[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Space Time/Windy Intercourse'
--- A noiseless patient spider, I mark'd where on a little promontory it stood isolated, Mark'd how to explore the vacant vast surrounding, It launch'd forth filament, filament, filament, out of itself, Ever unreeling them, ever tirelessly speeding them. And you O my soul where you stand, Surrounded, detached, in measureless oceans of space, Ceaselessly musing, venturing, throwing, seeking the spheres to connect them, Till the bridge you will need be form'd, till the ductile anchor hold, Till the gossamer thread you fling catch somewhere, O my soul. --Walt Whitman In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Before too long, everything will change. Real Change to Believe in. Integration of Faith. A feeling of 'Oneness' The return of the 'Eternal Moment' The end of Time as we have experienced it. Space is more mysterious? What is space? Where is it? Are you too spaced to follow this? At the deepest core of Self, Lives a giant, as big as the universe itself. It expands in all directions at once. All things happen there: rain, sun, moon, thunder, electric lightning; High altitude winds, jet stream, gets pulled to earth, to cleanse, and spins in a negative counterclockwise direction. The heat air rises up to the jet stream and the two winds, Hot and cold, rise and fall, creating a kind wind intercourse. Sometimes, with messy results Although the original intention was good...] R.G.
[FairfieldLife] neat pics - vicinity of Arunachala
pics taken by Richard Clarke or his wife - vicinity of Arunachala. http://luthar.com/2008/06/20/arunachala-pradakshina-june-2008-full-moon- part-one/
[FairfieldLife] complete set of Clarke's pics -
at http://www.luthar.com (index at right) Along with the Song of Ribhu. For those not familiar with Arunachala, this is the Hill which Ramana Maharshi lived on, or near; after arriving there in 1896, until his death in 1950.
[FairfieldLife] Hurdy Gurdy Man
Hurdy Gurdy Man ringtone Thrown like a star in my vast sleep I open my eyes to take a peep To find that I was by the sea Gazing with tranquillity. 'Twas then when the Hurdy Gurdy Man Came singing songs of love, Then when the Hurdy Gurdy Man Came singing songs of love. Hurdy gurdy, hurdy gurdy, hurdy gurdy, gurdy he sang. Hurdy gurdy, hurdy gurdy, hurdy gurdy, gurdy he sang. Hurdy gurdy, hurdy gurdy, hurdy gurdy, gurdy he sang. Histories of ages past Unenlightened shadows cast Down through all eternity The crying of humanity. 'Tis then when the Hurdy Gurdy Man Comes singing songs of love, Then when the Hurdy Gurdy Man Comes singing songs of love. Hurdy gurdy, hurdy gurdy, hurdy gurdy, gurdy he sang. Hurdy gurdy, hurdy gurdy, hurdy gurdy, hurdy gurdy, hurdy gurdy. Hurdy gurdy, hurdy gurdy, hurdy gurdy, gurdy he sang. Hurdy gurdy, hurdy gurdy, hurdy gurdy, gurdy he sang. Here comes the roly poly man and he's singing songs of love, Roly poly, roly poly, roly poly, poly he sang. Hurdy gurdy, hurdy gurdy, hurdy gurdy, gurdy he sang, Hurdy gurdy, hurdy gurdy, hurdy gurdy, gurdy he sang
[FairfieldLife] typical Neo-Advaitin I-Nome
Recently I was on a bus and a rather nice looking young lady came on, and passing a seated couple (apparently husband and wife); the wife said keep it in. I thought that was rather amusing, and indeed; might be applicable to many popular Gurus who put on a show of disinterest in such things. This dude has been around for a long time: I-Nome. Check him out. http://www.tinyurl.com/5kfnjz
[FairfieldLife] Re: typical Neo-Advaitin I-Nome - Samadhi definitions
-Nirvikalpa Samadhi (Definition from the Glossary of The Song of Ribhu, English translation by Dr. H Ramamoorthy and Nome. Published by SAT.) Nirvikalpa Samadhi, in which the meditator makes himself free from all thoughts and distinctions, free of all differentiations such as the knower, knowledge, and the known, and in which the mind ceases to be active. It may be divided into two subcategories: 1. Subjective: Here the mind is steady like an unflickering flame in a windless place, indifferent to both objects and sounds and in which the ideas that arise in Savikalpa Samadhi are absent. It is likened to an empty pitcher placed in the sky having nothing inside or outside. 2. Objective: Here the meditator, plunged in bliss, perceives no external objects. He is completely absorbed in the contemplation of Brahman; all illusory phenomena are merged in Brahman; he is indifferent to the manifest world and also to such ideas as akhanda (the undivided), eka rasa (the single essence), and such. It is likened to a pitcher placed in the sea with water inside and out. Sri Ramana Maharshi refers to nirvikalpa samadhi as complete absorption in the Self with resultant oblivion to the manifested world, as a state of blissful trance but not permanent, like a bucket of water lowered into a well. In the bucket is the water (the mind) that is merged with the water in the well (which is the Self), but the rope and the bucket still exist to draw it out again. Sahaja Samadhi (Definition from the Glossary of The Song of Ribhu) The Maharshi declares that Sahaja Samadhi is pure, uninterrupted Consciousness, transcending the mental and physical plane, yet (to an observer), with awareness of a manifested world, and full use of mental and physical faculties; Sahaja is a state of perfect equilibrium, perfect harmony, beyond even bliss, comparable to the waters of a river merged in those of the ocean. Sahaja signifies what is effortless, natural, and innate. It is the state of Being the Self and the Self Alone. This article was written by Richard Clarke, who has attended satsang with Nome since 1990. Much help and guidance in the writing was provided by Sarasvati. -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, matrixmonitor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Recently I was on a bus and a rather nice looking young lady came on, and passing a seated couple (apparently husband and wife); the wife said keep it in. I thought that was rather amusing, and indeed; might be applicable to many popular Gurus who put on a show of disinterest in such things. This dude has been around for a long time: I-Nome. Check him out. http://www.tinyurl.com/5kfnjz
[FairfieldLife] Alan Jacobs explains the many Neo-Advaitin fallacies blind leading the blind.
at http://www.tinyurl.com/5zpvf4 (explained from the pov of Ramana Maharshi's Self Enquiry): The Neo-Advaitins claim there is no one there to make any effort. This is absurd. The energy for the wish for liberation arises and the intelligent part of the `phantom ego' begins Self Enquiry and its support practices leading to one pointedness. If there was no one there to make effort, how does any work get achieved on this planet at all? Self Enquiry needs preparation, as David Frawley has pointed out in his excellent books on Advaita and articles in the Mountain Path. Self Enquiry may not yield an immediate perceivable result. It commences a graceful process of removing the obstacle of obscuration to the Realisation of the Real Self. To borrow metaphors from the Gospels, the Kingdom of Heaven within is the pearl of great price. It has to be earned by earnest enquiry and surrender. The real purpose of Life in this birth is not merely to enjoy oneself in sensual pleasure but to summon the necessary effort to remove the phantom ego's sense of separation and identification with the mind, thoughts feelings and body. If the blind lead the blind both shall fall into the ditch. It is truly a marvel of Maya that some Neo-Advaita teachers can state personal views which suggest that their knowledge is more profound than that of the Maharshi
[FairfieldLife] another witless Neo-Advaitin zombie: Tim
from his website, http://www.omkaradatta.info pic at http://www.tinyurl.com/6gjsgd to quote: I will be speaking here about deeper subjects - life itself. My guru is Nisargadatta Maharaj. I did not meet his body, it was a meeting of minds and hearts - of lives. Like he did with his guru, I listened to his words and did what he said: Just BE. Every word he said turned out to be true. People hesitate to use the word enlightened - as if there were something egoic about it, something self-centered. To me, it means lightened, light. The load has dropped, ego-momentum is finished. I am all there is - inclusively. It is amazing - when other goes, all are my Self - we are all the same Being. You are really me. The world is myself. Samsara is Nirvana. This is the final understanding. -- -- Current Reflection (24 April) - Morning Ruminations This has been a most unusual incarnation - most unusual. I have explored nearly every boundary there is to explore, within the confines of physicality. I have been manic, depressed, psychotic, panicky, obsessive-compulsive, homeless, drug-addicted. I have experienced successes and failures, relationships and aloneness, noise and silence. If I died tomorrow, I would have to admit this life has been exceedingly full and remarkable. So what have I learned? That is the mystery. I haven't learned anything of note, except perhaps that attachment is what binds us here as physical beings. Life remains a mystery to be lived, not a puzzle to be figured out. I have no further conclusions, nothing to add beyond this. The more I continue to explore, the deeper the mystery becomes. Life cannot be contained by thought or thinking, cannot be expressed in words, cannot be put into a box. It is about interdependence and independence, and it is about love. As far as consciousness goes, I continue to be the witness. As Reality, I continue on forever as the Supreme Self. I watch, I smile, I enjoy. And I relate to you - relationship is my very nature. Thank you for reading.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer
---But if you said I always tell the truth: all my statements are lies...well; that could be a paradox. Liar's Paradox, Wiki: In philosophy and logic, the liar paradox encompasses paradoxical statements such as This sentence is false. or The next sentence is false. The previous sentence is true. These statements are paradoxical because there is no way to assign them a consistent truth value. Consider that if This statement is false is true, then what it says is the case; but what it says is that it is false, hence it is false. On the other hand, if it is false, then what it says is not the case; thus, since it says that it is false, it must be true. History In the sixth century BC the philosopher-poet Epimenides, himself a Cretan, reportedly wrote: The Cretans are always liars. The Epimenides paradox is often considered equivalent or interchangeable with the liar paradox, but they are not the same. The liar paradox is a statement that cannot consistently be true or false, while Epimenides' statement is simply false, as long as there exists at least one Cretan who sometimes tells the truth. It is unlikely that Epimenides intended his words to be understood as a kind of liar paradox, and they were probably only understood as such much later in history. The oldest known version of the liar paradox is instead attributed to the Greek philosopher Eubulides of Miletus who lived in the fourth century BC. It is very unlikely that he knew of Epimenides's words, even if they were intended as a paradox. Eubulides reportedly said: A man says that he is lying. Is what he says true or false? In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- On Tue, 7/1/08, sandiego108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: sandiego108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, July 1, 2008, 11:11 PM --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: Rick would know. I can't remember and don't know if its still active. Its been a few years. you're lying... All my statements are lies. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Square root of 1% -- The Movie
---Sounds like a Blade Runner world, without the origami unicorn.: As Deckard loses his grip, Roy seizes his arm and hauls him onto the roof, saving Deckard. As Roy's life fades away, he calmly sits and delivers a soliloquy about the experiences of his life: I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain... Time to die. Roy dies peacefully. Deckard is left reflecting when Gaff, who arrives after the duel, calls from a distance, It's too bad she won't live; but then again, who does? A worried Deckard returns to his apartment and is relieved to find Rachael alive. As they leave, Deckard finds an origami unicorn, a calling card left by Gaff. Depending on the version, the film ends with Deckard and Rachael either leaving the apartment block or driving through an idyllic pastoral landscape. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sandiego108 sandiego108@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: The Square root of 1% -- The Movie http://youtube.com/watch?v=bwIYBO1RgD4 http://youtube.com/watch?v=bwIYBO1RgD4 OffWorld I remember that course for two things-- the incredibly deep silence during meditation, and the high-handed behavior displayed by the TMO- - I had reserved a single room, paid for, months in advance. While trying to register for a room for 6 hours in the crowded lobby of one of the hotels, I watched as single room after single room was given away to TM teachers who just showed up on short notice. I was finally given a shared room at 10:30PM. My roommate woke me up at 2:30AM when he came in. I did my morning and evening program the next day, met a few old friends, and then just packed up and left. Last course I attended. Personally I never felt much on that course. All I wanted to do was go kayaking in Quebec on the ocean with ma gal. Which I did before the course was over. We drove out from Iowa, got lost in DC, asking directions in the ghetto, and when we got to the campus, we hoisted our 13 foot kayaks up the stairs to our 3rd floor room and kept them in the room because we didn't trust to leave them on top of the car. I was impressed no-one complained about that. I stayed at Galudet which was pretty cool because the only noise you would get is occasional person screaming in the ghettos nearby, occasional gunshots, and police choppers, and the deaf people on campus shouting at each other using sign language (yea, real noisy people). Apart from that it was real quiet for a city. I remember the women bought Bevan a white suit, which he was embarrassed by at first, and I remember the fundie christians standing outside the flying halls telling us to repent. Everyone politely ignored them. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Laksmanjoo's statement re: Ramana Maharshi Arunachala.
http://www.kashmirshaivism.org/letter_from_holy_man.html
[FairfieldLife] Vin Daczynski: Lakshmanjoo's weather-changing siddhi
http://www.curezone.com/blogs/fm.asp?i=969333
[FairfieldLife] Re: On Mugabe and others
---thx...great ideas. Churchill: Many forms of government have been tried and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that Democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed, it has been said that Democracy is the worst form of government except all those other forms that have been tried from time to time. Lady Astor once told Churchill: If you were my husband, I'd poison your coffee. Churchill replied: If you were my wife, I'd drink it. Why do you paint only landscapes? a friend once asked Churchill. His reply: Because a tree doesn't complain that I haven't done it justice In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, guyfawkes91 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There seems to be quite a lot of head whirling going on over M's support for a lot of extremely nasty dictators. The simple fact is that M seemed to use one criterion only for supporting a head of state, do they support us?. In Mugabe's cases he had promised land for a new meditation center, probably thinking it was a tourist hotel near Victoria Falls. Similarly with Marcoses in the Philippines, they were searching for a way to control violent unrest and heard about how the ME was supposed to help, so Imelda gave some support and we went there and embarrassed the hell out of everyone, as we always do. (It was a great 4 months though!) If Bush and Blair had offered to build a peace palace somewhere then everything would have been forgiven and they'd have been praised to the sky. Maharishi was never hot on ethics, utility was always the be all and end all. Couple that with the fact that authoritarian dictators can steal land from people and give it away to some group that promises to relieve them of their troubles and you've got a perfect partnership. The TMO promises to subdue a restless population through the ME, and the dictator buys into it because they're running out of bullets and friends. It looks like a cheap way to stay in power, but of course it never is because the ME doesn't work. The only reason these unpleasant people were ever supported was because they had, or might have, or suggested that they might get around to it someday, given some material help to the TMO. The motto of the TMO is Utility before Ethics
[FairfieldLife] Re: Congratulations on the Re-election of President Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe
--by Mikey Weinstein on the Pentagon: Let me make it clear. We are dealing with a Christian Taliban. They hate when I say that but that's too bad. If you look at Chris Hedges Book American Fascists: The Christian Right and the War on America you'll see that the Christian Right is a fascistic organisation. And remember, I'm not a bleeding heart liberal -- not that there's anything wrong with that. I know the Christian Right would love it if I were a tree-hugging, Chardonnay-sipping, Northern California Democrat. I'm not. I come from a conservative military family. My youngest son just graduated three months ago from the Air Force Academy. He's the sixth member of my family to go there including myself. We have three consecutive generations of military academy graduates and over 128 years of combined active duty military service in my immediate family. I spent three and half years in the West Wing of the Reagan White House as one of his lawyers. I've been Ross Perot's general counsel. I didn't want to have to get into this fight. But when I say the Christian Taliban I frickin mean the Christian Taliban - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , ruthsimplicity no_reply@ wrote: The press release has this interesting statement: To fund this development the government doesn't need to borrow from abroad. It just issues an alternative currencya couponand loans it to the project for the start-up costs, and to immediately improve the farmer's housing and living conditions. The coupon's validity is restricted to the locale of the project, and it lasts for only a three-year periodand thus inflation is avoided. When the first crop is exported and dollars are earned, the government coupon loan is repaid by the project in dollars. So today's government issued coupon becomes tomorrow's dollar in the National Treasury. The money (or coupon as they state) expires in three years. Thus it appears that the last person holding the coupon gets nothing. Doesn't make sense. If that was the case the farmer wouldn't be able to use the coupon to buy stuff to improve the farmer's housing and living conditions because no one would want to be stuck with the coupon. Maybe the stuckee can turn it in for standard money after three years? If so, why not have the government loan real money in the first place? Oh yeah, they don't have the money. And if you can turn it in for real money in three years it is inflationary. They created money out of nothing. Nader, Nader, Nader. Oh dear. The whole creating money out of nothing is an interesting issue to watch with the TMO.. RTFLMAO ! ! That's what you Americans have been doing for decades, in fact since the beginning of your country you have been LITERALLY printing money out of nothing. When Benjamin Franklin was in London, before the French and Spanish support of the illegal insurrection by the land grabbing, slave driving american province traitors to freedom-fighters, he was called into the Bank of England (founded by a Scotsman) and asked where they were getting all the money to buy so much? His answer: Oh, we print our own money. Bank of England's answer (the Brits funded the protection of the provinces, with money and blood of young soldiers, from the Papist fascist countries who would have imposed mono-theism on US if it were not for the Brits fighting them down) said: Oh really, can you stop doing that please. Then the Americans sided with the mono-theist Papist countries, in what for the British was one small battle (the American War of Independance) within a World War against the Papist fascist tyrants...which ultimately the British won.) Even today, one of the main reasons for the economic collapse of US is the fake printing of money by the federal Reserve and basing it on nothing. LOL, the irony of this complaint of printing your own money from an American leaves me in awe and laughter. Thanks for the laugh. OffWorld I think the only people left on Planet Earth that refer to Catholics as Papists are Lyndon-Larouche types, members of the John Birch Society, and the KKK. And, of course, OffWorld.
[FairfieldLife] Algae attack on coastal China
http://www.tinyurl.com/3mc2f6
[FairfieldLife] Successor to SBS: Swami Shantinand Saraswati
at http://www.tinyurl.com/585nzy
[FairfieldLife] Re: Seer Veronica June, 2008
--thanks for the valuable New Age lessons from Veronica! Here's some Cthulhu lessons from Olson: Gee, mom, Tommy Anderson said, the afternoon of the next day, in the Anderson home (which, of course, had beautiful Anderson windows). Cthulhu seemed really down last night. He just had a rough night, that's all dear, June said, washing dishes in the kitchen. But he failed! Tommy protested. Now, Tommy, Ward said, putting down his paper. I know Cthulhu didn't succeed. I know he went on a rampage, destroying the comedy club, eating the audience members except for Roseanne, Judie, Julie, and ourselves, and proceeded to ravage downtown, causing millions of dollars in property damage, hundreds of deaths, and driving thousands more into total insanity. But, and this is the point, he tried. And I think there's a lesson in that for all of us. Golly, I guess you're right, dad, Tommy said. Ward smiled. - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, R.G. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The World of Now The reality earth plane on which you currently exist is a result of the energy of your participation. In the time line each generation has left an imprint of positive + negative that has tipped quite vigorously into the negative. This is a result of being unconsciously without the influence of the soul. Most will reply to this vehemently that they have participated religiously within the parameters of their linear consciousness... the spiritual influences being regulated by a confined perspective that places all spiritual power + creation to an outside source. Our position is that by bringing the soulful energy into the person [it] can alter the imbalance that is occurring. Generations of incarnated souls have been aligned to place the power of thought outside of themselves. The idea of a god being the omnipotent energy that decides the path of the physical beings that worship him. Now that the planet's energy is dangerously askew we implore all souls incarnate to bring that omnipotent energy where it belongs, to the internal thought process by which all of you create reality (i.e. free will). Your current linear is salvageable, however, the declaration of concentrated thought must be reclaimed so that the balance of energy can be regained. Free will is the claiming of the thought process that saves... so to speak... everything. Do not feel the linear influence - Oh I am but one. All of you come from unique entity sources designed to bring a balance of perspective to your linear creation. Participate energetically. Your connection to others may + will influence the mass consciousness creation that has gone awry. Seize each day and bring your energy to it. It will make a difference. Think. Be persistent. Be linear while expressing your eternal soul. It is why you are here. Become the energy of your soul and all will be well. What if you were the one soul needed to tip the balance to the more positive participation? --VERONICA
[FairfieldLife] pic of a Raja with octopus
at http://www.tinyurl.com/63vx9b
[FairfieldLife] Re: My visit to Seelisberg
---from http://www.srigurudev.net ; adapted from the Paul Mason book: After Swami Brahmananda's death, people were left wondering who, if anyone, would be appointed in his stead. It will be observed that one of the preconditions of entitlement to this post is being born a Brahmin. Brahmachari Mahesh, being of the Kshetriya caste, was not eligible to hold this venerated office. So on Friday, 12 June 1953, at the wish of Swami Brahmananda, his close disciple Sri Swami Shantanand Saraswati Maharaj was installed as successor to the throne of Shankaracharya. With his master's passing Brahmachari Mahesh took leave of the monastery and retired to the caves of the Valley of the Saints in Uttar Kashi, high in the Himalayas. It was in this remote and ancient place that Swami Brahmananda had found his guru and taken initiation into the mysteries of yoga. The destination he sought lay on the outskirts of town, an ashram by the name of Sri Shankaracharya Gyan Mandir. Having arrived at Gyan Mandir, Mahesh committed himself to prolonged spells of deep silence [end of quote]. While meditating in the caves, the Mahareeshee may have experienced something like this: http://www.tinyurl.com/5k8nw4 In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: snip It isn't me who makes this stuff up; it's been well known in India that he was a leading suspect for a long time. Actually the rumor was started by some of Guru Dev's disciples in the ashram who resented MMY's closeness to Guru Dev This is interesting. What is the source for this information? A long, detailed, thoroughly documented essay written some years ago on the Jyotir Math succession controversy by some scholar whose name I can't remember who had made a study of it. Not a TMer, incidentally, and holds no brief for MMY. --especially since he wasn't a Brahmin-- and there was all that brouhaha about Guru Dev's successor. He hadn't named one publicly, which is how it's apparently normally done. All there was was this will that named several people. MMY was backing one of the people Guru Dev had named that the others didn't think should get it, but he did, for awhile at least. I never heard this. Maharishi was backing a Shankaracharya? In what way? I thought he was in the mountains. It seems unlikely that he would have any backing power until after he had come to the West and became rich and famous. Then he could choose his own Shankaracharya with some power to back him. Can't tell you. That's what this scholar guy said. MMY may not have gone to the mountains immediately, and he did have some amount of influence because he had been so close to Guru Dev. Don't know what exactly his backing consisted of; it could have been administrative in nature--getting things organized quickly for his candidate's installation before other people could get together a movement to oppose it. Soyou write these things as gospel (which you did...nary a IMO to be seen) but the source is some scholar guy who you cannot recall? And this is the same person who busts Barry for his recollection of the 9/11 hijackers note? What a fucking joke!
