[FairfieldLife] Self referal term
Can someone elaborate on the Self Referral attribute of the Self. Also do we know it to be true or is it part of the Ved belief system? ( I understand it but when I was trying to explain to someone I got stuck :) ) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Self referal term
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Can someone elaborate on the Self Referral attribute of the Self. > > Also do we know it to be true or is it part of the Ved belief system? > > ( I understand it but when I was trying to explain to someone > > I got stuck :) ) > > > > The only attribute the Self really has is Self Referral (awareness). > you either have them all (i.e. intelligence, mercy.., all dualities ) or have none of them depends on your POV. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Self referal term
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Can someone elaborate on the Self Referral attribute of the Self. > > Also do we know it to be true or is it part of the Ved belief system? > > ( I understand it but when I was trying to explain to someone > > I got stuck :) ) > > > > The only attribute the Self really has is Self Referral (awareness). > you either have them all (i.e. intelligence, mercy.., all dualities ) or have none of them, depends on your POV. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Self referal term
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Can someone elaborate on the Self Referral attribute of the > Self. > > > > Also do we know it to be true or is it part of the Ved belief > > system? > > > > ( I understand it but when I was trying to explain to someone > > > > I got stuck :) ) > > > > > > > > > > The only attribute the Self really has is Self Referral > > (awareness). > > > > > > > you either have them all (i.e. intelligence, mercy.., all > > dualities ) or have none of them depends on your POV. > > > > Self has no POV... > Or the Self has them all. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Paris Burning?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Kenny H" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > Well, fwiw, I just spoke with my 27 year old niece who lives in the > > heart of Paris and she said that what is actually going on over there > > is nothing like the press here in the U.S. has made it out to be. She > > recently watched CNN and could not believe how exaggerated they made > > it out to be. And that the "reporter" from CNN completely ignored the > > French person he was interviewing and kept hypersensationalizing it, > > in spite of what was being said straight from someone who lives > there. how do you say self denial in French? BTW, anyone know why TurquoiseB stopped posting? is it related? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Fw: [TMTrue] questions asked by non-Muslims
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[FairfieldLife] Fiscal train wreck feared
On the cover of my local newspaper today (big city in a big state) is the headline, "Fiscal train wreck feared: Experts say lurking U.S. crisis may spur market plunge, pension losses, lower standard of living." For some reason (control of the media?) it is not only not on the newspaper's website but nowhere on the Internet that I can find. However, there are many sites with essentially the same information. Here's one link, of many, I came up with and also a short segment of the article. * http://news.minnesota.publicradio.org/features/2005/10/17_mccalluml_deficit/ Federal budget experts speaking at a conference in Minneapolis offered a bleak forecast for the nation's fiscal health. The panel included representatives from both conservative and liberal organizations. Despite their political differences, they generally agreed the country faces a looming financial crisis, and elected officials aren't making the tough choices required to fix the problem. The panel spoke at the University of Minnesota's Humphrey Institute on Monday Minneapolis, Minn. U.S. Comptroller General David Walker doesn't mince words when talking about the nation's financial condition. "We are on an imprudent and unsustainable path. Every day, it's getting worse," says Walker, who heads the Government Accountability Office, which audits the federal government. Larger view Image Brian Riedl Walker says most of the U.S. budget is on autopilot, consumed by the three massive entitlement programs of Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid. Walker says the budget deficit is down from last year's record high of $412 billion, but he warns the deficit could still balloon in the future, as 77 million baby boomers hit retirement age. "We have not yet begun to face the demographic tidal wave -- the demographic tsunami, if you will -- associated with the retirement of my generation, the baby-boom generation," according to Walker. Walker says rising health care costs threaten to bankrupt the country long-term. He's also concerned about the cost of the Medicare prescription drug benefit set to begin in January. Walker and other budget experts say the situation isn't hopeless if elected officials are willing to confront the problem. But the solutions aren't easy. Isabel Sawhill, director of Economic Studies at the liberal Brookings Institution, says the nation can't simply rely on economic growth to generate enough taxes to solve the problem. She says there is some federal pork that can be cut, but simply trimming spending won't close the gap. "Eventually taxes must be raised and spending cut. The sooner that's done, the less costly and painful it will be, and we need presidential leadership and bipartisan compromise to get all of that done," says Sawhill. We have not yet begun to face the demographic tidal wave ... associated with the retirement of my generation -- the baby-boom generation. - U.S. Comptroller General David Walker Sawhill says both Republicans and Democrats will have to fix the problem together, to provide political cover for making the tough choices. Brian Riedl, the lead budget analyst at the conservative Heritage Foundation, says there's not much appetite for that among lawmakers in Washington. "There is not much courage out there," according to Riedl. "They will go whichever way the wind is blowing on a lot of these issues. And if they're not hearing it from the grassroots, and they're not hearing any pressure, they're going to focus on the political calendar, they're not going to focus on the long term." Riedl and other budget experts say without public pressure, Congress and the president will delay the difficult decisions. The panel members said they want to see more public debate on the nation's fiscal woes. But Riedl acknowledges that won't make the medicine any easier to swallow. "Like an alcoholic, the first thing you have to do it admit you have a problem ... The flip side of it is, Americans are vehemently opposed to every possible solution," he says. Riedl's organization has critized the Bush administration for the growth in government spending. But Riedl gives President Bush credit for proposing Social Security reform, even though the plan went nowhere. Riedl says reforming the entitlement programs is critical. For example, he says the Medicare drug benefit should be limited to low-income seniors. But unless elected leaders reduce the nation's fiscal obligations, future generations will face the consequences of an ever-expanding federal debt. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Fairfiel
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fiscal train wreck feared
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > On the cover of my local newspaper today (big city in a big state) > > > is the headline, "Fiscal train wreck feared: Experts say lurking > > > U.S. crisis may spur market plunge, pension losses, lower standard > > > of living." > > > > Reported on CNN this afternoon as well, very > > gloomily. > > > > Yes, the "news" organizations thrive on conflict and failure. All of > this; the 'bird flu', and bad this and bad that, and be afraid of this > and be afraid of that, is so *incredibly* selective. > I'm declaring it a massive conspiracy of muddy consciousness; the > hideousness of small minds. i agree that it is the hideousness of small minds but that doesn't mean that what is being said is not the real truth. these small minds have created this vast mess and don't seem the slightest bit interested in helping anyone except each other get out unscathed. people in dire poverty are getting poorer while those with money stand by and add more money to their coffers. what's small about that? people who worked for 40 years and saved every possible penny find out their pension no longer exists. that's not small. > ourselves so often as powerless victims, as occupants of a large, > fearful cesspool, as 90% goners. > > Not me. Not you. Not any of us. > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Bushenomics
http://www.commondreams.org/views05/1115-34.htm Bushenomics by Larry Beinhart It is truly time to change the way we speak about this administration's economic policies. The old words -- conservative, liberal, Keynesian, stimulus, supply side, job creation, deficits, deficit reduction and so on -- just swirl around and help them hide the truth in the fog. Bushenomics is something different. It is also very simple. Bushenomics is the use of the government to take regular people's money and give it to rich people and corporations. The genius of Bushenomics has been selling it to the voters as something that's good for them. Any appearance of benefits to low and middle income people -- or for that matter to the country as a whole -- is only there to sell the programs. Any actual benefits will be more than offset by increases in other taxes, the loss of services and by the accumulation of debts. The story that tax cuts for the rich will stimulate the economy so much that it will solve all problems is bogus. It was originally called Trickle Down economics, an inadvertently apt right wing euphemism for piss on everyone else. It was changed to Supply Side Economics. The old Bush called it voodoo economics. The current Bush calls each tax cut a "jobs and stimulus" package. This Bush even maintains that it works. In the words of the White House website, in bold face and using title case, "the president's policies have helped create jobs, growth, and opportunity." Compared to what? The president would like us to compare it to an imaginary alternative world called how-much-worse-it-would-have-been-without-my-initiatives. But it makes more sense to look for some real world comparison. The closest thing in time and kind is the previous administration. Under Clinton, 18,000,000 new jobs were created. The Dow Jones average was 320% higher when he left office than it was when he came in. The budget had gone from a record deficit to the first surplus since 1969. Under Bush the only increase in jobs has come from government expansion. There has actually been a decrease in the number of private sector jobs. Adjusted for inflation, the Dow Jones has gone down about 8.6%. Ronald Reagan changed course after one year. Bush's policies have failed to fulfill their promises year after year for five years. Why does this administration persist? If we use their language -- stimulus and jobs and tax cuts lead to deficit reduction -- or the standard language of economics, the discussion disintegrates into a food fight, except that it's statistics and buzz words being thrown around the lunch room. If we forget all that, just look at what they've done, then make up our own description, it's clear and simple. The tax policies unarguably favor the wealthy. They especially favor unearned income, dividends, capitol gains and inheritances, money that accrues as you sip Campari on the veranda of the Splendido in Portofino. Their spending also favors the rich. Also at the expense of the rest of us. The Medicare package has the bizarre requirement that the government has to buy pharmaceuticals from the drug companies at the highest possible price. That means it is requiring us to pay the highest possible price. The $12.3 billion energy bill was a triumph for special interests and was followed, shortly thereafter, by $3 a gallon gas at the pump and record profits for the oil industry. If the privatization of Social Security had been successful, it would have taken money that now goes from people to people through the government and sent it off to corporations. The process would have incurred gigantic interim debts that taxpayers would have had to pay for. The reconstruction fund for Iraq originally had neither oversight nor controls and the people who handled the money were specifically exempted from ever being prosecuted. Funds for the reconstruction of the Gulf Coast were original offered as no-bid contracts with guaranteed profits. They argued that it was a matter of urgency, but they had time to try to break the rule that requires contractors to pay the prevailing wage. The privatization of the armed forces means that about 30% of the cost of military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan goes directly to private contractors. It is, of course, hard to believe that our elected leaders would be cynical enough to use the government primarily to enrich the rich, without really caring of it creates social benefits. Especially if it's true that they will leave huge debts behind, a mess for others to clean up or to suffer with. It's hard to believe unless we are familiar with the private careers of George Bush and Dick Cheney. Bush ran a series of companies. He, personally, always made money. They all went bankrupt. He never seems to have had any regrets and could always find more money to lose. Then he organized the purchase of the Texas Rangers baseball team. His group got the city of Arlington to pass a special tax to build a stad
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF 'deeksha', Kalki cult, Chalanda Ma
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Thanks, Doug. I've had deeksha from the Kalki group > and am looking to get some from the Chalanda Ma group > as soon as possible. If I like it, I'll learn how to > give it myself. > Dear Gull, Please give us a report! I'm very interested to see if the dikshas are the same. Chalanda Ma charges $44 to learn how to give it, compared to $5500 via the Kalki group. Thanks! anon3 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Does anyone really care about
most of the stuff being posted ad nauseum here on FFLife? every day, over and over, the same issues for years now. more than that, folks, for example, *sparaig" (sorry to pick on you but...) has to comment on every single other comment that everyone has also commented on. Sometimes long lines of posts/e-mails are from spairaig and most of them say little to nothing. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Does anyone really care about
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > You're reading every single > post I wrote since I got on this forum? > There are people who post regularly and are selective about posting when they are going to contribute something meaningful, tehrefore, when I see that they have posted I go out of my way to read what they say. You, on the other hand, like Ingegerd said, seem to take great delight in using your red ink pen to say something about everything. Who cares about a significant portion of what you write? Be more selective, settle down, find another hobby, something, but try to limit your posts way down. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/u8TY5A/tzNLAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Does anyone really care about
Akasha 108 will return when his ego and intellect achieve full enlightenment. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > on 11/19/05 3:33 PM, anonymousff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > >> > > >> > > >> You're reading every single > > >> post I wrote since I got on this forum? > > >> > > > > > > There are people who post regularly and are selective about > posting > > > when they are going to contribute something meaningful, > tehrefore, > > > when I see that they have posted I go out of my way to read what > they > > > say. You, on the other hand, like Ingegerd said, seem to take > great > > > delight in using your red ink pen to say something about > everything. > > > Who cares about a significant portion of what you write? Be more > > > selective, settle down, find another hobby, something, but try to > > > limit your posts way down. > > > > Just as any king has to have a court jester, maybe every chat > group has to > > have someone who over-posts. Ron Fried used to fulfill the role. > He dropped > > out after Mark Meredith posted a hilarious satire: > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/files/Humor%20and% > 20Satire/Ronol > > ogy/ > > > > Or > > > > http://tinyurl.com/4o3u7 > > > > I'm not saying we want sparaig to drop out. Just me more > discriminating. If > > nothing else, his motivation could be the desire to have people > read his > > (fewer) posts rather than skip them all.>>. > > Did you notice that Akasha 108 dropped out after I posted a satire > about his never-ending cut and pastes about housing prices. I didn't > intend him to drop out but I guess he only wanted to discuss the > future housing market and nothing else. > > OffWorld > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Does anyone really care about
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > most of the stuff being posted ad nauseum here on FFLife? > > > > every day, over and over, the same issues for years now. > > > > more than that, folks, for example, *sparaig" (sorry to pick on you > > but...) has to comment on every single other comment that everyone > has > > also commented on. Sometimes long lines of posts/e-mails are from > > spairaig and most of them say little to nothing.>>> > > > Do pray tell anonymousff where you have posted something of note and > worthy of the FFL postings. Please point to a worthy post of yours > anonymousff, and enlighten us with what kind of post we should be > sticking to. > > We eagerly await your leading by example. > > OffWorld > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/79669 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/u8TY5A/tzNLAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Does anyone really care about
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Nov 20, 2005, at 8:31 AM, sparaig wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > [...] > > >> OffWorld is a migrant from alt.m.t?? > > >> > > > No, he's a casualty of you and I migrating here from a.m.t. and > > > destroying the amicable community of posters here... > > sparaig , you make me sleepy. your obssesion postings need a check by an admin Dr. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] my conclusion
is that TM basically will make your ego expand and inflated, that could be harmful or can be good depending on the direction of your ego. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] The 15 enemies of the Internet and other countries to watch
http://www.rsf.org/article.php3?id_article=15613. I was surprised to see US here. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi is Hanuman - Frank Lotz
Sorry, Maharish cannot be Hanuman as my old friend, Russell (Rusty) Hoffman is now Hanuman Hoffman. They'll have to fight over it in court. -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > From: "frank lotz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 15:21:49 +0100 (CET) > Subject: Regarding Bhakti > > > How dear to the hearth of everyone from us our Hanumanjie is! > Once I had an experience, it was in spring 1973 in Interlaken, Switzerland. I was walking behind Maharishi (at that time I was potwasher in the movement, still I am a potwasher) and suddenly I saw behind Maharishi's back a tail coming out. I was shocked and a bid afraid. > At this time I had no knowledge about dear Râm or who Hanuman-jie was or is! >Now, I believe and know it really Maharishi is Shiva/Hanuman-jie Incarnate. >All Glory to the Bhakti of Shri Hanumanjie. >My He guide always and forever Maharishi's Movement > Hari Bol > > Hari Râm Hari Gopala Hari > My dear sweet Lord > >Frank lotz >[Governor of Enlightenment] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Chopra and Meditation (was Re: Charlie Donahue)
Haven't been following this thread, so my apologies if what I have to say is redundant. Dr. David Simon is the doctor/former-TM governor who invited Dr. Chopra to La Jolla and who has worked with him in partnership since. Around 1994 or 1995, David Simon told a friend the following: When Dr. Chopra first came out to California, he and Dr. Simon were referring their clients to the tmo to learn TM. But clients would come back complaining about the high price (what was it, about $1000 back then?) So then Dr. Chopra and Dr. Simon would advise them that there were TM teachers in the area willing to teach TM for less and give them names. After awhile, they received a letter from tmo national saying that they were circumventing the tmo and going against mmy's wishes, and perhaps, after all, it was a good thing that Dr. Chopra had severed relations with the tmo and mmy, and would they please stop recommending to people to go to TM teachers who were not working through the tmo and not charging the full price. It was after this that the two doctors decided to develop their own meditation so as to fully sever the relationship to the tmo. I believe that what they taught involved the use of a mantra chosen from a list of 108 mantras based on nakshatras. They called what they were teaching "Primordial Sound". This was an interesting coincidence, considering that Dr. Chopra was teaching a "Primordial Sound" technique when he was working under the auspices of the tmo. On being asked about this coincidence of technique name, Dr. Simon responded that nothing that Dr. Chopra was teaching since leaving the tmo had come from Maharishi. Whether or not that was true, it certainly identifies how Dr. Simon, and probably Dr. Chopra felt about the situation. Maybe it is not so coincidental that mmy never tried to resurrect the primorial sound, bliss technique or psychophysiological techniques that Dr. Chopra was teaching through MAPI. Maybe Dr. Chopra had more "ownership" or "authorship" of them than mmy did in some way. But, in any case, there were not 108 primordial sounds when they were being taught through MAPI. So something had changed, if not the name. anon --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "markmeredith2002" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > What I find interesting about Chopra is that when he left the > Movement > > > he went down on record as saying: No, I don't want to compete > with > > > Maharishi and I'm not interested in teaching meditation. > > > > > > Had he stuck to that, I would have had a lot of respect for the > guy. > > > > Chopra's version is that he and MMY agreed he should work more > > independently due to too much infighting coming from the inner > > circlers against chopra plus Chopra would have more credibility > > promoting ayurved if he was not directly employed and associated > with > > the tmo. Then a week later, bevan sends out the message to all > > centers declaring chopra persona non grata within the tmo and > > generally promoting all the spin and rumors against him. Chopra > > couldn't get MMY to rein in the negative campaigning so he felt > had no > > responsibility to promote tmo's programs. > > > > I can certainly empathize with Chopra vis a vis his own programs and > whether or not the Movement -- and the Upper Snots -- acted like > pricks with him, which they probably did. And I have no problem > with Chopra promoting, selling and making oodles of cash off of > those programs. > > I do have a problem with him creating and then selling his own brand > of TM which from all appearances he has done, particularly since I > have seen a quote from him at the time he left the movement that he > had no interest in doing so. I wish I could find the quote and > reproduce it here. > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Chopra and Meditation (was Re: Charlie Donahue)
