Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Does Judy Have A Life?

2006-08-30 Thread Bhairitu
authfriend wrote:

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  

sparaig wrote:



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote:
  

snip
  

Perhaps Judy and Sparig should get a room?  :)


Er, that's the line you reserve for people who are fighting,
or REALLY getting intense in public. I'm pretty sure that
Judy and I haven't been fighting, so are you suggesting that
we've been doing a flirt-flirt thing, letalone an intense one?

  

You should note that room is in quotes.



What does room in quotes mean as opposed to room
not in quotes?

Clue #2: some groups have them but FFL doesn't.



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Does Judy Have A Life?

2006-08-29 Thread Bhairitu
sparaig wrote:

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  

TurquoiseB wrote:



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@
wrote:
 

  

This day for Judy Stein was no different from most. Up at 7am...time
for the first condescending I'm smarter than you post of the day.
Now it's close to 9PM and there are what40 or 50 posts
fromauthfriend (hard to imagine her being a true friend to anyone)
scaterred at 10-15 minute intervals throughout the day and night.

Judy, are you one of these sad folks who sit all day and night
plastered in front of your monitor, trying to create an on line life
for yourself? One of these days they'll have to call the fire
department to help seperate you from your chair.

You should get out more. Today was beautiful. Played a round of 
golf, had a bar-b-que with the family, walked the dog, and just 
now, logged back on to see what's been happening at good old FFL. 
There you are, still on there slinging.
   





FFL as Addiction

On Saturday, August 12th scienceofabundance asked a 
provocative question: Do you experience your partici-
pation in FFL as being an addiction? 

Searching for posts made that same day, I get results 
that say Sparaig started posting that day at 1:16 a.m. 
Paris time, 5:16 p.m. his time Friday night. He 
continued posting every few hours until 2:01 a.m. his 
time Saturday, for a total of 78 posts.

Judy Stein made her first post that Saturday at 2:04 
a.m. Paris time (still 10:04 p.m. Friday night her 
time). She stayed up posting Friday night until 12:18 
p.m. her time, and then started posting Saturday 
morning again at 8:20 a.m. her time. She continued 
posting pretty much all day, until 3:00 a.m. her 
time, for a total of 70 posts. 

All in all, an eloquent if unintentional answer to 
the question.

To quote further from scienceofabundance's post:

 

  

Common Characteristics Among Addictive Behaviors

1. The person becomes obsessed (constantly thinks of) the object, 
activity, or substance.

2. They will seek it out, or engage in the behavior even though 
it is causing harm (physical problems, poor work or study 
performance, problems with friends, family, fellow workers).

3. The person will compulsively engage in the activity, that is, 
do the activity over and over even if he/she does not want to and 
find it difficult to stop.

4. Upon cessation of the activity, withdrawal symptoms often occur. 
These can include irritability, craving, restlessness or depression.

5. The person does not appear to have control as to when, how long, 
or how much he or she will continue the behavior (loss of control). 
   





  

Perhaps Judy and Sparig should get a room?  :)




Er, that's the line you reserve for people who are fighting, or REALLY getting 
intense in 
public. I'm pretty sure that Judy and I haven't been fighting, so are you 
suggesting that 
we've been doing a flirt-flirt thing, letalone an intense one?

You should note that room is in quotes.



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[FairfieldLife] Re: Does Judy Have A Life?

2006-08-29 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 sparaig wrote:
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote:
snip
 Perhaps Judy and Sparig should get a room?  :)
 
 Er, that's the line you reserve for people who are fighting,
 or REALLY getting intense in public. I'm pretty sure that
 Judy and I haven't been fighting, so are you suggesting that
 we've been doing a flirt-flirt thing, letalone an intense one?
 
 You should note that room is in quotes.

What does room in quotes mean as opposed to room
not in quotes?






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Does Judy Have A Life?

2006-08-29 Thread t3rinity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gerbal88 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

. 
 Maybe the Rig Veda said Knowledge is structured in consciousness. If 
 someone can find the exact Sanskrit

RV.164.39 richo akshare

richo are the riks, the verses of the veda, Veda means lit. knowledge.
akshare is the immutable, here translated as consciousness

 it would be useful to look at real translations. 

ROFLOL





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Does Judy Have A Life?

2006-08-29 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gerbal88 no_reply@ wrote:
 
 . 
  Maybe the Rig Veda said Knowledge is structured in consciousness. If 
  someone can find the exact Sanskrit
 
 RV.164.39 richo akshare
 
 richo are the riks, the verses of the veda, Veda means lit. knowledge.
 akshare is the immutable, here translated as consciousness
 
  it would be useful to look at real translations. 
 
 ROFLOL


Hmmm...

 The MUM site says this:

http://is1.mum.edu/vedicreserve/tm.htm

The verses of the Veda exist in the collapse of fullness (the kshara of 'A') in 
the 
transcendental field in which reside all the Devas, the impulses of Creative 
Intelligence, the 
laws of nature responsible for the whole manifest universe.
He whose awareness is not open to this field, what can the verses accomplish 
for him? 
Those who know this level of reality are established in eveness, wholeness of 
life.





Knowledge is structured in consciousness seems a very shorthand way of saying 
the 
same thing. If MMY came up with this short-foirm, kudos to him.










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[FairfieldLife] Re: Does Judy Have A Life?

