Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sugar-Coated Poison: Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of spinach...)
--- jim_flanegin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- jim_flanegin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Sounds pretty crazy. So the beef was with SSRS > > > supposedly not being > > > true to his roots a la TM? Or were there > specifics > > > with regard to > > > the sugar coated poison thing? Hell of a label > by > > > the way... > > > > Actually it's a great label. Quite the compliment > from > > MMY in "guru speak." > > So you are indicating MMY meant it to say, it is a > sweet way of > killing off the small self? Yes. SSRS is Brahman that is very sattvic and sweet. You can have a very casual, open relationship with him. Nothing is formal at all. But That infinite consciousness will eat you up though. In my direct experience with MMY and SSRS, their darshan is vast and powerful...infinite Shiva. However, in my experience, SSRS is much more personal and actually knows you on the level of the personality. SSRS also does very specific things for you if you ask him. It's pretty amazing. SSRS has infinite respect and gratitude towards MMY and always speaks highly of him with great love and devotion in his voice. I've also heard him tell some pretty funny ashram stories. > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ~--> > Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make > Yahoo! your home page > http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM > ~-> > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sugar-Coated Poison: Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of spinach...)
--- Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 11/14/05 3:05 PM, Peter at > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > SSRS already teaches a meditation technique called > > Sahja Samadhi Meditation. It's TM as taught in > India > > which is slightly different than the TM taught in > the > > US and europe. > > In what way is it different? I have not learned it. SSRS tells TM people that if they're satisfied with their TM they should continue with that. It's like a TM advanced technique in terms of "where" you think the mantra. If you have this technique, you know what I'm talking about. SSRS seems to put more attention on the Sidarshan Kriya than on meditation. > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ~--> > Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make > Yahoo! your home page > http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM > ~-> > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sugar-Coated Poison: Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of spinach...)
on 11/14/05 3:05 PM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > SSRS already teaches a meditation technique called > Sahja Samadhi Meditation. It's TM as taught in India > which is slightly different than the TM taught in the > US and europe. In what way is it different? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sugar-Coated Poison: Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of spinach...)
SSRS already teaches a meditation technique called Sahja Samadhi Meditation. It's TM as taught in India which is slightly different than the TM taught in the US and europe. A puja is performed to Guru Dev just like in TM. It is TM. This is what makes me doubt the veracity of your friends report. --- Jason Spock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I think that's exactly what he meant. > From: "Peter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 12:19:56 -0800 (PST) > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sugar-Coated > Poison: Earth turns around the sun not the other > way: (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of > spinach...) > > Initiate SSRS follower's into what? TM? > > > > > > > > > - > Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in > one click. __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sugar-Coated Poison: Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of spinach...)
For sure into TM. - Original Message - From: "Peter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 9:19 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sugar-Coated Poison: Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of spinach...) > Initiate SSRS follower's into what? TM? > > --- Jason Spock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> >> >> My new friend here said something intresting, >> >> "Ravishankar would be ready to let me initiate >> "hundreds and thousands of his followers" provided >> a) I got an authorisation from the TM-Movement to do >> so and b) that the TM-Movement stopped to behave >> like a "fanatic muslim organization"- I was >> positively shocked and tried to get in touch with >> the TM-movement. No reply." >> >> >> From: "Peter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 08:32:16 -0800 (PST) >> Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Sugar-Coated Poison: >> Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How >> MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of spinach...) >> >> >> I heard about this incident from Ronnie Newman, >> former TMer who was and still working for SSRS. She >> saw Dean and said hi and asked what he was doing >> there. When Dean tried to speak she told him not to. >> Dean was trying to be rude by calling SSRS, Mr. >> Shankar and denouncing his actions because he did >> not talk about his past association with the TMO. It >> was like when a "Christian" fundamentalist would >> show up at a TM intro lecture and speak with such >> great conviction about how they were right and you >> were wrong. The poor audience is usually left >> completely baffled by this display of spiritual >> arrogance. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> - >> Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in >> one click. > > > > > > __ > Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sugar-Coated Poison: Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of spinach...)
--- Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 11/14/05 10:55 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > > > That referred specifically to the hyperventilation > > (Sudarshan Kriya) technique. MMY is also supposed > to > > have said it was "dangerous." > > > > There's lots of stuff about Shankar on > > alt.meditation.transcendental. Do a search for > > "Ravi Shankar" rather than "SSRS," though. > > Amma also cautions against intense forms of > pranayama. Peter, have there > been instances of people blowing their circuits out > doing this? None that I've heard about. Maybe its the three cycles of long, medium and short that make it easier on the body. > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ~--> > Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make > Yahoo! your home page > http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM > ~-> > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sugar-Coated Poison: Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of spinach...)