[FairfieldLife] Ramakrishna's first meetings with Vivekananda
from Stripping the Gurus by Geoffrey Falk: Further, after having met his foremost disciple, Vivekananda, for the first time, in the throes of an agonizing desire to see the young man again, Ramakrishna confessed: I ran to the northern quarter of the garden, a rather unfrequented place, and there cried at the top of my voice, O my darling, come back to me! I can't live without seeing you! After some time, I felt better. This state of things continued for six months. There were other boys who also came here; I felt greatly drawn towards some of them but nothing like the way I was attracted toward [Vivekananda] (Disciples, 1979; italics added). Ramakrishna went on to describe his favorite disciple variously as a huge red-eyed carp, a very large pot, a big bamboo with holes and a male pigeon. In later days, the prematurely impotent, married guru once went into samadhi (i.e., mystical ecstasy, generally involving a loss of awareness of the body) after having mounted the young Vivekananda's back. As to what excuse the great guru might have given for such mounting had it not sent him vaulting into ecstatic perception of God, one can only guess.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TESP gains governmental recognition at last!
---Your karma is worse for getting duped by that phoney Benjamin Creme. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tertonzeno tertonzeno@ wrote: ---The basic underlying idea (this concept began early on in the Movement - thanks in large part to MMY and Jerry); is that big bucks (say 100 mil); would be sufficient to jump start the prison project (and other projects - peace palaces, pundits, etc). But MMY already acquired the 100 mil a few years back and that hasn't been accounted for. Bad karma, I'd say! With all this thinking about dollars and money, money, I assume you are an american ? I wish you luck, but I can assure you that you are on a wrong track. There is probably no worse karma these days than being born an american. Maharishi tried to eliviate you from this curse coming to your country in 1959; I pray His efforts was not in vain.
[FairfieldLife] Re: GC, CC, XTC ... WOO!
--Can't speak for Jim but I liked it since it shows what a big difference there is between you and the Great Ones: (e.g. Karunamayi, Shreemaa, Amma, Guru Dev, MMY, Dalai Lama, SSRS, etc...on and on); vs the mediocre ones: (e.g. Ramesh Balsekar, Gangaji, Andrew Cohen, Byron Katie, Eckart Tolle, Wayne Liquorman;...in seemingly endless appearances like termites coming out of one's wall). Quick - call the bug man! - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sunyata [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is too easy to put ourselves into a trance using familiar, high-sounding words ... so please don't start. I won't either. The great movers and shakers were not small egos; they were, in the very best sense of the term, big egos, precisely because the ego (the functional vehicle of the gross realm) can and does exist alongside the soul (the vehicle of the subtle) and the Self (vehicle of the causal). To the extent these great teachers moved the gross realm, they did so with their egos, because the ego is the functional vehicle of that realm. They were not, however, identified merely with their egos (that's a narcissist), they simply found their egos plugged into a radiant Cosmic source. The great yogis, saints and sages accomplished so much precisely because they were not timid little toadies but great big egos, plugged into the dynamic ground and goal of the Cosmos itself, plugged into their own higher Self, alive to the pure atman (the pure I-I) that is one with Brahman; they opened their mouths and the world trembled, fell to its knees, and confronted its radiant Goddess. I pray that I never have to say that again. How is that for a description dear SanDiego?
[FairfieldLife] Re: The beliefs of Sant Mat Charan Radhasoami
---Thx for posting this - most interesting! (especially in view of the behavior of such Sant Mat Gurus as Thakar Singh. He blames his deviant behavior on the Kal Power): [from a David C. Lane website]: The Way of a Sexually Deviant Guru: Legitimizing Contradiction Perhaps the one greatest obstacle confronting Thakar Singh's claim as the true successor to Kirpal Singh was Thakar himself. Unlike other gurus in his tradition, Thakar Singh's moral life has been thoroughly scrutinized and found wanting. Indeed, it has been well documented by a variety of sources--both within and outside the movement--that Thakar Singh has embezzled money, engaged in illicit sexual relations with a number of western female disciples, and conducted violent exorcisms on several devotees. In an unprecedented move to clear the matter up, Thakar admitted to some of the charges claiming that These devils had been working very strongly on my lower self including body and mind and also had been creating great disturbances in the Sangat in all parts of the world. The women problem is also a result of temptation of these devils on my pure Self and in this respect could succeed to some extend [sic: extent]. But it did not squelch the criticism which eventually resulted in a large exodus from his movement, including the resignation of his chief representative, Bernadine Chard, of northern California. In wake of the scandal and the lawsuits between Darshan Singh's group and Madam Hardevi's, Thakar Singh lost the property rights to Sawan Ashram and had to give up his residence there. He is continuing to act as a guru, but his original core following has dwindled drastically. W.V. Rohr, a former devotee in Germany, sent out an international circular against Thakar Singh. His letter partially outlines the impact of the scandal: That man [Thakar Singh], to whom I looked up during the past 7 years as spiritual Master and Guru, has admitted that he is not above mind and matter, above negativity and mental temptations. I cannot keep quiet the truth, as others seem they can. . . New facts concerning unholy activities on the level of sexual contacts as well as disappearances of Manav Kendra funds and donations by satsangis have come in the meantime. My personal consequence is: 1. I withdraw totally from any and all Satsang and Sangat activities whatsoever; 2. will not visit satsangs, where his words are displayed; 3. do not look upon him as spiritual Master or Sant Sat Guru in the line of Sant Kirpal Singh; 4. have requested [of] him [Thakar Singh] full report and refund of funds cashed in under use of catastrophe; 5. will continue sincerely with Light and Sound meditation and also Simran, as he is a Kirpal initiate and help and guidance is prayed for from Kirpal--until a truly spiritually and morally clean Master has been found, who is truly working in Kirpals [sic] name and with His order. Although the first expose of Thakar Singh occurred publically in 1984, it was not until 1988 that the media in the United States got wind of Thakar's sordid past. During this time several women who claimed to have been abused by the guru came out with personal statements, describing in vivid detail Thakar's predilection for sexual deviance. In light of Sant mat succession, what makes Thakar's fall from grace significant is that he did not resign, nor did the majority of his disciples quit the movement. In fact, a number of devotees justified Thakar Singh's unusual actions. It is this process of justification which we will want to examine in depth; however, before we do that we need to closely examine the ways by which Thakar Singh strayed from orthodox Sant mat principles In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Special claims of Sant Mat-The disciple is told that Kal, (Satan) the negative power stood on one leg for millions of years in order to get a boon from Anami Radhasoami (the highest creator). Because of the unbelievably admirable austerity performed by Kal Anami gave him pure souls who were living in the highest region in order that Kal could animate his otherwise inanimate creation. These souls became locked and trapped in the creation owing to the laws of Karma. Originally, one ninth or one tenth of the souls who were residing with Anami Radhasoami did not want to leave and go down to Kals Creation; however the supreme being was under such an obligation to Kal that they had to go anyway. But the supreme being made a promise to them that He, himself, would take birth and in human form He would grant them initiation and teach them how to return to their True Home. Those special souls would be called Marked Souls, since they were marked by the Father for return to their spiritual home. No other souls had this possibility, but were eternally doomed to traverse the cycle of 8 million 400 thousand species of life. The fact that the
[FairfieldLife] Re: Memo to New TM Leaders: How NOT to Be a Cult
--Is this like a support group for people battered by Catholic Nuns? - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, taskcentered [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Judy, I make no secret of my views on TM. I criticize some aspects of the TM Movement. AND I praise meditation http://knappfamilycounseling.com/mostly.html for most people. For goodness sake, I offered links to my site so people can judge for themselves. Could you elaborate on the history you allude to? Dark insinuations without any details do a disservice to everyone. I may be wrong, Judy, but it seems when people disagree with your own views re TM, you attack them with disparaging labels -- ignoring the substance of what they have to say? All this serves to do is change the subject. Making it hard for others to deal with the substance of what I wrote. I have to disagree with your point re my character. No matter what my personal failings, and I have many, what matters is what I said, not who I am. And I am genuinely open to what anyone else has to say: additions, deletions, suggestions of any kind. I outlined the reform I want to see in the TM Org. And I've talked about them for 13 years. (Anyone may read my old post for themselves.) Could we talk about that? I do charge for my counseling services. In our culture, that's what medical and mental health professionals do. I publish sliding scale fees knappfamilycounseling.com/available.html#sliding_scale based on a client's ability to pay. Publishing one's sliding scale is unusual for mental heath counselors. (Please note that my fees are far below national average for counseling. I do this to make my services available to as many people as possible.) I also publish megabytes of information and self-help articles for free, in the hope that most people will not need my services. If anyone has suggestions on how I could offer services even more widely, while still supporting my family, I would certainly listen. The TM Movement cannot say the same. Even the reduced rate of $1,000 for a technique that takes about an hour to learn seems out of line to the public at large -- as well as to many loyal TMers. Then there's the $1 million bucks for the Raja course.. Openness and transparency, particularly re financial matters, is at the heart of the reforms I propose for the TM Movement. I believe I practice them in my personal and professional life. As always I'm open to criticism or suggestion in this area, too. Rambled on enough. He who defends, loses. J. Ruth. Some of us have known him for a long time. There's nothing wrong with what he says; it's who's saying it-- this *particular* former TM teacher--and what his motives are. We have ample reason not to take what he says at face value. There's a history here you aren't aware of.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: What if?
---Some techniques might be similar to TM in practice, but none can equal TM in Shakti power. If so, name one. (anyone). In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: sandiego108 wrote: But what if it is the most efficient, the easiest to practice, provides the greatest benefits after the shortest amount of time? What if after more years pass, after all the measurements have been made, and a global concensus reached, TM emerges beyond all the hype to be the supreme technology in its field? What if? Once again (for the thousandth time) THERE IS NOTHING SPECIAL ABOUT TM! It is just like any other yogic meditation for the masses though it uses Nope, not just like any other. And, while you keep insisting that your teacher and all other yogic meditation teachers teach the same innocent, effortless technique as TM, I question your judgement. TM is taughtr adically differently than what is most commonly taught under the label meditation. Sometimes the difference is subtle, sometimes radical. Consider teh meditation teacher who tells his students to grit their teeth and keep on plugging away at thinking the mantra, even when discomfort arises, and only stop if it gets so painful that they can't stand it any more. Consider the meditation traditions that tell you the pattern of breathing you must use when thinking the mantra. Consider the meditation traditions that insist that the mantra can NEVER change, and if it does, you must immediately work to ensure it is perfectly pronounced the same way at all times. Consider the meditation techniques that insist that the mantra is more important than any other thought. Or the ones that say substitute the mantra for other thoughts. And so on. None of these remotely describe TM in my opinion. Do they in yours? Lawson I would say that your experience of other techniques as well of discussion with teachers of other techniques is simply shallow as your comments prove. There are many schools of meditation taught in ways that do not differ that much at all from the procedure of practicing TM. But then some people think that their computer is better just because it has a certain logo on it too. :) Huh, so you're going from Once again (for the thousandth time) THERE IS NOTHING SPECIAL ABOUT TM! It is just like any other yogic meditation for the masses though it uses To There are many schools of meditation taught in ways that do not differ that much at all from the procedure of practicing TM. If that is your new stance, how can I object? I'm not familiar with eery meditation teacher out there from every tradition. Lawson
[FairfieldLife] Re: What if?
---You're probably right, but my main interest (aside from personal Sadhana) is investigating Spiritual Movements and techniques which are headed toward changing the world at large; so we can get out of the current Tamasic mess and into something approaching a mini-age of Enlightenment. If the Gurus you speak of are only instructing people in a handful of elite students; I'd say - more power to them; but what about possible earth-changing influences that are more likely to occur with hundreds of thousands of practitioners? On an individual basis, yes; such Gurus may have the capacity to impart a high level of Shakti into the given mantras. But if their numbers of students are few in number then we can use a multiplication rule: Let a = the amount of Shakti dished out to each person, and b = the numbers of persons. Then the product (a * b) = the total Shakti. This is important in view of making genuine progress toward a real Heaven on Earth. Another example: take a Shakti level which is quite low - say the amount radiated by the average Evangelical Christian. (mostly mood- making but there's some degree of Shakti). OK, a = quite low, but b = in the hundreds of millions of people. Therefore (a * b) far outstrips the miniscule Shakti generated by the combined numbers of TM practitioners and all of their butt bouncing. Now just the opposite: your Tantric Gurus can impart a large amount of Shakti (a = large); but unfortunately b = very small (the numbers of practitioners). Therefore, (a * b) in this case is minute; and the combined effect of such Gurus in the world will be negligible. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hoh! The guru mantras that you get at an initiate into tantra are so powerful they are not given to just anybody. You have to prove to the guru that you can handle them. The shakti from TM is like a flame from a match compared to the giant beacon of a guru mantra. You have to take caution practicing a guru mantra. That's why practitioners are known to use sandalwood paste on the forehead to keep cool during meditation and ashwaganda to keep the nervous system strong. matrixmonitor wrote: ---Some techniques might be similar to TM in practice, but none can equal TM in Shakti power. If so, name one. (anyone). In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield super radiance and Iowa weather
---on curing cancer (below). Try FLAX HULL LIGNANS. Here's one statement: ARAI is publicizing testimonials and test results as children and adults have taken the product for the 90 day testing period. The results are very impressive and many people have been relieved of much suffering. AIDS patients have lost their wasting symptoms of AIDS and have had HIV viral load levels drop significantly. Some have had levels drop to non detectible within 90 days. Cancer patients are reporting reductions in the sizes of tumors. Diabetes Type 1 patients have had a total leveling of sugars in the bloodstream, and the list goes on. Google the web for best price. I got mine from http://www.goldflaxseed.com in Fargo, ND. I don't market supplements. Note: this product is not flax seeds. It's flax hull lignans. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Human beings have the possibility of living a life of unlimited happiness and intelligence...snip Well I don't know about unlimited happiness or intelligence, but my life is rock'n pretty good. Is this the state you are claiming Bob? Unlimited happiness (that sounds positively gay) and unlimited intelligence? Cuz if you have unlimited intelligence part, wouldja mind curing the cancer? I've got some loved ones who could use the application of your unlimited intelligence to cure cancer. (If you tell me it's their karma so you can't do it even though you could I swear I'm gunna do something right out of the UFC and it won't involve Shotakon Karate) Do you see how a person might think that such a claim is just the parroting of a dead guru's claim that was never proven by him either? Not so much? I figured that. But even more earnestly now, can you possible see how making claims for stuff that you yourself with all your practice are not living is total bullshit? Again, not so much? Still gunna meet with the ship behind the comet Kohoutek are ya? I know you are not entertaining the negativity of my question but I'll just put it out there in another form: How exactly do you know that humans are capable of unlimited happiness and intelligence? How do you know? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , new.morning no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Jun 18, 2008, at 10:43 AM, feste37 wrote: My complaint is that there is a serious lack of sin in Iowa. When I want to sin (which is frequently) I have to travel for it. 1) There appears to be sin a plenty in Iowa. Number one, an huge sin, is Iowa holding all presidential candidates hostage to supporting ethonal in every election. The loss to the economy. and the huge waste in the dearly needed funding for real renewable energy sources - - not to mention having a role in raising world food prices -- leading to a crises for the many who cannot affrd food at 2-3x the price. 2) Huge industrial hog confinement and slaughter farms. These are real sins. Not victimless crimes adapted and sustained pressure from religious fundamentalists and fanatics. *** Beyond what we see usually as sin (and Iowa's economy is certainly substantially based on cruel exploitation of animals -- even the corn grown there is for animals who will be slaughtered) is the notion that the greatest sin is failure to evolve, failure to live up to the potential of sat chit ananda which is the capacity of the human life. When Jesus approached a fig tree, he found it barren, which caused him to curse the tree, and it withered away: Matthew 21:17-22 17. And he left them, and went out of the city into Bethany; and he lodged there. 18. Now in the morning as he returned into the city, he hungered. 19. And when he saw a fig tree in the way, he came to it, and found nothing thereon, but leaves only, and said unto it, Let no fruit grow on thee henceforward for ever. And presently the fig tree withered away. Human beings have the possibility of living a life of unlimited happiness and intelligence, but like the fig tree that produces no fruit, the great majority of people live a life that produces no happiness for themselves or anybody else, which is contrary to the spirit of creation, which is for the expansion of happiness. The universe is just not wired to let people live ignorant and miserable lives -- nature will always reject unhappy people and encourage people (by the carrot of happiness for right behavior and the stick of suffering by wrong behavior) to seek the unlimited awareness and happiness that can only be found within. This guidance of nature is the ultimate
[FairfieldLife] Re: Realization-- from the FFL archives
--Flaws in your interesting discourse... (by way of example): doesn't explain how an Enlightened person like A (mentioned before) can still be Enlightened and be a child molestor. - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sandiego108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I stumbled across this in the vast archive of FFL messages, and thought it was worth a copy and paste (its not mine): Knowledge is different in different states of consciousness. I'm trying to get us to stop talking about devotion, free will, etc. from the waking state (the relative), and start talking about it from the Absolute side of the fence. Why? Because I've heard Maharishi say, on numerous occasions, that devotion is meaningless until CC (Self-realization) has dawned. Before that, he says, who is surrendering? We don't even know who we are, so how can we sur- render? We are unreal, so what are we giving up? What are we surrender- ing. Surrender only has meaning when something significant is to be given up, surrendered. Surrender is only meaningful from a place of strength. Only in CC do we know who we are. THEN surrender has some meaning. Before CC, all action is already being performed by the Self, but the in- dividual, unenlightened ego claims credit for everything. It claims to be surrendering, just like a prisoner in a prison might say in his de- lusion I'm here voluntarily. But no matter what he says, he is there at the control of a higher power. If he continues to insist that he has free will, those who know the reality will just smile and call him deluded. In ignorance, no individual is making any choices. They just PRETEND they are, and then they have discussions about the mechanics of making the best choice, and what will be the effects of my various choices. But it's all delusion. In CC, when we stop identifying with that ignorant individuality, and realize that we are the Self, then, for the first time, we realize that we actually DO have free will, because we are the One Self that exercises ALL the free will, we are finally The Doer. We are finally free, and only in freedom is free will possible. The prisoner in our example may decide to stay in jail, be locked in his cell to sleep at lights out, take a shower at 8am, etc. He may decide to surrender to the higher authority of the prison warden. But you and I know that he is going to do those things whether he thinks he believes that he's decided to surrender to them or not. Only, with one set of beliefs, his life will be full of pain and suffering, and with the other set of beliefs, he will flow with the reality THAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN ANYWAY. Even his choice of which prison warden has control over him is out of his hands. He doesn't choose his prison, or his warden. The system sends him where it thinks he will do best. Same with the choice of a guru. The system chooses for us, runs us around through life till we are brought to where we are meant to be. And from the outside, our actions may look like we've been exercising our own judgment, but we are in the matrix, and the program is being run by the Self (or by Nature, or God, or karma...) In CC, the decision to surrender to something even bigger can have mean- ing. In CC the surrender of infinity to a larger infinity is real. In waking state, the surrender of a finite dreamer, of a delusional exis- tence, to infinity is meaningless, is an illusion, and does not happen the way the ego would like to claim it does. The ignorant, relative ego is totally moved by the Self. It is just a wave of the Self. All thought, speech, and action is powered by the Self. 1. The resistance to That by the ego, the claim to be a separate power, is the actual content of ignorance, IS the ignorance. 2. The acceptance of That by the ego, IS the awakening, is Self- realiza- tion. The Self that we were pretending is less real than the ego, now becomes more real. It is real-ized.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bliss --Who here amongst us has kindness, love and compassion for all.?
