup in his
  hand  tried to hit us up for some spare change.
  So, still in the Christmas spirit, I rolled down
  the window and said real nice: "We don't have any
  cash - we're living on credit cards. Sorry we
  can't donate anything - I know it looks like I'm
  rich because I'm driving a shiny new car, but this
  where all our money is going, just so we can get
  to the store to buy some beer and a few canned
  goods!" LoL!
>>
>>When we got home, the Salvation Army called on the
  telephone to ask if we could donate anything and
  to leave it on the front porch FRIDAY THE 13th.
  You can't make this stuff up! 
>>
>>
>>The rent is too damn high! 
>>
>>
>>On 12/6/2013 3:10 PM, Bhairitu wrote:
>>
>>  
>>>I used to change the oil myself on my '77 Subaru wagon.  But it is a messy 
>>>job and required a custom oil filter.  Current oil changes at the local shop 
>>>up the street who now do my Subaru maintenance is $40.  How much time 
>>>depends on how busy they are but the longest wait would be about an hour.  I 
>>>watch the oil to see how dirty it is.  However I have yet to reach the miles 
>>>they put on the sticker a year ago.  Everything I need is a short trip 
>>>around here so I don't rack up miles and they always kid me about all

Re: [FairfieldLife] Hindus and Satanists unite

noozguru, what a funny ole world we live in. I love it!





On Thursday, December 12, 2013 11:32 AM, Bhairitu  
wrote:
 
  
This is kinda funny and more power to them.

Hindus join Satanists demanding equal placement on Oklahoma capitol grounds
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/12/11/hindus-join-satanists-demanding-equal-placement-on-oklahoma-capitol-grounds/

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Over half of all Internet users are not human

Similiarly, Judy, what I'd really like to know is what percentage of Internet 
time is from the 'bots and and what percentage from us humans.

On Thursday, December 12, 2013 12:40 PM, "authfri...@yahoo.com" 
 wrote:

What you want to ask, Share, is not whether "942 members of FFL are bots" (or 
whether any members of FFL are bots, for that matter) but whether 61.5 percent 
of visits to FFL are made by bots. There's no way for us to know that (although 
the answer is almost certainly not, given what bots are for and what FFL is), 
but at least the question makes sense/

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

Judy and turq, I'm still amazed by that 61.5 statistic. And it was interesting 
to me to translate that into the everyday context of FFL. I wonder if there are 
any real 'bots who at least visit here.

On Thursday, December 12, 2013 10:18 AM, "authfriend@..."  
wrote:

You see, according to Barry, no post commenting on something he has said has 
any meaning unless he validates it by responding to it. IOW, it's entirely up 
to Barry whether one is a bot or not. ;-)

Barry bites:

> turq, does this mean that 942 members of FFL are bots?! 
>>
>>< < Absolutely. You can always tell the 'bots from the humans because they're 
>>the ones who keep replying to posts from people who don't reply to them. What 
>>would do that *but* a 'bot? :-) > > 
>
>
>
>> On Thursday, December 12, 2013 9:31 AM, TurquoiseB turquoiseb@... wrote:
>>> 
>>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-25346235 
>>>
>>

[FairfieldLife] RE: Krapp's Last Tape

Just for the record, I meant that I'm surprised anyone was interested enough! I 
don't think it's out of your league at all, but stick to what you're 
comfortable with. Don't be hesitant to ask questions if you have them. Whether 
either Bob or I will be able to answer them is a different matter. ;-)

Emily wrote:

 Re: Wow, really? Well, by all means jump in the conversation whenever you feel 
like it.

 Yes, really.  Funny.  I won't be jumping in however; it's new to me and way 
out of my league.  I'm practicing listening, although I could probably tell you 
how I'm *feeling* about it. Oh dear.  Smile.  

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Thanks very much, Emily, I will do that shortly. The weird thing is that the 
embedded videos didn't show up in Bob's posts, just the URLs. And when I 
checked my latest post last night just after sending it, they didn't show up in 
mine either. But this morning they do.

 Emily wrote:

 >> Judy I am watching/reading this.  FYI, the embedded videos at the bottom 
 >> appear to cut off your response here (below).  I'm a few or more hours away 
 >> from finishing the full content, but when you get a chance, would love it 
 >> if you would post the rest of your reply.  [ I also read the Wikipedia 
 >> level last night - :) ] >>

 Wow, really? Well, by all means jump in the conversation whenever you feel 
like it.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Over half of all Internet users are not human

What you want to ask, Share, is not whether "942 members of FFL are bots" (or 
whether any members of FFL are bots, for that matter) but whether 61.5 percent 
of visits to FFL are made by bots. There's no way for us to know that (although 
the answer is almost certainly not, given what bots are for and what FFL is), 
but at least the question makes sense/

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Judy and turq, I'm still amazed by that 61.5 statistic. And it was interesting 
to me to translate that into the everyday context of FFL. I wonder if there are 
any real 'bots who at least visit here.