2006-08-29 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gerbal88 no_reply@ wrote:
 
 . 
  Maybe the Rig Veda said Knowledge is structured in consciousness. 
If 
  someone can find the exact Sanskrit
 
 RV.164.39 richo akshare
 
 richo are the riks, the verses of the veda, Veda means lit. knowledge.
 akshare is the immutable, here translated as consciousness
 
  it would be useful to look at real translations. 
 
 ROFLOL

Did you see this brilliant analysis of the
King hymn (verses 4-5 of hymn 173) of the
10th Mandala of the Rig Veda from Barry?

In the translation provided by cardemeister, the verse
says, 'Firm is the sky and firm the earth, and steadfast
also are these hills. Steadfast is all this living world,
and steadfast is this King of men. Steadfast, may Varuna
the King, steadfast, the God Brhaspati, Steadfast, may
Indra, steadfast too, may Agni keep thy steadfast reign.'

I find this verse -- and the choice of it, presumably
by Maharishi -- fascinating because as a Buddhist it
strikes me as 100% *opposite* to the way the universe
actually works. 'Steadfast' means firmly fixed in place,
not subject to change. Well, as I understanding things
(and as I remember Maharishi himself saying in the past)
*nothing* in the relative world is steadfast. Not the
sky, not the earth, not the 'gods,' and *certainly* not
the kings of men. To believe -- and celebrate -- the
notion that they *are* fixed and not subject to change
seems to me tantamount to having Missed The Whole Point,
big-time. It's like having one's students meditate on
'My name is Ozymandius, King of Kings, Look on my works,
ye Mighty, and despair!' and ignore the fact that all
that's left of Ozzy's Empire and the statue he built to
mark his greatness are two trunkless legs of stone in
the desert.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Does Judy Have A Life?

2006-08-29 Thread t3rinity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gerbal88 no_reply@ wrote:
  
  . 
   Maybe the Rig Veda said Knowledge is structured in
consciousness. If 
   someone can find the exact Sanskrit
  
  RV.164.39 richo akshare
  
  richo are the riks, the verses of the veda, Veda means lit. knowledge.
  akshare is the immutable, here translated as consciousness
  
   it would be useful to look at real translations. 
  
  ROFLOL
 
 
 Hmmm...
 
  The MUM site says this:
 
 http://is1.mum.edu/vedicreserve/tm.htm
 
 The verses of the Veda exist in the collapse of fullness (the kshara
of 'A') in the 
 transcendental field in which reside all the Devas, the impulses of
Creative Intelligence, the 
 laws of nature responsible for the whole manifest universe.
 He whose awareness is not open to this field, what can the verses
accomplish for him? 
 Those who know this level of reality are established in eveness,
wholeness of life.
 
 
 
 
 
 Knowledge is structured in consciousness seems a very shorthand
way of saying the 
 same thing. If MMY came up with this short-foirm, kudos to him.

the 'collapse of fullness' kshara of A, is a later interpretation of
MMY, which came *after* he had phrased that famous 'knowledge is
structured in consciousness', and it rest on his special apaurusheya
bhashya, were the idea that everything comes out of the first syllable
is crucial, and the collapse is crucial too. Before the translation
was somewhat different, not in essence though.
This is Sri Aurobindos translation of the same verse, not different in
essence:

' The Rishi Dirghatamas speaks of the Riks, the Mantras of the Veda,
as existing in a supreme ether, imperishable and immutable in which
all the gods are seated, and he adds one who knows not That what
shall he do with the Rik? (I.164.39)'







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Does Judy Have A Life?

2006-08-29 Thread t3rinity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Yes, I had seen it.

 Did you see this brilliant analysis of the
 King hymn (verses 4-5 of hymn 173) of the
 10th Mandala of the Rig Veda from Barry?
 
 In the translation provided by cardemeister, the verse
 says,

The translation is *provided* by cardemeister, but its of course
neither *by* him nor by MMY. Its an ancient hymn used to install kings.

 'Firm is the sky and firm the earth, and steadfast
 also are these hills. Steadfast is all this living world,
 and steadfast is this King of men. Steadfast, may Varuna
 the King, steadfast, the God Brhaspati, Steadfast, may
 Indra, steadfast too, may Agni keep thy steadfast reign.'
 
 I find this verse -- and the choice of it, presumably
 by Maharishi --  fascinating because as a Buddhist it
 strikes me as 100% *opposite* to the way the universe
 actually works. 


As I said its an ancient hymn used to install Kings. MMY's choice here
was simply referring to the situation. It probably was used to install
Nader Ram. When I read the second part of the last sentence my stomach
turns 180°. To comment on a vedic verse, and the say, 'as a Buddhist
it strikes me as 100% opposite the the way the universe actually works.'

First of all it assumes, that you can use a Buddhist axiom of
'reality' and apply it on a different religion. The validity of the
Vedas was actually rejected by the Buddha. As a practising Buddhist,
one could know this.

Second, it implies that as a Buddhist you know, how the universe
actually works, and that this is an *absolute* truth. ('how the
universe *actually* works)

Third, it assumes that the translation is actually correct and
exhaustive. It is very well known that many Hindus, and that includes
MMY, but not just him, think that the Vedas are virtually not
translatable, and indeed many even think until today that they should
have never been translated. Partly the reason is in RV I. 164

Fourth, it interprets MMY, that nothing in the relative is unchanging
wrongly. Where the Vedas speak of the immutable, they speak of the
absolute, not the relative. The notion of an absolute, unchanging is
rejected by the Buddhists as is very well known. It strikes me
somewhat as odd, that a student of Buddhism wouldn't be aware of this
major difference between Buddhism and Vedanta, which assumes the
Brahman as an Absolute.All this is of a certain philosophic or
religious naivity, if it is not straight Hindubashing.