---Advaita refers to non-dual awareness, not outer actions. It's possible that A. fellow mentioned before was established in Being as in established in Being, perform action; which (apparently) can be a co-existing state along being a sexual pervert. There are those who would question MMY's level of Awareness by virtue of his outer actions, going back to the 70's. Baba Ram Dass (Dr. Richard Alpert) had serious doubts about MMY's level of Consciousness due to MMY's apparent attachement to $$. Ram Dass said...He's still attached. Sorry, Ram Dass, you're confusing the two types of attachment. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boo_lives boo_lives@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero yifuxero@ wrote: --You're confusing the issues. MMY definitely taught Advaita (non- duality - Cf. Science of Being and Art of Living, and BG). But true, one can make a case that he and the TMO as a whole is/was short on compassioncompared to Amma or the Dalai Lama. How many advaita teachers are selling a gazillion products, saying you have to live a house facing east to get enlightened, need to dye and fade the cloth for a lifetime to get enlightened, need to pay pundits to do yagyas to deal with bad planets, set up a rigid hierarchy of less to more enlightened positions within his mov't, have a mov't even? I can't think of a less advaitic teacher than mmy. Yes. This is what I don't understand at all. Plus all these other things are so bogus.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bliss is Stupid
---without the Bliss, half (since the total = 200%), or 100% of the benefits of Self-Abidance would be eradicated. Since the Neo-Advaitins have only the 100% and are not into an appreciation of the celestial/glorified levels of creation, they wouldn't have much left! In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: More seriously, the reason bliss is stupid is that it an object of experience. When you experience bliss you are in complete and total bondage to it. Bliss is just an object of experience. Bliss is not liberation. Bliss is not pure consciousness. Yeah, I figured that was what you were saying. But why all the emphasis on bliss by MMY? The bliss I have felt (beyond silly bliss of being happy for no reason) did not feel like bondage, but instead past that. I am having trouble groking the bondage claim.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment,.....
---You're describing the Neo-Advaitic state; far short of Enlightenment. For one thing, you agree that there are GC markers: to quote...the senses associated with GC is a necessary step in order to achive Awakening So what where the indicators in your experience (involving the most subtle levels of creation); that you accepted as being genuine GC markers?? Still curious as to your response. Thanks for your help. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sandiego108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well said Peter. Yes, Awakening is Awakening is Awakening, whether in India, Tibet, Dublin, or Kansas (well, maybe not in Kansas...just kidding). The most important thing you have said here, imo, is that Awakening/Enlightenment is lived as an experience. it is not some mental gymnastics, or carefully held thought in the mind. I think the point you raised of GC experience being a valid marker along the way, to distinguish any mental gymnastics from a milestone on the road to full Awakening is a good one, since the refinement of the senses associated with GC is a necessary step in order to achive Awakening. The other key component apparent to the recipient of Awakening is skill in action. I mention this in light of misunderstandings that Awakening is possibly associated with disassociation, retardation, memory loss, and other undesirable attributes. It is this skill in action, possibly a corrolary of refinement of the senses and devotion, that makes the non-attachment to actions possible. It is the skill in action that validates the Awakened state *to the Awakened one*, and brings to fruition the inner state of complete freedom in thought, action and silence. This also distinguishes the permanent establishment of Enlightenment from a transitory experience, which comes and goes. This skill in action, where the thoughts, activities, and silence of the night and day go on perfectly, almost effortlessly and seemingly by themselves is the clearest validation of permanent Awakening, to the Awakened one. That's 50 for me-- back on Saturday. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: --- tertonzeno tertonzeno@ wrote: ---Right - the neo-Advaitic Awakening; although non-dual, doesn't match various descriptions of Enlightenment. I don't think there are varieties of Awakenings to the transpersonal dimension of consciousness. There are different descriptions due to cultural and linguistic differences. For one thing, the Awakened people almost never describe their own experiences through the progression of CC, GC, and UC. This was Maharishi's model (and perhaps some others') As Maharishi himself said, A large hall has many entrances. To extend the metaphor, different entrances have different experiences leading up to the hall itself. They then go on to say they are unattached to any manifestations of subtle realities and have thus fully transcended them. I think we are in partial agreement here. Many people involved with Neo-Advaita teachers just have a conceptual understanding of Realization and go around spouting all sorts of nonsense, as if Realization was founded on a waking state concept! All is one! I am that! I'm not the body! If this is not a direct experience, then its a silly concept. This doesn't mesh with the idea of Kundalini markers that MMY mentions; Maharishi NEVER prioritized kundalini markers as any criteria of Realization. Kundalini is simply subtle energy in (and around) the body. Realization is not based on kundalini, although there is a radical shift in subtle energy flow in Realization. I'd say you're putting the cart before the horse here. Perhaps other enlightenment traditions place importance to these markers, but MMY never did. It doesn't mean they're invalid, but just a different entrance again. as well as the various subtlties of perception that one must pass through on the level of GC. Now this is a curious fact. Most of the people that have spoken about their enlightenment experience through Neo-Advaita teachers have no experience like MMY's GC. Perhaps this reflects an authentic experiential difference, or perhaps not having the concept, they have no conceptual distinction to make within their experiencing. The fact that one is unnattached to such signs means little. Neither are ignorant people attached to the signs. Imagine a bobsled race to Nome, Alaska; at which various referees are stationed along the raceway to record the passing of the competitors. If a competitor fails to be recorded at a station, he's out. Same way with the Awakened people. They can spout off buzz words like Awakening, Presence, etc; but that's all they can talk about since most are probably
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rising Insanity of the Age of Enlightment
--Yes...in this tradition, there's no quibbling about the Names being actual gods; even though a few can also be interpreted as impersonal energies or levels of Shakti. (but of course, people in Surat Shabd Yoga: ( Sant Mat, Radhaswami, Ruhani Satsang, etc.) wouldn't dare use the term Shakti lest somebody be tainted by traditional Hindu terms). Also, you'd never find any claims of 5-7 years to reach the goal; although 3 lifetimes is sometimes mentioned. - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero yifuxero@ wrote: --- Right: I've been initiated into Surat Shabda Yoga: by representatives of Darshan Singh, Charan Singh, and Thakur Singh. The 5 Names are 1. Jot Narinjin, 2. Omkar 3. Rarankar 4. Sohang 5. Sat Nam. The seeker repeats the Names over and over again slowly. I couldn't detect any power whatsoever in those mantras; so I continued with TM (which does have Shakti-power in it). Fascinating, thanks for the info, though my friend had mentioned a few of those words I wasn't sure what they all were! That group has some funny beliefs too, here's only one, but a whooper: Merely by initiation alone, a sadhaka (initiate) is relieved (by the Masters magic erasure) of *ALL* of his past (Sanchita) karma, only his present (Prarabdha) karma has to be worked out, and he is gauranteed moksha in 4 lifetimes! I think all of this nonsense is a result of the Sikh Religion's disenchantment with Hinduism. Also, there can only be ONE Sat-Guru on the planet at one time, and OH, it just happens to be theirs...Ha,ha.
[FairfieldLife] Lycopene protects the skin from UV rays
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[FairfieldLife] Sri Bamakhyepa, the Saint of Tarapith
at http://www.tinyurl.com/4gx2rn The mad saint of Tarapith became famous for his yogic powers and even people from far away came to see him. Some sought nothing but his blessings while others asked to be healed or helped in distress. Bamakhepa healed many sick people with his psychic powers. Once a dying man came to Tarapith and asked Bamakhepa for prasad (consecrated food). Bamakhepa took pity on him and fed him with his own hand. Soon after, the man miraculously recovered and walked home. There was a leper in Tarapith by the name of Nanda Handi, who belonged to the untouchable caste. Nanda often brought Bamakhepa food and, although he was a Brahmin of the highest caste, Bamakhepa accepted Nanda's food. In return for the favor, he gave Nanda some mud one day and asked him to rub it on his sours. Nanda did as told and the terrible leprosy left his body. A man form Balagram by the name of Nimai suffered terribly form hernia problems. He had so much pain that he was unable to maintain his family. Thinking he was of no use to anybody, not even to himself, he resoled the commit suicide. Rope in hand; he came to Tarapith one dark night with the intention to hang himself. Suddenly, he heard a terrible voice. It was Bamakhepa calling upon Ma Tara. Nimai was too scared to commit suicide and, not knowing what to do with himself, he remained in Tarapith near Bamakhepa. One day Nimai enraged Bamakhepa because he lit his pipe on Bamakhepa's holy dhuni fire. The angry saint kicked the hernia patient in the lower part of his abdomen and Nimai fell down unconscious. But to his great surprise, when Nimai got up some time later, he was completely cured of the hernia afflictions.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Some people who reached cc within 5-7 years, whom I've met:
---Nothey were lying to you and telling me the truth. You project a certain level of abrasiveness which might turn people off. They would then tend not to divulge their innermost secrets to you. On the same level of credibility - 1. Jerry Jarvis, 2. Charlie Lutes (when comes to discussing his own direct experiences), 3. Walter Koch, 4. Theresa Olsen, 5. Peter Ports In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sandiego108 sandiego108@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Are you saying you are certain none of those people are enlightened? I'm saying that I knew all of these people, and that I've heard four of the seven clearly say that they were NOT in CC or any other higher state, long after the five-to-seven year mark. In other words, I don't know what their state of consciousness was, but they seemed to. This is just matrixmonitor's self-importance bullshit. I assume that these people were enlightened, therefore they are important, therefore I was slightly important because I saw or met them once. You find the same phenomenon in every spiritual trip, but rarely with the same level of naivete that one finds it in TM. And you are absolutely sure these people were telling you the truth? Given the less than positive reception one finds in discussing the subject of enlightenment, I am leaving the door open that these people were being less than candid with you. It is certainly possible that these people were lying to me, and to the groups of TM students they were in all cases addressing. But of course, if they *were* enlightened and lying about it, all that would prove is that the enlightened are capable of looking fellow TMers in the eye and lying their socks off to them. Somehow, I can see why you would find that explanation more acceptable than the possi- bility that they were simply telling the truth.
[FairfieldLife] Some people who reached cc within 5-7 years, whom I've met:
(The Malibu - SIMS crowd): 1. Jerry Jarvis 2. Keith Wallace 3. Bob Boyer 4. Theresa Olsen - I met her at the house where MMY stayed in. MMY wasn't in LA at the time. Helen opened the door and my friend and I walked in. Tina was doing the dishes. Met Theresa and Roland. 5. Walter Koch - engineer, retired to Santa Barbara 6. Peter Ports - from Bay area, an unassuming, humble person whose pic may be seen in group pics with MMY; tagging along behind. The SRM group: 7. Charlie Lutes probably Helen too.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Some people who reached cc within 5-7 years, whom I've met:
---cc according to MMY's definition, not an experience of cc. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are probably plenty of people here who had experiences of CC 1-2 years after learning TM. No big deal. Then there are probably folks here who have rarely had a clear experience of transcending. I've met both. Humility, intelligence, verbosity and even clear thinking aren't necessarily related to enlightenment. matrixmonitor wrote: (The Malibu - SIMS crowd): 1. Jerry Jarvis 2. Keith Wallace 3. Bob Boyer 4. Theresa Olsen - I met her at the house where MMY stayed in. MMY wasn't in LA at the time. Helen opened the door and my friend and I walked in. Tina was doing the dishes. Met Theresa and Roland. 5. Walter Koch - engineer, retired to Santa Barbara 6. Peter Ports - from Bay area, an unassuming, humble person whose pic may be seen in group pics with MMY; tagging along behind. The SRM group: 7. Charlie Lutes probably Helen too.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Some people who reached cc within 5-7 years, whom I've met:
--Some stated it outright, and I believe their statements. For example, in a 1967 lecture at UCLA, Jerry Jarvis was talking about cc and and in his usual fashion, allowed questions from the audience during and after his lecture. At one point, somebody asked, are you in cc, and how long it take to reach cc?. Jerry stated, yes, 5 years. I'll get back to you on the others. Can't spend much time on the computer today since I have to finish my workload and get back home in time to watch Criminal Minds. - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of matrixmonitor Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 12:14 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Some people who reached cc within 5-7 years, whom I've met: (The Malibu - SIMS crowd): 1. Jerry Jarvis 2. Keith Wallace 3. Bob Boyer 4. Theresa Olsen - I met her at the house where MMY stayed in. MMY wasn't in LA at the time. Helen opened the door and my friend and I walked in. Tina was doing the dishes. Met Theresa and Roland. 5. Walter Koch - engineer, retired to Santa Barbara 6. Peter Ports - from Bay area, an unassuming, humble person whose pic may be seen in group pics with MMY; tagging along behind. The SRM group: 7. Charlie Lutes probably Helen too. I know/knew all these folks too. What makes you think they are/were in CC? I mean, they may be/have been, but how would you know? The only way you know someone is in CC is to ask them. If they say Fuckin' A, Bubba they're in or out or nowhere at all! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.16/1432 - Release Date: 5/14/2008 7:49 AM
[FairfieldLife] Re: Some people who reached cc within 5-7 years, whom I've met:
-Thx...I agree. However, there are several types of egos. As pointed out by another contributor, we can describe and define a social ego that includes a collective manner of habits, and conditionings built up over a long period of time, based largely on a predictable mode of interacting with others. The various types of egos are often confused and conflated in Neo-Advaitic discussions. For example, one statement may say, the ego has been eradicated; but what's been eradicated is the notion of an internal I based on a fictitious self-identity centered somehow in the mind as a type of core. There is no such core. Nevertheless, the individual may continue to interact with others (perhaps) in the same way as before, with the same social ego. Such an ego may include what many regard as perverse sexual relationships and an usual level of greed. -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jack Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: Well, as you know, you can't experience CC because nobody's there to experience anything or, more accurately, to experience nothing. he-he! To clarify: nobody's there to experience anything means that the ego (the self) has gone. I tend to define the word ego as the pathological ego to distinguish it from ahamkar. The pathological ego is the time-bound sense of self-identity based completely in the relative. Given those definitions, I seriously doubt the ego is completely gone in the state of CC. The pathological ego wasn't even completely gone in MMY. Of course that raises questions about what state MMY was in as well as other questions about the ego in the state of enlightenment. Personally, I would have to assume that the pathological ego is completely gone in UC. Since I am not in UC (and since I still have a pathological ego problem), I can't answer based on my own experience!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Some people who reached cc within 5-7 years, whom I've met:
--Thx. My point is mainly a criticism against Neo-Advaita, in which there are several propositions: 1. When the false I is transcended and let go, there's no ego. OK, stop right here. A number of contributors have already made the point of there being several types of ego. Already, the Neo-Advaitins have exceeded the boundaries of logic since given that the I has been transcended, this says nothing about the social ego. 2. The Neo-Advaitins define the term ego overbroadly, as if if to include certain modes of behavior by way of exclusion; that is, if one no longer has an ego (per #1), this would imply that the behaviors in question would be imposssible. (since the certain types of behavior are exhibitions of ego - say greed and various sexual perversions. 3. As a consequence of #1 and #2, (say the Neo-Advaitins), if ego is transcended and is seen as delusional and thus non-existent, then it would be impossible for such persons to display (say) greed and sexual perversions. 4. While the TMO worldview isn't as extreme as Neo-Advaita, SOME of the Neo-Advaitic-type illogic has crept into TM-speak in terms of dharmic actions and errors. 5. The TMO-speak counterpart to the corresponding Neo-Advaitic error would be that having transcended the ego, the person performs only Dharmic actions, and errors are impossible. Thus, the Neo-Advaitic error and the TMO-speak errors are related; and a result of conflating the various types of egos. actions judged by outsiders to 2. - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jack Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: matrixmonitor - would you care to expand on these different ego definitions? Other comments inline below. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, matrixmonitor matrixmonitor@ wrote: -Thx...I agree. However, there are several types of egos. As pointed out by another contributor, we can describe and define a social ego that includes a collective manner of habits, and conditionings built up over a long period of time, based largely on a predictable mode of interacting with others. Without even narrowing the definition to a social ego, these collective habits and conditionings are properly part of the ego using the same definition I gave in the last post. The various types of egos are often confused and conflated in Neo-Advaitic discussions. For example, one statement may say, the ego has been eradicated; but what's been eradicated is the notion of an internal I based on a fictitious self-identity centered somehow in the mind as a type of core. There is no such core. I would appreciate a fuller explanation of this. I don't understand you. Nevertheless, the individual may continue to interact with others (perhaps) in the same way as before, with the same social ego. Such an ego may include what many regard as perverse sexual relationships and an usual level of greed. lol. I like your examples... however, once again I don't fully understand your point. What exactly are you suggesting changed between the before and after in your example? Thanks.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Part Two Posted: Where Have All the Flower Children Gone?
