Re: [FairfieldLife] Ice Krispies

[Richard J. Williams]

You might try getting your messages via email using Thunderbird; It's 
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If, you're serious about posting to a discussion group, using these 
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EditPad Lite - soft32:
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Mozilla Thunderbird:
http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/

On 12/14/2013 2:31 PM, anartax...@yahoo.com wrote:


It is really the Neo interface. I lose messages all the time. After 
you hit reply, the Reply button is still there, up at the top, and the 
Send button down at a location near the bottom where it is less likely 
to be seen, so it is easy to accidentally hit Reply and erase the 
message. After all replying is what one is doing. I think the Yahoo 
team should gray out the reply button after you first hit it, or 
replace it with Send. There are other stupid ways to destroy a nice 
long message such as closing the browser rather than minimising it if 
you want to use another program whose window is open underneath.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote:

Oh, shoot, Emily, I loved your comments and was almost finished with a 
response, but I stupidly lost it. I'm not up to recreating it right 
now; I'll tackle it later today or this evening sometime. Grr. 
HATE it when that happens.



Emily wrote:


 Judy, comments inserted below (I hope).  Tonight was more listening 
pleasure.  Thank you. 









---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote:

Thank you! I hope he's still in good health.


I've never quite understood Pollini's reputation in some
circles for coolness. I like his straightforwardness and
lack of sentimentality. He lets you dig the music on your--and
its--own terms without, as it were, telling you how to feel
about it, but his brilliant technique brings out everything
the composer put into it. (IMHO.)


Change of pace, a movement from a simple Bach keyboard piece
that never fails to lift my spirits:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-GnAGwjXnM


Yep, I've bookmarked it.


Schubert's last piano sonata, composed shortly before his
death. This (the first movement) takes me places:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ok9tofNmqNY


Faboulous, and I love the video of Alfred Brendal playing it -
view from the side; he is so immersed *in* the piece.  From
Wikipedia on Schubert [which you probably know, I'm guessing :)]


The works of his last two years reveal a composer
increasingly meditating on the darker side of the human psyche
and human relationships, and with a deeper sense of spiritual
awareness and conception of the 'beyond'.


Beethoven's Waldstein piano sonata (Pollini again):


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-OM70p3Jd0


My father used to play this at home (or try to play it; he was
a talented amateur, but this is a tough piece--he enjoyed the
challenge, would practice it for hours).


Love that - what a dad.  Yes, this is some piece. Pollini! The
feeling that comes through the intensity and precision of what
he plays is astounding.  I just re-read the article; this is
what I am trying to say: his uncanny ability to manipulate
dynamics, as well as a deft rhythmic sense - Mr. Pollini
thinks a lot about sound. He does bring out the inner
quality of the music. I liked what Pollini said here:


Certainly I'm not for a cool approach to music. This would
limit the power of a musical creation. Objectivity I can
understand in a certain way. I want the music to speak for
itself, but music played coolly is not enough. It would be
wrong to be detached.

Interestingly, compare how Gilels interprets/plays this.  This
is part 3 and corresponds to 16 minutes into the link you
posted. Tonight, I like Pollini's version better.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6Yn96G16Og

In my stash of some classical CD's inherited from my
grandparents, I found Dietrich Fischer-Dieskau and his
faithful accompanist, Hartmut Holl.  I am going to listen to
them all; it is time. Accompanists don't get the credit they
deserve.  This transports me too. Smile.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2Dw9tFpZAc

“In the early 1980s Holl was taken on as 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ice Krispies

[authfriend]

Finally...
 

   Schubert's last piano sonata, composed shortly before his death. 
   This (the first movement) takes me places:
   
 URL snipped
 
  Faboulous, and I love the video of Alfred Brendal playing it - 
  view from the side; he is so immersed *in* the piece.
 

 Yes, he's *inside* the piece, or it's inside him. He isn't playing 
 it; rather, it's coming out of him through his fingers into the 
 piano. (I love his formality and dignity; he doesn't weave around 
 and mug to show how moved he is by the music as some artists
 tend to do.)
 

   From 
  Wikipedia on Schubert [which you probably know, I'm guessing :)]
 
  The works of his last two years reveal a composer increasingly 
  meditating on the darker side of the human psyche and human 
  relationships, and with a deeper sense of spiritual awareness and 
  conception of the 'beyond'.
 

 I wonder whether he knew when he wrote this that he was dying. He
 was quite ill, so he must have been thinking about mortality. Such 
 an incredible range of reflections, one blending into the next and
 all illuminating each other.
 

   Beethoven's Waldstein piano sonata (Pollini again):
  
 URL snipped
   
   My father used to play this at home (or try to play it; he was a 
   talented amateur, but this is a tough piece--he enjoyed the 

   challenge, would practice it for hours).

 
  Love that - what a dad.  Yes, this is some piece. Pollini! The 
  feeling that comes through the intensity and precision of what he 
  plays is astounding.  I just re-read the article; this is what I 
  am trying to say: his uncanny ability to manipulate dynamics, as 
  well as a deft rhythmic sense - Mr. Pollini thinks a lot about 
  sound. He does bring out the inner quality of the music. I 
  liked what Pollini said here:
 
  Certainly I'm not for a cool approach to music. This would limit 
  the power of a musical creation. Objectivity I can understand in a 
  certain way. I want the music to speak for itself, but music 
  played coolly is not enough. It would be wrong to be detached.
 

 I have the sneaking suspicion that some commentators are used to 
 a goodly dose of sentimentality, and he just has too much artistic 
 integrity to give it to them.
 

  Interestingly, compare how Gilels interprets/plays this.  This is 
  part 3 and corresponds to 16 minutes into the link you posted. 
  Tonight, I like Pollini's version better.  
 
 URL snipped
 

 Fascinating contrast. Jeez, they're both so good. Gilels seems to 
 take the more lyrical parts at face value, whereas Pollini infuses 
 them with the same tension as the more energetic parts; won't give
 us a rest. That makes more sense to me.
 

  In my stash of some classical CD's inherited from my grandparents, 
  I found Dietrich Fischer-Dieskau and his faithful accompanist, 
  Hartmut Holl.  I am going to listen to them all; it is time.
 

 I don't mean to go on about my father; I've told this story here 
 before (I think to Nabby, also a Lieder aficionado), but briefly:
 My father taught a course in art song at Columbia many decades ago.
 A few times a year, he'd invite the students over for an evening of
 Lieder. The wife of a colleague in the German Department was a very 
 talented singer; she could have been a professional but gave it up 
 when she had kids (this was in the late '40s). My father accompanied 
 her in song cycles like Shubert's Die Schoene Mullerin and 
 Schumann's Frauenliebe und Leben. My bedroom was right next to the 
 living room, so I'd go to sleep listening.
 

  Accompanists don't get the credit they deserve.  This transports 
  me too. Smile.  
 
 URL snipped
 

 Gorgeous. I'm not all that familiar with Mendelssohn's songs; I'll 
 have to fix that.
 

 Nor have I ever paid as much attention as I should to the artistry of 
 the accompanists (including my father!).
 

  “In the early 1980s Holl was taken on as official accompanist for 
  the famous baritone Dietrich Fischer-Dieskau, the most recorded 
  singer in history, with over one thousand LP-length recordings to 
  his credit. For 14 years, Holl accompanied Fischer-Dieskau in what 
  many see now as an Indian summer of Fischer-Dieskau’s long career. 
  He was sometimes tempted to perform and record with pianists who 
  were not full masters of the accompanist’s art, like Alfred 
  Brendel, Vladimir Ashkenazy, and most disastrously Vladimir 
  Horowitz. But for the most part, it was Holl’s combination of 
  musical sensitivity with a capacity for drama and spiky 
  originality when the song called for it, that grace the baritone’s 
  last recordings.” - Valerie Kampmeier
 

 Here's a couple of songs from Brahms's Magelone-Lieder, Fischer- 
 Dieskau with Barenboim (which were also performed on those Lieder 
 evenings in our apartment). I tried to listen more closely to the 
 accompaniment and found I didn't like Barenboim's playing much, but 
 couldn't find any versions with Holl. In any case, I think you'll 
 like the music. Some 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ice Krispies

[emilymaenot]

Judy, thank you!  Yes, this was fun.  Of the two Fischer-Dieskau pieces, I 
prefer the second, although the first is fascinating with respect to the number 
of modulations - gives the ear a little jolt and says pay attention. (I had 
to look that word up to know what to listen for.  Smile.)  I didn't care for 
the accompaniment much either in the first piece; didn't bring out the song 
properly, but the second accompaniment was wonderful. IMO, German, as a 
language, is best sung.  
 

 I am thrilled you included more piano and will listen to them all today (it 
will help prepare me for a visit tonight with *my* father, who could probably 
have learned a lot from your father.)  Em

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ice Krispies

[authfriend]

The second is my favorite of the whole cycle. So lovely and warm and yearning.
 

 You know, I listened to the first one again, and I have to say I don't think 
Fischer-Dieskau was in good voice when he recorded it. It's terrifically 
difficult to sing, though, so angular. Maybe it's really not right for his 
vocal range, too high in spots. I do love all those key changes, and the main 
theme is beautiful.
 

 Enjoy the other pieces, and your father's visit.
 
Emily wrote:
  Judy, thank you!  Yes, this was fun.  Of the two Fischer-Dieskau pieces, I 
prefer the second, although the first is fascinating with respect to the number 
of modulations - gives the ear a little jolt and says pay attention. (I had 
to look that word up to know what to listen for.  Smile.)  I didn't care for 
the accompaniment much either in the first piece; didn't bring out the song 
properly, but the second accompaniment was wonderful. IMO, German, as a 
language, is best sung.  

 

 I am thrilled you included more piano and will listen to them all today (it 
will help prepare me for a visit tonight with *my* father, who could probably 
have learned a lot from your father.)  Em 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ice Krispies

[Share Long]

Yay, Emily and Judy, these kind of exchanges are like a mini music appreciation 
class for me. Now I have somewhat of an idea of how to listen to classical 
music, what to listen for. Thanks.





On Saturday, December 14, 2013 1:39 AM, emilymae...@yahoo.com 
emilymae...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  



Judy, comments inserted below (I hope).  Tonight was more listening pleasure.  
Thank you.  







---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote:


Thank you! I hope he's still in good health.

I've never quite understood Pollini's reputation in some circles for 
coolness. I like his straightforwardness and lack of sentimentality. He lets 
you dig the music on your--and its--own terms without, as it were, telling you 
how to feel about it, but his brilliant technique brings out everything the 
composer put into it. (IMHO.)

Change of pace, a movement from a simple Bach keyboard piece that never fails 
to lift my spirits:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-GnAGwjXnM


Yep, I've bookmarked it. 

Schubert's last piano sonata, composed shortly before his death. This (the 
first movement) takes me places:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ok9tofNmqNY


Faboulous, and I love the video of Alfred Brendal playing it - view from the 
side; he is so immersed *in* the piece.  From Wikipedia on Schubert [which you 
probably know, I'm guessing :)]

The works of his last two years reveal a composer increasingly meditating on 
the darker side of the human psyche and human relationships, and with a deeper 
sense of spiritual awareness and conception of the 'beyond'. 

Beethoven's Waldstein piano sonata (Pollini again):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-OM70p3Jd0


My father used to play this at home (or try to play it; he was a talented 
amateur, but this is a tough piece--he enjoyed the challenge, would practice it 
for hours).


Love that - what a dad.  Yes, this is some piece. Pollini! The feeling that 
comes through the intensity and precision of what he plays is astounding.  I 
just re-read the article; this is what I am trying to say: his uncanny ability 
to manipulate dynamics, as well as a deft rhythmic sense - Mr. Pollini thinks a 
lot about sound. He does bring out the inner quality of the music. I liked 
what Pollini said here:

Certainly I'm not for a cool approach to music. This would limit the power of 
a musical creation. Objectivity I can understand in a certain way. I want the 
music to speak for itself, but music played coolly is not enough. It would be 
wrong to be detached.
Interestingly, compare how Gilels interprets/plays this.  This is part 3 and 
corresponds to 16 minutes into the link you posted. Tonight, I like Pollini's 
version better.  
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6Yn96G16Og

In my stash of some classical CD's inherited from my grandparents, I found 
Dietrich Fischer-Dieskau and his faithful accompanist, Hartmut Holl.  I am 
going to listen to them all; it is time. Accompanists don't get the credit they 
deserve.  This transports me too. Smile.  
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2Dw9tFpZAc

“In the early 1980s Holl was taken on as official accompanist for the famous 
baritone Dietrich Fischer-Dieskau, the most recorded singer in history, with 
over one thousand LP-length recordings to his credit. For 14 years, Holl 
accompanied Fischer-Dieskau in what many see now as an Indian summer of 
Fischer-Dieskau’s long career. He was sometimes tempted to perform and record 
with pianists who were not full masters of the accompanist’s art, like Alfred 
Brendel, Vladimir Ashkenazy, and most disastrously Vladimir Horowitz. But for 
the most part, it was Holl’s combination of musical sensitivity with a capacity 
for drama and spiky originality when the song called for it, that grace the 
baritone’s last recordings.” - Valerie Kampmeier






Emily wrote:


 Thank you Judy.  This is a good article on Pollini in the WSJ, April 2013.  


http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424127887324874204578440571761520316

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ice Krispies

[authfriend]

Oh, shoot, Emily, I loved your comments and was almost finished with a 
response, but I stupidly lost it. I'm not up to recreating it right now; I'll 
tackle it later today or this evening sometime. Grr. HATE it when that 
happens.
 
