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Moi, intentionally vague? Shirley, you jest.
+++ Shirley is a
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willytex@ wrote:
bob_brigante wrote:
Doesn't Bal mean boy - Bal Brahmachari means life
celibate,
or so I understood.
You are mistaken, Bob - according to the Cologne Digital Sanskrit
Lexicon, the Sanskrit term 'bal'
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Moi, intentionally vague? Shirley, you jest.
+++ Shirley is a
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sparaig wrote:
You're being rather vague here Judy.
Some people just feel better when they have someone to talk to, I guess.
Was this intentional...?
Well, I think it was her intention to try and
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sparaig wrote:
You're being rather vague here Judy.
Some people just feel better when they have someone to talk to,
I guess.
wayback71 wrote:
Richard, what is your point and could you just say it clearly?
wayback71 - The Marshy doesn't need anymore people to sign up for TM
training - he just needs to have the current teams of meditators sit
in large groups to achieve the Maharishi effect, like we do at in the
Vaj wrote:
Which matha are you particularly referring to?
The matha at Sringeri, the headquarters of the Saraswati sampradaya,
the Dasanami sect founded by the Shakaracharya. Sringeri was the
headquarters matha of Swami Brahmanand Saraswati, whose teacher was
Swami Krishnanand Saraswati of
On Apr 5, 2006, at 8:44 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
Vaj wrote:
Which matha are you particularly referring to?
The matha at Sringeri, the headquarters of the Saraswati sampradaya,
the Dasanami sect founded by the Shakaracharya. Sringeri was the
headquarters matha of Swami Brahmanand
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On Apr 5, 2006, at 8:44 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
Vaj wrote:
Which matha are you particularly referring to?
The matha at Sringeri, the headquarters of the Saraswati
sampradaya,
the Dasanami sect founded by
Vaj wrote:
It's very ubiquitous.
So, you're saying that many other temples in India, not just
Brahmanand's headquarters matha at Sringeri, practice a meditation
similar to TM and that the use of some TM bija mantras is widespread.
Sri Vidya is not the only source of bija mantras.
So, you
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wayback71 wrote:
Richard, what is your point and could you just say it clearly?
wayback71 - The Marshy doesn't need anymore people to sign up for TM
training - he just needs to have the current teams of
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willytex@ wrote:
wayback71 wrote:
Richard, what is your point and could you just say it clearly?
wayback71 - The Marshy doesn't need anymore people to
sparaig wrote:
...so you're saying that the fact that MMY produced a
controvesial will didn't make the connection for you?
It's not a fact that MMY 'produced' any controversial will. In fact,
Brahmanand's will was found in a locked vault at the offices of the
Jyotirmath Foundation Trust, and
On Apr 5, 2006, at 10:04 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
Vaj wrote:
It's very ubiquitous.
So, you're saying that many other temples in India, not just
Brahmanand's headquarters matha at Sringeri, practice a meditation
similar to TM and that the use of some TM bija mantras is
On Apr 5, 2006, at 10:01 AM, sparaig wrote:
It was actually from a conversation with Sw. Rama that I found out
that Mahesh was one of the leading suspects in the murder of Swami
Brahmananda. Sw. Rama's teaching on meditation probably most
closely
resembles Swami Brahmananda's own
markmeredith wrote:
Most every Indian spiritual group I've investigated uses some
of the bija mantras - not necessarily in an eye-closed effortless
meditation practice, but they seem to be very commonly known.
So, it's a common practice all over India - Mr. Perino was mistaken.
As
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It was actually from a conversation with Sw. Rama that I found out
that Mahesh was one of the leading suspects in the murder of Swami
Brahmananda. Sw. Rama's teaching on meditation probably most closely
resembles
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markmeredith wrote:
Most every Indian spiritual group I've investigated uses some
of the bija mantras - not necessarily in an eye-closed effortless
meditation practice, but they seem to be very commonly
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On Apr 5, 2006, at 10:01 AM, sparaig wrote:
It was actually from a conversation with Sw. Rama that I found
out
that Mahesh was one of the leading suspects in the murder of
Swami
Brahmananda. Sw. Rama's teaching on
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It was actually from a conversation with Sw. Rama that I found out
that Mahesh was one of the leading suspects in the murder of Swami
sparaig wrote:
Swami Rama claims he learned a specific meditation technique
involving his own prayer beads (or whatever they are called)
from Gurudev.