 On Thursday, December 12, 2013 10:18 AM, "authfriend@..."  
wrote:

   You see, according to Barry, no post commenting on something he has said has 
any meaning unless he validates it by responding to it. IOW, it's entirely up 
to Barry whether one is a bot or not. ;-)

Barry bites:
 > turq, does this mean that 942 members of FFL are bots?! 

 < < Absolutely. You can always tell the 'bots from the humans because they're 
the ones who keep replying to posts from people who don't reply to them. What 
would do that *but* a 'bot? :-) > > 

 > On Thursday, December 12, 2013 9:31 AM, TurquoiseB turquoiseb@... wrote:
> 
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-25346235 
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-25346235 
>

[FairfieldLife] About Time!!!

‘This is not a movement you are going to stop’ – Connecticut governor 
signs first GMO labeling law in US

http://rt.com/usa/connecticut-malloy-gmo-labels-148/

Now to get another proposition on the California ballot and watch 
closely for voting machine tampering. There is evidence that the 
California proposition passed but the machines were tampered. Recounts 
were blocked in the big farma counties. Go figure.





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[FairfieldLife] Carl Sagan and Government_ Charlie Rose.wmv - YouTube

2013-12-12 Thread Rick Archer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iyFw8UF85A

[FairfieldLife] Hindus and Satanists unite

This is kinda funny and more power to them.

Hindus join Satanists demanding equal placement on Oklahoma capitol grounds
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/12/11/hindus-join-satanists-demanding-equal-placement-on-oklahoma-capitol-grounds/

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Over half of all Internet users are not human

When one authors a web site you put in a robots.txt file which supposed 
to keep bots out of areas of your board which are not relevant or you 
don't want snooping around in.

On 12/12/2013 08:24 AM, Share Long wrote:
Judy and turq, I'm still amazed by that 61.5 statistic. And it was 
interesting to me to translate that into the everyday context of FFL. 
I wonder if there are any real 'bots who at least visit here.

On Thursday, December 12, 2013 10:18 AM, "authfri...@yahoo.com" 
 wrote:
You see, according to Barry, no post commenting on something he has 
said has any meaning unless he validates it by responding to it. IOW, 
it's entirely up to Barry whether one is a bot or not. ;-)

Barry bites:

> turq, does this mean that 942 members of FFL are bots?!

*/< < Absolutely. You can always tell the 'bots from the humans 
because they're the ones who keep replying to posts from people who 
don't reply to them. What would do that *but* a 'bot? :-) > > /*

> On Thursday, December 12, 2013 9:31 AM, TurquoiseB
turquoiseb@... wrote:
>
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-25346235
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: What People Eat

These cold California days a toasted sandwich is really good.  So I 
decided to skip the two step process and got a sandwich toaster.  
They're not expensive and I decided to go after a Cuisinart one since it 
got good reviews and would be built well compared to some of the usual 
brands you see on the shelves of the drug store gift section (and 
usually overpriced).  Bonus two, I drove down to Bed, Bath and Beyond 
and picked it up with a $5 off coupon the send with their fliers.


On 12/12/2013 04:57 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote:


Got one on the way from Amazon! You've saved me from one step in my 
coffee making routine. I knew I could count on you. Thanks for the tip.


Capresso 259 H2O Plus Glass Water Kettle, Polished Chrome:
http://www.amazon.com/Capresso-259-Kettle-Polished-Chrome 



On 12/11/2013 4:28 PM, j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com wrote:


I improve on the boiling water recipe by using an electric kettle, 
specifically the glass electric kettle made by Capresso. I like it 
because I can easily see exactly how much water is being put in, and 
it's quicker and quieter than the steel kettle on the stove.

Re: [FairfieldLife] The Rent is Too Damn High!

So how many Starbucks are in Austin?

Strange Fact: The more Starbucks cafes there are in town, the more
likely that county voted Democratic last election.

http://temecula.patch.com/groups/newscruncher/p/best-maps-of-2013-starbucks-and-the-election-temecula

By the time I arrived in California the "espresso era" seemed to be
passe. There were almost no Starbucks in the East Bay but a few
independent shops and a Peet's in Berkeley. People seemed to be into
just drinking regular coffee if they drank coffee at all. Finding a
decent roast was difficult.

These days there are few independent coffee places around here because
either the owners have retired and no one was interested in picking up
the business or they went out of business due to inferior roasts and
poor service. We have at least 4 Starbucks in this small burb's city
limits.

On 12/12/2013 05:14 AM, Richard Williams wrote:
We've been drinking coffee for years. We know a couple that drive all
the way to the north side to get their beans. They claim that the
beans they get are fresher, roasted on the spot. And, it's true, the
beans they get are great, but they cost nearly $10.00. Whenever we're
on that side of town we get a bag of their beans.

We're also pretty fond of Starbucks French Roast beans, available at
Starbucks and Target, which are both close by - $9.00. Most of the
Starbucks have a coupon and we get a free cup of joe when we return
the bag to Starbucks - a $2.00 value - sweet! And we love the free
Wi-Fi and reading the New York Times they provide. We also like the
360 beans at Whole Foods - $8.00.