Fifth, it twists the argument from a general difference between
Hinduism and Buddhism and applies it to MMY having missed the whole
point (the Buddhist point here). While this may be said about the
Rishi of the verse, or maybe the translator, Barry applies it to MMY.

What shall I say. 

And then of course its a wrong english interpretation of steadfast.
Steadfast can be relative. It just means going to last for a long
time, not eternal. Even the Rishis knew that the king would die, but
they wanted him to live long. So the whole thing is hyperbole. Hot air.

'Steadfast' means firmly fixed in place,
 not subject to change. Well, as I understanding things
 (and as I remember Maharishi himself saying in the past)
 *nothing* in the relative world is steadfast. Not the
 sky, not the earth, not the 'gods,' and *certainly* not
 the kings of men. To believe -- and celebrate -- the
 notion that they *are* fixed and not subject to change
 seems to me tantamount to having Missed The Whole Point,
 big-time. It's like having one's students meditate on
 'My name is Ozymandius, King of Kings, Look on my works,
 ye Mighty, and despair!' and ignore the fact that all
 that's left of Ozzy's Empire and the statue he built to
 mark his greatness are two trunkless legs of stone in
 the desert.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Does Judy Have A Life?

2006-08-29 Thread TurquoiseB
Troll for a supporter desperately enough, and long 
enough, and on FFL you will probably find one.  :-)


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
 Yes, I had seen it.
 
  Did you see this brilliant analysis of the
  King hymn (verses 4-5 of hymn 173) of the
  10th Mandala of the Rig Veda from Barry?
  
  In the translation provided by cardemeister, the verse
  says,
 
 The translation is *provided* by cardemeister, but its of course
 neither *by* him nor by MMY. Its an ancient hymn used to install kings.
 
  'Firm is the sky and firm the earth, and steadfast
  also are these hills. Steadfast is all this living world,
  and steadfast is this King of men. Steadfast, may Varuna
  the King, steadfast, the God Brhaspati, Steadfast, may
  Indra, steadfast too, may Agni keep thy steadfast reign.'
  
  I find this verse -- and the choice of it, presumably
  by Maharishi --  fascinating because as a Buddhist it
  strikes me as 100% *opposite* to the way the universe
  actually works. 
 
 
 As I said its an ancient hymn used to install Kings. MMY's choice here
 was simply referring to the situation. It probably was used to install
 Nader Ram. When I read the second part of the last sentence my stomach
 turns 180°. To comment on a vedic verse, and the say, 'as a Buddhist
 it strikes me as 100% opposite the the way the universe actually works.'
 
 First of all it assumes, that you can use a Buddhist axiom of
 'reality' and apply it on a different religion. The validity of the
 Vedas was actually rejected by the Buddha. As a practising Buddhist,
 one could know this.
 
 Second, it implies that as a Buddhist you know, how the universe
 actually works, and that this is an *absolute* truth. ('how the
 universe *actually* works)
 
 Third, it assumes that the translation is actually correct and
 exhaustive. It is very well known that many Hindus, and that includes
 MMY, but not just him, think that the Vedas are virtually not
 translatable, and indeed many even think until today that they should
 have never been translated. Partly the reason is in RV I. 164
 
 Fourth, it interprets MMY, that nothing in the relative is unchanging
 wrongly. Where the Vedas speak of the immutable, they speak of the
 absolute, not the relative. The notion of an absolute, unchanging is
 rejected by the Buddhists as is very well known. It strikes me
 somewhat as odd, that a student of Buddhism wouldn't be aware of this
 major difference between Buddhism and Vedanta, which assumes the
 Brahman as an Absolute.All this is of a certain philosophic or
 religious naivity, if it is not straight Hindubashing.
 
 Fifth, it twists the argument from a general difference between
 Hinduism and Buddhism and applies it to MMY having missed the whole
 point (the Buddhist point here). While this may be said about the
 Rishi of the verse, or maybe the translator, Barry applies it to MMY.
 
 What shall I say. 
 
 And then of course its a wrong english interpretation of steadfast.
 Steadfast can be relative. It just means going to last for a long
 time, not eternal. Even the Rishis knew that the king would die, but
 they wanted him to live long. So the whole thing is hyperbole. Hot air.
 
 'Steadfast' means firmly fixed in place,
  not subject to change. Well, as I understanding things
  (and as I remember Maharishi himself saying in the past)
  *nothing* in the relative world is steadfast. Not the
  sky, not the earth, not the 'gods,' and *certainly* not
  the kings of men. To believe -- and celebrate -- the
  notion that they *are* fixed and not subject to change
  seems to me tantamount to having Missed The Whole Point,
  big-time. It's like having one's students meditate on
  'My name is Ozymandius, King of Kings, Look on my works,
  ye Mighty, and despair!' and ignore the fact that all
  that's left of Ozzy's Empire and the statue he built to
  mark his greatness are two trunkless legs of stone in
  the desert.
 







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Does Judy Have A Life?