An addendum to the last note: All of the information presented is about 10 years old, so it's not certain how much of it is still valid. However, 10 years ago, Dr. Simon said that they were using a puja, but not a guru puja. It might have been a puja to Lord Shiva or something like that. Dr. Simon would do the puja and Dr. Chopra would teach the meditation. anon --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Haven't been following this thread, so my apologies if what I have > to say is redundant. > > Dr. David Simon is the doctor/former-TM governor who invited Dr. > Chopra to La Jolla and who has worked with him in partnership since. > Around 1994 or 1995, David Simon told a friend the following: When > Dr. Chopra first came out to California, he and Dr. Simon were > referring their clients to the tmo to learn TM. But clients would > come back complaining about the high price (what was it, about $1000 > back then?) So then Dr. Chopra and Dr. Simon would advise them that > there were TM teachers in the area willing to teach TM for less and > give them names. After awhile, they received a letter from tmo > national saying that they were circumventing the tmo and going > against mmy's wishes, and perhaps, after all, it was a good thing > that Dr. Chopra had severed relations with the tmo and mmy, and > would they please stop recommending to people to go to TM teachers > who were not working through the tmo and not charging the full > price. It was after this that the two doctors decided to develop > their own meditation so as to fully sever the relationship to the > tmo. I believe that what they taught involved the use of a mantra > chosen from a list of 108 mantras based on nakshatras. They called > what they were teaching "Primordial Sound". This was an interesting > coincidence, considering that Dr. Chopra was teaching a "Primordial > Sound" technique when he was working under the auspices of the tmo. > On being asked about this coincidence of technique name, Dr. Simon > responded that nothing that Dr. Chopra was teaching since leaving > the tmo had come from Maharishi. Whether or not that was true, it > certainly identifies how Dr. Simon, and probably Dr. Chopra felt > about the situation. Maybe it is not so coincidental that mmy never > tried to resurrect the primorial sound, bliss technique or > psychophysiological techniques that Dr. Chopra was teaching through > MAPI. Maybe Dr. Chopra had more "ownership" or "authorship" of them > than mmy did in some way. But, in any case, there were not 108 > primordial sounds when they were being taught through MAPI. So > something had changed, if not the name. > > anon Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Birthday
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Mercimy wife gave me a cool Craftsman tool chest > w/ the pull-out drawers for my B-day I hope she also pulled your tool out of your drawers. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> AIDS in India: A "lurking bomb." Click and help stop AIDS now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/VpTY2A/lzNLAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: ? for Judy
Shemp That's a very funny comment, first time I remember laughing at something you wrote. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > L B Shriver wrote: > > > > > > > > I am suggesting, for the sake of a more rewarding experience > of > > > > > satsang, that you plan to visit for a week or two sometime in > > > > > the coming year. > > > > > > > > Judy replied: > > > > > > > > Well, thanks for the suggestion, but to be honest, > > > > I haven't the *slightest* desire to visit Fairfield, > > > > for "satsang" or anything else. > > > > > > Just wondering, Judy, would you be interested in a live, > > > in-person satsang at any venue? > > > > Do you mean satsang as in sit around informally > > with spiritual compatriots and yakking about > > experiences and stuff? Or do you mean a meeting > > led by a holy person of some sort? > > > > I wouldn't be averse to either if the people involved > > were compatible > > > > Would you attend one if it were you, me and Tantra? > > > > > and it was convenient to get to, but > > it isn't anything I'd seek out. > > > > Why? What is this get-Judy-to-a-satsang movement? > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: ? for Judy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > Shemp > > That's a very funny comment, first time I remember laughing at > > something you wrote. > > I suspect he was referring to Uncle Tantra (Barry, TurquoiseB). > Judy, yah, I got that. What I found funny was the image of you sitting in a room with Barry and Shemp having a spiritual satsang. > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > L B Shriver wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I am suggesting, for the sake of a more rewarding > experience > > > of > > > > > > > satsang, that you plan to visit for a week or two > sometime in > > > > > > > the coming year. > > > > > > > > > > > > Judy replied: > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, thanks for the suggestion, but to be honest, > > > > > > I haven't the *slightest* desire to visit Fairfield, > > > > > > for "satsang" or anything else. > > > > > > > > > > Just wondering, Judy, would you be interested in a live, > > > > > in-person satsang at any venue? > > > > > > > > Do you mean satsang as in sit around informally > > > > with spiritual compatriots and yakking about > > > > experiences and stuff? Or do you mean a meeting > > > > led by a holy person of some sort? > > > > > > > > I wouldn't be averse to either if the people involved > > > > were compatible > > > > > > > > > > > > Would you attend one if it were you, me and Tantra? > > > > > > > > > > > > > and it was convenient to get to, but > > > > it isn't anything I'd seek out. > > > > > > > > Why? What is this get-Judy-to-a-satsang movement? > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: ? for Judy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hey, Judy and I drank the TM koolaid years ago. Speaking for her (an > unwise thing to do, I'll agree), its not in our worldview that this > kind of discourse has ANY real value, compared to just meditating and > living life. > If that is what you think, which is the feeling one gets from reading your endless pointless blather, why do you bother polluting this place with your inane diahrrea-like comments. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Researching the Health Effects of Advanced Yogic Practice
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > A friend just forwarded this. -V. > > Bill Bushell Researching the Health Effects of Adanced Yogic Practice > > Indo-Tibetan yoga holds that regenerative, health-enhancing, > protective substances are secreted from upper regions of the brain > and the lower quadrant of the abdomen during meditation. Recently, it > has been demonstrated that two such profoundly health-enhancing > substances, melatonin and DHEA (dehydroepiandrosterone), are in fact > secreted from these two anatomical locations, respectively, during > meditation. In the past several years, Western scientists have > determined that melatonin and DHEA do stimulate adult stem cells and > also promote tissue healing, immune defenses, positive mood, and > cognitive functioning the same constellation of enhancements > attributed by Indo-Tibetan science to the substances secreted during > meditation! And these two substances, melatonin and DHEA, are available over the counter in in health food store. I have been taking them for years. So is the point that for a few dollars for a few pills anyone can achieve the greatness of the indo-tibetian yogis? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FW: TM dialog...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > the following is an email someone forwarded to me. > What I am doing is assisting the greatest Master of all times to use the > most powerful forces in THIS universe (probably all the rest as well) to > change the course of time itself and create a new civilization on > earth--transform life on earth from hell to heaven--from the deepest > ignorance of Kali Yuga to the greatest life for humanity of Satya Yuga. > > The Unified Field is AT LEAST ten million million times more > powerful than a hydrogen bomb--than the nuclear level! The human mind can > directly experience the Unified Field and ACT from that level. It's > possible to directly effect thousands of other people. As John Hagelin > says, "It is ten thousand times more certain that yogic flying creates peace > that that aspirin cures a headache." About > 12-15 years ago the jyotishis looking at Maharishi's annual chart on his > birthday (parshaphal, i think it's called) declared, "Never before and never > again!" Never before has anyone like Maharishi been on earth and never > again will there be. The choice is yours, my friend, and I encourage you to enter and > sincerely hope you will take advantage of this opportunity. Much less than > once in a lifetime, this is once in a million lifetimes--once in many yugas! > So he is assisting the greatest Master of all times -- of whom never before has anyone like him been on earth and never again will there be -- to use the most powerful forces in THIS universe, the Unified Field which is AT LEAST ten million million times more powerful than a hydrogen bomb, to change the course of time itself and create a new civilization on earth--transform life on earth from hell to heaven--from the deepest ignorance of Kali Yuga to the greatest life for humanity of Satya Yuga. wow, impressive resume. I wonder if he feels special? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hurdy Gurdy Man revealed
Also, on a visit to the New York area in 2000, Janet Hoffman, long-time TM teacher in Manhattan, told me that she had spent a delightful week in Lancaster, MA getting pancha karma and George was there the whole time she was and he was a total riot (as in funny). --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 12/1/05 8:23 PM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >> And as late as 1998 I know people who saw him in Vlodrop getting > >> Jyotish and gemstone recommendations. > > George visited Vlodrop, as did Paul, with his daughter. I had many friends > there at the time who filled me in on the details. George also did a benefit > concert for the NLP in Royal Albert Hall. I think Ringo showed up and > drummed. > >> > >> I believe Prudence is still practicing...does anyone know? > > I'm quite sure she is. She is the 2nd entry at > http://ls.berkeley.edu/dept/sseas/courses/f02/f02_officehours.html > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hurdy Gurdy Man revealed
If they only had a BA, of course we would disbelieve them. College girls are sluts. Its an established fact. :) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > What if they had been less mature or intelligent, with say, only a BA? > You might have disbelieved them then? > > Sal > > > On Dec 2, 2005, at 8:51 PM, Rick Archer wrote: > > > I agree, which is why I only accept what I consider to be factual > > accounts, > > which I have received directly from people who had relationships with > > Muktananda, Sai Baba, and MMY. Before talking to these people, I > > didn't > > believe the rumors. After talking to them (in the latter case, mature, > > intelligent women with graduate educations and respectable careers > > and no ax > > to grind), I did. > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The yagyas are having a wonderful impact on Tom. He's > stopped calling African Americans niggers and now > kindly refers to them as "spearchuckers". The power of > yagyas!! I don't see any such references in Tom's post. But your bigotry against hindus and their religious practices is astonishing. Just because you don't beleive in, or more to the point -- understand -- other cultures' religions practices is no grounds to ridicule them. Whats your take on christians taking communion, muslems praying before Mecca six times a day, Buddhists strivng to be compassionate? I have seen fools do all of such. Does that make these practices foolish? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/u8TY5A/tzNLAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hurdy Gurdy Man revealed
Quite right and delicious points sal. I think Rick may be on the perverbial slippery slope here. As might we all. I vaguely nodded when Rick wrote his first reply -- educated, professional women -- etc, "yes, credible types" I thought. But to whom is the distiction being made? Educated, professional women, are generally honest? Compared to what group of women who are generally less so? Trailer trash? Redneck women? Walmart employees? The stereotypes of personality traits one needs to cojure up to complete Rick's thought are ghastly. I wonder does the same apply to men? (And if not why not? ) Bill Clinton was highly educated at the best schools, certainly had a high professional position, yet lied profusely. In my view, the same with GWB. (And so we don't quibble in silly ways over semantics, by "lie" I include the sense of "saying things that make people believe something other than the truth".) What about Mr Skilling and Mr Ebbers who essentially said " I didn't deal with the numbers" -- and as CEOs of huge corporations ran them into the ground without, allegedely, a mere glance at the numbers. Upon reflection, I have experienced that many highly educated women have keen and repeatedly sharpened abilities to intentionally shape ones image of things in ways that escape a glimpse of reality. Less professional and educated women in my experience often are not good liars -- are transparent when they attempt such -- and have a less honed and nuanced moral code than their ivy league/boardroom sisters -- and appear to prefer being straightforward -- because its simply easier. So, yes, following on to Sal's thought, tell us Rick (and all -- my self included) at what degrading level of education, profession and social standing does a woman become not credible -- compared to the ascending crown of credibility for educated, professional women? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > That doesn't answer the question, Rick. At what point do their stories > become believable--after college? Graduate school? How about during > graduate school? And does it matter if they are getting a Ph.D or an > MA? How about a teaching certificate? And what about if they happen > to be "highly educated and established in professional society" but > otherwise obvious flakes? And what "professional" societies are these > women established in, anyway? > > Sal > > > On Dec 2, 2005, at 9:58 PM, Rick Archer wrote: > > > What if they had been less mature or intelligent, with say, only a BA? > > You might have disbelieved them then? > > > > Sal > > > > Generally, people more highly educated and established in professional > > society are regarded as more credible. Of course, there are always > > exceptions to every generality. > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Definition of one Liberated
I am interested to know what does it mean to be liberated? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hurdy Gurdy Man revealed
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I don¹t know if this is a significant topic, since most TM teachers are > well-educated and from middle or upper class families, but the point was (I > think) that we¹re not talking about topless dancers here. OK, now that will > start a discussion about all the topless dancers with Ph.D.s. A false distinction here, I believe, Rick. The issue is not whether some topless dancers have Phds but rather, does a Phd give one any more credibility than someone merely with a BA? Is John Haiglin more credibly than someone with a BA from Podunk State University? In string theory, yes. But if the PSU grad was a woman who john had physically restrained and tried to seduce, whose story would you beleive? Or more to the point: does John having a PhD make his version of the story more credible? Thus is a Phd a license for date rape? And why are topless dancers as a class, not referring to the exceptions here -- phds and all -- not credible? Do you view topless dancers as immoral in one area of life and thus immoral (liars) in all areas? Do you think a topless dancer will lie to you more than a real estate agent? Do you equate topless dancers with prostitutes? (Quite a false premise in my book) But, ok, so what about prostitutes. If one were abducted and raped, is her story not credible because she is a prostitute? If a physics professor raped her, does his testimony totally overshadow hers because he is a Phd and she is a prostitute? In some ways, it appears to me that a topless dancer is a priori more honest than you the patron. She has her clothes off before you. Quite a bold stroke of honesty actually. By the way, just curious rick, is an all nude dancer less credibly than a topless dancer? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Definition of one Liberated
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 12/3/05 10:59 AM, anonymousff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > I am interested to know what does it mean to be liberated? > > Realizing that you were never bound. I am silly enough to not even know I was bound. Am I now just on the beginning of the road: i) it was just implied I must be bound, ii) i must now seek liberation iii) at some point I will realize I was never bound. Hmm, things seemed simpler in the zero state -- the ignorance of being bound in the first place. Serious point actually. It seems that "seekers" are the few in the population that would characterize themselves as "bound". Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Definition of one Liberated
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > on 12/3/05 10:59 AM, anonymousff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > wrote: > > > > I am interested to know what does it mean to be liberated? > > > > > > Realizing that you were never bound. > > > > I am silly enough to not even know I was bound. Am I now just on the > > beginning of the road: i) it was just implied I must be bound, ii) > > i must now seek liberation iii) at some point I will realize I was > > never bound. > > > > Hmm, things seemed simpler in the zero state -- the ignorance of > > being bound in the first place. > > > > Serious point actually. It seems that "seekers" are the few in the > > population that would characterize themselves as "bound". > > True enough: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegory_of_the_cave > > So did you consider yourself a seeker before you read > Rick's response? If so, what did you have in mind that > you believed you were seeking? > > You asked about the meaning of "liberation." What was > it that made you curious about it? Two different anons here (two manifestations of the ONE immortal ANON). I wrote the latter response, but not the original question. I see your point of the allegory in the cave. But it seems to be there may be a deeper paradox here swallowing up even that. I will ponder on composing such. Meanwhile, the cave is a good story for a "seeker" -- but is it necessarily a universal truth for all? It all has the appearance of co-dependent relationship. The seeker needs the "boundaries" in order to justify his (sometimes strange) seeking rituals. And needs to empower the boundaries, by recognizing them as such, in order for them to have power over her. Do teachers and guides create the game by first disclosing "you are bound and ignorant"? And then further the game by saying "and here is the path to get out of boundaries and ignorance" ? And then pulling the rug our from under you by saying "it was just a joke, you are not bound, you are not ignorant."? Do teachers create students, per the above game, because they feel bound -- not full yet? Again, it seems that "seekers" are the few in the population that would characterize themselves as "bound". Your world view appears to include the oblivious (unaware of the existence of boundaries) , seekers (aware of boundaries and seeking to escape them) and the liberated (aware that boundaries do not exist.) It is still not clear why and how the first and third are different? Are you saying one needs to be aware of a state of delusion prior to liberation in order to be liberated? No that doesn't make much sense in that if boundaries never existed, ignorance never existed. Seems to be the "seekers" trap. Why can't someone simply be happy where they are now, without first having to imagine unreal boundaries, and unreal ignorance of the fact that the boundaries and ignorance are unreal? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Definition of one Liberated
