[FairfieldLife] RE: Re: Pope Francis technique

2013-10-20 Thread authfriend
Barry's already made two WHOPPING bloopers today, but I guess he figures he needs to round things off with a third. And what a third... When Barry's panties get in a twist, it has the effect of shutting down what little is left of his brains. Of all the mind-numbingly stupid posts he's

[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Pope Francis technique

2013-10-20 Thread authfriend
Here's one you might find of interest, Seraphita, albeit not an easy read: Julian of Norwich, Theologian, by Denys Turner. (Julian is best known for the famous quote All shall be well, and all shall be well, and all manner of thing shall be well. But Turner has some startling insights into her

[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Pope Francis technique

2013-10-20 Thread s3raphita
Re A much more interesting read is Watts' The Supreme Identity (1950) which is largely based upon the insights of Rene Guenon.: Yes, I've been intending to read that. As you have given it the thumbs up, if it turns up in a second-hand bookshop I'll definitely grab it. It's out of print of

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Pope Francis technique

2013-10-18 Thread Richard J. Williams
We do not know exactly what plant, of all the plants available to them, that Adam and Eve ate of, while in the Biblical Garden of Eden (Genesis 3:6). It has been suggested that it was a fruit that Eve partook of, perhaps an apple, which certainly shows a certain amount of Euoro-centrism.

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Pope Francis technique

2013-10-18 Thread Share Long
My questions to emptybill are: what does Cyril of Alexandria mean by the sin of one? Also, if all sin is illness, does that mean that the orthodox fathers believe that all illness is indicative of sin? On Friday, October 18, 2013 9:23 AM, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote:  

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2013-10-18 Thread Mike Dixon
Because Ceasar Chavez hadn't come along yet, unless he was the snake in the tree. From: Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 7:23 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Pope Francis technique   We do not know exactly what

RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Pope Francis technique

2013-10-18 Thread authfriend
Share wrote: My questions to emptybill are: what does Cyril of Alexandria mean by the sin of one? He means Eve's disobedience. (I'm sure emptybill will correct me if I get anything wrong.) Also, if all sin is illness, does that mean that the orthodox fathers believe that all

[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Pope Francis technique

2013-10-18 Thread authfriend
Seraphita wrote: Who is on those pictures, Daddy? He replied, The Virgin Mary and Jesus. She picked up the icon, kissed it and hugged it to her chest exclaiming, Oh, daddy, they love you so much! Then, he told me, We understood. It's all about affection. If it's really all

Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Pope Francis technique

2013-10-18 Thread Share Long
But Judy, earlier in the same paragraph with the Cyril quote Rev Hughes states: the Eastern Fathers assigned full responsibility for the sin in the Garden to Adam and Eve alone. So how is it a sin of one, I still wonder. On Friday, October 18, 2013 12:21 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com

RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Pope Francis technique

2013-10-18 Thread sharelong60
But again to Judy: Death is the natural result of turning aside from God, says Rev Hughes in the last sentence of the 5th paragraph under Approach of the Orthodox Fathers. From this I would extrapolate that illness, according to the Orthodox Fathers is also a natural result of turning aside

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Pope Francis technique

2013-10-18 Thread Richard J. Williams
@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Friday, October 18, 2013 7:23 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Pope Francis technique We do not know exactly what plant, of all the plants available to them, that Adam and Eve ate of, while in the Biblical Garden of Eden (Genesis 3:6).It has been suggested

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2013-10-18 Thread authfriend
Share wrote: But again to Judy: Death is the natural result of turning aside from God, says Rev Hughes in the last sentence of the 5th paragraph under Approach of the Orthodox Fathers. From this I would extrapolate that illness, according to the Orthodox Fathers is also a natural

[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Pope Francis technique

2013-10-18 Thread authfriend
One can see how others might see this or that without necessarily going along with it oneself, especially when it comes to what Christ realized and taught, given that we have no historical record of same. Plus which, any exposition of nondualism in plain speech is automatically highly suspect,

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2013-10-17 Thread dhamiltony2k5
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[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Pope Francis technique

2013-10-17 Thread authfriend
empty, are you saying Pennington was a TM teacher? That was my understanding, but I didn't know whether it was correct, so I didn't mention it in my comments. How about Keating? emptybill wrote: I had a long time friend who was a TM teacher in Thailand, Malaysia and Singapore in the

[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Pope Francis technique

2013-10-17 Thread authfriend
Well, at least he uses Christian sacred words rather than the Sanskrit mantras the devil prefers... On a different topic, I'd be interested to know more about what you said regarding Augustine and real Christianity, if you have the time and inclination. Where did Augustine go wrong?

[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Pope Francis technique

2013-10-17 Thread authfriend
Thanks, this is great. For the moment, one question: The expulsion from the Garden and from the Tree of Life was an act of love and not vengeance so that humanity would not 'become immortal in sin.' What does immortal in sin mean, and how would that happen? emptybill wrote: Read this and

[FairfieldLife] Re: RE: Pope Francis technique

2013-10-14 Thread TurquoiseB
BTW, Buck, before you go off on one of your Fascist Gotta silence these neganauts on FFL rants, I am *not* saying that the world would not benefit if more people learned to meditate. I'm saying that I don't think that TM has a snowball's chance in hell of being the form of meditation they learn.

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2013-10-14 Thread Michael Jackson
/14/13, TurquoiseB turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: RE: Pope Francis technique To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, October 14, 2013, 10:26 AM   BTW, Buck, before you go off on one

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2013-10-14 Thread anartaxius
Centering Prayer description and instructions. This seems to pretty much cover the TM and mindfulness marketplace.