Initiate SSRS follower's into what? TM? --- Jason Spock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > My new friend here said something intresting, > > "Ravishankar would be ready to let me initiate > "hundreds and thousands of his followers" provided > a) I got an authorisation from the TM-Movement to do > so and b) that the TM-Movement stopped to behave > like a "fanatic muslim organization"- I was > positively shocked and tried to get in touch with > the TM-movement. No reply." > > > From: "Peter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 08:32:16 -0800 (PST) > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Sugar-Coated Poison: > Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How > MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of spinach...) > > > I heard about this incident from Ronnie Newman, > former TMer who was and still working for SSRS. She > saw Dean and said hi and asked what he was doing > there. When Dean tried to speak she told him not to. > Dean was trying to be rude by calling SSRS, Mr. > Shankar and denouncing his actions because he did > not talk about his past association with the TMO. It > was like when a "Christian" fundamentalist would > show up at a TM intro lecture and speak with such > great conviction about how they were right and you > were wrong. The poor audience is usually left > completely baffled by this display of spiritual > arrogance. > > > > > > > > - > Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in > one click. __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sugar-Coated Poison: Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of spinach...)
on 11/14/05 10:55 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > That referred specifically to the hyperventilation > (Sudarshan Kriya) technique. MMY is also supposed to > have said it was "dangerous." > > There's lots of stuff about Shankar on > alt.meditation.transcendental. Do a search for > "Ravi Shankar" rather than "SSRS," though. Amma also cautions against intense forms of pranayama. Peter, have there been instances of people blowing their circuits out doing this? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sugar-Coated Poison: Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of spinach...)
--- jim_flanegin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Sounds pretty crazy. So the beef was with SSRS > supposedly not being > true to his roots a la TM? Or were there specifics > with regard to > the sugar coated poison thing? Hell of a label by > the way... Actually it's a great label. Quite the compliment from MMY in "guru speak." It was never clear what Dean's beef was. My understanding was they thought SSRS was "stealing" TM people to join his movement or taking advantage of his former association with the TMO to get members. None of this was or is true, of course. SSRS wanted to teach Sudarshan Kriya within the TMO and asked MMY if he could. MMY told him to go out on his own to teach it. He didn't leave MMY for over a year after MMY told him this. > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ~--> > Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make > Yahoo! your home page > http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM > ~-> > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sugar-Coated Poison: Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of spinach...)
--- authfriend <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > --- Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > on 11/14/05 9:23 AM, L B Shriver at > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > "authfriend" > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > snip > > > > >> As noted, Shankar had broken with the TMO > sometime not > > > > >> long prior to 1994, so the "sweet poison" > warning > > > > >> would have had to have been issued at some > point in > > > > >> between then and 1998. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1993 at the DC course. > > > > > > > > Around that time, my friend Dean Draznin was > > > > appointed or volunteered to > > > > walk into a Ravi Shankar meeting in the DC > area and > > > > read a prepared > > > > statement, written either by Maharishi or some > TMO > > > > higher up (I can check > > > > with Dean if anyone really wants to know). > That > > > > statement included the > > > > phrase that SSRS was offering people > "sugar-coated > > > > poison". > > > > > > I heard about this incident from Ronnie Newman, > former > > > TMer who was and still working for SSRS. She saw > Dean > > > and said hi and asked what he was doing there. > When > > > Dean tried to speak she told him not to. Dean > was > > > trying to be rude by calling SSRS, Mr. Shankar > and > > > denouncing his actions because he did not talk > about > > > his past association with the TMO. It was like > when a > > > "Christian" fundamentalist would show up at a TM > intro > > > lecture and speak with such great conviction > about how > > > they were right and you were wrong. The poor > audience > > > is usually left completely baffled by this > display of > > > spiritual arrogance. > > > > Sounds pretty crazy. So the beef was with SSRS > supposedly not being > > true to his roots a la TM? Or were there specifics > with regard to > > the sugar coated poison thing? Hell of a label by > the way... > > That referred specifically to the hyperventilation > (Sudarshan Kriya) technique. MMY is also supposed > to > have said it was "dangerous." > > There's lots of stuff about Shankar on > alt.meditation.transcendental. Do a search for > "Ravi Shankar" rather than "SSRS," though. I've been doing Sudarshan Kriya regularly along with my TM/TM-sidhi program for 15 years now. I really enjoy the technique. It pushes prana into your body and purifies it. Some TMer's like it and some can't stand it. What I like about the Art of Living organization is SSRS and the contact I've had with him. It took me a while to let go around him because I was so used to the formality of MMY and the TMO. But he's the bee's knees! > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ~--> > Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make > Yahoo! your home page > http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM > ~-> > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
