[FairfieldLife] Re: creative TMers who more than make up for alleged uncreative TMers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > I sure would like to know why Paul McCartney and Ringo > Starr have promoted the David Lynch push to get TM in > schools all these years after having walked away from > Maharishi. Senility? :-) Or, in Paul's case, it could just be a case of jitters caused by revealing in Rolling Stone in February that he had *finally* stopped smoking marijuana. He's Jonesing. http://hollywoodlife.com/2012/02/16/paul-mccartney-quits-marijuana-rolling-stone/ A better question might be why TMers who have been asked to demonstrate a single instance of personal creativity keep pointing to people who were both creative and famous long before they learned TM. Wouldn't it have been simpler for them to just...uh...be creative? I mean, HOW HARD IS THAT? Posting a recipe that you've come up with yourself is creative. Sharing a great photo or video you've taken is creative. Writing a poem -- however uninspired or classically poetic it may be -- is creative. Heck, one could just try to write a haiku. That's only 17 syllables worth of effort, y'know, sorta like: on this summer day asked to be creative I can't figure out how After all these decades of claiming that "TM produces this..." and "TM allows you to experience this...," you'd think that people on this forum would be just chomping at the bit to *demonstrate* these qualities in their own life. But recently, when someone asked those who feel that TM enhances spiritual experience to write up something in their Here And Now lives that they considered spiritual, there were no responses. Similarly, when those who feel that TM enhances creativity were asked to...uh...be a little creative, same thing. Nada. Zip. Bupkus. Just misdirection, pointing to people who were creative LONG before they ever heard of TM, as if that would make the requests seem to go away. Or attacks on the person who asked the question. Why would these spiritual, creative TMers *do* this? Oh. Never mind. > > From: Share Long > > OTOH maybe they bribed Jerry Seinfeld who really needs the money > > Or maybe they promised him one of the retired MIU campus vehicles > to add to his fancy car collection. > > > From: raunchydog > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: > > > > Since they appear in and at TM promotions, I assume it's > > because they at least partially attribute their continuing > > and or expanding creativity to TM practice. > > Thanks for pointing this out, Share. Funny how TM critics > prefer to ignore the obvious. > > > > > From: Susan > > > > There are loads and loads of artists, actors, and celebs > > who have learned (and some still do) TM. But many you > > never know about since they ask that it be kept private. > > Virtually all of them were creative and famous BEFORE > > they learned TM. > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: > > > > > > Clint Eastwood, Jerry Seinfeld, the Beatles, Howard Stern, > > > David Lynch, Ellen Degeneres, the Beach Boys, etc. > > > > > > Of course to grok this, one's brain must be able to CREATE > > > new neural pathways, yes? > > >
[FairfieldLife] The Toyota commercial you'll never see in America
First, watch the ad, hopefully with no preconceptions and spoilers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yD94CV7kLHE Next, read about it: http://www.salon.com/2012/08/23/toyotas_gender_bending_win/ Finally, ponder why it won't ever be shown in America. The answer is fairly obvious. American men would faint dead away if an ad like this caught them leching on an attractive model who wound up having more of an accessory package than the car being advertised did. And now, a couple of related stories. In the first, a Louisiana Christian pastor, famous for his "God hates gays" stance and activities, is convicted for masturbating while gazing at a playground full of children. One has to assume that God thinks that's OK. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/23/grant-storms-anti-gay-louisiana-pastor-obscenity_n_1825132.html And in the second, once again The Onion completely *nails* it: http://www.theonion.com/video/tampa-bay-gay-prostitutes-gearing-up-for-flood-of,29263/ Even though this story is from a humor/satire site, and thus as factual as my recent Quantum Placebonautics and Yahoo Lawsuit stories, I suspect it similarly captures the spirit of a phenomenon. If you'll remember, I lived for a time in Sitges, Spain. It's famous for being a gay Mecca, but it's *also* a convention town. There are a few large hotels there at which large groups from all over the world gather for trade shows, company rah-rah gatherings, conventions, etc. My friends in Sitges of the gay persuasion were all remarkably boring in terms of their sex lives, all either married (Spain allows same-sex marriage) or in long-term relationships that had lasted for years, and the polar opposite of the myth of gay males as being sexually promiscuous. However, they knew a few guys who worked as gay prostitutes. These gay male hookers consistently said that they made the most money when one type of convention/tour group was in town -- American Fundamentalist Christian church groups. According to these real gay hookers (as opposed to the fictional ones in The Onion's article), what would happen is that the men from these church groups would tuck their wives into bed at their hotels, and then claim insomnia and tell them that they were going out for a "walk along the beach." Then they'd go out and hook up with the gay hookers, often more than one per night. My bet is that EXACTLY the same thing will be happening in Tampa during the GOP convention.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community, Bevan Morris Role
Meanwhile you're still lying about the pandits, and pretending that they get paid $200 per month. They do not. They get paid $50 a month, with the other $150 going to the parents who sold them into this program in the first place. They never see a penny of it. Therefore they are paid $1.66 per day, not $6.60 as you claim. Meanwhile, by your own figures below, John Hagelin is paid $438 per day. From: "lengli...@cox.net" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 7:16 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community, Bevan Morris Role John Haglein is now "Raja" John Hagelin, in charge of the TMO for North America. I was arguing with someone in reddit.com about TM finances and looked at the IRS form 990 records for various TM-related organizations. John is paid $37,000 as President of the DLF. He gets another $36,000 for Global Country of World Peace activities. He gets $87,000 as Trustee and director of the Insitute for Science, etchnology and public policy at MUM. By far, he's the highest-paid TMer in North America. I haven't looked into what he is paid or not as Raja -usually that is a non-compensated position, as you have to pay (or get someone to pay for you) $1 million for the post. L
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community, Bevan Morris Role
Just following up on your apologetics, Lawson, if you persist in saying that the 20+ year old pandits in America are free to make their own legal decisions, I suggest that you are ignoring two important issues: 1. Many of them have been "in the program" and behind barbed wire since they were minors as young as 8, and thus incapable of making any legal decisions about whether they want to be there or not. Yes, they had to be at least 20 to sign the TMO slave contracts for the US, but they were too young to legally agree before that. After having been indoctrinated in TM compounds for ten years or more, it's understandable that many of them can no longer imagine any other life, and thus signed whatever was put in front of them for the prospect of a few more rupees and a few more bowls of curry per day. 2. You completely ignore the influence of family on these poor guys. I've worked with many Indian programmers over the years, and have seen at least two dozen of them *forced* by their parents to return to India and marry some woman they'd never met. Yes, "arranged marriages" are still the norm. When asked by me WHY they'd submit to this, they all replied the same: "Family." Their families would disown them if they ever did something they weren't told to do, which in India carries as much of a social stigma as it does in Japan. The pandit boys are *trapped* in their positions, unable to leave them because to do so would make them social outcasts for the rest of their lives. Now back to the money. You've talked about how much John Hagelin makes to be a shill for the TM movement. How much do YOU make to "argue on the Internet" incessantly and be pretty much a full-time apologist for the TM movement? Doesn't it ever occur to you that you're as brainwashed as the pandit boys? From: TurquoiseBee To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 7:27 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community, Bevan Morris Role Meanwhile you're still lying about the pandits, and pretending that they get paid $200 per month. They do not. They get paid $50 a month, with the other $150 going to the parents who sold them into this program in the first place. They never see a penny of it. Therefore they are paid $1.66 per day, not $6.60 as you claim. Meanwhile, by your own figures below, John Hagelin is paid $438 per day. From: "lengli...@cox.net" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 7:16 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community, Bevan Morris Role John Haglein is now "Raja" John Hagelin, in charge of the TMO for North America. I was arguing with someone in reddit.com about TM finances and looked at the IRS form 990 records for various TM-related organizations. John is paid $37,000 as President of the DLF. He gets another $36,000 for Global Country of World Peace activities. He gets $87,000 as Trustee and director of the Insitute for Science, etchnology and public policy at MUM. By far, he's the highest-paid TMer in North America. I haven't looked into what he is paid or not as Raja -usually that is a non-compensated position, as you have to pay (or get someone to pay for you) $1 million for the post. L
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community, Bevan Morris Role
I don't know, but neither do you, and neither do any of the people supporting this program. Where did the "reports" you cite come from? The TM movement will not allow any of the actual pandits to be interviewed. Even if they did, would they/could they tell the truth, if Girish's organization (which has been described in the Indian press as a "Mafia") could harm their families at home in reprisal? The one thing everyone *can* agree on is that they are being exploited, and for money. They are paid $1.66 a day to chant yagyas that the TM movement charges tens of thousands of dollars for. From: "steve.sun...@yahoo.com" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 1:40 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community, Bevan Morris Role Sort of sounds like you're building a pretty iron clad case. The reports I've seen indicate that most of the pundits seem happy with the arrangement. But I guess what you are saying that they are too brain washed to know otherwise. It sounds like a program would not serve your needs, but maybe it is working fine for the pundits and their families who participate. On the other hand, it sounds like you're saying the brainwashing has been so thorough that they have no choice. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Just following up on your apologetics, Lawson, if you persist in saying that the 20+ year old pandits in America are free to make their own legal decisions, I suggest that you are ignoring two important issues: 1. Many of them have been "in the program" and behind barbed wire since they were minors as young as 8, and thus incapable of making any legal decisions about whether they want to be there or not. Yes, they had to be at least 20 to sign the TMO slave contracts for the US, but they were too young to legally agree before that. After having been indoctrinated in TM compounds for ten years or more, it's understandable that many of them can no longer imagine any other life, and thus signed whatever was put in front of them for the prospect of a few more rupees and a few more bowls of curry per day. 2. You completely ignore the influence of family on these poor guys. I've worked with many Indian programmers over the years, and have seen at least two dozen of them *forced* by their parents to return to India and marry some woman they'd never met. Yes, "arranged marriages" are still the norm. When asked by me WHY they'd submit to this, they all replied the same: "Family." Their families would disown them if they ever did something they weren't told to do, which in India carries as much of a social stigma as it does in Japan. The pandit boys are *trapped* in their positions, unable to leave them because to do so would make them social outcasts for the rest of their lives. Now back to the money. You've talked about how much John Hagelin makes to be a shill for the TM movement. How much do YOU make to "argue on the Internet" incessantly and be pretty much a full-time apologist for the TM movement? Doesn't it ever occur to you that you're as brainwashed as the pandit boys? From: TurquoiseBee To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 7:27 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community, Bevan Morris Role Meanwhile you're still lying about the pandits, and pretending that they get paid $200 per month. They do not. They get paid $50 a month, with the other $150 going to the parents who sold them into this program in the first place. They never see a penny of it. Therefore they are paid $1.66 per day, not $6.60 as you claim. Meanwhile, by your own figures below, John Hagelin is paid $438 per day. From: "LEnglish5@..." To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 7:16 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community, Bevan Morris Role John Haglein is now "Raja" John Hagelin, in charge of the TMO for North America. I was arguing with someone in reddit.com about TM finances and looked at the IRS form 990 records for various TM-related organizations. John is paid $37,000 as President of the DLF. He gets another $36,000 for Global Country of World Peace activities. He gets $87,000 as Trustee and director of the Insitute for Science, etchnology and public policy at MUM. By far, he's the highest-paid TMer in North America. I haven't looked into what he is paid or not as Raja -usually that is a non-compensated position, as you have to pay (or get someone to pay for you) $1 million for the post. L
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community, Bevan Morris Role
It's being a total cultist to claim that they *are* getting $200. They are getting $50 per month. That is the only money they will ever see, if they ever even see that, except as "credits" at the "company store." The other $150 goes to the parents who sold them into this program when they were young. Nothing you can ever say can spin this otherwise. It's shameful of you to even try. From: "authfri...@yahoo.com" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 2:26 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community, Bevan Morris Role The pandits get paid $200 per month. Lawson isn't "lying" or "pretending." The families wouldn't be receiving $150 per month if their sons weren't earning it, and it's sophistry to claim otherwise. Meanwhile you're still lying about the pandits, and pretending that they get paid $200 per month. They do not. They get paid $50 a month, with the other $150 going to the parents who sold them into this program in the first place. They never see a penny of it. Therefore they are paid $1.66 per day, not $6.60 as you claim.
[FairfieldLife] Living the boheminan life in Paris -- a TIME photo essay from 1960
I'm just passing this along for whomever might appreciate it. These photos bring up strong memories for me, of my first trip to Paris, in that year. I was 15, and traveling there with my parents and two younger brothers. The little hotel we stayed in had tiny rooms, so my two younger brothers were in a larger room with my parents, while I had my own room. Every night during our week there I would say goodnight like a dutiful son at 9 or 10 PM and retire to my room. Then I'd climb out the window, go down the fire escape, and spend the rest of the night in cafes and scenes just like this, usually coming home to grab a couple of hours of sleep just before dawn. I'm pretty sure that I hung a few times at the La Contrescarpe cafe mentioned in the article. It was a formative experience. Nice to be reminded of it... http://www.messynessychic.com/2014/03/21/art-students-1960s-paris/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why some people are REALLY bothered by others who might feel special
From: Share Long To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 3:55 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why some people are REALLY bothered by others who might feel special Judy, sinking to a new low, wrote about people she has had zero contact with: For all we know, his "family" approves of and encourages his despicable behavior on FFL...Maybe Barry wouldn't live with them if they weren't as rotten as he is. My family is more understanding. They've seen some of the posts that Judy Stein writes, and their only comment has been, "Why do you waste any time with that psychotic cult bitch?" And they've got a point. :--)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why some here complain about meditation programs they don't practice
From: Richard J. Williams To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 3:49 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why some here complain about meditation programs they don't practice Apparently by law, the pundits are allowed to only work part-time, twenty hours per week. I think we all know that Richard made this up, but even assuming it were true, that would mean that the pandits are paid less than 63 cents per hour for work that the TM movement charges its yagya clients thousands and tens of thousands of dollars for. So far, Richard, Lawson, and Judy seem to have NO PROBLEM with this, and continue to defend the organization that similarly seems to have NO PROBLEM with this. Can you say "Cultists"? I think you can.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why some here complain about meditation programs they don't practice
We're waiting for you to rush in and "correct" my math, and point out that it was based on being paid $50 per month, and not the $200 you "know" it really is, and that therefore they're being paid a generous $2.50 per hour, and that you're perfectly OK with that, while the TMO charges tens of thousands of dollars for their work. I'm gonna stick with the point you're trying to D-E-F-L-E-C-T, and stand on "Cultist." :-) From: "authfri...@yahoo.com" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 4:33 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why some here complain about meditation programs they don't practice But if you did say "Cultists," you'd be wrong, of course. Apparently by law, the pundits are allowed to only work part-time, twenty hours per week. I think we all know that Richard made this up, but even assuming it were true, that would mean that the pandits are paid less than 63 cents per hour for work that the TM movement charges its yagya clients thousands and tens of thousands of dollars for. So far, Richard, Lawson, and Judy seem to have NO PROBLEM with this, and continue to defend the organization that similarly seems to have NO PROBLEM with this. Can you say "Cultists"? I think you can.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community, Bevan Morris Role
pees and a few more bowls of curry per day. 2. You completely ignore the influence of family on these poor guys. I've worked with many Indian programmers over the years, and have seen at least two dozen of them *forced* by their parents to return to India and marry some woman they'd never met. Yes, "arranged marriages" are still the norm. When asked by me WHY they'd submit to this, they all replied the same: "Family." Their families would disown them if they ever did something they weren't told to do, which in India carries as much of a social stigma as it does in Japan. The pandit boys are *trapped* in their positions, unable to leave them because to do so would make them social outcasts for the rest of their lives. Now back to the money. You've talked about how much John Hagelin makes to be a shill for the TM movement. How much do YOU make to "argue on the Internet" incessantly and be pretty much a full-time apologist for the TM movement? Doesn't it ever occur to you that you're as brainwashed as the pandit boys? From: TurquoiseBee To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 7:27 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community, Bevan Morris Role Meanwhile you're still lying about the pandits, and pretending that they get paid $200 per month. They do not. They get paid $50 a month, with the other $150 going to the parents who sold them into this program in the first place. They never see a penny of it. Therefore they are paid $1.66 per day, not $6.60 as you claim. Meanwhile, by your own figures below, John Hagelin is paid $438 per day. From: "LEnglish5@..." To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 7:16 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Hurt Community, Bevan Morris Role John Haglein is now "Raja" John Hagelin, in charge of the TMO for North America. I was arguing with someone in reddit.com about TM finances and looked at the IRS form 990 records for various TM-related organizations. John is paid $37,000 as President of the DLF. He gets another $36,000 for Global Country of World Peace activities. He gets $87,000 as Trustee and director of the Insitute for Science, etchnology and public policy at MUM. By far, he's the highest-paid TMer in North America. I haven't looked into what he is paid or not as Raja -usually that is a non-compensated position, as you have to pay (or get someone to pay for you) $1 million for the post. L
[FairfieldLife] Absolutely adorable video
This guy has just become the most adored husband on the Internet. http://digg.com/video/adorable-time-lapse-of-pregnancy-is-also-a-man-playing-a-song-to-his-wife
[FairfieldLife] A nice, quiet, meditative Saturday ride in the country for you
What it's like to be a motorcycle racer, for those of you who wondered: http://digg.com/video/tt-2013-on-bike-lap-michael-dunlop-supersport-race-2-lap-3
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why some people are REALLY bothered by others who might feel special
From: "steve.sun...@yahoo.com" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2014 3:12 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why some people are REALLY bothered by others who might feel special Enjoy Judy, Enjoy. Find something positive to focus on. Take a break from the Barry battles. Pet a kitty, drink some tea. Count your blessings. Something. Maybe stop trying to demonstrate that she's exactly the thing she's got her panties in a twist about, a "psychotic cult bitch." :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Oh! Clever! Stinging! Such impressive comebacks! (Is that really the best you can do, or are you just extra-tired this evening? Oh, and what's a "heather perspective"? I'm sure that was a brilliant crack, but I'm afraid it went right under my head.) Or, maybe, others (i.e., you and Share) have difficulty "grokking" things that I'm able to put into perspective. Judy, this is a precious part of your narrative, and I'd never want to take it away from you. >>Pulling that thread out.., well I don't even want to go there. >> >> >>In any case, Feebs, you're in good company. Share is also clueless as to what >>that was about (even though she was the one to set it off). >>If you were able to step back from things, take in a little bigger view, I >>think you'd gain a different, dare I say heather, perspective >> >> >>Now, come on, let's see some of what you feel are your cleverest, very MOST >>stinging ripostes. Don't just leave Share there with her bare face hanging >>out. >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Share, you are decidedly right. It was a completely weird reaction on the >>part of Judy. Sort of scary really. I have to say, I don't really >>understand it. Although I never really use this expression, I think she has >>difficulty "grokking" things that others are able to put in perspective. >> >> >>---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : >> >> >>Judy and Ann, I was attempting to make light about all this rather than point >>out how ridiculous Judy is being. But since that didn't suffice, I will >>elaborate. >> >>First of all, she called turq's pronouncement "proof!" Duh! Are we at a >>research lab?! And even if we were, does one scientific experiment prove >>anything?! >> >>Or are we to think that his entire family, including young Maya, stand around >>and recite the offending teef phrase on a regular basis?! >> >>In any case, it sounded to me like they were encouraging turq to leave FFL or >>at least stop engaging with her. >> >>Last but not least, Judy says she was "gratified" that her speculation about turq's family was right. Her speculation having been that they, in her words, approve of and encourage his despicable behavior on FFL; and that they are as "rotten" as he is. >> >>What kind of person is gratified by this kind of conclusion about people?! >>Can you say: desperate to win no matter what and thus imo unbalanced? >> >>BTW, Judy, in case it's not clear, this is my acknowledgement. >> >> >> >> >> >> >>On Saturday, March 22, 2014 8:54 AM, "authfriend@..." wrote: >> >> >>Certainly not. We don't want to obscure the fact--revealed by Barry >>himself--that I was right: Barry's "family" does approve of and encourage his >>despicable behavior on FFL. >> >> >>This actually surprised me. I had voiced that speculation merely to point out >>to Share that she had no basis for declaring that his "family" was "nice," >>and that Barry must be "nice" too or his "family" wouldn't want him to live >>with them. >> >> >>I hadn't thought there was any evidence for either her speculation or mine, >>so I was startled (but gratified!) when Barry handily supplied the evidence >>for my speculation (even if he didn't quite realize that's what he was doing). >> >> >>Share now needs to acknowledge that she was wrong about her "nice" >>speculation, and to withdraw her characterization of mine as "sinking to a >>new low," since it has turned out to be the correct one. >> >> >> >> >>And please, let us not confuse teef with teff! >> >> >>God lord no! >>Definition of TEFF >>: an economically important Ethiopian annual cereal grass (Eragrostis tef >>syn. E. abyssinica) grown for its small grain which yields a white flour and >>as a forage and hay crop >>Judy, sinking to a new low, wrote about people she has had zero contact with: >>For all we know, his "family" approves of and encourages his despicable behavior on FFL...Maybe Barry wouldn't live with them if they weren't as rotten as he is. >> >> >>My family is more understanding. They've seen some of the posts that Judy >>Stein writes, and their only comment has been, "Why do you waste any time >>with that psychotic cult bitch?" And they've got a point. :--) >> >> >>If you think "they've got a point" then why have you spent 18 years involving >>yourself with Judy? I guess you don't think it's a waste of time or you just >>can't help yourself. BTW, how do you say "psychotic cult bitch
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is there much of any truth to Counter-Revolutionary poison?