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2013-10-14 Thread dhamiltony2k5
“Centering Prayer is drawn from ancient prayer practices of the Christian contemplative heritage, notably the Fathers and Mothers of the Desert, Lectio Divina, (praying the scriptures),The Cloud of Unknowing, St. John of the Cross and St. Teresa of Avila. It was distilled into a simple method

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: RE: Pope Francis technique

2013-10-14 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Centering Prayer is drawn from ancient prayer practices of the Christian contemplative heritage, notably the Fathers and Mothers of the Desert, Lectio Divina, (praying the scriptures),The Cloud of Unknowing, St. John of the Cross and St. Teresa

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: RE: Pope Francis technique

2013-10-14 Thread Richard Williams
So, it's all about Willytex. Go figure. On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 9:46 AM, TurquoiseB turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Centering Prayer is drawn from ancient prayer practices of the Christian contemplative heritage, notably the Fathers and

RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: RE: Pope Francis technique

2013-10-14 Thread Michael Jackson
can you ask them to compare and contrast the two and get back to us? On Mon, 10/14/13, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: RE: Pope Francis technique To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date

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2013-10-14 Thread Michael Jackson
and WTS refers to? On Mon, 10/14/13, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: RE: Pope Francis technique To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, October 14, 2013, 3:36 PM

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2013-10-14 Thread dhamiltony2k5
Dear Turq; to give credit where credit is due, actually Centering Prayer was drawn from the range of Christian and Eastern mystics but to be more honest and accurate was distilled from Transcendental Meditation in the 1970's by the three monks and their brethren at St. Joseph's Abbey in

RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: RE: Pope Francis technique

2013-10-14 Thread Michael Jackson
...@yahoo.com dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: RE: Pope Francis technique To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, October 14, 2013, 4:24 PM    Dear Turq; to give credit where

RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: RE: Pope Francis technique

2013-10-14 Thread dhamiltony2k5
Dear Turq; to give credit where credit is due, actually Centering Prayer was drawn from the range of Christian and Eastern mystics but to be more honest and accurate was distilled from Transcendental Meditation in the 1970's by the three monks and their brethren at St. Joseph's Abbey in

RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: RE: Pope Francis technique

2013-10-14 Thread dhamiltony2k5
Dear Turq; to give credit where credit is due, actually Centering Prayer was drawn from the range of Christian and Eastern mystics but to be more honest and accurate was distilled from Transcendental Meditation in the 1970's by the three monks and their brethren at St. Joseph's Abbey in

RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: RE: Pope Francis technique

2013-10-14 Thread judy stein
Buck wrote: Dear Turq; to give credit where credit is due, actually Centering Prayer was drawn from the range of Christian and Eastern mystics but to be more honest and accurate was distilled from Transcendental Meditation in the 1970's by the three monks and their brethren at St. Joseph's

RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: RE: Pope Francis technique

2013-10-14 Thread dhamiltony2k5
And that's the truth. -Buck ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Buck wrote: Dear Turq; to give credit where credit is due, actually Centering Prayer was drawn from the range of Christian and Eastern mystics but to be more honest and accurate

RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: RE: Pope Francis technique

2013-10-14 Thread authfriend
Minor correction. I wrote: Photocopies of the chapter entitled TM and Centering Prayer from Pennington's 1977 book Daily We Touch Him were routinely passed around among TMers. The chapter title was TM and Christian Prayer, but it was about Centering Prayer specifically. BTW,

RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: RE: Pope Francis technique

2013-10-14 Thread dhamiltony2k5
And that's the truth. -Buck ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Buck wrote: Dear Turq; to give credit where credit is due, actually Centering Prayer was drawn from the range of Christian and Eastern mystics but to be more honest and accurate

[FairfieldLife] RE: Re: Pope Francis technique

2013-10-13 Thread srijau
I do as I was instructed so Im not trying and neither is the The Holy Father ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, srijau@... wrote: what a friend we have in Francis, uses the most well researched, the effective

[FairfieldLife] RE: Re: Pope Francis technique

2013-10-13 Thread authfriend
Oh, snap. Barry isn't feeling so hot this morning. Barry wrote: (snip) If you're trying to imply that Pope Francis practices TM, I for one suspect you may be correct: http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/WeirdNews/2013/10/11/21190631.html

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2013-10-13 Thread Bhairitu
If you are implying that effortless meditation is unique to TM, it isn't. On 10/13/2013 07:32 AM, sri...@ymail.com wrote: I do as I was instructed so Im not trying and neither is the The Holy Father ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: --- In

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2013-10-13 Thread dhamiltony2k5
Do a Google search for “Contemplative Outreach”. The odds are much greater the modern Sancta Sedes practices “Centering Prayer” as widely taught by his church. It is now a huge meditation movement that dwarfs the other trademarked version we are familiar with in the marketplace of

RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Re: Pope Francis technique

2013-10-13 Thread dhamiltony2k5
Heck, everybody is offering instruction in effortless “Centering Prayer” meditation; protestants, catholics, jews, even methodists; http://www.centenary-ws.org/SF http://www.centenary-ws.org/SF ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Do a Google search

[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Pope Francis technique

2013-10-13 Thread dhamiltony2k5
Seems to be a lot of group Meissner Effect [ME] group meditations most everywhere now when you start looking. Even in Pittsburgh! http://www.pghcenteringprayer.org/ http://www.pghcenteringprayer.org/ ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Our