Not just a meditation technique for counting prayer beads - Swami Rama
was apparently intiated into the secret Sri Vidya cult by Swami
Vaj wrote:
It was a shock at the time.
sparaig wrote:
You're easily shocked since succession issues have been all
the rage in religious and spiritual traditions since the dawn
of history.
Vaj seems not to be aware of the fact that the controversy concerning
the succession at Jyotirmath
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Vaj wrote:
It was a shock at the time.
sparaig wrote:
You're easily shocked since succession issues have been all
the rage in religious and spiritual traditions since the dawn
of history.
Vaj
On Apr 5, 2006, at 12:01 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
Vaj seems not to be aware of the fact that the controversy concerning
the succession at Jyotirmath was ongoing for over 150 years (some say
250 years).
Actually Willie, I was aware of all this.
For all we know, the real Shankaracharya
So, you're saying that many other temples in India, not just
Brahmanand's headquarters matha at Sringeri, practice a
meditation similar to TM and that the use of some TM bija
mantras is widespread.
Vaj wrote:
We've discussed your misconceptions on these subjects many
times Willie.
On Apr 5, 2006, at 8:44 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
Vaj wrote:
Which matha are you particularly referring to?
The matha at Sringeri, the headquarters of the Saraswati sampradaya,
the Dasanami sect founded by the Shakaracharya. Sringeri was the
headquarters matha of Swami
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willytex@ wrote:
Vaj wrote:
It was a shock at the time.
sparaig wrote:
You're easily shocked since succession issues have been all
the
There's no evidence that a murder ever took place at
Jyotirmath in a conspiracy between the Marshy and the
Ashram Cook. That's just absurd and rediculous on it's
face.
jim_flanegin wrote:
Agreed. It is a poisonous and rediculous rumor. Gossip at its
worst. Guru Dev was definitely
On Apr 5, 2006, at 12:36 PM, authfriend wrote:
Just a rumor? Why, our Vaj just told us Maharishi was
a leading suspect!
Don't kill the messenger! Actually it was Sri Swami Rama, a student
of Guru Dev's, who said it. So take it up with his ashes!
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The mantra you mentioned, 'ram',
cardemaister wrote:
AFAIK, that's raama, not ram.
You are mistaken - 'raam' isn't a bija mantra in the tantric tradition
- it's the name of a deified hero of Ayodha. The word 'ram' is used as
a mantra by courtesy only. According to Swami Bhaktivedanta, the
On Apr 5, 2006, at 11:29 AM, sparaig wrote:
It was a shock at the time.
You're easily shocked since succession issues have been all the rage
in religious and spiritual traditions since the dawn of history.
It was the first time I had heard of a Shankaracharya student
poisoning his
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On Apr 5, 2006, at 12:36 PM, authfriend wrote:
Just a rumor? Why, our Vaj just told us Maharishi was
a leading suspect!
Don't kill the messenger! Actually it was Sri Swami Rama, a
student of Guru Dev's, who said it.
Richard J. Williams wrote:
markmeredith wrote:
Most every Indian spiritual group I've investigated uses some
of the bija mantras - not necessarily in an eye-closed effortless
meditation practice, but they seem to be very commonly known.
So, it's a common practice all over India -
anon_astute_ff wrote:
If it is not available to non-initiates how would mahesh
know this information?
By getting himself initiated into the tantric tradition and then
studying with his master for thirteen years?
Does his name contain Saraswati?
Sure, it's Bal, the name given to Mahesh when
Vaj wrote:
Don't kill the messenger! Actually it was Sri Swami Rama, a
student of Guru Dev's, who said it.
There's no evidence that Swami Rama ever said that Mahesh was a
leading suspect in a murder at Jyotirmath. In fact, the rumor was
started by Swami Prakashanand Saraswati, an erstwhile
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anon_astute_ff wrote:
If it is not available to non-initiates how would mahesh
know this information?
By getting himself initiated into the tantric tradition and then
studying with his master for
on 4/5/06 12:30 PM, Richard J. Williams at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
anon_astute_ff wrote:
If it is not available to non-initiates how would mahesh
know this information?
By getting himself initiated into the tantric tradition and then
studying with his master for thirteen years?
Does
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anon_astute_ff wrote:
If it is not available to non-initiates how would mahesh
know this information?