Thanks for filling in the blanks, Michael. I had much the same reaction to Lawson's paranoia-filled post that you seem to have had. He actually sounds *afraid* of the "massive 26 members," which we now know to be one woman and a few other concerned parents and teachers. He's afraid, even though they're "armed" with nothing but the truth about what the mantras mean and what the words in the puja mean. And probably a little truth about Rajas and their gold crowns and long robes and one-million-dollar-a-head "qualifications" for that title. When told these things, especially in the face of the evasions and BS they get from the TM teachers when they confront them with what they've been told, the other parents and the teachers make the right decision US Constitution-wise, and boot the stealth religion out of their schools. If TM were really so great, the TM organization wouldn't have to lie to sell it. From: Michael Jackson To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2014 3:45 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is there much of any truth to Counter-Revolutionary poison? Oh, and there is no attempt to "sabotage" any and all Quiet Time schools. Isn't it interesting that you characterize them as "Quiet Time schools" rather than schools where quiet time program has been implemented? I became aware of one woman who started the facebook page you mention. She got a permission slip from her son's school asking her to sign to allow her son to participate in the Quiet Time program. She wanted to know more since there was really no clear description of the program. When she learned it was TM with its Hindu underpinnings, replete with secret mantras, Sanskrit puja and a pic of a Hindu guru for the kids to bow to, she became concerned that the practice was violating the no religion in public school barrier. As she looker further at the TMO's marketing of TM related "programs" she became more alarmed especially after receiving evasive and circular answers from the TM people about her concerns. She then began to lobby to get the program removed from her son's school. At the end of it, the school principal informed her that at their school, the teachers collectively had a say in what extracurricular programs were offered there. So after her speaking to the school board and having other parents express their concerns as well, the teachers themselves voted to give the TMO the boot. The teachers at this school did it, mind you, not the school board or the principle. Subsequently this lady called all the other schools that were listed by the Lynch Foundation as having Quiet Time. Two schools still have it, but at least two others have given the TMO the heave ho. I asked if she knew why they had been kicked out and she told me she was so relieved to hear they were gone she didn't think to ask. But she did say this: "Each time, I heard a pretty emphatic "not here and not anymore". Now this brings up an opportunity for folks to examine what they believe about the effect of TM in the world. On one hand we have the TMO with all its advertising and celebrity endorsements of TM, you have the effect of supposedly thousands of people practicing TMSP in groups. The effects of pundits doing TMSP and yagyas, a supposedly burgeoning number of new TM meditators all of whom are not only doing TM and TMSP and yagyas but hoping and desiring to have TM taught universally. On the other hand, we have one woman with a desire for transparency and her own determination who got TM kicked out of one school added at least 2 other schools where Lynch and the TMO had already been kicked out. What can we surmise about this? Is this one woman loaded with money and paid the school staff to kick the TMO out? No. Is she a particularly powerful rakshasa who did evil magic to get rid of the TMO? Not likely. So how did one determined woman win over a huge moneyed organization backed by celebrities, yagyas and the Marshy Effect? Answer - the TMO is full of it, and the Marshy Effect doesn't exist, nor do yagyas work particularly well. And people say one woman can't make a difference! As to my participation, I merely wished this lady well, told her a little of what I know the TMO is like and directed her to Marshy's own words quoted in the original edition of Hermit in House about mantras being the names of gods and Marshy's likening TM to prayer in his little book the Meditations of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. And that was it. On Sun, 3/23/14, lengli...@cox.net wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is there much of any truth to Counter-Revolutionary poison? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, March 23, 2014, 6:31 AM There's a huge concerted effort (by the massive 26 members) to attempt to sabatoge any and all QUiet Time Schools in San Francisco. Mjackson is apparently a member. https://w
Re: [FairfieldLife] Ejecting Quiet time meditation from our public schools
From: Michael Jackson To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2014 4:26 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Ejecting Quiet time meditation from our public schools Like I've said before David, you can get you a battered old brass lamp from any flea market, rub it and rub it and rub it all the while chanting "I wish Cotton was a money!, I wish Cotton was a monkey!" but Cotton ain't never gone turn into a monkey, nor will saying its so give TM and ESPECIALLY TMSP in groups ANY scientific credibility. The main "science" behind TM and TMSP is "Believe cuz we say it." It is worth remembering -- when thinking of TM getting thrown out of schools it had weaseled its way into under false pretenses -- Thomas Jefferson's quote adorning the rotunda of the Jefferson Memorial: "I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." These words were written in a letter to Dr. Benjamin Rush in 1800, and the particular "tyranny" that Jefferson was referring to was an attempt to similarly sneak religion (in that case, a form of Protestant Christianity) into a school system. Jefferson and others kicked *it* out of the schools as well. On Sun, 3/23/14, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Ejecting Quiet time meditation from our public schools To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, March 23, 2014, 3:00 PM I worry for a future Quiet-time-transcending-Meditation-Gap that America is going to suffer because of these idiot cultist christians if we as Americans cannot keep up with the Chinese, Japanese and others all around the Pacific rim who are adopting transcending meditation in to their economies for their students on good scientific grounds. -Buck punditster writes: On 3/23/2014 1:31 AM, LEnglish5 wrote: There's a huge concerted effort (by the massive 26 members) to attemptto sabotage any and all QUiet Time Schools in San Francisco. Mjacksonis apparently a member. https://www.facebook.com/pages/SF-Parents-Against-TM-in-Public-Schools/201123776750702 In case you didn't know, M. Jackson is apparently working for John Knapp at TM-Free.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Violet and Daisy mini movie review
From: Bhairitu To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2014 5:16 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Violet and Daisy mini movie review On 03/23/2014 05:15 AM, turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote: >---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : > > > >You might want to check out the CW series "The 100" which debuted this last >week. Usually CW, whose target audience is younger, has some fairly >adolescent shows and of course the central characters in this one are older >teens. The premise is that there was an apocalyptic nuclear war on earth and >a small number of people escaped to a space station. Now that they feel the >earth is safe they send a group of 100 teens to the planet. But there is >really another reason they were sent... ;-) > >Dumbest and least interesting TV show I may have ever seen in my life. > I suspect you didn't watch it through to the end. Like I said the target market is teens. I watched it all. The strength of my review was wrath at having had an hour taken from me that I can never get back. :-) I probably watch show for a different reason than you. I want to see what they are telegraphing to audiences. It's actually playing well for a selective audience on a home theater forum I'm on. That is probably why I hated it so much. If the "Young Adult" audience of America is dumb enough to like this, I fear for the country's future. They are treading into areas such as "Utopia" did, speaking of which it will be interesting to see how HBO kills that remake. It also treaded a bit into "Logan's Run" territory. ;-) "Retread" is more like it. There was not an original idea in the whole hour.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Violet and Daisy mini movie review
From: Bhairitu To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2014 5:24 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Violet and Daisy mini movie review BTW, the second season of "Line of Duty", all episodes, is now available in the US on HuluPlus. That's just a little over a month after it played in the UK. Now THAT is a good series. Compelling from start to finish, with excellent characterization *and* plot. It is very, very, very rare that a writer of crime / conspiracy plots can keep me hanging until the very end of the series without having figured everything out, but Jed Mercurio did. I think Keeley Hawes is already considered to have a lock on a BAFTA nomination for her work in it, and Mercurio himself will almost certainly be nominated again himself as writer/creator. BTW, not to prolong my dumping on "The 100" but to explain further, it's not that I dislike "Young Adult" movies and TV made from popular YA novels as a whole. Yes, the "Twilight" series sucked dead dogs, but I actually enjoyed many parts of the "Hunger Games" series. It's just that this one was a retread of old 1960s SciFi ideas packaged so as to appeal to a drugged-out, energy drink-swilling, not-terribly-bright YA audience. I choose not to be one of them. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC
From: "steve.sun...@yahoo.com" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2014 11:08 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC Easy Doc, don't take the inactivity personally. People may just not be that interested in hearing the enlightened narrative..again, and again, and again. That, plus the hideous amounts of self-importance of these people expecting others to be hanging off their every word. It was like the whole lot of them expected to be treated as special just because they had some subjective experience they thought was special.
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Just to follow up, I honestly think that the whole problem with the BATGAP forum (not to mention the whole narcissistic subculture that has grown up around people having "awakening" experiences) is because of the cultural "career path" presented to them by traditional spiritual paths. The way this "career path" works -- according to the models they've been presented since Day One of their involvement with traditional spiritual teachings -- is that you "pay your dues" as a seeker, and finally "attain" enlightenment. At that point, the world *owes* you reverence as the "teacher" you've become. So they expect people to *treat* them like spiritual teachers, and sit back and listen to anything they say, the *same way they did* with their spiritual teachers. When it doesn't happen -- as when Jimbo and others tried it on FFL -- the "newly awakened tend to get angry and lash out, and after a while they move on to forums where people DO treat them the way they *expect* to be treated -- as people with valuable things to say, just because they've had (or claim to have had) some minor realization or awakening experience. Naturally these "easy audience" forums turn out to be pretty much as boring as a bunch of people sitting around in a room and murmuring "Yes, Master, that's so wise," or "Boy, you sure nailed that one, bro." I don't think it's necessarily their *fault* that most of the New Age Newly Awakened fall into this ego-trap and start trying to talk as if they were teachers now and that anyone listening to them 1) by definition is lower than them unless they claim to be "awakened" too, and 2) *have* to listen, and be properly thankful, because they are being lectured to by the Laws Of Nature, now manifest in the newly-awakened. They just run this number because they've seen it run on *them* so many times by people who *they* toadyed up to because *they* claimed to be enlightened. The problem is in the model, IMO. Awakenings are a dime a dozen. None of them confer upon the person having them any kind of "wisdom" or "knowledge" that then can or should be "taught" to others. The others don't owe them diddley-squat, much less their rapt attention. So what happens to ALL of these "I'm awakened and I'm here to help you by talking about ME" forums I've ever seen spring up on the Internet is that they hold a fascination for a few people stuck in the traditional teacher model for a while, but pretty soon even they all wise up and go away, leaving the "awakened" talking to themselves. Which it then takes *them* some time to realize themselves, because after all they were talking *to* themselves, and *about* themselves* the whole time. :-) From: TurquoiseBee To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 6:14 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC From: "steve.sun...@yahoo.com" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2014 11:08 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC Easy Doc, don't take the inactivity personally. People may just not be that interested in hearing the enlightened narrative..again, and again, and again. That, plus the hideous amounts of self-importance of these people expecting others to be hanging off their every word. It was like the whole lot of them expected to be treated as special just because they had some subjective experience they thought was special.
[FairfieldLife] Reality, virtual
I love these things -- interactive ad panels that present a more interesting reality than reality... http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/03/23/incredible-bus-stop-ad_n_5017194.html?utm_hp_ref=uk
Re: [FairfieldLife] des moines register article today on the pandits
I guess I should comment, since I've been more vocal than usual about the latest TMO travesty. :-) 1. I'm pretty surprised that a reporter would not object to being presented only four older pandits as potential "interviewees." They were obviously cherry-picked by the MUM administration. Any real reporter would have said this explicitly in their article and demanded to be able to pick a few others at random. She obviously had Hindu interpreters there to allow her to do this. Why didn't she do it? 2. As others have noted, the "pandit compound" resembles a concentration camp more than anything else. 3. I was sorely disappointed that the reporter was so pussywhipped by the TMO spin machine that she either never heard of the "paid yagyas" or, if she did, didn't think they were worth mentioning. She *did* get that the pandits are really paid only $50, the rest of their nominal $200 being supposedly "held in trust" for their parents, but she didn't seem to get the enormous PROFIT that the TM movement is making off of these indentured servants' labor. They get paid 63 cents an hour for services that the TMO is charging thousands and tens of thousands of dollars for. The reporter seemed to have been snookered into believing that the only thing they were "chanting for" was world peace, not to "cure" the boil on some rich TMer's ass. Throughout the entire article, the reporter parroted the party line told to her by the MUM shills, and even quoted one source as believing that "no one is getting rich from this program," when that simply isn't true. Any time you can charge gullible cult followers tens of thousands of dollars to chant a "yagya" while paying them 63 cents an hour, somebody's getting rich. 4. I was also disappointed that the reporter wound up parroting what she was told about the whole program being run on "donated funds" when the organization running it has assets in excess of a billion dollars. Again, a real reporter would have done a little pre-research and then asked, "WHY are you asking for 'donations' to run this program if 1) it's so important to the world and 2) you already have more than enough money to fund it yourselves?" 5. I think it's good that she focused on the "human rights violation" issues, and the living conditions the pandits live and work under, but I don't think she went far enough in her "bottom line" closer. All in all, a first step. It's good that someone is taking notice, but next time they need to send in a real reporter... From: feste37 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2014 7:46 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] des moines register article today on the pandits http://www.desmoinesregister.com/comments/article/20140322/BASU/303220080/Maharishi-Vedic-City-Inside-compound-Rekha-Basu Main article: http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20140322/BASU/303220080/Maharishi-Vedic-City-Inside-compound-Rekha-Basu
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ejecting Quiet time meditation from our public schools
This is just cult hysteria and misdirection on Buck's part. Thomas Jefferson *was* a Christian, and he objected to *any* form of religious practice being added to the school systems of America because that violated the Constitution of the United States. Or possibly Buck believes that the "tyranny" referred to in Jefferson's famous quote below referred to rakshasas. :-) It didn't...it referred to a group of Christians who were trying to sneak their practices into a school system, just as the TMO is. "I have sworn upon the altar of god eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." I am very much not a Christian, but I would object similarly to any form of religion-based meditation being offered in public schools in America for the same reason -- it violates the Constitution. And there is simply no question that TM (as it is currently taught) is based in religion -- the mantras are the names (or nicknames, for the nitpickers) of Hindu gods, and Hindu gods and teachers are chanted to and bowed down to during the puja, without which *TM cannot be taught*. For similar reasons I would opposed any form of Buddhist meditation (including mindfulness) being taught in American public schools *if it included and demanded traditional Buddhist rituals as part of the teaching process*. If a technique can be *totally* divorced from its religious background, such that no invocation of or mention of the religious trappings are ever needed to learn and practice the technique, then I'd see no problem with such a technique being taught in schools. But TM does NOT fit that criterion. Never has, never will. This was decided in the courts w.r.t. TM decades ago. From: Michael Jackson To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 12:02 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ejecting Quiet time meditation from our public schools why do you assume she is a Christian? How do you know she isn't a Buddhist? or an agnostic? When people find out about the seamy underbelly of the TMO they object to their kids being exposed to it on the basis of decency and common sense - what parent would deliberately want their children influenced by the likes of the leaders of the TMO and an organization that lionizes the likes of Russell Brand? On Mon, 3/24/14, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ejecting Quiet time meditation from our public schools To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, March 24, 2014, 3:30 AM I feel it is a bad thing when a few christian nuts could derail professional educators from employing meditation a quiet time in schools as part of educational design. It defies good science with their religious non-sense. -Buck Yep, it is true a quiet-time Gap in education evidently is opening even with developing nations in Central and South America too. This is not good at all for us North Americans. This bigoted ignorance of a few overly religious people against good public education puts us all once again in an extremely bad competitive position in the world economies. These anti-science religious nuts are being extremely dangerous to everyone in opposing quiet-time meditation in schools. -Buck Yes, I worry for a future Quiet-time-transcending-Meditation-Gap that America is going to suffer because of these idiot cultist christians if we as Americans cannot keep up with the Chinese, Japanese and others all around the Pacific rim who are adopting transcending meditation in to their economies for their students on good scientific grounds.-Buck awoelflebater writes: I have to sort of agree with you on this subject regarding this one mother who objected to TM because of the "danger" that it might be based in some sort of religion. She sounds narrow minded and fearful to me. I think a few minutes of TM quiet time for most schools would be beneficial. It might actually get these kids off their phones for a whole 20 minutes. I don't applaud this woman, I think there are millions out there exactly like her - unimaginative, unexposed to much beyond white bread American values and otherwise stuck in the mud. I'll go further to conjecture she's a middle class Republican. punditster writes: On 3/23/2014 1:31 AM, LEnglish5 wrote: There's a huge concerted effort (by the massive 26 members) to attemptto sabotage any and all QUiet Time Schools in San Francisco. Mjacksonis apparently a member. https://www.facebook.com/pages/SF-Parents-Against-TM-in-Public-Schools/201123776750702 In case you didn't know, M. Jackson is apparently working for John Knapp at TM-Free..