Emily wrote:
 

  Judy, comments inserted below (I hope).  Tonight was more listening 
pleasure.  Thank you. 
 

 

 

 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
wrote:

 Thank you! I hope he's still in good health.
 

 I've never quite understood Pollini's reputation in some circles for 
coolness. I like his straightforwardness and lack of sentimentality. He lets 
you dig the music on your--and its--own terms without, as it were, telling you 
how to feel about it, but his brilliant technique brings out everything the 
composer put into it. (IMHO.)
 

 Change of pace, a movement from a simple Bach keyboard piece that never fails 
to lift my spirits:
 

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-GnAGwjXnM 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-GnAGwjXnM

 

 Yep, I've bookmarked it. 
 

 Schubert's last piano sonata, composed shortly before his death. This (the 
first movement) takes me places:
 

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ok9tofNmqNY 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ok9tofNmqNY

 

 Faboulous, and I love the video of Alfred Brendal playing it - view from the 
side; he is so immersed *in* the piece.  From Wikipedia on Schubert [which you 
probably know, I'm guessing :)]
 

 The works of his last two years reveal a composer increasingly meditating on 
the darker side of the human psyche and human relationships, and with a deeper 
sense of spiritual awareness and conception of the 'beyond'. 
 

 Beethoven's Waldstein piano sonata (Pollini again):
 

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-OM70p3Jd0 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-OM70p3Jd0

 

 My father used to play this at home (or try to play it; he was a talented 
amateur, but this is a tough piece--he enjoyed the challenge, would practice it 
for hours).

 

 Love that - what a dad.  Yes, this is some piece. Pollini! The feeling that 
comes through the intensity and precision of what he plays is astounding.  I 
just re-read the article; this is what I am trying to say: his uncanny ability 
to manipulate dynamics, as well as a deft rhythmic sense - Mr. Pollini thinks a 
lot about sound. He does bring out the inner quality of the music. I liked 
what Pollini said here:
 

 Certainly I'm not for a cool approach to music. This would limit the power of 
a musical creation. Objectivity I can understand in a certain way. I want the 
music to speak for itself, but music played coolly is not enough. It would be 
wrong to be detached.
 Interestingly, compare how Gilels interprets/plays this.  This is part 3 and 
corresponds to 16 minutes into the link you posted. Tonight, I like Pollini's 
version better.  
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6Yn96G16Og 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6Yn96G16Og

 In my stash of some classical CD's inherited from my grandparents, I found 
Dietrich Fischer-Dieskau and his faithful accompanist, Hartmut Holl.  I am 
going to listen to them all; it is time. Accompanists don't get the credit they 
deserve.  This transports me too. Smile.  
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2Dw9tFpZAc 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2Dw9tFpZAc

 “In the early 1980s Holl was taken on as official accompanist for the famous 
baritone Dietrich Fischer-Dieskau, the most recorded singer in history, with 
over one thousand LP-length recordings to his credit. For 14 years, Holl 
accompanied Fischer-Dieskau in what many see now as an Indian summer of 
Fischer-Dieskau’s long career. He was sometimes tempted to perform and record 
with pianists who were not full masters of the accompanist’s art, like Alfred 
Brendel, Vladimir Ashkenazy, and most disastrously Vladimir Horowitz. But for 
the most part, it was Holl’s combination of musical sensitivity with a capacity 
for drama and spiky originality when the song called for it, that grace the 
baritone’s last recordings.” - Valerie Kampmeier

 

 

 

 

 

 Emily wrote:
 
  Thank you Judy.  This is a good article on Pollini in the WSJ, April 2013.  

 

 
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424127887324874204578440571761520316 
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424127887324874204578440571761520316

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ice Krispies

[emilymaenot]

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote:

 Oh, shoot, Emily, I loved your comments and was almost finished with a 
response, but I stupidly lost it. I'm not up to recreating it right now; I'll 
tackle it later today or this evening sometime. Grr. HATE it when that 
happens.
 

 
 I hate it when this happens too.  Because I don't get emails any longer, I 
have taken to copying and pasting posts I want to maybe reply to and/or read 
later (like the one between you and Bob) to word documents and then, if 
replying, pasting them back in.  (I did this with my why am I here post 
because it was s lng and the likelihood I would click out and lose it 
was high, tabs or no tabs.)  Have a good day.
 

 
Emily wrote:
 

  Judy, comments inserted below (I hope).  Tonight was more listening 
pleasure.  Thank you. 
 

 

 

 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
wrote:

 Thank you! I hope he's still in good health.
 

 I've never quite understood Pollini's reputation in some circles for 
coolness. I like his straightforwardness and lack of sentimentality. He lets 
you dig the music on your--and its--own terms without, as it were, telling you 
how to feel about it, but his brilliant technique brings out everything the 
composer put into it. (IMHO.)
 

 Change of pace, a movement from a simple Bach keyboard piece that never fails 
to lift my spirits:
 

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-GnAGwjXnM 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-GnAGwjXnM

 

 Yep, I've bookmarked it. 
 

 Schubert's last piano sonata, composed shortly before his death. This (the 
first movement) takes me places:
 

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ok9tofNmqNY 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ok9tofNmqNY

 

 Faboulous, and I love the video of Alfred Brendal playing it - view from the 
side; he is so immersed *in* the piece.  From Wikipedia on Schubert [which you 
probably know, I'm guessing :)]
 

 The works of his last two years reveal a composer increasingly meditating on 
the darker side of the human psyche and human relationships, and with a deeper 
sense of spiritual awareness and conception of the 'beyond'. 
 

 Beethoven's Waldstein piano sonata (Pollini again):
 

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-OM70p3Jd0 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-OM70p3Jd0

 

 My father used to play this at home (or try to play it; he was a talented 
amateur, but this is a tough piece--he enjoyed the challenge, would practice it 
for hours).

 

 Love that - what a dad.  Yes, this is some piece. Pollini! The feeling that 
comes through the intensity and precision of what he plays is astounding.  I 
just re-read the article; this is what I am trying to say: his uncanny ability 
to manipulate dynamics, as well as a deft rhythmic sense - Mr. Pollini thinks a 
lot about sound. He does bring out the inner quality of the music. I liked 
what Pollini said here:
 

 Certainly I'm not for a cool approach to music. This would limit the power of 
a musical creation. Objectivity I can understand in a certain way. I want the 
music to speak for itself, but music played coolly is not enough. It would be 
wrong to be detached.
 Interestingly, compare how Gilels interprets/plays this.  This is part 3 and 
corresponds to 16 minutes into the link you posted. Tonight, I like Pollini's 
version better.  
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6Yn96G16Og 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6Yn96G16Og

 In my stash of some classical CD's inherited from my grandparents, I found 
Dietrich Fischer-Dieskau and his faithful accompanist, Hartmut Holl.  I am 
going to listen to them all; it is time. Accompanists don't get the credit they 
deserve.  This transports me too. Smile.  
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2Dw9tFpZAc 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2Dw9tFpZAc

 “In the early 1980s Holl was taken on as official accompanist for the famous 
baritone Dietrich Fischer-Dieskau, the most recorded singer in history, with 
over one thousand LP-length recordings to his credit. For 14 years, Holl 
accompanied Fischer-Dieskau in what many see now as an Indian summer of 
Fischer-Dieskau’s long career. He was sometimes tempted to perform and record 
with pianists who were not full masters of the accompanist’s art, like Alfred 
Brendel, Vladimir Ashkenazy, and most disastrously Vladimir Horowitz. But for 
the most part, it was Holl’s combination of musical sensitivity with a capacity 
for drama and spiky originality when the song called for it, that grace the 
baritone’s last recordings.” - Valerie Kampmeier

 

 

 

 

 

 Emily wrote:
 
  Thank you Judy.  This is a good article on Pollini in the WSJ, April 2013.  

 

 
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424127887324874204578440571761520316 
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424127887324874204578440571761520316

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ice Krispies

[anartaxius]

It is really the Neo interface. I lose messages all the time. After you hit 
reply, the Reply button is still there, up at the top, and the Send button down 
at a location near the bottom where it is less likely to be seen, so it is easy 
to accidentally hit Reply and erase the message. After all replying is what one 
is doing. I think the Yahoo team should gray out the reply button after you 
first hit it, or replace it with Send. There are other stupid ways to destroy a 
nice long message such as closing the browser rather than minimising it if you 
want to use another program whose window is open underneath. 
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote:

 Oh, shoot, Emily, I loved your comments and was almost finished with a 
response, but I stupidly lost it. I'm not up to recreating it right now; I'll 
tackle it later today or this evening sometime. Grr. HATE it when that 
happens.
 
Emily wrote:
 

  Judy, comments inserted below (I hope).  Tonight was more listening 
pleasure.  Thank you. 
 

 

 

 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
wrote:

 Thank you! I hope he's still in good health.
 

 I've never quite understood Pollini's reputation in some circles for 
coolness. I like his straightforwardness and lack of sentimentality. He lets 
you dig the music on your--and its--own terms without, as it were, telling you 
how to feel about it, but his brilliant technique brings out everything the 
composer put into it. (IMHO.)
 

 Change of pace, a movement from a simple Bach keyboard piece that never fails 
to lift my spirits:
 

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-GnAGwjXnM 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-GnAGwjXnM

 

 Yep, I've bookmarked it. 
 

 Schubert's last piano sonata, composed shortly before his death. This (the 
first movement) takes me places:
 

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ok9tofNmqNY 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ok9tofNmqNY

 

 Faboulous, and I love the video of Alfred Brendal playing it - view from the 
side; he is so immersed *in* the piece.  From Wikipedia on Schubert [which you 
probably know, I'm guessing :)]
 

 The works of his last two years reveal a composer increasingly meditating on 
the darker side of the human psyche and human relationships, and with a deeper 
sense of spiritual awareness and conception of the 'beyond'. 
 

 Beethoven's Waldstein piano sonata (Pollini again):
 

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-OM70p3Jd0 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-OM70p3Jd0

 

 My father used to play this at home (or try to play it; he was a talented 
amateur, but this is a tough piece--he enjoyed the challenge, would practice it 
for hours).

 

 Love that - what a dad.  Yes, this is some piece. Pollini! The feeling that 
comes through the intensity and precision of what he plays is astounding.  I 
just re-read the article; this is what I am trying to say: his uncanny ability 
to manipulate dynamics, as well as a deft rhythmic sense - Mr. Pollini thinks a 
lot about sound. He does bring out the inner quality of the music. I liked 
what Pollini said here:
 

 Certainly I'm not for a cool approach to music. This would limit the power of 
a musical creation. Objectivity I can understand in a certain way. I want the 
music to speak for itself, but music played coolly is not enough. It would be 
wrong to be detached.
 Interestingly, compare how Gilels interprets/plays this.  This is part 3 and 
corresponds to 16 minutes into the link you posted. Tonight, I like Pollini's 
version better.  
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6Yn96G16Og 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6Yn96G16Og

 In my stash of some classical CD's inherited from my grandparents, I found 
Dietrich Fischer-Dieskau and his faithful accompanist, Hartmut Holl.  I am 
going to listen to them all; it is time. Accompanists don't get the credit they 
deserve.  This transports me too. Smile.  
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2Dw9tFpZAc 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2Dw9tFpZAc

 “In the early 1980s Holl was taken on as official accompanist for the famous 
baritone Dietrich Fischer-Dieskau, the most recorded singer in history, with 
over one thousand LP-length recordings to his credit. For 14 years, Holl 
accompanied Fischer-Dieskau in what many see now as an Indian summer of 
Fischer-Dieskau’s long career. He was sometimes tempted to perform and record 
with pianists who were not full masters of the accompanist’s art, like Alfred 
Brendel, Vladimir Ashkenazy, and most disastrously Vladimir Horowitz. But for 
the most part, it was Holl’s combination of musical sensitivity with a capacity 
for drama and spiky originality when the song called for it, that grace the 
baritone’s last recordings.” - Valerie Kampmeier

 

 

 

 

 

 Emily wrote:
 
  Thank you Judy.  This is a good article on Pollini in the WSJ, April 2013.  

 

 
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424127887324874204578440571761520316 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ice Krispies

[authfriend]

No, it really wasn't the Neo interface. If it were, I'd have said so.
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ice Krispies

[Share Long]

Thanks, Emily, will do. I do love the watery quality of piano music. The movie, 
The Piano displayed that on a few levels. What an amazing movie that was! 
Harvey Keitel (spoiler alert) winning out over Sam Neill as the romantic hero! 

I would say drums have an earthy or fiery quality. Of course the wind 
instruments are windy. I'm not sure where to place violins, my least favorite 
instrument. Which is not to say it can't be beautiful.