We love to drink coffee, but at those prices, we could go broke before
we even get awake. Go figure. So, I bought a large can of Folgers
ground coffee for backup at the local grocery store, so we could drink
as much coffee as we wanted, all day and night, for cheap.

The rent is too damn high!

On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 7:38 PM, Richard J. Williams
mailto:pundits...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Today we went to the grocery store to get a few things and return
about a hundred plastic bags. In the parking lot I turned left to
find a parking slot and there was this yahoo in a big truck
heading toward me, GOING THE WRONG WAY, driving a Ford F-350 with
dual wheels on back.

At first I said "You **fukin **#@*&^^!!!#@&*%$#%@ SOB!

Then, I realized the poor guy was not only real dumb and half
blind and confused, but he was probably driving the only vehicle
he owned and paying $600 a month in payments, just to go get a
six-pack of beer and a carton of cigarettes at the store. Go figure.

So then, in the Christmas spirit, I said: you **fukin
**#@*&^^!!!#@&*%$#%@ poor bastard!" and backed up, causing a
traffic jam in front of the store.

Then, on the way home at a stop light, a guy dressed in overalls
with a styrofoam cup in his hand tried to hit us up for some
spare change. So, still in the Christmas spirit, I rolled down the
window and said real nice: "We don't have any cash - we're living
on credit cards. Sorry we can't donate anything - I know it looks
like I'm rich because I'm driving a shiny new car, but this where
all our money is going, just so we can get to the store to buy
some beer and a few canned goods!" LoL!

When we got home, the Salvation Army called on the telephone to
ask if we could donate anything and to leave it on the front porch
FRIDAY THE 13th. You can't make this stuff up!

The rent is too damn high!

On 12/6/2013 3:10 PM, Bhairitu wrote:

I used to change the oil myself on my '77 Subaru wagon. But it
is a messy job and required a custom oil filter. Current oil
changes at the local shop up the street who now do my Subaru
maintenance is $40. How much time depends on how busy they are
but the longest wait would be about an hour. I watch the oil to
see how dirty it is. However I have yet to reach the miles they
put on the sticker a year ago. Everything I need is a short trip
around here so I don't rack up miles and they always kid me about
all the driving I do.

I heard a report the other day on why car prices have exceeded
inflation over the years and the bottom line was.. you got
it... profit. Adding air bags do not add much to the price
though companies use safety features as a reason. In 1973 I
bought a new Datsun wagon for a mere $1800. I put the figure for
my '77 Subaru wagon in an inflation calculator and my $2800 '77
should only cost around $11K these days adjusted for inflation.

OTOH, the other day I ordered a new keyless remote for the '98
Subaru since the second of the original pair was beginning to
fall apart. A few years back I looked online and found that the
price for a remote was around $70. This time I found one online
for my year and model for only $15 including shipping. It was
easy to

[FairfieldLife] RE: Krapp's Last Tape

Re: Wow, really? Well, by all means jump in the conversation whenever you feel 
like it.

 Yes, really.  Funny.  I won't be jumping in however; it's new to me and way 
out of my league.  I'm practicing listening, although I could probably tell you 
how I'm *feeling* about it. Oh dear.  Smile.  

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Thanks very much, Emily, I will do that shortly. The weird thing is that the 
embedded videos didn't show up in Bob's posts, just the URLs. And when I 
checked my latest post last night just after sending it, they didn't show up in 
mine either. But this morning they do.

 Emily wrote:

 >> Judy I am watching/reading this.  FYI, the embedded videos at the bottom 
 >> appear to cut off your response here (below).  I'm a few or more hours away 
 >> from finishing the full content, but when you get a chance, would love it 
 >> if you would post the rest of your reply.  [ I also read the Wikipedia 
 >> level last night - :) ] >>

 Wow, really? Well, by all means jump in the conversation whenever you feel 
like it.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Over half of all Internet users are not human

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote:
 >
> turq, does this mean that 942 members of FFL are bots?! 

Absolutely. You can always tell the 'bots from the humans because they're the 
ones who keep replying to posts from people who don't reply to them. What would 
do that *but* a 'bot? :-)

 Can you be a bot and not know it? Can you say you don't reply to posts from 
others when really you do and still not realize you reply? Can you be human and 
still act like a bot? Can a bot act like a human? Imagining you as a bot would 
certainly explain an awful lot, Bawwy, you know, that freak of nature thing?

 > On Thursday, December 12, 2013 9:31 AM, TurquoiseB turquoiseb@... wrote:
> 
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-25346235 
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-25346235 
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Big Bang totally unnecessary

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Barry ranted:
 It's just one of those arguments that God-freaks trot out to "prove" the 
existence of the Big Man In The Sky they believe in. 

 Sheesh, you're even more ignorant than Richard Dawkins. Get that Straw Man in 
the Sky before he gets you!