[FairfieldLife] Magic tricks for dogs
Doug Henning once did something similar with a cat who'd wandered into our apartment when he was there. The cat was unimpressed enough that he walked over to Doug's shoes (left by the door) and attempted to pee on them. :-) http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/03/24/dogs-magic-trick_n_5020177.html?utm_hp_ref=uk
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I wouldn't say that, Jimbo. After all, it took me to point out that the quote you read here attributed to Deepak Chopra, and which you thought was so wise, was really written by a robot program that does nothing more than string together buzzwords and phrases from his previous tweets and writings, at random. Seems to me that's quite a failing in someone who claims to be "enlightened." But don't worry...I won't charge you anything for teaching you this. It's just what those of us who can tell shit from shinola do for those who...uh...can't. :-) From: "doctordumb...@rocketmail.com" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 1:52 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC No worries. I have nothing to learn from you.:-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Just to follow up, I honestly think that the whole problem with the BATGAP forum (not to mention the whole narcissistic subculture that has grown up around people having "awakening" experiences) is because of the cultural "career path" presented to them by traditional spiritual paths. The way this "career path" works -- according to the models they've been presented since Day One of their involvement with traditional spiritual teachings -- is that you "pay your dues" as a seeker, and finally "attain" enlightenment. At that point, the world *owes* you reverence as the "teacher" you've become. So they expect people to *treat* them like spiritual teachers, and sit back and listen to anything they say, the *same way they did* with their spiritual teachers. When it doesn't happen -- as when Jimbo and others tried it on FFL -- the "newly awakened tend to get angry and lash out, and after a while they move on to forums where people DO treat them the way they *expect* to be treated -- as people with valuable things to say, just because they've had (or claim to have had) some minor realization or awakening experience. Naturally these "easy audience" forums turn out to be pretty much as boring as a bunch of people sitting around in a room and murmuring "Yes, Master, that's so wise," or "Boy, you sure nailed that one, bro." I don't think it's necessarily their *fault* that most of the New Age Newly Awakened fall into this ego-trap and start trying to talk as if they were teachers now and that anyone listening to them 1) by definition is lower than them unless they claim to be "awakened" too, and 2) *have* to listen, and be properly thankful, because they are being lectured to by the Laws Of Nature, now manifest in the newly-awakened. They just run this number because they've seen it run on *them* so many times by people who *they* toadyed up to because *they* claimed to be enlightened. The problem is in the model, IMO. Awakenings are a dime a dozen. None of them confer upon the person having them any kind of "wisdom" or "knowledge" that then can or should be "taught" to others. The others don't owe them diddley-squat, much less their rapt attention. So what happens to ALL of these "I'm awakened and I'm here to help you by talking about ME" forums I've ever seen spring up on the Internet is that they hold a fascination for a few people stuck in the traditional teacher model for a while, but pretty soon even they all wise up and go away, leaving the "awakened" talking to themselves. Which it then takes *them* some time to realize themselves, because after all they were talking *to* themselves, and *about* themselves* the whole time. :-) From: TurquoiseBee To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 6:14 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC From: "steve.sundur@..." To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2014 11:08 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC Easy Doc, don't take the inactivity personally. People may just not be that interested in hearing the enlightened narrative..again, and again, and again. That, plus the hideous amounts of self-importance of these people expecting others to be hanging off their every word. It was like the whole lot of them expected to be treated as special just because they had some subjective experience they thought was special.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC
Yeah, Xeno. You're only in Cosmic Consciousness, whereas Jimbo is SO much more enlightened than that. You have a long, long way to go before YOU can't tell a real Deepak Chopra quote from one written by a computer robot stringing BS phrases together at random. Aren't you happy to learn that you've got so much to look forward to once you "flower fully" the way Jimbo has? :-) :-) :-) And remember, this is the same guy who once said that Buddha (who didn't believe in a God) once taught that "God is love." SO much to look forward to once you get over that puny CC stuff and become as highly evolved as he is. :-) :-) :-) From: "doctordumb...@rocketmail.com" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 2:15 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC Of course it fucking runs out of steam, dude. It is a comparison. Once the comparison is integrated, there is no more left to say. However there are several subjective experiences of enlightenment, each more full than the last. So, until we are discussing the relative merits of Brahman, there is plenty to clarify and discuss. Your current experience of enlightenment, Cosmic Consciousness, has a long way to go, before flowering fully. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : The enlightened narrative runs out of steam after a certain point, it's like the standard musical form A B A. A = ordinary life & B = spiritual path. The part everyone gets hopped up about is B. If you get really good at playing the tune suddenly you find once again your at A. I think it's worth it, but only because in returning to A you now know there are no alternatives to A. It's a good idea to finish the song, and not get stuck in the middle. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : you could always go the blog route. you've got a catchy handle Doctor Dumbass and Higher States of Consciousness. nah. Doctor Dumbass and the Road to Bliss. definitely nah Doctor Dumbass's Fireside Chats. uh, maybe Doctor Dumbass: To Brahman and Beyond!. You know, a play on BuzzLightYear Just an idea. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Easy Doc, don't take the inactivity personally. People may just not be that interested in hearing the enlightened narrative..again, and again, and again. but hell, it had legs for a while (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : oh shit, I forgot - spiritual development IS a popularity contest! Thanks Share and seventh. Great reminder. Where would we be without people like you? >
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On the other hand, Doc, *I* am not the one staying up till after 4 AM obsessing on a person he claims to be "worried about" and trying to insult him, all while claiming to be enlightened. *I* am not the one acting out his jealousy when someone pays attention to people he disagrees with on this forum. And *I* am not the one in pretty much constant "reaction mode" any time someone challenges his ostensible spiritual teacher, while claiming to be beyond attachment. If you don't mind, I'll keep coming back to that "claiming to be enlightened" thang when addressing the pity I feel for YOU. For example, how's your marriage doing, you who are so keen to paint me with the brush of "emotional issues?" We haven't heard much about your wife lately. Is she still your wife? Or are you roaming around the country in your trailer because you've got no home to go home to? And how's it *going* for you, posing as enlightened and all? I've offered you many, many chances to *see* how it's going, by simply asking the people here on Fairfield Life to weigh in and say whether they believe that you're enlightened. So far, I don't think you have, and I don't think anyone has stepped up to the plate on their own. Don't you think that's a little odd, for someone who is as established in BC (I think the 'B' stands for either Brahman or Bullshit...not sure) as you are? Isn't it about time for another bunch of machine-generated bullshit quotes from you to "prove" how much more evolved you are than the other people here, especially the ones you don't like? And while we're at it, what's up with that not liking people, coming from someone who theoretically views them as Self? Jimbo, NO ONE believes you're enlightened. They kinda feel sorry for you that you have to go around claiming that you are. The day you realize and acknowledge this, you might have finally evolved to the level of a normal human being. From: "doctordumb...@rocketmail.com" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 2:34 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC Your bitterness and lack of spiritual progress are ugly things for me to see, Barry. I honestly feel sorry for you. To try and make points with your perceived audience, by twisting my words, is such a petty and small minded thing to indulge in. Ask yourself if it *honestly* makes you feel better, to do this? I don't think so. Anyway, a toxic diet can become a habit - just as a warning to you. Your words, since they are not accurate, have no personal impact on me. But your attitude is truly worrisome, and I *hate* to see someone as old as you are, becoming so delighted with the negative thoughts, that you feed on. Please, put *that* in your pipe, and smoke it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Yeah, Xeno. You're only in Cosmic Consciousness, whereas Jimbo is SO much more enlightened than that. You have a long, long way to go before YOU can't tell a real Deepak Chopra quote from one written by a computer robot stringing BS phrases together at random. Aren't you happy to learn that you've got so much to look forward to once you "flower fully" the way Jimbo has? :-) :-) :-) And remember, this is the same guy who once said that Buddha (who didn't believe in a God) once taught that "God is love." SO much to look forward to once you get over that puny CC stuff and become as highly evolved as he is. :-) :-) :-) From: "doctordumbass@..." To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 2:15 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC Of course it fucking runs out of steam, dude. It is a comparison. Once the comparison is integrated, there is no more left to say. However there are several subjective experiences of enlightenment, each more full than the last. So, until we are discussing the relative merits of Brahman, there is plenty to clarify and discuss. Your current experience of enlightenment, Cosmic Consciousness, has a long way to go, before flowering fully. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : The enlightened narrative runs out of steam after a certain point, it's like the standard musical form A B A. A = ordinary life & B = spiritual path. The part everyone gets hopped up about is B. If you get really good at playing the tune suddenly you find once again your at A. I think it's worth it, but only because in returning to A you now know there are no alternatives to A. It's a good idea to finish the song, and not get stuck in the middle. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : you could always go the blog route. you've got a catchy handle Doctor Dumbass and Higher States of Consciousness. nah. Doctor Dumbass and the Road to Bliss. definitely nah Doctor Dumbass's Fireside Chats. uh, maybe Doctor Dumbass: To Brahman and Beyon
Re: [FairfieldLife] Bill Goldstein in Des Moines Register on Pundits
Typical TM cult bullshit. I point out a few highlights: 1. When striving to increase compensation for the pandits, only one "solution" seems to be visible to Goldstein and the TMO -- ask people for more money: "Would it be nice if their compensation was greater? Certainly, and I know the Pandits would appreciate that too. Additional donations are being sought to enable this and are solely used towards that end when received." 2. While heading back to the email machines begging TMers for more money, there is no mention of the fact that the organization feeling that it has to pass off the costs of this program to its members is sitting on assets of over a billion dollars. 3. During this whole exercise in spin and distraction, the one thing that Goldstein and company have tried *most* to distract people from is that the pandits are a *profit-creating entity*. The TMO charges people thousands and tens of thousands of dollars for "Maharishi yagyas." No mention of this seems to be made in his "accounting." No mention of the obvious disparity in charging these fees while paying the people who do the work to provide them are paid 63 cents an hour and housed behind barbed wire has been made. Same old shuck 'n jive routine. Business as usual. What is saddest is that I'll bet their "donations" actually GO UP. That's how brainwashed TMers are. From: Rick Archer To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 4:30 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Bill Goldstein in Des Moines Register on Pundits Of Press and Pandits The quest for controversy often overshadows the quest for truth in today’s media. But in the process that is now following after the March 11 “Dust Up” in Vedic City, Iowa, reported by Rekha Basu in Sunday’s Register I trust the ensuing discussion will serve our public interest. So I thank Rekha Basu for making her first trip to our community in Vedic City, which has been established for 17 years and for beginning the overdue process of informing Iowa of what is going on in our unique piece of this great State. First, some facts. On Friday, I provided to Rekhu the budget on the Pandit project. She advised me that it was unfortunately too late to be included in the Sunday edition. So I summarize it now for you: • $14 million dollars to build the Pandit campus facilities, including the residences and common building — all of them modern, custom designed and built, modular units. • The monthly costs to operate the project, including stipends, wages, food, repair, maintenance, G and A, and Pandit travel to and from India, etc. averaged $600,000 per month in 2013. • All these costs are covered by donations from numerous benefactors to the non-profit 501c)3) educational organization that runs the project, for which I have served as counsel for the last 12 years. • The four years before the first Pandit arrived in the U.S. in 2007 were spent laying out the design of the program and facilities,in construction, on logistics and getting the necessary government approvals from the US State Department, USCIS and Indian authorities after numerous meetings, memos and discussions for which I earned many frequent flier miles. It would be nice if the facilities were grander, the stipends larger, and the weather warmer. And it would be nice, if unrealistic, to presume we could anticipate all the myriad challenges that such an unprecedented cultural exchange might engender. But after seven-and-a-half years, and considering the reasonable financial constraints and cross-cultural differences, I personally don’t think it fair to say we are doing badly. But that is for you to decide. The fact is that after 2,499 days of apparently non-newsworthy peace, one morning recently, a small minority of the Pandits on the campus behaved quite badly (it appears that about a dozen threw rocks) when they perceived that the Sheriff was taking away their leader and friend to jail for some unknown criminal act. The Sheriff was not, in fact, there for that purpose, but merely as a precaution to assist the administrators who were returning that individual to India for an internal administrative breach of his authority. But that was the group’s perception and their unfortunate reaction. The lesson: The Sheriff won’t be requested to assist in such a process in the future. We will do better next time and we thank Sheriff Morton for his exemplary and professional restraint. And those behaving badly have now been removed from the campus. The religious vocation (“Monk or Nun”) visa they have been issued by USCIS, which has been very carefully reviewed in each individual case by the State Department and USCIS prior to issuance (2,600 visas in all to date), strictly confines by its terms what the Pandit can do, where they can do it, and what the compensation is. They are only to engage, on a full-time basis, in their relig
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I thought the "enlightened" were beyond worry. From: "doctordumb...@rocketmail.com" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 5:12 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC You worry me, Barry. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : On the other hand, Doc, *I* am not the one staying up till after 4 AM obsessing on a person he claims to be "worried about" and trying to insult him, all while claiming to be enlightened. *I* am not the one acting out his jealousy when someone pays attention to people he disagrees with on this forum. And *I* am not the one in pretty much constant "reaction mode" any time someone challenges his ostensible spiritual teacher, while claiming to be beyond attachment. If you don't mind, I'll keep coming back to that "claiming to be enlightened" thang when addressing the pity I feel for YOU. For example, how's your marriage doing, you who are so keen to paint me with the brush of "emotional issues?" We haven't heard much about your wife lately. Is she still your wife? Or are you roaming around the country in your trailer because you've got no home to go home to? And how's it *going* for you, posing as enlightened and all? I've offered you many, many chances to *see* how it's going, by simply asking the people here on Fairfield Life to weigh in and say whether they believe that you're enlightened. So far, I don't think you have, and I don't think anyone has stepped up to the plate on their own. Don't you think that's a little odd, for someone who is as established in BC (I think the 'B' stands for either Brahman or Bullshit...not sure) as you are? Isn't it about time for another bunch of machine-generated bullshit quotes from you to "prove" how much more evolved you are than the other people here, especially the ones you don't like? And while we're at it, what's up with that not liking people, coming from someone who theoretically views them as Self? Jimbo, NO ONE believes you're enlightened. They kinda feel sorry for you that you have to go around claiming that you are. The day you realize and acknowledge this, you might have finally evolved to the level of a normal human being. From: "doctordumbass@..." To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 2:34 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC Your bitterness and lack of spiritual progress are ugly things for me to see, Barry. I honestly feel sorry for you. To try and make points with your perceived audience, by twisting my words, is such a petty and small minded thing to indulge in. Ask yourself if it *honestly* makes you feel better, to do this? I don't think so. Anyway, a toxic diet can become a habit - just as a warning to you. Your words, since they are not accurate, have no personal impact on me. But your attitude is truly worrisome, and I *hate* to see someone as old as you are, becoming so delighted with the negative thoughts, that you feed on. Please, put *that* in your pipe, and smoke it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Yeah, Xeno. You're only in Cosmic Consciousness, whereas Jimbo is SO much more enlightened than that. You have a long, long way to go before YOU can't tell a real Deepak Chopra quote from one written by a computer robot stringing BS phrases together at random. Aren't you happy to learn that you've got so much to look forward to once you "flower fully" the way Jimbo has? :-) :-) :-) And remember, this is the same guy who once said that Buddha (who didn't believe in a God) once taught that "God is love." SO much to look forward to once you get over that puny CC stuff and become as highly evolved as he is. :-) :-) :-) From: "doctordumbass@..." To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 2:15 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC Of course it fucking runs out of steam, dude. It is a comparison. Once the comparison is integrated, there is no more left to say. However there are several subjective experiences of enlightenment, each more full than the last. So, until we are discussing the relative merits of Brahman, there is plenty to clarify and discuss. Your current experience of enlightenment, Cosmic Consciousness, has a long way to go, before flowering fully. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : The enlightened narrative runs out of steam after a certain point, it's like the standard musical form A B A. A = ordinary life & B = spiritual path. The part everyone gets hopped up about is B. If you get really good at playing the tune suddenly you find once again your at A. I think it's worth it, but only because in returning to A you now know there are no alternatives to A. It's a good idea to finish the song, and not get stuc
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Jim, have you ever tried to imagine how YOU might appear to someone who doesn't buy you're "I'm enlightened" spiel? Which, last time I checked, was...wait for it...everybody? What would such a person -- again, pretty much everybody -- think of a guy who claims not only to be enlightened, but "more enlightened" than pretty much everyone he interacts with, but who also has no qualms about posing as a woman here on Fairfield Life for many months? What should such a person think about that guy never owning up to it, even though we have the written proof that "enlightened_dawn11" was you, because you posted a song copyrighted to Jim Flanegin under that alias? What could *motivate* a person to need to create an online identity (god, I *hope* it's only online) as an enlightened person, and attempt to maintain that image for years, while consistently acting like a real dick? Spin this for me, Jimbo. Explain to me how acting like a dick personifies the image of enlightenment you want to educate us about. From: "doctordumb...@rocketmail.com" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 5:25 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC lol - yeah, you think a lot of things. Might want to examine a few of those calcified ideas. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I thought the "enlightened" were beyond worry. From: "doctordumbass@..." To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 5:12 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC You worry me, Barry. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : On the other hand, Doc, *I* am not the one staying up till after 4 AM obsessing on a person he claims to be "worried about" and trying to insult him, all while claiming to be enlightened. *I* am not the one acting out his jealousy when someone pays attention to people he disagrees with on this forum. And *I* am not the one in pretty much constant "reaction mode" any time someone challenges his ostensible spiritual teacher, while claiming to be beyond attachment. If you don't mind, I'll keep coming back to that "claiming to be enlightened" thang when addressing the pity I feel for YOU. For example, how's your marriage doing, you who are so keen to paint me with the brush of "emotional issues?" We haven't heard much about your wife lately. Is she still your wife? Or are you roaming around the country in your trailer because you've got no home to go home to? And how's it *going* for you, posing as enlightened and all? I've offered you many, many chances to *see* how it's going, by simply asking the people here on Fairfield Life to weigh in and say whether they believe that you're enlightened. So far, I don't think you have, and I don't think anyone has stepped up to the plate on their own. Don't you think that's a little odd, for someone who is as established in BC (I think the 'B' stands for either Brahman or Bullshit...not sure) as you are? Isn't it about time for another bunch of machine-generated bullshit quotes from you to "prove" how much more evolved you are than the other people here, especially the ones you don't like? And while we're at it, what's up with that not liking people, coming from someone who theoretically views them as Self? Jimbo, NO ONE believes you're enlightened. They kinda feel sorry for you that you have to go around claiming that you are. The day you realize and acknowledge this, you might have finally evolved to the level of a normal human being. From: "doctordumbass@..." To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 2:34 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC Your bitterness and lack of spiritual progress are ugly things for me to see, Barry. I honestly feel sorry for you. To try and make points with your perceived audience, by twisting my words, is such a petty and small minded thing to indulge in. Ask yourself if it *honestly* makes you feel better, to do this? I don't think so. Anyway, a toxic diet can become a habit - just as a warning to you. Your words, since they are not accurate, have no personal impact on me. But your attitude is truly worrisome, and I *hate* to see someone as old as you are, becoming so delighted with the negative thoughts, that you feed on. Please, put *that* in your pipe, and smoke it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Yeah, Xeno. You're only in Cosmic Consciousness, whereas Jimbo is SO much more enlightened than that. You have a long, long way to go before YOU can't tell a real Deepak Chopra quote from one written by a computer robot stringing BS phrases together at random. Aren't you happy to learn that you've got so much to look forward to once you "flower fully" the way Jimbo has? :-) :-) :-) And rem
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ejecting Quiet time meditation from our public schools
From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 5:35 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ejecting Quiet time meditation from our public schools File under scientology and keep it out of schools. The bottom line. A perfect description of TM, and in only nine words.
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GREAT post. Only one comment, below. Uh...two comments, really. Loved the Chopra quotes. From: "anartax...@yahoo.com" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 5:59 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC I think the good doctor has made an error, I am not in 'Cosmic Consciousness'. I did have an experience like this over a third of a century ago. After learning TM, inner silence did grow pretty much according to the benchmark formula; it started to be evident after about 6 months. After five years or so it was extraordinarily strong. And then it vanished, and it never has returned. At the time, I thought I had fallen back to square one. It was a downer for sure. A dark era. Some people might call this the dark night of the soul, except I was never convinced there was such a thing as a soul. For the purpose of this post it would be good to assume I am solidly at square one. The good doctor made a mistake here. After so much time it is pretty clear that the experience of inner unbounded awareness is not going to flower. Very similar to my own experience, except that my periods of 'CC' didn't last years. And they "came and went" many times over the period of a number of years. Lately they don't "come" at all, but I don't miss them. "Inner unbounded awareness" is overrated in my book. We know, as the result of our CC experiences, that's it there already, whether we notice it or not. Therefore, if it seems to go away, that's just us not noticing it. What does it matter whether its in the foreground of our awareness or the background? I also think the doctor misread my meaning in my comments about the character of the process of enlightenment having the nature of the song form A B A. It is easy to have a different understanding of what someone says than the person who said it has, so there is no blame here. A, being in that post representing ordinary awareness, and B the spiritual path, I implied that B led to A. But it was not a comparison, in my mind (which is not the doctor's mind). Here is what I meant, but anyone is allowed to have a different interpretation. B, the spiritual path is not a reality, it is rather a set of ideas and practices that supposedly will get us to reality, or to a greater awareness of reality. It is thus that B not a truth, but a strategy. If the strategy works we find B is not really real. We find A is real. Thus B never really was real. There is no comparison here. I was implying that people get caught up in the spiritual path; after all we have all these religions floating about (and there is we posters here at FFL). B does not lead to A, it destroys B, and the idea that there was something beyond A. It is an auto destructor if you will. In other words B is the flowering of a contaminant in A, as we come to B via A. In pursuing B the contaminant is destroyed, or rather seen through, and you end up with A again, minus some mental flack. If B fails, we have a religious or spiritual nut on our hands. When my alleged CC experience ended, I was not back at A at all even though that is what I thought at the time. I was just at another level of delusion and rather miserable in it. My attention, which had been very inward for years, turned outward into the world. That is another story, but it is just a story. I was never implying that A and B integrate. But as the good doctor says there is plenty to clarify and discuss, exactly what are the 'relative merits' of Brahman? It appears I have plenty to look forward to. And if I am going to look forward, I have to have an idea of where forward is. Doc, what's next? I appreciate the mild support of TURQ and SHARE here, but it seems, based on comments from others on this forum, they are ill suited to lead me onward. I guess that just leaves you. Now I have gone over some of the things you have written about your enlightenment, and I admit that in my mind something seems missing from them, but that could be a egregious misunderstanding through fragmentary experience on my part. Wisdom of Chopra: "Death alleviates a symphony of mortality" "Good health undertakes precious balance" "Our consciousness projects onto total acceptance of facts" "Evolution is the wisdom of an expression of bliss" "The mind requires spontaneous love" "The unexplainable depends on the doorway to actions" "Emotional intelligence nurtures karmic possibilities" "Everything is inside dimensionless positivity" "Imagination gives rise to your own observations" "The future meditates on the expansion of creativity" "The web of life reflects pure truth" http://www.wisdomofchopra.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry's Chopra quote scam
From: Share Long To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 7:36 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry's Chopra quote scam Duh! Judy, I figured all along that the longer quote was actually from Chopra because it was so different from the short, generated quotes. I figured turq made a mistake. Even nice people make mistakes sometimes. Go figure! Turq made an assumption. Because the original quote was followed by the link to the 'bot site. But I don't feel bad about having poked Jim with this because 1) his reactivity and defensiveness -- especially as an "enlightened one" -- has been so much fun to watch, and 2) Jim is so dumb he wouldn't have been able to tell if it had been one of the shorter quotes.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry's Chopra quote scam
Might I remind people of the satirical prediction I made about how True Believers on this forum would react to all the uproar over the pundit riots? I did this in the following FFL post. Read through it, and then think back to what Judy, Ann, and Jim have been posting ever since. Judy's on bullet points 1, 5, and 6 currently. Can you say, "D-E-F-L-E-C-T"? I think you can. :-) https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/377151 From: "authfri...@yahoo.com" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 7:59 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry's Chopra quote scam But you weren't going to correct him, even though he keeps using the quote to demonize DoctorDumbass. Protect Barry at all costs, even if someone else gets unfairly slimed. Do your damndest to rescue poor Barrykins if he gets caught. Such integrity, Share. How much does that up your score in the FFL popularity contest, do you think? Do you think Barry will acknowledge his mistake? Will he apologize to DoctorD? Go figure indeed. Excuse me while I go throw up. Duh! Judy, I figured all along that the longer quote was actually from Chopra because it was so different from the short, generated quotes. I figured turq made a mistake. Even nice people make mistakes sometimes. Go figure! On Monday, March 24, 2014 1:30 PM, "authfriend@..." wrote: Well, whaddya know, Barry's been trying to pull a fast one on us with that Chopra quote all along. It wasn't generated by the robot program after all. It's a genuine Chopra quote from an audiotape he made called "Seeing Through the Mask of Matter." The whole tape is transcribed here: http://www.psychicjoystar.com/DeepakChopraMeditation.html Do a text search on the page for the quote: “You are not looking at the field in every wave and particle, the field is your extended body….you are a local concentration of information and energy in the wholeness that is the body of the universe.” So...you can make fun of the quote on its own terms if you like, but you can't make fun of DoctorDumbass for not knowing it was from the robot site, because it wasn't. Barry's been telling a whopping falsehood for the purpose of demonizing DoctorDumbass. Such a nice man, that Barry. Don't you think so, Share? That he finds the Chopra quote thing so decisive with regard to your state of consciousness is, to say the least, revealing of the...uh...depth of his self-knowledge. Seriously, I have nothing to learn from you. I find you badly out of touch with your emotions, and negatively compensating for a host of past issues. When you catch up to the present, I may listen, but I see no evidence of that ever happening. Dream on. I wouldn't say that, Jimbo. After all, it took me to point out that the quote you read here attributed to Deepak Chopra, and which you thought was so wise, was really written by a robot program that does nothing more than string together buzzwords and phrases from his previous tweets and writings, at random. Seems to me that's quite a failing in someone who claims to be "enlightened." But don't worry...I won't charge you anything for teaching you this. It's just what those of us who can tell shit from shinola do for those who...uh...can't. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry's Chopra quote scam