On Friday, December 13, 2013 12:11 AM, emilymae...@yahoo.com 
emilymae...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  
Judy, that Pollini Chopin Piano Sonata is PHENOMENAL! HEAVENLY!  It nurtures 
the soul.  I am particularly fond of classical piano, if you have other 
recommendations.  Yes, I'm asking and I'm not proud.  Share, seriously, you 
should check it out - the third link that Judy posted.  They are all great, but 
if you like piano

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ice Krispies

[Share Long]

Judy, yeah, I was rushing last night to get out the idea. Maybe will expand on 
it today. I'm definitely not a night person! And I don't think I'll ever be a 
*long* poster ha ha.





On Thursday, December 12, 2013 10:42 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com 
authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  
Yeah, that's a complete non sequitur in this context.

Not everything that comes to mind is worth saying. Not everything that comes 
to mind makes sense. It pays to think about it before you put it out there for 
others to see.

Share fumbled:


 Judy, what comes to mind is the To be or not to be speech in Hamlet. It can 
be considered as a creation in and of itself. But certainly it is best 
considered in context of the entire play. 





On Thursday, December 12, 2013 8:27 PM, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:
 
  
Judy and noozguru, I think music for a movie is simply another art form, best 
appreciated on its own merits rather than compared to another context of 
musical creation.  When I think of some of the wonderful music I've encountered 
in movies, I only feel gratitude to those who created it. One of the first 
movies to bring my attention to its score was Chariots of Fire with its 
compositions by Vangelis, who also wrote the haunting music for Year of Living 
Dangerously. Also the music by Maurice Jarre in Peter Weir's Witness. I could 
go on and on but only want to honor the composers who wrote such incredible 
works even though they knew their sounds might play second fiddle to the 
visuals.  





On Thursday, December 12, 2013 6:36 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote:
 
  
Some original movie and TV scores are excellent, worth listening to as music 
for its own sake. Others...not so much. For that matter, there's plenty of 
real popular music as well (e.g., the Beatles). And some musicals have had 
excellent music (much of Rodgers and Hammerstein, also Loesser's Guys and 
Dolls). The song My Boy Bill from RH's Carousel is a full-blown operatic 
aria (performed brilliantly by Gordon MacRae).

My use of the term real music had to do with quality, not genre or medium 
snobbery.

I've been immersed in good classical music (i.e., serious music, not restricted 
to the classical period) literally since I was in the cradle, FWIW. My father, 
himself an amateur musician, was a musical scholar who taught college courses 
in various types of serious music. My sister sang with the Boston Symphony 
Chorus. I've sung with good amateur choruses as well. I'm not exactly a 
neophyte, as you'd know if you listened to the videos I linked to. It's all 
accessible, but I doubt any of it is on any orchestra's top 40 list.

I'm not sure what the background of serious composers has to do with the 
appreciation of their music qua music. Wagner was an anti-Semite. Bach was a 
pain in the butt. Schumann was bipolar and died in a mental asylum. So what? 
Their music is transcendent. So is Mozart's. As far as Amadeus is concerned, it 
has quite a few historical inaccuracies; Mozart was not the inane fop portrayed 
in the movie (or the stage play). But it wouldn't matter if he were.

And BTW, while sponsorship was a factor as late as Mozart's day, its importance 
lessened pretty quickly after that; composers of the Romantic period generally 
didn't have to cater to aristocrats for their income (OTOH, a lot of them lived 
in straitened circumstances).

Yes, it's scandalous that orchestras need to put on so many top-40 type 
concerts in order to have sufficient funding. The neglect of music education in 
public schools is appalling.

I'm of two minds about the use of existing serious music in films. On one hand, 
at least moviegoers get some exposure to it. On the other, it imposes a kind of 
sentimentality (positive and/or negative) on the music that is not native to it 
and that can impede genuine appreciation. The ultimate horrible example, for 
me, is the use of Ride of the Valkyries as background for the atrocities 
portrayed in Apocalypse Now. It's almost impossible to hear the music without 
the mental intrusion of images of helicopters slaughtering innocent Vietnamese 
civilians. Yes, both have to do with battles, but of very different types--one 
mythical and gloriously heroic, the other utterly depraved.

I don't believe any of the music for Zeffirelli's Romeo and Juliet was genuine 
Baroque music, by the way, as opposed to pseudo-Baroque pieces composed for 
the movie. The only previously existing serious music used in the film, as far 
as I'm aware, is from the Liebestod from Wagner's Tristan und Isolde, written 
in the 1850s.

Bhairitu wrote:


  Amusing.  I was an honors music student 
at a major university with composition as my strength.  What was interesting 
was learning how these guys actually came up with their music.  There even are 
some pieces that are adaptations of bar songs of the composer's day.

There really is no venue for serious composers in this age but
  writing movie scores and for TV is one for them.  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ice Krispies

[authfriend]

Pollini is just dazzling, isn't he? He's kind of a strange cat with a peculiar 
performance history if you check out his bio on Wikipedia (and he may be very 
ill; he keeps canceling performances). I was never that fond of Chopin--too 
tinkly!--until my sister turned me on to Pollini. It was a revelation.
 

 My familiarity with the piano literature is rather spotty, but I'll see what 
else I can come up with for you. Give me a little time to look around.
 
Emily wrote:

  Judy, that Pollini Chopin Piano Sonata is PHENOMENAL! HEAVENLY!  It 
nurtures the soul.  I am particularly fond of classical piano, if you have 
other recommendations.  Yes, I'm asking and I'm not proud.  Share, seriously, 
you should check it out - the third link that Judy posted.  They are all great, 
but if you like piano
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ice Krispies

[authfriend]

I can hardly wait.
 
Share excuses herself:

  Judy, yeah, I was rushing last night to get out the idea. Maybe will expand 
on it today. I'm definitely not a night person! And I don't think I'll ever be 
a *long* poster ha ha. 
 

 
 
 On Thursday, December 12, 2013 10:42 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... 
wrote:
 
   Yeah, that's a complete non sequitur in this context.
 

 Not everything that comes to mind is worth saying. Not everything that 
comes to mind makes sense. It pays to think about it before you put it out 
there for others to see.
 
Share fumbled:

  Judy, what comes to mind is the To be or not to be speech in Hamlet. It 
can be considered as a creation in and of itself. But certainly it is best 
considered in context of the entire play. 
 

 
 
 On Thursday, December 12, 2013 8:27 PM, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:
 
   Judy and noozguru, I think music for a movie is simply another art form, 
best appreciated on its own merits rather than compared to another context of 
musical creation.  When I think of some of the wonderful music I've encountered 
in movies, I only feel gratitude to those who created it. One of the first 
movies to bring my attention to its score was Chariots of Fire with its 
compositions by Vangelis, who also wrote the haunting music for Year of Living 
Dangerously. Also the music by Maurice Jarre in Peter Weir's Witness. I could 
go on and on but only want to honor the composers who wrote such incredible 
works even though they knew their sounds might play second fiddle to the 
visuals.  
 

 
 
 On Thursday, December 12, 2013 6:36 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... 
wrote:
 
   Some original movie and TV scores are excellent, worth listening to as music 
for its own sake. Others...not so much. For that matter, there's plenty of 
real popular music as well (e.g., the Beatles). And some musicals have had 
excellent music (much of Rodgers and Hammerstein, also Loesser's Guys and 
Dolls). The song My Boy Bill from RH's Carousel is a full-blown operatic 
aria (performed brilliantly by Gordon MacRae).
 

 My use of the term real music had to do with quality, not genre or medium 
snobbery.
 

 I've been immersed in good classical music (i.e., serious music, not 
restricted to the classical period) literally since I was in the cradle, FWIW. 
My father, himself an amateur musician, was a musical scholar who taught 
college courses in various types of serious music. My sister sang with the 
Boston Symphony Chorus. I've sung with good amateur choruses as well. I'm not 
exactly a neophyte, as you'd know if you listened to the videos I linked to. 
It's all accessible, but I doubt any of it is on any orchestra's top 40 list.
 

 I'm not sure what the background of serious composers has to do with the 
appreciation of their music qua music. Wagner was an anti-Semite. Bach was a 
pain in the butt. Schumann was bipolar and died in a mental asylum. So what? 
Their music is transcendent. So is Mozart's. As far as Amadeus is concerned, it 
has quite a few historical inaccuracies; Mozart was not the inane fop portrayed 
in the movie (or the stage play). But it wouldn't matter if he were.
 

 And BTW, while sponsorship was a factor as late as Mozart's day, its 
importance lessened pretty quickly after that; composers of the Romantic period 
generally didn't have to cater to aristocrats for their income (OTOH, a lot of 
them lived in straitened circumstances).
 

 Yes, it's scandalous that orchestras need to put on so many top-40 type 
concerts in order to have sufficient funding. The neglect of music education in 
public schools is appalling.
 

 I'm of two minds about the use of existing serious music in films. On one 
hand, at least moviegoers get some exposure to it. On the other, it imposes a 
kind of sentimentality (positive and/or negative) on the music that is not 
native to it and that can impede genuine appreciation. The ultimate horrible 
example, for me, is the use of Ride of the Valkyries as background for the 
atrocities portrayed in Apocalypse Now. It's almost impossible to hear the 
music without the mental intrusion of images of helicopters slaughtering 
innocent Vietnamese civilians. Yes, both have to do with battles, but of very 
different types--one mythical and gloriously heroic, the other utterly depraved.
 

 I don't believe any of the music for Zeffirelli's Romeo and Juliet was genuine 
Baroque music, by the way, as opposed to pseudo-Baroque pieces composed for 
the movie. The only previously existing serious music used in the film, as far 
as I'm aware, is from the Liebestod from Wagner's Tristan und Isolde, written 
in the 1850s.
 
Bhairitu wrote:

   Amusing.  I was an honors music student 
 at a major university with composition as my strength.  What was interesting 
was learning how these guys actually came up with their music.  There even are 
some pieces that are adaptations of bar songs of the composer's day.
 
 There really is no venue for serious 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ice Krispies

[sharelong60]

hey noozguru, I finally got to visit Murphy's website which is even a treat 
visually! Luckily I found the page on movies. Very creative fellow, I'd say. He 
seems to be a popular musician with movie makers.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ice Krispies

[emilymaenot]

Share, Sarah Chang on violin:  Carmen Fantasy - video is great, imho.  
 

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kogUk6Hnbs 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kogUk6Hnbs

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ice Krispies

[Share Long]

Thanks, Emily, I agree, it's a great video and it's obvious that she is an 
amazing artist. But oy, when she hits those high notes, for me it's almost like 
fingernails on a blackboard!





On Friday, December 13, 2013 11:36 AM, emilymae...@yahoo.com 
emilymae...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  
Share, Sarah Chang on violin:  Carmen Fantasy - video is great, imho.  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kogUk6Hnbs

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ice Krispies

[emilymaenot]

Thank you Judy.  This is a good article on Pollini in the WSJ, April 2013.  
 

 
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424127887324874204578440571761520316 
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424127887324874204578440571761520316

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ice Krispies

[emilymaenot]

Yes, I hear you, although I get a little thrill out of it today.  This is why 
my father did not allow me to learn the violin; it was the right choice, 
really.   

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ice Krispies

[Share Long]

Emily, knowing what you know now, which instrument do you wish you played?




On Friday, December 13, 2013 1:07 PM, emilymae...@yahoo.com 
emilymae...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  
Yes, I hear you, although I get a little thrill out of it today.  This is why 
my father did not allow me to learn the violin; it was the right choice, 
really.   

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ice Krispies

[emilymaenot]

Actually, I played the clarinet (supposedly less screechy but I squeaked a lot 
for several years) and was pretty good, but didn't continue past high school.  
I sold my clarinet for $15 bucks on the street, the summer I spent living in my 
car when I was 19.  Stupid and a decision I regretted later.  No time for it 
now.  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ice Krispies

[Share Long]

I took lessons in hammered dulcimer. I love the sound of it. When I was 7, I 
took accordian lessons. Now wish I had learned piano.





On Friday, December 13, 2013 1:52 PM, emilymae...@yahoo.com 
emilymae...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  
Actually, I played the clarinet (supposedly less screechy but I squeaked a lot 
for several years) and was pretty good, but didn't continue past high school.  
I sold my clarinet for $15 bucks on the street, the summer I spent living in my 
car when I was 19.  Stupid and a decision I regretted later.  No time for it 
now.  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ice Krispies

[Bhairitu]

The hammered dulcimer, the ultimate hippiesque instrument if there ever 
was one. :-D


On 12/13/2013 12:35 PM, Share Long wrote:
I took lessons in hammered dulcimer. I love the sound of it. When I 
was 7, I took accordian lessons. Now wish I had learned piano.



On Friday, December 13, 2013 1:52 PM, emilymae...@yahoo.com 
emilymae...@yahoo.com wrote:
Actually, I played the clarinet (supposedly less screechy but I 
squeaked a lot for several years) and was pretty good, but didn't 
continue past high school.  I sold my clarinet for $15 bucks on the 
street, the summer I spent living in my car when I was 19.  Stupid and 
a decision I regretted later.  No time for it now.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ice Krispies

[Share Long]

Really, noozguru?! I always thought bongo drums were the ultimate hippie 
instrument. For guys. And maybe the tamberine for the girls (-:





On Friday, December 13, 2013 2:57 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
 
  
The hammered dulcimer, the ultimate hippiesque instrument if there ever was 
one. :-D 

On 12/13/2013 12:35 PM, Share Long wrote:

  
I took lessons in hammered dulcimer. I love the sound of it. When I was 7, I 
took accordian lessons. Now wish I had learned piano.