The whole *point* of the thesis I proposed is that there was *never* a Creation 
of the universe. Take that away, that the notion of who or what "created" it 
becomes moot.

Yes, John is saying you can't take that away, not and make any sense. Maybe 
he's right, maybe he's wrong, but we sure haven't seen an intelligent 
counterargument from you.
 > And my comment that one of the possibilities is the universe just happened, 
 > that is, arose spontaneously, obviously does not allow further logical 
 > scrutiny. We could only investigate scientifically what happened after it 
 > began. 

 This is the thing that I think freaks the God-freaks out so much.

 Clearly John isn't a God-freak, then, because it doesn't freak him out.

 They (or at least many of them) want to believe that the universe *didn't* 
just happen, that there is a purpose or meaning for it. They want to believe 
this, of course, because they feel it gives *their* lives and existence some 
kind of meaning. I've never really understood this need to feel as if there was 
a Plan or some kind of Intelligence behind All That Is. It's just *fine* with 
me if it simply Is. 

 Smell you. What you're incapable of understanding is that your sense that "it 
simply is" is the same type of sense others have of an intelligence behind the 
universe. I don't have the latter type of sense myself, but I'm not appalled or 
outraged by it, and I've read enough theology to know that those who do--even 
if they're wrong--are by no means "feeble-minded." (Well, some are, but so are 
some ignorant know-it-all atheists.)

 I simply don't *understand* how the God-freaks can get their panties in such a 
twist over someone believing that their "God" is a fairy tale.

 No, Barry, you've got your panties in a twist because they don't believe God 
is a fairy tale.

 Are they so convinced of His/Her/Its existence that they feel "affronted" by 
someone not convinced of that existence, or someone like myself who has no need 
to even *postulate* the existence of a God? That sounds like attachment to me.

 No, you feel affronted by someone who is convinced of God's existence. You are 
quite obviously at least as attached to your idea that God doesn't exist as 
they are to their idea that God does exist. You are completely unable to 
discuss it rationally. You get hysterical every time you try.

To me the universe is a source of infinite wonder and mystery. The fact that it 
seems to have *always* been around, and *always* been a source of wonder and 
mystery just makes it all more wonderful and mysterious. To me, life as we know 
it happening by accident is FAR more wonderful and mysterious than it happening 
as the result of some design or Plan.

 Sez you. What makes you think you're so smart you know what could be more 
wonderful and mysterious than life happening as a result of a design or Plan?

Let's face it. Look around, for fuck's sake. If this world was Planned, then 
God is at best an underachiever and at worst totally incompetent. 

 Sez you. You are so bereft of conceptual imagination. You can't even conceive 
of the possibility--whether or not you think it's likely--that your ideas of 
How the World Should Be might be faulty. The issue of whether an 
omnibenevolent, omnipotent, etc., God can be reconciled with the human 
perception of evil has been faced and discussed and debated by religious people 
(many of them a whole lot smarter than you, or me, for that matter) ever since 
there was such a concept of God.

 The problem here isn't that you deny the existence of God; the problem is that 
you're such a complete--and arrogant--ignoramus about issues of religion, and 
that you are so firmly attached to your ignorance. Whatever happened to 
Russell's "wish to find out"?

 I loved absolutely everything about this reply. This is not because I 
necessarily agree with all of it but because it comes from a place of such 
intelligence and openness and clarity that it makes me feel good and it makes 
the points Judy writes seem true and real. For me it is not so much about 
whether there is a God or no God, a beginning or no beginning, infinity or 
something finite, it is about if and how we allow the truth of this (whatever 
is the truth) to someday, somehow pierce us.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Over half of all Internet users are not human

Judy and turq, I'm still amazed by that 61.5 statistic. And it was interesting 
to me to translate that into the everyday context of FFL. I wonder if there are 
any real 'bots who at least visit here.

On Thursday, December 12, 2013 10:18 AM, "authfri...@yahoo.com" 
 wrote:

You see, according to Barry, no post commenting on something he has said has 
any meaning unless he validates it by responding to it. IOW, it's entirely up 
to Barry whether one is a bot or not. ;-)

Barry bites:

> turq, does this mean that 942 members of FFL are bots?! 
>
>< < Absolutely. You can always tell the 'bots from the humans because they're 
>the ones who keep replying to posts from people who don't reply to them. What 
>would do that *but* a 'bot? :-) > > 

> On Thursday, December 12, 2013 9:31 AM, TurquoiseB turquoiseb@... wrote:
>> 
>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-25346235 
>>
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Over half of all Internet users are not human

You see, according to Barry, no post commenting on something he has said has 
any meaning unless he validates it by responding to it. IOW, it's entirely up 
to Barry whether one is a bot or not. ;-)

Barry bites:
 > turq, does this mean that 942 members of FFL are bots?! 