2006-08-29 Thread t3rinity
BTW I can only recomment the RV interpretation of Kapali Shastri who
was a vedic pundit, disciple to Ganapati Muni - you remember, the guy
who gave Ramana Maharshi his name. He both was a disciple of Ramana
and Aurobindo. For example, the 'Ramana Gita', compiled by Ganapati
Muni,one of the earliest and IMHO best works of Ramana, Ch. 12
contains Kapalis questions to Ramana on Shakti.

Somebody has brought out translations of the 4 Vedas along these lines.
http://www.vedah.com/org2/literature/rig_veda/toc.html
(I didn't find the translations online yet, but they are there in
print, maybe not full translations, but large parts.The books can be
ordered from Bangalore.)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
 Yes, I had seen it.
 
  Did you see this brilliant analysis of the
  King hymn (verses 4-5 of hymn 173) of the
  10th Mandala of the Rig Veda from Barry?
  
  In the translation provided by cardemeister, the verse
  says,
 
 The translation is *provided* by cardemeister, but its of course
 neither *by* him nor by MMY. Its an ancient hymn used to install kings.
 
  'Firm is the sky and firm the earth, and steadfast
  also are these hills. Steadfast is all this living world,
  and steadfast is this King of men. Steadfast, may Varuna
  the King, steadfast, the God Brhaspati, Steadfast, may
  Indra, steadfast too, may Agni keep thy steadfast reign.'







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Does Judy Have A Life?

2006-08-29 Thread t3rinity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Troll for a supporter desperately enough, and long 
 enough, and on FFL you will probably find one.  :-)

Usually we don't need words to dismiss this empty bubble of words, but
as I was politely asked..





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Does Judy Have A Life?

2006-08-29 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Troll for a supporter desperately enough, and long 
 enough, and on FFL you will probably find one.  :-)

(As Barry knows, folks, Michael and I have been
generally pretty friendly for a long time.)







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Does Judy Have A Life?

2006-08-29 Thread Robert Gimbel
 (snip)
  'Firm is the sky and firm the earth, and steadfast
  also are these hills. Steadfast is all this living world,
  and steadfast is this King of men. Steadfast, may Varuna
  the King, steadfast, the God Brhaspati, Steadfast, may
  Indra, steadfast too, may Agni keep thy steadfast reign.'

This could also be analogist to one of the Psalms of (King) David...
Where he would sing these songs (Psalms means songs) to G*D;
The steadfast G*D of Israel, and so on and so forth...
Again, here is someone obviously feeling connected or one with 
the  All and therefore is part of the co-creating process...






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Does Judy Have A Life?

2006-08-29 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
 Yes, I had seen it.
 
  Did you see this brilliant analysis of the
  King hymn (verses 4-5 of hymn 173) of the
  10th Mandala of the Rig Veda from Barry?
  
  In the translation provided by cardemeister, the verse
  says,
 
 The translation is *provided* by cardemeister, but its of course
 neither *by* him nor by MMY. Its an ancient hymn used to install
 kings.

Sure, it's one of the standard poetic translations.
cardemeister just quoted it.  Barry *probably*
understood that, but maybe not.

snip
 rejected by the Buddhists as is very well known. It strikes me
 somewhat as odd, that a student of Buddhism wouldn't be aware of
 this major difference between Buddhism and Vedanta, which assumes 
 the Brahman as an Absolute.All this is of a certain philosophic or
 religious naivity, if it is not straight Hindubashing.

Well, in context of the rest of the post, it's
Judy-bashing and MMY-bashing, and of course
Barry-exalting, combined with ignorance, most
likely, rather than Hindu-bashing per se.  As
always, when Barry sees an opportunity to take
a shot, facts just don't matter.

 And then of course its a wrong english interpretation of steadfast.
 Steadfast can be relative. It just means going to last for a long
 time, not eternal. Even the Rishis knew that the king would die, but
 they wanted him to live long. So the whole thing is hyperbole. Hot 
 air.

Sure, like the old toast, May the king live forever.

Thanks, Michael.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Does Judy Have A Life?

2006-08-29 Thread Alex Stanley
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
 
  Troll for a supporter desperately enough, and long 
  enough, and on FFL you will probably find one.  :-)
 
 (As Barry knows, folks, Michael and I have been
 generally pretty friendly for a long time.)

What stands out for me in that exchange is how Barry, a long-winded
criticizer of others, handles being criticized. I think Michael's post
deserved a thoughtful response and not just a glib one-liner.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Does Judy Have A Life?

2006-08-29 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
  
   Troll for a supporter desperately enough, and long 
   enough, and on FFL you will probably find one.  :-)
  
  (As Barry knows, folks, Michael and I have been
  generally pretty friendly for a long time.)
 
 What stands out for me in that exchange is how Barry, a long-
 winded criticizer of others, handles being criticized. I think 
 Michael's post deserved a thoughtful response and not just a 
 glib one-liner.

Alex, if you actually do want a kinda research project
to analyze on FFl, take this one. Is you honestly think
that there any difference bettween the way that Barry 
handles criticism or him on this forum, and the way that 
he handles praise of him on this forum. I'd be interested 
in your opinon of where those differences lie.

In my opinion, there should be no difference whatsoever.
If you think you can make a case for there being one,
go for it...I'd be interested...








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Does Judy Have A Life?

2006-08-29 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley
 j_alexander_stanley@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend
  jstein@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB
   no_reply@ wrote:
   
Troll for a supporter desperately enough, and long 
enough, and on FFL you will probably find one.  :-)
   
   (As Barry knows, folks, Michael and I have been
   generally pretty friendly for a long time.)
  