--This doesn't answer the question as to what is Dharmic before and after the Surrender and how Surrendered persons can/do perform a- dharmic acts. There's no way to obfuscate the issue by saying such acts are really Dharmic but we ignorant and lazy people can't see the Crazy Wisdom behind such acts. What Adi-Da nonsense. - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The final goal of meditation is to become a vessel for the divine, a conduit of the Infinite. Your consciousness merges with the mantra, and you become one with the word. Your body, mind, will, desires all get surrendered to the That. You become a pure vessel of divine will. Correct. As these pictures of Maharishi proves. If you are able to SEE with your eyes open ofcourse. Or you may preffer an endless intellectual game, joining Vaj and the Turq. Your choice. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ln5T0C8V_8sfeature=related
[FairfieldLife] Re: Notes from Satsang Fairfield
---Thx...without even resorting to looking at the theology; very first step is to look for (in the statements of Neo-Advaitins).: 1. half-truths 2. outright false statements 3. unworkable courses of action or proposals. 4. subtexts containing self-contradictory statements. 5. and on the whole, worldviews that only remotely match the reality of our world. I know that Eckart Tolle is one of your favorites, so I will get back to you with precise examples of the above, from his latest book. Don't have it here right now. Tolle is definitely a very inspirational person, but his Neo-Advaitin platform is replete with almost countless misadventures into half- truths. But obviously, your mind would say there are no persons, no POV's etc; therefore everything Tolle says must be right. (typical Neo-Advaitin nonsense). In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The funniest thing to me is that no one here has yet convinced me that they grok Advaita enough to know what it is enough to accept or reject it. To reject neo-Advaitans is easypeasy if you don't know what you're talking about. It takes some very adroit observations to catch the neo-Advaitans being dissonant with the words of Ramana Maharshi or Nisargadatta Maharaj, but the very fact that language is being used can account for most of the errors of the neo-Ads. When the signs of ego attachment -- not merely egoic presence -- are seen in the neo-Ads, this is not a legitimate disproving of Advaita's axioms or techniques. If such logic were valid, then every religion on Earth would be quickly discounted to zilch, if the true believers were to be judged as signs of the dogma's practicality. So, when I see anti-neo-Advaita smarm, it comes off as such uninformed retching that the expression of that POV signals a major dysfunctionality of them whats doin' the rejectioning. Why is this so surprising that a sub-set of a group should be slightly off message/dogma? And who cares? If the technique is not used, understanding Advaita intellectually is evolutionarily worthless. Hey, there's a meeting in the community room of First National Bank of Fairfield -- a leading expert in global finance will tell it like it is. Anyone believe that? Anyone think any expert at any discipline cannot be gainsaid by peers for illogical nuancing? No one knows Jack -- even Jack doesn't know Jack. Even Tolle's words can be found to be less than perfectly consistently used, but he's probably the clearest proponent of Advaita today -- I wouldn't label him neo-Advaitan because he's very close to perfect, and he doesn't deserve much criticism for his message. I doubt that Tolle is enlightened, but I think he can sling the lingo goodly. The long time TMers who quit the practice have a lot more clout when it comes to having an anti-TM POV than, say, well, anyone who has not put decades into closing the eyes. Walk a mile in a man's shoes before you tell him he's wrong. Why? Because then, when you tell him, you're a mile away and have his shoes! A nice head start! Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero yifuxero@ wrote: --- It's not a matter of Ahhhaa! fluffy, cute mental insights. Those are the results. It's a matter of working your butt off. (I'm an anti-Neo-Advaitin). In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Vaj wrote: On May 2, 2008, at 10:23 AM, Peter wrote: Why are you posting these notes? Everything I've read is just newage boilerplate. No big deal. This is not news or some radical understanding. What impact would any of this have on any ru meditating more than 30-40 years? Most of these ideas are self-evident. Who is assuming the guru role in expressing these ideas? Who is assuming the passive, dependent chela role? Actually he may be doing a service in bringing to light the spiritual decrepitude and childish new age / neoadvaita shlock that seems to be the typical spew of Fairfield satsang groups (although certainly not limited to FF!). It's great to have this stuff documented. And it says that Fairfielders are still seekers. IOW, they haven't found yet, not even with TM. :)
[FairfieldLife] Jytotish is one man's rubbish, another's man's playground ( Re: Hillary the
-Right - I've found astrology to be very useful. I've been consulting my charts for 30 years and know what to expect. For example, today my transits are: 1. Jupiter opp Sun 2. Juper trine Asc. 3. Uranus Sq. Midheaven 4. Uranus trine Sun 5. Venus trine Jupiter 6. Mercury Trine Asc. For those unknowledgeable in the subject (even though I've been at it for decades, I'm still a novice)...we can imagine a clock with THREE types of hands: 1. very slow moving (outer planets). 2. Moderately slow moving (Saturn and Jupiter). and 3. Inner planets. We can add a 4-th influence : extremely fast moving clock hand: The Moon. But this is so fast that I disregard it. In a nutshell, the one to watch out for is MARS. But the real powerhouse and karmic storage planet is SATURN. Don't ever mess around with Saturn! At any rate, concerning the above 6 transits, two are outer, two are middle, and two are inner (Venus and Mercury). On a daily basis for predicting the general trend of activities, by experience I know that today will be basically a slam dunk - green lights all the way. But I take nothing for granted since there still is the Uranus square Midheaven. - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TurquoiseB wrote: I said it because a number of people were displaying attachment to systems that they personally believe work for everyone. I do not share that belief. But then one is left with the notion that Turq's statement really didn't say much except something obvious, like It doesn't rain EVERY day in Seattle. No, it was quite specific; it was about techniques and systems. I quite honestly don't believe that they work as advertised. I suspect that the reason that people believe they work is that 1) as Curtis said, there is a kind of codependent relationship going on, in which the seekers *want* to believe in a system, and thus project onto vague descriptions of predictions or results from a technique what they have been told to expect from them, and 2) the techniques or systems sometimes *do* work to trigger their own latent abilities. The techniques don't *cause* these latent abilities to appear, in my opinion; they just trick the practitioner into the state of attention from which intuition about the future or someone else's past is possible, or from which the particular siddhi or other supposed benefit happens. You're doing the same thing as Judy reviewing Apocalypto. She commented without ever seeing the movie and you've never done astrology. Your ignorance is showing as there are MANY schools and systems of jyotish, not just one. You will often get errors from the novices who for some reason after having a couple of workshops on the subject and set up shop charging for readings while many Indian astrologers went for years just practicing for nothing to craft their skills before hanging out a shingle. A wiser person would have said I haven't studied jyotish so I can't comment on its veracity. Likewise I haven't studied Buddhist Tantra so can't comment on its veracity.
[FairfieldLife] Jytotish is one man's rubbish, another's man's playground ( Re: Hillary the
--Chaos, as the term is used in dynamical systems, originated with the work of climatologist Edward Lorenz - died a few days ago (the Butterfly effect); and is an inherent property of some natural systems. However, the term chaos has a different connotation than used traditonally. Chaos simply means what especially in the presence of very slight changes in the original parameters (the metaphorical flapping of a butterfly's wing); down the road - the outcome will be virtually unpredictable. That's chaos, for example: weather patterns. Chaos does not imply lack of causation. Perhaps with a super-super computer, we may eventually be able to make more reliable predictions. Due to the unfathomable nature of karma, it's often virtually impossible to trace vast chains of causes and effects to their origin; but more importantly, even the wisest of Sages are dunces when it comes to prediction. There are rare exceptions. These are the Jyotish psychics. Find one and don't let him go. - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Apr 28, 2008, at 11:40 AM, Bhairitu wrote: As for the naysayers, most are talking out of their butt because they've never done their homework. ;- ) Physician, heal thyself. Why is the idea that the universe is a random place where stuff can just happen so threatening to some? Why indeed? This has been an interesting discussion to watch. A few voices who usually come across as reasonable seem to have gotten their buttons pushed. It was OK as long as we were only disbelieving in the claims of the TMO, but we *crossed the line*, man...we started disbelieving in Jyotish and MBTI and God. And suddenly we've got trouble, with a capital T, right here in River City. :-) I think you nailed it. It's about chaos, and one's comfort level with that concept. Some, like me and seemingly you, just have NO PROBLEM with the concept of a chaotic universe. We don't know for sure that it IS a chaotic universe, but if it is, cool. Others seem to need a SYSTEM of some kind to keep the concept of chaos out of sight and out of mind. Astrology and Jyotish are systems that believe that they have made chaos under- standable and predictable. The MBTI is a sys- tem for reducing the chaos of possible person- ality types down to an even 16, and thus again rendering chaos understandable and predictable. A belief in God is probably the biggest system for believing that the universe is not chaotic. What I'm noticing in a lot of this discussion is that if you scratch the surface of a habitual skeptic about one system, what you just might find is a prosyletute for another system.
[FairfieldLife] OOBE
Experiencing the Void by Selski Hosted on www.explorations-in-consciousness.com with the explicit permission from the author. My OBE progression (if there is such a thing) seems to be going the wrong way! The below reads like a classic first experience from a newbie who wants to know what's happening to them. I'd taken an afternoon nap and awoke after approximately 1.5 hours. I lay on my back relaxing and eventually turned onto my side hoping to fall back to sleep. As is often the case, I started to hear sounds, specifically footsteps as if they were in my bedroom and then someone leaving a message on my telephone. I wear very effective ear plugs and my telephone is in another room with a closed door between it and me. I knew that these sounds were a precursor for an OBE. Strangely, the telephone message sounded incredibly lifelike and I wondered whether I was somehow tuned into a real message. I was expecting the call anyway, so I also was aware that my subconsious might be playing it out. I was very mentally awake and alert, as much as I am now. Then something happened. It was the strangest most wonderful thing. And difficult to describe. And I'm sure most of you have this happen to you on a regular basis - but it is the first time for me. My mind fell forward, for want of a better expression. There was no sense of movement involved, but there was a definite change of mentality. I was now totally and solely my mind. I had no sensation of my physical body, although I knew it was still there. The blackness opened out and I could see. I could only see blackness, but with depth. I'd hit the 3-D blackness, or Void, for the first time! Wow, it has become my favourite place. For one reason - it is full of anticipation and expectation. It's so exciting. Just as I was wondering what would happen next, I started to feel the famous vibrations - ha ha. I even managed to giggle at this utterly classic experience I was having. The vibrations faded and I briefly regained full consciousness. I was able to fall forward again (just by simply relaxing once more) and there I was again, in the Void. I want to live there. Hee hee. This time there were no vibrations but I felt as if I was moving forward in that I could feel a gentle breeze blowing on my face. I then saw that I was travelling through a tunnel. The tunnel was black and the circular light at the end of the tunnel was also black. No white light for me. There were faint grey geometric patterns on the tunnel, which helped me to see it. I travelled for a few seconds, and when I focused on the end of the tunnel, I seemed to move faster. I was excited to find out if I would plop out at the end and where I might be, but of course, we all know what excitement does. Yes, within a few seconds I'd lost it and was totally awake. I love that Void! Home The Library Experiences Authors Resources Community © 2006 Explorations in Consciousness
[FairfieldLife] Re: The difference between Self-Realization and God-Realization.
---As usual with his lack of follow-up; MMY doesn't go into individual variations. Such as, certain individuals have been known to experience an awakening of the Ajna chakra before the crown chakra, and visa versa. That's why we need people like Vaj to give us a different slant on things. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Self Realization (or CC) purportedly occurs with the awakening of the 6th chakra (Ajna), this is realization of the 'Self' as made in the 'image of God', MMY use to call it a milestone in evolution, but still just the beginning. MMY describes it thus, The silence which is experienced in cosmic consciousness, and which separates the Self from activity, is on an infinitely smaller scale, for it is on the level of individual existence. CH VI vs3. Gita God Realization is the advanced stage of...cosmic consciousness or realization of GOD (immanent in all of creation) as the Self. This is the macro reflection of God IN creation whereas Self-Realization is the micro reflection of God in man, beyond them both is Unity or Brahman encompassing both the relative, manifest and absolute, unmanifest spheres of life. MMY says: The one (GC) forms the basis of the activity of the *whole* of *creation*, the other (CC) the basis (only) of individual activity. Gita With the awakening of the 7th Chakra or crown chakra full Unity is achieved or Nirvikalpa Samadhi; Purnam adah, Purnam idam, inner and outer fullness.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Central Texas Hindu temple founder arrested on child sex charges
---at http://www/tinyurl.com/43bhtg Central Texas Hindu temple founder arrested on child sex charges CBS 42 Reporter: Alexis Patterson Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Last Update: 9:52 pm Print Story | Email Story Hindi Leader Arrested Archive Video: Opening of Barsana Dham Temple/1995 Related Links Barsana Dham Web site Prakashanand Saraswati founded the Barsana Dham temple in Southwest Austin in 1995. The founder of a South Austin Hindu temple is preparing to return to Central Texas to face charges of indecency with a child. The founder of the Barsana Dham temple in Hays County faces twenty counts of having sexual contact with two girls. Hindu followers CBS 42 spoke to say they are surprised by the allegations, because of the tenets of their faith. For the people who worship at Barsana Dham, Prakashanand Saraswati is a spiritual leader. To Hays County authorities, he's a suspected child molester. Hinduism says not to abuse anybody - not a child, not a woman, says Nirakasha Tripathi, who visited the temple Friday during a cross- country trip. Hinduism is basically - you have to do good karma. You have to stay with your karma. If you do bad things, you will get punished. The indictments against Saraswati allege he inappropriately touched two girls more than 12 years ago. The investigation began in 2007. Swami Prakashanand Saraswati has spent his entire life serving humanity and upholding the tenets of our faith, says Prabhakari Devi, vice president of Barsana Dham. Devi says the accusations are sad but completely untrue. No one who knows him could ever think such thoughts, let alone believe that he could do something such as this, says Devi. A Hindu follower who worships at the Austin Hindu Temple (not affiliated with Barsana Dham) says the allegations do not match up with what the faith demands. It restricts us to say you should not cause harm to anybody, by thought - not even by thought, says Jagannath Vedula. According to the grand jury, there is enough evidence of harm to warrant charges. Meanwhile services go on at the temple, which is preparing for a traditional Indian fair Saturday. U.S. Marshals arrested Saraswati Thursday afternoon at a Washington, D.C. airport. He is not fighting extradition to Texas. It is unclear when he'll be back in Hays County. Related Links Wikipedia article The Barsana Dham Web site says his Divinity Swami Prakashanand Saraswati, is lovingly called Shree Swamiji by the devotees. (barsanadham.org) Saraswati is the founder of Barsana Dham center located on FM 1826 in Hays County, south of Austin. The center's Web site describes the center as the place on the earth where the Divine glory of God permeates the atmosphere and glorifies the land in Barsana Dham. His biography on the Web site states When Shree Swamiji speaks, his teachings go deep into the heart, and the warmth of his love develops a desire in the listener's heart to meet Shree Maharajji and Radha Krishn, the supreme Divine beloved of every soul. A Wikipedia article describes Saraswati as the foremost disciple of Jagadguru Kripalu Ji Maharaj, an Indian Hindu Spiritual Teacher. The Web site also states that in 1990, he founded the one of the largest Hindu temples in the United States, Barsana Dham of Austin, Texas. Saraswati waived extradition but Sheriff's officials will not say when he is scheduled to be back in Hays County. Copyright 2008, Four Points Media Group LLC. All Rights Reserved. Save/Share Story In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: His bio on the website of Barsana Dham says that in 1952 he was asked to become the Shankaracharya of Jyoir Math. And that he refused. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: HYPERLINK http://www.keyetv.com/mostpopular/story.aspx?content_id=f373cc46- 14cf-4228- b384-24a62432fac8http://www.keyetv.com/mostpopular/story.aspx? content_id=f3 73cc46-14cf-4228-b384-24a62432fac8 IMMEDIATE RELEASE ARREST/INDECENCY WITH A CHILD 4-25-08 ON 4-25-08, AT APPROXIMATELY 3PM, THE U.S. MARSHAL'S SERVICE, WORKING IN COOPERATION WITH THE HAYS COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE ARRESTED PRAKASHANAND SARASWATI, DOB 01-15-29, KNOWN TO HIS FOLLOWERS AS SHREE SWAMIJI, AT DULLES AIRPORT IN WASHINGTON DC. HE WAS TRANSPORTED TO ALEXANDRA, VIRGINIA WHERE HE IS IN CUSTODY AT THIS TIME. HE WAS ARRESTED ON INDICTMENTS ALLEGING TWENTY COUNTS OF INDECENCY WITH A CHILD/SEXUAL CONTACT. THE INDICTMENTS STEM FROM AN INVESTIGATION THAT BEGAN IN AUGUST 2007 BY THE HAYS COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE CRIMINAL INVESTIGATIONS DIVISION AND THE HAYS COUNTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. THE INDICTMENTS WERE ISSUED IN APRIL 2008. SARASWATI HAS WAIVED EXTRADITION AND ARRANGEMENTS WILL BE MADE TO TRANSPORT BACK TO HAYS COUNTY. SARASWATI IS THE FOUNDER OF BARSANA DHAM CENTER LOCATED ON FM 1826 IN HAYS COUNTY. DUE TO THE
[FairfieldLife] Lunchtime with Muktananda
AhhhBliss: I spend my entire lunch hour listening to Muktananda's chant of the Guru Gita. (having blocked his faults out of my mind - besides, Kali has probably already taken care of him)a little feminine payback.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lunchtime with Muktananda
---Thx - I bought the CD from the Siddha Yoga Bookstore at http://www.bookstore.siddhayoga.org 1-888-422-3334 Their bookstore operations have been moved from S. Fallsburg, NY to the following location: 700 Indian Springs Drive Lancaster, PA 17601 ...but the items are on the SYDA website. I sympathsize with the probable victims of the Swami's indescretions; but my moral objections to his behavior can/will not in any way detract from the Shakti benefits I get from the tapes. They are simply the most powerful tapes in this galaxy, I also view the VHS video of Swami Chidvilisananda (Muktananda's successor) of the Guru Gita. The power of the Guru Gita in terms of Shakti is immense!. OM, Lord Sadasiva is the seer of the mantras of this hymn, Sri Guru Gita. Its verse patterns are diverse. The Guru, the supreme Self, is its deity Ham is its seed letter, sah its power, and krom its nail. The purpose of repeating it is to win the Guru's grace. etc...then finally: I bow to the Gururaja mantra (the Guru Gita) which removes the great fear of transmigration. It is the only mantra that rescues one from the ocean of the world. It is the perfected mantra worshipped by sages and gods, such as Brahma and others. It is the mantra that puts an end to privations, miseries, and the disease of mundane existence. Thus ends the Guru Gita, which occurs in the dialogue between Shiva and Parvati in the latter portion of Shri Skanda Purana. This is offered at the feet of Shri Gurudeva. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, pranamoocher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where can you get access to the chant online, or do you have your own CD? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, matrixmonitor matrixmonitor@ wrote: AhhhBliss: I spend my entire lunch hour listening to Muktananda's chant of the Guru Gita. (having blocked his faults out of my mind - besides, Kali has probably already taken care of him)a little feminine payback.
[FairfieldLife] Chopra on MMY, WIE, page 98
The Life and Times of Deepak Chopra Cohen: So why did you eventually leave him [MMY] and go off on your own, and what changed you as a result? CHOPRA: Well, first of all, he got sick, in India. We don't know what the cause of it was, but it was rumored that it was poisoning. My father was his physician, and he said, He's not going to surive unless he gets dialysis. They had no dialysis in India at the time, so I flew to England and registered him in a hospital. This is not public knowledge, but I don't care anymore; somethings the history hast o be told. Then my father and two other doctors flew to England with him. He had a cardiac arrest, he was put on a pacemaker, and he was given up for dead. We were trying to contact the next of kin, which was a slow process because he was a sannyansi, and there were lots of Indian rules and regulations about this spiritually. So while that was all be ing done, he suddently started to recover. It was quite inexplicable . His kidney functions came back. His heart function came back. His pacemaker was no longer required, and he just sat up in bed. We said, Maharishi, what happened? He said, I must have hurt my ribs or something. He was very casual about it. So I started to nurse him. Rita and I moved to Enlgand for a while. First we had him in a hotel in London, and we would take walks in Hyde Park every day. Occasionally, we would meet somebody who would say, Hey that's the guru of the Beatles. And my wife would say, no, no, that's my father-in-law. Then he get even better, and we moved him to a place outside of London, in the country. He was convalescing. There was no one there except for a couple of servants. Rita used to shuttle back and forth between Boston and England; I stayed, and for twelve, fourteen hours a day we would tak about Vedanta, about consciousness.' COHEN: Just you and him? (to be continued. I have to catch my moviethanks).
[FairfieldLife] Re: Needing advice......... TM Holosync
--The herb Kava Kava can relieve pain to the extent of 20-50%, temporarily, IME. - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Simon: On Apr 18, 2008, at 12:21 PM, simon.groves123 wrote: I hope someone can help...I'm needing some advice, I am experiencing difficulties with 'pain thresholds' and although I understand I can still meditate (TM) in pain, the whole pain thing is quite challenging to say the least in the area of discomfort thresholds in and out of TM. Have you seen the Bill Moyers PBS special Healing and the Mind? It has a section on the great success Jon Kabat-Zinn has had with pain patients using meditation. Holosync has been reccommended to me in the interim when I find meditation (correct meditation) not coming so easy. I've have two questions: Has anyone who enjoys their TM used this technology for enhancing coherent brain functioning. how do you find it? Also if my TM practice is facing difficulty with 'forcing' (ie. not TM) can anyone advize on the wisdom of incorporating such a technology if it does work. cutting corners in a difficult period??? It actually (IMO) opinion goes against the canonical idea in TM that you are relying on the natural tendency of mind to cogitate, naturally, as it is. In Holosync you are agreeing to 'lock-step' your brain functioning in a way that is locked into place and then (often on these type of tapes) modulated to some 'deeper' place. That's not TM, but it can facilitate TM--it can better assure that you lock- step into the transcendent and stay there. Will that relive pain? That's another question altogether. As with any tool, be careful how you use it.