Poor Judy. Still stuck on bullet points 1, 5, and 6 of the classic TB cult response: 1. Shoot the messenger. Do anything you can to demonize the person or persons making the criticisms. Your goal here is to undermine their credibility and get other people on the forum to ignore what they're saying. 2. Call them liars. One of the best methods of sabotaging a critic's credibility is to pretend that he or she is a chronic liar. The lurking TBs you're trying to appeal to would rather believe that the critics *are* lying than believe the criticism anyway, so if you call them liars enough times, the TBs will stop listening to them. 3. Call them crazy. Speculate about the horrible things that happened to them in the past that made them this way. If you're of the Willytex persuasion, you can even make up crazy shit. All that's important is that a few fellow TBs see them as psychologically disturbed. 4. Nitpick them into arguing with you. Any nitpick will do, but the best is some kind of semantic nitpick about one or two words in something they posted that doesn't really have anything to do with the criticism you're trying to D-E-F-L-E-C-T. If you can get them -- or other posters -- all involved in a meaningless nitpick side argument that has nothing to do with the original criticism, they aren't involved in the criticism. You've won. 5. Trash their supporters. Anyone who says anything positive about the critics you're trying to silence is your enemy, and thus Fair Game. 6. Do all of these things while claiming that the criticism itself -- the thing that has your panties in a twist and halfway up your anal canal -- isn't what you're really responding to. From: "authfri...@yahoo.com" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 8:59 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry's Chopra quote scam And BTW, what does it make Salyavin to put the URL for the roboquote site under a genuine quote, as if that's where it came from? (So funny, he can't make himself write the word "mistake" when it applies to him.) Note that Barry couldn't tell whether it was a roboquote or a genuine Chopra quote. Even Share thought it was genuine (so she says, anyway). That makes Barry dumber than both DoctorDumbass and Share. Turq made an assumption. Because the original quote was followed by the link to the 'bot site. But I don't feel bad about having poked Jim with this because 1) his reactivity and defensiveness -- especially as an "enlightened one" -- has been so much fun to watch, and 2) Jim is so dumb he wouldn't have been able to tell if it had been one of the shorter quotes.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC
It *is* a viable question, n'est-ce pas? Especially for someone who seems to never tire of telling people how enlightened he is, and so perfectly in tune with the Laws Of Nature, and so much more highly evolved than anyone else here. My bet is that his wife tossed him out some months now, possibly before he "retired." But of course, as with any other direct question, he'll ignore it completely, pretend the question never existed, hoping that other people's memories are as sieve-like as his own, and that they'll forget the question was ever asked. He'll lay low for a while, and then start running the same act again. From: "steve.sun...@yahoo.com" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 2:43 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : For example, how's your marriage doing, you who are so keen to paint me with the brush of "emotional issues?" We haven't heard much about your wife lately. Is she still your wife? Father forgive me. I've wondered the same thing. Or are you roaming around the country in your trailer because you've got no home to go home to? And how's it *going* for you, posing as enlightened and all? I've offered you many, many chances to *see* how it's going, by simply asking the people here on Fairfield Life to weigh in and say whether they believe that you're enlightened. So far, I don't think you have, and I don't think anyone has stepped up to the plate on their own. Don't you think that's a little odd, for someone who is as established in BC (I think the 'B' stands for either Brahman or Bullshit...not sure) as you are? Isn't it about time for another bunch of machine-generated bullshit quotes from you to "prove" how much more evolved you are than the other people here, especially the ones you don't like? And while we're at it, what's up with that not liking people, coming from someone who theoretically views them as Self? Jimbo, NO ONE believes you're enlightened. They kinda feel sorry for you that you have to go around claiming that you are. The day you realize and acknowledge this, you might have finally evolved to the level of a normal human being. From: "doctordumbass@..." To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 2:34 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC Your bitterness and lack of spiritual progress are ugly things for me to see, Barry. I honestly feel sorry for you. To try and make points with your perceived audience, by twisting my words, is such a petty and small minded thing to indulge in. Ask yourself if it *honestly* makes you feel better, to do this? I don't think so. Anyway, a toxic diet can become a habit - just as a warning to you. Your words, since they are not accurate, have no personal impact on me. But your attitude is truly worrisome, and I *hate* to see someone as old as you are, becoming so delighted with the negative thoughts, that you feed on. Please, put *that* in your pipe, and smoke it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Yeah, Xeno. You're only in Cosmic Consciousness, whereas Jimbo is SO much more enlightened than that. You have a long, long way to go before YOU can't tell a real Deepak Chopra quote from one written by a computer robot stringing BS phrases together at random. Aren't you happy to learn that you've got so much to look forward to once you "flower fully" the way Jimbo has? :-) :-) :-) And remember, this is the same guy who once said that Buddha (who didn't believe in a God) once taught that "God is love." SO much to look forward to once you get over that puny CC stuff and become as highly evolved as he is. :-) :-) :-) From: "doctordumbass@..." To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 2:15 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC Of course it fucking runs out of steam, dude. It is a comparison. Once the comparison is integrated, there is no more left to say. However there are several subjective experiences of enlightenment, each more full than the last. So, until we are discussing the relative merits of Brahman, there is plenty to clarify and discuss. Your current experience of enlightenment, Cosmic Consciousness, has a long way to go, before flowering fully. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : The enlightened narrative runs out of steam after a certain point, it's like the standard musical form A B A. A = ordinary life & B = spiritual path. The part everyone gets hopped up about is B. If you get really good at playing the tune suddenly you find once again your at A. I think it's worth it, but only because in returning to A you now know there are no alternatives to A. It's a good idea to finish the song, and not
Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC
That *does* seem to be the case, eh? It's like Judy has lost 20 or more IQ points by associating with the only two followers she's got left, Jim and Ann. Understandable. Neither of them seems smart enough to take a whizz without someone like Judy telling them where to piss and who to piss on. I think what's bothering her, now that she no longer has her "gang" of Ravi and Robin and Bob and others behind her, ready to pile on to anyone she aims them at, is that no one seems to be afraid of her any more. Share and Steve run rings around her, Feste and Salyavin stand up to her, and none of the people she used to delight in sucking into eternal arguments will bother with her any more, so she's left making (dare I say it?) Feeble comments like this one, while we all just laugh at her. It must suck being her. I mean, stuck being the kind of person who views every interaction on FFL as a battle...and losing. From: "steve.sun...@yahoo.com" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 2:01 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC Judy, I sorry to say that I think you're losing some of your edge, or maybe bite. You're not much breaking the skin anymore. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : "Popularity contest" just nails it for both Steve and Share. (With themselves as the judges, of course.) Ha, please don't play the fool, simply to win the popularity contest. Easy Doc, don't take the inactivity personally. People may just not be that interested in hearing the enlightened narrative..again, and again, and again. but hell, it had legs for a while (-: oh shit, I forgot - spiritual development IS a popularity contest! Thanks Share and seventh. Great reminder. Where would we be without people like you? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Doc, from the dwindling number of posts I guess we could say that it wasn't a lot of people's cup of tea! Ha! Even others with exceptional experiences, like Kris, fell away. In my experience, free for all is more fun, even more healing, even more enlivening of totality. Go figure! On Sunday, March 23, 2014 12:47 AM, "doctordumbass@..." wrote: BATGAP posts were more research oriented, than the free for all, here. It wasn't a matter of wanting spirituality integrated into our lives. It already is. It was a matter of asking very specific questions about experiences of states of consciousness, and learning from the answers - often drawing very subtle distinctions. Not your cup of tea, granted. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Hi Steve, WNS is Wednesday Night Satsang, an online group that had an in person component, meaning that there was a Wednesday Night Satsang meeting in FF every Wednesday night. That forum petered out; then the meetings ended; and now BATGAP is petering out, the forum not the interviews. But someone in Australia recently revived WNS. Not sure how long that revival will last... Meanwhile FFL is going strong. What it says to me is that people now want their spirituality thoroughly integrated into their whole life, not off in some corner irrelevant to everyday matters. Just my opinion. PS Thank you for your support. It means a lot. On Saturday, March 22, 2014 6:06 PM, "steve.sundur@..." wrote: what is WNS? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Richard, having participated on both the dying BAT and the reviving WNS, I say yay yay yay for the Funny Farm Lounge (FFL), the best forum, imho, on the www! Not that I've read them all, mind you. Go figure!
[FairfieldLife] Here's another photo- and camera-related post for you, Nabby
I know you love photography, and probably old cameras as well, so here's a place for you to have coffee next time you're in Korea: http://www.messynessychic.com/2014/03/24/giant-camera-cafe-south-korea/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ejecting Quiet time meditation from our public schools
From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 8:35 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ejecting Quiet time meditation from our public schools It appears some cognitive dissonance is setting in with Jude and Willytex. Not sure how many times I have to say it; my mantra is in many a book on mantra's and translates as an invocation to the goddess Lakshmi, say it 1000 times and she'll come to my aid. Apparently. That's the idea anyway. Feel free to continue saying everyone else is wrong Cognitive dissonance dealt with -- or rather NOT dealt with -- by paddling their leaky boats even further up the river Denial. Speaking as what neither of them is or ever was -- a TM teacher -- I confirm your contention that one can find *all* of the TM mantras in books of Indian mantras, along with the Hindu god or goddess each is associated with, and who you invoke each time you think or say the mantra. But since we're talking primarily about the U.S. Constitution here, and its prohibition of organized religion in schools, let's remind the other non-TM teachers here what was invoked when they learned TM, and when any one of the students in these schools learns TM. TM *cannot* be taught without this ceremony, and without the student participating in it. All TM teachers *know* what it says, because they not only had to memorize the Sanskrit, they had to memorize the English (or their native language) version, and were told explicitly to "hold it lively in their minds" while chanting the Sanskrit version. Thus they have no excuse for pretending that it's not religious in both origin and intent. Invocation: Whether pure or impure, whether all places are permeated by purity or impurity, Whoever opens himself to the expanded vision of unbounded awareness gains inner and outer purity. Invocation: To Lord Narayana, to lotus-born Brahma the Creator, to Vasishtha, to SHAKTI and his son, Parashara, to Vyasa, to Shukadeva, to the great GaudaPada, to Govinda, ruler among yogis, from him to his disciple, Shri Shankaracharya, from him to his disciples, Padma Pada and Hastamalaka, to him, Trotakacharya and Vartika-Kara, to others, to the eternal tradition of our abode of the wisdom of the Shrutis, Smritis and Purana, to the abode of compassion, to the personified glory of the Lord, to Shankara, emancipator of the world, I bow down. To Shankaracharya, the Emancipator, adored as Krishna and Badarayana, to the two authors of the commentary on the Brahma Sutras, I bow down To both expressions of the Divine, in Shankara, I bow down again and again At whose door the whole galaxy of gods pray for perfection day and night Adorned with immeasurable glory, preceptor of the whole world, having bowed to Him we gain complete fulfillment. Skilled in dispelling the cloud of ignorance of the people, the bestower of happiness, the glorious emancipator, Brahmananda Sarasvati, full of brilliance, Him I bring to my awareness. Offering the invocation to the lotus feet of Shri Guru Dev, I bow down. Offering a seat to the lotus feet of Shri Guru Dev, I bow down. Offering a ablution to the lotus feet of Shri Guru Dev, I bow down. Offering cloth to the lotus feet of Shri Guru Dev, I bow down. Offering sandalpaste to the lotus feet of Shri Guru Dev, I bow down. Offereing full rice to the lotus feet of Shri Guru Dev, I bow down. Offering a flower to the lotus feet of Shri Guru Dev, I bow down. Offering incense to the lotus feet of Shri Guru Dev, I bow down. Offering light to the lotus feet of Shri Guru Dev, I bow down. Offering water to the lotus feet of Shri Guru Dev, I bow down. Offering fruit to the lotus feet of Shri Guru Dev, I bow down. Offering water to the lotus feet of Shri Guru Dev, I bow down. Offering a betel leaf to the lotus feet of Shri Guru Dev, I bow down. Offering a coconut to the lotus feet of Shri Guru Dev, I bow down Offering camphor light. White as camphor, the incarnation of kindness, the essence of creation garlanded by the Serpent-King. Ever dwelling in the lotus of my heart, Lord Shiva with Mother Divine to Him I bow down. Offering light to the lotus feet of Shri Guru Dev, I bow down. Offering water to the lotus feet of Shri Guru Dev, I bow down. Offering a handful of flowers Guru Dev is the glory of Brahma the Creator, Lord Vishnu the Maintainer, and the great Lord Shiva Guru is the glory of the Supreme Transcendent personified, to Him, to the glory of Shri Guru Dev, I bow down. The Unbounded, like the endless canopy of the sky, the omnipresent in all creation, the sign of That has been revealed, to Him, to Shri Guru Dev, I bow down. Guru Dev, Shri Brahmananda, Guru Dev, in the glory of the bliss of the Absolute, in the glory of transcendental joy, in the glory of Unity, the very embodiment of knowledge, who is beyond the universe like the sky, as the goal of "that thou art" and other (Shrutis which grant eternal unity of life). The One, the Eternal, the
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ejecting Quiet time meditation from our public schools
From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 9:59 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ejecting Quiet time meditation from our public schools When one is on TTC does one get taught the mantra meanings or taught that they are meaningless sounds? A good question. On my teacher training course, we were NOT taught the real meanings of the mantras, only what to say when people asked about them, that they were "meaningless sounds." So the lying about their origins and real meanings is NOT just to people learning the TM technique, it was to people learning how to teach it as well. The puja, however, EVERYONE knew the meaning of. Thus when they told their students that there was nothing religious about the puja, they were lying. They still are, to the administrators of these "Quiet Time" schools, to the students learning TM, and to their parents. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 8:35 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ejecting Quiet time meditation from our public schools It appears some cognitive dissonance is setting in with Jude and Willytex. Not sure how many times I have to say it; my mantra is in many a book on mantra's and translates as an invocation to the goddess Lakshmi, say it 1000 times and she'll come to my aid. Apparently. That's the idea anyway. Feel free to continue saying everyone else is wrong Cognitive dissonance dealt with -- or rather NOT dealt with -- by paddling their leaky boats even further up the river Denial. Speaking as what neither of them is or ever was -- a TM teacher -- I confirm your contention that one can find *all* of the TM mantras in books of Indian mantras, along with the Hindu god or goddess each is associated with, and who you invoke each time you think or say the mantra. But since we're talking primarily about the U.S. Constitution here, and its prohibition of organized religion in schools, let's remind the other non-TM teachers here what was invoked when they learned TM, and when any one of the students in these schools learns TM. TM *cannot* be taught without this ceremony, and without the student participating in it. All TM teachers *know* what it says, because they not only had to memorize the Sanskrit, they had to memorize the English (or their native language) version, and were told explicitly to "hold it lively in their minds" while chanting the Sanskrit version. Thus they have no excuse for pretending that it's not religious in both origin and intent. Invocation: Whether pure or impure, whether all places are permeated by purity or impurity, Whoever opens himself to the expanded vision of unbounded awareness gains inner and outer purity. Invocation: To Lord Narayana, to lotus-born Brahma the Creator, to Vasishtha, to SHAKTI and his son, Parashara, to Vyasa, to Shukadeva, to the great GaudaPada, to Govinda, ruler among yogis, from him to his disciple, Shri Shankaracharya, from him to his disciples, Padma Pada and Hastamalaka, to him, Trotakacharya and Vartika-Kara, to others, to the eternal tradition of our abode of the wisdom of the Shrutis, Smritis and Purana, to the abode of compassion, to the personified glory of the Lord, to Shankara, emancipator of the world, I bow down. To Shankaracharya, the Emancipator, adored as Krishna and Badarayana, to the two authors of the commentary on the Brahma Sutras, I bow down To both expressions of the Divine, in Shankara, I bow down again and again At whose door the whole galaxy of gods pray for perfection day and night Adorned with immeasurable glory, preceptor of the whole world, having bowed to Him we gain complete fulfillment. Skilled in dispelling the cloud of ignorance of the people, the bestower of happiness, the glorious emancipator, Brahmananda Sarasvati, full of brilliance, Him I bring to my awareness. Offering the invocation to the lotus feet of Shri Guru Dev, I bow down. Offering a seat to the lotus feet of Shri Guru Dev, I bow down. Offering a ablution to the lotus feet of Shri Guru Dev, I bow down. Offering cloth to the lotus feet of Shri Guru Dev, I bow down. Offering sandalpaste to the lotus feet of Shri Guru Dev, I bow down. Offereing full rice to the lotus feet of Shri Guru Dev, I bow down. Offering a flower to the lotus feet of Shri Guru Dev, I bow down. Offering incense to the lotus feet of Shri Guru Dev, I bow down. Offering light to the lotus feet of Shri Guru Dev, I bow down. Offering water to the lotus feet of Shri Guru Dev, I bow down. Offering fruit to the lotus feet of Shri Guru Dev, I bow down. Offering water to the lotus feet of Shri Guru Dev, I bow down. Offering a betel leaf to the lotus feet of Shri Guru Dev, I bow down. Offering a coconut to the lotus feet of Shri Guru Dev, I bow down Offering camphor light. White as camphor, the incarnation of kindness, the essence of creation garlanded by the
Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC
I'll try to respond to this, because you seem so earnest and all :-), but please understand going into it that I am at something of a disadvantage when discussing "enlightenment" in that I don't believe that there is any such state with a finite end. I seriously DO NOT believe in Maharishi's "7 states of consciousness," or that there is any "end point" of human evolution. If I believe anything at all, it's more from the Buddhist model, that there are tens of thousands of states of attention, *none* of them "the highest," *none* of them "the best." From: "anartax...@yahoo.com" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 10:45 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC Response to Barry. In the TMO, fMRI is not used, but it might throw some light on what is happening in the brain when a person is experiencing inner silence. In this 'development of consciousness' thing this is a benchmark that I have heard spoken of in more than one tradition as one of the effects of meditation, not just TM but mindfulness variations. The 'CC' benchmark is really the greatest point of contrast between activity and stillness when one is active and awake, after that the contrast ceases, and depending on the person slowly or rapidly or somewhere in between. I remain unconvinced that science will EVER find a way to "measure" and "quantify" enlightenment, for the simple reason that I suspect its phyisiological side effects (if there are any) will be different for every single person. Thus I'm not terribly interested in these MRI studies. It looks to me like a bunch of faux research conducted by True Believers to "prove themselves right," and thus falling into the category of "drawing bullseyes around arrows." I think the experiences you have had were similar to what I went through in the years before I learned TM. I would have these great moments of silence, and then they would fade. Later on, the whole thing just abruptly ended after having been seemingly stable. There may be no awakening at this point, but the setup is there. Now even M mentioned, using the analogy of a building going up, that one can have a mix of different states going on, just as a building, unfinished, still has upper floors at least partially constructed while the bottom floors might be more or less complete. That is just an analogy. And in my opinion, a poor one. I don't believe that one's subjective state of attention has anything whatsoever to do with the state of the physical body, or how much "stress" is in it. I think that "stress" was a concept that Maharishi stole from Hans Selye and misinterpreted badly and incorrectly. "Unstressing" also seems completely off the mark to me because it presupposes that something is WRONG with a person if they're not experiencing unbounded awareness at all times, and that this WRONG thing needs to be "fixed." I don't believe either of these concepts is true. I don't thing these states have anything to do with the abstract concept of consciousness, they are just states of the mind as the fogginess of experience begins to clear away. We are all basically dupes while this is going on, but I am realising these days that a lot of people really do get sucked into the undertow of spiritual thinking and do not seem to be able to swim back to the surface. I also think it is a mistake to assume one will experience any spiritual benchmark in a delineated order, or even that one will experience all the benchmarks. Especially because there are different benchmarks in different systems. Everyone will have his or her own experience, period. That is why I don't believe that "enlightenment" will ever be measurable. There are five reasons why otherwise reasonable people embrace absurd propositions: (1) they have a history of not formulating their beliefs on the basis of evidence; (2) they formulate their beliefs on what they thought was reliable evidence but wasn't; (3) they have never been exposed to competing epistemologies and beliefs; (4) they yield to social pressures; and (5) they devalue truth or are relativists. - Peter Boghossian (instructor of philosophy at Portland State University, Oregon http://www.pdx.edu/philosophy/peter-boghossian) I think most of us have fallen into these traps at various times in our lives, sometimes is it really difficult to know if we have been scammed. I think I am probably less down on my time in the movement, and M than you are. I am really not "down on my time in the TMO." I had fun with much of it. It's just that when the amount of lying I had to do to continue teaching got to me, and the direction that the TM movement was turning in (Spiritual Fascism) didn't suit me that I walked away. I am mainly "down on" the continued lying on the part of the TM movement and its apologists. If they are enjoying their
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ejecting Quiet time meditation from our public schools
From: "lengli...@cox.net" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 10:35 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ejecting Quiet time meditation from our public schools The significance of a pujah is whatever the hell the person doing the pujah says it is: Well, then since the translation of the TM puja I just posted is essentially the same as the one given to me by the people teaching me to perform it (Maharishi and the TM movement), I suggest that they're pretty much saying that its "significance" was religious. It *does*, after all, contain the names of numerous Hindu gods, not to mention various Hindu saints and teachers, and it *does* say that in performing the puja we are "bowing down to them." I've gone right to the source here, Lawson. Do you have a problem with how Maharishi *himself* translated the words of the puja? Do you somehow believe that when he's mentioning Brahma, Vishnu, and Shiva and bowing down to them he's talking about something *else*? Like maybe Brahma, Vishnu, and Shiva were the names of his pet dogs when he was a kid? :-) I know by now that any rational arguments are lost on you, and that you'll die as much of a True Believer in all of this shit as you are today, but I post these things for the sane people here, not the ones like you. You never became a TM teacher. You never sat in rooms and practiced chanting these Sanskrit words day after day after day, *while keeping the meanings of them you'd been given by your instructors "lively in your mind" as you had been instructed to do*. You thus never experienced any cognitive dissonance when you were then told to tell prospective students and the press that "No, there is *nothing* religious about the puja. Intellectually, you know I'm right. It's just that emotionally you can't cope with accepting it, because to do so will mean acknowledgment that 1) you were lied to, and 2) you have turned around and lied to hundreds or thousands of others by parroting what you were told to believe about the puja and its non-religious nature all these years. I *understand* why you avoid dealing with the reality of the situation, Lawson. You have invested in believing what you were told to believe so long that you're terrified that if you ever stop believing those things and parroting these things, there will be nothing left of "you." But it's not true. You'll only really become "you" when you start thinking for yourself. Unfortunately, I don't think that's likely to happen for you in this lifetime...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ejecting Quiet time meditation from our public schools
From: "lengli...@cox.net" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 11:11 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ejecting Quiet time meditation from our public schools I'll say again, and make it more explicit (obviously you didn't bother watching teh video): it doesn't matter what the words say. All that matters is the reason given for performing the stupid thing. Maharishi gave a reason. TM teachers agreed to accept that reason. End of story. Literally. End. Of. Story. TM teachers who agreed to "accept that reason" are in my considered opinion cultists, and not completely sane. End of story. Literally. End. Of. Story.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC
I have no interest in "engaging" with you, Jim, for any reason whatsoever. You're a mental midget with psychological problems so severe that you feel the need to pretend that you're enlightened. What could there possibly be to talk about? The only person here "dodging and weaving" and "hiding" is you. I think you're doing so because you don't want to reveal that your marriage is as rocky as your hold on sanity. From: "doctordumb...@rocketmail.com" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 2:38 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC Barry. This isn't about me. This is about you. You constantly dodge and weave, to hide yourself from me. You see my declaration of my enlightenment as a severe test of your world view. Here's another: When you stop hiding from me, I will engage with you. Until then I have NO INTEREST in becoming the inappropriate focus, for your many emotional issues. So the next time you feel like a rant against me, think about why you want to write it, and why it makes you feel so awesomely good. Stupid twit. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : It *is* a viable question, n'est-ce pas? Especially for someone who seems to never tire of telling people how enlightened he is, and so perfectly in tune with the Laws Of Nature, and so much more highly evolved than anyone else here. My bet is that his wife tossed him out some months now, possibly before he "retired." But of course, as with any other direct question, he'll ignore it completely, pretend the question never existed, hoping that other people's memories are as sieve-like as his own, and that they'll forget the question was ever asked. He'll lay low for a while, and then start running the same act again. From: "steve.sundur@..." To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 2:43 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : For example, how's your marriage doing, you who are so keen to paint me with the brush of "emotional issues?" We haven't heard much about your wife lately. Is she still your wife? Father forgive me. I've wondered the same thing. Or are you roaming around the country in your trailer because you've got no home to go home to? And how's it *going* for you, posing as enlightened and all? I've offered you many, many chances to *see* how it's going, by simply asking the people here on Fairfield Life to weigh in and say whether they believe that you're enlightened. So far, I don't think you have, and I don't think anyone has stepped up to the plate on their own. Don't you think that's a little odd, for someone who is as established in BC (I think the 'B' stands for either Brahman or Bullshit...not sure) as you are? Isn't it about time for another bunch of machine-generated bullshit quotes from you to "prove" how much more evolved you are than the other people here, especially the ones you don't like? And while we're at it, what's up with that not liking people, coming from someone who theoretically views them as Self? Jimbo, NO ONE believes you're enlightened. They kinda feel sorry for you that you have to go around claiming that you are. The day you realize and acknowledge this, you might have finally evolved to the level of a normal human being. From: "doctordumbass@..." To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 2:34 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC Your bitterness and lack of spiritual progress are ugly things for me to see, Barry. I honestly feel sorry for you. To try and make points with your perceived audience, by twisting my words, is such a petty and small minded thing to indulge in. Ask yourself if it *honestly* makes you feel better, to do this? I don't think so. Anyway, a toxic diet can become a habit - just as a warning to you. Your words, since they are not accurate, have no personal impact on me. But your attitude is truly worrisome, and I *hate* to see someone as old as you are, becoming so delighted with the negative thoughts, that you feed on. Please, put *that* in your pipe, and smoke it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Yeah, Xeno. You're only in Cosmic Consciousness, whereas Jimbo is SO much more enlightened than that. You have a long, long way to go before YOU can't tell a real Deepak Chopra quote from one written by a computer robot stringing BS phrases together at random. Aren't you happy to learn that you've got so much to look forward to once you "flower fully" the way Jimbo has? :-) :-) :-) And remember, this is the same guy who once said that Buddha (who didn't believe in a God) once taught that "God is love." SO much to look forward to once you get over that puny CC st
Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC
From: nablusoss1008 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 3:16 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC You're wasting your time in pointing out the innumerable shortcomings of the baby-Turq-fellow. For once I agree with Nabby. :-) The question this brings up is WHY a person who claims to be enlightened would obsess as heavily as Jim is on me. With Judy and Ann, they just obsess because they're obsessives. But why would an "enlightened" person be so obsessed?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity
Isn't it fascinating how the same old arguments come up, followed by the same
old justifications and apologetics, over and over and over and over and over
and over?