  What stands out for me in that exchange is how Barry, a long-
  winded criticizer of others, handles being criticized. I think 
  Michael's post deserved a thoughtful response and not just a 
  glib one-liner.
 
 Alex, if you actually do want a kinda research project
 to analyze on FFl, take this one. Is you honestly think
 that there any difference bettween the way that Barry 
 handles criticism or him on this forum, and the way that 
 he handles praise of him on this forum. I'd be interested 
 in your opinon of where those differences lie.

Non sequitur, except in that it's a perfect example
of what Alex is talking about.

However, taking his question on its own terms, the
difference is that Barry doesn't respond to praise
at all (not even with a courteous Thanks); but he
responds to criticism in one of two ways: either he
blows it off, as here, or he replies with one of his
long ad hominem rants attacking the critic.

 In my opinion, there should be no difference whatsoever.
 If you think you can make a case for there being one,
 go for it...I'd be interested...

See above for my take.

(Actually this time Barry didn't attack the critic,
Michael, but--surprise!--me.)







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Does Judy Have A Life?

2006-08-28 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 This day for Judy Stein was no different from most. Up at 7am...time
 for the first condescending I'm smarter than you post of the day.
 Now it's close to 9PM and there are what40 or 50 posts
 fromauthfriend (hard to imagine her being a true friend to anyone)
 scaterred at 10-15 minute intervals throughout the day and night.
 
 Judy, are you one of these sad folks who sit all day and night
 plastered in front of your monitor, trying to create an on line life
 for yourself? One of these days they'll have to call the fire
 department to help seperate you from your chair.
 
 You should get out more. Today was beautiful. Played a round of 
 golf, had a bar-b-que with the family, walked the dog, and just 
 now, logged back on to see what's been happening at good old FFL. 
 There you are, still on there slinging.



FFL as Addiction

On Saturday, August 12th scienceofabundance asked a 
provocative question: Do you experience your partici-
pation in FFL as being an addiction? 

Searching for posts made that same day, I get results 
that say Sparaig started posting that day at 1:16 a.m. 
Paris time, 5:16 p.m. his time Friday night. He 
continued posting every few hours until 2:01 a.m. his 
time Saturday, for a total of 78 posts.

Judy Stein made her first post that Saturday at 2:04 
a.m. Paris time (still 10:04 p.m. Friday night her 
time). She stayed up posting Friday night until 12:18 
p.m. her time, and then started posting Saturday 
morning again at 8:20 a.m. her time. She continued 
posting pretty much all day, until 3:00 a.m. her 
time, for a total of 70 posts. 

All in all, an eloquent if unintentional answer to 
the question.

To quote further from scienceofabundance's post:

 Common Characteristics Among Addictive Behaviors
 
 1. The person becomes obsessed (constantly thinks of) the object, 
 activity, or substance.
 
 2. They will seek it out, or engage in the behavior even though 
 it is causing harm (physical problems, poor work or study 
 performance, problems with friends, family, fellow workers).
 
 3. The person will compulsively engage in the activity, that is, 
 do the activity over and over even if he/she does not want to and 
 find it difficult to stop.
 
 4. Upon cessation of the activity, withdrawal symptoms often occur. 
 These can include irritability, craving, restlessness or depression.
 
 5. The person does not appear to have control as to when, how long, 
 or how much he or she will continue the behavior (loss of control). 









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[FairfieldLife] Re: Does Judy Have A Life?

2006-08-28 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@
 wrote:
 
  This day for Judy Stein was no different from most. Up at 7am...time
  for the first condescending I'm smarter than you post of the day.
  Now it's close to 9PM and there are what40 or 50 posts
  fromauthfriend (hard to imagine her being a true friend to anyone)
  scaterred at 10-15 minute intervals throughout the day and night.
  
  Judy, are you one of these sad folks who sit all day and night
  plastered in front of your monitor, trying to create an on line life
  for yourself? One of these days they'll have to call the fire
  department to help seperate you from your chair.
  
  You should get out more. Today was beautiful. Played a round of 
  golf, had a bar-b-que with the family, walked the dog, and just 
  now, logged back on to see what's been happening at good old FFL. 
  There you are, still on there slinging.
 
 
 
 FFL as Addiction
 
 On Saturday, August 12th scienceofabundance asked a 
 provocative question: Do you experience your partici-
 pation in FFL as being an addiction? 
 
 Searching for posts made that same day, I get results 
 that say Sparaig started posting that day at 1:16 a.m. 
 Paris time, 5:16 p.m. his time Friday night. He 
 continued posting every few hours until 2:01 a.m. his 
 time Saturday, for a total of 78 posts.
 
 Judy Stein made her first post that Saturday at 2:04 
 a.m. Paris time (still 10:04 p.m. Friday night her 
 time). She stayed up posting Friday night until 12:18 
 p.m. her time, and then started posting Saturday 
 morning again at 8:20 a.m. her time. She continued 
 posting pretty much all day, until 3:00 a.m. her 
 time, for a total of 70 posts. 
 
 All in all, an eloquent if unintentional answer to 
 the question.

So, Unc, do you consider your obsession with Judy's posting habits to be an 
addiction?

 
 To quote further from scienceofabundance's post:
 
  Common Characteristics Among Addictive Behaviors
  
  1. The person becomes obsessed (constantly thinks of) the object, 
  activity, or substance.
  

Obviouisly the case with you and Judy's posts.