[FairfieldLife] advice needed
Dear Abby, I am a 60-year-old woman who is married to a man who acts like he hates me. In public, he pretends he loves me and talks about how wonderful I am. But in private, he shakes his finger in my face and calls me the 'B' word. He constantly tells me how ugly I am without make-up. I've tried everything, including a face-lift, botox treatments, and a chin tuck. I even went on a diet and lost 20 pounds. He left his job a few years ago after having an affair with a woman in his office. He hasn't even looked for another job. We haven't slept together since I confronted him about the affair. He denied it, of course, but everybody knew it. It was humiliating. I believe he is still messing around. While we both want to sell this house, we argue constantly about when to put it on the market. The house we want will be available in a few months. My husband wants to put our house on the market now. I think we should wait a while. He has already started collecting boxes and packing up his stuff. Do you think he is planning to leave me? Signed, Worried in NY. Dear Worried in NY: I doubt it. He wants to move back into the White House as much as you do! Signed, Abby
[FairfieldLife] fundamentals of evolution
a little girl asked her mother, How did the human race appear? The mother answered, God made Adam and Eve and they had children and so was all mankind made. Two days later the girl asked her father the same question. The father answered, Many years ago there were monkeys from which the human race evolved. The confused girl returned to her mother and said, Mom, how is it possible that you told me the human race was created by God, and Papa said they developed from monkeys? The mother answered, Well, dear, it is very simple. I told you about my side of the family and your father told you about his.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Prakashanand in NYC
---For one thing, a contribution of $1,000 is (was - back years ago) required for membership. I don't know what the amount is now. Probably more. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This morning, the FedEx truck dropped off an envelope sent by a successful businesswoman who used to live in Fairfield a long time ago. Inside was an invitation to an upcoming lecture being given in NYC by Swami Prakashanand Saraswati. What stood out for me was this: This extraordinary program is a rare chance to have very close association with a renowned Saint. Attendance is limited to about 100 people, and it is designed specifically for those who have achieved substantial success (spiritually and professionally) in their lives, and have a desire for further spiritual development. It will be given by Swami Prakashanand Saraswati at the Palace Hotel in NYC on May 3rd and 4th. Designed specifically for those who have achieved substantial spiritual and professional success? That sounds to me like what she's *really* saying is has accumulated substantial wealth. So, I emailed her back and asked how much it costs. She replied that there is no cost and that it isn't a fundraiser. Ok, but, if it costs nothing, and it's not a fundraiser, then why gear the event toward wealthy people... er, the professionally successful? My recollection is that Prakashanand's extreme hostility toward Maharishi is based, at least in part, on Maharishi's pursuit of money. And, this invitation leaves me with the impression that Lil Prakashy is also in pursuit of money but simply isn't upfront and honest about it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Trouble With Normal
---All claimants to Enlightenment must provide a before and after (and during) account of their Yogic Swoon experience. If not, their claims are specious. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 16, 2008, at 11:32 AM, sandiego108 wrote: I've met a few folks I suspect might have been enlightened. What they all had in common was a killer sense of humor, even about themselves, maybe especially about themselves. Bingo. That is what's missing. What is present instead is a kind of angry, ongoing, seemingly compulsive defense of his claims of having a *purported* high state of consciousness, plus a proven tendency to completely ignore any actions or words on his part that don't seem consistent with those claims. Plus the rabid anti-intellectualism that Curtis has commented on before. Like you, Angela, (and *unlike* Jim, who hath declared as cosmic truth his assessment of the states of consciousness of other people here, and where they stand on the *scale* of higher states of consciousness compared to him) I don't know for sure what his state of consciousness is. But my bet is that it's pretty ordinary waking state, filtered through a fairly thick layer of self deception, poor self image, loneliness, and moodmaking. And, like some others here, he really doesn't get that the more he defends, the FEWER people believe him. His tone sabotages his words pretty much every time. You are so full of shit, its coming out of your mouth. More of that killer sense of humor, Jim. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Trouble With Normal
--Replace higher with a goal to be achieved...and yet another. Perhaps, leading to a Rainbow Light Body. One can easily fall into a trap of complacency, as if progression is finished. The fallacy here lies in the failure to recognize the biological/evolutionary imperative of DNA. There's an arrow of time here, a progression of evolution leading (hopefully) to a complete freedom from the clutches of material existence. Enlightened or not: if somebody's body gets cancer then rots; there's something in the manifest destiny of DNA. Evolution is cellular, biological. - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Jim bashing is getting pretty funny. Keep up the good work. Though its not Jim that I am finding amusing. Jim says he has certain experiences. Some sound interesting. Maybe he makes them up, maybe he is deluded, but maybe not. One thing, his story and view has been pretty consistent for several years. And unlike some, I don't hear it as TM speak. He is talking in his own terms to a good degree. Which either takes quite some imagination -- or the experience. I think its unproductive to label such experiences enlightenment - - as he does. Not because I have issues with that, but that it diverts the discussion to an abstraction, a label, not the thing', not the experiences. for example, Jim is accused of not acting enlightened. A silly discussion on so many levels IMO. But off the point and avoidable, IMO. if the discussion was about a guy with some particular experiences -- there would be no demeaning remarks like you don't act like Jim. Rather, its criticism of an abstraction. You don't act enlightened. a meaningless -- but kind of amusing discussion. As far as claiming superiority, for the most part, I don't see it. Any more than Curtis is claiming to be superior by being able to play the blues well, or Maria Sharapova is a superior human being because she plays tennis well. Skills in various areas, experiences, etc doesn't make anyone superior. Use of the term higher states is a trap because it implies something not meant -- imo. Its not implying superior, but something different, and preferred by the experiencer. Is my claim that My salary is higher than it was a year ago a claim of superiority?
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Trouble With Normal
--To deny that imperfection exists in relative existence denies the Completeness of Brahman and allows one to easily fall into another type of delusion: the Neo-Advaitin trap. - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sandiego108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: snip But on one's own nose one won't even see something as big as a yak. Yes, according to waking state, the state of your consciousness, this is true. On the other hand, when subjective=objective, there is no difference in valuing one's experiences any differently than anyone else's. Whewre do you find all of this information from these waking state masters, Vaj? They are decidedly unimpressive.
[FairfieldLife] Re: New Guru Dev Photo
---at http://www.tinyurl.com/2avb72 In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nsm108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: Rick, I can't access this photo. Have you posted it in the photo section? http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/photos/view/e93e? b=20 Dear Friends, Jai Guru Dev. A Purusha from our Ashram was recently in Mussourie having some dental work done. He took a jpeg of Guru Dev and Maharishi in to a photo shop there for development there and when he returned to pick it up the shop owner asked him if his picture was of the Shankaracharya? My friend answered more preciously, He was Shankaracharya previously. The man then reached off the shelf behind him a photo of Guru Dev that his father had taken in Mussourie and had hand colored, which I don't believe anyone has seen before. You may recall seeing one of the photos of Guru Dev we have see for years of Guru Dev on an elephant in Mussourie, near the library, with Maharishi below just before the crowd. This was taken probably around that same time, although Guru Dev evidently went to Mussourie several times during his tours of Northern India as Shankaracharya. Any way I thought you'd appreciate seeing it. There are probably more such treasures out there to emerge as time passes and coherence rises. Wishing you all the best and highest from these holy mountains. Tim No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.2/1353 - Release Date: 3/31/2008 6:21 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: Stu Zimmerman on big move to HI
--Pics (last 2 at bottom) of Stu and Mokihana at the Iraivan Temple in Kauai - in a group of 5 TM'ers attending a puja. - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mother Divine wants to move to HI; also pundits apparently want da kine nice wedda in HI (probably island of Kauai, where the Zimmermans live, I think, around Princeville, north shore (?)) -- also a branch campus of MUM in HI would definitely attract USA students vs that campus in Siberia... Dr. Stuart Zimmerman Executive Director for Hawaii Dear Governors, Citizen Sidhas and Meditators of Hawai'i, It is my joy to inform you of my recent appointment as Executive Director for Hawai'i in the administration of the Global Country of World Peace. My wife, Mokihana, has inspired and encouraged this new phase of our lives. Raja Hagelin, Raja of Invincible America, expressed his pleasure to have me serve in his administration. Cliff and Mary DeVries, Joani Philipp, and the governors, sidhas, and meditators of the islands have warmly welcomed us. Our attention has been focused on creating an Invincible Hawai'i for about four months now. During this time an idea sprouted and has been steadily growing and becoming increasingly concrete: Hawai'i can generate global coherence and create world peace. Thousand Headed Mother Divine wants to relocate in Hawai'i. Maharishi wanted the Rajas to have a resting place in Hawai'i. The Pandits would be happy in Hawai'i. Hawai'i is the most attractive place for a complete University of Peace/vastu/ sustainable/ sidha community. Consciousness based tourism would be a success in Hawai'i. Native Hawaiians have always persevered in the heart the soft, nurturing power of aloha, transforming all who visit the islands. There are so many reasons, but mainly, this idea feels right. We in Hawai'i would be first to benefit from such a project. As our number of yogic flyers climb and pass 115 on the way to 8,000, we will have created the critical number for Hawai'i's invincibility. We will enjoy the rise of unity in our diversity. We will witness the darkness disappear with the dawn, the emergence of solutions displacing problems--in every area of life. All this will be achieved, not through opposition, but through support and nurturing. Everyone should be nourished on the level of consciousness. This possibility is a gift from Maharishi, by the grace of Guru Dev. This is Maharishi's unique contribution, not just individual enlightenment as in the past, but national and global invincibility! Now, under the leadership of His Majesty Maharaja Adhiraj Raja Raam and his capable administration, the mission of the Global Country of World Peace will be quickly accomplished- -all good everywhere, non-good nowhere. Of course, it all starts with us, with our dedication to our own program, our attention to our own evolution, and our group practice. Once the cup is full, it will flow. Let's enjoy that fullness and that flow of fullness in Hawai'i. Please tell us how you would like to participate in our Hawaii movement. We will make some suggestions in the next newsletter (coming soon) along with a report on our immediate goals and progress. Please feel free to contact us with any suggestions or questions. Mokihana and I will respond in a timely manner to emails and calls. We want you to know whom we are working for. It is you. So, we look forward to your feedback. Dr. Stuart Zimmerman and Mokihana Zimmerman, Directors Maharishi Invincibility Center of Hawai'i
[FairfieldLife] Re: Stu Zimmerman on big move to HI
---Sorry. It's at: http://www.himalayanacademy.com/taka/past/2008/January/January_14_2008 / In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, matrixmonitor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --Pics (last 2 at bottom) of Stu and Mokihana at the Iraivan Temple in Kauai - in a group of 5 TM'ers attending a puja. - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: Mother Divine wants to move to HI; also pundits apparently want da kine nice wedda in HI (probably island of Kauai, where the Zimmermans live, I think, around Princeville, north shore (?)) -- also a branch campus of MUM in HI would definitely attract USA students vs that campus in Siberia... Dr. Stuart Zimmerman Executive Director for Hawaii Dear Governors, Citizen Sidhas and Meditators of Hawai'i, It is my joy to inform you of my recent appointment as Executive Director for Hawai'i in the administration of the Global Country of World Peace. My wife, Mokihana, has inspired and encouraged this new phase of our lives. Raja Hagelin, Raja of Invincible America, expressed his pleasure to have me serve in his administration. Cliff and Mary DeVries, Joani Philipp, and the governors, sidhas, and meditators of the islands have warmly welcomed us. Our attention has been focused on creating an Invincible Hawai'i for about four months now. During this time an idea sprouted and has been steadily growing and becoming increasingly concrete: Hawai'i can generate global coherence and create world peace. Thousand Headed Mother Divine wants to relocate in Hawai'i. Maharishi wanted the Rajas to have a resting place in Hawai'i. The Pandits would be happy in Hawai'i. Hawai'i is the most attractive place for a complete University of Peace/vastu/ sustainable/ sidha community. Consciousness based tourism would be a success in Hawai'i. Native Hawaiians have always persevered in the heart the soft, nurturing power of aloha, transforming all who visit the islands. There are so many reasons, but mainly, this idea feels right. We in Hawai'i would be first to benefit from such a project. As our number of yogic flyers climb and pass 115 on the way to 8,000, we will have created the critical number for Hawai'i's invincibility. We will enjoy the rise of unity in our diversity. We will witness the darkness disappear with the dawn, the emergence of solutions displacing problems-- in every area of life. All this will be achieved, not through opposition, but through support and nurturing. Everyone should be nourished on the level of consciousness. This possibility is a gift from Maharishi, by the grace of Guru Dev. This is Maharishi's unique contribution, not just individual enlightenment as in the past, but national and global invincibility! Now, under the leadership of His Majesty Maharaja Adhiraj Raja Raam and his capable administration, the mission of the Global Country of World Peace will be quickly accomplished- -all good everywhere, non- good nowhere. Of course, it all starts with us, with our dedication to our own program, our attention to our own evolution, and our group practice. Once the cup is full, it will flow. Let's enjoy that fullness and that flow of fullness in Hawai'i. Please tell us how you would like to participate in our Hawaii movement. We will make some suggestions in the next newsletter (coming soon) along with a report on our immediate goals and progress. Please feel free to contact us with any suggestions or questions. Mokihana and I will respond in a timely manner to emails and calls. We want you to know whom we are working for. It is you. So, we look forward to your feedback. Dr. Stuart Zimmerman and Mokihana Zimmerman, Directors Maharishi Invincibility Center of Hawai'i
[FairfieldLife] 78 aphorisms of the Shiva Sutras
from http://www.saivam.org *1- Universal consciousness 1-1 Consciousness is the self. 1-2 (Ordinary) knowledge consists of associations. 1-3 Sets of axioms generate structures. 1-4 The ground of knowledge is mat\drka. 1-5 The upsurge (of consciousness) is Bhairava. 1-6 By union with the energy centers one withdraws from the universe. 1-7 Even during waking, sleep, and deep sleep one can experience the fourth state (transcending consciousness). 1-8 (Sensory) knowledge is obtained in the waking state. 1-9 Dreaming is free ranging of thoughts. 1-10 Deep sleep is maya, the irrational. 1-11 The experiencer of the three states is the lord of the senses. 1-12 The domain of the union is an astonishment. 1-13 The power of the will is the playful uma. 1-14 The observed has a structure. 1-15 By fixing the mind on its core one can comprehend perceivable and emptiness. 1-16 Or by contemplating the pure principle one is free of the power that binds (to associations). 1-17 Right discernment is the knowledge of the self. 1-18 The bliss of the sight is the joy of samadhi. 1-19 The body emerges when the energies unite. 1-20 Elements unite, elements separate, and the universe is gathered. 1-21 Pure knowledge leads to a mastery of the wheel (of energies). 1-22 The great lake (of space-time) is experienced through the power of mantra. *2- The emergence of innate knowledge 2-1 The mind is mantra. 2-2 Effort leads to attainment. 2-3 The secret of mantra is the being of the body of knowledge. 2-4 The emergence of the mind in the womb is the forgetting of common knowledge. 2-5 When the knowledge of one's self arises one moves in the sky of consciousness---the Shiva's state. 2-6 The guru is the means. 2-7 The awakening of the wheel of mat\drka (the elemental energies). 2-8 The body is the oblation. 2-9 The food is knowledge. 2-10 With the extinction of knowledge emerges the vision of emptiness. *3- The transformations of the individual 3-1 The mind is the self. 3-2 (Material) knowledge is bondage (association). 3-3 Maya is the lack of discernment of the principles of transformation. 3-4 The transformation is stopped in the body. 3-5 The quieting of the vital channels, the mastery of the elements, the withdrawal from the elements, and the separation of the elements. 3-6 Perfection is through the veil of delusion. 3-7 Overcoming delusion and by boundless extension innate knowledge is achieved. 3-8 Waking is the second ray (of consciousness). 3-9 The self is the actor. 3-10 The inner self is the stage. 3-11 The senses are the spectators. 3-12 The pure state is achieved by the power of the intellect. 3-13 Freedom (creativity) is achieved. 3-14 As here so elsewhere. 3-15 Emission (of consciousness) is the way of nature and so what is not external is seen as external. 3-16 Attention to the seed. 3-17 Seated one sinks effortlessly into the lake (of consciousness). 3-18 The measure of consciousness fashions the world. 3-19 As (limited) knowledge is transcended, birth is transcended. 3-20 Maheshvari and other mothers (sources) of beings reside in the sound elements. 3-21 The fourth (state of consciousness) should be used to oil the (other) three (states of consciousness). 3-22 Absorbed (in his nature), one must penetrate (the phonemes) with one's mind. 3-23 The lower plane arises in the center (of the phoneme). 3-24 A balanced breathing leads to a balanced vision. 3-25 What was destroyed rises again by the joining of perceptions with the objects of experience. 3-26 He becomes like Shiva. 3-27 The activity of the body is the vow. 3-28 The recitation of the mantras is the discourse. 3-29 Self-knowledge is the boon. 3-30 He who is established is the means and knowledge. 3-31 The universe is teh aggregate of his powers. 3-32 Persistence and absorption. 3-33 Even when this (maintenance and dissolution) there is no break (in awareness) due to the perceiving subjectivity. 3-34 The feeling of pleasure and pain is external. 3-35 The one who is free of that is alone (with consciousness). 3-36 A mass of delusion the mind is subject to activity. 3-37 When separateness is gone, action can lead to creation. 3-38 The power to create is based on one's own experience. 3-39 That which precedes the three (states of consciousness) vitalizes them. 3-40 The same stability of mind (should permeate) the body, senses and external world. 3-41 Craving leads to the extroversion of the inner process. 3-42 When established in pure awareness, (the craving) is destroyed and the (empirical) individual ceases to exist. 3-43 Although cloaked in the elements one is not free, but, like the lord, one is supreme. 3-44 The link with the vital breath is natural. 3-45 Concentrating on the center within the nose, what use are the left and the right channels or su\dsumna? 3-46 May (the individual) merge (in the lord) once again.
[FairfieldLife] Hinduism Today article on Kashmir Saivism
http://www.hinduismtoday.com/archives/1994/3/1994-3-08.shtml
[FairfieldLife] Gorakshanatha's view of Samadhi
from the Hinduism Today website (6 schools of Saivism).: Gorakshanatha, in Viveka Martanda, gives his view of samadhi: Samadhi is the name of that state of phenomenal consciousness, in which there is the perfect realization of the absolute unity of the individual soul and the Universal Soul, and in which there is the perfect dissolution of all the mental processes. Just as a perfect union of salt and water is achieved through the process of yoga, so when the mind or the phenomenal consciousness is absolutely unified or identified with the soul through the process of the deepest concentration, this is called the state of samadhi. When the individuality of the individual soul is absolutely merged in the self-luminous transcendent unity of the Absolute Spirit (Siva), and the phenomenal consciousness also is wholly dissolved in the Eternal, Infinite, Transcendent Consciousness, then perfect samarasattva (the essential unity of all existences) is realized, and this is called samadhi. Having achieved samarasattva (or samarasa), the yogi remains continually aware of the transcendent unity of God, even while being aware of the ordinary material world. This is the supreme achievement of the system. The school is noted for its concept of kaya siddhi, extreme physical longevity, and even the claim of immortality for some. Indeed, Gorakshanatha himself and many of his followers are considered to be alive today, carrying on their work from hidden places. The precise methods of this are not delineated in their texts, but are taught directly by the guru.
[FairfieldLife] Fate of the liberated person according to Siva Advaita
from the HT website on the 6 schools of Saivism: Note - this type of continuation of the liberated individual contradicts certain statements of MMY and/or his TMO TB: Upon death, the liberated soul goes to Siva along the path of the Gods, without return to earthly existence. The individual soul continues to exist in the spiritual plane, enjoying the bliss of knowing all as Siva, enjoying all experiences and powers, except that of creation of the universe. Ultimately, the soul does not become perfectly one with Brahman (or Siva), but shares with Brahman all excellent qualities. Man is responsible, free to act as he wills to, for Siva only fulfills needs according to the soul's karma. Shrikantha wrote in Brahma Sutra Bhashya, Siva associates Himself with the triple energies [knowledge, will and action], enters into the total agglomerate of effects, and emerges as the universe, comprising the triad of Deities [Vishnu, Brahma and Rudra]. Who can comprehend the greatness of Siva, the All-Powerful and the All-Knowing?
[FairfieldLife] Powers and skills of Iron-Man
from Wiki: Powers For a time, due to an artificial nervous system installed after he suffered extensive damage to his nervous system, Stark had superhumanly acute sensory perceptions as well as extraordinary awareness of the physical processes within his own body. This is no longer a part of the character's powers. After being critically injured during a battle with the Extremis- enhanced Mallen, Stark injects his nervous system with a modified techno-organic virus (the Extremis process) that not only saves his life, but also fuses Stark's armor to his body. This allows him to store the inner layers of the Iron Man armor in the hollows of his bones as well as control it through direct brain impulses. Stark can control the layer of the armor underneath his skin and make it emerge from numerous exit points around his limbs as a gold-colored neural interface under-sheath. While in this form, Stark has technopathic control of armor and can suit up at any time, calling the larger components to him. Furthermore, the Extremis process has increased his body's recuperative and healing abilities. He is also able to connect remotely to external communications systems such as satellites, cellular phones, and computers throughout the world. Because the armor's operating system is now directly connected to Stark's nervous system, its response time has been significantly improved. Stark also has a phera-sense which he gained by using information he garnered from the analysis of Spider-Man's neurophysiology by the Spider-Armor Stark gave him and uses this to not only create his own 'spider-sense' but can also neutralize Spider- Man's and create false positives in Spider-Man's spider-sense. Skills Stark is a genius, with an advanced degree in engineering. He has shown great business acumen, regaining control of his companies after losing them multiple times, and building the holdings of his companies, increasing his personal wealth. When Stark was unable to use his armor for a period, he asked Captain America for training in martial arts and hand-to-hand combat and has become physically formidable on his own.