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > I am interested to know what does it mean to be liberated? > > > Every action we take is designed to influence our future. > > When I was younger, my consciousness discriminated between spacetime > and Enlightenment, between boundaries and Boundlessness. Like > looking out the window of an airplane while landing on a cloudy > night, seeing patches of clear air where the lights on the ground > were clearly visible, interspersed with impenetrable cloud. > > My awareness had a dual nature; that of Mastered awareness and > cloudy awareness. I then focused on piercing the clouds in my > awareness, transmuting them into awareness itself, making the > subconscious, conscious. Everything was fair game. Just by > meditation, and then facing that which came to light during the > practice. > > The inevitable effect of this activity, discriminating between > Enlightenment and spacetime, was that once the clounds of spacetime > were Absolutely eliminated, spacetime and Enlightenment joined > together, in a quiet Unity; no more duality. > > As a result, I have found that I can now influence the future, > simply by aligning my attention with this perfect blend of > Enlightenment, lived in time and space. When my attention is > centered on Now, time assumes its Infinite dimension, as does space, > making available from one instance to the next, infinite > possiblities. > > This is what it means to be liberated. And the upside is what? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Definition of one Liberated
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > on 12/3/05 10:59 AM, anonymousff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > > > > > > I am interested to know what does it mean to be liberated? > > > > > > Realizing that you were never bound. > > > > I am silly enough to not even know I was bound. Am I now just on > the > > beginning of the road: i) it was just implied I must be bound, > ii) i > > must now seek liberation iii) at some point I will realize I was > never > > bound. > > > > Hmm, things seemed simpler in the zero state -- the ignorance of > being > > bound in the first place. > > > > Serious point actually. It seems that "seekers" are the few in the > > population that would characterize themselves as "bound". > > > Yes, they are the few that realize within some Was that in the recent Zogby poll? What was the percentage? Else, how do you know its "a few"? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Definition of one Liberated
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I am interested to know what does it mean to be liberated? > > > > > > > Every action we take is designed to influence our future. > > > > > > When I was younger, my consciousness discriminated between > spacetime > > > and Enlightenment, between boundaries and Boundlessness. Like > > > looking out the window of an airplane while landing on a cloudy > > > night, seeing patches of clear air where the lights on the > ground > > > were clearly visible, interspersed with impenetrable cloud. > > > > > > My awareness had a dual nature; that of Mastered awareness and > > > cloudy awareness. I then focused on piercing the clouds in my > > > awareness, transmuting them into awareness itself, making the > > > subconscious, conscious. Everything was fair game. Just by > > > meditation, and then facing that which came to light during the > > > practice. > > > > > > The inevitable effect of this activity, discriminating between > > > Enlightenment and spacetime, was that once the clounds of > spacetime > > > were Absolutely eliminated, spacetime and Enlightenment joined > > > together, in a quiet Unity; no more duality. > > > > > > As a result, I have found that I can now influence the future, > > > simply by aligning my attention with this perfect blend of > > > Enlightenment, lived in time and space. When my attention is > > > centered on Now, time assumes its Infinite dimension, as does > space, > > > making available from one instance to the next, infinite > > > possiblities. > > > > > > This is what it means to be liberated. > > > > > > And the upside is what? > > > Being successful in every endeavor undertaken, from the smallest, > like cooking a delicious dinner, to larger desires, like having > wonderful relationships with others, harmonious family life, success > in my career, good health. Come on, it is an infinite list! So being successful is your view of being liberated. > > The point being, think of all of your desires and what it would be > like to fulfill all of them. What if I have no desires? > That is the upside, though your desires > do change pre and post liberation. The reality too is that desires > per se don't mean as much on the one hand, because life is lived > much more in moment to moment fulfillment vs the old way of mostly > feeling dissatisfied. > To go into much detail here is meaningless > from me to you. Sorry if I am so dense. I am what I am. You will experience it in you own, completely unique > way. "Will" seems to be a word that seekers use a lot. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Definition of one Liberated
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> > > Yes, they are the few that realize within some
> >
> >
> > Was that in the recent Zogby poll? What was the percentage? Else,
> how
> > do you know its "a few"?
> >
> From what the world's attention is focused on. If it were many, it
> would be reflected more widely through the media. And people would
> discuss it more openly.
Have you ever considered that it may be so obvious to most that it
barely warrants much mention. Like talking about the air.
> It is also the way evolution works,
This is a personal cognition of all creation? Or a story you were told?
>why
> there are far more ants than elephants.
And I suppose you are an elephant?
Thats another facet of the co-dependent bound/not-bound cycle story.
When one becomes liberated, they become superior. I guess thats the
difference between the first category ("I have no awareness of
boundaries") and the third stage of seekerdom "I have no awareness of
boundaries, EVER".
I observe people in the third stage, per their own story (I am not
acknowleging any reality of a third stage or any stages), tend to
express a sense of superiority. And reasonably so per their story.
"Most are in ignorance and boundaries, I am not, I am liberated, I am
the elephant, they are the ants." But what if its only a story. What
if one never bought into ignorance and boundaries in the first place?
Then there is no seeking, no seeker, no teacher for the seeker, no
seeker for the teacher, no boundaries to realize were never there, no
ignorance to realize was never there. No co-depenedency, no
superiority, no stories.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Dec 3, 2005, at 10:29 AM, anonymousff wrote: > > > I don't see any such references in Tom's post. But your bigotry > > against hindus and their religious practices is astonishing. Just > > because you don't beleive in, or more to the point -- understand -- > > other cultures' religions practices is no grounds to ridicule them. > > Do you really think Dr. Pete's post was written seriously? I took it as tongue-in-cheek, Often bigotry is most effectively embedded in smug, tongue-in-check slurs. Often good old boy talk is like that. Or gym talk. Sort of like the other thread on the stereotypes of women and their veracity. Lots of smug jokes could be made -- and actualy have been "I mean she wasn't a topless dancer" -- a "yuk yuk, chuckle chuckle" ripples through the men readers. It was tongue in check but hit the nail deeper into the casket real representations of women (and men) by enforcing false stereotypes via humor. Frankly, I don't think Dr. Pete was intending bigotry. However, I think his slant and smug comments, while "tongue-in-check" and thus "pluasubly deniable" are ridiculing a (to millions) sacred religious practice. Implying they are worthless hokum -- based on the example of one mixed-up white boy. That builds a foundation for further "all in fun" tongue-in-check" degrading comments about hindus and their practices. Or any religion. Like the slippery slope of judging a woman's veracity by education, profession etc, there is a sippery slope of bigotry, IMO. Like the woman's example Phd > executive > community leader > teacher > mom > walmart worker > trailer park resident > topless dancer > prostitute -- where do you draw the line of "veracity". You don't! Its a false premise that there is such a gradation. Its a false model. In the same way with a bigotry heirarchy: yagyas are ineffective and silly < people who do yagyas are silly < people who do things differently than us are strange < its the strange people who are causing the problems < townies are ignorant rednecks < who are those camel jockey's who moved next door < those towel heads setting fires to those cars up town ought to be deported - if not shot < blacks should be profiled < arabs should ot be allowed on airplanes < mexicans are ruining america < jews control the media and have an agenda < this is a chirstian nation < I don't want any blacks or arabs living next door < lets deport all arabs < jews control all banks and are causing the depression I cant even remember Mr Pall's slurs. Not sure where to put them in on the scale. The above comparision is probably flawed. Objections can be made in any number of superficial areas I am sure. But the theme of stereotyping, starting at "innocent" tongue-in-check levels, provide the (in)tolerance and foundatin for more advanced stereotypes and bigotry. And like the woman's veracity scale, its a false model. Its based on false associations of traits with a particular group. But I digress. My main concern with Dr. Pete was that he was rudely, IMO, making jokes about sacred ceremonies. Which is ok for crass people at all walks of life to do. As long as its consistent. My point was that there are probably sacred things in Mr Petes life that would offend him if ridiculed. If not, ridicule away if that makes you happy. But if Mr Pete or others have areas they hold sacred, outside of the boundaries of "fair ridicule" then its hypocrosy to ridicule sacred areas of others' lives. > > Whats your take on christians taking communion, muslems praying before > > Mecca six times a day, Buddhists strivng to be compassionate? I have > > seen fools do all of such. Does that make these practices foolish? > > The first two have nothing in common with the third. The first two are > rituals, not tied to any particular set of actions, the third one *is* > action. I am not into such distinctions like you are. My point is everyone has sacred things in their lives -- that many others do not "get". Like TM 2x. Or going to the domes. Step back a few feet and yagyas are not more "silly" or "sacred" than that to most. Respect, tolerance and maturity are reflected in appreciating that one does not know all, that one does not understand all traditions. And thus a mindful respect of others' traditions is warranted. To ridicule them is a form of bigotry, a form of espressing superiority and identity enhancement. Even if its subtle, artful, humerous. Actually, often that is the most insidious -- because its bigot
[FairfieldLife] Re: Definition of one Liberated
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > Do teachers and guides create the game by first disclosing "you are > > bound and ignorant"? And then further the game by saying "and here > > is the path to get out of boundaries and ignorance" ? > > I suspect it varies with the individual. I > had the sense of being "bound" (although I > didn't call it that) long before I ever > encountered any teaching about how to become > unbound. > > > > Your world view appears to include the oblivious (unaware of the > > existence of boundaries) , seekers (aware of boundaries and seeking > > to escape them) and the liberated (aware that boundaries do not > > exist.) > > > > It is still not clear why and how the first and third are different? > > Are you saying one needs to be aware of a state of delusion prior to > > liberation in order to be liberated? > > Not necessarily. Sometimes it happens > spontaneously, coming as a big surprise. > > > No that doesn't make much sense in that if boundaries never existed, > > ignorance never existed. > > "Reality is different in different states of > consciousness." If that fits your story, then fine. It doesn't make it a universal truth. (Is there ushc a thing?) > The reality that boundaries > never existed is specific to the "liberated" > state of consciousness. And the lack of recognition of any boundaries belong many peoples awareness that have not bought in to a "bondage / ignorance" story.a > The reality of those > who are not yet liberated is that boundaries > do exist. If they have bought into a bondage story. > > Seems to be the "seekers" trap. > > > > Why can't someone simply be happy where they are now, without first > > having to imagine unreal boundaries, and unreal ignorance of the > > fact that the boundaries and ignorance are unreal? > > Because to those who are not yet liberated, as > noted, the boundaries are very real indeed. To some I am sure they are. A self-recognition of boundaries -- whether real or not -- that is their perception. But there is a thrid group that your story doesn't seem to recognize: those that don't experience boundaries and have not bought into a bondage game or story. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Definition of one Liberated
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Thats another facet of the co-dependent
> > bound/not-bound cycle story.
> > When one becomes liberated, they become superior.
>
> Have you actually experienced that with "liberated"
> people? Superiority/arrogance is the stink of an ego,
> not of liberated consciousness.
Well for example, Jim is claiming liberation -- I take him at his word
-- yet he is "an elephant" barely even able to talk to "ants" like me.
That is one experience. Similar ones come to mind.
You may making a distinction between classes of "liberated" and Jim
and others are not in the class you are referring to.
I have experienced many people with and without the stink of an ego.
Are all of the latter liberated? All the former bound?
> > I
> > guess thats the
> > difference between the first category ("I have no
> > awareness of
> > boundaries") and the third stage of seekerdom "I
> > have no awareness of
> > boundaries, EVER".
> >
> > I observe people in the third stage, per their own
> > story (I am not
> > acknowleging any reality of a third stage or any
> > stages), tend to
> > express a sense of superiority. And reasonably so
> > per their story.
> > "Most are in ignorance and boundaries, I am not, I
> > am liberated, I am
> > the elephant, they are the ants."
>
> Really? Authentically liberated people can't act that
> way because it would be a self-evident absurdity to
> talk about being superior to someone else. How can
> nothing be better or worse than something?
Seems reasonable to me.
> Maybe
> you've been talking to some mood-makers who have good
> experiences and also some self-esteem issues!
Maybe. See above.
And to jump a few notches, do you think MMY has some self-esteem issues?
>
> > But what if its
> > only a story. What
> > if one never bought into ignorance and boundaries in
> > the first place?
>
> I think that's a great non-story to buy into!
Thats my non-story and my non-I is not sticking to IT.
> >
> > Then there is no seeking, no seeker, no teacher for
> > the seeker, no
> > seeker for the teacher, no boundaries to realize
> > were never there, no
> > ignorance to realize was never there. No
> > co-depenedency, no
> > superiority, no stories.
> Sounds like a powerful insight of liberation to me.
> First there's a game, then there's a winner of the
> game, then it is realized that there wasn't a game at
> all and therefore there are no winners or losers. Only
> people who walk around claiming to be "not" when they
> "is".
Oh joy, do I get a crown? :)
Maybe one to sit on so when I strike a "liberated pose" it hurts my
liberated ass like crazy.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Frankly, I don't think Dr. Pete was intending > > bigotry. However, I > > think his slant and smug comments, while > > "tongue-in-check" and thus > > "pluasubly deniable" are ridiculing a (to millions) > > sacred religious > > practice. Implying they are worthless hokum -- based > > on the example of > > one mixed-up white boy. That builds a foundation for > > further "all in > > fun" tongue-in-check" degrading comments about > > hindus and their > > practices. Or any religion. > > No, that's not my intent at all. The focus was on > Tom's racism in previous posts and not on the > validity/non-validity of yagyas. I know. I was simply (well maybe convolutedly) pointing out that your comments could be insulting to some, and regardless, IMO, fertilize the ground of intolerance -- per the reasoning I laid out -- EVEN though I know that was not your intention. If I were insultable, I might be insulted by your comments. I hold yagyas to be sacred. But I write your comments off as non-thinking quips. Not that stronger ridicule would be found insulting either. But both can be "non-productive" in a social sense of cultivating deeper tolerance. > I would never spoof > someone's religious practices regardless of my > attitude towards them. Why? It would serve no purpose > at all and simply would be what you state above. I understand. Just pointing out that intent and result can be different and intolerance grows from a ground of imperceptibly fine dust of tongue-in-check quips and "slurs". IMO. > > You know, I get your point, slightly over-stated, but > sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. > > > Which is > > ok for crass > > people at all walks of life to do. As long as its > > consistent. My point > > was that there are probably sacred things in Mr > > Petes life that would > > offend him if ridiculed. > > My penis is not small! See! It WAS was a cigar!! And I thought it was your wife who held your penis as sacred. You also do a Shiva Ligum ceremony to it? (I thought only Purusha did that) > > If not, ridicule away if > > that makes you > > happy. But if Mr Pete or others have areas they hold > > sacred, outside > > of the boundaries of "fair ridicule" then its > > hypocrosy to ridicule > > sacred areas of others' lives. > > Agree a 100%. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Dec 3, 2005, at 1:16 PM, anonymousff wrote: > > > Frankly, I don't think Dr. Pete was intending bigotry. However, I > > think his slant and smug comments, while "tongue-in-check" and thus > > "pluasubly deniable" are ridiculing a (to millions) sacred religious > > practice. Implying they are worthless hokum -- based on the example of > > one mixed-up white boy. > > You're right. I can't imagine why Dr. Pete would ever imply that Mr. > Pall's yagyas have not done him any good. Must be back on the acid > again. I wasn't aware he ever got off of it. When did that happen? Actually, I think you, Dr. Pete and I hae views not too distant from one another. I am more dancing around the nuances and implications of some comments, and relating them to other threads -- maybe just the stick ones in my mind. And I recognize some (a few, not like pages) of Mr. Pall's comments are racist (more implied than stated I think, "my views are in line with the Aryan Nation"). And the surface irony of his self-improvement journey with such. But to fly off in wild directions again, I don't see much grounds to ridicule him. Of anyone, I think he has been the most frank on this list, honestly stating a self-recognition that he severe problems, stemming from severe and prolonged childhood abuse. And I am awed by his, to me, heroic and constant search for things that will help heal such. He has outlined so many "trips" seeking healing. Its informative and astonishing. That he goes through a seekers syndrome (which is perhaps quite valid) of thinking his "new" cure is better than his last is understandable -- I can certainly relate to that. And should not diminish the fact that a "next" cure may be found at a later time, that is thought to be the "best" so far. Isn't that what an odessey and search is all about. Trying things, holding on the the effective, prioritizing the better from the lesser, etc. And that from time to time, he has a "healing reaction" to his therapies is not in the least bit surprising. TMers I think call it unstressing. Doctors often say "this is going to hurt some before it gets better". Rolfers (an old body/mind therapy) go through intense pain to get better. Go to they gym and you get sore before you get stronger. Do AV and you have to have some yucky enemas before you get balanced. Are "healing reactions" any surprise to any of us? And some of Tom's comments and gyrations may simply be a reflection of where he is at. Not a "healing reaction" but a real expression of a person who has some issues. And quite self-acknowledged issues. Which I find refreshing. Most people I encounter who are "screwed up a bit" my self included, have difficulty facing and admitting it. I applaud Tom's straightforwardness. Is it our common practice to ridicule someone with a boken leg? "Hey look at the gimp -- the way he hops and wobbles is s funny!" With cancer? with a bad heart? Then why are we so quick to ridicule someone who admits to some psycho-social disabilities (and as if we all have none), is so "on the program" in terms of pursuing therapies that he finds to works, in a constant, regular and systematic way? I find his fortitude inspiring. So his "present" state is not perfect. Whose is? So he has a "healing reaction" now and then. Who hasn't. So his core personality may not be totally in synch with ours (whose is?). When I read Tom's posts, I just can't dwell or focus on his, IMO fairly short, rants and "oddness". It just seems so transitory. I find him to be a bit of a courageous (taking a hard look at himself) and dedicated (keeps climbing that hill of healing) guy. Why laugh at the infirmities? And other than his short interludes of "whatever", he provides a lot of good information ahd often humor. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> AIDS in India: A "lurking bomb." Click and help stop AIDS now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/VpTY2A/lzNLAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Definition of one Liberated
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > >why
> > > there are far more ants than elephants.