 < < Absolutely. You can always tell the 'bots from the humans because they're 
the ones who keep replying to posts from people who don't reply to them. What 
would do that *but* a 'bot? :-) > > 

 > On Thursday, December 12, 2013 9:31 AM, TurquoiseB turquoiseb@... wrote:
> 
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-25346235 
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-25346235 
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Over half of all Internet users are not human

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> turq, does this mean that 942 members of FFL are bots?!

Absolutely. You can always tell the 'bots from the humans because
they're the ones who keep replying to posts from people who don't reply
to them. What would do that *but* a 'bot? :-)

> On Thursday, December 12, 2013 9:31 AM, TurquoiseB turquoiseb@...
wrote:
>
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-25346235

>

Re: [FairfieldLife] A Cat's Guide To Taking Care Of Your Human

Love it!





On Thursday, December 12, 2013 7:24 AM, TurquoiseB  wrote:
 
  
It's a commercial, but if you live with a cat or two, a good one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJPJUaZZOss&feature=youtu.be

Re: [FairfieldLife] Over half of all Internet users are not human

turq, does this mean that 942 members of FFL are bots?! 





On Thursday, December 12, 2013 9:31 AM, TurquoiseB  wrote:
 
  
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-25346235

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sid's reply to the infamous B.Mullquist!

This is a wonderful story, Richard, and one that I've never heard before, thank 
you for posting. Next time I sweep snow off the front deck, I'll pay closer 
attention to the sound of the broom on the wood. There's hope for me yet!

On Thursday, December 12, 2013 7:41 AM, Richard J. Williams 
 wrote:

It's like a zen koan: You can think of this way - there are souls, but no 
over-soul; you have a soul while you are living, but not an eternal soul; when 
you pass away, there's no permanent soul to reincarnate; but there may be 
left-over karma that you have to deal with; so there is rebirth, so you can 
continue to deal with, to work it out, your past karma; so you can become 
enlightened, liberated, from the endless round of becoming.

Excerpt paraphrased from 'Buddha Speaks:'

"One day a bright and intelligent student of the Buddha asked if
  he could fetch his younger brother to join the order. Delighted,
  the Buddha agreed. But the younger brother, although kind and
  gentle, turned out to be slow and dull witted. He could understand
  nothing of his studies and asked to go home so that he wouldn't
  waste the Buddha's time or let down his brother. "There's no need
  for you to give up," said the Buddha. "You should not abandon your
  search for liberation just because you seem to yourself to be
  thick witted. You can drop all the philosophy you've been given
  and repeat a mantra instead - one that I will now give you." 

He gave the young monk a mantra and sent him away affectionately.
  But soon the monk was back, this time even more humiliated. "My
  beloved Buddha, I can't remember the mantra you gave me and so I
  can no longer practice." The Buddha kindly repeated it for him.
  But twice more he came back, having forgotten it each time. So the
  Buddha gave him a simplified form. But when this too slipped
  completely out of his mind, he hardly dared visit the Buddha
  again. "There's an even shorter version," the Buddha told him,
  with a smile, "It's just two syllables. See if you can remember
  that." But he could not.

In his hut, he broke down and wept. His brother found him and was
  furious, feeling that his own reputation was now sullied. He told
  the young monk to go home, and so the boy left the hut and sadly
  made his way along the path. As he neared a grove of trees, he met
  the Buddha coming from it. The Buddha smiled and took his hand.
  Together they went to a temple where two old monks were sweeping
  the floor. The Buddha said to them: "This young monk will live
  here with you from now on. Continue your sweeping, and as your
  broom moves back and forth, listen to the sound of the broom.
  Don't stop until I come back." 

The young monk sat down and listened to the movement of the
  brooms, to and fro over the floor. He heard the whispered rhythm
  of the broom sound as it was repeated over and over again. This
  went on for many months, and before the Buddha came back, the
  young monk had found full liberation and so had the two old
  monks."  

Work Cited:

'Buddha Speaks'
by Anne Bancroft
Shambhala Publications 2000
Chapter on Clarity, From the Majjhima Nikaya
p. 47

The above is an excerpt from a great book from Shambhala
  Publications, by Anne Bancroft, author of the classic 'Zen: Direct
  Pointing to Reality.' A must read for anyone aspiring to the
  Middle Way and or for the plain curious TMer, as to what the
  Buddha actually said. Authoritative. Scholarly. Destined to be a
  classic. Beautifully bound and designed. Affordable. Available at
  Barnes and Noble and Amazon.