[FairfieldLife] Re: An answer to the question.
---There's One as 3 things. (and more) In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lawson wrote: More like water within water. Different currents have a different character, but its all water. sandiego wrote: sounds like three's a crowd. It appears like there are three things, but in reality there's only One.
[FairfieldLife] Re: An answer to the question.
--External Gods may still be worshipped after Brahman Realization (external as Brahman, nondifferent); since Ramakrishna was devoted to Kali before and after Realization, and Ramana Maharshi was devoted to Arunachala Shiva. - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My guess on love, truth, and beauty's evolutionary purpose (as well as the notion of God, which may be a synthesis of love beauty and truth) is that all of them have to do with right-brain activity and, more importantly, with uniting the two halves of the brain, that is, with effecting communications between the two halves through the mid-brain--giving a kind of three-dimensionality to our notion of being conscious and alive. In contrast, a fish has no mid-brain. So his notion that he is alive comes from the sensory input of water pressure as he is turning left and right slightly as he swims. I noted in another post that a fish out of water is a Godless fish. It may be that our notion of an external God is left over from our fish days. --- Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.unleashingthewench.com/images/domebrdrd2.jpg Don't know if the image will show up for online readers, but the link above leads to an image that all of us are familiar with. It pertains to the concepts below. I've tried my best to discover the name of the artist -- anyone know? Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: Stu wrote: Love, truth and beauty is the recognition of this harmony around us. They are part of nature, its part of us. No supernatural stuff need apply. Even a hardened materialist can appreciate the organic unity of these ideals. Edg: You know those Necker cubes where the diagram of a box shifts perspectives back and forth before your eyes -- with the brain being challenged to mindfully hold one of two perspectives? That's the process of enlightenment to me -- you just suddenly flip to the other POV. Blake would approve, eh? And this is echoed in the adages of the masses such as Fish or cut bait, Stand for something or fall for anything, and/or Do you see the glass as half full or half empty. Note that communal wisdom underlines the natural ability of all folks to DIRECT ONE'S ATTENTION. The appreciation of beauty is obviously not so hard wired that it prevents us from seeing ugliness. I remember taking my children onto my lap when they were crying or pissed off, and I'd usually be able to tweak their minds such that they began to laugh even while their tears or their clenched fists were still griddle hot processes. Like that, beauty is always there, but the secret of life is that ugliness is as valuable as beauty. Yeah, Shiva's needed to dance a jig -- gotta have a destruction phase to progression. In Art there's photorealistic works that amaze one with the exquisite gem edges, leashed iridescence, and shiny glintings, and we swoon. Generally missed by all who view such an artwork is that using one's eyes to see creates just such an artwork -- looking at the back of one's hand is just such an experience with its 3000 lines per inch detail, its 10,000 hues seen, its astounding depth of view, its perfect structures, anatomies, and sense of light -- and, ITS REAL! Flip onto that perspective 24/7, eh? -- ya think it might be a mental technique that would evolve ya? I laugh that there's all these videos games out there that are straining to achieve realism, yet, every kid has reality smacking his face like bugs on a windshield on a dark road in mid-summer Iowa -- like Huxley's birds calling Attention! in his dystopia Island. Smack, smack, smack. Heaven is right there in our faces down to the neenee-nana-nanosecond. Each view, each sound, each report from any sense is as rich as, well, as rich as God could create. Try flipping into God consciousness -- you can do it just like being able to see a Necker cube change. I think anyone has this ability to suddenly shift into ephiphany at ANY MOMENT, caused by ANY INPUT. 'Course, there's no such thing as input, but you know what I mean. Edg Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: An answer to the question.
---Sure. Ramana was devoted to the Arunachala Hill, a murti of the static form of Shiva . (p.2 Bhagavan Sri Ramana, A Pictorial Biography, published by Sri V.S. Ramanan, President, Sri Ramanasramam). Bhagavan spoke these words: (p.1): Siva, the Lord Supreme whom all adore, Us'd once His trident in a mighty act of Grace; That trident He made in times of yore, Proclaims for e'er Tiruchili a sacred place. In Necklet of Nine Gems, Bhagavan is quoted as saying: To rescue me--born of virtuous Sundara and Sunari in the holy town of Tiruchili, seat of Bhuminatheswara--from this barren worldly life, He raised me to His state that His Heart might so rejoice, the immanence of Siva so shine forth, and the Self flourish. Such is Arunachala, famous throughout the universe!'. (page 1). In Marital Garland of Letters, his transcribed words are: From my home Thou didst entice me, then stealing into my heart didst draw me gently into Thine, such is Thy Grace, O Arunachala. (p. 17). Bhagavan saw the Arunachala Hill for the first time in 1896, and then later said From here Jnana Sambadha beheld the peak of Arunagiri and sang verses out of excess joy and installed an image of Arunacheleswara in the same spot. (p. 21). Then, Bhagavan wrote out (in his own handwriting) a quote of Saint Sambandha: On the hill Arunachala, little animals like deer, bears, and pigs along with big ones like elephants roam about fearlessly. Here Lord Arunachala abides as Supreme Knowledge, santified with the Holy name Annamalai, and blesses His devotes with his characteriscally unfailing grace by removing their shortcomings. Then, at the last stage of journey to Arunachala, Bhagavan (then Venkataraman), entered the Arunacheleswara Temple and beheld the Arunacheleswara Lingam. The editor (p 24) states, As though the Father was thus preparing to welcome his 'beloved son ', Venkataraman walked straight into the inmost shrine and addressed Arunachaleswara thus: I have come to Thee at Thy behst. Thy will be done. The foregoing thus provides a brief set of statements in Bhagavan's words attesting to the fact that one can be devoted to a God - a Deity, even after realizing the Self. Such devotion by no means implies a state of dualistic ignorance. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, netineti3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, matrixmonitor matrixmonitor@ wrote: --External Gods may still be worshipped after Brahman Realization (external as Brahman, nondifferent); since Ramakrishna was devoted to Kali before and after Realization, and Ramana Maharshi was devoted to Arunachala Shiva. Can you please tell where it says Ramana Maharishi was devoted to Arunachala Shiva? I am curious why you say this.
[FairfieldLife] Ramana Maharshi on the form of God
from the David Godman website: Being the perfect spiritual Master that he was, Sri Bhagavan knew well how important and necessary is the form of God for the human mind, which is ever attached to forms. And from his own personal experience he knew the unique power of the form of Arunachala, a power that cannot be found in such abundance in any other form of God, namely the power to turn the mind towards Self and thereby to root out the ego. In verse eleven of Sri Arunachala Patikam Sri Bhagavan exclaims with joy and wonder, 'Lo! How many are there like me who have been destroyed by thinking this hill to be the Supreme#65533; ,' thereby assuring us that if we regard this hill as God, our egos will surely be destroyed. Though Arunachala appears outwardly as a hill of mere insentient rock, the true devotee understands it to be the all- knowing, all-loving and all-powerful Supreme Lord, who is guiding him both from within and without at every step and turn of life, leading him steadily and surely towards the goal of egolessness. 'What a wonder! It stands as if an insentient hill [yet] its action is mysterious - impossible for anyone to understand,' sings Sri Bhagavan in the first line of Sri Arunachala Ashtakam.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'The View From Canada'
--Eloquent trash! - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mantra Meditation Reveals a Hidden Agenda: Are the Gods Alive and Well and Working Towards the 'New World Order' by Bronte Baxter What I expected to see when I came back to the Fairfield scene after 20 years away from Transcendental Meditation was a group of mainstay meditators true-blue to Maharishi and a group of robust dissenters, whose minds questioned everything they learned from their guru days. Instead, I found the true-blue meditators, but not the kind of dissenters I anticipated. I encountered people who had left the TM movement but hadn't substantially changed their belief system. This latter group had changed in the way that people change hats, or redecorate their homes, leaving unaltered the structure underneath. The dissenters had splintered into a myriad of Eastern or Eastern-related philosophies: Eckhart Tolle, Byron Katie and Andrew Cohen were popular, and Neo-Advaitin gurus had rallied many behind their minimalist philosophy. Saints like Ammachi visit Fairfield regularly, dispensing dharshan and picking up new recruits. Across town, small groups meet in satsangs to discuss their growing enlightenment or to chant songs to the gods. Heated debate is common between adherents of competing gurus, and people grow vitriolic over whether Maharishi has slept with young women or not. There is a smattering of hedonists and atheists, but ex-TMers in the Fairfield circuit mostly show up with an intact Vedic worldview. That worldview is a lens through which they perceive and measure all gurus and reality itself. I find this disturbing. It's rather like people who've been swindled by a con man, despising him for how they were treated while they continue to invest money in the enterprise he sold them on. Why doesn't the skepticism extend beyond the procurer, to that which he procured for? And what did Maharishi procure for? The Vedic gods. He sold us a meaningless word that was supposed to guide our minds to transcend superficial consciousness. Later we learned those meaningless words, our mantras, were names of deities. He taught us advanced techniques with the Sanskrit word namah at their core: I bow down. Mantra meditation is a form of paying worship to those who call themselves gods. When you scrape away all the fancy and misleading explanations like meaningless sounds and impulses of creative intelligence, what you get very simply is people with their eyes closed bowing down in their minds to an assigned Hindu deity. Of course we can explain this away using TM explanations, much like the townsfolk explained away the emperor's nakedness using the reasoning they were fed by the tricksters who paraded him through the town. But the emperor has no clothes. Mantras worship the gods. Namah means bow down. It's right there on the surface for anyone to see if we toss out the excuses we were handed and look at the situation with even a shred of unbiased observation. Who are these gods, that we're so willing to explain away as impulses of our own consciousness? The same gods have appeared in other religions and cultures, even in societies that had no contact with each other. They go by different names, but the entities are the same. In Hinduism, you have Indra, god of thunder, ruler of the gods, married to Indrani, queen of the gods, known for her jealousy. In Greek mythology, you have Zeus, god of thunder, ruler of the gods, married to Hera, queen of the gods, known for her jealousy. One-to-one correspondence like this is common. The gods are a global phenomenon, with their imprints on every society. Historically, the gods exacted worship and sacrifice blood sacrifice commonly, including the murder of humans. While Hinduism has a history of human sacrifice, it has been reduced today to worship of Kali, the goddess with her bloody tongue hanging out, whose body is adorned with a necklace of bleeding, decapitated human heads... Or Shiva, adorned with serpents, who dances on graves... Or Vishnu, whom Arjuna perceived in His cosmic form with pieces of devoured victims' flesh sticking between his teeth. These 'Gods' appear to feed on the energy of suffering, the fearful energy of the victim. In one South American sacrificial ritual, a bull has his throat slit, as slowly as possible. The reasoning given is that the gods cherish live blood as the blood with the greatest energy, so the animal must be kept alive while the blood drips from its body. In other words, the greater the fear and suffering of the sacrificial beast, the greater is the pleasure of the gods. The Shrimad- Bhagavatum, among other scriptures, explains the antipathy of the gods for human enlightenment. According to the Vedas and the mythology of other cultures, the gods feel threatened by the human race, afraid
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unwavering Samadhi: Meditative Achievement and Its Impact in the World
---Thanks, I've received what you call transmissions from Garab Dorje, Padma Sambhava (and on the physical plane): Kalu Rinpoche, Sogyal Rinpoche, and Hsuan Hua. Therefore, I've outdone you in the transmission department. Go figure. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 20, 2008, at 6:19 PM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, matrixmonitor matrixmonitor@ wrote: --Some of the meanings of terms he tries to pass off as subtle discrimination is merely a feeble attempt to obfuscate the issues by diverting one's attention from the real issues. For example, he says that in the (some) teachings of Garab Dorje/Padma Sambhava/Norbu Rinpoche, there's a transmission, but it's not Shakti. According to the traditional usage of the term Shakti - going back to Ramakrishna and well before; anything relative is a form of Shakti. With all due respect, all you're saying is that you have never experienced transmission in the sense that Vaj is describing it. I have, and so it makes perfect sense to me, as does the fact that it has nothing whatsoever to do with what people think of as shakti. Completely different order of experience. Indeed, esp. for me when years ago when I first received Pointing Out instructions, I was really expecting something similar to shaktipat experiences I'd had previously. Really no similarity at all which was as surprising to me as anyone. But what was undeniable was a foundational shift, a turning in the seat of consciousness, which immediately recognized as being there from the beginning. Despite the foundational shift, the experience of Unity was not in any way overwhelming or unsettling. It's just simply how things are.
[FairfieldLife] The Story of Swami Chandrasekharanand Saraswati
Thanks a lot Vaj for turning me onto this great book, Kundalini Vidya - The Science of Spiritual Transformation (total including shipping $33.50 to Patanjali Kundalini Yoga Care, 304 South David Lane, Knoxville, TN 37922-3209): http://www.kundalinicare.com/aboutpkyc4.html
[FairfieldLife] State of Samadhi in the life of Ramakrishna
from geocities. Comparing this experience to the statements of MMY, my conclusion is that Ramakrishna's experience is a case of a lack of integration.: State Of Samadhi in the Life of Sri Ramakrishna During the sadhana of Vedanta, Sri Ramakrishna tried to transcend all the limitations of body-mind duality. Under the guidance of his teacher - Tota Puri - Sri Ramakrishna took to the practice with intense zeal and determination that knew no bounds. When the effulgent form of Mother obstructed his entry into the realm of superconscious state, he put an end to it with the 'sword of discrimination'. He went into a state of highest nondual consciousness and was established in Nirvikalpa Samadhi. Continuously for three days Sri Ramakrishna was lost in that state, sitting like a stone - lifeless to outer world and stimuli. His face was calm, serene, and radiant. A doctor examined the functions of his heart and lungs, but he was dead like a wood to the external stimuli. After three days he gradually regained his normal consciousness. Afterwards Sri Ramakrishna was in state of samadhi continuously for six months. * We intently watched Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa in samadhi. His whole body relaxed and then became slightly rigid. There was no twitching of the muscles or the nerves, no movement of any limb. Both his hands lay in his lap with the fingers lightly interlocked. The sitting posture of the body was easy but absolutely motionless. The face was slightly tilted up and in repose. The eyes were nearly but not wholly closed. The eyeballs were not turned up or otherwise deflected, but they were fixed and conveyed no message of outer objects to the brain. The lips were parted in a beatific and indescribable smile. There was something in that wonderful smile which no photograph was ever able to reproduce. * In the state of samadhi the master's body was bent on one side and therefore the cameraman went to make him sit erect by softly adjusting his chin. But as soon as he touched the chin the whole body of the Master came up like a piece of paper - so light it was. The Master was completely unaware of this incidence. Swami Nirvanananda said that he had heard that people experiencing samadhi of a certain type or depth generally do become light.
[FairfieldLife] Re: State of Samadhi in the life of Ramakrishna
--- My theory that Ramakrishna's experience is a lack of integration (one can look at the experience from a POV of half full or half empty); is also based on the Autobiography of Master Charles Cannon, The Bliss of Freedom. Cannon was a pvt. secretary to Swami Muktananada for 12 years. In his book he describes experiences similar to those of Ramakrishna which went on for a number of years, but he states that through Muktananda's assistance and rounding for a year, he was able to evolve out of such dualistic states and abide completely in nondual Samadhi 24/7 (having passed through various stages accompanied by kundalini signs).Then, finally transcending those transitory states having various signatures of Lights and Sounds. But Cannon went to say that the Blue Light has never left him, and that all of existence is suffused with the Blue Light. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wgm4u@ wrote: [...] What a great account, interesting that his head *did not fall* onto his chest, but the body was in an immobile fixed *upright* state, true transcendental consciousness or Samadhi. Unlike many meditators who fall asleep in meditation, assume a poor posture and call that successful meditation! It may have been successful sleep but hardly merits the term meditation (dhyana) in the true sense of the word! So, while no outward sign can determine if someone is enlightened or not, apparently posture during meditation is a 100% accurate way of determining samadhi? Lawson
[FairfieldLife] Exceprt from The Bliss of Freedom by Master Charles
at the http://www.synchronicity.org website: Excerpt It was an early spring day in 1970, shortly before my twenty-fifth birthday, and I was visiting friends who had just returned from a business trip to India and other Far Eastern countries. While sharing their travels with me, they talked about having met an enlightened master in India. They seemed most devout as they described the encounter, for he had impressed them with his illumination, and they had experienced deep spiritual inspiration. They asked if I would like to see a photograph of him. When I agreed, they handed me a small card designed like a temple with folding flaps for doors. I opened it casually and looked at the black-and-white photograph of the man inside. If I had a million words, I could not adequately describe the magnitude of what I experienced over the next few hours. As I focused on the photograph, my eyes seemed to lock in an open gaze, and my whole body followed, relinquishing all volitional control. The photograph dissolved into a whirlpool of scintillating, hallucinogenic energy. I was immersed in a rose-and-blue-colored magnificence, permeated with minute particles of dancing, diamond like light that slowly moved upward and entered the area just above the center of my eyebrows. A multitudinous explosion erupted from the depths of my being and reverberated through every dimension of my perception, as an intoxicating bliss saturated me from head to toe. The most sacred peace filled all and everything. Time was suspended within an all- encompassing stillness, and from the subtlest dimensions an ethereal and heavenly music softly echoed-violins, harps, a lone flute, and the tinkling of a thousand glass wind chimes sounding within the harmonic oneness of an angelic choir. I experienced a divine, awe-inspiring, yet totally nurturing contentment beyond all contentment. Wave upon wave of undulating ecstasy radiated outward to infinity. Everything within this shimmering reverberation was disappearing, all form dissolving into itself, a reflection of hallucinogenic light within an ocean of delight. I continued to observe my two friends, but their bodies had become multidimensional. I could see to the utmost core of their beings, which in each case was a small point of iridescent blue light. Luminosity flowed in all directions from these points of blue light, manifesting as their forms, and intermingling with all other forms, as they blended one into each other. All and everything manifested as a merging sea of blissful, luminous energy, joyously delighting within itself-the most beautiful reality that one could ever imagine. That was divine existence, absolute, free, and independent, celebrating itself for the sake of itself. This was the one without a second, a pure awareness through which an other-worldly voice reverberated its truth: I am one I am free I am all that is. Suspended within this awareness beyond all time, I merged in it, flowing, floating, dancing, delighting, enjoying the freedom of oneness as I remained a quiescent witness. My mind was stilled in awe of the heavenly majesty. Bliss consumed every cell of my being. The loving voice again reiterated its affirmation: I am one I am free I am the play of consciousness I am all that is I am I I I The ethereal echo gradually disappeared as it was reabsorbed into the fullness of its all-pervasive unity. I remained within the ecstasy of its incredible reality for what seemed like an eternity, and then ever so gently it diminished, contracting itself and condensing into physicality. The energy released itself through the space between my eyebrows, and like a whirlpool wound its way back into the photograph in my hands. My body unlocked, along with my gaze, and everything seemed to return to normal, yet I was never to be the same. For I had come face to face with the divine. I had scaled the heights of the ultimate reality that I considered to be God alone, Source alone, and nothing else could ever take its place.