> >
> > And I suppose you are an elephant?
>
> Last time I looked in the mirror, I wasn't. You? C'mon, it was an
> analogy...
But arn't you implying that the liberated are elephants
(metaphorically) and the no-liberated are ants? And that you are
liberated? (And thus like the elephants -- far grander than the ants?)
> > I guess thats the
> > difference between the first category ("I have no awareness of
> > boundaries") and the third stage of seekerdom "I have no awareness
> of boundaries, EVER".
>
> Sounds like bullshit. Of course there are boundaries. Anyone that
> doesn't recognize them is not Enlightened, they are *insane*.
Rick answered the question of "I am interested to know what does it
mean to be liberated?" by answering " Realizing that you were never
bound."
Do you disagree with his answer? (This thread is build on responses to
it.)
You and Rick appear to have polar opposite difintions of liberation.
Which of you are living what you expouse?
Do you often feel that persons with different views as you as insane?
> > Then there is no seeking, no seeker, no teacher for the seeker, no
> > seeker for the teacher, no boundaries to realize were never there,
> no
> > ignorance to realize was never there. No co-depenedency, no
> > superiority, no stories.
> >
> What reality are you describing? Or is it your fantasy? Sounds like
> your fantasy to me.
Funny. Dr. Pete called it a profound insight into liberation. (not
that I hold that)
Again, what you, Peter, and Rick experience and or talk about appear
to be quite different. (Will the real Mr. Liberated please stand up.)
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Definition of one Liberated
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I have experienced many people with and without the stink of an > ego. > > Are all of the latter liberated? All the former bound? > > > The stink of ego that you are so familiar with transforms into the > perfume of Ego in liberation. Just curious? Is that a put down? I can so rarely tell these days. If so, are you saying I am bound by the stinky ego, but you are so much more evolved, the elephant, that all egos smell like perfume? Just curious, is that a distiction your ego is making? Does it feel good? But I must have misunderstood you. Having ant-brain and all, its hard sometimes to grasp bit ideas. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> AIDS in India: A "lurking bomb." Click and help stop AIDS now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/VpTY2A/lzNLAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Definition of one Liberated
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > > > This is what it means to be liberated. > > > > > > > > And the upside is what? > > > > > > > Being successful in every endeavor undertaken, from the > smallest, > > > like cooking a delicious dinner, to larger desires, like having > > > wonderful relationships with others, harmonious family life, > success > > > in my career, good health. Come on, it is an infinite list! > > > > So being successful is your view of being liberated. > > No- you asked me what the upside was. I am answering your question > in so far as it can be answered. So then what is liberation? Every thing you have said is about fulfillment of desire. What am I missing? > > > > > > The point being, think of all of your desires and what it would > > > be like to fulfill all of them. > > > > What if I have no desires? > > Then you are dead or non-existent. yes. that may be one way of expressing it. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hurdy Gurdy Man revealed
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 12/3/05 3:25 PM, off_world_beings at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > No, I thought you mean't what is considered a credible quote. > > Obviously something that is gossip and is not published cannot be > > considered to have any credibility. Does that mean that The National Enquirer is credible because it is published? How about the constant placing of manufactured news in the U.S. press and now in the Iraq press. That's published-does it make it credible Doesn't truth prevail even if/when not published? > > If your sister or a trusted friend told you something, would you believe it > even though it wasn't published? > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 1.2 million kids a year are victims of human trafficking. Stop slavery. http://us.click.yahoo.com/WpTY2A/izNLAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- authfriend <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > On Dec 3, 2005, at 1:16 PM, anonymousff wrote: > > > > > > But I digress. My main concern with Dr. Pete > > was that he was > > > > rudely,IMO, making jokes about sacred > > ceremonies. > > > > > > Well, I've gone back and reread the post, and I > > didn't see any > > > reference to any ceremonies, sacred or otherwise. > > > > Boy, I didn't either. > > Sal, Judy, I'm placing both of you on retainer. Would > $10,000 per month be okay? > You must be rich Dr. Pete to throw your money away on such shallow analysis. Dr pete said -- The yagyas are having a wonderful impact on Tom. He's stopped calling African Americans niggers and now kindly refers to them as "spearchuckers". The power of yagyas!! -- Perhaps in this group the term yagya is not understood. I assumed it was. My mistake. In a yagya, chants of gods names and adorations, as well as many "auspicious and sacred things", fruit, flowers, spices, milk, coconuts, etc are offered to a direct representation of a diety -- a statue aka murti, or an open pit of fire, representing the divine. I think in most lexicons, in most people's vocabularies, this would count as a "sacred ceremony". Not that all would hold it sacred personally, but would hold it as a sacred ceremony of some religion. For example, a jew may not hold persoally hold communion as a sacred ceremony, but recognizes it as a scared ceremnony of catholics -- and many other christians. So sorry that I assumed the term yagya was understood in this group and that referrencing it as a "sacred ceremony" was so foreign to apparently so many. But speaking of references, Mr Pall made no reference in his post to "niggers" or "spearchuckers". Mr Pete appears to be referencing past discussion. Something I was also doing --- as well as an assumed commonality of knowledge [see above]. Just curious, I wonder if Dr pete said -- The taking of the catholic holy communion is having a wonderful impact on Tom. He's stopped calling African Americans niggers and now kindly refers to them as "spearchuckers". The power of catholic holy communion. !! -- Would this have been viewed as, at least slightly, sarcastic, bigoted, or out of place, a derogatory comment on a "sacred ceremony" (as viewed by "believers") -- or at least a bit of slur against someone's personal beliefs? Or maybe at least a "cheap shot"? What if Dr pete said -- The offering of puja to Guru Dev every day is having a wonderful impact on Tom. He's stopped calling African Americans niggers and now kindly refers to them as "spearchuckers". The offering of puja to Gura Dev every day. !! -- But the larger point, as discussed in an adjacent post, is not the slurs on "sacred ceremonies" but rather belittling someone who has acknowledged deep disabilites and is vigorously seeking recovery. [But I'm easy. I can fit in. Hey for fun tonight, wanna all go down to the AA meeting and make fun of the drunks! ] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 12/3/05 5:34 PM, Sal Sunshine at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > What's astonishing is that after so much seeking, if that's what he's done, he > > has pretty much seemed to stay right where he is. > > > Now the years are rolling by me, they are rockin¹ even me > I am older than I once was, and younger than I¹ll be, that¹s not unusual > No it isn¹t strange, after changes upon changes, we are more or less the > same > After changes we are more or less the same. > > Simon & Garfunkel ³The Boxer² > I am not as good as I once was ... But once, I am good as I ever was ... Toby Keith Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Dec 3, 2005, at 2:32 PM, anonymousff wrote: > > > And I recognize some (a few, not like pages) of Mr. Pall's comments > > are racist (more implied than stated I think, "my views are in line > > with the Aryan Nation"). > > Yes, I agree, there certainly is a lot of ambiguity Does imlied mean "raises ambiguity" in Iowa? I want to be senstive to regional differences in my writing. > in being in line > with the Aryan Nation. To help resolve that ambiguity I imagine he'll > be getting bar-mitzvahed any day now. At the rate hes going, he may try that. > > And the surface irony of his self-improvement > > journey with such. But to fly off in wild directions again, I don't > > see much grounds to ridicule him. > > > > Of anyone, I think he has been the most frank on this list, honestly > > stating a self-recognition that he severe problems, stemming from > > severe and prolonged childhood abuse. > > There are plenty of ways of dealing with that, some more effective than > others, depending on the person. I have a funny feeing, though, that > spouting bigotry isn't one of them. And for him, know his case history as you apparently do, are? And just curious, have you ever met a rude long term TMer? > There are plenty of ways of dealing with "that situation" other than rudeness,, some more effective than others, depending on the person -- but damn, in 30 years the poor TMer hasn't found it. Sometimes what OUGHT to be is the same as WHAT IS. > > And I am awed by his, to me, > > heroic and constant search for things that will help heal such. He has > > outlined so many "trips" seeking healing. Its informative and > > astonishing. > > What's astonishing is that after so much seeking, if that's what he's > done, he has pretty much seemed to stay right where he is. And you are clear on where he began? What abuse he had, for how long? how it affected his social skills? And with all your seeking you are now dazzling and flawless? (I mean you seem so to me, but I just was wondering if have some darker moments too) > > > > That he goes through a seekers syndrome (which is perhaps quite valid) > > of thinking his "new" cure is better than his last is understandable > > -- I can certainly relate to that. And should not diminish the fact > > that a "next" cure may be found at a later time, that is thought to be > > the "best" so far. Isn't that what an odessey and search is all about. > > Trying things, holding on the the effective, prioritizing the better > > from the lesser, etc. > > > > And that from time to time, he has a "healing reaction" to his > > therapies is not in the least bit surprising. TMers I think call it > > unstressing. Doctors often say "this is going to hurt some before it > > gets better". Rolfers (an old body/mind therapy) go through intense > > pain to get better. Go to they gym and you get sore before you get > > stronger. Do AV and you have to have some yucky enemas before you get > > balanced. Are "healing reactions" any surprise to any of us? > > > > And some of Tom's comments and gyrations may simply be a reflection of > > where he is at. Not a "healing reaction" but a real expression of a > > person who has some issues. And quite self-acknowledged issues. Which > > I find refreshing. Most people I encounter who are "screwed up a bit" > > my self included, have difficulty facing and admitting it. I applaud > > Tom's straightforwardness. > > > > Is it our common practice to ridicule someone with a boken leg? "Hey > > look at the gimp -- the way he hops and wobbles is s funny!" With > > cancer? with a bad heart? Then why are we so quick to ridicule someone > > who admits to some psycho-social disabilities (and as if we all have > > none), is so "on the program" in terms of pursuing therapies that he > > finds to works, in a constant, regular and systematic way? I find his > > fortitude inspiring. > > Tom asks for it, Anon. He sends hit-and-run posts and then ridicules > people even *before* they respond--kind of preemptively, I guess you > could say. I can't believe that is part of your definition of seeking. > I hope not. Again, from another angle, are you a psychiatrist? Have you diagnosed Tom? Are you aware of his case history? If not, how can you say, x number of years should have shaped him up just fin
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine > > I must have missed those posts--really. To me they are all > > attention-seeking and about at the level of your average high-schooler And sometime people miss some of Tom's humor. He has a subtle wit. Or will lead you down a road of your own gullability. Case in point, I found his ending, about the lengths he is going to to stop anyone contacting him, pretty funny. There is an exaggeration of the lengths he is willing to take to not have to talk to the "flakes" here -- its funny. Its like the next line would be, "And if that isn't enough, I am going to set up a separate internet so I don't have to talk to any of you goof-ball whinning morons. And if thats not enough, I am going to move my PCs to the moon. And if thats not enough, I am going to And that ladies in gentlemen is how low I think of all of you." Its sort of jon lovits (snl)like in comedic form. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > At the rate hes going, he may try that. > > Hey, I'll be glad to address the invitations for him when he does. We'll make it a big party. Rudra Joe can cook and bring Tom some new rudraksha beads. > > And just curious, have you ever met a rude long term TMer? > There are > > plenty of ways of dealing with "that situation" other than rudeness,, > > some more effective than others, depending on the person -- but damn, > > in 30 years the poor TMer hasn't found it. Sometimes what OUGHT to be > > is the same as WHAT IS. > > Agreed. Yes, I have met rude long-term TMers. So Tom, in his moments, is not unique. Dare I say, even on this list, there lurk a few apparently rude people. > We are all shaped by our early experiences, Anon, and there is little > we can do about it at that point. (And I would be willing to venture > many if not most here had pretty horrible ones, which is one big reason > we started TM to begin with.) But he's an adult now, and falling back > on the age-old abuse-excuse doesn't fly in the real world, and it > shouldn't here either. Except, how many had prolonged and severe child abuse? And how many stand up and say, "I know I am really screwed up in some ways, and I am working really ard to fix it." And he doesn't throw it out as a constant excuse. He aid it once or twice in the context of his search for therapies. I tend to want to give the guy some slack. > > And with all your seeking you are now dazzling and flawless? (I mean > > you seem so to me, but I just was wondering if have some darker > > moments too) > > Thanks, but I have plenty of darker moments. So, see, even with your many years of seeking and programs, even you are not perfect. Just perhaps a but more polite and controlled at times. > > > > Is it our common practice to ridicule someone with a boken leg? > > "Hey > > > > look at the gimp -- the way he hops and wobbles is s funny!" > > > > > > Tom asks for it, Anon. He sends hit-and-run posts and then > > ridicules > > > people even *before* they respond--kind of preemptively, I guess you > > > could say. I can't believe that is part of your definition of > > seeking. > > > I hope not. I don't get the paradox. You yorself are seeking, and have dark moments. Do you ever do some things you regret in those dark moments? Say things you wish you hadn't? > > Again, from another angle, are you a psychiatrist? Have you diagnosed > > Tom? Are you aware of his case history? If not, how can you say, x > > number of years should have shaped him up just fine. How many 30 year > > TMers do you know who are still way screwed up? > > I didn't say anything about shaping up in X number of years. There is > nothing to that effect in the quote above. > > > > > > So his "present" state is not perfect. Whose is? So he has a > > "healing > > > > reaction" now and then. Who hasn't. So his core personality may > > not be > > > > totally in synch with ours (whose is?). > > > > > > > > When I read Tom's posts, I just can't dwell or focus on his, IMO > > > > fairly short, rants and "oddness". It just seems so transitory. I > > find > > > > him to be a bit of a courageous (taking a hard look at himself) > > and > > > > dedicated (keeps climbing that hill of healing) guy. Why laugh > > at the > > > > infirmities? > > > > > > > > And other than his short interludes of "whatever", he provides a > > lot > > > > of good information ahd often humor. > > > > > > I must have missed those posts--really. To me they are all > > > attention-seeking and about at the level of your average > > high-schooler > > > (no insult meant to high-schoolers, of course). > > > > > > Sal > > > > Yes, you may have missed a lot. He has posted over the years a lot of > > interesting stuff. Maybe read the archives. His New Oreleans post was > > maybe 90% thru the timeline of his posts. > > You mean the one in which he gloated over the destruction of an entire > city come on, he just wished the destruction of the satanic voodoo part -- in the french quarter. Not the whole city. To want to raze a whole city to get rid of the satantic ogoga booga, you gotta be a RAJA! > and wished more of the same on it? Yes, I agree, that was Tom at > his finest, all right. > > Sal But like I say, I had written a lot of stuff over the years prior to that. Much of it interesting, calm, rational, perceptive. Then there was the part about wanting to shoot Rick or something. And Peter too. The latter maybe had some merit. But then that might just be a southern thing. Like the laudable Georgian congressmen who, live on TV, virtually challenged Chris Mathews (Hardball) to a duel. I mean you gotta watch it when you insult a southern man's honor. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > At the rate hes going, he may try that. > > Hey, I'll be glad to address the invitations for him when he does. We'll make it a big party. Rudra Joe can cook and bring Tom some new rudraksha beads. > > And just curious, have you ever met a rude long term TMer? > There are > > plenty of ways of dealing with "that situation" other than rudeness,, > > some more effective than others, depending on the person -- but damn, > > in 30 years the poor TMer hasn't found it. Sometimes what OUGHT to be > > is the same as WHAT IS. > > Agreed. Yes, I have met rude long-term TMers. So Tom, in his moments, is not unique. Dare I say, even on this list, there lurk a few apparently rude people. > We are all shaped by our early experiences, Anon, and there is little > we can do about it at that point. (And I would be willing to venture > many if not most here had pretty horrible ones, which is one big reason > we started TM to begin with.) But he's an adult now, and falling back > on the age-old abuse-excuse doesn't fly in the real world, and it > shouldn't here either. Except, how many had prolonged and severe child abuse? And how many stand up and say, "I know I am really screwed up in some ways, and I am working really hard to fix it." And he doesn't throw it out as a constant excuse. He aid it once or twice in the context of his search for therapies. I tend to want to give the guy some slack. > > And with all your seeking you are now dazzling and flawless? (I mean > > you seem so to me, but I just was wondering if have some darker > > moments too) > > Thanks, but I have plenty of darker moments. So, see, even with your many years of seeking and programs, even you are not perfect. Just perhaps a but more polite and controlled at times. > > > > Is it our common practice to ridicule someone with a boken leg? > > "Hey > > > > look at the gimp -- the way he hops and wobbles is s funny!" > > > > > > Tom asks for it, Anon. He sends hit-and-run posts and then > > ridicules > > > people even *before* they respond--kind of preemptively, I guess you > > > could say. I can't believe that is part of your definition of > > seeking. > > > I hope not. I don't get the paradox. You yorself are seeking, and have dark moments. Do you ever do some things you regret in those dark moments? Say things you wish you hadn't? > > Again, from another angle, are you a psychiatrist? Have you diagnosed > > Tom? Are you aware of his case history? If not, how can you say, x > > number of years should have shaped him up just fine. How many 30 year > > TMers do you know who are still way screwed up? > > I didn't say anything about shaping up in X number of years. There is > nothing to that effect in the quote above. > > > > > > So his "present" state is not perfect. Whose is? So he has a > > "healing > > > > reaction" now and then. Who hasn't. So his core personality may > > not be > > > > totally in synch with ours (whose is?). > > > > > > > > When I read Tom's posts, I just can't dwell or focus on his, IMO > > > > fairly short, rants and "oddness". It just seems so transitory. I > > find > > > > him to be a bit of a courageous (taking a hard look at himself) > > and > > > > dedicated (keeps climbing that hill of healing) guy. Why laugh > > at the > > > > infirmities? > > > > > > > > And other than his short interludes of "whatever", he provides a > > lot > > > > of good information ahd often humor. > > > > > > I must have missed those posts--really. To me they are all > > > attention-seeking and about at the level of your average > > high-schooler > > > (no insult meant to high-schoolers, of course). > > > > > > Sal > > > > Yes, you may have missed a lot. He has posted over the years a lot of > > interesting stuff. Maybe read the archives. His New Oreleans post was > > maybe 90% thru the timeline of his posts. > > You mean the one in which he gloated over the destruction of an entire > city come on, he just wished the destruction of the satanic voodoo part -- in the french quarter. Not the whole city. To want to raze a whole city to get rid of the satanic ogoga booga, you gotta be a RAJA! > and wished more of the same on it? Yes, I agree, that was Tom at > his finest, all right. > > Sal But like I say, he had written a lot of stuff over the years prior to that. Much of it interesting, calm, rational, perceptive. Then there was the part about wanting to shoot Rick or something. And Peter too. The latter maybe had some merit. But then that might just be a southern thing. Like the laudable Georgian congressmen who, live on TV, virtually challenged Chris Mathews (Hardball) to a duel. I mean you gotta watch it when you insult a southern man's honor. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Jj