On Friday, December 13, 2013 1:52 PM, emilymae...@yahoo.com 
emilymae...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  
Actually, I played the clarinet (supposedly less screechy but I squeaked a lot 
for several years) and was pretty good, but didn't continue past high school.  
I sold my clarinet for $15 bucks on the street, the summer I spent living in 
my car when I was 19.  Stupid and a decision I regretted later.  No time for 
it now.  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ice Krispies

[authfriend]

Thank you! I hope he's still in good health.
 

 I've never quite understood Pollini's reputation in some circles for 
coolness. I like his straightforwardness and lack of sentimentality. He lets 
you dig the music on your--and its--own terms without, as it were, telling you 
how to feel about it, but his brilliant technique brings out everything the 
composer put into it. (IMHO.)
 

 Change of pace, a movement from a simple Bach keyboard piece that never fails 
to lift my spirits:
 

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-GnAGwjXnM 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-GnAGwjXnM

 

 Schubert's last piano sonata, composed shortly before his death. This (the 
first movement) takes me places:
 

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ok9tofNmqNY 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ok9tofNmqNY

 

 Beethoven's Waldstein piano sonata (Pollini again):
 

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-OM70p3Jd0 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-OM70p3Jd0

 

 My father used to play this at home (or try to play it; he was a talented 
amateur, but this is a tough piece--he enjoyed the challenge, would practice it 
for hours).

 

 Emily wrote:
 
  Thank you Judy.  This is a good article on Pollini in the WSJ, April 2013.  

 

 
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424127887324874204578440571761520316 
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424127887324874204578440571761520316

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ice Krispies

[doctordumbass]

Bongos were for beatniks. Hammered dulcimers were for tripping.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ice Krispies

[doctordumbass]

I'd like to play the accordion, violin/fiddle/viola/cello, and drums -

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ice Krispies

[emilymaenot]

 

 Judy, comments inserted below (I hope).  Tonight was more listening pleasure.  
Thank you.  
 

 

 

 

 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote:

 Thank you! I hope he's still in good health.
 

 I've never quite understood Pollini's reputation in some circles for 
coolness. I like his straightforwardness and lack of sentimentality. He lets 
you dig the music on your--and its--own terms without, as it were, telling you 
how to feel about it, but his brilliant technique brings out everything the 
composer put into it. (IMHO.)
 

 Change of pace, a movement from a simple Bach keyboard piece that never fails 
to lift my spirits:
 

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-GnAGwjXnM 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-GnAGwjXnM

 

 Yep, I've bookmarked it. 
 

 Schubert's last piano sonata, composed shortly before his death. This (the 
first movement) takes me places:
 

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ok9tofNmqNY 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ok9tofNmqNY

 

 Faboulous, and I love the video of Alfred Brendal playing it - view from the 
side; he is so immersed *in* the piece.  From Wikipedia on Schubert [which you 
probably know, I'm guessing :)]
 

 The works of his last two years reveal a composer increasingly meditating on 
the darker side of the human psyche and human relationships, and with a deeper 
sense of spiritual awareness and conception of the 'beyond'. 
 

 Beethoven's Waldstein piano sonata (Pollini again):
 

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-OM70p3Jd0 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-OM70p3Jd0

 

 My father used to play this at home (or try to play it; he was a talented 
amateur, but this is a tough piece--he enjoyed the challenge, would practice it 
for hours).

 

 Love that - what a dad.  Yes, this is some piece. Pollini! The feeling that 
comes through the intensity and precision of what he plays is astounding.  I 
just re-read the article; this is what I am trying to say: his uncanny ability 
to manipulate dynamics, as well as a deft rhythmic sense - Mr. Pollini thinks a 
lot about sound. He does bring out the inner quality of the music. I liked 
what Pollini said here:
 

 Certainly I'm not for a cool approach to music. This would limit the power of 
a musical creation. Objectivity I can understand in a certain way. I want the 
music to speak for itself, but music played coolly is not enough. It would be 
wrong to be detached.
 Interestingly, compare how Gilels interprets/plays this.  This is part 3 and 
corresponds to 16 minutes into the link you posted. Tonight, I like Pollini's 
version better.  
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6Yn96G16Og 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6Yn96G16Og

 In my stash of some classical CD's inherited from my grandparents, I found 
Dietrich Fischer-Dieskau and his faithful accompanist, Hartmut Holl.  I am 
going to listen to them all; it is time. Accompanists don't get the credit they 
deserve.  This transports me too. Smile.  
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2Dw9tFpZAc 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2Dw9tFpZAc

 “In the early 1980s Holl was taken on as official accompanist for the famous 
baritone Dietrich Fischer-Dieskau, the most recorded singer in history, with 
over one thousand LP-length recordings to his credit. For 14 years, Holl 
accompanied Fischer-Dieskau in what many see now as an Indian summer of 
Fischer-Dieskau’s long career. He was sometimes tempted to perform and record 
with pianists who were not full masters of the accompanist’s art, like Alfred 
Brendel, Vladimir Ashkenazy, and most disastrously Vladimir Horowitz. But for 
the most part, it was Holl’s combination of musical sensitivity with a capacity 
for drama and spiky originality when the song called for it, that grace the 
baritone’s last recordings.” - Valerie Kampmeier

 

 

 

 

 

 Emily wrote:
 
  Thank you Judy.  This is a good article on Pollini in the WSJ, April 2013.  

 

 
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424127887324874204578440571761520316 
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424127887324874204578440571761520316

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ice Krispies

[Bhairitu]

How do you define real music?

On 12/11/2013 02:33 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:


Here, listen to some real music:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKcL6BZXcV4


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELEq1MA8m8Q


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IUM-ropDro


And the 2001 music:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Szdziw4tI9o


Share wrote:


  hey noozguru, I listened to the Sunshine adagio again. My music 
education is very limited but I think I caught the piano at 2:02. Yes, 
it's beautiful.  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ice Krispies

[Share Long]

noozguru, for me, any music that moves me and or delights me is real. Not all 
classical music falls into this category of mine.





On Thursday, December 12, 2013 2:01 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
 
  
How do you define real music?

On 12/11/2013 02:33 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:

  
Here, listen to some real music:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKcL6BZXcV4



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELEq1MA8m8Q



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IUM-ropDro



And the 2001 music:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Szdziw4tI9o



Share wrote:


  hey noozguru, I listened to the Sunshine adagio again. My music education 
  is very limited but I think I caught the piano at 2:02. Yes, it's 
  beautiful.   

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ice Krispies

[authfriend]

I know it when I hear it. Murphy's Adagio ain't, IMHO.  Listen to the videos I 
posted, see if you hear a difference. Has to be interesting and challenging.
 
Bhairitu asked:
 How do you define real music?
 
 On 12/11/2013 02:33 PM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote:
 
   Here, listen to some real music:
 
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKcL6BZXcV4 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKcL6BZXcV4
 
 
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELEq1MA8m8Q 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELEq1MA8m8Q
 
 
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IUM-ropDro 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IUM-ropDro
 
 
 
 And the 2001 music:
 
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Szdziw4tI9o 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Szdziw4tI9o
 
 
 
 Share wrote:
 
   hey noozguru, I listened to the Sunshine adagio again. My music education 
   is very limited but I think I caught the piano at 2:02. Yes, it's 
   beautiful.   
 
 
 
 
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ice Krispies

[Bhairitu]

Amusing.  I was an honors music student at a major university with 
composition as my strength.  What was interesting was learning how these 
guys actually came up with their music.  There even are some pieces that 
are adaptations of bar songs of the composer's day.


There really is no venue for serious composers in this age but writing 
movie scores and for TV is one for them.  Even some of my composition 
professors at the university wrote for film.  Murphy's Adagio in D 
minor is a simple and beautiful piece which functions as mood 
generating background for the film.  Hans Zimmer also wrote a simple 
piece for the film Inception called Time which is also very popular 
and spiritual.  Funny thing is I noticed it was Blue Moon chords 
played backward. :-D


The public isn't of course aware (unless they took some good music 
appreciation classes) of the background of a lot the serious composers 
of the past.  I always thought  that Amadeus told the story well that 
they had to cater to the aristocrats of the day who might accuse them of 
writing too many notes.  Some of these people lived short lives and 
some were drunkards.  Shubert died at an early age of syphilis.


The pubic is told to hold them in high esteem not that they recognize 
why.  I was always amused at how symphonies needed to put on their 
classical top 40 concerts rather than present new music or obscure pieces.


Randy Newman wrote the music for the film Pleasantville and the DVD 
contains a wonderful commentary by him.  Of course he grew up hanging 
out with his uncles who wrote for Hollywood film and talks about how 
Jerry Goldsmith would rip apart many of Beethoven's works in 
discussion.  Such discussions were also not unusual when having coffee 
with some of my music school professors.



On 12/12/2013 12:56 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:


*I know it when I hear it. Murphy's Adagio ain't, IMHO.  Listen to the 
videos I posted, see if you hear a difference. Has to be interesting 
and challenging.*


*
Bhairitu asked:
*
How do you define real music?

On 12/11/2013 02:33 PM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote:


Here, listen to some real music:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKcL6BZXcV4


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELEq1MA8m8Q


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IUM-ropDro


And the 2001 music:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Szdziw4tI9o


Share wrote:


  hey noozguru, I listened to the Sunshine adagio again. My music 
education is very limited but I think I caught the piano at 2:02. 
Yes, it's beautiful.  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ice Krispies

[authfriend]

Some original movie and TV scores are excellent, worth listening to as music 
for its own sake. Others...not so much. For that matter, there's plenty of 
real popular music as well (e.g., the Beatles). And some musicals have had 
excellent music (much of Rodgers and Hammerstein, also Loesser's Guys and 
Dolls). The song My Boy Bill from RH's Carousel is a full-blown operatic 
aria (performed brilliantly by Gordon MacRae).
 

 My use of the term real music had to do with quality, not genre or medium 
snobbery.
 

 I've been immersed in good classical music (i.e., serious music, not 
restricted to the classical period) literally since I was in the cradle, FWIW. 
My father, himself an amateur musician, was a musical scholar who taught 
college courses in various types of serious music. My sister sang with the 
Boston Symphony Chorus. I've sung with good amateur choruses as well. I'm not 
exactly a neophyte, as you'd know if you listened to the videos I linked to. 
It's all accessible, but I doubt any of it is on any orchestra's top 40 list.
 

 I'm not sure what the background of serious composers has to do with the 
appreciation of their music qua music. Wagner was an anti-Semite. Bach was a 
pain in the butt. Schumann was bipolar and died in a mental asylum. So what? 
Their music is transcendent. So is Mozart's. As far as Amadeus is concerned, it 
has quite a few historical inaccuracies; Mozart was not the inane fop portrayed 
in the movie (or the stage play). But it wouldn't matter if he were.
 

 And BTW, while sponsorship was a factor as late as Mozart's day, its 
importance lessened pretty quickly after that; composers of the Romantic period 
generally didn't have to cater to aristocrats for their income (OTOH, a lot of 
them lived in straitened circumstances).
 

 Yes, it's scandalous that orchestras need to put on so many top-40 type 
concerts in order to have sufficient funding. The neglect of music education in 
public schools is appalling.
 

 I'm of two minds about the use of existing serious music in films. On one 
hand, at least moviegoers get some exposure to it. On the other, it imposes a 
kind of sentimentality (positive and/or negative) on the music that is not 
native to it and that can impede genuine appreciation. The ultimate horrible 
example, for me, is the use of Ride of the Valkyries as background for the 
atrocities portrayed in Apocalypse Now. It's almost impossible to hear the 
music without the mental intrusion of images of helicopters slaughtering 
innocent Vietnamese civilians. Yes, both have to do with battles, but of very 
different types--one mythical and gloriously heroic, the other utterly depraved.
 

 I don't believe any of the music for Zeffirelli's Romeo and Juliet was genuine 
Baroque music, by the way, as opposed to pseudo-Baroque pieces composed for 
the movie. The only previously existing serious music used in the film, as far 
as I'm aware, is from the Liebestod from Wagner's Tristan und Isolde, written 
in the 1850s.
 
Bhairitu wrote:

   Amusing.  I was an honors music student at a major university with 
   composition as my strength.  What was interesting was learning how these 
   guys actually came up with their music.  There even are some pieces that 
   are adaptations of bar songs of the composer's day.
 
 There really is no venue for serious composers in this age but writing movie 
scores and for TV is one for them.  Even some of my composition professors at 
the university wrote for film.  Murphy's Adagio in D minor is a simple and 
beautiful piece which functions as mood generating background for the film.  
Hans Zimmer also wrote a simple piece for the film Inception called Time 
which is also very popular and spiritual.  Funny thing is I noticed it was 
Blue Moon chords played backward. :-D 
 
 The public isn't of course aware (unless they took some good music 
appreciation classes) of the background of a lot the serious composers of the 
past.  I always thought  that Amadeus told the story well that they had to 
cater to the aristocrats of the day who might accuse them of writing too many 
notes.  Some of these people lived short lives and some were drunkards.  
Shubert died at an early age of syphilis.
 