[FairfieldLife] About gaining more light (Re: Open letter to raja John Konhaus)
---Next stop: attaining a Rainbow Light Body. A lower state of DNA evolution only perceives itself as a clear mirror with no obscurations. But now raise the DNA molecules themselves to the status of Light, then dissolve the entire body into Light. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But Peter, you already have infinite light; you've often posted here with Advaitic clarity, and I know that you know that it is always and only a matter of removing that which obscures the light that you would pray for -- egoic identification is the glass darkly peered through. I know that you know that trying to find more light is an insult to God Who has given EVERYTHING to ALL souls -- souls with closed fists complaining that no divine gifts are being put onto their palms. And, since it would be an ego trying to find the light, you know that if anything was to be gained, it would be merely a more subtle form of attachment to some less-than-infinite, local shaping of light. Removing identifications allows more light to be realized-as-omnipresent, but Advaita makes it clear that identifications must be understood to be clouds hiding the sun, and that it is not a case of the sun needing to have another log tossed onto its fireplace. Praying for more light with sunglasses on seems tawdry. My own glasses seem as outlandish as any of the two-foot wide, rhinestoned, gaudy shades Elton John ever wore, but, that said, try to get me to doff mine. I look cool I tell ya! Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: --- sandiego108 sandiego108@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, matrixmonitor matrixmonitor@ wrote: --The best way to relate to Raja Konhaus is to send prayers to Kali to strip away his faults. He needs to be nurtured by Kali's Sword. Letting Kali take care of such persons relieves us of the danger of making a-dharmic judgements. She'll be the Judge, Jury, and Executioner when needed; but She needs the prayers of physically embodied people. This isn't by any means a violation of the Golden Rule, since I readily say, Oh, Great Goddess Kali, strip away my faults with your sword: Om Aim Reem Klim Chamundayai Vichay.. what a great idea! hadn't heard of this prayer before, though it is a very sharp sword... I like to flip it around and pray for light rather than the removal of darkness. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ __ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual vs Spiritism
---Thx. A few times I've projected my mind into the minds of deceased people seeking to find out what they were fixated upon. Once, I perceived a thought bubble my deceased Bro. was creating in which he was witnessing a drag racing event (that was his foremost interest in life). Then, recently, I perceived a thought bubble of Charlie Lutes. It seemed he was running on automatic, sinking into a former memory that he was recycling as if a broken record: (he was lecturing at Manly P. Hall's Philosophical Research center in Hollywood - something he evidently enjoyed a lot). In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sandiego108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, matrixmonitor matrixmonitor@ wrote: ---I'm not so sure. Once, my deceased Mother appeared to me in the dream state saying that in the near future there would be an ant invasion in my apt. Sure enough, 2 weeks later there was an ant invasion, but I nipped it in the bud. Good information! too cool! I have seen my deceased brother in the dream state as well-- very real and knew he was OK. Can also pick up the status of deceased relatives soon after they have passed away, but can't find them anymore after a few months or years.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Religion as Opium
--In Bruges playing at the Hillcrest, thanks for the tip. I liked The Other Bolyn Girl, true story of King Henry VIII and the two Bolyn mistresses. As Paul Harvey would say, The Rest is History. But as I told one of my co-workers who is a Biblical Fundamentalist, a consequence of Henry's Romanic shenanigans was his fallout with the Papacy. Down the road a successor King (James I) was/is of course well known for his commissioning of a group of scholars to translate the Bible into English. Thus, a curious chain of causes and effects on the part of Henry VIII eventually led to the growth of Protestantism i the West and eventually the Evangelical Movement. - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sandiego108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk kirk_bernhardt@ wrote: I have watched both. I am not sure I loved either. My wife liked Deadwood. I thought it was okay, simply because I like swearing. snip if you like swearing, you'll enjoy In Bruges, a really dark comedy about hitmen in Belgium. I just saw it this weekend with my daughter. It really messed with my head, being ultra violent and dark, and at the same time one of the funniest, tightest films I've seen in recent memory. And the swearing is first class- screen play by an Irish guy-- what do you expect?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rolling Stone Magazine Article on MMY
--Of course he's done a lot of good! (his good deeds are immeasurably vast); OTOH his attitude sucks and he can't compare with somebody like Stan Brock as a genuine humanitarian, willing to get his hands dirty to help the lowest of the low. That guy's a true Christian! MMY, not really. http://www.ramusa.org/stan.html - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of nsm108 Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 5:13 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rolling Stone Magazine Article on MMY I can't believe the kind of response my post about this Rolling Stone article has recieved. I am the first to admit that the movement is off the wall in a million ways, and both Maharishi and the movement have an incrediblly rich dark side, but whats up with the fact that you guys can't give some credit to Maharishi for the good that he has done. He certanly added a depth and richness to my life by giving me the ability to experience the absolute. You guys can rant on and on about all the stuff that has gone down over the years (and I am in complete agreement with you about that stuff), but you seem to have conviently forgot about the whole basis for the TM movment and MMY's message about transcending the relative and experiencing the absolute. Complain all you want, but for those of us whose lives have been helped by TM and MMY, give a little credit. I agree, and this has been my perspective since starting FFL. Inability to see the good MMY did is just another form of fundamentalism, which is unworthy of a sincere seeker of truth. It's much more interesting and liberating to acknowledge the good, the bad, and the ugly. Learn to embrace paradox and you'll feel at home everywhere. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.4/1309 - Release Date: 3/3/2008 6:50 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dualistic Unitary meditation
-on Swami Rama from the Rick Cross website: Dr. Elmer Green says that he and his wife have heard from a number of women who said they were sexually exploited by Swami Rama. If someone is a saint, celibacy would be his normal condition, Dr. Green comments. A lot of people have confused the siddhis-the powers to control body, emotions, and mind-with spirituality. But the siddhis can be an ego trap. A saint is a person who does what he says. Rather than being a saint, according to Green, Swami Rama is an advanced yogi and a mortal with some ego problems. Carolyn was raised Catholic, and during high school she explored Transcendental Meditation, Zen Buddhism, Hinduism, and the Jesus freak movement. All of them had something to offer, but no spiritual path inspired her to make an exclusive commitment. The daughter of an alcoholic, she longed for guidance from a spiritual authority figure. She took a meditation class at the alternative high school program she attended, and one evening her teachers invited her to a lecture by their guru, Swami Rama, who was visiting the Chicago area. They introduced her to the guru, and she remembers he made a fuss over her, slapping her cheek lightly and calling her a good girl. Carolyn went away to college at the end of that year, as her parents expected. But after two unsatisfying years, she left college and returned to the Chicago area. She renewed her acquaintance with her former meditation teachers and started taking classes in Glenview, Illinois, at the Institute's original headquarters. There she learned Swami Rama's style of super-conscious meditation, which she describes as a basic, impersonal training in mental concentration. In March 1978, she says, Swami Rama came to Glenview and initiated her. Given a mantra but little guidance, Carolyn dutifully performed her assigned practices, hoping that Swami Rama's scientific approach to yoga would eventually yield results. From her childhood Carolyn had been steeped in Catholic faith and educated in scientific skepticism; now it seemed the Institute could help her harmonize these two seemingly contradictory ways of perceiving the world. At about the same time, Carolyn was accepted into the residential program at East West Books Chicago, the Institute's downtown branch. The program seemed to provide the ideal family she'd never had, where everyone shared her values and spiritual goals. In May, Swami Rama visited the area again. Carolyn says he called her out to Glenview for a special appointment, at which he invited her to come live and work at his new ashram in Honesdale-and told her he would waive the usual residential program fees. When she shared her news with the other residents at East West Books, they told her she should feel honored: She had been chosen, while long-time devotees had been denied the privilege. A few weeks later she moved to Honesdale. Once there, Carolyn devoted herself to her yoga practices and threw herself into her assigned jobs. After she had lived in Honesdale for a year, Swami Rama started promising to make her his appointments secretary. She was thrilled; it was commonly believed at the Institute that the fastest way to reach enlightenment was to spend as much time as possible in the presence of the guru. At the same time, she felt anxious, because she'd seen how severe Swami Rama could be with those closest to him. Meanwhile, Carolyn says, Swami Rama began singling her out for special attention. He would call her to his office for a private audience, and as she hung anxiously on his words he would paint a flattering picture of her future with the Institute. She recalls that he would repeat a series of affirmations and commands in a hypnotic monotone: She had done very well organizing the book distribution operation, Carolyn says he would tell her. Since she had taken over, everything had been put in order. Perfect. That was why he wanted her to be his secretary. She would start with handling the appointments and then she would make his plane reservations, scheduling lecture tours. In a few months time she would handle his bank account, income taxes, everything. Become more involved with the projects of the ashram-seminars, residents, the patient program-in time she would be in charge of the whole thing. They would travel together to England. He would take her to the Orient-Japan and India. She would live with him in the house he was buying. And she would help him write books. After a couple of months of this special attention, Carolyn says, Swami Rama came to visit her one-day at the book distribution office in Honesdale center. After dismissing the other workers, she says he repeated the familiar litany, but this time he slipped in a new message. She recalls that he said they would become very close, their bodies would come together, and then they would part. During that time, neither of them would see any other,
[FairfieldLife] Record sales for A New Earth
Oprah's Book Pick Selling at Record Pace Feb. 28, 2008, 12:15 PM EST The Associated Press NEW YORK -- Even for an Oprah Winfrey book pick, A New Earth has been a sensation. About 3.5 million copies of Eckhart Tolle's spiritual self-help guide have been shipped since Winfrey, host of The Oprah Winfrey Show, announced her selection four weeks ago. The book has topped the best-seller list on Amazon.com virtually from the moment Winfrey's choice was revealed, and it is the fastest- selling pick ever at Barnes Noble Inc., according to a statement issued Thursday by Winfrey. It's also a record shipment in a four-week span for any book by Penguin Group (USA), which has published such million sellers as Elizabeth Gilbert's Eat, Pray, Love and Ken Follett's Winfrey- endorsed The Pillars of the Earth. Brian Tart, president and publisher of the Penguin imprint Dutton, told The Associated Press that a key factor was the upcoming Web seminars featuring Winfrey and Tolle, to be held for 10 consecutive Mondays starting March 3. Oprah herself has committed 10 weeks to talking to the author, and people from all over the world will be able to participate, said Tart, who added that more than 500,000 people, from more than 100 countries, have registered for the seminar
[FairfieldLife] Tolle - power outage?
The power in the power outage Suzan From Lake County News Chronicle Published Thursday, February 28, 2008 Suzan From of Finland has been a long-time contributor to the Lake County News-Chronicle as columnist and as source of contacts and information. It all started last Friday night when I read a study reported in the Duluth News Tribune. The study revealed cat owners are 30-40 percent less likely to die from strokes and heart attacks than dog owners and non-pet owners. Since strokes and heart attacks are often associated with stress and hostile and negative emotional reactions to life, I could understand the cat thing. Cats make me pause to smile. They cheer me up. I have watched one of our cats latch on to my daughter when she has cried or become ill. I have watched how another one of our cats had to be right in the middle of the wonderful short lived healing group at my home. Cats seem to be great energy absorbers, not just the good energy maybe the bad energy too. RELATED CONTENT Add a comment Suzan From Column Archive Happy moments and powerful events 02/14 Suzan From Complete Archive Suzan From Archive Last Saturday when our home had two periods of two hour power outages, I curled up with my cat and read a book about real peace by The Power of Now author Eckhart Tolle. This book, called The New Earth--Awakening to your Life's Purpose, is in alignment with the cat thing. In some of the most peaceful aware moments of my life a cat was near by. In a nutshell, Eckhart Tolle writes how our thinking and feeling drives us nuts and keeps us from awakening and experiencing life in the now. The chief obstacle to awakening is our ego. The ego is the thoughts and feelings about who we are. Fear is the emotion that drives the ego. Tolle defines the ego as having a dysfunctional relationship with the present moment. When we get wrapped up in thoughts and feelings about who we are, past and future, we forget our now, the present moment. Our life is strung together by present moments. When we learn to accept this way of experiencing our life we awaken and life becomes a life we accept, enjoy and become enthusiastic with. In the The New Earth, Tolle writes about what he calls the pain- body. The pain body represents our reactions. It has to do with not being at ease with ourselves. Many times the lack of at ease moments in our life can give rise to disease and unhappiness. According to Tolle people with heavy pain-bodies have a better chance to awaken because their pain causes them to move out of suffering. However, many people in pain perceive it as pleasure and become addicted to it. Their pain-body feeds on drama. They are easily upset with what happens. To change, people need to realize they have a pain-body comprised of all the unhappiness they carry with them. Then people have to experience their own pain-body in an alert way as an Influx of negative emotions when it becomes active, according to Tolle. When the negative emotions become conscious they can't feed off you as easily and control your thoughts and feelings. One of the gifts of Tolle's book was a story about the spiritual teacher J. Krishnamurti. After many years of teaching Krishnamurti was all set to tell his students his secret. He said his secret is, I don't mind what happens. It's one of those great secrets to experience while you are curled up with a cat during the second power outage of the day. view all deals sign up for email deals TODAY'S DEAL Buy One Get One Free Potato
[FairfieldLife] Andrew Sullivan on Christianism
http://www.tinyurl.com/jnyc3 And there are those who simply believe that, by definition, God is unknowable to our limited, fallible human minds and souls. If God is ultimately unknowable, then how can we be so certain of what God's real position is on, say, the fate of Terri Schiavo? Or the morality of contraception? Or the role of women? Or the love of a gay couple? Also, faith for many of us is interwoven with doubt, a doubt that can strengthen faith and give it perspective and shadow. That doubt means having great humility in the face of God and an enormous reluctance to impose one's beliefs, through civil law, on anyone else. I would say a clear majority of Christians in the U.S. fall into one or many of those camps. Yet the term people of faith has been co- opted almost entirely in our discourse by those who see Christianity as compatible with only one political party, the Republicans, and believe that their religious doctrines should determine public policy for everyone. Sides are being chosen, Tom DeLay recently told his supporters, and the future of man hangs in the balance! The enemies of virtue may be on the march, but they have not won, and if we put our trust in Christ, they never will. So Christ is a conservative Republican?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fooling people with meditation research, TMO-style.
---Thanks. The best way for the TMO to attain success in its ventures is to abandon all such research and put Wolfgang Puck at the head of the Organization. Then turn all the Peace Palaces into restaurants. http://www.wolfgangpuck.com In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hagen J. Holtz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...So...where would you people go to find out.what research has been done and by whom? I think there is no final reliable source other than you in the role of a premature scientist. Hypothesis, theory and practice have to match, that is all. And if you have a theory, get it verified through experiments. And by the results of your experiments get your theory refined. And if someone criticizes you, get him do it in a way that you are able to follow his arguments and the other way round. Do not get insecured by polemics and do not insecure your counterpart with polemics unless being the last means of your defense ! Follow the idea of greek philosophers, who put the search for truth higher than any ego issues. The egos contribute, the truth gets crystallized. And if someone has a better theory, fine. Let him do. But to repudiate TM-research across-the- board is not more convincing than uncritical believe in it. The founding of an independent institute for research on human consciousness may help.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Baghdad Blitzkrieg led to Republican Collapse
--LONDON (AFP) - Hollywood actor Will Smith won a public apology and damages in London's High Court Friday over a false allegation that he had described the former Nazi leader Adolf Hitler as a good person. His lawyer Rachel Atkins told judge David Eady the deeply distressing libellous allegation by World Entertainment News Network Limited (WENN) had caused her client acute embarrassment. The claim arose after London-based WENN, which provides entertainment news and photographs around the world, published an article on December 23 last year entitled Smith: Hitler Was A Good Person, the court was told. Atkins said the article wholly misrepresents an interview her client gave to a Scottish newspaper and in fact he considered Hitler to be a vile and heinous man. The allegation that he could think otherwise is deeply distressing to the claimant and has caused him acute embarrassment, she said. - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Bush- Blitzkrieg -(shock awe)- on Baghdad, Has left the Republican Party in shambles One weak candidate, remains standing- Senator John McCain (R. AZ) And up until the NYT's story, yesterday He's the man, Conservatives loved to hate. And, considered him, a traitor to their cause. Now those same hate/war mongers- Set their sites on a more worthy enemy: 'The Liberal Press'. Thankfully for them, they now, Have an entity to hate more than their own candidate. - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Baghdad Blitzkrieg led to Republican Collapse
--Thanks. I found a pic of Rory's past incarnation: http://www.thirdreich.net/Bormann_Bio.html - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Bush- Blitzkrieg -(shock awe)- on Baghdad, Has left the Republican Party in shambles One weak candidate, remains standing- Senator John McCain (R. AZ) And up until the NYT's story, yesterday He's the man, Conservatives loved to hate. And, considered him, a traitor to their cause. Now those same hate/war mongers- Set their sites on a more worthy enemy: 'The Liberal Press'. Thankfully for them, they now, Have an entity to hate more than their own candidate. - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fuck God
---So true, curtis..; besides, lack of a preference can also be taken as impotence. During the 70's and ongoing for 20 years, I worked with a Ghost Whisperer-type medium who could travel out of her body at will. After a few years at doing preliminary types of investigations into the inner planes, we gradually discovered that there were countless entities in the astral planes just begging to get rescued, and sent into the higher planes or into the Void. We spent many years rescuing such Souls, but I realized that entities like YHVH who claim to be God; are simply incompetant; and it will take Buddhists to clean up the mess of entities like YHVH who have completely botched the job.! In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, netineti3 no_reply@ wrote: The scriptures I read talk of a forgiving all compassionate God. Humans create their own karma. Where does it say otherwise. Where does it say Almighty God has a preference one way or another? By karmic theory you have the children with Guinea worms in Africa covered, but what about the animals? How come some were created with the skill of a kill bite and others. (plenty of others) eat each other alive? This kind of behavior is worse than the poorest run slaughterhouse ethically isn't it? So the buck stops with the creator. If he was consistently compassionate he wouldn't have done such a poor job with his creation no matter what he claims in the scriptures. The God of the Old Testament is one version of highly petty and spiteful,murderous god. As far as the Hindu scriptures, go I'd say the whole Mahabharata has some good examples of a bloodthirsty god who has little regard for human suffering. There were many other options for how those battles could have gone down if compassion rather than being right was the goal. Unless you take it, as I do, as all mythology and skip the literal belief in a god completely. Then it is a great read with plenty of instructive insights about human nature rather than an insight into a version of the god idea. Thanks for the response. I understand our POV is miles apart and I appreciate your willingness to discuss. Especially since so far all I have done is lobbed snark bombs your way so far. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Yes, but you said it. Everytime we open our mouth isn't the karmic wheel further engaged? Munis understand this and don't speak unless spoken to, if at all. Yeah cuz as we know from the world's scriptures, the creator is kind of a vindictive prick and doesn't even show the compassion and understanding of the guy I sit next to on the bus. Remember he/she is the one who created animals to eat each other alive. He/she PREFERRED it that way. Om Shanti Is that Kung Fu for I'm afraid of imaginary things? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, netineti3 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk kirk_bernhardt@ wrote: I didn't really mean it. But what I did mean was that that's how we all act across most of the whole world. We need to take the commandments and make them work such as love thy neighbor. If you can't even love your neighbor, maybe saying fuck them all the time, then one cannot love Gkod personally. But I do mean this to include the whole planet and those who profess to lead. You act like you hate the Creation, thus you must hate the Creatrix. Poluting, never allowing new and better, just new and 'improved.' So anyway I just wanted to clarify. I mean why cannot the three richest people just start opening hospitals across the entire globe, for free. We need to reverse engineer polution. What does that mean, trees? More parks. One can't swindle others and say they have care for a Creator. So in that way I said what I said. Fact is that if there's a Creator she sees everything. I doubt all these people who say they believe in God mean it much if at all. Yes, but you said it. Everytime we open our mouth isn't the karmic wheel further engaged? Munis understand this and don't speak unless spoken to, if at all. Om Shanti
[FairfieldLife] The Buddha from Brooklyn - Surya Das
Surya Das says Judaism didn't do it for him so he became a Buddhist.: http://www.forward.com/articles/4594/
[FairfieldLife] Re: was: questions for Deepak publically. now: Deepak, give Rick a call, please
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: And all the heavens opened and blazed with thunder such as seemed shoutings of all the sons of God. Sal Hey Sal, nice quote. Is it biblical? Or did you simply dive into your well of lyrical genius (with songs) and compose it on the spot? Haiku Drinking my tea Without sugar- No difference. The sparrow shits upside down --ah! my brain eggs Mayan head in a Pacific driftwood bole --Someday I'll live in N.Y. Looking over my shoulder my behind was covered with cherry blossoms. Winter Haiku I didn't know the names of the flowers--now my garden is gone. I slapped the mosquito and missed. What made me do that? Reading haiku I am unhappy, longing for the Nameless. A frog floating in the drugstore jar: summer rain on grey pavements. (after Shiki) On the porch in my shorts; auto lights in the rain. Another year has past-the world is no different. The first thing I looked for in my old garden was The Cherry Tree. My old desk: the first thing I looked for in my house. My early journal: the first thing I found in my old desk. My mother's ghost: the first thing I found in the living room. I quit shaving but the eyes that glanced at me remained in the mirror. The madman emerges from the movies: the street at lunchtime. Cities of boys are in their graves, and in this town... Lying on my side in the void: the breath in my nose. On the fifteenth floor the dog chews a bone- Screech of taxicabs. A hardon in New York, a boy in San Fransisco. The moon over the roof, worms in the garden. I rent this house. Allen Ginsberg
[FairfieldLife] Re: was: questions for Deepak publically. now: Deepak, give Rick a call, please
---HA!...hilarious, well done; you're a genius! In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, matrixmonitor matrixmonitor@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: And all the heavens opened and blazed with thunder such as seemed shoutings of all the sons of God. Sal Haiku Drinking my tea Without sugar- No difference. ... Allen Ginsberg I have sometimes thought Allen was writing about us. Howl -- Transcendental Redux I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by madness, starving hysterical naked, dragging themselves through the east facing streets at dawn looking for an angry fix, a new shot of new knowledge, angel headed hipsters burning for the ancient heavenly connection to the starry dynamo in the machinery of night, who poverty and tatters and hollow-eyed and high sat up turning into smoke in the supernatural darkness of cold-water flats of Fairfield floating across the tops of cities contemplating jazz, who bared their brains to Heaven under the El and saw Mohammedan angels staggering on tene- ment roofs illuminated, who passed through universities with radiant cool eyes hallucinating Arkansas and Blake-light tragedy among the scholars of war, who were expelled from the academies for crazy publishing obscene odes of biased palp on the windows of the skull, who cowered in unshaven rooms in underwear, burn- ing their money in wastebaskets and yagyas and listening to the Terror through the wall, who got busted in their pubic beards returning through to the Domes without a badge. Howl (excerpt)Original I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by madness, starving hysterical naked, dragging themselves through the negro streets at dawn looking for an angry fix, angelheaded hipsters burning for the ancient heavenly connection to the starry dynamo in the machinery of night, who poverty and tatters and hollow-eyed and high sat up smoking in the supernatural darkness of cold-water flats floating across the tops of cities contemplating jazz, who bared their brains to Heaven under the El and saw Mohammedan angels staggering on tene- ment roofs illuminated, who passed through universities with radiant cool eyes hallucinating Arkansas and Blake-light tragedy among the scholars of war, who were expelled from the academies for crazy publishing obscene odes on the windows of the skull, who cowered in unshaven rooms in underwear, burn- ing their money in wastebaskets and listening to the Terror through the wall, who got busted in their pubic beards returning through Laredo with a belt of marijuana for New York,
[FairfieldLife] Re: Description of mantra?? : D
--Precisely, I agree. Besides, is there an unbroken disciplic succession of Enlightened Masters in Judaism or Christianity? No. Giving the most liberal of credit to isolated Enlightened persons in those Traditions, their successors have repeatedly failed to keep up with The Program (if there was a Program to begin with). - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Stu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander mailander111@ wrote: there can be variety of interpretation, but it's not a free-for- all. I don't think Wikipedia's opinion is as valuable as, say, Blake's or Eckhart's. Doesn't any interpretation necessarily fall flat? After all its a little like arguing whether the unicorn's horn is yellow or purple. Given that it is all a lot of hooey, mistranslated, miscopied, and poorly documented - it will not provide any insight into what happens between the maternity ward and the funeral home for any of us. Why waste your time? s.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Description of mantra?? : D
---Quite true!: (below): The three monotheisms have glimpses of this sort, but they never commit to non-dualism. Even the most ardent of the mystics fall short of merger between themselves and the paternalistic supreme being. To go further would be heresy Among the thousands of listed Roman Catholic Saints, we can search the literature for a few and far between Saints who may have realized the Self (say St. John of the Cross). Even among such persons, the idea of becoming One with God is indeed heretical and invites anathema. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Stu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Angela, I am a little unclear here. I understand there are difference between Plato and Aristotle but effectively they are the same tradition. One was the other one's teacher. Plato was a bit lost, Aristotle brought him home. I agree that these guys do form the basis of a rich western philosophical tradition. This is a tradition the managed to stay vibrant despite the influence of monotheism. There is no monotheistic tradition in the west. I am thinking you are pointing to non-dualism. The sort of mysticism where the individual sees their interconnection with the kosmos as a unified whole. The sort of mysticism where infinity and nothingness live together. The three monotheisms have glimpses of this sort, but they never commit to non-dualism. Even the most ardent of the mystics fall short of merger between themselves and the paternalistic supreme being. To go further would be heresy. For the most part the big 3 spend make sure a priestly class keeps a secret knowledge that the most fervent followers can only dream of. This priestly class dangles visions of heaven in front of their followers in exchange for tidings. What is amazing is how long this has been going on without anyone complaining. Then again, any complaints a few years ago meant being burnt at the stake or going through the sort of thing Spinoza had to bear. What a pleasure to live in a world were we can talk freely now. s. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander mailander111@ wrote: Of course, there's a tradition. It just tends to get obscured in the West since we have systematically suppressed this kind of knowledge and burned people at the stake for it. But there definitely is a tradition. Normally we look to the the Platonic tradition rather than the Aristotelian tradition to find it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Corrections to Dr Chopra's article on The Maharishi Years - the Untold Stor
--HSakyamuni Buddha would say yes you can...since the Lotus
Sutra addresses the question of reconciling the Truth (relative and
Absolute Truth) with what works.