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Dec 3, 2005, at 6:32 PM, anonymousff wrote: > > > So Tom, in his moments, is not unique. Dare I say, even on this list, > > there lurk a few apparently rude people. > > There's rudeness and there's rudeness. Tom is quite a stand-out in > that area, IMO. I'm afraid nobody else on this forum even comes close. Oh, good. So we can be rude, but just not too rude. Great, because I love rudeness. Where exactly is the line? And does quantity count? I mean if the line is at 10 x, but one is 3x rude 5 times in a day, is that like being 15x rude once? I mean a lot of people here appear to be sy s low to medium level of rudeness all day long. Silly me, that seems worse that one big blast of Tom rudeness. But I am probably being rude in saying so. :) Maybe you can write something up for Rick to put in the guidelines about the appropriate level of rudeness for this list. And what about duels. We should put something in the guidelines about that. When its appropriate, when its not. How to "call someone out" -- i mean slapping them with your white glove seems kind of hard on the internet. Proper weapons? Proper timing -- we'll get a jyotishee right on that. And WHO gets to face east? Gadzooks this IS a complicated issue. Rude on! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
In my opinion when you make nasty anti-Semitic (or any kind of racial epithet) remarks as both Tom and Billy G have, you are crossing a line. They are the only two who have done so. If you were around when ColdBlueIce (I think that was his handle) otherwise known as Steve Perino, was you would have seen what nasty rude was. What I find "rude" about Tom is he hurls racist epithets, says he won't read or respond to anyone and then thinks anyone is going to care to hear about the he spends on yagyas which, to my understanding, are supposed to smooth out personality roughness. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > On Dec 3, 2005, at 6:32 PM, anonymousff wrote: > > > > > So Tom, in his moments, is not unique. Dare I say, even on this list, > > > there lurk a few apparently rude people. > > > > There's rudeness and there's rudeness. Tom is quite a stand-out in > > that area, IMO. I'm afraid nobody else on this forum even comes close. > > Oh, good. So we can be rude, but just not too rude. Great, because I > love rudeness. > > Where exactly is the line? And does quantity count? I mean if the line > is at 10 x, but one is 3x rude 5 times in a day, is that like being > 15x rude once? I mean a lot of people here appear to be sy s low to > medium level of rudeness all day long. Silly me, that seems worse that > one big blast of Tom rudeness. But I am probably being rude in saying > so. :) > > Maybe you can write something up for Rick to put in the guidelines > about the appropriate level of rudeness for this list. > > And what about duels. We should put something in the guidelines about > that. When its appropriate, when its not. How to "call someone out" -- > i mean slapping them with your white glove seems kind of hard on the > internet. Proper weapons? Proper timing -- we'll get a jyotishee right > on that. And WHO gets to face east? Gadzooks this IS a > complicated issue. > > > Rude on! > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 1.2 million kids a year are victims of human trafficking. Stop slavery. http://us.click.yahoo.com/WpTY2A/izNLAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
I think standards are good. Despite my defense of Tom, I think making racial epithets on a list like this is inappropriate. As I do subtle slurs -- even if not intented but only non-thinking -- per my comments on Peter's post. I am not sure where to draw the line in terms of list governance. But for someone like Tom, direct confrontation and like insults are like throwing oil on a fire. Given Tom can dish it out sometimes in rude ways, what is a healthy response -- for the list, for the person feeling insulted, and for Tom? To call Tom an unmitigated asshole? I don't think so. That just "turns Tom on" gets his vintictive "me against the world" juices flowing. Ignoring such can work. Sometimes inflamatory posters seek provocation and an excuse to get pissed at someone. If ignored, they shrivel up. Like peter's ... oh never mind. Or systematic, unemotional questions. "Tom, why do you believe that?" A sort of socratic method. So people are rude. IMO, there are a lot of rude people on the list. Like tom, direct confrontation of them, for most, is not effective. So when someone is rude -- what to do? Maybe just whine about it. Maybe that will work. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > In my opinion when you make nasty anti-Semitic (or any kind of racial > epithet) remarks as both Tom and Billy G have, you are crossing a > line. They are the only two who have done so. > > If you were around when ColdBlueIce (I think that was his handle) > otherwise known as Steve Perino, was you would have seen what nasty > rude was. > > What I find "rude" about Tom is he hurls racist epithets, I understand how that is rude. > says he > won't read or respond to anyone I fail to see how that is rude. Its a choice. lots of people here post and then don't respond to comments. > and then thinks anyone is going to > care to hear about the he spends on yagyas which, to my > understanding, are supposed to smooth out personality roughness. So ones inner thinking is rude. No, sorry, I can't buy that one. > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > On Dec 3, 2005, at 6:32 PM, anonymousff wrote: > > > > > > > So Tom, in his moments, is not unique. Dare I say, even on this > list, > > > > there lurk a few apparently rude people. > > > > > > There's rudeness and there's rudeness. Tom is quite a stand-out in > > > that area, IMO. I'm afraid nobody else on this forum even comes > close. > > > > Oh, good. So we can be rude, but just not too rude. Great, because I > > love rudeness. > > > > Where exactly is the line? And does quantity count? I mean if the line > > is at 10 x, but one is 3x rude 5 times in a day, is that like being > > 15x rude once? I mean a lot of people here appear to be sy s low to > > medium level of rudeness all day long. Silly me, that seems worse that > > one big blast of Tom rudeness. But I am probably being rude in saying > > so. :) > > > > Maybe you can write something up for Rick to put in the guidelines > > about the appropriate level of rudeness for this list. > > > > And what about duels. We should put something in the guidelines about > > that. When its appropriate, when its not. How to "call someone out" -- > > i mean slapping them with your white glove seems kind of hard on the > > internet. Proper weapons? Proper timing -- we'll get a jyotishee right > > on that. And WHO gets to face east? Gadzooks this IS a > > complicated issue. > > > > > > Rude on! > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > come on, he just wished the destruction of the satanic voodoo part -- > > in the french quarter. Not the whole city. To want to raze a whole > > city to get rid of the satanic ogoga booga, you gotta be a RAJA! > > You aren't the same anonymous who was chiding Peter > for allegedly cracking jokes about sacred ceremonies, > are you? > > And for allegedly making veiled racist comments? > haha, all of us anonymousesesesesesees hiding behind the moniker, no that was not me. me anonymous is kh anonymous Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > come on, he just wished the destruction of the satanic voodoo part -- > > > in the french quarter. Not the whole city. To want to raze a whole > > > city to get rid of the satanic ogoga booga, you gotta be a RAJA! > > > > You aren't the same anonymous who was chiding Peter > > for allegedly cracking jokes about sacred ceremonies, > > are you? > > > > And for allegedly making veiled racist comments? > > > > haha, all of us anonymousesesesesesees hiding behind the moniker, no > that was not me. me anonymous is kh anonymous > but the comment about satanic voodoo above is not attributable to me. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> AIDS in India: A "lurking bomb." Click and help stop AIDS now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/VpTY2A/lzNLAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > come on, he just wished the destruction of the satanic voodoo part -- > > in the french quarter. Not the whole city. To want to raze a whole > > city to get rid of the satanic ogoga booga, you gotta be a RAJA! > > You aren't the same anonymous who was chiding Peter > for allegedly cracking jokes about sacred ceremonies, > are you? > > And for allegedly making veiled racist comments? Perhaps that Anon should have said, That is not fully correct Sal. Tom wished for the destruction of the portion of the french quarter that he perceives to be saturated with centuries of voodoo practices. Which in his view appear to be a negative influence. Its ironic though, that people are aghast at Tom's thought, but only chuckle at Raja's advocation of the destruction of an entire city to rid percieved negativity. Why the difference in reactions I wonder? It appears the Raja's plans are more radically than Tom's mere wish. And if Tom is condemed, by not the raja's plans four fold more? Do people simply percieve the raja's plans as more ridiculous than Tom's wish? And the larger issue is to what extent should "religious or spiritual" reasons serve as justifications for radical "transformations". While respecting religious traditions, if they at some point encroach on the rights and property of others. Yagyas, communion, attending a sadir dinner, yogic flying, are all essentially non-obtrusive. And as religious or spiritual practices should be respected. But what about religious practices that call for the destruction of a mosque, the razing of a city, the absolute rights to a "divinely endowed" piece of land, the destruction of another civilzation, the pushing of an established country "into the sea". Then it gets more complicated -- and the religious or spiritual soverernty over non-obtrusive acts cannot be extended without restriction to obtrusive acts. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > come on, he just wished the destruction of the satanic voodoo > > > > part -- in the french quarter. Not the whole city. To want to > > > > raze a whole city to get rid of the satanic ogoga booga, you > > > > gotta be a RAJA! > > > > > > You aren't the same anonymous who was chiding Peter > > > for allegedly cracking jokes about sacred ceremonies, > > > are you? > > > > > > And for allegedly making veiled racist comments? > > > > haha, all of us anonymousesesesesesees hiding behind the moniker, no > > that was not me. me anonymous is kh anonymous > > I wish all you anonymice would sign your posts with at > least a nom de net so the rest of us can keep track! > > You do realize Voodoo is a legitimate religion, not > satanic at all, and that "Ooga booga" is a slur on > Africans, right? "Ooga booga" is a slur on Africans? Its an often used phrase use here and other lists for para-rational spiritual stuff: siddhis, shakti, ME, etc. Why after all these years, of the term being regularly used, did you decide to wait until now to inform us that the term is actually a slur on Africans. Who knew? And on what basis are you claiming "Ooga booga" is a slur on Africans? In a sense, such a claim could be construed as racist. And it would appear that "he just wished the destruction of the satanic voodoo part[of the city]" is a correct description of Tom's view. I think the case has already been made he is racist. Are you suggesting that reporting another person's view implies and agreement with it? Or that reporting such makes one a lose sight of other knowledge -- that is that Voodoo is a relious of spiritual practice. Gosh, I think even Tom acknowledged that. He conveyed his view that it was a low level spiritual practice. Reporting that such comments were made does not make it true, does it? In your view? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > I wish all you anonymice would sign your posts with at > least a nom de net so the rest of us can keep track! Simply responding to thoughts in themselves is not enough? So you can keep track of periceived inconsistencies and so you can pounce and play "gottcha games". If you percieve inconsistencies among any posts, why not simply ask for clarification? What makes a (perceived) inconsistency from the same poster any more intereresting than one from separate posters? For example earlier today rick said liberation was the realization that there never were boundaries. Jim later, while claiming liberation, said that of course there are boundaries in liberation and anyone who disagrees is insane. So thats an interesting difference between two posts. It would be interesting for each to respond. It seems to me that nothing is added if the two posts are from the same poster. Though maybe rick and jim are the same person, who knows. So, again, what is the value of labeling each anon? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > Perhaps that Anon should have said, > > > > That is not fully correct Sal. Tom wished for the destruction of the > > portion of the french quarter that he perceives to be saturated with > > centuries of voodoo practices. Which in his view appear to be a > > negative influence. Its ironic though, that people are aghast at > > Tom's thought, but only chuckle at Raja's advocation of the > > destruction of an entire city to rid percieved negativity. > > I don't believe the Raja was advocating wiping out > the *people* in the city, though, was he? I don't think so. I don't recall Tom doing so either. He, in my memory, was advocating the destruction of a negative area -- negativity saturated in century old buildings? Did I get it wrong? Was he advocating mass muder or genocide? > Nor was the Raja proposing to selectively destroy the > enclave of a nonmainstream religion practiced primarily > by a minority group upon which he had been known to heap > scorn and hatred. Well the rajas imply a strong "distaste" for non-SV architecture -- and the people who contine to live in them. > And presumably the Raja would expect to have to obtain > the consent of the local government, if not of the > people to be displaced (but there would presumably be > provision made for the latter to move into other > housing; they wouldn't be left homeless). > > The anticipated destruction in New Orleans, in contrast, > was via a natural disaster that didn't obtain > *anybody's* consent, Natural disaster seems more efficient, natures way, harnessing the power of nature -- very vedic in some people's view I am sure. > nor did it arrange to provide for > the needs of those whose homes it would take. Really, I thought lots of recovery efforts were underway in NO. Perhaps not optimal, but then would raja-led rebuilding be expected to be perfect? > So I think there may be excellent reason for the > difference in reaction. Which I still have not yet grasped yet from your thoughts. Sorry. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
> > "Ooga booga" is a slur on Africans? > > Sure, it's a crude burlesque of African language > used in tribal rituals. > > "Mumbo-jumbo" is another derogatory term derived > from African religion; the original refers to a > religious figure among the Mandingo. > > Both terms have lost their references and become > ordinary slang, but they were originally slurs. So if they are not slurs now, how is a current use of the term a slur on africans, now? > > Its an often used phrase use > > here and other lists for para-rational spiritual stuff: siddhis, > > shakti, ME, etc. Why after all these years, of the term being > > regularly used, did you decide to wait until now to inform us that > > the term is actually a slur on Africans. Who knew? > I've never seen the term used here that I can recall. Lots of apparent racists on this list. And in society. Including Hugh Masekela. Who knew? http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/78973 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/68955 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/64594 http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com/msg05288.html http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com/msg24663.html http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com/msg20454.html http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com/msg00486.html http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com/msg20441.html http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com/msg20423.html http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com/msg20416.html -- http://www.artistdirect.com/nad/store/artist/album/0,,2643614,00.html http://www.oogaboogatikihuts.com/ http://dreamcast.ign.com/objects/015/015841.html Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > I wish all you anonymice would sign your posts with at > > > least a nom de net so the rest of us can keep track! > > > > Simply responding to thoughts in themselves is not enough? > > > > So you can keep track of periceived inconsistencies and so you can > > pounce and play "gottcha games". > > No, just for the sake of some coherence. > > > If you percieve inconsistencies among any posts, why not simply ask > > for clarification? > > I did. > > > What makes a (perceived) inconsistency from the > > same poster any more intereresting than one from separate posters? > > It isn't a matter of inconsistency, perceived > or otherwise. > > But you know that. No, I am still missing your concern. Each post contains a self-sufficient thought -- at least in the posters view. Tying a series of posts together in some arbitrary way (IMO) doesn't add much. How does knowing what posts I made today, or yeasterday, or whenever, and which that I didn't, add any coherence to the discussion at hand. If anything its supurfulous information. And most good writing tries to minizize that -- or so I am told. It raises the classic question. Is the river today the same river that flowed past you yesterday. Is the person the same as the one 90 days ago whose cells have now essentially brand new relative to 90 days ago (I think 90 days is the cycle, corrections invited.) And raises the identification question prevelant on this list. What is the unifying "I" that is responding in each post? How relevant is something if doesn't exist to the "doer"? Or matter much? And the perception of a personality by others changes all the time. Why is that much of a unifying factors. Just some thoughts -- not arguments. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 1.2 million kids a year are victims of human trafficking. Stop slavery. http://us.click.yahoo.com/WpTY2A/izNLAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