On 12/12/2013 6:47 AM, Share Long wrote:

>Richard, if it's all just an appearance then I guess there's no one to reply 
>to. And no one replying either! Is everything a metaphor for everything else? 
>(-:
>
>
>
>On Thursday, December 12, 2013 6:21 AM, Richard Williams 
> wrote:
> 
>  
>The problem here is that there's no blonde on either side - it's all just an 
>appearance. 
>
>
>In reality, there's nobody to be blonde, no sides at all, and no going over 
>either. We talk as if there was another shore on the other side and a boat 
>that takes us over, but those are just conventions of speech- a metaphor.And, 
>what's a meta for? A metaphor is for dummies that don't understand and can't 
>experience directly the way things really are. Go figure.
>
>
>
>On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 2:53 AM, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
>  
>>--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" wrote:
>>>
>>> That's like a zen
  koan:
>>> 
>>> "You need a boat
  to cross over to the
  other side. But, once
  you cross 
>>> over, you find

[FairfieldLife] Over half of all Internet users are not human

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-25346235

[FairfieldLife] RE: Unanswered question

2013-12-12 Thread emptybill

An-artaxios sez: 
"I recall reading something long ago about the gnostics, that our awareness is 
imprisoned, and there are seven levels to this prison and we have to escape 
each one before we are free." 

 These stations are known as the toll-houses of the soul. Each one is 
controlled by an planetary Archon who demands a toll-price (secret word or 
idea) to ascend further towards some limitless "heaven". The visible and 
invisible universe is considered to be a realm of imprisonment ruled by "evil" 
daimons - the sadam husseins of the celestial realm. 

 

 Not just ancient history, I was on website where some Greek Orthodox priest 
recently gave this account and was swiftly condemned for offering a Gnostic 
heresy as an interpretative method of understanding the afterlife.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Big Bang totally unnecessary

Barry ranted:
 It's just one of those arguments that God-freaks trot out to "prove" the 
existence of the Big Man In The Sky they believe in. 

 

 Sheesh, you're even more ignorant than Richard Dawkins. Get that Straw Man in 
the Sky before he gets you!

The whole *point* of the thesis I proposed is that there was *never* a Creation 
of the universe. Take that away, that the notion of who or what "created" it 
becomes moot.
 
Yes, John is saying you can't take that away, not and make any sense. Maybe 
he's right, maybe he's wrong, but we sure haven't seen an intelligent 
counterargument from you.
 > And my comment that one of the possibilities is the universe just happened, 
 > that is, arose spontaneously, obviously does not allow further logical 
 > scrutiny. We could only investigate scientifically what happened after it 
 > began. 

 This is the thing that I think freaks the God-freaks out so much.
 

 Clearly John isn't a God-freak, then, because it doesn't freak him out.
 

 They (or at least many of them) want to believe that the universe *didn't* 
just happen, that there is a purpose or meaning for it. They want to believe 
this, of course, because they feel it gives *their* lives and existence some 
kind of meaning. I've never really understood this need to feel as if there was 
a Plan or some kind of Intelligence behind All That Is. It's just *fine* with 
me if it simply Is. 
 

 Smell you. What you're incapable of understanding is that your sense that "it 
simply is" is the same type of sense others have of an intelligence behind the 
universe. I don't have the latter type of sense myself, but I'm not appalled or 
outraged by it, and I've read enough theology to know that those who do--even 
if they're wrong--are by no means "feeble-minded." (Well, some are, but so are 
some ignorant know-it-all atheists.)


 I simply don't *understand* how the God-freaks can get their panties in such a 
twist over someone believing that their "God" is a fairy tale.
 

 No, Barry, you've got your panties in a twist because they don't believe God 
is a fairy tale.
 

 Are they so convinced of His/Her/Its existence that they feel "affronted" by 
someone not convinced of that existence, or someone like myself who has no need 
to even *postulate* the existence of a God? That sounds like attachment to me.
 

 No, you feel affronted by someone who is convinced of God's existence. You are 
quite obviously at least as attached to your idea that God doesn't exist as 
they are to their idea that God does exist. You are completely unable to 
discuss it rationally. You get hysterical every time you try.

To me the universe is a source of infinite wonder and mystery. The fact that it 
seems to have *always* been around, and *always* been a source of wonder and 
mystery just makes it all more wonderful and mysterious. To me, life as we know 
it happening by accident is FAR more wonderful and mysterious than it happening 
as the result of some design or Plan.
 

 Sez you. What makes you think you're so smart you know what could be more 
wonderful and mysterious than life happening as a result of a design or Plan?

Let's face it. Look around, for fuck's sake. If this world was Planned, then 
God is at best an underachiever and at worst totally incompetent. 
 

 Sez you. You are so bereft of conceptual imagination. You can't even conceive 
of the possibility--whether or not you think it's likely--that your ideas of 
How the World Should Be might be faulty. The issue of whether an 
omnibenevolent, omnipotent, etc., God can be reconciled with the human 
perception of evil has been faced and discussed and debated by religious people 
(many of them a whole lot smarter than you, or me, for that matter) ever since 
there was such a concept of God.
 

 The problem here isn't that you deny the existence of God; the problem is that 
you're such a complete--and arrogant--ignoramus about issues of religion, and 
that you are so firmly attached to your ignorance. Whatever happened to 
Russell's "wish to find out"?