 The pubic is told to hold them in high esteem not that they recognize why.  I 
was always amused at how symphonies needed to put on their classical top 40 
concerts rather than present new music or obscure pieces.
 
 Randy Newman wrote the music for the film Pleasantville and the DVD contains 
a wonderful commentary by him.  Of course he grew up hanging out with his 
uncles who wrote for Hollywood film and talks about how Jerry Goldsmith would 
rip apart many of Beethoven's works in discussion.  Such discussions were also 
not unusual when having coffee with some of my music school professors.   

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ice Krispies

[Bhairitu]

On 12/12/2013 04:36 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:


I'm of two minds about the use of existing serious music in films. On 
one hand, at least moviegoers get some exposure to it. On the other, 
it imposes a kind of sentimentality (positive and/or negative) on the 
music that is not native to it and that can impede genuine 
appreciation. The ultimate horrible example, for me, is the use of 
Ride of the Valkyries as background for the atrocities portrayed in 
/Apocalypse Now/. It's almost impossible to hear the music without the 
mental intrusion of images of helicopters slaughtering innocent 
Vietnamese civilians. Yes, both have to do with battles, but of very 
different types--one mythical and gloriously heroic, the other utterly 
depraved.


Coppola was using that piece to mock the war.  Coppola's father was a 
professional musician and composer.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ice Krispies

[Bhairitu]

On 12/12/2013 05:51 PM, Bhairitu wrote:


On 12/12/2013 04:36 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:


I'm of two minds about the use of existing serious music in films. On 
one hand, at least moviegoers get some exposure to it. On the other, 
it imposes a kind of sentimentality (positive and/or negative) on the 
music that is not native to it and that can impede genuine 
appreciation. The ultimate horrible example, for me, is the use of 
Ride of the Valkyries as background for the atrocities portrayed in 
/Apocalypse Now/. It's almost impossible to hear the music without 
the mental intrusion of images of helicopters slaughtering innocent 
Vietnamese civilians. Yes, both have to do with battles, but of very 
different types--one mythical and gloriously heroic, the other 
utterly depraved.


Coppola was using that piece to mock the war.  Coppola's father was a 
professional musician and composer.


And let's not forget that a lot of the audience was hearing kill da 
wabbit in their heads. :-D

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ice Krispies

[authfriend]

Good lord, I should hope he wasn't trying to glorify it. But that he was 
mocking war doesn't change the fact that it degrades a sublime piece of music 
for those who have seen the film.
 
Bhairitu wrote:

   On 12/12/2013 04:36 PM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote:
 
   
 I'm of two minds about the use of existing serious music in films. On one 
hand, at least moviegoers get some exposure to it. On the other, it imposes a 
kind of sentimentality (positive and/or negative) on the music that is not 
native to it and that can impede genuine appreciation. The ultimate horrible 
example, for me, is the use of Ride of the Valkyries as background for the 
atrocities portrayed in Apocalypse Now. It's almost impossible to hear the 
music without the mental intrusion of images of helicopters slaughtering 
innocent Vietnamese civilians. Yes, both have to do with battles, but of very 
different types--one mythical and gloriously heroic, the other utterly depraved.
 
 
 Coppola was using that piece to mock the war.  Coppola's father was a 
professional musician and composer.   
 
 
 
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ice Krispies

[Share Long]

Judy and noozguru, I think music for a movie is simply another art form, best 
appreciated on its own merits rather than compared to another context of 
musical creation.  When I think of some of the wonderful music I've encountered 
in movies, I only feel gratitude to those who created it. One of the first 
movies to bring my attention to its score was Chariots of Fire with its 
compositions by Vangelis, who also wrote the haunting music for Year of Living 
Dangerously. Also the music by Maurice Jarre in Peter Weir's Witness. I could 
go on and on but only want to honor the composers who wrote such incredible 
works even though they knew their sounds might play second fiddle to the 
visuals.  





On Thursday, December 12, 2013 6:36 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com 
authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  
Some original movie and TV scores are excellent, worth listening to as music 
for its own sake. Others...not so much. For that matter, there's plenty of 
real popular music as well (e.g., the Beatles). And some musicals have had 
excellent music (much of Rodgers and Hammerstein, also Loesser's Guys and 
Dolls). The song My Boy Bill from RH's Carousel is a full-blown operatic 
aria (performed brilliantly by Gordon MacRae).

My use of the term real music had to do with quality, not genre or medium 
snobbery.

I've been immersed in good classical music (i.e., serious music, not restricted 
to the classical period) literally since I was in the cradle, FWIW. My father, 
himself an amateur musician, was a musical scholar who taught college courses 
in various types of serious music. My sister sang with the Boston Symphony 
Chorus. I've sung with good amateur choruses as well. I'm not exactly a 
neophyte, as you'd know if you listened to the videos I linked to. It's all 
accessible, but I doubt any of it is on any orchestra's top 40 list.

I'm not sure what the background of serious composers has to do with the 
appreciation of their music qua music. Wagner was an anti-Semite. Bach was a 
pain in the butt. Schumann was bipolar and died in a mental asylum. So what? 
Their music is transcendent. So is Mozart's. As far as Amadeus is concerned, it 
has quite a few historical inaccuracies; Mozart was not the inane fop portrayed 
in the movie (or the stage play). But it wouldn't matter if he were.

And BTW, while sponsorship was a factor as late as Mozart's day, its importance 
lessened pretty quickly after that; composers of the Romantic period generally 
didn't have to cater to aristocrats for their income (OTOH, a lot of them lived 
in straitened circumstances).

Yes, it's scandalous that orchestras need to put on so many top-40 type 
concerts in order to have sufficient funding. The neglect of music education in 
public schools is appalling.

I'm of two minds about the use of existing serious music in films. On one hand, 
at least moviegoers get some exposure to it. On the other, it imposes a kind of 
sentimentality (positive and/or negative) on the music that is not native to it 
and that can impede genuine appreciation. The ultimate horrible example, for 
me, is the use of Ride of the Valkyries as background for the atrocities 
portrayed in Apocalypse Now. It's almost impossible to hear the music without 
the mental intrusion of images of helicopters slaughtering innocent Vietnamese 
civilians. Yes, both have to do with battles, but of very different types--one 
mythical and gloriously heroic, the other utterly depraved.

I don't believe any of the music for Zeffirelli's Romeo and Juliet was genuine 
Baroque music, by the way, as opposed to pseudo-Baroque pieces composed for 
the movie. The only previously existing serious music used in the film, as far 
as I'm aware, is from the Liebestod from Wagner's Tristan und Isolde, written 
in the 1850s.

Bhairitu wrote:


  Amusing.  I was an honors music student at a major university with 
  composition as my strength.  What was interesting was learning how these 
  guys actually came up with their music.  There even are some pieces that 
  are adaptations of bar songs of the composer's day.

There really is no venue for serious composers in this age but
  writing movie scores and for TV is one for them.  Even some of my
  composition professors at the university wrote for film.  Murphy's
  Adagio in D minor is a simple and beautiful piece which
  functions as mood generating background for the film.  Hans Zimmer
  also wrote a simple piece for the film Inception called Time
  which is also very popular and spiritual.  Funny thing is I
  noticed it was Blue Moon chords played backward. :-D 

The public isn't of course aware (unless they took some good music
  appreciation classes) of the background of a lot the serious
  composers of the past.  I always thought  that Amadeus told the
  story well that they had to cater to the aristocrats of the day
  who might accuse them of writing too many notes.  Some of these
  people lived short 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ice Krispies

[authfriend]

That's fine, I would expect you to say you think that. I was making a different 
point, however.
 

 But note that if this is how you see it, it would never make sense to listen 
to a sound-track album, because what you're essentially saying is that the 
music can't be, or shouldn't be, separated from the context of the film.
 

 Share ventured:
 
  Judy and noozguru, I think music for a movie is simply another art form, 
best appreciated on its own merits rather than compared to another context of 
musical creation.  When I think of some of the wonderful music I've encountered 
in movies, I only feel gratitude to those who created it. One of the first 
movies to bring my attention to its score was Chariots of Fire with its 
compositions by Vangelis, who also wrote the haunting music for Year of Living 
Dangerously. Also the music by Maurice Jarre in Peter Weir's Witness. I could 
go on and on but only want to honor the composers who wrote such incredible 
works even though they knew their sounds might play second fiddle to the 
visuals.
 

 
 
 On Thursday, December 12, 2013 6:36 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... 
wrote:
 
   Some original movie and TV scores are excellent, worth listening to as music 
for its own sake. Others...not so much. For that matter, there's plenty of 
real popular music as well (e.g., the Beatles). And some musicals have had 
excellent music (much of Rodgers and Hammerstein, also Loesser's Guys and 
Dolls). The song My Boy Bill from RH's Carousel is a full-blown operatic 
aria (performed brilliantly by Gordon MacRae).
 

 My use of the term real music had to do with quality, not genre or medium 
snobbery.
 

 I've been immersed in good classical music (i.e., serious music, not 
restricted to the classical period) literally since I was in the cradle, FWIW. 
My father, himself an amateur musician, was a musical scholar who taught 
college courses in various types of serious music. My sister sang with the 
Boston Symphony Chorus. I've sung with good amateur choruses as well. I'm not 
exactly a neophyte, as you'd know if you listened to the videos I linked to. 
It's all accessible, but I doubt any of it is on any orchestra's top 40 list.
 

 I'm not sure what the background of serious composers has to do with the 
appreciation of their music qua music. Wagner was an anti-Semite. Bach was a 
pain in the butt. Schumann was bipolar and died in a mental asylum. So what? 
Their music is transcendent. So is Mozart's. As far as Amadeus is concerned, it 
has quite a few historical inaccuracies; Mozart was not the inane fop portrayed 
in the movie (or the stage play). But it wouldn't matter if he were.
 

 And BTW, while sponsorship was a factor as late as Mozart's day, its 
importance lessened pretty quickly after that; composers of the Romantic period 
generally didn't have to cater to aristocrats for their income (OTOH, a lot of 
them lived in straitened circumstances).
 

 Yes, it's scandalous that orchestras need to put on so many top-40 type 
concerts in order to have sufficient funding. The neglect of music education in 
public schools is appalling.
 

 I'm of two minds about the use of existing serious music in films. On one 
hand, at least moviegoers get some exposure to it. On the other, it imposes a 
kind of sentimentality (positive and/or negative) on the music that is not 
native to it and that can impede genuine appreciation. The ultimate horrible 
example, for me, is the use of Ride of the Valkyries as background for the 
atrocities portrayed in Apocalypse Now. It's almost impossible to hear the 
music without the mental intrusion of images of helicopters slaughtering 
innocent Vietnamese civilians. Yes, both have to do with battles, but of very 
different types--one mythical and gloriously heroic, the other utterly depraved.
 

 I don't believe any of the music for Zeffirelli's Romeo and Juliet was genuine 
Baroque music, by the way, as opposed to pseudo-Baroque pieces composed for 
the movie. The only previously existing serious music used in the film, as far 
as I'm aware, is from the Liebestod from Wagner's Tristan und Isolde, written 
in the 1850s.
 
Bhairitu wrote:

   Amusing.  I was an honors music student 
 at a major university with composition as my strength.  What was interesting 
was learning how these guys actually came up with their music.  There even are 
some pieces that are adaptations of bar songs of the composer's day.
 
 There really is no venue for serious composers in this age but writing movie 
scores and for TV is one for them.  Even some of my composition professors at 
the university wrote for film.  Murphy's Adagio in D minor is a simple and 
beautiful piece which functions as mood generating background for the film.  
Hans Zimmer also wrote a simple piece for the film Inception called Time 
which is also very popular and spiritual.  Funny thing is I noticed it was 
Blue Moon chords played backward. :-D 
 
 The public isn't of course aware (unless 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ice Krispies

[Share Long]

Judy, what comes to mind is the To be or not to be speech in Hamlet. It can be 
considered as a creation in and of itself. But certainly it is best considered 
in context of the entire play.





On Thursday, December 12, 2013 8:27 PM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com 
wrote:
 
  
Judy and noozguru, I think music for a movie is simply another art form, best 
appreciated on its own merits rather than compared to another context of 
musical creation.  When I think of some of the wonderful music I've encountered 
in movies, I only feel gratitude to those who created it. One of the first 
movies to bring my attention to its score was Chariots of Fire with its 
compositions by Vangelis, who also wrote the haunting music for Year of Living 
Dangerously. Also the music by Maurice Jarre in Peter Weir's Witness. I could 
go on and on but only want to honor the composers who wrote such incredible 
works even though they knew their sounds might play second fiddle to the 
visuals.  





On Thursday, December 12, 2013 6:36 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com 
authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  
Some original movie and TV scores are excellent, worth listening to as music 
for its own sake. Others...not so much. For that matter, there's plenty of 
real popular music as well (e.g., the Beatles). And some musicals have had 
excellent music (much of Rodgers and Hammerstein, also Loesser's Guys and 
Dolls). The song My Boy Bill from RH's Carousel is a full-blown operatic 
aria (performed brilliantly by Gordon MacRae).