No game. Your reponses are simply confusing to me. First you say I am casting slurs on africans, then you say that such terms used to be slurs, but are not now. I am intertested in not offending anyone or using offensive language. I am simply asking is using the term "ooga-booga" currenty a slur on any group of people or religion? If it is I will refrain from its use. If it is not, I fail to see the validity of your first accusation. But regardless, I appreciate the heads up on the terms past meanings -- I was unaware. As appearently many on the list have been. The term has been used repeatedly. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm quite sure you understand my point, so > I'm not going to play your games. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > "Ooga booga" is a slur on Africans? > > > > > > Sure, it's a crude burlesque of African language > > > used in tribal rituals. > > > > > > "Mumbo-jumbo" is another derogatory term derived > > > from African religion; the original refers to a > > > religious figure among the Mandingo. > > > > > > Both terms have lost their references and become > > > ordinary slang, but they were originally slurs. > > > > > > So if they are not slurs now, how is a current use of the term a > slur > > on africans, now? > > > > > > > > Its an often used phrase use > > > > here and other lists for para-rational spiritual stuff: > siddhis, > > > > shakti, ME, etc. Why after all these years, of the term being > > > > regularly used, did you decide to wait until now to inform us > that > > > > the term is actually a slur on Africans. Who knew? > > > > > I've never seen the term used here that I can recall. > > > > > > Lots of apparent racists on this list. And in society. Including > Hugh > > Masekela. Who knew? > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/78973 > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/68955 > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/64594 > > > > http://www.mail- > archive.com/fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com/msg05288.html > > > > http://www.mail- > archive.com/fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com/msg24663.html > > > > http://www.mail- > archive.com/fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com/msg20454.html > > > > http://www.mail- > archive.com/fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com/msg00486.html > > > > http://www.mail- > archive.com/fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com/msg20441.html > > > > http://www.mail- > archive.com/fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com/msg20423.html > > > > http://www.mail- > archive.com/fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com/msg20416.html > > > > > > > > -- > > > http://www.artistdirect.com/nad/store/artist/album/0,,2643614,00.html > > > > http://www.oogaboogatikihuts.com/ > > > > http://dreamcast.ign.com/objects/015/015841.html > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
Good idea. Why doesn't everyone sign in as anonymousff (pass word also = anonymousff) for a week and we will see how it goes. It could be fascinating. Great idea Judy. Thanks. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > Each post contains a self-sufficient thought -- at least in the > > posters view. Tying a series of posts together in some arbitrary > > way (IMO) doesn't add much. How does knowing what posts I made > > today, or yeasterday, or whenever, and which that I didn't, add any > > coherence to the discussion at hand. If anything its supurfulous > > information. And most good writing tries to minizize that -- or so > > I am told. > > Tell you what, why don't you start a discussion > forum in which everyone uses the name "Anonymous," > then let us know how it goes. > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Dec 3, 2005, at 9:49 PM, anonymousff wrote: > > > So you can keep track of periceived inconsistencies and so you can > > pounce and play "gottcha games". > > > > If you percieve inconsistencies among any posts, why not simply ask > > for clarification? > > WONDERFUL SUGGESTION. > > Truth is there is too much interest in the "gotcha games" or just > generic "games" So everyone signing on as anonymousff (PW = anonymousff) for a week might help break old patterns, head trips and gotcha games. And could be an interesting exercise in non-ownership for many. Its only a week. Could be blast. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/80857 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > On Dec 3, 2005, at 9:49 PM, anonymousff wrote: > > > > > So you can keep track of periceived inconsistencies and so you can > > > pounce and play "gottcha games". > > > > > > If you percieve inconsistencies among any posts, why not simply > ask > > > for clarification? > > > > WONDERFUL SUGGESTION. > > > > Truth is there is too much interest in the "gotcha games" > > Such as, for instance: > > Person A says Person B said thus-and-so on another forum. > And persons c-zz say, "who gives squat about what was said on another forum, particularly if was ages ago." > Person B denies it and says he said this-and-that. And persons c-zz yawn and move on the the next post. > Person A quotes the posts demonstrating that Person B > indeed said thus-and-so and not this-and-that. And by now persons c-zz are thinking, "what kind of wierd-ass trip is this? " > That the kind of gotcha game you're talking about, And persons c-zz snap out of their slumber and say "thats exactly the kind of stupid and insipid gottcha games that A is playing that we are so tired of and are such a waste of time and bog down the list. > where you get caught in a deliberate > misrepresentation, er, I mean, an inconsistency? And persons c-zz yawn again and say, "you gotta be kidding. This is important to you? Why cant we focus on real issues?" Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Gotcha Games
Rick, Just a suggestion, but why not add a "No Gotcha Games" in the guidelines. You could cite the following post as a perfect example of what a gotcha game is. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/80861 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Gotcha Games
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Rick, > > Just a suggestion, but why not add a "No Gotcha Games" in the > guidelines. You could cite the following post as a perfect example of > what a gotcha game is. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/80861 > Just curious. - How many on the list like to read gotcha games. Especially long protracted ones with little snipping? - Has anyone ever felt benefit from reading Gotcha Game ad naseum posts? If so how? I suspect Judy's high minded, passive agressive response will be " Well, if you don't care about lying and distortions on this list, and life in general, well, well, I feel sorry for you." No, we don't care about what you interpret endlessly as "lying and distortions." We have a brian, we can make our own assessments. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > And persons c-zz yawn again and say, "you gotta be kidding. This is > > important to you? Why cant we focus on real issues?" > > I'm sorry you feel that dishonesty among the > participants of this forum (or anywhere else, > for that matter) isn't a real issue. > > I beg to differ. > > I would also bet my bottom dollar that if you > knew someone had lied in response to a post > of yours, we'd never hear the end of it. People miscast or misinterpret what I write all the time. Often I simply drop it. Or seek clarification. > And further, that if that person then made a > post decrying "gotcha" games, you would go > ballistic. Any one decrying gotta games has got my vote. You seem quite incoherent here -- or are making a joke I don't get, to think that would make me go ballistic. > If there's one thing I detest more than > dishonesty, it's hypocrisy. Well I am sorry that you are, so it seems, so steeped in spite, hate and retribution. Maybe it will pass. We can only collectively pray. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hurdy Gurdy Man revealed
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > on 12/3/05 3:25 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >> > > >> Actually, they're quite private, even secretive. Maharishi > > > isn't "people." > > > > > > But WHY do they talk about it with YOU? > > > > They've talked about it with other people. They're just not running > to the > > newspapers or setting up a web site. > > > > Patiently: but why are they talking about it at all? I would suspect that for some, it is not a fully resolved issue or area of their life. They are seeking some perspective. Or a non-judgemental ear to them them talk it out. In a parallel, though smaller way, the way talking things out in foums like this has helped many to heal unresolved TM issues. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hurdy Gurdy Man revealed
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > on 12/3/05 3:25 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > >> > > > >> Actually, they're quite private, even secretive. Maharishi > > > > isn't "people." > > > > > > > > But WHY do they talk about it with YOU? > > > > > > They've talked about it with other people. They're just not > running > > to the > > > newspapers or setting up a web site. > > > > > > > I'm not sure any of this has anything to do with education, or > > intelligence, or anything like that. > > For some people fame, is like money, they just want more of it. > > For some people, being attractive, and narcissitic, is just a part > of > > that personality type; being sought after, feeling that everyone > > wants me.. > > Being in the limelight, is a powerful feeling, I'm sure. > > I always thought Mia Farrow, is quite attractive; and I'm sure > > wherever she goes, she feels that response from men. > > And I'm quite sure she dosen't mind the attention. > > And some people just like to discuss their sex life with other's, > > and their various adventures... > > > > From what Rick has said, a large portion of MMY's secretaries not > only have had sex with him but have mentioned it to him or have > publicised it in some way. Is this some obsure form of humor? Being that virtually all of MMY's secretaries have been male. Are you suggesting that MMY has has numerous homosexual relations? How bizzare that this is how you interpret what rick has said -- a number of times. Or as I asked, it some obsure form of humor I am missing? > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hurdy Gurdy Man revealed
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" > [...] > > > From what Rick has said, a large portion of MMY's secretaries not > > > only have had sex with him but have mentioned it to him or have > > > publicised it in some way. > > > > Is this some obsure form of humor? Being that virtually all of MMY's > > secretaries have been male. Are you suggesting that MMY has has > > numerous homosexual relations? How bizzare that this is how you > > interpret what rick has said -- a number of times. Or as I asked, it > > some obsure form of humor I am missing? > > OK, from what Rick has said, a large portion of MMY's *female* > secretaries have had sex with MMY, and Rick has found out about this > because they either told him personally, or let it be publicized in > some other way. He had no female secretaries. That is the point. So you are obscurely making the point that he did not have sex? That you "heard" Rick say that M had sex with female secretaries says alot about your cognitive processes -- and perhaps explains why you have been skeptical of it all. You are so out of touch with the reported "facts" and strange imangined loops are interceeding. Various male secretaries, aka skin boys, escorted various woman to his room at wee hours, at various times and locations, and they emerged disheaveled hours later. And some of the women confined in some of the male secretaries months later, continents away, about what happened. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hurdy Gurdy Man revealed
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" > > [...] > > > > From what Rick has said, a large portion of MMY's secretaries not > > > > only have had sex with him but have mentioned it to him or have > > > > publicised it in some way. > > > > > > Is this some obsure form of humor? Being that virtually all of MMY's > > > secretaries have been male. Are you suggesting that MMY has has > > > numerous homosexual relations? How bizzare that this is how you > > > interpret what rick has said -- a number of times. Or as I asked, it > > > some obsure form of humor I am missing? > > > > OK, from what Rick has said, a large portion of MMY's *female* > > secretaries have had sex with MMY, and Rick has found out about this > > because they either told him personally, or let it be publicized in > > some other way. > > He had no female secretaries. That is the point. So you are obscurely > making the point that he did not have sex? > > That you "heard" Rick say that M had sex with female secretaries says > alot about your cognitive processes -- and perhaps explains why you > have been skeptical of it all. You are so out of touch with the > reported "facts" and strange imangined loops are interceeding. > > Various male secretaries, aka skin boys, escorted various woman to his > room at wee hours, at various times and locations, and they emerged > disheaveled hours later. And some of the women confined in some of the > male secretaries months later, continents away, about what happened. And in recent years, rick read the sexie sadie diologues of the skin boys, talked to a number of them personally, whom he known for a long time -- many people know them and have a sense of their level of veracity -- and then talked directly to some of the women. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hurdy Gurdy Man revealed
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" > > > [...] > > > > > From what Rick has said, a large portion of MMY's secretaries > not > > > > > only have had sex with him but have mentioned it to him or > have > > > > > publicised it in some way. > > > > > > > > Is this some obsure form of humor? Being that virtually all of > MMY's > > > > secretaries have been male. Are you suggesting that MMY has has > > > > numerous homosexual relations? How bizzare that this is how you > > > > interpret what rick has said -- a number of times. Or as I > asked, it > > > > some obsure form of humor I am missing? > > > > > > OK, from what Rick has said, a large portion of MMY's *female* > > > secretaries have had sex with MMY, and Rick has found out about > this > > > because they either told him personally, or let it be publicized > in > > > some other way. > > > > He had no female secretaries. That is the point. So you are > obscurely > > making the point that he did not have sex? > > > > That you "heard" Rick say that M had sex with female secretaries > says > > alot about your cognitive processes -- and perhaps explains why you > > have been skeptical of it all. You are so out of touch with the > > reported "facts" and strange imangined loops are interceeding. > > > > Various male secretaries, aka skin boys, escorted various woman to > his > > room at wee hours, at various times and locations, and they emerged > > disheaveled hours later. And some of the women confined in some of > the > > male secretaries months later, continents away, about what happened. > > > > OK, my bad. I assumed that there was some kind of professional > relationship going on. If MMY was just asking for a specific woman to > be brought to his door, for whatever reason, who didn't have a direct > boss/underling relationship with him, then its all pretty silly to > get upset about. IMHO. Well, for everyone there was some sort of teacher / student relationship. So exploitation of that is not out of the question. But no one was on salarly, other than room and board and a stipend. It was not like a corporate setting where M was directly hiring a secretary or some female marketing director and then hitting on them. But he controlled who was in the inner circles -- thus in a sense had full hiring and firing responsibilities. And sleeping with "direct reports" is a no no in the corporate world. And dangerous because it opens the company up for massive sexual discrimination suits. (He/CEO didn't promote me, he didnt give me the raise i deserved, etc, because I would't sleep with him anymore". Its become a firable offense for top executives -- and for most managment levels. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Go Haiglin -- A Billion Dollars Offered for a Peace Program
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Gotcha Games
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > I suspect Judy's high minded, passive agressive > > response will be " > > Well, if you don't care about lying and distortions > > on this list, and > > life in general, well, well, I feel sorry for you." > > > > No, we don't care about what you interpret endlessly > > as "lying and > > distortions." We have a brian, we can make our own > > assessments. > > Ha! You said "brian!" instead of "brain". Gotcha!!! Ha > Ha Ha! > No, Brian is the name of the main voice inside my head. Of course there is also Fred, Omar, Jean-Luc, Astrid, Ramur and Closters. What are the names of your voices. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/u8TY5A/tzNLAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hurdy Gurdy Man revealed
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > From what Rick has said, a large portion of MMY's secretaries not > > > only have had sex with him but have mentioned it to him or have > > > publicised it in some way. > > > > Is this some obsure form of humor? Being that virtually all of MMY's > > secretaries have been male. Are you suggesting that MMY has has > > numerous homosexual relations? How bizzare that this is how you > > interpret what rick has said -- a number of times. Or as I asked, it > > some obsure form of humor I am missing? > > Is this not an example of a "gotcha"? Not in my book. Debate as focussed on ideas. If there is some incorrect fact or logic, or one disagrees with presumptions of the poster, its all fine and good to present another view. Or to question what the poster meant. Gotcha posts are focussed on showing that the poster is dumb, perverse, a rogue, and liar, and/or a hypocrite - and the post focuses on these qualities, often repeatededly, and not the issues raised in the post. And a sense of vengence, vindictiveness and / or retribution often bubbles to the surface in Gotcha posts. As in your recent gotcha of Vaj. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/80861 Frankly, I was confused by spraigs post above and in seeking some balance may have gone too far in focusing on Spraig, "How bizzare that this is how you interpret what rick has said -- a number of times." In a re-writing I would leave that line out. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> AIDS in India: A "lurking bomb." Click and help stop AIDS now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/VpTY2A/lzNLAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hurdy Gurdy Man revealed