What works - is the topic of the Expedient Means Chapter of the
Lotus Sutra and basically, the Buddha says to accept what Authorities
say but in the light of one's own experience: test the proposed
strategies.
The Truth - relative and Absolute, is essentially the whole of the
Lotus Sutra apart from heuristic truths (expedient means) arrived at
through direct experience. Thus, the title of the Lotus Sutra spells
it all out: (the Lotus of the True Law Sutra) = Sat - Dharma -
Pundarika - Sutra)
Sat = Truth
Dharma = True Law
Pundarika = Lotus (Lotus of the True Law, i.e. how Dharma unfolds and
is expressed in life)
Sutra - teachings; more broadly, how one gains a door into the
Teachings through the Guru, the Dharma and the Sangha.
- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Really? How do you figure?
- Original Message
From: Larry [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 1:44:31 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Corrections to Dr Chopra's article
on The Maharishi Years - the Untold Stor
You can have a manifold relative world that works, or
you have one
with Truth, but you can't have both
--- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Angela Mailander
mailander111@ ... wrote:
Well, we've got at least two versions of the events. This does
not
tell us that either version corresponds to the facts, however.
Medical records can be falsified--and I've seen this done on more
than
one occasion. So the medical records would not necessarily tell us
the truth either. And if we can see how difficult it is to get at
the
truth in this scenario, then what makes us think the official
version of history that we learn in school is true?
- Original Message
From: ruthsimplicity ruthsimplicity@ ...
To: FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 1:20:47 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Corrections to Dr Chopra's article on
The Maharishi Years - the Untold Stor
--- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Dick Mays
dickmays@ . wrote:
Please note that Dr G M is an outstanding Indian Governor
responsible for single-handedly creating the first group of
8,000
pundits in India. He is a Maharishi-trained TM-Sidhi
instructor and
teacher of Advanced Techniques.
Farrokh Ruffina
Dear Friends:
I am an Indian physician who was Maharishiji' s personal
physician at
the time that Dr Deepak Chopra was assisting Maharishiji in
England,
as per his article entitled The Maharishi Years - the Untold
Story.
I must inform you that his article is replete with untruths
and
inaccuracies. I was at Maharishiji' s side during the entire
incident. Some of the details of the article that I know to be
untrue are as follows:
there was no blood transfusion from Dr Chopra;
Maharishi was not on a ventilator and was not pronounced dead
as
claimed;
he did not have kidney failure at all at that time;
Dr Chopra's father attended Maharishi in India, but not in
London;
there was no helicopter involved;
Dr Chopra did not carry Maharishiji in his arms into the
hospital.
Dr Chopra was handsomely paid for his services by the
movement.
These facts can be corroborated by Prakash and Kirti from the
Indian
TM movement and Maharishiji' s medical records would bear this
out as
well. There were two other Indian physicians involved, both of
whom
were instructed in TM by Farrokh. They can confirm the facts
as
well.
Dr G. M.
It is interesting to watch people writing history. The absence of
facts will simply lead to even more speculation. Was there a
poisoning or evidence of poisoning? Why London? If not kidney
failure
at that time when did he have kidney failure? What year? What
kind
of recovery? Etc.
Can his silence be interpreted as assent that there was a heart
attack
and pancreatitis and that this happened in late 1991?
He says MMY's medical records would bear this out. I would be
glad to
take a look. :)
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Always looking for more information
---No. Mostly wrong. First, the Puja is a necessary part of TM since the Shakti energy which enlivens the mantra is conveyed in part through the Puja. Taking away one part of the program after another results in a technique devoid of Shakti. One might as well just get the mantra from a book and practice on your own. Speaking of cults, do you mean as in Benjamin Creme's Maitreya? In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Ed the_edvark@ wrote: I just joined the FFL group today and just want to say I'm enjoying the posts and wide range of outlooks. I learned the TM technique off campus, no puja. Very good, Puja is not necessary. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't doing the contempt prior to investigation thing. Having spent a fair amount of time researching and practicing various meditation styles (more 'buddhistic' usually) I can say from this outsiders very circumspect viewpoint that the benefits of TM are very real and readily quantifiable and I would suggest learning TM to anyone. Be careful, the Puja thingy is very tricky, they bow down to a Vedic Master ! Buddhist should not bow down to anyone ! I would though, and do, suggest to people that they learn off campus and avoid the Movement. Very important, you are well adviced and wise. Sadly, I've seen at close range, people in my immediate social circles who've suffered from their lack of caution. Yes, what happened to them ? Became vegetarians probably. Started to burn insence and wear shawls ? Very strange, even dangerous stuff ! I get minimalization and denial from some of my favorite Ru friends when this is mentioned.so I worry a bit. Don't worry, you are the sane person. They are lost to a cult. No group, political ,social, or spiritual thats last for any amount of time goes without the need of reform. Agreed. Reform is vital. Better turn things upside down every so often. Gives a fresh outlook. Traditions are just a burden. I'd like to pose this question: is there within the autocracy of the TM movement any realization of the need for change...or is it just fringe people that are making noise about the dishonsty, the harm, the oppressive secrecy that are the definitive characteristics of the TM organization as the rest of the world see's it? You see, these are cult-people. They don't really care much about the opinions of wise souls like yourself, representative of a very strong, healthy society as you are. No, forget about them, they are lost. I'm a monotheist (of sorts) but I practice a combination of buddhist meditation and holosync meditation developed by Bill Harris who left the movement some time ago. Very good. Mix as many different techniques you can find ! Just blend it all together. Then, and only then will you be able to have clear experiences of your good nature. Being a rather adventurou seeker myself I have respect for any who come to TM to develope spiritually. But be careful. I'm sure some of your friends could become interested. It's important that you stress that they should learn from someone who is not connected to a cult, and does not perform any kind of Puja. I LOVE Fairfield and I dearly love my meditator friends. But I have concerns and would love to see the special community North of town become what many decent good hearted TM'ers would like it to. What would that be ? Or in the wake of Maharishi's passing will we see a solidifying of this autocracy that in my possibly incorrect opinion, perpetuates occult psuedo science and mind control? Probably both. Better stay away from it, it could be very dangerous indeed ! I don't intend to be antagonistic, but this strikes me as group where I might get a variety of viewpoints, all of which I'd appreciate. No doubt about that ! :-) I'd like to know what people think. Thanks Apologetic for any presumptousness, Ed Raines
[FairfieldLife] Immortality mantra of Shiva
The Mahamritunjaya mantra of Shiva is sometimes called the mantra of Immortality, especially in regard to the last 3 terms: So Trayambakam Yajamahe Like a pumpkin how it exits in a creeper but at the same time, pumpkin detached from the creeper it appears as it exists in the creeper at the same time inwardly detached from the creeper. In the same way we have to live in the world be like a pumpkin with the creeper and when it becomes ripen how it detached but appears it exists in the world but in wordily misidentified and only then you will be a victor over death. Only then you can master death. So can we live in the world without being affected by the world is what is meant by expression? Urvaarukamiva: Don't liberate me from immortality but liberate me from death. Death happens when you identify. Look at a river, the river goes or flowing, flowing and therefore the river do not stop. Its flowing just goes on flowing and ultimately in merges into Ocean. If water becomes like an ice then ice can be never be flexible. So can we be like a river flowing without any attachment and then you will find merge with the ocean and hence. Maamrutaat: Immortality doesn't liberate me from bondage and the real bondage is when you identify. This identification happens if you understand nothing is yours, everything is Dhine and when you have the deep trust you never identify your happiness with your unhappiness, your success with you failure and this identification in fact immortality
[FairfieldLife] Re: A short list of my grievances with the movement
---That's why MMY is a 200% Guru: 100% for Advaita and 100% for (as an ideal: Heaven on Earth). But some clarification and discussion would be advisable. Just some thoughts: 1. First, what do we mean by Heaven on Earth. We can go all the way back to Isaiah for some serious considerations in this matter - turning swords into plowshares, etc. This means and end to war and the basic New Deal stuff: full employment, a chicked in every pot, a car in every garage. Healthwise, an end to global diseases; since for example about 16,000 infants die daily due to malnutrition and the most pernicious cause of infant death: tainted water. Although MMY has not mentioned these specific problems, the various measures he's come up with (new or ancient) are designed to ideally cope with both aspects of life: Absolute and relative. Thus the 200%. Although as pointed out by another contributor, MMY's philolsophy is pure Advaita Vedanta (Cf. SBAL, BG); there are some major differences between his implementation of this and the Neo-Advaitins. This brings us to the comment below: why not just address the dualistic illusion or delusion and zero in on the I AM?? (the Self). That's the Neo-Advaitin approach - the modern grandparents of this being Ramana Maharshi and Nisargadatta Maharaj. The proposal in this school is that if one addresses the root cause of suffering (the ignorance of dualism), then ALL other levels of suffering will automatically be nipped in the bud. But here's the key point: Suffering on those levels will supposedly be eradicated among the Enlightened, REGARDLESS of what transpires in the relative sense. Thus, there's no particular effort to addresss problems on their own level. So isn't that MMY's position? No quite. SOME of his proposals have been designed to address problems on their own level, for example, those RAAM gold coins. To conclude, MMY though a proponent of Advaita Vedanta, is not in the same school as the Neo-Advaitins; and from his POV, just addressing the I AM would be insufficient. More is needed: the Maharishi Effect, scientific studies, Yagyas, universities, the whole bit. Neo-Advaitins (examples - Gangaji, Eckart Tolle, Byron Katie, etc...) are not into the peripheral stuff; since they believe that addressing the root cause of ignorance is sufficient. Ramana Maharshi regarded bodily existence as excess baggage. Ultimately, IMO, Glorification of the physical body - attaining a Rainbow Light Body - would be a more desirable goal than simply realizing the Self and dropping the body as excess baggage. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sandiego108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Larry inmadison@ wrote: Maharishi's model of enlightenment has always puzzled me as well - right from the Intro lecture - really, why should a true Indian sage have any concern about World Peace when he should be talking about how the world is illusion . . . how the world is as it should be . . . shouldn't we be walking around pondering the I AM . . . Perhaps this is what made Maharishi so unique - perhaps why he was invited into heaven (should that be the case) - because he cared about the world - because he placed raising world consciousness even above the self-realization of his followers. he also said the world is as you are, so world peace and self- realization from that perspective are one and the same.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'After- death thoughts?
---Possibly Billy Graham. Had brain surgery yesterday to relieve pressure. It's more likely that the USSR was softened up quite a bit due to the Evangelical conventions held by Billy (along with other factors); rather than from any influence by MMY and his ME. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Roberto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@ wrote: Holy Death in Threes and What To Do With These February 15, 2008 by cadeveo I remember it said, by various people, of no more authority or wisdom than I, that people die in threes. Usually, I've heard that sort of thing out of the mouth of someone I worked with round about the end of the year after the death of a celebrity of some stripe. And usually, or so it appears, the person's magical summation regarding the triple-bucket-kick phenomenon has been borne out, at least to the best of hir satisfaction. A bit of confirmation bias, perhaps? That ol' What you look for is just what you'll fine? as true when looking for the bull and finding the horns as when looking for three consecutively croaking famous people. Just a thought, though: Has anyone yet been firing up their confirmation-biased radar for the third holy man to join this party? Mormon President/Prophet, Gordon Hinckley, Jr.-Died January 27, 2007. The Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Founder of Transcendental Meditation- Died Feb. 5, 2007. *** Perhaps... Rep. Tom Lantos (D-Calif.) a hero's farewell yesterday, lauding him, in the words of U.N. Secretary General Ban Ki-moon, as a champion of our common humanity. Lantos Praised as 'Champion of Our Common Humanity' Memorial Service for Rep. Tom Lantos The Hungarian-born Lantos, who died of cancer Monday at age 80, was the only Holocaust survivor ever to serve in Congress. His youth as a resistance fighter in Nazi-occupied Budapest, where he lost most of his family, lent authority to his pursuit of humanitarian causes and his support for U.S. military intervention in the name of democracy. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp- dyn/content/article/2008/02/14/AR2008021403461.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Whatever did become of Jerry Jarvis?
---Still lives in Malibu, has an interest in the typical TMO sponsored projects, as well as some non-official goings-on. (a prison project to teach TM to prisoners). One of his goals is to entice one of the billionaires into allowing the Prison Project to make use of 100 million dollars. Has an interest in the Pundits, in Brahasthan (Spiritual Center of the US), Yagyas; etc; but doesn't seem to consider himself anymore out of the TMO than during the early 70's. He still thinks the TM Movement is going strong, and when I mentioned the Fairfieldlife forum some time ago as being one of the last strongholds of a remnant of TM practitioners (but with a different perspective than Bevan and Hagelin); he laughed at the term remnant. In other words, nothing's amiss. It's still 1974 in his mind. Haven't heard from him re: MMY's demise. He mentioned a meeting with Hagelin and Bevan in NY some time ago. Some money gathering venture. Still refuses to access any non-TMO sources of information on Movement News. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boyboy_8 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: boy, I have not thought of him in a long time. All I heard was all many times removed so it's probably all garbagecan someone tell me what happened to him? Regards, Fred
[FairfieldLife] Re: So, does TM work?
---You worked at the W. LA Center? Which one: Pacific Palisades or the one on Santa Monica Blvd? I hung around there until 1981. The people it (TM - or any other meditation technique) works for are IMO those with some meditation experience in previous lives. This may include a strong background as a Buddhist, Hindu, or Monk in the Christian Tradition. Or, perhaps a Kaballist. But this creates a difficult situation analogous to the requirement of having job experience before getting a job. What about those with no prior experience in any past life? What would be the appeal? MMY's simplistic argument that they should meditate because the mind seeks a field of greater happiness don't quite match reality. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity ruthsimplicity@ wrote: I am getting lost in the grievances thread and thought I would start a new topic so I can find my post later on. Judy got me thinking about the rewards of TM when we were talking about whether a technique of effortless transcending would have been prevalent in the ancient world. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: In my view, the basis for plausibility is how easy it is to meditate effortlessly, and how easy it is as well to get off the effortless track. Seems to me something so easy and rewarding would have likely spread like wildfire once it was discovered, just as TM did in its early days; but almost as quickly, the knack of effortlessness could have been forgotten in a few generations. How rewarding is TM for most people? We don't know, but we can speculate. My speculation is that a large number of people learned to meditate and most quit. Meditation was not rewarding enough to continue. I can't speculate on the population as a whole, but based on two phone polls we did at two TM centers when I was still a TM teacher (Toronto and West Los Angeles), we called everybody we had records of who had started TM and lived in the area. We were calling to invite them to a big social event (NOT a fundraiser...this was long before that embarrassing period in TMO history) and to offer them a free meditation check if they wanted one. In both cities over 80% had stopped meditating within three months of having started. I really would love to know how many people were taught TM and what was the dropout rate over time. It's not a statistic that the TMO would be inter- ested in knowing, much less publicizing. Although this has no validity for statistical purposes, a number of my friends and family learned TM about the same time. None of the 2 times 20 people now meditate. Five went on to take the Siddhis. One became a TB and still is one. Another does her program irregularly. Could it be that the simple TM technique just doesn't work for a lot of people? I would certainly say that this is the case. If TM reguires regular attendance at advanced lectures and regular meetings and residence courses to make it work, then it doesn't work. Simple as that.