My use of the term real music had to do with quality, not genre or medium 
snobbery.

I've been immersed in good classical music (i.e., serious music, not restricted 
to the classical period) literally since I was in the cradle, FWIW. My father, 
himself an amateur musician, was a musical scholar who taught college courses 
in various types of serious music. My sister sang with the Boston Symphony 
Chorus. I've sung with good amateur choruses as well. I'm not exactly a 
neophyte, as you'd know if you listened to the videos I linked to. It's all 
accessible, but I doubt any of it is on any orchestra's top 40 list.

I'm not sure what the background of serious composers has to do with the 
appreciation of their music qua music. Wagner was an anti-Semite. Bach was a 
pain in the butt. Schumann was bipolar and died in a mental asylum. So what? 
Their music is transcendent. So is Mozart's. As far as Amadeus is concerned, it 
has quite a few historical inaccuracies; Mozart was not the inane fop portrayed 
in the movie (or the stage play). But it wouldn't matter if he were.

And BTW, while sponsorship was a factor as late as Mozart's day, its importance 
lessened pretty quickly after that; composers of the Romantic period generally 
didn't have to cater to aristocrats for their income (OTOH, a lot of them lived 
in straitened circumstances).

Yes, it's scandalous that orchestras need to put on so many top-40 type 
concerts in order to have sufficient funding. The neglect of music education in 
public schools is appalling.

I'm of two minds about the use of existing serious music in films. On one hand, 
at least moviegoers get some exposure to it. On the other, it imposes a kind of 
sentimentality (positive and/or negative) on the music that is not native to it 
and that can impede genuine appreciation. The ultimate horrible example, for 
me, is the use of Ride of the Valkyries as background for the atrocities 
portrayed in Apocalypse Now. It's almost impossible to hear the music without 
the mental intrusion of images of helicopters slaughtering innocent Vietnamese 
civilians. Yes, both have to do with battles, but of very different types--one 
mythical and gloriously heroic, the other utterly depraved.

I don't believe any of the music for Zeffirelli's Romeo and Juliet was genuine 
Baroque music, by the way, as opposed to pseudo-Baroque pieces composed for 
the movie. The only previously existing serious music used in the film, as far 
as I'm aware, is from the Liebestod from Wagner's Tristan und Isolde, written 
in the 1850s.

Bhairitu wrote:


  Amusing.  I was an honors music student at a major university with 
  composition as my strength.  What was interesting was learning how these 
  guys actually came up with their music.  There even are some pieces that 
  are adaptations of bar songs of the composer's day.

There really is no venue for serious composers in this age but
  writing movie scores and for TV is one for them.  Even some of my
  composition professors at the university wrote for film.  Murphy's
  Adagio in D minor is a simple and beautiful piece which
  functions as mood generating background for the film.  Hans Zimmer
  also wrote a simple piece for the film Inception called Time
  which is also very popular and spiritual.  Funny thing is I
  noticed it was Blue Moon chords played backward. :-D 

The public isn't of course aware (unless they took some good music
  appreciation 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ice Krispies

[authfriend]

Yeah, that's a complete non sequitur in this context.
 

 Not everything that comes to mind is worth saying. Not everything that 
comes to mind makes sense. It pays to think about it before you put it out 
there for others to see.
 
Share fumbled:

  Judy, what comes to mind is the To be or not to be speech in Hamlet. It 
can be considered as a creation in and of itself. But certainly it is best 
considered in context of the entire play. 
 

 
 
 On Thursday, December 12, 2013 8:27 PM, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:
 
   Judy and noozguru, I think music for a movie is simply another art form, 
best appreciated on its own merits rather than compared to another context of 
musical creation.  When I think of some of the wonderful music I've encountered 
in movies, I only feel gratitude to those who created it. One of the first 
movies to bring my attention to its score was Chariots of Fire with its 
compositions by Vangelis, who also wrote the haunting music for Year of Living 
Dangerously. Also the music by Maurice Jarre in Peter Weir's Witness. I could 
go on and on but only want to honor the composers who wrote such incredible 
works even though they knew their sounds might play second fiddle to the 
visuals.  
 

 
 
 On Thursday, December 12, 2013 6:36 PM, authfriend@... authfriend@... 
wrote:
 
   Some original movie and TV scores are excellent, worth listening to as music 
for its own sake. Others...not so much. For that matter, there's plenty of 
real popular music as well (e.g., the Beatles). And some musicals have had 
excellent music (much of Rodgers and Hammerstein, also Loesser's Guys and 
Dolls). The song My Boy Bill from RH's Carousel is a full-blown operatic 
aria (performed brilliantly by Gordon MacRae).
 

 My use of the term real music had to do with quality, not genre or medium 
snobbery.
 

 I've been immersed in good classical music (i.e., serious music, not 
restricted to the classical period) literally since I was in the cradle, FWIW. 
My father, himself an amateur musician, was a musical scholar who taught 
college courses in various types of serious music. My sister sang with the 
Boston Symphony Chorus. I've sung with good amateur choruses as well. I'm not 
exactly a neophyte, as you'd know if you listened to the videos I linked to. 
It's all accessible, but I doubt any of it is on any orchestra's top 40 list.
 

 I'm not sure what the background of serious composers has to do with the 
appreciation of their music qua music. Wagner was an anti-Semite. Bach was a 
pain in the butt. Schumann was bipolar and died in a mental asylum. So what? 
Their music is transcendent. So is Mozart's. As far as Amadeus is concerned, it 
has quite a few historical inaccuracies; Mozart was not the inane fop portrayed 
in the movie (or the stage play). But it wouldn't matter if he were.
 

 And BTW, while sponsorship was a factor as late as Mozart's day, its 
importance lessened pretty quickly after that; composers of the Romantic period 
generally didn't have to cater to aristocrats for their income (OTOH, a lot of 
them lived in straitened circumstances).
 

 Yes, it's scandalous that orchestras need to put on so many top-40 type 
concerts in order to have sufficient funding. The neglect of music education in 
public schools is appalling.
 

 I'm of two minds about the use of existing serious music in films. On one 
hand, at least moviegoers get some exposure to it. On the other, it imposes a 
kind of sentimentality (positive and/or negative) on the music that is not 
native to it and that can impede genuine appreciation. The ultimate horrible 
example, for me, is the use of Ride of the Valkyries as background for the 
atrocities portrayed in Apocalypse Now. It's almost impossible to hear the 
music without the mental intrusion of images of helicopters slaughtering 
innocent Vietnamese civilians. Yes, both have to do with battles, but of very 
different types--one mythical and gloriously heroic, the other utterly depraved.
 

 I don't believe any of the music for Zeffirelli's Romeo and Juliet was genuine 
Baroque music, by the way, as opposed to pseudo-Baroque pieces composed for 
the movie. The only previously existing serious music used in the film, as far 
as I'm aware, is from the Liebestod from Wagner's Tristan und Isolde, written 
in the 1850s.
 
Bhairitu wrote:

   Amusing.  I was an honors music student 
 at a major university with composition as my strength.  What was interesting 
was learning how these guys actually came up with their music.  There even are 
some pieces that are adaptations of bar songs of the composer's day.
 
 There really is no venue for serious composers in this age but writing movie 
scores and for TV is one for them.  Even some of my composition professors at 
the university wrote for film.  Murphy's Adagio in D minor is a simple and 
beautiful piece which functions as mood generating background for the film.  
Hans Zimmer also wrote a simple piece for the film 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ice Krispies

[emilymaenot]

Judy, that Pollini Chopin Piano Sonata is PHENOMENAL! HEAVENLY!  It nurtures 
the soul.  I am particularly fond of classical piano, if you have other 
recommendations.  Yes, I'm asking and I'm not proud.  Share, seriously, you 
should check it out - the third link that Judy posted.  They are all great, but 
if you like piano

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ice Krispies

[emilymaenot]

Well, other than Pollini - it's all Pollini tonight. :)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ice Krispies

[Share Long]

noozguru, I like the idea as a movie plot basis. Listened to the music piece. 
Kind of reminded me of the music in 2001 A Space Odyssey.





On Tuesday, December 10, 2013 12:55 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
 
  
One of my favorite sci-fi films is Sunshine by Danny Boyle.  In that film the 
Sun is dying and a crew on a space craft is traveling there to launch a nuclear 
device to re-ignite it.  It's also where John Murphy's Adagio in D minor made 
it's debut.

On 12/10/2013 04:44 AM, Share Long wrote:

  
noozguru, that's definitely a vata vitiating movie. I feel cold just 
remembering some of the images in it. Good to watch in the summer. I enjoyed 
it though.

I'm thinking that humans are a part of the ecosystem. But
  maybe the diseased part!






On Monday, December 9, 2013 5:55 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
 
  
We may be enjoying The Day After Tomorrow for real.  Earth has it's own 
ecosystem correction mechanism and humans be damned!

On 12/09/2013 02:08 PM, Share Long
  wrote:

  
noozguru, I've definitely gotten more sensitive to the cold as I've gotten 
older. Even though I guess I'm still pure pitta! And of course I sit a lot 
when I'm at the computer so that doesn't help though there's a radiator only 
about 2 feet from the desk. I love to put my gloves on the radiator by the 
front door when I come in. And my socks on the radiator upstairs, especially 
if they've gotten wet. 


Wind chill is definitely a factor in windy FF. The women's Dome is up on a 
ridge and sometimes in the morning, I walk from the parking lot clutching my 
hood tightly on my head. I'm a wimp!


What I notice about Iowa weather is that it's more erratic now, more sudden 
and dramatic changes. and about 20 years ago we had snow on May 1!




On Monday, December 9, 2013 3:46 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
 
  
I just got back from my walk which I usually take in the morning but decided 
to wait until it warmed up a bit.  According to local news it is the coldest 
day so far in this cold snap.  It is in the low 40s right now but clear skies 
and sun.  At the house it felt warmer than around the corner at the park 
where apparently a wind was coming down the valley creating a wind chill.

When I first
  moved here in
  the 1990s the
  only real cold
  days were in
  January and
  might only
  last for a
  week.  Now it
  starts in
  early
  November.  I
  go from shorts
  and a t-shirt,
  skip over the
  warm-up suit
  (mainly wind
  breaker stuff)
  and to the
  flannel
  warmups.

On 12/09/2013
  12:23 PM,
  Share Long
  wrote:

  
noozguru, according to cnn weather it's currently -8 in Fairfield. But the 
sun is shining so that helps a little. Farmers Almanac, with an 86% accuracy 
rate, is predicting a winter of piercing cold. But I don't know if that's 
for all the country or just a portion.






On Monday, December 9, 2013 2:06 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
 
  
Enjoying the new ice age? It was down in the mid-20s overnight here. 
Any below 0's
  on FFL?

It's been
  almost 10
  years since
  this article
  was posted:
http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2004/02/09/360120/

More or less
  based on local
  research:

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ice Krispies

[Bhairitu]

The  Adagio is a very simple but beautiful piece.  It reminds me of the 
works of Ralph Vaughn Williams. I get a kick though where the piano 
comes in because it reminds me of Journey's Don't Stop Believin'.  
Murphy is self taught but I think I read somewhere that his wife is 
classically trained.  Hard to say how his works come together because 
according to a neighbor who moved back from Hollywood some of these 
composers write sketches and a staff of orchestrators (of which he was 
one) create the scores.


There was a funny burp about the Sunshine score because a CD wasn't 
available on the films according to licensing snafus.  Lots of people 
love the Adagio though and wanted a copy.  The Adagio is also often used 
on trailers for films where the actual score hasn't been finished yet. 
Here is his web site.  I also note the pictures of recording a score at 
the Bastyr University Chapel in Seattle where I played in U of W 
symphony concerts when it was still a church chapel in the 1960s. There 
are several mixes of the Adagio on his site to listen to.

http://www.johnmurphyofficial.com/index2.html

Sunshine is a VERY spiritual film and I have it on Bluray.  Of course 
Danny Boyle is no slacker as a film maker either.


On 12/11/2013 04:55 AM, Share Long wrote:
noozguru, I like the idea as a movie plot basis. Listened to the music 
piece. Kind of reminded me of the music in 2001 A Space Odyssey.




On Tuesday, December 10, 2013 12:55 PM, Bhairitu 
noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
One of my favorite sci-fi films is Sunshine by Danny Boyle.  In that 
film the Sun is dying and a crew on a space craft is traveling there 
to launch a nuclear device to re-ignite it.  It's also where John 
Murphy's Adagio in D minor made it's debut.


On 12/10/2013 04:44 AM, Share Long wrote:
noozguru, that's definitely a vata vitiating movie. I feel cold just 
remembering some of the images in it. Good to watch in the summer. I 
enjoyed it though.


I'm thinking that humans are a part of the ecosystem. But maybe the 
diseased part!




On Monday, December 9, 2013 5:55 PM, Bhairitu 
noozg...@sbcglobal.net mailto:noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
We may be enjoying The Day After Tomorrow for real.  Earth has it's 
own ecosystem correction mechanism and humans be damned!