  2. They will seek it out, or engage in the behavior even though 
  it is causing harm (physical problems, poor work or study 
  performance, problems with friends, family, fellow workers).
  

First thing you do when you come back from vacation is start posting on FFL. 
Wasn't that a 
permanent withdrawal, BTW?

  3. The person will compulsively engage in the activity, that is, 
  do the activity over and over even if he/she does not want to and 
  find it difficult to stop.
  

See above and vacation's permanence...

  4. Upon cessation of the activity, withdrawal symptoms often occur. 
  These can include irritability, craving, restlessness or depression.
  

Did you miss her THAT much? Seems like.

  5. The person does not appear to have control as to when, how long, 
  or how much he or she will continue the behavior (loss of control). 

This last speaks for itself...






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Does Judy Have A Life?

2006-08-28 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
 FFL as Addiction
 
 On Saturday, August 12th scienceofabundance asked a 
 provocative question: Do you experience your partici-
 pation in FFL as being an addiction? 
snip 
 Judy Stein made her first post that Saturday at 2:04 
 a.m. Paris time (still 10:04 p.m. Friday night her 
 time). She stayed up posting Friday night until 12:18 
 p.m. her time, and then started posting Saturday 
 morning again at 8:20 a.m. her time. She continued 
 posting pretty much all day, until 3:00 a.m. her 
 time, for a total of 70 posts.

(Actually I went to bed around 10:30, way earlier than
usual, woke up four hours later and couldn't get back
to sleep, so I turned on the computer again and made
a few more posts in the middle of the night.  It 
wasn't continuous posting from the morning through
to 3 a.m.)

Just for the record, August 12 was a rare day off
for me in the middle of a truly exhausting stretch
of one work deadline after another.  Freelancers
typically have a feast or famine problem where
work is concerned, where feast brings in the
money hand over fist, but at the expense of a
normal amount of free time.

When you get a day off in one of these feast
seasons, you typically don't have the energy to
do anything more demanding than frittering away
the time at whatever is easiest and least stressful,
and at the same time least reminiscent, content-
wise, of whatever work you were doing prior to the
time off.

Sometimes on these occasions I'll read books all
day long, or go to the beach, or putter around
the house if I have the energy.  This time, there
was a bunch of interesting discussions going on
on FFL, and I spent most of the day churning out
posts.  It was satisfying and energizing and left
me ready to plunge into the next work project on
my list when it arrived the next morning.

I do post a lot, but that day was *way* above my
usual.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Does Judy Have A Life?

2006-08-28 Thread geezerfreak
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Now, I just did a little research on you.  Of the
 10 posts you've left since the beginning of the
 year (at least under the name geezerfreak),
 almost all in the last week, 8 were addressed to me
 or making nasty comments about me to somebody else.
 
 One of them was about how irrelevant I am on this
 forum.
 
 Makes you think, don't it?


Sure does Missy. Makes me realize that you stayed up even later than I
thought to keep posting and do research on me. Which confirms your
irrelevance.

Mea culpa though. I proposed ignoring your posts in the future and
here I am responding to one. Shame on me. Won't happen again.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Does Judy Have A Life?

2006-08-28 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
  Now, I just did a little research on you.  Of the
  10 posts you've left since the beginning of the
  year (at least under the name geezerfreak),
  almost all in the last week, 8 were addressed to me
  or making nasty comments about me to somebody else.
  
  One of them was about how irrelevant I am on this
  forum.
  
  Makes you think, don't it?
 
 Sure does Missy. Makes me realize that you stayed up even
 later than I thought to keep posting and do research on me.

Just curious, how long did *you* spend doing research
on *me*?

(I often post that late, by the way, so I didn't
stay up any later than usual, nor, I'm afraid, did
I do so just to do research on you.  Sorry if that
disappoints you.)

 Which confirms your irrelevance.

Your obsession with my irrelevance confirms
my irrelevance.  I see.

 Mea culpa though. I proposed ignoring your posts in the future and
 here I am responding to one. Shame on me. Won't happen again.

But are you reserving the right to initiate
carefully researched posts *to* me complaining
about my irrelevance, as you did last night?
How about posts to others complaining about my
irrelevance?

Inquiring minds want to know...







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Does Judy Have A Life?

2006-08-28 Thread Bhairitu
TurquoiseB wrote:

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
  

This day for Judy Stein was no different from most. Up at 7am...time
for the first condescending I'm smarter than you post of the day.
Now it's close to 9PM and there are what40 or 50 posts
fromauthfriend (hard to imagine her being a true friend to anyone)
scaterred at 10-15 minute intervals throughout the day and night.

Judy, are you one of these sad folks who sit all day and night
plastered in front of your monitor, trying to create an on line life
for yourself? One of these days they'll have to call the fire
department to help seperate you from your chair.

You should get out more. Today was beautiful. Played a round of 
golf, had a bar-b-que with the family, walked the dog, and just 
now, logged back on to see what's been happening at good old FFL. 
There you are, still on there slinging.





FFL as Addiction

On Saturday, August 12th scienceofabundance asked a 
provocative question: Do you experience your partici-
pation in FFL as being an addiction? 

Searching for posts made that same day, I get results 
that say Sparaig started posting that day at 1:16 a.m. 
Paris time, 5:16 p.m. his time Friday night. He 
continued posting every few hours until 2:01 a.m. his 
time Saturday, for a total of 78 posts.