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Debate as focussed on ideas. If there is some incorrect fact or > > logic, or one disagrees with presumptions of the poster, its all > > fine and good to present another view. Or to question what the > > poster meant. > > > > Gotcha posts are focussed on showing that the poster is dumb, > > perverse, a rogue, and liar, and/or a hypocrite - and the post > > focuses on these qualities, often repeatededly, and not the issues > > raised in the post. And a sense of vengence, vindictiveness and / > > or retribution often bubbles to the surface in Gotcha posts. > > You're talking about *tone*, then. That's pretty > subjective. Its far more than tone. Its primarily focus. Gotcha posts focus on personal attacks. Debate focusses on futhering the understanding of ideas. And it has to do with intent, though admitedly that is not always easy to discern clearly and without ambiguity. Though for example, on your recent post about Vaj's AMT posts, your intent appears clearly to show that Vaj is a liar and hypocrite, nad not to further any particular idea along. Though imputing motive can be quite a slippery slope and can, if done loosely, lead to perverse and tired accusations. > > As in your recent gotcha of Vaj. > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/80861 > > But you saw nothing vindictive in Vaj's post that > I was commenting on, right? He wrote: > > "Truth is there is too much interest in the 'gotcha games' or just > generic 'games' for this to stop. It's an old, old pattern. It's > clear to me, if many posts actually represented stabs at finding > truth or honest inquiry, we'd see some posts which weren't set > ups. Of course there are times when there might be a bone thrown > to keep obsessive chatter goin'. Gotta keep that linear flow. > Heaven forbid context branches or expands or morphs or shifts!" > Well, my view is that Vaj would have been clearer and more effective by chopping off the last half -- or editing it. But He is focused on an idea / content -- "gotcha games". He is not making personal attacks. He is not going for "the kill" -- al la "and therefore person x is an insipid miserable piece of shit". > And in an earlier post you said I seemed "incoherent" And your point in the idea that you were presenting did seem incoherent to me. Thats fair to say -- though I am sure it could be stated more polititely. A gotcha post would try to make the case along the lines that, as an EXAMPLE, "Judy Stein is always incoherent and her ideas should be discarded." > and went on to suggest that I was "steeped in spite, > hate and retribution." While that was not one of my better moments, it appeared to me that is what you had essentially said, and I was restating it. you had said, If there's one thing I detest more than dishonesty, it's hypocrisy." I had equated increasing levels of "detest" with "spite" and "hate" -- and equated "retribution" to your your fairly constant flow personal attacks on those that in your view are being dishonest and hypocritical. I then asked for collective prayers to help you rise above such. > Now, speaking of the subjectivity of evaluation of > tone, you could take what I just wrote as a "gotcha," > OR you could take it as a request for clarification > of your views on appropriate behavior I really don't see how. You said, "That the kind of gotcha game you're talking about, Vaj, where you get caught in a deliberate misrepresentation, er, I mean, an inconsistency?" "(And then pretend not to know that there's an online archive of the posts in question and suggest there's something peculiar about the person who has caught you "saving" all the posts? Did you really think nobody here knew about Google's archive but me and thee?)" "Great fantasy, Vaj. I hope it keeps you warm at night." I don't seeany sincere request for clarifidcation, but a series of snide attacks which appear to purport to show that Vaj is an asshole. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hurdy Gurdy Man revealed
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Poor, persecuted Vaj. How could he *not* feel a > sense of kinship with poor, persecuted Andrew? > > Innocent as the day is long, both of 'em. Such > harmless, well-meaning chaps. Truly a pity they've > been made to suffer so horribly. > And the knowledge being expanded and refined here is? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dark night of the soul described
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > He certainly does talk a good game, at least. His skin boys thought so too at first. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > we're just noting its incredible irony > because spiritual growth is usually equated with > greater compassion and understanding Yes. Absolutely. Compassion and understanding are the qualities that are just so clearly abundant on FFL, they just fly off each posting, a list of long-time seekers of spiritual growth. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Definition of one Liberated
I was original anon poster of this question. Finally back online to see descriptions of indescribable. Thanks for expositions of opinions. Given these responses, is there anybody here who claims this liberated state? Or close to it? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > we're just noting its incredible irony > > because spiritual growth is usually equated with > > greater compassion and understanding > > Yes. Absolutely. Compassion and understanding are the qualities that > are just so clearly abundant on FFL, they just fly off each posting, a > list of long-time seekers of spiritual growth. > Let us take Dr. Pete, who can't possibly be a real psychologist. A real psychologist would not be calling Tom his nigah. Tom never used that term. Also, "Dr." Pete spoke of Tom's character. Character is defined as something that doesn't change. You can get over many things, but character is typically used in the psych biz to denote that which is persistent. So Tom is forever doomed and damned because of his character. Supposing. Just suppose that Tom was using this forum to unstress. That would be unusual in such a group where even something as trivial as getting the date or spelling of something wrong is bait for everybody to pounce on the poster and play "Now I've Got You, You Son of a Bitch", wouldn't it? Supposing Tom has done what he really says he's done: used years of rolfing, this EMDR thing he described, CCP and yagyas to get through the unstressing of a childhood of continuous horrors few of us could possibly imagine? Suppose that he's telling the truth. That he and Ben did not hit it off and it does take two to not hit it off. Suppose that this new thing he's pursuing which he reports allows him to do full program for the first time in many years without feeling bad. "Dr." Pete is allegedly in the business of curing people. But "Dr." Pete's diagnosis is that Tom has shown his character. He is forever doomed to be a sonofabitch. Tom can't be cured. Tom is beyond any of the hope and comfort of every and all religions, because though they offer forgiveness, redemption and go and sin no more, that's not something available to Tom. Because of Tom's character. But wait. Tom isn't just a sonofabitch. He's a classic seeker. He'll never find. He'll never progress. He'll never get anywhere. Because he's a classic seeker. Did Amma just drop in on you one day and that's why you now follow her? Oh. But that's not seeking, is it? Tom says his politics leans more towards those of the Aryan Brotherhood. It's bad to be a racist. You put someone in a category that in your eyes they can never, ever redeem themselves from. Being a racist is bad. Diagnosing someone from posts and heaping derision upon them on the other hand, is good. Right? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "benjaminccollins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It was my experience that he was dealing with deeply routed issues and > was searching for answers. I'm no guru so I don't provide answers to > people nor do I tell them what to do. So did he find his guru? He didn't mention a new guru. This YBC group he's joined appears to work off a website and via email. Some people have exchanged emails with a lady called Caroline who appears to be the liason. From what I can tell, this YBC is totally opt in. So what answers could they be providing that you couldn't? I hear that you're very accessible by telephone. Is it possible that you encouraged his seeking answers? Can you say co-dependency? >I think that yagyas are a > useful tool to accelerate one's evolution and are a great supplemtn to > TM. The YBC people appear to feel the same way. They offer a yagya "For spirtual progress towards getting Enlightnment, to know about self (Atma), & getting life purpose and washout the past negative karma". It contains many special yagyas like Special Rudravishek + Aditya Hridaya Yagna + vishnu Mahayagna + Durga Saptasati/Chandi Maha Yagna + Hanuman Yagna + Lord Ganeanpati Yagna. Class A $10,000 12,400 Pundits/hours, Class B $5,000 5625 Pundits/hours and Class C 2100 Pundits/hours. It sounds like it could do even the one time Beach Boy Charlie Manson some good. The description doesn't go on to say that it is not meant for someone with Tom's character. > I always thought Tom was spending more than was sensible, but > that's what he wanted to do. It doesn't surprise me that he > eventually got all pissed off and went someplace else. Frankly I was > relieved. > Why did it not surprise you that eventually Tom got all pissed off and went someplace else? I'll bet both of you saw the yagyas weren't working, right? But you couldn't tell him they weren't working for him and because of his character they weren't ever going to work. Can you say passive-aggressive? So you're just an order taker then? You don't advise against spending too much money? I've heard from many that you give readings and recommend yagyas. Did Tom threaten you or otherwise force you to accept his money and perform his yagyas? Didn't you feel a little guilty taking money from someone for whom you knew the yagyas wouldn't work? > If these yagyas work for him great. But it is my opinion that yagyas, > meditation and any spiritual practice only take you so far and then > issues of character must be addressed before further progress is > possible. Tom's character issues have been amply demonstrated in this > forum, just do a search. So how does one address issues of character? I looked in the phone book and didn't see characterologists listed. Are we getting issues of character mixed up with feelings of hurt from being attacked? That's funny. I remember reading on your website that yagyas work for people who don't even know the yagyas are being done for them. Being a pain in the ass make yagyas not work? Didn't you feel it would have been wise to tell Tom that your particular yagyas don't work for people with Tom's character? Why did Tom's character become a problem to you and your gods only after he stopped doing yagyas with you and one of your major cash cows stopped giving milk? Losing his sponsorship all of a sudden must have set back your cash flow a bit. I've heard that you got very upset when Tom stopped sponsoring at high levels because he had promised to sponsor at high levels for a long period of time. He stopped after one year which appeared to him to be a long time. But Tom wasn't the only other major sponsor who dropped out at about the same time. Tom was perhaps the last straw? What sets your yagya apart from those of others? Tom seems very happy and has reported some very positive things with the yagyas he's doing now. Could it be that YBC is right and if certain transits aren't first appeased, the other yagyas won't work? Could that explain why your yagyas are hit and miss? Incidently, what is Tom's character? Is it out of favor with the gods? Do the gods favor people of only a certain character? I thought they burned off karma. The YBC site is very big on something they call a turning point. They define it as a time when transits have been appeased and karma has been suspended sufficiently to gain Support of Nature and remediation of one's life and lot in life. They don't mention character nor give a personality test first. Or do they? If you were so relieved when Tom stopped doing yagyas, why did you accept his money and perform his yagyas? I'm completely confused. You felt ill at ease. You felt he was spending too much money. Your yagyas don't work for someone of Tom's character. Yet you took his money and performed the yagyas for him. Didn't you feel any cognitive dissonance? Do you do TM? Do you have a conscience? Do the yagya work for
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Tom, you need to lighten-up a bit. When you post > comments in the past about niggers and kikes and then > talk about great spiritual experiences it is a bit > humorous, isn't it? I'm glad you're having great > experiences with your yagyas. No one's defaiming your > character, we're just noting its incredible irony > because spiritual growth is usually equated with > greater compassion and understanding which your > previous posts did not demonstrate. > -Peter Is this Tom guy what one you referred to as your nigah? You're not a psycholoist, are you? You didn't even sleep at a Holiday Inn Express last night as you wouldn't be putting the mark of Cain on someone's forehead. A psychologist has hope, nay, an intention that their patients get better. The believe people can get better. No, you can't be a clinical physchologist. You're an experimental psychologist at FAU. You write for the worm runners digest. But definitely you're not a clinical psychologist. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek Reavis" > > Can't claim to be subtle enough to notice any "results" per se but, > although results were partially a motivation to joining, the primary > value for me comes just from the sense of participation. It just > feels good to know that this is going on and that, in some small > fashion, I am supporting it. Check with Ben and "Dr. Pete to see if you have the right character for doing Ben's yagyas. Wrong character, the Gods stop on you. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Keeping Things Quiet (was Re: Hurdy Gurdy Man revealed)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Irmeli Mattsson" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > Yer just a plain nut. Its quite obvious that you have some kind > of > > > anger and pain that can only be appeased by mocking other > people's > > > pain and guilt under the guise of requesting inner revelations. > > > > > > > I think my husband would agree with you! > > > > Irmeli > > > > Let's play pretend: I have a much better idea than the one you propose below. I think you should pretend you didn't feel you had to answer every single post on FFLife with your meaningless nonsensical reflexive chatter. > > Let's pretend that I have had anger and hurt and emotional pain to > the point that I would scream hard enough that I would rip the > muscles of my adominal wall, making my para-umbilical hernia worse. > Let's pretend that you, as the internet counselor of great fame and > competence could evoke or re-evoke such feelings, bringing about a > further crying and screaming session with me lying on the ground, > curled in a ball sobbing while waves of pain were followed by waves > of euphoria as my body produced endorphins to try to compensate for > said torn muscles. > > Are you equiped, over the internet or in person, to deal with such a > reaction? Are you prepared to take the consequences of furthering my > physical problems? Let's pretend that as a result of said screaming > that my hernia is now large enough that I can't exercise without > either a brace of some kind or doing a "Napaleon" of literally > holding my guts in. And that if I don't, I have to make disgusting > squishing sounds as I poke my intestines back inside my abdomen. > > Are you emotionally, intellectually, and financially prepared to > handle the consequences of your manipulation of my emotions in such a > way, even though it must be obvious to all that it is really for the > best for me to "let go," even over the internet? > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM-Sidhis and Judaism
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "at_man_and_brahman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I have a copy of the video. It's probably > fairly rare in the U.S. Anyway that you can make a copy of this video and email it to the files in the group? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/abEMxA/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Emotional Healing'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > In reading some of the recent posts, and the feeling, > That the TMO avoids discussing emotional healing. > > I have had some experience with emotional healing. > Feeling what is at the root of what is blocking emotions. > Noticing what is coming up emotionally, staying with the feeling, > bring awareness to what is below the surface, what is held in the body > Talking about feelings in an atmosphere of unconditional love. > The idea that , that the soul itself, > Can heal what needs to be healed. > Generally, any emotion which is held, > a block, a lower vibration, of fear, or whatever.. > Meditation, by expanding consciousness, can bring the awareness > to feel, or view or 'see' what the block is; > or seeing 'it' for what it is; > Then some detatchment or some awareness of the emotional block, > Helps to release yourself from this sort of mental/emotional block. > All in all, we want to feel our emotions completely and fully. > Unfortunately, many of us who have lived in dysfuncional families; > And a dysfunctional culture, have trouble just expressing or just > knowing one's true feelings, or what we are expected to feel; > or > We can tend to feel numb or shutdown, or left-out, etc. > When avoiding what we are feeling... > > It would be appreciates for anyone to share, from personal experience, > How is it to heal emotionally... > How did it happen, what is a good way to think of what > Emotional healing is; what does it entail.. > R.G. > Imagine the day in the life of a cetain 5 year old boy. An only child, so no siblings to confide in or get help from. The boy comes home from school. It's freezing cold, blizzard conditions outside. The boy is as usual made to strip completely outside before entering the house. The boy has mud on his pants, so his mother's enraged. The boy is taken to the basement and placed in one of the wash tubs to be bathed, as dirtying the upstairs and especially the bathroom/bathtub is a no-no. While the boy is being bathed, his mother yells and screams at him for getting mud on his clothes (despite the fact that his clothes are stripped off him and washed every time he arrives at the house). His mother goes into her usual almost hourly tirade that the boy is no good, that he will get nowhere in life, that no one loves him, that he'll never be loved, have any friends or succeed in life. That God hates him and that he'll be forever damned. She tries to drown him once again, but he manages to free himself from her grasp before losing consciousness. Enraged more, his mother takes the stick she uses to poke clothes into dye or bleach in that sink and beats him with it. Eventually dad comes home and is enraged that his wife is angry at the boy. He makes the boy kneel for hours, naked, in the closet of his bedroom on coins which dig into his knees, to pray to God to become a good boy, despite the fact that he is forever damned, that he is useless, terrible, that he is not loved, will never be loved, will never succeed, never have friends, will be shunned by all. Imagine that afternoon and early evening are repeated from the age of 1 to 18 years old. Imagine that the fraternal uncle the boy begs help from decides to fuck him up the ass, dry, at the age of 7, while the boy pleads to his uncle for deliverance from these parents between the strokes which tear apart his rectum. Imagine a child who spends most of his time shaking and trembling and going to the police and neighbors begging for help but being shunned and told to go away and to stop shaking and trembling like that. There's a possibility that someone having grown up under such circumstances might have "issues". That the person might have "problems with anger" and might not want to be characterized by the resident psychologist of a forum related to TM and spiritual matters to be damned forever because of his "character". Suppose while the man who survived that has been through the therapy but TM and other spiritual practices at times unearth some of the pain of the past. Imagine that when TM causes some unstressing of the pain, the utterances of pain the man writes into an occasional post are used with glee by people on the spiritual path and even a pundit in training to be something they can use to pounce upon the man and denounce him and damn him forever in post after post. Emotional healing is difficult. It is painful beyond belief. Bearing it all without complaint, without revealing the pain or the past but being denounced by people who take sport in it like they're in the audience at the Coloseum in Rome two millenium ago is just another part of the life of someone officially designated by health professionals who are experts in their field as a "survivor" is just another afternoon in the life of such a person. It hurts. But it doesn't hurt as much as the typical afternoon the person faced as a 5 year