By getting himself initiated into the
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anon_astute_ff wrote:
If it is not available to non-initiates how would mahesh
know this information?
By getting himself
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anon_astute_ff wrote:
If it is not available to non-initiates how would mahesh
know
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On Apr 5, 2006, at 12:36 PM, authfriend wrote:
Just a rumor? Why, our Vaj just told us Maharishi was
a leading suspect!
Don't kill the messenger! Actually it was Sri Swami Rama, a student
of Guru Dev's, who said
Richard J. Williams wrote:
So, you're saying that many other temples in India, not just
Brahmanand's headquarters matha at Sringeri, practice a
meditation similar to TM and that the use of some TM bija
mantras is widespread.
Vaj wrote:
We've discussed your misconceptions on these
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On Apr 5, 2006, at 11:29 AM, sparaig wrote:
It was a shock at the time.
You're easily shocked since succession issues have been all the
rage
in religious and spiritual traditions since the dawn of history.
It
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Richard J. Williams wrote:
markmeredith wrote:
Most every Indian spiritual group I've investigated uses some
of the bija mantras - not necessarily in an eye-closed effortless
meditation practice, but they seem
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anon_astute_ff wrote:
If it is not available to non-initiates how would mahesh
know this information?
By getting himself
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anon_astute_ff wrote:
If it is not available to non-initiates how would mahesh
know this information?
By getting himself initiated into the
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on 4/5/06 12:30 PM, Richard J. Williams at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
anon_astute_ff wrote:
If it is not available to non-initiates how would mahesh
know this information?
By getting himself initiated into the
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On Apr 5, 2006, at 11:29 AM, sparaig wrote:
It was a shock at the time.
You're easily shocked since succession issues have been all the rage
in religious and spiritual traditions since the dawn of history.
It
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On Apr 5, 2006, at 12:36 PM, authfriend wrote:
Just a rumor? Why, our Vaj just told us Maharishi was
a leading suspect!
Don't kill the
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On Apr 5, 2006, at 12:36 PM, authfriend wrote:
Just a rumor? Why, our Vaj
anon_astute_ff wrote:
Would a real Maharishi goes into business?
All the rishis bought and sold cattle - haven't you read the Vedas?
Would one say give me a million to sit in another room and
watch me on TV?
In India millions of people watch Maharishi on TV - not sure if they
watch from
bob_brigante wrote:
Doesn't Bal mean boy - Bal Brahmachari means life celibate,
or so I understood.
You are mistaken, Bob - according to the Cologne Digital Sanskrit
Lexicon, the Sanskrit term 'bal' is an interjection imitating the
sound of a falling body, as in 'falling at the feet of the
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On Apr 5,
sparaig wrote:
You're being rather vague here Judy.
Some people just feel better when they have someone to talk to, I guess.
Was this intentional...?
Well, I think it was her intention to try and hijack the thread - just
another excuse to open her big pie hole and spout off like a
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on 4/5/06 12:30 PM, Richard J. Williams at willytex@ wrote:
anon_astute_ff wrote:
If it is not available to non-initiates how would
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On Apr 5,
authfriend wrote:
Shirley, you jest.
Very impressive!
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bob_brigante wrote:
Doesn't Bal mean boy - Bal Brahmachari means life celibate,
or so I understood.
You are mistaken, Bob - according to the Cologne Digital Sanskrit
Lexicon, the Sanskrit term 'bal'
sparaig wrote:
Regardless, my recollection isthat he was originally called
balraj brahmachari.
You are mistaken - he was originally called 'Mahesh', named after the
Lord Shiva, his family's personal diety.
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Moi, intentionally vague? Shirley, you jest.
+++ Shirley is a jester ?
Whassamatta, you don't think women have a sensayooma?
anon_astute_ff wrote:
Would a real Maharishi goes into business?
Bhagavad-giitaa, VII 16:
catur-vidhaa bhajante maaM janaaH
sukRtino 'rjuna
aarto jijñaasur **arthaarthii**
jñaanii ca bharatarSabha..7.16..
7.16 O Arjuna, foremost of the Bharata dynasty,
four classes of people
of virtuous
Richard, what is your point and could you just say it clearly?
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The Chopra deal presented a fork in the road for the most TMers, since
to public appearances, Chopra was the new Maharishi. Accepting Tony
Nader
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