Judy Stein made her first post that Saturday at 2:04 
a.m. Paris time (still 10:04 p.m. Friday night her 
time). She stayed up posting Friday night until 12:18 
p.m. her time, and then started posting Saturday 
morning again at 8:20 a.m. her time. She continued 
posting pretty much all day, until 3:00 a.m. her 
time, for a total of 70 posts. 

All in all, an eloquent if unintentional answer to 
the question.

To quote further from scienceofabundance's post:

  

Common Characteristics Among Addictive Behaviors

1. The person becomes obsessed (constantly thinks of) the object, 
activity, or substance.

2. They will seek it out, or engage in the behavior even though 
it is causing harm (physical problems, poor work or study 
performance, problems with friends, family, fellow workers).

3. The person will compulsively engage in the activity, that is, 
do the activity over and over even if he/she does not want to and 
find it difficult to stop.

4. Upon cessation of the activity, withdrawal symptoms often occur. 
These can include irritability, craving, restlessness or depression.

5. The person does not appear to have control as to when, how long, 
or how much he or she will continue the behavior (loss of control). 





Perhaps Judy and Sparig should get a room?  :)



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[FairfieldLife] Re: Does Judy Have A Life?

2006-08-28 Thread geezerfreak
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 
 Perhaps Judy and Sparig should get a room?  :)

I was thinking the same thing but ew!






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Does Judy Have A Life?

2006-08-28 Thread gerbal88
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@
 wrote:
 
  This day for Judy Stein was no different from most. Up at 
7am...time
  for the first condescending I'm smarter than you post of the 
day.
  Now it's close to 9PM and there are what40 or 50 posts
  fromauthfriend (hard to imagine her being a true friend to 
anyone)
  scaterred at 10-15 minute intervals throughout the day and night.
  
  Judy, are you one of these sad folks who sit all day and night
  plastered in front of your monitor, trying to create an on line 
life
  for yourself? One of these days they'll have to call the fire
  department to help seperate you from your chair.
  
  You should get out more. Today was beautiful. Played a round of 
  golf, had a bar-b-que with the family, walked the dog, and just 
  now, logged back on to see what's been happening at good old FFL. 
  There you are, still on there slinging.
 
 
 
 FFL as Addiction
 
 On Saturday, August 12th scienceofabundance asked a 
 provocative question: Do you experience your partici-
 pation in FFL as being an addiction? 
 
 Searching for posts made that same day, I get results 
 that say Sparaig started posting that day at 1:16 a.m. 
 Paris time, 5:16 p.m. his time Friday night. He 
 continued posting every few hours until 2:01 a.m. his 
 time Saturday, for a total of 78 posts.
 
 Judy Stein made her first post that Saturday at 2:04 
 a.m. Paris time (still 10:04 p.m. Friday night her 
 time). She stayed up posting Friday night until 12:18 
 p.m. her time, and then started posting Saturday 
 morning again at 8:20 a.m. her time. She continued 
 posting pretty much all day, until 3:00 a.m. her 
 time, for a total of 70 posts. 
 
 All in all, an eloquent if unintentional answer to 
 the question.
 
 To quote further from scienceofabundance's post:
 
  Common Characteristics Among Addictive Behaviors
  
  1. The person becomes obsessed (constantly thinks of) the object, 
  activity, or substance.
  
  2. They will seek it out, or engage in the behavior even though 
  it is causing harm (physical problems, poor work or study 
  performance, problems with friends, family, fellow workers).
  
  3. The person will compulsively engage in the activity, that is, 
  do the activity over and over even if he/she does not want to and 
  find it difficult to stop.
  
  4. Upon cessation of the activity, withdrawal symptoms often 
occur. 
  These can include irritability, craving, restlessness or 
depression.
  
  5. The person does not appear to have control as to when, how 
long, 
  or how much he or she will continue the behavior (loss of 
control). 
 
 

I don't think FFL is the addiction. I think insecurity and 
reinforcing what alleviates that insecurity is the addictive 
behaviour. Judy and Lawson suck up to one another like Jehovah's 
Witnesses reminding one another how right they are and how they must 
guard them selves against the evil world they are trying to convert.

We see this is many forms of religious fanaticism. I don't think 
you'd have to bee too objective to see just how Mahesh plants the 
seeds of this in telling his people what to wear/eat/avoid/do ... 
Maybe the Rig Veda said Knowledge is structured in consciousness. If 
someone can find the exact Sanskrit it would be useful to look at 
real translations. Surely, however, Mahesh has made every endeavour 
to structure the behaviour of his people in a consciousness he 
himself has dictated. Very much a do as I say, not as I do kind of 
creature is our giggling guru.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Does Judy Have A Life?

2006-08-28 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gerbal88 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
 I don't think FFL is the addiction. I think insecurity and 
 reinforcing what alleviates that insecurity is the addictive 
 behaviour. Judy and Lawson suck up to one another like Jehovah's 
 Witnesses reminding one another how right they are

Except, of course, when we disagree...

 and how they 
 must guard them selves against the evil world they are trying to 
 convert.

Right, and participating in Fairfield Life is
a particularly effective way of guarding
ourselves against this evil world, and FFLers
are especially ripe for conversion.

snicker

snip
 Surely, however, Mahesh has made every endeavour 
 to structure the behaviour of his people in a consciousness he 
 himself has dictated. Very much a do as I say, not as I do kind of 
 creature is our giggling guru.