And the people running the cult apologetics number seem to be completely
unaware that they have *patterns* that define their behavior, patterns that
allow anyone who has been watching for some time to predict those patterns in
advance. For example, knowing that the "pandit riots" would cause the TBs here
to freak out and thus jumpstart another round of their completely predictable
behaviors, I described them *beforehand* in the following post:
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/377151
How many of the posts made by Judy, Jim, and Ann in the time since fall into
one or more of the six categories I defined in that post? How many posts have
any of them made that *don't* fall into these six categories?
From: "geezerfr...@yahoo.com"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 5:20 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant
stupidity
Checked in to see what was going on at FFL today and low and behold, it's the
mantra meaning debate!
I've posted this before some years back but for me it was settled once and for
all back in 1976 when I received my 4th "advanced technique". I was waiting in
line to see MMY when the guy in front of me, a friend of mine, said "ask him
the meaning, he'll tell you."
MMY gave me the new variation of my mantra (it was now Sri Aing Namah Namah)
and I quietly said "what is the meaning?" MMY said "Glorious Saraswati I bow
down to you again and again. {pause} Do not dwell."
At the time I was totally thrilled since I LOVED the idea of worshipping the
goddess Saraswati. It was only much later that I began to think about the fact
that I had been telling all of my students that they were meaningless sounds.
Many years later, when the mantra tables were revealed, it was easy to decipher
the meaning of all of them.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity
Gotta agree with Salyavin here -- no buzz whatsoever. I instructed hundreds of people, and thus did hundreds of pujas, and never felt a damned thing. I'm convinced that the "buzz" thing is mood-making and the placebo effect. From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 6:17 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity I didn't get a buzz from the puja, I enjoyed the chanting and the exotic unexpectedness of it though and getting the mantra at the end was clever, it worked straight away too. I was hooked from day one - regardless of the etymology of the terms ;-) I think you'll have a job getting the "aspects of natural law" excuse past the fundies though, a blue elephant worshipped by Hindu's is still a blue elephant no matter what you call it ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : So did you get a "buzz" from the puja? You should and that's probably why you liked it. The "buzz" would be the increase of "shakti" which is something not well understood by western science. Another thing we need to remember is that just the word "Hindu" was a form of ignorance created by invaders of the Indus Valley who could not pronounce a word starting with "I" so they put an "H" in front. Sort of of a joke. And "Hinduism" just like MMY said, is indeed a philosophy just like Buddhism and not a religion. The "invaders" also thought the practices constituted a "religion." And truly there are some Indians who practice it "religiously." :-D On 03/25/2014 08:07 AM, salyavin808 wrote: > > > > > No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity? Hmmm, seems like that's the sort of thing meditation was designed for. Is it too late for a refund? > > >I don't know why you people get so upset at a few inconvenient facts. I'm an athiest and I loved the puja, all that bowing and singing and incense, just like some sort of religious thing but not a religious thing because it was all in foreign and quite enjoyable anyway, so why would it matter? Unless you are some sort of religious person who has what they are allowed to do proscribed by someone else, but who would admit to that? As the TM teacher said: if you like ceremonies it's a nice one. If you don't, it's a short one. And besides, I wanted to get my hands on the enlightenment and the supernatural powers the book promised, so I would have sat through a hymn service at the local church. Almost. > > >Anyhoo's, I don't remember any god doing anything for me lately so I conclude that the origin of mantras is irrelevant, and also about as irrelevant as other TMO teachings I had plowed into me like the "fact" that most of classical Indian literature happens to be present in my body in some, unspecified, way. Which seems to me about as religious a statement as you could possibly make. > > >Coincidentally, you can cure people of any health problem at all by chanting the relevant section of something called the ved at the unwell part of the body in another undoubtably secular (and not cheap) ceremony in order to redress the balance. According to the latest "discoveries" of Maharaja Raja Raam (Tony to his friends) the reason we get ill in the first place is because the battles of the Ramayana are being fought out in our bodies. Astounding. Order me an obviously secular yagya immediately! > > >But mantras I don't care about. I mean, obviously they come from some hindu or pre-hindu teaching, all this stuff does and all this stuff is ancient. The question is, why would that be a surprise to anybody? > > >---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : > > >Recently I have read here on FFL an argument professed by former TM’ers who stopped practicing because they claimed they were deceived about the "meaning" of mantras. > > >I don't believe anyone has stopped for that reason. Usually they quit because they don't think like it or don't think it has enough reward for the time invested. > > >Some people seem to take to it like ducks to water and become full of flashy experiences and evangelical zeal, I know I did. Go figure. > > >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity
From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 6:18 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Well said, thank you and end of debate. You must be new here Hilarious. Especially coming just after Buck's classic apologetics reply to geezer's. :-) Yep, they may have meaning to some but in this practice don't use that and they are not used that way. Evidently from the Master, “don't dwell on it” as in don't use it that way. Therefore TM is not religious. Yes, end of argument, -Buck
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant stupidity
Point #4:
* Nitpick them into arguing with you. Any nitpick will do, but the best
is some kind of semantic nitpick about one or two words in something
they posted that doesn't really have anything to do with the criticism
you're trying to D-E-F-L-E-C-T. If you can get them -- or other posters
-- all involved in a meaningless nitpick side argument that has nothing
to do with the original criticism, they aren't involved in the
criticism. You've won.
From: "authfri...@yahoo.com"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 6:29 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: No Mantra will cure willfully arrogant
stupidity
What Maharishi told you, Geeze, was the association between the bija mantra and
Saraswati. The bija itself is still a semantically meaningless sound (unlike
the Sanskrit words that comprise the advanced techniques, which do have
semantic meanings).
FWIW, I've been on residence courses in which the teachers were asked directly
whether the mantras were the "names" of Hindu gods. In both cases the teacher
willingly explained that in Hinduism, the bija mantras were associated with
Hindu deities, whereas in TM we drew no such association but simply entertained
the bija as a meaningless sound.
Checked in to see what was going on at FFL today and low and behold, it's the
mantra meaning debate!
I've posted this before some years back but for me it was settled once and for
all back in 1976 when I received my 4th "advanced technique". I was waiting in
line to see MMY when the guy in front of me, a friend of mine, said "ask him
the meaning, he'll tell you."
MMY gave me the new variation of my mantra (it was now Sri Aing Namah Namah)
and I quietly said "what is the meaning?" MMY said "Glorious Saraswati I bow
down to you again and again. {pause} Do not dwell."
At the time I was totally thrilled since I LOVED the idea of worshipping the
goddess Saraswati. It was only much later that I began to think about the fact
that I had been telling all of my students that they were meaningless sounds.
Many years later, when the mantra tables were revealed, it was easy to decipher
the meaning of all of them.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC
From: "anartax...@yahoo.com" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 8:27 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC The tip off with Robin's description of his experience, for example, was that he said it was exactly like Maharishi said it would be. He didn't even have any *imagination* when making up his supposed experiences. Spiritually now I have been watching 'Justified'. As Elmore Leonard was an executive producer of the show, while other writers do each episode, Leonard said, as he was 'a producer', he can't just sit around on his ass, so he wrote more stories about Givens, and the other writers mine them for situations and dialogue; they even take stuff from his other stories that the producers have not licensed but as he is part of the team there does not seem to be a problem. He seems happy that his humour and style manages to get through in the show without being mangled. Most of the actors are from the South so the accent comes naturally to them. Olyphant (that's his real name) said he used a dialogue coach to prep for the role he plays and he said he enjoys having a role that has some humour in it. Elmore is dead now, and Olyphant will only do one more season (2015). All things come to an end. And that ends this thread. Not quite. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ecppB4IRFs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMVd3ycUy60
Re: [FairfieldLife] Pu(t)tin a hex on Hitler!
From: "cardemais...@yahoo.com" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 8:14 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Pu(t)tin a hex on Hitler! http://life.time.com/curiosities/putting-a-hex-on-hitler-life-goes-to-a-black-magic-party-in-1941/#1 And people thought my post about Maharishi V.O.O.D.O.O. yagyas was a parody. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Non-Celebrity TM Endorsements
We've all seen the perils of trying to market your meditation technique by using "celebrity endorsements." It's fine when the celebrities in question are popular, but more difficult when the celebrities become known for things like drinking coffee and smoking cigarettes non-stop while filming women being degraded onscreen, getting caught smoking joints while on music tours, or drugging their medical patients so that they can have sex with them. So my suggestion to the TMO is that it focus on more down-to-earth, normal people, and allow THEM to write endorsements talking about all the wonderful things TM has added to their lives. Surely when the general public hears testimonies from people it can identify with because they're so much like them, the number of TM initiations will soar again. Here are a few fictional sample testimonials, just to illustrate my idea: * Hi. I'm just a normal horse rancher living outside of Fairfield, Iowa who goes to the flying dome twice a day and spends much of my free time trying to convince those who don't go to the dome that they should, because otherwise they're eroding the moral foundations of America and jeopardizing world peace and lowlife scum. I also testify on the Internet correcting the erroneous impression some have developed that TM is a religion. In my spare time I like to "translate" old scriptures to make them more accessible to people in modern times by replacing the words with better words. Thus "God" becomes "the Unified Field," and "grace of God" becomes "transcendence," and "the godless" becomes "non-meditators." I think everyone should practice TM, and that strong laws should be put in place to *make* them practice it if they don't sign up willingly. You should -- nay, MUST -- all learn TM, so your lives can be as magical and moral as mine. * Hello. I'm an overweight, often-out-of-work programmer who really, really believes in the scientific evidence that proves that TM is not only an effective form of meditation, but that it's by far the BEST form of meditation. To this end I spend hours and hours arguing with people who believe otherwise on Reddit, trying to convince them to believe the things I believe. I also think that TM should be in every school, so that all kids have the opportunity to grow up and have as fulfilling a life as I have. * Hallo. I am a long-term TM practitioner living in Norway. When I'm not working as a photographer, I spend my time trying to convince people like yourselves that if anyone says anything bad about Maharishi or TM that they're doing it only because they're on the payroll of the CIA or the Dalai Lama. I think, and have said many times, that anyone who is "off the program" and does anything other than what they're told to do by Maharishi and their TM teachers should be forcibly thrown out of the TM movement. In my spare time, because I am an exception to this, of course, I hang out with another famous spiritual teacher, and love to hear him tell stories about the Saviour named Maitreya that he's been promising will appear Any Day Now for 30 years, and hearing about the Space Brothers who are trying to communicate to us via crop circles. If you learn TM, you can have as normal and as fulfilling a life as I do. * Hi. I am an older woman living a fabulous life in a beach town in a fabulous resort area of the world. For work I correct the writing of people hoping to get their books published, and for fun I correct the writing of anyone on the Internet who is WRONG, and who thus *needs* to be corrected. I am so good at this that I have never once been WRONG myself, and I have never once lost an argument, no matter how petty. I rule. In my spare time I hold grudges against anyone who fails to recognize me as the most knowledgeable, most truthful person ever, and stalk them on the Internet until they finally do. I've stalked some of them for almost twenty years now, the scum. I'll get them...and their little dogs, too! In spite of all these pressing duties, I am known for my sense of humor and my cheerful laughter, which lights up any chat room I appear in. Which is a lot of them, because I haven't actually seen the sun in nearly ten years...there are just SO many people out there who need correcting. Learn TM, and your life can be as fulfilling as mine. * Yo. I'm a retired tech trainer who has been meditating for many years now, long enough for me to become fully enlightened, and in fact more enlightened than anyone else in the whole world. Any time anyone talks about a spiritual experience they've had, I can top it by talking about the "better" and "higher" experience I've had. THAT is how powerful TM is, and how much it's done for me. Since I'm no longer working, I travel around in a camper, because that allows me to stay up until 4:00 AM obsessing on the people who don't believe I'm enlightened and insulting them any way I can think of. If this sounds like
Re: [FairfieldLife] Non-Celebrity TM Endorsements
From: "steve.sun...@yahoo.com" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 12:56 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Non-Celebrity TM Endorsements That"a great Share. You gave me a chuckle this morning. I also liked Barry's profiles. Yes, it was great that Share responded light-heartedly, as opposed to...uh...at least one of the fictional characters portrayed earlier. I wrote it for fun, but also to make a point. A *lot* of people on this forum seem to think that they are "normal," or even admirable, and that lurkers might perceive them that way. Many of the people who think this way seem to be of the belief that what they SAY in words is how they are perceived by these lurkers. Given what I know about human nature, t'ain't true. They are perceived and evaluated on the basis of their repetitive behavior, and on the basis of what they seem to focus on -- day after day, week after week, month after month, and in some cases, decade after decade. If the lurkers feel that this *behavior* is odd or unusual or...let's face it, a little crazy, then they aren't going to think the people acting out that behavior are terribly normal. They're *also* not likely to look at them as good "commercials" for the product they're trying to sell. Who, after all, would want their lives to turn out the way that some of these examples' lives have? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Hi everyone, I'm a younger, older woman who lives in walkable, minus the winter, Fairfield, IA. However, I do drive my car twice a day to the women's Dome, yes, the one Oprah meditated in (!) to practice the TMSP which I've been doing twice a day, every day for almost 40 years. And yes, I do tend to talk too much ([people often tell me to STFU), especially about health topics but after all I have Moon in the 6th house. Waddya expect?! Also for my health I often use alternative methods outside of the TM collection of modalities. What can I say? I'm curious. I've got three planets in the 9th in Gemini. Go figure! For almost the last two years I've spent an awful lot of time participating in a yahoo group called Fairfield Life (FFL). Also affectionately known as the Funny Farm Lounge. People from all over the world. Lots of fascinating topics. Allegedly lots of lurkers, hi you all. I've learned so much and had fun a lot of the time doing so. Plus on FFL, I've encountered the dark side, not only of others, but also of myself. Very healing and I'm grateful. Last but not least, I've been called a clam and a bunch of other stuff that I don't remember. Lines on water, dontcha know (-: On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 3:28 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: We've all seen the perils of trying to market your meditation technique by using "celebrity endorsements." It's fine when the celebrities in question are popular, but more difficult when the celebrities become known for things like drinking coffee and smoking cigarettes non-stop while filming women being degraded onscreen, getting caught smoking joints while on music tours, or drugging their medical patients so that they can have sex with them. So my suggestion to the TMO is that it focus on more down-to-earth, normal people, and allow THEM to write endorsements talking about all the wonderful things TM has added to their lives. Surely when the general public hears testimonies from people it can identify with because they're so much like them, the number of TM initiations will soar again. Here are a few fictional sample testimonials, just to illustrate my idea: * Hi. I'm just a normal horse rancher living outside of Fairfield, Iowa who goes to the flying dome twice a day and spends much of my free time trying to convince those who don't go to the dome that they should, because otherwise they're eroding the moral foundations of America and jeopardizing world peace and lowlife scum. I also testify on the Internet correcting the erroneous impression some have developed that TM is a religion. In my spare time I like to "translate" old scriptures to make them more accessible to people in modern times by replacing the words with better words. Thus "God" becomes "the Unified Field," and "grace of God" becomes "transcendence," and "the godless" becomes "non-meditators." I think everyone should practice TM, and that strong laws should be put in place to *make* them practice it if they don't sign up willingly. You should -- nay, MUST -- all learn TM, so your lives can be as magical and moral as mine. * Hello. I'm an overweight, often-out-of-work programmer who really, really believes in the scientific evidence that proves that TM is not only an effective form of meditation,
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Path Between Pseudo-Spirituality and Pseudo-Science
Good article. I look forward to the book. From: "anartax...@yahoo.com" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 3:41 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] The Path Between Pseudo-Spirituality and Pseudo-Science Blog post by Sam Harris: http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/the-path-between-pseudo-spirituality-and-pseudo-science
Re: [FairfieldLife] Non-Celebrity TM Endorsements
From: "emilymae...@yahoo.com" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 3:53 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Non-Celebrity TM Endorsements Share, love the reference to Oprah...that gives you a lot of credibility. I think you are ready for match.com. I'm sorry Barry left you out; why don't you write one for Barry? Possibly because Barry, unlike the others he wrote testimonials for, isn't trying to sell you anything or apologize/make excuses for any religion, cult, practice, or group. Heck, he's not even a member of any group, with the possible exception of the human race, and I'd bet that Judy would quibble with that one. :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Hi everyone, I'm a younger, older woman who lives in walkable, minus the winter, Fairfield, IA. However, I do drive my car twice a day to the women's Dome, yes, the one Oprah meditated in (!) to practice the TMSP which I've been doing twice a day, every day for almost 40 years. And yes, I do tend to talk too much ([people often tell me to STFU), especially about health topics but after all I have Moon in the 6th house. Waddya expect?! Also for my health I often use alternative methods outside of the TM collection of modalities. What can I say? I'm curious. I've got three planets in the 9th in Gemini. Go figure! For almost the last two years I've spent an awful lot of time participating in a yahoo group called Fairfield Life (FFL). Also affectionately known as the Funny Farm Lounge. People from all over the world. Lots of fascinating topics. Allegedly lots of lurkers, hi you all. I've learned so much and had fun a lot of the time doing so. Plus on FFL, I've encountered the dark side, not only of others, but also of myself. Very healing and I'm grateful. Last but not least, I've been called a clam and a bunch of other stuff that I don't remember. Lines on water, dontcha know (-: On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 3:28 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: We've all seen the perils of trying to market your meditation technique by using "celebrity endorsements." It's fine when the celebrities in question are popular, but more difficult when the celebrities become known for things like drinking coffee and smoking cigarettes non-stop while filming women being degraded onscreen, getting caught smoking joints while on music tours, or drugging their medical patients so that they can have sex with them. So my suggestion to the TMO is that it focus on more down-to-earth, normal people, and allow THEM to write endorsements talking about all the wonderful things TM has added to their lives. Surely when the general public hears testimonies from people it can identify with because they're so much like them, the number of TM initiations will soar again. Here are a few fictional sample testimonials, just to illustrate my idea: * Hi. I'm just a normal horse rancher living outside of Fairfield, Iowa who goes to the flying dome twice a day and spends much of my free time trying to convince those who don't go to the dome that they should, because otherwise they're eroding the moral foundations of America and jeopardizing world peace and lowlife scum. I also testify on the Internet correcting the erroneous impression some have developed that TM is a religion. In my spare time I like to "translate" old scriptures to make them more accessible to people in modern times by replacing the words with better words. Thus "God" becomes "the Unified Field," and "grace of God" becomes "transcendence," and "the godless" becomes "non-meditators." I think everyone should practice TM, and that strong laws should be put in place to *make* them practice it if they don't sign up willingly. You should -- nay, MUST -- all learn TM, so your lives can be as magical and moral as mine. * Hello. I'm an overweight, often-out-of-work programmer who really, really believes in the scientific evidence that proves that TM is not only an effective form of meditation, but that it's by far the BEST form of meditation. To this end I spend hours and hours arguing with people who believe otherwise on Reddit, trying to convince them to believe the things I believe. I also think that TM should be in every school, so that all kids have the opportunity to grow up and have as fulfilling a life as I have. * Hallo. I am a long-term TM practitioner living in Norway. When I'm not working as a photographer, I spend my time trying to convince people like yourselves that if anyone says anything bad about Maharishi or TM that they're doing it only because they're on the payroll of the CIA or the Dalai Lama. I think, and have said many times, that anyone who is "off the program" and d
[FairfieldLife] The Dutch approach to dying
This kinda has to be posted here, because it's something I haven't seen anywhere else, and I find it remarkably refreshing, and kinda spiritual. You know how in America no one really ever talks much about death, and they try especially to hide it from children? Well, here in Leiden the local Crematorium is sponsoring a Kinderdag -- a Children's Day. From a Google Chrome translation of their web page at http://www.dela.nl/evenementen: Sunday, April 6 Nursery from 11:00 to 16:00 Look around a crematorium? That's what you do when someone is dead? That's true, but not on our special Children's Day. During a discovery in a fun way to learn what happens in a crematorium. But also: face painting, balloon kites, listening to stories, crafts, delicious sweets and much more. I find it kinda refreshing. We may even take Maya. She's 5, and finally beginning to grok the mysteries of death, since Pippin the dog went away some time ago, and he doesn't seem to be coming back. I can't help but believe that a no-nonsense approach to the subject might just help to develop a healthier approach to the inevitability of death than the American approach of Denial.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Research on Cosmic Consciousness