[FairfieldLife] RE: Krapp's Last Tape, part deux

Continuing with what got cut off:
 

 Starts on page 3 of the Scribd pagination. It's long--he's pretty
 wordy--but he goes well beyond the Wikipedia level. He also wrote
 a book called The Darkness of God: Negativity in Christian 
 Mysticism, which I haven't read but plan to. (By "negativity," he
 means apophaticism.)
 

 Is it possible to be apophatically inclined--not the right word,
 but it'll have to do--and not know it, and thereby mistake the 
 lack of a sense of a God with attributes for God's absence? That's 
 the connection I was stumbling toward with gnosticism, and also
 with Robin's theories. (Oh, and with the Beckett quote above.) Would an 
 apophatic-type God seem too much like Brahman for someone who had 
 come to perceive Impersonal God as a snare and a delusion? Am I
 making any sense here?
 

 I never really found the Monte Cassino notion to be convincing, to be
 honest. But it didn't seem to be up for argument. And Pope Francis has
 made me wonder about whether Roman Catholicism might be getting
 its power back. Would have loved to ask Robin about that. What's
 your take on this, if I may ask? (You are, or were, Catholic, as I recall,
 right?)
 

 > For some reason, it reminded me of Colin McCann's idea that homo 
 > sapiens have not evolved biologically enough (yet?) to understand 
 > their unique self awareness.
 

 Colin McGinn, he of the recent sexual harassment scandal. 
 

 > In "Last Ape Standing" Chip Walter uses a 365 day calendar to 
 > create understandable scale to the seven million year journey of 
 > hominids; beginning on January 01: human self awareness dawns on 
 > December 19th, the tribe of 100---we all appear related to---
 > exists Africa on December 27th, cultivation at Gobekli Tepe begins 
 > New Years Eve---early afternoon, hierarchy---caused by surpluses 
 > from cultivation---appears around supper time, and human history 
 > begins around 10:30pm. My question would be, with the speed we've 
 > been moving the past 12,000 years why wouldn't there be more steps 
 > of evolution for hominids in our future, and possibly a step where 
 > understanding of self awareness is obvious to us (assuming some of 
 > us survive, and we're not just the bottle neck or dead end).
 

 Seems like an awfully big leap, and survival is pretty iffy at this 
 point. I'm not sure either that biological evolution per se would
 help.
 

 Someone once said (badly paraphrased) that the secret of the universe
 is like a safe with the key locked inside. That seems to apply to where
 we are now with understanding self-awareness. We can't see what
 we're seeing with.
 

 But I remember some time ago having a sort of epiphany reading the
 first chapters of Science of Being and Art of Living. The solution
 to the safe paradox had to something to do with Self-reference, as I
 recall, but  it's foggy now. I'll have to go back and see if I can recapture 
it.
 

 Jeepers. Enough! Go to bed, Judy. Good night, Bob.
 

 
 

 > Great to hear from you as well.
 >
 > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpKZBr-YGv4
 

 As Emily would say, Tee hee...

[FairfieldLife] Re: For all romantics out there

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard Williams  wrote:
>
> Very romantic dancing song!

Speaking of romantic songs, here's one that has a cool story behind it.
Back when I used to live in L.A., there was a bar out in North Malibu
that I used to go to often to listen to a band called Billy and the
Beaters. They were without question the most FUN band in L.A. to see and
dance to, a modern version of the old Ray Charles band, with a horn
section and great players. And Billy himself was just the best -- great
guy, great voice, great songwriter, and fun.

Anyway, he and his band were known around L.A., but their only album was
long out of print and they were just gettin' by on club dates, and then
a TV producer caught their act, loved it, and decided that one of
Billy's songs would be perfect as the soundtrack behind key romantic
moments between Michael J. Fox and Tracy Pollan on the TV show "Family
Ties."

The song, and the album it was on, had been out of print for several
years. But after the broadcast of the show fans were clamoring for it so
much that Rhino Records acquired the rights and released a "Best of
Billy and the Beaters" album, and the song itself ("At This Moment")
shot to #1 on the national charts and stayed there for 15 weeks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OH4odHVfF5E

[FairfieldLife] Re: Great Country Classics

Marty Robbins

[image: Inline image 1]

Marty Robbins "Devil Woman" 1978 Live in Holland
http://youtu.be/_zhHpsMezkA


On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 10:18 PM, Richard Williams wrote:

> Tear Jerk Song
>
> [image: Inline image 1]
>
> George Strait - Give It Away
> http://youtu.be/qYNcR44qKds
>
>  "She was stormin' through the house that day
>  And I could tell she was leavin'
>  And I thought, 'aw, she'll be back.'
>  Until we turned around and pointed at the wall and said
>
>  That picture from out honeymoon
>  That night in 'Frisco Bay
>  Just give it away
>  She said give it away
>
>  That big four poster king sized bed
>  Where so much love was made
>  Just give it away
>  She said just give it away
>
>  [Chorus]
>  Just give it away
>  There ain't nothing in this house worth fightin' over
>  Oh, we're both tired of fightin' anyway
>  Just give it away
>
>  Oh, I tried to move on
>  But I found that each woman I held
>  Just reminded me of that day
>
>  When that front door swung wide open
>  She flung her diamond ring
>  Said, give it away
>  Just give it away
>
>  And I said, now honey
>  Don't you even want your half of everything
>  She said give it away
>  Just give it away
>
>  [Chorus]
>
>  So, I'm still right here where she left me
>  Along with all the other things that she don't care about anymore
>  Hmm
>
>  Like that picture from our honeymoon
>  That night in 'Frisco Bay
>  She said give it away
>  Well, I can't give it away
>  That big four poster king sized bed
>  Where all our love was made
>  She said give it away
>  Well, I can't give it away
>
>  I've got furnished house
>  A diamond ring
>  And a lonely, broken heart
>  Full of love
>  And I can't even give it away"
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 12:27 PM, Richard Williams 
> wrote:
>
>> George Strait
>>
>> [image: Inline image 1]
>>
>> George Strait - Amarillo By Morning (Live From The Houston Astrodome)
>> http://youtu.be/kX_9Go0Z8e4
>>
>> One of my favorite Straight songs, "Amarillo by Morning", is regarded by
>> many as one of the greatest country songs of all-time. Billboard ranked
>> Strait No. 1 in the top 25 country artists of the past 25 years.
>>
>> "According to the RIAA, Strait is the 12th best-selling album recording
>> artist in the United States overall, with 60 number one hit singles. Strait
>> was named Artist of the Decade by the Academy of Country Music. He was
>> inducted into the Country Music Hall of Fame, and won his first Grammy
>> award for the album Troubadour. Strait was named CMA Entertainer of the
>> Year in 1989, 1990 and 2013, and ACM Entertainer of the Year in 1990."
>>
>> Read more:
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Strait
>>
>
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: For all romantics out there

Very romantic dancing song!

[image: Inline image 1]

'I Just Want to Dance With You'
by George Strait
http://youtu.be/HxxhNAyj3QQ


On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 9:28 PM, Richard Williams wrote:

> [image: Inline image 1]
>
> George Strait - The Chair
> http://youtu.be/_Nh-NsqBsGE
>
> George Strait is the "King of Country" music. George Strait was born on
> May 18, 1952, in Poteet, in Atascosa County, south of San Antonio, Texas.
> I've seen Strait perform live at least four times since 1986. I used to
> live about a mile from his ranch out near Cotulla in La Salle County.
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 12:05 PM, Richard Williams wrote:
>
>> "Write this down, take a little note to remind you in case you didn't
>> know,
>> Tell yourself I love and I don't want you to go, write this down.
>>
>> Take my words, read 'em every day, keep 'em close by, don't let 'em fade
>> away, So you'll remember what I forgot to say, write this down.
>>
>> I'll sign it at the bottom of the page, I'll swear under oath. 'Cause
>> every
>> single word is true, and I think you need to know.
>>
>> So, use it as a bookmark, stick it on your 'frigerator door.
>>
>> Hang it in a picture frame up above the mantel where you'll see it fer
>> sure."
>>
>> George Strait Write This Down
>> http://youtu.be/lAj-Q_W9AT4
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 1:01 PM, Richard Williams wrote:
>>
>>> There are a few things you guys or gals can do to be romantic to your
>>> significant other this time of year. One thing you can do is tell him or
>>> her: "I'm setting up speed-dialing on my cell phone - and you're number
>>> one."
>>>
>>> Or, you could play this song in front of a blazing fireplace curled up
>>> on a bear-skin rug:
>>>
>>> [image: Inline image 1]
>>>
>>> Suzi Quatro & Chris Norman - Stumblin' In
>>> http://youtu.be/iGaF4tKUl0o
>>>
>>> This a very romantic song by Suzi Quatro and Chris Norman. Suzi Quatro
>>> was born in Detroit, MI, USA and grew up there - her father worked for
>>> General Motors. Rita is from Detroit and Suzi was one her contemporaries
>>> and an inspiration to start her own band. I'm re-posting this song because
>>> I like it so much in case you missed it. Back when people could sing and
>>> play for real. You old timers may remember Suzi from Happy Days where she
>>> guest starred as "Leather Tuscadero".
>>>
>>
>>
>

[FairfieldLife] RE: Krapp's Last Tape

Thanks very much, Emily, I will do that shortly. The weird thing is that the 
embedded videos didn't show up in Bob's posts, just the URLs. And when I 
checked my latest post last night just after sending it, they didn't show up in 
mine either. But this morning they do.

 Emily wrote:

 >> Judy I am watching/reading this.  FYI, the embedded videos at the bottom 
 >> appear to cut off your response here (below).  I'm a few or more hours away 
 >> from finishing the full content, but when you get a chance, would love it 
 >> if you would post the rest of your reply.  [ I also read the Wikipedia 
 >> level last night - :) ] >>

 Wow, really? Well, by all means jump in the conversation whenever you feel 
like it.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sid's reply to the infamous B.Mullquist!