On 12/09/2013 02:08 PM, Share Long wrote:
noozguru, I've definitely gotten more sensitive to the cold as I've 
gotten older. Even though I guess I'm still pure pitta! And of 
course I sit a lot when I'm at the computer so that doesn't help 
though there's a radiator only about 2 feet from the desk. I love to 
put my gloves on the radiator by the front door when I come in. And 
my socks on the radiator upstairs, especially if they've gotten wet.


Wind chill is definitely a factor in windy FF. The women's Dome is 
up on a ridge and sometimes in the morning, I walk from the parking 
lot clutching my hood tightly on my head. I'm a wimp!


What I notice about Iowa weather is that it's more erratic now, more 
sudden and dramatic changes. and about 20 years ago we had snow on 
May 1!



On Monday, December 9, 2013 3:46 PM, Bhairitu 
noozg...@sbcglobal.net mailto:noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
I just got back from my walk which I usually take in the morning but 
decided to wait until it warmed up a bit. According to local news it 
is the coldest day so far in this cold snap.  It is in the low 40s 
right now but clear skies and sun.  At the house it felt warmer than 
around the corner at the park where apparently a wind was coming 
down the valley creating a wind chill.


When I first moved here in the 1990s the only real cold days were in 
January and might only last for a week.  Now it starts in early 
November.  I go from shorts and a t-shirt, skip over the warm-up 
suit (mainly wind breaker stuff) and to the flannel warmups.


On 12/09/2013 12:23 PM, Share Long wrote:
noozguru, according to cnn weather it's currently -8 in Fairfield. 
But the sun is shining so that helps a little. Farmers Almanac, 
with an 86% accuracy rate, is predicting a winter of piercing cold. 
But I don't know if that's for all the country or just a portion.




On Monday, December 9, 2013 2:06 PM, Bhairitu 
noozg...@sbcglobal.net mailto:noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

Enjoying the new ice age? It was down in the mid-20s overnight here.
Any below 0's on FFL?

It's been almost 10 years since this article was posted:
http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2004/02/09/360120/

More or less based on local research:
http://www.sfgate.com/green/article/Pentagon-sponsored-climate-report-sparks-2791555.php

And more recently the bigger surprise:
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/11/24/scientists-wonder-what-the-weakest-solar-cycle-in-50-years-means-for-eath/

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ice Krispies

[Share Long]

hey noozguru, I listened to the Sunshine adagio again. My music education is 
very limited but I think I caught the piano at 2:02. Yes, it's beautiful. But 
what was the instrument that came in around 48 sec? And what was making the 
obvious and rapid beat at 2:48? It didn't sound like any drum that I'm familiar 
with but that's a small group anyway!

I like to write words to melodies like this, attempting to match the feeling 
tone of the melody with the verbal tone of the words.

I'll have to check if our public library has Sunshine. Thanks for rec. 

Well, I've had issues with soundtracks a few times. For example, the official 
soundtrack of Horse Whisperer is not as good, imo, as is the music right off 
the movie itself. 





On Wednesday, December 11, 2013 12:54 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net 
wrote:
 
  
The  Adagio is a very simple but beautiful piece.  It reminds me of the works 
of Ralph Vaughn Williams. I get a kick though where the piano comes in because 
it reminds me of Journey's Don't Stop Believin'.  Murphy is self taught but I 
think I read somewhere that his wife is classically trained.  Hard to say how 
his works come together because according to a neighbor who moved back from 
Hollywood some of these composers write sketches and a staff of orchestrators 
(of which he was one) create the scores. 

There was a funny burp about the Sunshine score because a CD
  wasn't available on the films according to licensing snafus.  Lots
  of people love the Adagio though and wanted a copy.  The Adagio is
  also often used on trailers for films where the actual score
  hasn't been finished yet. Here is his web site.  I also note the
  pictures of recording a score at the Bastyr University Chapel in
  Seattle where I played in U of W symphony concerts when it was
  still a church chapel in the 1960s. There are several mixes of the
  Adagio on his site to listen to.
http://www.johnmurphyofficial.com/index2.html

Sunshine is a VERY spiritual film and I have it on Bluray.  Of
  course Danny Boyle is no slacker as a film maker either.

On 12/11/2013 04:55 AM, Share Long wrote:

  
noozguru, I like the idea as a movie plot basis. Listened to the music piece. 
Kind of reminded me of the music in 2001 A Space Odyssey.






On Tuesday, December 10, 2013 12:55 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net 
wrote:
 
  
One of my favorite sci-fi films is Sunshine by Danny Boyle.  In that film 
the Sun is dying and a crew on a space craft is traveling there to launch a 
nuclear device to re-ignite it.  It's also where John Murphy's Adagio in D 
minor made it's debut.

On 12/10/2013 04:44 AM, Share Long
  wrote:

  
noozguru, that's definitely a vata vitiating movie. I feel cold just 
remembering some of the images in it. Good to watch in the summer. I enjoyed 
it though.

I'm thinking that humans are a
part of the ecosystem. But maybe
the diseased part!






On Monday, December 9, 2013 5:55 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
 
  
We may be enjoying The Day After Tomorrow for real.  Earth has it's own 
ecosystem correction mechanism and humans be damned!

On 12/09/2013
  02:08 PM,
  Share Long
  wrote:

  
noozguru, I've definitely gotten more sensitive to the cold as I've gotten 
older. Even though I guess I'm still pure pitta! And of course I sit a lot 
when I'm at the computer so that doesn't help though there's a radiator only 
about 2 feet from the desk. I love to put my gloves on the radiator by the 
front door when I come in. And my socks on the radiator upstairs, especially 
if they've gotten wet. 


Wind chill is definitely a factor in windy FF. The women's Dome is up on a 
ridge and sometimes in the morning, I walk from the parking lot clutching my 
hood tightly on my head. I'm a wimp!


What I notice about Iowa weather is that it's more erratic now, more sudden 
and dramatic changes. and about 20 years ago we had snow on May 1!




On Monday, December 9, 2013 3:46 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
 
  
I just got back from my walk which I usually take in the morning but decided 
to wait until it warmed up a bit.  According to local news it is the coldest 
day so far in this cold snap.  It is in the low 40s right now but clear 
skies and sun.  At the house it felt warmer than around the corner at the 
park where apparently a wind was coming down the valley creating a wind 
chill.

When I first
  moved here in
  the 1990s the
  only real cold
  days were in
   

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ice Krispies

[Share Long]

noozguru, guess what? The FF public library has Sunshine. But it's in blu ray. 
Can I watch it on a regular dvd player? On my computer?





On Wednesday, December 11, 2013 2:46 PM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com 
wrote:
 
hey noozguru, I listened to the Sunshine adagio again. My music education is 
very limited but I think I caught the piano at 2:02. Yes, it's beautiful. But 
what was the instrument that came in around 48 sec? And what was making the 
obvious and rapid beat at 2:48? It didn't sound like any drum that I'm familiar 
with but that's a small group anyway!

I like to write words to melodies like this, attempting to match the feeling 
tone of the melody with the verbal tone of the words.

I'll have to check if our public library has Sunshine. Thanks for rec. 

Well, I've had issues with soundtracks a few times. For example, the official 
soundtrack of Horse Whisperer is not as good, imo, as is the music right off 
the movie itself. 





On Wednesday, December 11, 2013 12:54 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net 
wrote:
 
  
The  Adagio is a very simple but beautiful piece.  It reminds me of the works 
of Ralph Vaughn Williams. I get a kick though where the piano comes in because 
it reminds me of Journey's Don't Stop Believin'.  Murphy is self taught but I 
think I read somewhere that his wife is classically trained.  Hard to say how 
his works come together because according to a neighbor who moved back from 
Hollywood some of these composers write sketches and a staff of orchestrators 
(of which he was one) create the scores. 

There was a funny burp about the Sunshine score because a CD
  wasn't available on the films according to licensing snafus.  Lots
  of people love the Adagio though and wanted a copy.  The Adagio is
  also often used on trailers for films where the actual score
  hasn't been finished yet. Here is his web site.  I also note the
  pictures of recording a score at the Bastyr University Chapel in
  Seattle where I played in U of W symphony concerts when it was
  still a church chapel in the 1960s. There are several mixes of the
  Adagio on his site to listen to.
http://www.johnmurphyofficial.com/index2.html

Sunshine is a VERY spiritual film and I have it on Bluray.  Of
  course Danny Boyle is no slacker as a film maker either.

On 12/11/2013 04:55 AM, Share Long wrote:

  
noozguru, I like the idea as a movie plot basis. Listened to the music piece. 
Kind of reminded me of the music in 2001 A Space Odyssey.






On Tuesday, December 10, 2013 12:55 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net 
wrote:
 
  
One of my favorite sci-fi films is Sunshine by Danny Boyle.  In that film 
the Sun is dying and a crew on a space craft is traveling there to launch a 
nuclear device to re-ignite it.  It's also where John Murphy's Adagio in D 
minor made it's debut.

On 12/10/2013 04:44 AM, Share Long
  wrote:

  
noozguru, that's definitely a vata vitiating movie. I feel cold just 
remembering some of the images in it. Good to watch in the summer. I enjoyed 
it though.

I'm thinking that humans are a
part of the ecosystem. But maybe
the diseased part!






On Monday, December 9, 2013 5:55 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
 
  
We may be enjoying The Day After Tomorrow for real.  Earth has it's own 
ecosystem correction mechanism and humans be damned!

On 12/09/2013
  02:08 PM,
  Share Long
  wrote:

  
noozguru, I've definitely gotten more sensitive to the cold as I've gotten 
older. Even though I guess I'm still pure pitta! And of course I sit a lot 
when I'm at the computer so that doesn't help though there's a radiator only 
about 2 feet from the desk. I love to put my gloves on the radiator by the 
front door when I come in. And my socks on the radiator upstairs, especially 
if they've gotten wet. 


Wind chill is definitely a factor in windy FF. The women's Dome is up on a 
ridge and sometimes in the morning, I walk from the parking lot clutching my 
hood tightly on my head. I'm a wimp!


What I notice about Iowa weather is that it's more erratic now, more sudden 
and dramatic changes. and about 20 years ago we had snow on May 1!




On Monday, December 9, 2013 3:46 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
 
  
I just got back from my walk which I usually take in the morning but decided 
to wait until it warmed up a bit.  According to local news it is the coldest 
day so far in this cold snap.  It is in the low 40s right now but clear 
skies and sun.  At the house it felt warmer than around the corner at the 
park where apparently a wind was coming down the valley creating a wind 
chill.

When I first
  moved 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ice Krispies

[authfriend]

Here, listen to some real music:
 

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKcL6BZXcV4 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKcL6BZXcV4

 

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELEq1MA8m8Q 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELEq1MA8m8Q

 

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IUM-ropDro 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IUM-ropDro

 

 And the 2001 music:
 

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Szdziw4tI9o 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Szdziw4tI9o

 

 Share wrote:
 
   hey noozguru, I listened to the Sunshine adagio again. My music education 
   is very limited but I think I caught the piano at 2:02. Yes, it's 
   beautiful.   

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ice Krispies

[authfriend]

Again, the order of the URLs and the order of the embedded videos are 
different. Annoying!
 

 See below for which URL belongs to which video.

  Here, listen to some real music: 
 

 Schumann
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKcL6BZXcV4 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKcL6BZXcV4

 

 Schubert
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELEq1MA8m8Q 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELEq1MA8m8Q

 

 Chopin

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IUM-ropDro 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IUM-ropDro

 

 And the 2001 music:
 

 Strauss
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Szdziw4tI9o 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Szdziw4tI9o

 

 Share wrote:
 
   hey noozguru, I listened to the Sunshine adagio again. My music education 
   is very limited but I think I caught the piano at 2:02. Yes, it's 
   beautiful.   


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ice Krispies

[Share Long]

Thanks for these, Judy. I'll listen tomorrow morning when I'm fresher. Mostly 
I'm familiar with classical music I've encountered via other media. For 
example, Pachobel's Canon in D from TMO videos; Baroque music, which I love, 
from Zefferelli's Romeo and Juliet; Debussey's Claire de Lune from Twilight; 
Rachmaninoff's 2nd Concerto from Ayn Rand's The Fountainhead. 

Post WWII music came into my life when my sister and I went to live with our 
Mom. She played musicals like South Pacific and Gigi; instrumentals from Frank 
Chatsfield and Montavani; the vocals of Frank Sinatra and Johnny Mathis.





On Wednesday, December 11, 2013 4:52 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com 
authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  
Again, the order of the URLs and the order of the embedded videos are 
different. Annoying!

See below for which URL belongs to which video.


 Here, listen to some real music: 

Schumann
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKcL6BZXcV4


Schubert
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELEq1MA8m8Q


Chopin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IUM-ropDro


And the 2001 music:

Strauss
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Szdziw4tI9o


Share wrote:


  hey noozguru, I listened to the Sunshine adagio again. My music education 
  is very limited but I think I caught the piano at 2:02. Yes, it's 
  beautiful.   