From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2014 8:19 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Research on Cosmic Consciousness Forward it to Susan Blackmore. Seriously, she'll at least be interested. When you post it here you are either preaching to the converted or to the highly sceptical. More likely, he's preaching to himself. That's just what True Believers DO, when criticism of what they believe in rears its (to them) ugly head. In my experience they don't actually *care* what the people they're preaching to believe; they're trying to convince themselves to keep believing what *they* believe. Their whole lives revolve around the "will to believe" rather than the "wish to find out." This is even reflected in the blurb Lawson includes about Fred Travis. His "research," *as described by Lawson*, could not BE a clearer example of "drawing bulls-eyes around arrows" if it tried to be. Travis is convinced of his Neo-Hindu belief system, so the very design of his research is formulated to "find" "proof" of it, and thus confirm the belief system. Who else would attempt to "fill in the details" of a period of no-thought using a phrase from a Hindu scripture? I've done twenty years of TM and I'm sure I would answer those questions differently, but I do I remember getting interviewed about experiences for course literature and it got edited somewhat! Anything "negative" was dismissed and only the most enticing bits included. But we all knew the TMO do that. But does a proper scientist? Sounds to me like Fred got onto a course of TB's and got them to recite the brochures on the knowledge table. Or maybe some people did better than the rest of us. What's your honest experience? Wasn't it Travis' own work on "CC" that was revealed here to have been based on "revisionist history" of his subjects' reported experiences? I can't remember exactly, but my memory is that several subjects, when asked if their sense of unbounded awareness was present all the time, said "No," but then he pursued it, asking leading questions like, "Well, would you say that it was like this...?" until they said "Yes." At that point, another tickmark appeared in his Yes column. In a courtroom this behavior would be recognized as "leading the witness." In psychological/sociological research, this behavior is more properly called what it is, fraud. I do mindfulness now, am I going to lose my sense of self? LOL, I doubt it, I feel extremely centred, peaceful and self aware since you asked. Sorry I don't have a paper to link to, but I'll let you know if "I" disappear ;-) I think the value of any meditation research will be in working out which bits of the brain give rise to which parts of what we kid ourselves as reality. The bigger the melting pot of correlated states the more we'll know about how the illusion is maintained. Big expanded sense of self? Must be all the extra blood flow to the amygdala. Perhaps. That sort of thing anyway. Cosmic Consciousness is going to be no more or less than just a misleading name for a state of mind and not cosmic at all, unless you want it to be but I could say that about anything As I've stated in my short interchanges with Xeno, I agree. I don't think there exists any such thing as clearly-delineated and measurable "states of consciousness," such as those proposed by MMY. I believe instead that there are as many different states as there are human beings, and each of them will be subtly different. Attempts to pigeonhole individual experiences (or individual physiological readings) and mush the square pegs of them into the round holes of MMY's "7 states of consciousness" will always fail, for two reasons. First, because such clearly-defined definitions don't exist, and second, because the very belief that they do depends on acceptance that there is one technique for achieving them (duh...TM) that will "work for everyone," and work the same for everyone. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Recently, Fred Travis published a paper inThe Annals of the New York Academy of Sciences' special edition on meditation research: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10./nyas.12316/full Transcendental experiences during meditation He goes over the research on pure consciousness and on Cosmic Consciousness that has been published over the years. I've included the psychological survey results from one study he discusses below. He interviewed people on the topic: "describe your self". There were three groups of people he interviewed: 1. waiting to learn TM 2. practicing TM for several years, but not having many PC experiences 3. practicing TM and having permanent experience of PC during waking, dreaming and sleeping for at least one year. http://www.totalbrain.ch/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/eeg-of-enlightenment.pdf Here's the responses he got (note that to a Buddhist o
Re: [FairfieldLife] Steven Seagall to Help Putin
Richard Simmons is at least in shape. Have you *seen* Steven Seagal lately? Suffice it to say the photo in the article is flattering. Here's another: From: Mike Dixon To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2014 2:00 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Steven Seagall to Help Putin Well... we could also send 'm Richard Simmons! On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 6:34 PM, "jr_...@yahoo.com" wrote: It appears that Putin wants the Russian people to be in good physical shape just like the Stalin era. But would Seagall work for the CIA as an undercover agent? This whole business looks like a bad movie to me. But unfortunately this story is for real. http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/putin-wants-russians-to-get-in-shape-163450055.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Steven Seagall to Help Putin
Tell me about it. :-) There was a time (his first movie) when he was not only in shape, but an adequate practitioner of Aikido. But that obviously was some time and some beers ago. You just know that there is something fundamentally wrong with the cosmos when I -- at 68 -- am in better shape than a former martial arts movie star, now 61. :-) From: Mike Dixon To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2014 2:17 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Steven Seagall to Help Putin Lawd H'mercy! On Thursday, March 27, 2014 6:13 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: Richard Simmons is at least in shape. Have you *seen* Steven Seagal lately? Suffice it to say the photo in the article is flattering. Here's another: From: Mike Dixon To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2014 2:00 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Steven Seagall to Help Putin Well... we could also send 'm Richard Simmons! On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 6:34 PM, "jr_...@yahoo.com" wrote: It appears that Putin wants the Russian people to be in good physical shape just like the Stalin era. But would Seagall work for the CIA as an undercover agent? This whole business looks like a bad movie to me. But unfortunately this story is for real. http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/putin-wants-russians-to-get-in-shape-163450055.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Steven Seagall to Help Putin
I have a tenth-degree black belt in Café Fu. From: Mike Dixon To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2014 2:40 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Steven Seagall to Help Putin Well , you *lift* a lot of espresso and wine glasses at those street cafes! On Thursday, March 27, 2014 6:31 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: Tell me about it. :-) There was a time (his first movie) when he was not only in shape, but an adequate practitioner of Aikido. But that obviously was some time and some beers ago. You just know that there is something fundamentally wrong with the cosmos when I -- at 68 -- am in better shape than a former martial arts movie star, now 61. :-) From: Mike Dixon To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2014 2:17 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Steven Seagall to Help Putin Lawd H'mercy! On Thursday, March 27, 2014 6:13 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: Richard Simmons is at least in shape. Have you *seen* Steven Seagal lately? Suffice it to say the photo in the article is flattering. Here's another: From: Mike Dixon To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2014 2:00 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Steven Seagall to Help Putin Well... we could also send 'm Richard Simmons! On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 6:34 PM, "jr_...@yahoo.com" wrote: It appears that Putin wants the Russian people to be in good physical shape just like the Stalin era. But would Seagall work for the CIA as an undercover agent? This whole business looks like a bad movie to me. But unfortunately this story is for real. http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/putin-wants-russians-to-get-in-shape-163450055.html
[FairfieldLife] Heart trivia to pass along
Today I had to write an article about sudden death and what causes it, and thus had occasion to learn a couple of interesting facts about heart disease, so I'll pass them along. First, there is a sloppiness in the English language and especially in the press and in movies and TV that tends to equate the terms "heart attack," "cardiac arrest," and "heart failure." As it turns out, these terms are as different as apples, oranges, and crowbars. A heart attack occurs due to a blockage of the coronary arteries feeding oxygen to the heart; deprived of oxygen, the heart muscles fail to function. A cardiac arrest, on the other hand, is an electrical event -- the ventricles start fibrillating at an increased and erratic rate, putting so much pressure on the heart that it can no longer adequately pump blood, so technically you die of brain death. Heart failure in medical terms refers to a heart that has become so diseased or disabled that it can no longer pump blood at sufficient volumes to sustain life. Second, if you ever find yourself in the position of having to aid someone who is obviously having a heart problem, don't do what you've seen in the movies and on TV and rush for the defibrillator and apply it first. What you do is resuscitate first using chest compression to get the heart pumping again, such that there is a perceivable heartbeat. Then the defibrillator can be of use, because its function is to steady erratic heart electrical activity and bring it back to normal rhythms.
[FairfieldLife] Do it for Denmark
Best travel ad ever. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrO3TfJc9Qw
[FairfieldLife] The Ten Best Sentences
As defined by the The American Scholar. I'll paste them in below, because earlier the site had been overwhelmed by hits and had a database failure. My favorite is the one from Dickens. As for my favorite sentence ever, it's from "The Lymond Chronicles," by Dorothy Dunnett. You encounter it in the first book of the series, the moment you meet its protagonist, but don't fully understand how perfect it is until you read the sixth book, and then immediately start rereading the whole series: "Drama entered, mincing like a cat." http://theamericanscholar.org/ten-best-sentences/#.UzQ2YFd5GbJ Its vanished trees, the trees that had made way for Gatsby’s house, had once pandered in whispers to the last and greatest of all human dreams; for a transitory enchanted moment man must have held his breath in the presence of this continent, compelled into an aesthetic contemplation he neither understood nor desired, face to face for the last time in history with something commensurate to his capacity for wonder. —F. Scott Fitzgerald, The Great Gatsby I go to encounter for the millionth time the reality of experience and to forge in the smithy of my soul the uncreated conscience of my race. —James Joyce, A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man This private estate was far enough away from the explosion so that its bamboos, pines, laurel, and maples were still alive, and the green place invited refugees—partly because they believed that if the Americans came back, they would bomb only buildings; partly because the foliage seemed a center of coolness and life, and the estate’s exquisitely precise rock gardens, with their quiet pools and arching bridges, were very Japanese, normal, secure; and also partly (according to some who were there) because of an irresistible, atavistic urge to hide under leaves. —John Hersey, Hiroshima It was a fine cry—loud and long—but it had no bottom and it had no top, just circles and circles of sorrow. —Toni Morrison, Sula For what do we live, but to make sport for our neighbors, and laugh at them in our turn? —Jane Austen, Pride and Prejudice It was the United States of America in the cold late spring of 1967, and the market was steady and the G.N.P. high and a great many articulate people seemed to have a sense of high social purpose and it might have been a spring of brave hopes and national promise, but it was not, and more and more people had the uneasy apprehension that it was not. —Joan Didion, Slouching Towards Bethlehem Anger was washed away in the river along with any obligation. —Ernest Hemingway, A Farewell to Arms There are many pleasant fictions of the law in constant operation, but there is not one so pleasant or practically humorous as that which supposes every man to be of equal value in its impartial eye, and the benefits of all laws to be equally attainable by all men, without the smallest reference to the furniture of their pockets. —Charles Dickens, Nicholas Nickleby In many ways he was like America itself, big and strong, full of good intentions, a roll of fat jiggling at his belly, slow of foot but always plodding along, always there when you needed him, a believer in the virtues of simplicity and directness and hard labor. —Tim O’Brien, The Things They Carried There is nothing more atrociously cruel than an adored child. —Vladimir Nabokov, Lolita And a bonus: Like the waters of the river, like the motorists on the highway, and like the yellow trains streaking down the Santa Fe tracks, drama, in the shape of exceptional happenings, had never stopped there. —Truman Capote, In Cold Blood
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Non-Celebrity TM Endorsements
Just out of curiosity, since I place no credence in it whatsoever, I wonder where Nabby's Benjamin Creme would place these people on his "scale of evolution." Hitler, Stalin, Mao, the current Dalai Lama, Maharishi, and Creme himself. Nabby can reply if he wants to. From: Richard J. Williams To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2014 3:58 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Non-Celebrity TM Endorsements On 3/27/2014 7:16 AM, nablusoss1008 wrote: > none are "hated" here, least of all the Turq, he has my sympathy and I > feel genuinely sorry for the poor soul. > Just for the record: The Pundister hates Stalin and Mao and feels sorry for the Tibetans and the Tatars who got raped. Seriously.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Non-Celebrity TM Endorsements
From: Share Long To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2014 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Non-Celebrity TM Endorsements Richard, how does Punditster feel about hating the wrong doing rather than the wrong doer? He's from Texas. You can't shoot the wrong doing, but you can shoot the wrong doer. Just joking, Richard...it was too good a set-up line to ignore. :-) On Thursday, March 27, 2014 9:58 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: On 3/27/2014 7:16 AM, nablusoss1008 wrote: > none are "hated" here, least of all the Turq, he has my sympathy and I > feel genuinely sorry for the poor soul. > Just for the record: The Pundister hates Stalin and Mao and feels sorry for the Tibetans and the Tatars who got raped. Seriously.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Neural Correlates of Consciousness?
From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2014 5:25 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Neural Correlates of Consciousness? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Salyavin, who/what has this illusion? You. Who is being deluded? You. Unless there's someone else in their you haven't told us about LOL. The mind boggles at the possibilities of postulating the various alternate personalities of Judy Stein. There'd be the one dressed as a Valkyrie with a horned hat, and... :-) :-) :-)
[FairfieldLife] One for Michael
I also posted to other forums the link about the "Dutch approach to dying," and today received a response (positive, but questioning its lasting value to the kids involved in a party in a crematorium) that made me remember the following true story as a response. Having growed up in the South, I thought you might appreciate it: In my youth, I once lived in Albany, GA, home of a funeral home owned by the Poteet family. One of the things one learned while growing up there was that you could call their number late at night and reach not an answering machine (they hadn't been invented yet), but the night watchman, who had a fondness for alcohol and for answering the phone with, "POTT! You kill 'em, we chill 'em" and similar one-liners. It was a different one-liner every time, each one funnier than the last. I can only *hope* that this experience helped to create my 60-years-later somewhat humorous approach to death.
[FairfieldLife] A treasure-trove for people who, like me, adore good packaging
Design elevated to the level of fun: http://www.messynessychic.com/2014/03/27/20-things-ill-buy-purely-perfect-packaging/
Re: [FairfieldLife] One for Michael
From: Michael Jackson To: "fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com" ; FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2014 7:09 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] One for Michael Man, that is awesome! I bet anything that whoever the night watchman was, he was kin to the owners els he would have been booted out. Nice hope, but completely unfounded. The night watchman, whoever he was, was clearly black, and underpaid, while the owners of the mortuary were anything but. He would stay on the line with us for quite some time, regaling us with tales of what "dealing with the dead" was really about. I would have *loved* to have met him, but unfortunately his late-night exploits were discovered by his employers, and he was fired. ---- On Thu, 3/27/14, TurquoiseBee wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] One for Michael To: "fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com" Date: Thursday, March 27, 2014, 5:25 PM I also posted to other forums the link about the "Dutch approach to dying," and today received a response (positive, but questioning its lasting value to the kids involved in a party in a crematorium) that made me remember the following true story as a response. Having growed up in the South, I thought you might appreciate it: In my youth, I once lived in Albany, GA, home of a funeral home owned by the Poteet family. One of the things one learned while growing up there was that you could call their number late at night and reach not an answering machine (they hadn't been invented yet), but the night watchman, who had a fondness for alcohol and for answering the phone with, "POTT! You kill 'em, we chill 'em" and similar one-liners. It was a different one-liner every time, each one funnier than the last. I can only *hope* that this experience helped to create my 60-years-later somewhat humorous approach to death.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Steven Seagall to Help Putin
From: "jr_...@yahoo.com" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2014 7:12 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Steven Seagall to Help Putin I agree Seagall is out of shape in this picture. But Putin is still thinking of the martial artist actor that Seagall was many years ago. Maybe a lot of Russians have been awed by Seagall's movies. I understand. Many people still imagine Maharishi as he first appeared with the Beatles. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Richard Simmons is at least in shape. Have you *seen* Steven Seagal lately? Suffice it to say the photo in the article is flattering. Here's another: From: Mike Dixon To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2014 2:00 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Steven Seagall to Help Putin Well... we could also send 'm Richard Simmons! On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 6:34 PM, "jr_esq@..." wrote: > It appears that Putin wants the Russian people to be in good physical shape just like the Stalin era. But would Seagall work for the CIA as an undercover agent? This whole business looks like a bad movie to me. But unfortunately this story is for real. http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/putin-wants-russians-to-get-in-shape-163450055.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Steven Seagall to Help Putin
Not at all. Merely aware of what will push the buttons of True Believers. Q.E.D. :-) From: "authfri...@yahoo.com" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2014 8:18 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Steven Seagall to Help Putin Hilarious. Talk about obsession! I agree Seagall is out of shape in this picture. But Putin is still thinking of the martial artist actor that Seagall was many years ago. Maybe a lot of Russians have been awed by Seagall's movies. I understand. Many people still imagine Maharishi as he first appeared with the Beatles.
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Experiment.
Sounds like a variant of Schoedinger's Cat. Was the spirit of the original cat still there in any of its descendents? :-) Speaking of Schroedinger's Cat, I saw a news story today that reminded me that to some extent people in modern society are a lot like that cat in the mystery box -- are we really alive, or not? The article was about a woman whose body was found in her house. This is not all that unusual, except that she appears to have been dead since 2009. No one noticed because all that time her bills were paid every month, and on time, electronically and automatically. From: "anartax...@yahoo.com" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 5:16 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Experiment. This reminds me of the following story: When the spiritual teacher and his disciples began their evening meditation, the cat who lived in the monastery made such noise that it distracted them. So the teacher ordered that the cat be tied up during the evening practice. Years later, when the teacher died, the cat continued to be tied up during the meditation session. And when the cat eventually died, another cat was brought to the monastery and tied up. Centuries later, learned descendants of the spiritual teacher wrote scholarly treatises about the religious significance of tying up a cat for meditation practice. - ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : That's really how the TMO "shoot the messenger" philosophy is taught: "That's just how things are done around here." From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 4:47 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] The Experiment.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC
From: "emilymae...@yahoo.com" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 6:14 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC I agree that there was definitely something about Rama. I don't really have a theory and come from a place of ignorance on the topic of "enlightenment" - having never studied, read about, or pursued such a state. However, people are born with different levels of sensitivity - that I believe, so I rested there in what I said..look at the writeup of Rick's latest interview. Emily, I was there. At Ground Zero. And while I agree with you that there was something about Rama, I have no more theories than you do as to what that "something" was. It was what it was, and that was at times a marvelous Disneyland E-ticket ride. If I remember him at all (which honestly, I don't do all that much), I try to remember the good parts of the ride. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : As I said previously, I've read autobiographies, and biographies of people who were said to be enlightened. A few that come to mind are Yogananda, Muktananda, Ramakrishna, Vivekenanda, with a very notable mention for Elizibeth Haich. I've read books by them, or about them, and I came way feeling that they were enlightened. Whatever enlightenment means. But whatever it is, I felt they had it. I had the same feeling when I read the transcripts of the interviews with Fred Lenz. What you speculate below makes as much sense as anything else. That of course is your take away. Now whether the enlightenment of a teacher gives way sex with students, or other activities not normally associated with being enlightened, I don't have an answer for it, and it doesn't negate the fact that they may be enlightened, at least for me. For me, I feel I've made the most progress spiritually when I don't attempt to judge people, places, or things. I try to look at things in a cool manner, and by doing so, I feel I sometimes gain particular insights. I think that may be something I picked up from the Carlos Castenades books. I'm a little tired so I can't remember accurately. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Re: I happen to be in the camp that thinks Fred had achieved a remarkable level of consciousnesses. I have no idea what that means, honestly"a remarkable level of consciousness." My sense is that he had skills and abilities that not everyone has...perhaps he was born with them, perhaps he discovered them along the way. Kind of like those people that have skills to communicate with animals, for example, they are just wired that way, or particularly sensitive in that certain way and able to recognize it. But, in Fred Lenz's case, he fell prey to his own narcissism and illusions and drug addictions, etc. andit didn't go well for him or for those who invested themselves in or with him as their "teacher" and "leader." ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Sure, I understand. I happen to be in the camp that thinks Fred had achieved a remarkable level of consciousnesses. For me it is based on the transcripts of two interviews he gave. Maybe going back, I might feel differently. But I've read my share of books on, or about, supposed enlightened people. Sometimes that quality really shines through. That was the feeling I was left with after reading the interviews. His practice of different siddhis? No idea But as you say, they were observed by many people. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Nope, I can't. But, I believe that Mark L. and others had the early experiences they did with Fred. I am not weighing in on the how or why of it all. Notice Steve, that I've left myself an enormous amount of wiggle room here using the phrase "altered perception." Many things can create an experience of altered perception - hypnosis, drugs, meditation, etc. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Emily, can you elaborate on how this typically works? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Why Richard, whydo you continue to obsess on Fred Lenz? Why oh why oh why? Rama had the ability to alter one's perception...well before the drugs took over. He's not the only one who had/has this ability. Get over it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : On 3/25/2014 8:44 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: I have no interest in "engaging" with you, Jim, for any reason whatsoever. You're a mental midget with psychological problems so severe that you feel the need to pretend that you're enlightened. What could there possibly be to talk about? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>The only person here "dodging and weaving" and "hiding" is y
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Experiment.