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > Tom says his politics leans more towards those of > > > the Aryan > > > Brotherhood. It's bad to be a racist. You put > > > someone in a category > > > that in your eyes they can never, ever redeem > > > themselves from. Being > > > a racist is bad. Diagnosing someone from posts and > > > heaping derision > > > upon them on the other hand, is good. Right? > > > > Yes to all the above...now what? ;-) > > > nice aikido move, Peter > Enjoy yourselves, guys. You haven't reached enlightenment yet and Laura Calvert, so full of life, innocence, joy, optimism and happiness both went on to a better place, as the post said, and died. You may, too, before you reach enlightenment. As you rip, so shall ye sew. We don't remember the joy of the last life during the current one. Perhaps you will have the great honor of living the life others like Tom endured. Perhaps you'll have the honor of remembering the joy while you're being ripped to shreds in your next life. Then again maybe not. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Drugs Don't Discriminate. Get help for yourself or someone you know. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0I.OUB/ZbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO threatens South Florida teacher and magazine
FWIW a dear friend has been teaching TM out of synch with the TM org for about a decade now. Early on the same TM legal dept. sent him many very scary *cease and desist* letters which, though they scared my friend, did not stop him. Nothing came of it and he has been quietly and steadily teaching TM all this time, probably averages ten intiations or so per month (charges $495). --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > on 12/7/05 2:02 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > >> > > >> There is absolutely NO threat in that letter whatsoever. > > >> > > >> > > > > > > It will be interesting to see what happens with this magazine > > > advertising thing. My guess is that the TMO will have shown "good > > > faith" in protecting their trademark and the magazine will stop > > > advertising for the uncertified teacher at least using the > words "TM" > > > and "Transcendental Meditation," if they haven't already. As far > as I > > > know, the owner of a trademark can arbitrarily yank permission for > > > someone to use that trademark any time they want.Certainly, the > TMO has > > > given plenty of warning concerning recertification, rajah > craziness, > > > etc. > > > > I believe Mike Scozarri is recertified. But the course made him > realize just > > how bizarre and cultish the whole thing has become, so he bolted. > > > > > > DId he sign any new paperwork? If he did, like as not, he has NO > legal leg to stand on. If you agree to play the game "their" way and > then decide you don't like "their" way, you can always go start your > own game, but you CANNOT claim that you're playing the game their way > while condemning them for playing the game their way. > > He who owns the trademark gets to make the rules, so unless his > lawyers can show some illegal actions on the TMO's part, he can't do > a thing. Even if he DOES show illegal actions, all he can ask for is > monetary compensation. He STILL can't use the trademark without the > owner's permission, no matter how strange the owners get. > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Need Help? Get Help! Tools and Strategies for Healthy Drug-Free Living. http://us.click.yahoo.com/wI.OUB/dbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Tom, was Laura Calvert at MIU? The name is so > familiar, but I can't a face to the name. Perhaps I can answer your question. Laura Calvert was an Okie who migrated to Austin, TX because she was a groupie and because she had friends with money (one of them was Tom) who helped her out. She was a well known figure at MIU for years. She was on staff and then worked for one of the Dare to Rip off the Rabble and Wind up in Jail companies in FF (sidhas are so superior to the rabble as "Dr." Pete will attest). When the Dare to Rip off the Rabble company prospered, Laura used to spend her money on plane tickets to Austin. Laura ruined her credit by reopening and supporting the Austin TM Center after Dare went to prison and the company folded, in direct opposition to the people of Radiance, TX, who wanted her gunned down or at least run out of town. Texans are so genteel, as GW Bush the Connecticut native will attest. She was, after all, so declasse. Imagine. An Okie teaching TM within blocks of the Univerity of Teasippers. She didn't even have a law degree like the people who ran the original TM center on Guadalupe and formed and populated Radiance with their pocket change, my Gawd! Purusha came, took over the Austin TM Center then closed it down. Laura received sponsorship to go to many courses and eventually decided to accept sponsorship for the rest of her life on Mother Divine. Actually most likely the sponsorship was handmaidenship. It was and maybe still is the practice to employ servants and offer them sponsorhip on MD in exchange for their cooking and cleaning and sucking up to those with the superiority only money can buy. Laura apparantly got ill and went home to Oklahoma to die. She is survived by her parents and her smoking, beer swilling good ole' boy brothers. Laura was so proud of herself years ago she emailed Tom about how she was following the Blood Type Diet and had not eaten a single thing with transfatty acids in it in years. She's also survived by Tom, with whom she had a falling out because one evening she called Tom on his 700 number (Tom gave Laura a pin which reversed the long distance charges) and took great umbradge with Tom because he had obviously been drinking. Reminds one of Edith Bunker's brother who died of a heart attack while jogging back from the heathfood store. When Laura ran the Austin TM Center she made Mother Tereass look like a greedy snob. Another reason the populace of Radiance,TX, founded and populated by greedy snobs, used legal action to take over the Austin TM Center and toss Laura out of it and out of town. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AQDrNC/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Emotional Healing'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek Reavis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Comment below: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > **SNIP** > > This is a terrible personal history and I cannot imagine any reader > here not moved by it. Despite some of the rancor exchanged on this > site I don't believe I'd be wrong to say that everyone only wishes you > well and hopes for the highest happiness for you. > > Marek > Happiness could start by watching the "Dr." and the Pundit in training being gutted, drawn and quartered as compensation for making statements that the person who suffered this terror on a daily basis has "problems", "issues", known "character" (just search the archives) defects and is forever damned because of it. The person who suffered this daily terror not only doesn't agree with the "Dr." but would defend to his death the right of anyone who felt it proper to hunt down the "Dr." and beat him to a bloody pulp for expressing such opinions. This is not a threat nor an attempt at rancor. It just seems fitting that the "Dr." who makes these gloating prouncements should experience a couple hours of what the person he's damned and derided suffered daily. But he'd not truly experience the terror of it all. He allegedly is an adult and has options. The 7 year old who begged his uncle for help in dealing with his parents while having his rectum torn apart and was so happy to be taken to the hospital for surgery to fix the damage because he'd be safe from being murdered for a few days in hospital had no options. But then again, he can't be a real "Dr." of Clinical Psychology else he'd know suffering and be sensitive to it. A real "Dr.", even a real person, would know how to make a truly convincing apology. Part of being a real "Dr." is to teach and show responiblity. The victim in this case has received many honestly expressed apologies from Drs. for being late or missing an appointment. It's also something the doctors do to show that they are not like the abusers. They are not soliciting nor do they want to elict parent/adult responses. They want to facilitate and encourage adult/adult interaction. The "Dr." is a fake and a phony or a very sick individual himself who chose the profession to seek a cure. One of these parties to this discussion has been certified as cured. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Drugs Don't Discriminate. Get help for yourself or someone you know. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0I.OUB/ZbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I want to stop sticking my fingers into Tom's > emotional wounds and causing pain. So, I apolgize to > him for my initial wise ass crack, and want to move on > to more fruitful discussions, like who did MMY try to > bone in the past! Discriminating minds want to > know! Nobody is stopping you. Make a real apology, not a brush off, then move on. You caused serious pain. Make a serious apology commencerate with the pain you caused. Be more than just a punk for once in your life. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/HcoraC/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Emotional Healing'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > In reading some of the recent posts, and the feeling, > > > That the TMO avoids discussing emotional healing. > > > > > > I have had some experience with emotional healing. > > > Feeling what is at the root of what is blocking emotions. > > > Noticing what is coming up emotionally, staying with the feeling, > > > bring awareness to what is below the surface, what is held in > the body > > > Talking about feelings in an atmosphere of unconditional love. > > > The idea that , that the soul itself, > > > Can heal what needs to be healed. > > > Generally, any emotion which is held, > > > a block, a lower vibration, of fear, or whatever.. > > > Meditation, by expanding consciousness, can bring the awareness > > > to feel, or view or 'see' what the block is; > > > or seeing 'it' for what it is; > > > Then some detatchment or some awareness of the emotional block, > > > Helps to release yourself from this sort of mental/emotional > block. > > > All in all, we want to feel our emotions completely and fully. > > > Unfortunately, many of us who have lived in dysfuncional > families; > > > And a dysfunctional culture, have trouble just expressing or > just > > > knowing one's true feelings, or what we are expected to feel; > > > or > > > We can tend to feel numb or shutdown, or left-out, etc. > > > When avoiding what we are feeling... > > > > > > It would be appreciates for anyone to share, from personal > experience, > > > How is it to heal emotionally... > > > How did it happen, what is a good way to think of what > > > Emotional healing is; what does it entail.. > > > R.G. > > > > > > > > > Imagine the day in the life of a cetain 5 year old boy. An only > > child, so no siblings to confide in or get help from. > > > > The boy comes home from school. It's freezing cold, blizzard > > conditions outside. The boy is as usual made to strip completely > > outside before entering the house. The boy has mud on his pants, > so > > his mother's enraged. The boy is taken to the basement and placed > in > > one of the wash tubs to be bathed, as dirtying the upstairs and > > especially the bathroom/bathtub is a no-no. While the boy is being > > bathed, his mother yells and screams at him for getting mud on his > > clothes (despite the fact that his clothes are stripped off him and > > washed every time he arrives at the house). His mother goes into > her > > usual almost hourly tirade that the boy is no good, that he will > get > > nowhere in life, that no one loves him, that he'll never be loved, > > have any friends or succeed in life. That God hates him and that > > he'll be forever damned. She tries to drown him once again, but he > > manages to free himself from her grasp before losing > consciousness. > > Enraged more, his mother takes the stick she uses to poke clothes > into > > dye or bleach in that sink and beats him with it. > > > > Eventually dad comes home and is enraged that his wife is angry at > the > > boy. He makes the boy kneel for hours, naked, in the closet of his > > bedroom on coins which dig into his knees, to pray to God to > become a > > good boy, despite the fact that he is forever damned, that he is > > useless, terrible, that he is not loved, will never be loved, will > > never succeed, never have friends, will be shunned by all. > > > > Imagine that afternoon and early evening are repeated from the age > of > > 1 to 18 years old. Imagine that the fraternal uncle the boy begs > help > > from decides to fuck him up the ass, dry, at the age of 7, while > the > > boy pleads to his uncle for deliverance from these parents between > the > > strokes which tear apart his rectum. > > > > Imagine a child who spends most of his time shaking and trembling > and > > going to the police and neighbors begging for help but being > shunned > > and told to go away and to stop shaking and trembling like that. > > > > There's a possibility that someone having grown up under such > > circumstances might hav
[FairfieldLife] Keeping Things Quiet (was Re: Hurdy Gurdy Man revealed)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm the one who DOES acknowledge being under medical treatment for > medical conditions (OCD AND ADHD) and what do I get? Oddball > characters using my diagnosed medical conditions to generate personal > insults. > > You've just proven to every mature person on this forum how low you > will sink to score points in an argument/disagreement. Mature persons don't visit this forum. Read the posts. > > What next, calling the person in a wheelchair a gimp and strutting > around as though you've scored a point? > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/HcoraC/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO threatens South Florida teacher and magazine
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > http://thequietpath.org/contact.php > > > > So does the TMO see ANY of the money? > No they do not. Please remember, that earlier this year, Maharishi made mention, in one of the weekly conference calls, that he knows there are TM teachers out there teaching independently and he (amazingly) gave his tacit approval. Maybe Bob B (or someone) knows how to find that post and can reference it. KH Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Need Help? Get Help! Tools and Strategies for Healthy Drug-Free Living. http://us.click.yahoo.com/wI.OUB/dbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Emotional Healing'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It > > hurts to be denounced when in posts one objects to such things. > > But that's just another afternoon as life of a survivor who's going > > through the emotional healing. > > Imagine adopting a child like this. > > I can't tell you the hell these kids go through. While I wouldn't > suggest anyone adopt a child with severe Reactive Attachment > Disorder, I do know there is a great need for these children to have > treatment at the outpatient and the inpatient long term settings. Our > foster care systems breed these conditions--trust me on that. And if > they go untreated, these are sociopaths in training, just waiting to > be unleashed on society. > Not every child develops AD. Some merely develop PTSD with a few big Ts and a some little Ts. It's the little Ts that are hard to work on. Not every one of them become sociopaths. Some go on to become very loving, productive and useful members of society although they do carry around a great deal of hurt and in this child's case, terror and anger. The terror kept the anger in check. As usual it depends on the child. They're not all cut out of the same batch of cookie dough. It's becoming well established that children become who they are and the adults they'll become through nature, nurture and chance. Recent studies of grown twins bear out the chance part to be very important. Astologers make a big deal out of the seconds between births. Twins studies increasingly show that the smallest, almost inperceiveable differences in environment each twin experiences makes a big differnce in who and what they become. This child was exceedingly resilent though constant terror, especially of being murdered by his mother made and kept this particular child both hypervigilant and more resilent. The child's strong religous beliefs and faith helped as well. AD has a lot more to do with very early experience. There was enough love in this child's relationship with his parents (thought the true account didn't make it seem that way) such that he did not fail to develop a conscious. He developed an overactive conscience. He spent a great deal of his life attempting to save others from their misery, perhaps because his mother and father flipped/flopped between being abusive and begging for love, understanding and care, perhaps he was playing out the wanting to be saved from misery himself. Some of the wanting to save can show itself in very bizarre ways, like taking a black crack addict he befriended to Mt. Pleasant, IA with him to see Amma. Instead of playing football in college, he was a cadet on the volunteer first aid squad and since he was too young to drive, would end up often alone with the patient in the back of the ambulance on the way to the hospital. He got to deliver babies, though still in many ways a child himself, valently tried to recussitate those who were already dead. He went on to be a high school star, went on to college/medical school (the Six Year Medical School at a prestigous university), left medical school because he found being around sick people too demanding of his empathy/sympathy, fell in love, married, became a young widower who never remarried. He was then and is still considered by women to be a "good catch" because of his income, devotion and, yes, ability to show affection, caring and love. The tragedy of this particular child is that there was no social system in his surburban/collegate area. Think of Mt. Pleasent, IA sans the mental hospital in the 1950s. The thought of foster care never came up because child abuse (and even the rapes by the child's uncle) were not seen as such (hence the denial by the police, neighbors, relatives and school counselors that there was a problem). Also, the child seemed somewhat troubled but developed normally. The belief that such a thing couldn't possibly happen in the boy's community was also a blessing in disguise. Instead of entering "the system", he stayed with his parents. Had the child been separated from his parents, it would have been traumatic, as he developed a sort of Patty Hurst syndrome. Had he been a foster child, his ability to attach, ability to love and intellect would not have made him a horror but a joy to have, love and hold. As the man develops close friendships with men older than himself and outs himself to them, he finds that many pillars of society grew up with childhoods even more horrific than his. It's the very "system" you reference and increasingly urban life which turns such child into sociopaths. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/HcoraC/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://group