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ice Krispies

[emilymaenot]

Thank you Judy!  Merry Christmas!  It took me at least 12 hours of classical 
music to get over my one horrific punk rock post.  This may complete my 
penance.  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ice Krispies

[authfriend]

Enjoy. There's plenty more where these came from. ;-)
 

 Emily wrote:

  Thank you Judy!  Merry Christmas!  It took me at least 12 hours of 
  classical music to get over my one horrific punk rock post.  This may 
  complete my penance.  
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ice Krispies

[Share Long]

noozguru, that's definitely a vata vitiating movie. I feel cold just 
remembering some of the images in it. Good to watch in the summer. I enjoyed it 
though.

I'm thinking that humans are a part of the ecosystem. But maybe the diseased 
part!





On Monday, December 9, 2013 5:55 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
 
  
We may be enjoying The Day After Tomorrow for real.  Earth has it's own 
ecosystem correction mechanism and humans be damned!

On 12/09/2013 02:08 PM, Share Long wrote:

  
noozguru, I've definitely gotten more sensitive to the cold as I've gotten 
older. Even though I guess I'm still pure pitta! And of course I sit a lot 
when I'm at the computer so that doesn't help though there's a radiator only 
about 2 feet from the desk. I love to put my gloves on the radiator by the 
front door when I come in. And my socks on the radiator upstairs, especially 
if they've gotten wet. 


Wind chill is definitely a factor in windy FF. The women's Dome is up on a 
ridge and sometimes in the morning, I walk from the parking lot clutching my 
hood tightly on my head. I'm a wimp!


What I notice about Iowa weather is that it's more erratic now, more sudden 
and dramatic changes. and about 20 years ago we had snow on May 1!




On Monday, December 9, 2013 3:46 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
 
  
I just got back from my walk which I usually take in the morning but decided 
to wait until it warmed up a bit.  According to local news it is the coldest 
day so far in this cold snap.  It is in the low 40s right now but clear skies 
and sun.  At the house it felt warmer than around the corner at the park where 
apparently a wind was coming down the valley creating a wind chill.

When I first moved here in the 1990s
  the only real cold days were in
  January and might only last for a
  week.  Now it starts in early
  November.  I go from shorts and a
  t-shirt, skip over the warm-up suit
  (mainly wind breaker stuff) and to the
  flannel warmups.

On 12/09/2013 12:23 PM, Share Long
  wrote:

  
noozguru, according to cnn weather it's currently -8 in Fairfield. But the 
sun is shining so that helps a little. Farmers Almanac, with an 86% accuracy 
rate, is predicting a winter of piercing cold. But I don't know if that's for 
all the country or just a portion.






On Monday, December 9, 2013 2:06 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
 
  
Enjoying the new ice age? It was down in the mid-20s overnight here. 
Any below 0's
  on FFL?

It's been
  almost 10
  years since
  this article
  was posted:
http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2004/02/09/360120/

More or less
  based on local
  research:
http://www.sfgate.com/green/article/Pentagon-sponsored-climate-report-sparks-2791555.php

And more
  recently the
  bigger
  surprise:
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/11/24/scientists-wonder-what-the-weakest-solar-cycle-in-50-years-means-for-eath/

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ice Krispies

[Bhairitu]

One of my favorite sci-fi films is Sunshine by Danny Boyle.  In that 
film the Sun is dying and a crew on a space craft is traveling there to 
launch a nuclear device to re-ignite it.  It's also where John Murphy's 
Adagio in D minor made it's debut.


On 12/10/2013 04:44 AM, Share Long wrote:
noozguru, that's definitely a vata vitiating movie. I feel cold just 
remembering some of the images in it. Good to watch in the summer. I 
enjoyed it though.


I'm thinking that humans are a part of the ecosystem. But maybe the 
diseased part!




On Monday, December 9, 2013 5:55 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net 
wrote:
We may be enjoying The Day After Tomorrow for real.  Earth has it's 
own ecosystem correction mechanism and humans be damned!


On 12/09/2013 02:08 PM, Share Long wrote:
noozguru, I've definitely gotten more sensitive to the cold as I've 
gotten older. Even though I guess I'm still pure pitta! And of course 
I sit a lot when I'm at the computer so that doesn't help though 
there's a radiator only about 2 feet from the desk. I love to put my 
gloves on the radiator by the front door when I come in. And my socks 
on the radiator upstairs, especially if they've gotten wet.


Wind chill is definitely a factor in windy FF. The women's Dome is up 
on a ridge and sometimes in the morning, I walk from the parking lot 
clutching my hood tightly on my head. I'm a wimp!


What I notice about Iowa weather is that it's more erratic now, more 
sudden and dramatic changes. and about 20 years ago we had snow on May 1!



On Monday, December 9, 2013 3:46 PM, Bhairitu 
noozg...@sbcglobal.net mailto:noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
I just got back from my walk which I usually take in the morning but 
decided to wait until it warmed up a bit. According to local news it 
is the coldest day so far in this cold snap.  It is in the low 40s 
right now but clear skies and sun.  At the house it felt warmer than 
around the corner at the park where apparently a wind was coming down 
the valley creating a wind chill.


When I first moved here in the 1990s the only real cold days were in 
January and might only last for a week.  Now it starts in early 
November.  I go from shorts and a t-shirt, skip over the warm-up suit 
(mainly wind breaker stuff) and to the flannel warmups.


On 12/09/2013 12:23 PM, Share Long wrote:
noozguru, according to cnn weather it's currently -8 in Fairfield. 
But the sun is shining so that helps a little. Farmers Almanac, with 
an 86% accuracy rate, is predicting a winter of piercing cold. But I 
don't know if that's for all the country or just a portion.




On Monday, December 9, 2013 2:06 PM, Bhairitu 
noozg...@sbcglobal.net mailto:noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

Enjoying the new ice age? It was down in the mid-20s overnight here.
Any below 0's on FFL?

It's been almost 10 years since this article was posted:
http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2004/02/09/360120/

More or less based on local research:
http://www.sfgate.com/green/article/Pentagon-sponsored-climate-report-sparks-2791555.php

And more recently the bigger surprise:
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/11/24/scientists-wonder-what-the-weakest-solar-cycle-in-50-years-means-for-eath/

[FairfieldLife] Ice Krispies

[Bhairitu]

Enjoying the new ice age?  It was down in the mid-20s overnight here.  
Any below 0's on FFL?

It's been almost 10 years since this article was posted:
http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2004/02/09/360120/

More or less based on local research:
http://www.sfgate.com/green/article/Pentagon-sponsored-climate-report-sparks-2791555.php

And more recently the bigger surprise:
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/11/24/scientists-wonder-what-the-weakest-solar-cycle-in-50-years-means-for-eath/

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ice Krispies

[Share Long]

noozguru, according to cnn weather it's currently -8 in Fairfield. But the sun 
is shining so that helps a little. Farmers Almanac, with an 86% accuracy rate, 
is predicting a winter of piercing cold. But I don't know if that's for all the 
country or just a portion.





On Monday, December 9, 2013 2:06 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
 
  
Enjoying the new ice age?  It was down in the mid-20s overnight here. 
Any below 0's on FFL?

It's been almost 10 years since this article was posted:
http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2004/02/09/360120/

More or less based on local research:
http://www.sfgate.com/green/article/Pentagon-sponsored-climate-report-sparks-2791555.php

And more recently the bigger surprise:
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/11/24/scientists-wonder-what-the-weakest-solar-cycle-in-50-years-means-for-eath/

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ice Krispies

[Bhairitu]

I just got back from my walk which I usually take in the morning but 
decided to wait until it warmed up a bit.  According to local news it is 
the coldest day so far in this cold snap.  It is in the low 40s right 
now but clear skies and sun.  At the house it felt warmer than around 
the corner at the park where apparently a wind was coming down the 
valley creating a wind chill.


When I first moved here in the 1990s the only real cold days were in 
January and might only last for a week.  Now it starts in early 
November.  I go from shorts and a t-shirt, skip over the warm-up suit 
(mainly wind breaker stuff) and to the flannel warmups.


On 12/09/2013 12:23 PM, Share Long wrote:
noozguru, according to cnn weather it's currently -8 in Fairfield. But 
the sun is shining so that helps a little. Farmers Almanac, with an 
86% accuracy rate, is predicting a winter of piercing cold. But I 
don't know if that's for all the country or just a portion.




On Monday, December 9, 2013 2:06 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net 
wrote:

Enjoying the new ice age? It was down in the mid-20s overnight here.
Any below 0's on FFL?

It's been almost 10 years since this article was posted:
http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2004/02/09/360120/

More or less based on local research:
http://www.sfgate.com/green/article/Pentagon-sponsored-climate-report-sparks-2791555.php

And more recently the bigger surprise:
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/11/24/scientists-wonder-what-the-weakest-solar-cycle-in-50-years-means-for-eath/

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ice Krispies

[Share Long]

noozguru, I've definitely gotten more sensitive to the cold as I've gotten 
older. Even though I guess I'm still pure pitta! And of course I sit a lot when 
I'm at the computer so that doesn't help though there's a radiator only about 2 
feet from the desk. I love to put my gloves on the radiator by the front door 
when I come in. And my socks on the radiator upstairs, especially if they've 
gotten wet. 

Wind chill is definitely a factor in windy FF. The women's Dome is up on a 
ridge and sometimes in the morning, I walk from the parking lot clutching my 
hood tightly on my head. I'm a wimp!

What I notice about Iowa weather is that it's more erratic now, more sudden and 
dramatic changes. and about 20 years ago we had snow on May 1!




On Monday, December 9, 2013 3:46 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
 
  
I just got back from my walk which I usually take in the morning but decided to 
wait until it warmed up a bit.  According to local news it is the coldest day 
so far in this cold snap.  It is in the low 40s right now but clear skies and 
sun.  At the house it felt warmer than around the corner at the park where 
apparently a wind was coming down the valley creating a wind chill.

When I first moved here in the 1990s the only real cold days were
  in January and might only last for a week.  Now it starts in early
  November.  I go from shorts and a t-shirt, skip over the warm-up
  suit (mainly wind breaker stuff) and to the flannel warmups.

On 12/09/2013 12:23 PM, Share Long wrote:

  
noozguru, according to cnn weather it's currently -8 in Fairfield. But the sun 
is shining so that helps a little. Farmers Almanac, with an 86% accuracy rate, 
is predicting a winter of piercing cold. But I don't know if that's for all 
the country or just a portion.






On Monday, December 9, 2013 2:06 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
 
  
Enjoying the new ice age? It was down in the mid-20s overnight here. 
Any below 0's on FFL?

It's been almost 10 years since this
  article was posted:
http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2004/02/09/360120/

More or less based on local research:
http://www.sfgate.com/green/article/Pentagon-sponsored-climate-report-sparks-2791555.php

And more recently the bigger surprise:
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/11/24/scientists-wonder-what-the-weakest-solar-cycle-in-50-years-means-for-eath/

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ice Krispies

[Bhairitu]

We may be enjoying The Day After Tomorrow for real.  Earth has it's 
own ecosystem correction mechanism and humans be damned!


On 12/09/2013 02:08 PM, Share Long wrote:
noozguru, I've definitely gotten more sensitive to the cold as I've 
gotten older. Even though I guess I'm still pure pitta! And of course 
I sit a lot when I'm at the computer so that doesn't help though 
there's a radiator only about 2 feet from the desk. I love to put my 
gloves on the radiator by the front door when I come in. And my socks 
on the radiator upstairs, especially if they've gotten wet.


Wind chill is definitely a factor in windy FF. The women's Dome is up 
on a ridge and sometimes in the morning, I walk from the parking lot 
clutching my hood tightly on my head. I'm a wimp!


What I notice about Iowa weather is that it's more erratic now, more 
sudden and dramatic changes. and about 20 years ago we had snow on May 1!



On Monday, December 9, 2013 3:46 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net 
wrote:
I just got back from my walk which I usually take in the morning but 
decided to wait until it warmed up a bit.  According to local news it 
is the coldest day so far in this cold snap.  It is in the low 40s 
right now but clear skies and sun.  At the house it felt warmer than 
around the corner at the park where apparently a wind was coming down 
the valley creating a wind chill.


When I first moved here in the 1990s the only real cold days were in 
January and might only last for a week.  Now it starts in early 
November.  I go from shorts and a t-shirt, skip over the warm-up suit 
(mainly wind breaker stuff) and to the flannel warmups.


On 12/09/2013 12:23 PM, Share Long wrote:
noozguru, according to cnn weather it's currently -8 in Fairfield. 
But the sun is shining so that helps a little. Farmers Almanac, with 
an 86% accuracy rate, is predicting a winter of piercing cold. But I 
don't know if that's for all the country or just a portion.




On Monday, December 9, 2013 2:06 PM, Bhairitu 
noozg...@sbcglobal.net mailto:noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

Enjoying the new ice age? It was down in the mid-20s overnight here.
Any below 0's on FFL?

It's been almost 10 years since this article was posted:
http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2004/02/09/360120/

More or less based on local research:
http://www.sfgate.com/green/article/Pentagon-sponsored-climate-report-sparks-2791555.php

And more recently the bigger surprise:
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/11/24/scientists-wonder-what-the-weakest-solar-cycle-in-50-years-means-for-eath/