That's really how the TMO "shoot the messenger" philosophy is taught: "That's just how things are done around here." From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 4:47 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] The Experiment.
Re: [FairfieldLife] IS TM and Effortless Practice?
I don't have the time or inclincation to read through all of this, Michael. I skimmed it enough to know that I agree with some of it and disagree with some of it, especially the link between "laxity" and breath cessations at the end. I'm going to try to avoid any lengthy discussions on this thread because for me this is one of those "Been there, done that, got the T-shirt, and threw it away" subjects that has been done to death here so many times that I can't get interested in watching its death agonies again. For me, the whole issue of whether TM is effortless comes down to how its adherents would answer the question: "Does it take effort -- when you become aware that you have a choice about what to think about -- to decide to think about something else and then do it?" If they answer "Yes" to that question, then TM is not effortless, because that is its literal instruction: "When you become aware that you are not thinking the mantra, come back to it." If that process requires effort, then TM is not effortless. From: Michael Jackson To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 2:20 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] IS TM and Effortless Practice? Would like to know that all the TM teachers, both current and former think of this treatise on TM and its effortlessness: The first of these "lies" or deceptions about Transcendental Meditation (TM) that I'd like to talk about is the idea of effortlessness. It is often claimed that TM is "effortless" and that this somehow makes it superior to other forms of meditation that are not effortless and often (according to TM Org dogma) involve "straining". First of all, it's important to understand what effort and effortlessness mean within the context of traditional meditation. At the end of any path, the goal of meditation, meditating on some thing (a mantra, the breath, etc.) is accomplished and after that point one just merely has the intention to go into meditative absorption (or samādhi) and one can effortlessly enter that state: 1) when one desires to do so and 2) for as long as one wishes to. Before this point is attained one will need "props" or "supports" (Skt.: ālambana), as the sage Patanjali calls them, to dualistically interact with in order to fabricate briefer, earlier levels of meditative attention. Until one reaches the point of being able to enter samādhi at will and for whatever duration, one has not reached the point of meditation being effortless. In fact, if one is still relying on some technique or method (like TM) one is not at the level of true effortlessness. Actually the Sanskrit word Patanjali uses for meditation technique, prayatna, means "with effort"! So the claim that Transcendental Meditation is somehow superior to other forms of meditation because it is effortless is a lie. And a prominent one at that. The TM Org has consistently used this lie to imply that it's form of meditation is superior to all other forms of meditation out there. The honest truth is, TM is dualistic form of meditation, not a nondual form of meditation and therefore it must rely on some sort of prop, all of which require some modicum of effort. Mastering meditation means mastering the fine art of balancing ones attention. If meditation, esp. in the early stages becomes too lax, one simply falls asleep, a common defect in TM. The Buddha described this as like tuning a lute: you don't want the strings too tight or they'll break, nor do you want them too loose. You want them "just right". When a culture of faux-effortlessness becomes your dogma, there's always the danger (and I've seen this in many TMers) one will try to cultivate 'effortlessness' and fall into being too lax. Both Hindu and Buddhist meditation masters warn on the dangers of loosing the correct balance and simply becoming lazy. If one is trained to fear balancing one's attention (or the fear becomes institutionalized), there's even more of a danger of falling into laxity. Yogis (real yogis that is) describe this laxity as distinct from lethargy. Laxity is actually considered an obscuration to realization of the goals of meditation. And actually subtle laxity is considered the worst kind of slackness. One knows one is falling into subtle laxity when you have uncultivated pauses in the breath, a known (and believe it or not actually heralded) effect during Transcendental Meditation. What yogic wisdom tells us is this type of obscuration guarantees we will be unable to truly obtain a formless (and thus truly effortless) absorption.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Have A Nice Day :-)
They are reimbursed, but the check is drawn on the First National Bank of the Pleiades, so good luck cashing it. :-) From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 2:27 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Have A Nice Day :-) Are the farmers re-reimbursed for the loss of crop from all those circles. That would really piss me off if those showed up in my fields one morning. -Buck
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Have A Nice Day :-)
But if you think about it, waiting for the check to transfer would probably be better than waiting for an electronic bank transfer. because at the speed of light/electricity, it would take 440 years to complete. At least with the check you've got something to hold onto while waiting. :-) From: TurquoiseBee To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 2:33 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Have A Nice Day :-) They are reimbursed, but the check is drawn on the First National Bank of the Pleiades, so good luck cashing it. :-) From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 2:27 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Have A Nice Day :-) Are the farmers re-reimbursed for the loss of crop from all those circles. That would really piss me off if those showed up in my fields one morning. -Buck
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gee, I was born Gay!
Indeed. I mean, what could they have been up to in that life that made them such soreasses in this life. Oh. Never mind. :-) From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2014 8:25 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gee, I was born Gay! But what do people do in previous lives to be so narrow minded in this one? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I don't think so- Actually homosexuality has been explained thousands of years ago by the Eastern doctrine of Karma and Reincarnation. We are all the products of decisions we've made in previous lives; good, bad or indifferent! To think we just all of a sudden are born here like chickens hatched from eggs is silly to say the least. Yes, silly to say we are just born here, doesn't seem like that at all We all have pasts and our present circumstances are the results of decisions made in the past, yes, even homosexuality. So you see, we are all responsible for who and what we are!! Born with the propensity to be Gay? maybe, but due to your own choices in past lives. God or nature didn't make you Gay, that was YOUR choice! or so it says in Eastern Philosophy. Do you ever wonder why other people's sexuality bothers you so much?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC
From: "emilymae...@yahoo.com" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2014 3:56 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Fri 21-Mar-14 00:15:03 UTC Richard, is your point here that you believe Rama was a magician? O.K. If this brings you closure than go with it. Is this relevant to anything or anybody? I made my point and I'm letting it go. Try to do the same. You might feel better. Emily, there are only two reasons Willytex keeps harping on this. First, he's jealous of anyone who has had spiritual experiences he hasn't, which kinda includes everybody, but especially anyone who says he's witnessed siddhis being performed. Second, he keeps doing it in the hope he'll push my buttons and get a rise out of me. He does this because when I or anyone else is critical of Maharishi, that pushes *his* buttons. What he doesn't realize is that I got out of the "defending Rama" or even "defending my experiences with him" rut years ago. The other aspect of all of this that continues to baffle me, just for the record, is how incredibly hung up people seem to be on the flashy stuff, like levitation. I've been there, done that with witnessing that, and I really don't understand their obsession. We witnessed this kinda stuff so often that it quickly became ho-hum. And I was never there for the flash anyway; the reason I stuck around with the Rama guy for so long was because of what it was like to meditate with him (at least in the early years). Whatever else he may have been (including being a charlatan and more than a bit of a dick), he could meditate like gangbusters. There was no issue of "stilling thoughts" sitting in those rooms with him; the silence was so powerful that you simply *couldn't* have thoughts. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : On 3/28/2014 7:27 PM, emilymaenot@... wrote: > The point I was making to you is that it is false to continue to >> state that Barry was the *only* person to have the experience of Rama >> levitating. >> >According to Barry, the levitation was not REAL- it was just a Rama SIDDHI thing. A magician can do a lot when he is up on a stage in a dark lecture hall with assistants all around. It's not complicated. H.P Blavatsky apparently used to do these kinds of parlor tricks all the time. Go figure. There have been numerous reports of mass hysteria in many cult groups, resulting in cases of "group think" in which people all get stoned on psychedelics in a public park and proclaim they had just seen the Holy Ghost. This happened one time on Hippie Hill in Golden Gate Park in SF back in 1968. The experience was real, but it was just an illusion, since everyone knows that the Holy Ghost doesn't exist, according to Barry. Go figure. Have you ever seen a performance by David Blaine the American magician, illusionist and endurance artist?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What We Did Today
I think my family kinda nailed it. Once you understand that she's a psychotic cult bitch, what more is there to learn? From: Share Long To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2014 4:33 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What We Did Today Why do "we" all need to understand your opinion, Judy?! And even if "we" do, what then?! On Saturday, March 29, 2014 10:28 AM, "authfri...@yahoo.com" wrote: What we all need to understand about Share is that for her, avoiding acknowledging reality is a WIN; that's what she enjoys. It makes her feel SMART to mislead, to be disingenuous, to twist words, to obfuscate, even to lie outright. What she doesn't realize is that she's not very good at it, so it actually makes her look DUMB because what she's doing is so obvious. Ann, I said it was an interesting idea. That's not dismissing. I said I didn't agree. That's not dismissing either. More importantly, since it wasn't what you meant, that idea wasn't my focus. BTW, I also don't agree that it's a "straightforward" idea as you say. Emily, it's interesting that you say I'm using Apple because I'm communicating with people who are using Apple. Interesting but I don't agree. Also, I enjoy learning new stuff like that there are Apple stores and genius bars. As for uncomfortable feelings...tap, tap, tap... Hmm, interesting interpretation by Emily and one I had not thought of as a possibility when I conjectured that Sharon did not "use" an Apple computer. See, this is what I like about different people contributing to a thought or a conversation - they can bring to it all sorts of new dimensions and ideas. Now, what is also fascinating is to see Sharon dismiss, out of hand, the idea that she is "using" an Apple by reading and responding to posts made by Apple computers. On one level, of course she is using or, alternatively, utilizing the technology of an Apple because if it weren't for that type of computer Ann's or Emily's posts would not be able to be perceived here. It seems as if you, Share, have perhaps not considered this idea carefully enough. Or maybe you just feel like defying Emily for her rather straightforward and, might I add, challenging theory. Isn't this fun and enlightening? On Friday, March 28, 2014 6:22 PM, "emilymaenot@..." wrote: Ha ha ha. Blah, blah, blah. What Share, *what* is an "interesting perspective?" The fact that you do reduce things to "right and wrong?" Try this on for "interesting." Maybe you really *did* take the tiniest, barely noticeable, exception to the fact that Ann and I were teasing you about not knowing that Apple has stores and "genius bars," but you didn't want to admit it (that would require admitting to a possibly uncomfortable feeling), so, instead, you denied it and told her she was "wrong." ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Emily, that's a very interesting perspective. On Friday, March 28, 2014 1:56 PM, "emilymaenot@..." wrote: That's not the point Share. How do you know that "you do not use Apple computers" is a *true* statement? Depends on how you define the word "use" maybe? Maybe you "use" them indirectly as both Ann and I have Apple products that we "use" to post here and you are "using" my post to reply to. I'm not judging the "appropriateness" of your choice of "right" and "wrong", I'm just reminding you that, based on what you wrote, you *do* reduce things to "right" and "wrong", thus invalidating or rendering inconsistent your statement that you don't think like that. My answer to your answer is "I don't know." Smile. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : So Emily, when Ann wrote about me "you do not use Apple computers" what do you think would have been an appropriate answer?! On Friday, March 28, 2014 1:28 PM, "emilymaenot@..." wrote: Ok, if you say so. (RIGHT) I figure you are not very savvy technically (RIGHT) and that you do not use Apple computers.(RIGHT) I figure you did not know Apple Stores existed (RIGHT) nor did you realize how cool they are, all simplistic design, glass and that they call their computer experts "geniuses". (RIGHT) I figure you figure that getting out of FF twice a year amounts to some sort of cultural pinnacle (WRONG) and I figure you took exception to me making fun of the fact you don't know about Apple Stores.(WRONG) Is that enough figuring for one day do you think? (DON'T KNOW) Well Share, you indicated 5 rights, 2 wrongs, and 1 don't know. it appears that you *do* look at at least some things in a right and wrong kind of a way. Are you *sure* you know enough to use those terms, even as you apply them to you? Very black and white thinking, imho. I am surprised that you didn't know that Apple stores even existed! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Well Emily, Ann was making assumptions about me and I was giving her feedba
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What We Did Today
It is also accurate, and the most concise way to express it. I live with a family of writers. From: "emilymae...@yahoo.com" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2014 4:55 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What We Did Today It would be nice Turkey, if you would stop with the punk ass name calling. It is so uncreative; it is so rude. It is so unneccesary and reflects on you so badly. IMHO. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I think my family kinda nailed it. Once you understand that she's a psychotic cult bitch, what more is there to learn? From: Share Long To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2014 4:33 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What We Did Today Why do "we" all need to understand your opinion, Judy?! And even if "we" do, what then?! On Saturday, March 29, 2014 10:28 AM, "authfriend@..." wrote: What we all need to understand about Share is that for her, avoiding acknowledging reality is a WIN; that's what she enjoys. It makes her feel SMART to mislead, to be disingenuous, to twist words, to obfuscate, even to lie outright. What she doesn't realize is that she's not very good at it, so it actually makes her look DUMB because what she's doing is so obvious. Ann, I said it was an interesting idea. That's not dismissing. I said I didn't agree. That's not dismissing either. More importantly, since it wasn't what you meant, that idea wasn't my focus. BTW, I also don't agree that it's a "straightforward" idea as you say. Emily, it's interesting that you say I'm using Apple because I'm communicating with people who are using Apple. Interesting but I don't agree. Also, I enjoy learning new stuff like that there are Apple stores and genius bars. As for uncomfortable feelings...tap, tap, tap... Hmm, interesting interpretation by Emily and one I had not thought of as a possibility when I conjectured that Sharon did not "use" an Apple computer. See, this is what I like about different people contributing to a thought or a conversation - they can bring to it all sorts of new dimensions and ideas. Now, what is also fascinating is to see Sharon dismiss, out of hand, the idea that she is "using" an Apple by reading and responding to posts made by Apple computers. On one level, of course she is using or, alternatively, utilizing the technology of an Apple because if it weren't for that type of computer Ann's or Emily's posts would not be able to be perceived here. It seems as if you, Share, have perhaps not considered this idea carefully enough. Or maybe you just feel like defying Emily for her rather straightforward and, might I add, challenging theory. Isn't this fun and enlightening? On Friday, March 28, 2014 6:22 PM, "emilymaenot@..." wrote: Ha ha ha. Blah, blah, blah. What Share, *what* is an "interesting perspective?" The fact that you do reduce things to "right and wrong?" Try this on for "interesting." Maybe you really *did* take the tiniest, barely noticeable, exception to the fact that Ann and I were teasing you about not knowing that Apple has stores and "genius bars," but you didn't want to admit it (that would require admitting to a possibly uncomfortable feeling), so, instead, you denied it and told her she was "wrong." ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Emily, that's a very interesting perspective. On Friday, March 28, 2014 1:56 PM, "emilymaenot@..." wrote: That's not the point Share. How do you know that "you do not use Apple computers" is a *true* statement? Depends on how you define the word "use" maybe? Maybe you "use" them indirectly as both Ann and I have Apple products that we "use" to post here and you are "using" my post to reply to. I'm not judging the "appropriateness" of your choice of "right" and "wrong", I'm just reminding you that, based on what you wrote, you *do* reduce things to "right" and "wrong", thus invalidating or rendering inconsistent your statement that you don't think like that. My answer to your answer is "I don't know." Smile. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : So Emily, when Ann wrote about me "you do not use Apple computers" what do you think would have been an appropriate answer?! On Friday, March 28, 2014 1:28 PM, "emilymaenot@..." wrote: Ok, if you say so. (RIGHT) I figure you are not very savvy technically (RIGHT) and that you do not use Apple computers.(RIGHT) I figure you did not know Apple Stores existed (RIGHT) nor did you realize how cool they are, all simplistic design, glass and that they call their computer experts "geniuses". (RIGHT) I figure you figure that getting out of FF twice a year amounts to some sort of cultural pinnacle (WRONG) and I figure you took exception to me making fun of the fact you don't know about Apple Stores.(WRONG) Is that enough figuring for on
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What We Did Today
From: Share Long To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2014 5:32 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What We Did Today Judy, now you're sounding down right looney to me! For example, who is this "we" you're pretending speak for? Maybe it's the royal we. MPD we? I shall defer to Mark Twain: "Only kings, presidents, editors, and people with tapeworms have the right to use the editorial 'we.'"
Re: [FairfieldLife] Good news for Scientologists!
Ol Elron may have been a charlatan, but I have it on good authority that he was quite a child. Here is some footage to prove it: Playing at the Breakfast Table Playing at the Breakfast Table View on www.youtube.com Preview by Yahoo For those who demand slavish devotion to facts, this video (and others) are from an awesome dad who makes his home movies more fun: Dad Turns Videos Of His Toddler Into Insanely Cool Action Movies Dad Turns Videos Of His Toddler Into Insanely Cool ... James isn't your ordinary 3-year-old. He's a light saber-wielding, lava-jumping, LEGO- blastin' superhero. His dad, Daniel Hashimoto, is a Dreamworks animator... View on www.huffingtonpost... Preview by Yahoo From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2014 9:28 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Good news for Scientologists! Looks like the poor dupes who took the followers of Xenu at their word are finally getting the chance to read Russell Millers excellent book The Bare Faced Messiah: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2592414/The-book-Scientologists-kept-reading-27-years-Banned-biography-L-Ron-Hubbard-reveals-bizarre-sex-rituals-phony-war-record-racist-writings-church-founder.html It's a great read about a truly amazing person. But maybe not the person the "church" wants you to think he was, hence the 27 year battle by lawyers to keep it off the shelves. That's the big surprise to me, that the american love of free speech has been thwarted for so long. What were you thinking? Make it worthwhile and treat your selves to the book anyway, it's a marvellous read about a deluded fantasist who was so desperate to go down in history that he invented endless self-aggrandising lies about himself, little realising that most people would think his achievements are pretty extraordinary anyway. It's not everyone who can start a worldwide religion of devoted slaves. Just imagine having that sort of power, how can you not go crazy? __._,_.__
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield
From: Michael Jackson To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 31, 2014 12:36 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield Oh my God! Its happening - pulling away from its Hindu and then "it's all science" roots and tapping into the vague New Age ""it's all the Self" hoodoo! These TM'ers are SHAMELESS in selling the nostrums. On Mon, 3/31/14, nablusoss1008 wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, March 31, 2014, 9:18 AM http://www.experiencetheself.org/
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield
Michael, as I suggested in my earlier post about non-celebrity endorsements (https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/378005), if the TMO wants to "rebrand" TM to appeal to the masses, I think the most honest way they could do so would be to gather up a couple of months' worth of selected posts from the long-term TMers here on FFL. You could have Nabby talking about how all the Buddhists of the world are under the sway of their "Buddhists overlords" and so jealous of TMers that they mount non-stop attacks on them. You could follow that up with a bunch of grade-school-level insults from Judy Stein, picking on *another TMer* here just because she didn't want to be in her Robin clique. Maybe include a few posts from Richard Williams to make a point about how TM cures insanity. You could throw in a few posts from Buck about how cosmically important (yet humble) each of the thuds of Yogic Flyer butts hitting the foam is. Lawson could contribute a dozen posts in five minutes on the research about how TM cures Obsessive Compulsive Disorder. And Jim Flanegin could do a song-and-dance number about what it's like to be fully enlightened, while dressed in drag as "Enlightened Dawn." (Talk about lipstick on a pig!) There has to be 200+ years of collective TM experience leading to the things these six people post, and the things they focus on. I say let the obvious nature of what TM turned them into set an example for the newbies, to show them what they're likely to turn into. ____ From: TurquoiseBee To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Monday, March 31, 2014 5:00 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield From: Michael Jackson To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 31, 2014 12:36 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield Oh my God! Its happening - pulling away from its Hindu and then "it's all science" roots and tapping into the vague New Age ""it's all the Self" hoodoo! These TM'ers are SHAMELESS in selling the nostrums. On Mon, 3/31/14, nablusoss1008 wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, March 31, 2014, 9:18 AM http://www.experiencetheself.org/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Venture Fund
That was probably the problem with the rioting pandits, too...their upbringing. Nothing to do with TM at all... From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 31, 2014 9:14 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Venture Fund Actually the attorneys general protecting the general public have put most the crooked community meditators out of business either in to jail or barred from at least security business, some barred for life. It is not that these bad-minded ones were meditators but much more likely examples of asocial bad-upbringing. Much more likely they were victim of their poor upbringings from where ever they came from. Those crooked while certainly part of the old story of Fairfield, Iowa hardly represent the larger good of the meditating community of Fairfield, Iowa. Om, just to be a little more accurate about some things mentioned below for any outsiders looking in, it was [International Trading Group] ITG churning accounts with made up information that the SEC sanctioned. Telegroup was taking in good people's money from the community at their front door while loading it out the back door as they were filing for bankruptcy. Beckley's and his people was a different route of consumer fraud played on people. -Buck Yes, and thanks be to the Unified Field for the States Attorneys Generals out there doing the good work of protecting us all as the larger and civic [meditating] community from bad people doing bad things. -Buck Mjackson74 writes: I'd just as soon "invest" my money with Ed Beckley. There have been a bunch of them there in Fairfield, haven't there? My favorite TM business scam story to date is one that someone shared here right after I first began posting on FFL about the Movement asking for "investors" to create an ayurvedic clinic there in Fairfield and the investors would get their money back, plus profit sharing and discounts on products and services - and the minute the Movement had the money the immediately reneged on the deal, saying all the "investors" would be re-payed only with the discounts - no profits, no return of initial investments, nothing! My favorite! Duveyoung writes: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Venture Fund Telegroup? I would think they'd be ashamed to even mention the name. Crooks, liars and thieves sure love to do highfalutin' sounding enterprises. Is this another one? >>>Sorry guys, maybe your intents are pure, but look at the >>>track history of "faith-based" businesses in >>>Fairfield -- if you're not going to address all the >>>failures -- especially of the businesses that seemingly toed >>>the movement line, then, hey, you're just bullshitting >>>us. >>> >>>How'z about someone in this new group explains how >>>USAGlobalLink failed, or how it was okay for Kaplan to >>>"steal" the business of Reading's Fun from a >>>former partner or how Telegroup [ITG] "just made up their >>>advice" to their customers in order to churn the >>>accounts? >>> >>>BAH! >>
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Most Corrupt Town in America
From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 31, 2014 9:55 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Most Corrupt Town in America ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Or, the city government building should be built according to vastu rules which include the building entrance to face the rising Sun. That should make the city officials be more advanced in consciousness to abandon their evil ways. We need to do this on Skype. I can't tell if you've got a straight face or have mastered the art of snark. I had the same reaction. I thought to myself, "This *must* be ironic, right, because no one sane could actually believe this vastu stuff. But then I remembered some of the other things John has believed here. So it's a coin flip. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Maybe we could talk Buck into organizing a coherence group around Hampton and put an end to this evil of Kali Yuga!. On Sunday, March 30, 2014 7:47 PM, "jr_esq@..." wrote: That's Hampton, Florida. It made lots of money from speed traps. Any more questions? http://news.yahoo.com/hampton-florida-most-corrupt-town-in-america-153752763.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield
I would suggest (and in fact have done so several times) that what I and other people don't like about Judy Stein has pretty much *everything* to do with TM. And I defy her to present posts that disprove what she characterizes as my "caricature" portrayal of her. What is inaccurate about her stooping to grade-school levels to demonize a fellow TM supporter on this forum? She's been doing exactly that with Share since pretty much the first day Share broke away from her clique and started making her own decisions about who to like and who not to like on this forum. What is inaccurate about linking Judy's ongoing persecution of Share (literally *thousands* of posts by now trying to portray her as stupid and a LIAR) to Judy's imaginary boyfriend and cult leader Robin Carlsen? This persecution pretty much went into high gear when Share reacted to being tormented by Robin and stood up for herself. And of course this grade school behavior is not limited to Share -- just think of the number of insulting "pet names" she's chosen to call people over the years, from "Stupid Sal" to "Feebs" to...well, no need to list them...you remember them all. Perhaps Judy would like to post a more "accurate" bio of herself to give us a better picture of what *exactly* over 30 years of TM has done for her and the major accomplishments it's enabled her to make. For example, is it NOT true that she's a 70+-year-old woman who spends the vast majority of her time in her posts to Fairfield Life dumping on and criticizing other people? Is it NOT true that she almost never posts anything original or creative? What have her *accomplishments* been in those 70+ years? It seems to me, based on what she has posted here and on other forums, that they consist of living in a tiny apartment above a garage in New Jersey, eking out a living correcting writing done by other people, while never creating any of her own (except for her ongoing "criticisms" on the Internet, of course). In all of that time, I don't remember her ever having mentioned doing something with her "friends." Does she even have any? In all of that time, I don't remember her ever having mentioned doing anything for anyone else, other than write a check to a charity. She *certainly* hasn't ever taught TM, because she was so busy (presumably with "grading papers" and "correcting" other people on the Internet) that she never became a teacher. She never met Maharishi, even though she had decades of opportunity in which to do so. Another thing I don't think I've ever seen Judy deal with is what gives her the RIGHT to pick an obvious "enemy" on forums like FFL and then stalk them for months or years, claiming that it's all "criticism" and nothing more. Who ever named her an official "critic?" Maybe she'd like to explain that in the "bio" she's going to post now to "set things right." I would say that there is EVERY reason to consider the descriptions of her above accurate. I would further suggest that there is EVERY reason to link them to her TM practice. You know...the same practice that is supposed to make one "more in tune with the laws of nature" and "more harmonious" and such. TM is also supposed to make a person more happy and fulfilled, right? Is there ANYONE here who would describe Judy Stein -- based on her posting history here over the years -- as happy and fulfilled? ANYONE? One of the things that Judy might have learned if she had ever had what it takes to become a TM teacher and then work for peanuts trying to teach it full-time is that everything is Not About Her. Some of it is about helping other people...or at least doing what one thinks at the time might help other people. I defy her to post anything she has EVER done in her life that fits into that category. Another thing she might have learned had she become a TM teacher is that when you start becoming a "mouthpiece" for a spiritual technique or tradition, the people you're preaching to trying to convince them it's of value look at YOU as the EXAMPLE of what you're selling. You personify what you're selling. While *claiming* that she's not a True Believer, Judy *consistently* makes excuses for the bad behavior of the TM movement here, and tries to sell it here. Why shouldn't the people she's trying to sell it TO judge TM's worth based on HER behavior? From: "authfri...@yahoo.com" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 1, 2014 1:30 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield Barry's insulting caricatures of the people here he doesn't like (his critics) are not, in fact, even remotely accurate. Nor, BTW, does the practice of TM have anything whatsoever to do with what he doesn't like about us (our propensity to criticize him). Haven't you ever noticed that he has to deliberately make up things to dump on? That is actually pretty funny (and true) >Michael, as I suggested in my
Re: [FairfieldLife] Microbes exterminate life on Earth!