Wait, but Barry sez we've been programmed to do
*exactly* as MMY does!






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Does Judy Have A Life?

2006-08-28 Thread elastomeric_brotherhood
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote:
 
 
  
  Perhaps Judy and Sparig should get a room?  :)
 
 I was thinking the same thing but ew!

The Judy obsessed halfwits, Barry and geezerfreak, are the ones who 
need to get the room.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Does Judy Have A Life?

2006-08-28 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 TurquoiseB wrote:
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@
 wrote:
   
 
 This day for Judy Stein was no different from most. Up at 7am...time
 for the first condescending I'm smarter than you post of the day.
 Now it's close to 9PM and there are what40 or 50 posts
 fromauthfriend (hard to imagine her being a true friend to anyone)
 scaterred at 10-15 minute intervals throughout the day and night.
 
 Judy, are you one of these sad folks who sit all day and night
 plastered in front of your monitor, trying to create an on line life
 for yourself? One of these days they'll have to call the fire
 department to help seperate you from your chair.
 
 You should get out more. Today was beautiful. Played a round of 
 golf, had a bar-b-que with the family, walked the dog, and just 
 now, logged back on to see what's been happening at good old FFL. 
 There you are, still on there slinging.
 
 
 
 
 
 FFL as Addiction
 
 On Saturday, August 12th scienceofabundance asked a 
 provocative question: Do you experience your partici-
 pation in FFL as being an addiction? 
 
 Searching for posts made that same day, I get results 
 that say Sparaig started posting that day at 1:16 a.m. 
 Paris time, 5:16 p.m. his time Friday night. He 
 continued posting every few hours until 2:01 a.m. his 
 time Saturday, for a total of 78 posts.
 
 Judy Stein made her first post that Saturday at 2:04 
 a.m. Paris time (still 10:04 p.m. Friday night her 
 time). She stayed up posting Friday night until 12:18 
 p.m. her time, and then started posting Saturday 
 morning again at 8:20 a.m. her time. She continued 
 posting pretty much all day, until 3:00 a.m. her 
 time, for a total of 70 posts. 
 
 All in all, an eloquent if unintentional answer to 
 the question.
 
 To quote further from scienceofabundance's post:
 
   
 
 Common Characteristics Among Addictive Behaviors
 
 1. The person becomes obsessed (constantly thinks of) the object, 
 activity, or substance.
 
 2. They will seek it out, or engage in the behavior even though 
 it is causing harm (physical problems, poor work or study 
 performance, problems with friends, family, fellow workers).
 
 3. The person will compulsively engage in the activity, that is, 
 do the activity over and over even if he/she does not want to and 
 find it difficult to stop.
 
 4. Upon cessation of the activity, withdrawal symptoms often occur. 
 These can include irritability, craving, restlessness or depression.
 
 5. The person does not appear to have control as to when, how long, 
 or how much he or she will continue the behavior (loss of control). 
 
 
 
 
 
 Perhaps Judy and Sparig should get a room?  :)


Er, that's the line you reserve for people who are fighting, or REALLY getting 
intense in 
public. I'm pretty sure that Judy and I haven't been fighting, so are you 
suggesting that 
we've been doing a flirt-flirt thing, letalone an intense one?







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Does Judy Have A Life?

2006-08-27 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 This day for Judy Stein was no different from most. Up at 7am...time
 for the first condescending I'm smarter than you post of the day.

Let's see, would that be the one in which I asked
if you had any *substantive* comment on the post
of mine you were responding to, rather than just
ad hominem?

 Now it's close to 9PM and there are what40 or 50 posts
 fromauthfriend (hard to imagine her being a true friend to anyone)
 scaterred at 10-15 minute intervals throughout the day and night.

(50 posts at 15-minute intervals would make a pretty
short day and night, actually.)

So you don't read my posts, you just count them?

I did post a lot today.  Usually it's less than that.

But you want me to add one *more* post?

 Judy, are you one of these sad folks who sit all day and night
 plastered in front of your monitor, trying to create an on line life
 for yourself?

Actually I'm a freelance editor.  I work from home,
mostly on the computer.  I work at intervals throughout
my waking hours rather than continuously for seven
hours.  For the past couple of weeks I've been doing
a very lucrative but very boring project, and I take
lots of quick Internet breaks to keep my eyes from
getting crossed.  This is the only forum I post to,
however.

 One of these days they'll have to call the fire
 department to help seperate you from your chair.
 
 You should get out more. Today was beautiful.

Actually it was unpleasant and rainy where I am.
Did you know that weather is typically different
in different parts of the country?

Plus which, there were a bunch of idiots picking
fights with me, and another bunch of idiots who
claim they never read my posts taking swipes at
me (and at the pro-TMers here and in general).

Now that Barry's back, it's open season again on
pro-TMers, me in particular.  When he starts in,
all the anti-TMers start high-fiving each other
and ganging up on the few of us who don't have
exclusively negative things to say about TM/the
TMO/MMY.  Things were a whole lot more pleasant
while he was away.

Now, I just did a little research on you.  Of the
10 posts you've left since the beginning of the
year (at least under the name geezerfreak),
almost all in the last week, 8 were addressed to me
or making nasty comments about me to somebody else.

One of them was about how irrelevant I am on this
forum.

Makes you think, don't it?







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