Oh, the ignominy of it all. 90% of all species on Earth wiped out by a bunch of farting microbes! From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 1, 2014 1:46 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Microbes exterminate life on Earth! Date: March 31, 2014 Source: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Summary: Methane-producing microbes may be responsible for the largest mass extinction in Earth's history. Fossil remains show that sometime around 252 million years ago, about 90 percent of all species on Earth were suddenly wiped out -- by far the largest of this planet's five known mass extinctions. It turns out that Methanosarcina had acquired a particularly fast means of making methane, and the team's detailed mapping of the organism's history now shows that this transfer happened at about the time of the end-Permian extinction. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/03/140331153608.htm?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+sciencedaily%2Ftop_news%2Ftop_science+%28ScienceDaily%3A+Top+Science+News%29&utm_content=FaceBook
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield
I am making two points. First, I think we all agree that a HUGE percentage of Judy's posts and putdowns seek to push out the idea that she is *superior* to those she's putting down or criticizing. She's smarter, she's more truthful, and she "knows" more than they do. I'm suggesting that she has no basis from which to argue that supposed superiority. As far as I can tell, she's a bitter old woman who corrects other writers' work for a living (and in New Jersey, ferchrissakes!), and has somehow decided that on the basis of this she has the right to correct *everyone's* writing. I'd like to see her provide a list of the actual, real-world accomplishments that make her as much of an "authority" as she seems to feel she has the right to be recognized as. I'm asking her to document what she's actually DONE in her life that makes her feel so superior. The second is that she *really doesn't get it* that, by constantly -- for close to two decades -- taking the TMO's "side" in any scandal or furor that arises, and by trying to sell TM -- again, for close to two decades -- she has *placed herself* in the role of apologist or shill for the TMO. No one else did this "to" her; she has chosen that role for herself. What I'm trying to get across to her is that BY taking that role upon herself, she has placed herself in the position that any TM teacher learned about years ago. That is, OF COURSE people are going to judge the product she's trying to sell by HER actions. By setting herself up as a constantly-supporting, constantly apologizing representative of the "TM way," she has unintentionally positioned herself as an EXAMPLE of what she is trying to sell. I'm just pointing out that the "example" she provides is a compulsively argumentative, chronically angry, and demonstrably obsessive grudge-holder whose whole life seems to revolve around "getting" the people who *don't* accept her as the "authority" she poses as. Does she actually believe that people will want to become LIKE her, and thus start TM as a result? If so, she's more psychotic (disconnected from reality) than I thought. From: "steve.sun...@yahoo.com" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 1, 2014 2:02 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield Yes, Barry, you list many truths here. I think the watershed moment for Judy in her adult life, and possibly her whole life, was Robin's arrival on FFL. No need to elaborate. I think she make good points on occasion,but overall her legacy will be that as a very mean person, who evidently does not believe in any meaningful degree of self reflection. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I would suggest (and in fact have done so several times) that what I and other people don't like about Judy Stein has pretty much *everything* to do with TM. And I defy her to present posts that disprove what she characterizes as my "caricature" portrayal of her. What is inaccurate about her stooping to grade-school levels to demonize a fellow TM supporter on this forum? She's been doing exactly that with Share since pretty much the first day Share broke away from her clique and started making her own decisions about who to like and who not to like on this forum. What is inaccurate about linking Judy's ongoing persecution of Share (literally *thousands* of posts by now trying to portray her as stupid and a LIAR) to Judy's imaginary boyfriend and cult leader Robin Carlsen? This persecution pretty much went into high gear when Share reacted to being tormented by Robin and stood up for herself. And of course this grade school behavior is not limited to Share -- just think of the number of insulting "pet names" she's chosen to call people over the years, from "Stupid Sal" to "Feebs" to...well, no need to list them...you remember them all. Perhaps Judy would like to post a more "accurate" bio of herself to give us a better picture of what *exactly* over 30 years of TM has done for her and the major accomplishments it's enabled her to make. For example, is it NOT true that she's a 70+-year-old woman who spends the vast majority of her time in her posts to Fairfield Life dumping on and criticizing other people? Is it NOT true that she almost never posts anything original or creative? What have her *accomplishments* been in those 70+ years? It seems to me, based on what she has posted here and on other forums, that they consist of living in a tiny apartment above a garage in New Jersey, eking out a living correcting writing done by other people, while never creating any of her own (except for her ongoing "criticisms" on the Internet, of course). In all of that time, I don't remember her ever having mentioned doing something with her "friends." Does she even have any? In all of that time, I don't remember her ever having mentioned doing anything for anyone else, other than write a check t
Re: [FairfieldLife] TM Mantras - Source?
Lawson, I think we all "get it" that you're a "TM science" junkie, and that you believe that "the science says it all" when it comes to TM. Well, as you've noticed, not everyone on this forum (including many long-term TMers) thinks that the "TM science" is solid enough to prove much of anything. The point I am making lately is that you seem unaware of a more pressing criterion that people use when evaluating non-stop claims about the "TM science." That is, what IS it that motivates someone to do it non-stop? Judging from your own posts here, what YOU seem to see as one of your primary ways to have fun is to try to start arguments about TM and its supposed science on Reddit and on other Internet forums. When these threads you post as argument-starters don't pan out the way you want them to, you tend to come back here to FFL and beg other people to go to these other forums to "join in." Doesn't this strike you as somewhat...uh...ODD behavior for a grown man? Doesn't it strike you as a bit...uh...fanatical? Doesn't it make you wonder about the person whose life seems to revolve around doing this, when there are so many other things to do with life? Doesn't it make you wonder about the claims that TM helps to make a person more "well-rounded" or "balanced" in life? Hint: the "TM science" ain't ever gonna "prove" diddley-squat if the people presenting it over and over and over and over and over in an obviously compulsive manner come across as cult fanatics. People are going to be tempted to weigh the messenger as much as they weigh the message. And in my opinion, they should. From: "lengli...@cox.net" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 1, 2014 12:32 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] TM Mantras - Source? Maharishi chose to use a subset of the mantras that are available,.presumably because his intuition said it was a sufficiently large subset to be useful. Upcoming research on TM using advanced EEG analysis should help make it more clear what it means to be "useful." In the meantime, the TM organization is apparently embracing Alaric Arenander's idea that TM centers should start to do public demos of EEG coherence as part of introductory lectures on TM. Here's the main excerpt of the Maharishi Global Family Chat presentation he made: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyITv-rIDzk&list=UU0iwNoV7Sptxi1qqWz_R9IA The EEG shown in the video looks to be pretty darned unusual. Certainly, looking at the EEG described in papers published about other meditation practices, it is inescapable to conclude that the EEG found in long-term TMers and long-term practitioners of other techniques are as different as night and day with respect to what starts to show up the longer one has been practicing the various techniques. TM really IS different than other practices that have been studied, with respect to EEG. TM researchers aren't able to get guys like Dietrich Lehmann and Roberto Pascual-Marqui to participate (or so the rumor goes) in multiple EEG studies on advanced TMers because they're excessively charismatic or something. These guys are teh very tip-top in their field. If these guys decide to study something, it is because they think it is interesting and unusual, both. http://www.uzh.ch/keyinst/index/members/lehmann/cv11.htm http://www.uzh.ch/keyinst/loreta.htm L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Did I not say that beej mantras are commonly used in astrology not to mention ayurveda? But few westerners had penetrated that information back with MMY started TM. Funny thing it is not uncommon to find that people's names start with the sound associated with their birth star (nakshatra) even if they are westerners and their parents knew nothing about astrology. As Graffitiswami might say: Go figure. On 03/30/2014 07:44 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: > The comments section is well worth reading, esp the long one from John: http://www.wildmind.org/mantras/figures/tm The origin of the TM Bija mantras (seed sounds) are to be found in the so called “Hoda Chakra” which is printed and reprinted in virtually all the published astrological almanachs in India. The Hoda Chakra lists 108 seed sounds, each one allotted to the 4 padas of the 27 star constellations (Nakshatras).All this is well known in India. Mostly it is used in the selection of Names,based on the Moon’s position in a particular Nakshatra Pada. In an advanced version of the TM, this astrological information (position of the Moon at birth) is used also for selecting the seed sounds.Actually, what is known and practiced as the TM is part of the a large and complex system. Perhaps less than 1% of this has filtered through the contemporary TM movement.
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield
From: Share Long To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Tuesday, April 1, 2014 5:07 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield Thanks, Judy, I was replying to the connotation of the word apologist as I interpreted it in what Michael was saying. It does seem to have had, from the beginning, the connotation of defending a belief or idea that is somewhat unreasonable and or unproveable. Share, I would say that if you add the word "compulsively" before the word "defending...," you've nailed it exactly in your last phrase. Or do you actually believe that claiming to be able to teach people to fly or that bouncing around on one's butt can affect crime rates or the weather or that charging people tens of thousands of dollars to have brown boys chant to Hindu gods to heal their ills and make their businesses prosper are either "reasonable" or "provable?" :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Venture Fund
From: nablusoss1008 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 1, 2014 5:18 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Venture Fund As much as I appreciate your call for decency it seems you've fallen in the same trap as the Turq who believe there are tons of lurkers here eagerly awaiting his "raps". There aren't. Only a handful of people read this stuff. While this may be true, I happen to know that at least four of them are reporters, because they have written to me offline asking me to comment on stories they're working on. You forget about Google, and how it tends to make recent discussions of the thing you're researching pop to the top of its "hit list." For the record, I have steered all four of them to more appropriate sources for the information they're seeking, since I haven't been part of the TM organization for so long. I am hoping that at least a few of them will finally break the story of the "pandit project" as the multi-million-dollar profit-making machine it really is, raking in the Big Bucks for yagyas while paying the pandits pennies. *Literally* pennies...a maximum of 63 cents per hour. That is the story that Goldstein and the TMO tried the hardest to hide during the recent "pandit riots" furor, so that is the story that most needs to come out.
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield
Ann's just a born stalker. She stalked Robin to FFL after what...20 years of NOT getting over him. And now she'll continue to stalk anyone else who blows her off and refuses to interact with her. It's just her M.O. From: Michael Jackson To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 1, 2014 7:12 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield you ignore your own advice every time you rail at Barry On Tue, 4/1/14, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 1, 2014, 3:03 PM ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : And yet were I to aim this "anger" at a corrupt government or a corrupt corporation like Monsanto you would applaud me. Maybe, maybe not. It would depend upon whether I agreed with you that it was corrupt or not and I would have to consider your reasoning for why you would believe so. You're also assuming I think Monsanto is "corrupt". You deal with your TM past as you like and I'll deal with mine as I see fit. That seems like an obvious statement. I didn't ask you for advice as to how to live my life and I am not gonna offer you any, unless you would like to take a spoonful of your own suggested medicine and deal with your anger toward Barry rather than continue to revile him, otherwise you won't as you say, " be able to move on and forget about it all." I am still interested in knowing what aspect of your own gullibility for what the Movement fed you led you to feel the way you do now? You haven't actually addressed anything I brought up in my post to you, but rage on since it seems to make you feel better. And as for Bawwy, the moment he shows any tendency or ability to elevate himself above his shallow and mean-spirited fantasy world I am all ears. After all, if your unsolicited advice is good for the gander, its bound to be good for the goose too. I am not sure I was giving you advice. I was making an observation based on what I have learned in my life. If you don't think it applies to you then slough it off and carry on. I'm still not sure where you're going with it all but if you're willing to keep carrying the baggage around, be my guest. I have a few bags of my own you could carry if you'd like to add to your load. Here is what I think. I think anyone who is bitterly disappointed about something is someone who fell lock, stock and barrel for something - whether it be a risky investment, the promises of a lover or the teachings of a guru. I think bitterness follows upon gullibility. I also think those who "blame" somebody or something to the degree to which you blame MMY and the Movement is someone who had stars in their eyes and was naive. I like you Michael but you need to take some responsibility for what you feel and why you feel it when it comes to TM. You should have been more objective, less idealistic and less naive and if so you may have been able to let it all go by now. Until you take responsibility for your own part in how much of the TM propaganda you swallowed you won't be able to move on and forget about it all.
Re: [FairfieldLife] FFL featured on Oprah today
From: Bhairitu To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 1, 2014 8:07 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] FFL featured on Oprah today Oprah will be showing a segment about our very own Fairfield Life including interviews with Rick, Alex and other locals including Share, Doug and Feste. If true, I guess this would put the lie to the "no lurkers" theory. :-) After all, where would you go if you were interested in getting the whole story about a group that has been accused of being somewhat cult-like? Only to the "controlled speech" sites related to the group, or to some of the "free speech" sites related to the group as well? Reporters have, after all, been haunting the anti-Scientology sites for years hoping for leads for their exposes. I think it's kinda cool, actually, one of those benefits that the Internet has brought to us. There was a time before the Net when spin-meisters and spiritual fascists could effectively derail any criticism by making it appear to disappear. Not as easy in this new "tell all" age. On the other hand, I'm fairly convinced this is an April Fools joke from Bhairitu. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield
Please explain to us what is a "lie," Jude. After all, hasn't Ann admitted that the only reason she ever came to Fairfield Life in the first place is that she'd heard that Robin was posting here? You know...Robin...the guy who'd she last seen when he accused her of being demonically possessed in public and kicked her out of his organization and written her off forever, after which she went to the newspapers to blow the whistle on his cult in retaliation? Sure sounds a little like a stalker mentality to me. Please spin it a different way...if you can... As for "rage," I shall allow lurkers to decide who sounds more "enraged" -- you and Ann, or moi... :-) From: "authfri...@yahoo.com" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 1, 2014 8:12 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield BARRY IS A LIAR. He knows none of this is true. His rage is truly out of control today. Ann's just a born stalker. She stalked Robin to FFL after what...20 years of NOT getting over him. And now she'll continue to stalk anyone else who blows her off and refuses to interact with her. It's just her M.O. >
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield
From: TurquoiseBee To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Tuesday, April 1, 2014 8:31 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield Please explain to us what is a "lie," Jude. After all, hasn't Ann admitted that the only reason she ever came to Fairfield Life in the first place is that she'd heard that Robin was posting here? You know...Robin...the guy who'd she last seen when he accused her of being demonically possessed in public and kicked her out of his organization and written her off forever, after which she went to the newspapers to blow the whistle on his cult in retaliation? Sure sounds a little like a stalker mentality to me. Please spin it a different way...if you can... As for "rage," I shall allow lurkers to decide who sounds more "enraged" -- you and Ann, or moi... :-) Just as a followup point having to do with "rage," has anyone noticed how Judy, Ann, Nabby, and Jim tend to have NO PROBLEM speculating about me and others they don't like here, based only on what they've read in my (our) posts, but seem to go batshit crazy when someone does exactly the same thing to them? One of the hallmarks of Narcissistic Personality Disorder, BTW, is a tendency to react to someone criticizing them by refusing to believe it's honest criticism. NPD sufferers almost always try to insist that the person saying things about them that don't fit their inner image is "lying," because that's easier for their fragile egos to accept than accepting the fact that this is how someone actually sees them... From: "authfri...@yahoo.com" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 1, 2014 8:12 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield BARRY IS A LIAR. He knows none of this is true. His rage is truly out of control today. Ann's just a born stalker. She stalked Robin to FFL after what...20 years of NOT getting over him. And now she'll continue to stalk anyone else who blows her off and refuses to interact with her. It's just her M.O. >
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield
From: Pundit Sir To: Richard J. Williams Sent: Tuesday, April 1, 2014 8:56 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield Common sense would indicate that levitation is impossible. If that is true, then most of the people on this forum have demonstrated a rather formidable lack of common sense, because they paid thousands of dollars to the TM organization, which promised to teach them how to levitate. Basically, anyone who paid Big Bucks to learn the TM Sidhi Program who now claims that levitation is impossible is a hypocrite.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Quiz time!
I got ten out of ten. But then, I watched "Lie To Me" and read the books it was based on. :-) From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 1, 2014 9:32 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Quiz time! We all love a quiz at FFL. Pit your wits against the Grauniad's "compound emotion" photos. How many can you identify: Can you tell how people are feeling from their expressions? Quiz Can you tell how people are feeling from their expressio... Scientists have compiled a list of 21 "compound emotions" - such as angry sadness - but can we actually recognise them? Take our quiz View on www.theguardian.com Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] The Riddle of the Scorned Stalker
From: "awoelfleba...@yahoo.com" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 2, 2014 6:01 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Quiz time! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I got ten out of ten. But then, I watched "Lie To Me" and read the books it was based on. :-) Bawwy you are amazing. Will you marry me? No, but I'll tell you a riddle... Two women got dumped by the guys they were fixated on. The first put all her efforts into trying to destroy the guy who had dumped her. The second put all her efforts into trying to win the guy who had dumped her back. So which was the stalker? Both. The object of both women's efforts was to win back the attention of the guy who dumped her. The End
