[FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I always thought Bevan was gay. Sal Some where in the archives, in the mid eight thousands, is a less than charitable post lsiting twelve ladies whose eggs Bevan is supposed to have covered; a selfless accomplishment for a friend of Dorothy. I'm not sure I get the reference to a friend of Dorothy, but the use of the term covered had me LOL. :-) Dorothy as in Wizard of Oz as in Judy Garland, I believe. I Googled it, and this seems unclear. It could just as easily have been Dorothy Parker, with her circle of gay friends at the Algonquin in New York, or Dorothy King, with a similar circle of friends in Oscar Wilde's time. Wherever it originated, it seems to have been a closeted shorthand for, Are you gay? It's more likely to be the Judy Garland connection because, as everyone knows, gays like lavish Broadway musicals and Judy Garland was the Queen of Broadway... But the term predates Judy Garland. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 9/26/05 6:32 PM, jyouells2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 9/26/05 1:30 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...and it is on this very point that I was intrigued to see that John had appeared in the What the *$#$ movie, as it was produced by a controversial teaching and that he appears with other teachers, etc. John appears to be a fairly hot commodity on the New Age circuit, sharing the podium with Neale Donald Walsch, Maryanne Williamson, and the like. I hope he's keeping the speakers fees... He is one of the few Westerners in the TMO who is paid real wages by the TMO - in the neighborhood of $110K as I recall. I knew that Rick, but I figure when Maharishi passes the nephews will tighten the financial reigns even more. Sounds like there maybe another fatwa or three in the future What specific power do the nephews hold? They are on the board of directors of most of the TM organizations. In all the listings that I have seen at least one of them is on every board. JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I always thought Bevan was gay. Sal Some where in the archives, in the mid eight thousands, is a less than charitable post lsiting twelve ladies whose eggs Bevan is supposed to have covered; a selfless accomplishment for a friend of Dorothy. I'm not sure I get the reference to a friend of Dorothy, but the use of the term covered had me LOL. :-) Dorothy as in Wizard of Oz as in Judy Garland, I believe. I Googled it, and this seems unclear. It could just as easily have been Dorothy Parker, with her circle of gay friends at the Algonquin in New York, or Dorothy King, with a similar circle of friends in Oscar Wilde's time. These days, it's Dorothy as in Wizard of Oz as in Judy Garland. Wherever it originated, it seems to have been a closeted shorthand for, Are you gay? duh Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 9/26/05 6:32 PM, jyouells2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 9/26/05 1:30 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...and it is on this very point that I was intrigued to see that John had appeared in the What the *$#$ movie, as it was produced by a controversial teaching and that he appears with other teachers, etc. John appears to be a fairly hot commodity on the New Age circuit, sharing the podium with Neale Donald Walsch, Maryanne Williamson, and the like. I hope he's keeping the speakers fees... He is one of the few Westerners in the TMO who is paid real wages by the TMO - in the neighborhood of $110K as I recall. I knew that Rick, but I figure when Maharishi passes the nephews will tighten the financial reigns even more. Sounds like there maybe another fatwa or three in the future What specific power do the nephews hold? They are on the board of directors of most of the TM organizations. In all the listings that I have seen at least one of them is on every board. Pretty powerful, but are they dictators or can they be overruled? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] So you think that the TM leadership is supposed to be better than everyone else? Wow, is that a long way around, just for 'leveling'. No just better than unethical, immoral and illegal. so you DO expect more of TMO leadership on the moral/ethical level than you do of other people... Yes I do, don't you? I certainly don't expect them to behave less ethically than most responsible people. They are promoting a program that promises 'ideal behavior in accord with all the laws of nature'. Their behavior reflects on the teaching that they represent. To say nothing about the effects on the lives they influence directly. Ethical business behavior would be a step up. It's not about the sex per se. Sure sounds like it given how you've complained about it. Well, even if I don't express it clearly in writing, it's not about the sex per se, it's about ethics, and honesty and how that effects both the teaching and the organiztion that supposedly represents that teaching. [I just can't see how having sex with married women can be defended as appropriate behavior (unless the couple agrees it's OK). I'd certainly advise my daughters against it. It falls under 'averting the pain that has not yet come'] I never said otherwise. However, assuming that the sex is consensual and doesn't interfere with duties to be performed, it gets pretty old trying to prosecute adultery and simple fooling around. I've seen research that says that roughly 40% of all women in committed relationships fool around on the side. Likewise with 60% of all men in such relationships. Who you gonna call to be judge, jury etc? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] So you think that the TM leadership is supposed to be better than everyone else? Wow, is that a long way around, just for 'leveling'. No just better than unethical, immoral and illegal. so you DO expect more of TMO leadership on the moral/ethical level than you do of other people... Yes I do, don't you? I certainly don't expect them to behave less ethically than most responsible people. They are promoting a program that promises 'ideal behavior in accord with all the laws of nature'. Their behavior reflects on the teaching that they represent. To say nothing about the effects on the lives they influence directly. Ethical business behavior would be a step up. It's not about the sex per se. Sure sounds like it given how you've complained about it. Well, even if I don't express it clearly in writing, it's not about the sex per se, it's about ethics, and honesty and how that effects both the teaching and the organiztion that supposedly represents that teaching. [I just can't see how having sex with married women can be defended as appropriate behavior (unless the couple agrees it's OK). I'd certainly advise my daughters against it. It falls under 'averting the pain that has not yet come'] I never said otherwise. However, assuming that the sex is consensual and doesn't interfere with duties to be performed, it gets pretty old trying to prosecute adultery and simple fooling around. I've seen research that says that roughly 40% of all women in committed relationships fool around on the side. Likewise with 60% of all men in such relationships. Who you gonna call to be judge, jury etc? No one needs to be the judge, both the 'His Excelencies' know what they're doing. What part of 'spontaneous right action in accord with all the laws of nature' is unclear. I give up - I guess it's just part of the 'we've been screwed' package. When did you say the pundits were arriving again? They're staying at King Tony's house? No kidding! JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bad ju-ju. Wouldn't touch it. There you go with your anti-semetic remarks again. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] What specific power do the nephews hold? They are on the board of directors of most of the TM organizations. In all the listings that I have seen at least one of them is on every board. Pretty powerful, but are they dictators or can they be overruled? It will be interesting to watch the machiavellian battles after MMY dies. Given the damn democracy attitude of the mov't, I expect lots of power politics, not consensus decision making. Tony is king, but I doubt has much real power, ie, control over money. Most of the assets are now in India and the nephews will surely rule as dictators there. Maybe Bevan, Hagelin and Wynne share vedic city as their domain, though Varma is listed as the key financial guy there as well. Hagelin is now the main fund raiser in the US which grants him powerful status, but I wonder how much money he can raise after MMY goes. MMY has handed out a lot of crowns, but it's who he gives bank account signatory powers to that's the key. I don't see any of the rajs or lieutenants or even the King rising as some kind of successor to MMY with similar spiritual-paternal authority and status. IT will also be interesting to see how the TBs react when MMY goes and there's no clear successor authority figure to surrender to You make an excellent point with regard to who has power over the movement's finances. However, I'm not sure how MMY could have made it any *more* clear whom he has designated as his *spiritual* successor. Whether that sticks once push comes to shove is another issue entirely. I've suggested before that the whole recert and raja hoo-hah was intended to prune the movement down to a small core of people whose loyalty was rock-solid so that it could be cleanly passed on to King Tony, avoiding at least any controversy over MMY's spiritual successor. Whether financial control ultimately trumps spiritual control remains to be seen. It could well happen if the spiritual loyalty of the second-tier Big Deals turns out to have been mere lip service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] What specific power do the nephews hold? They are on the board of directors of most of the TM organizations. In all the listings that I have seen at least one of them is on every board. Pretty powerful, but are they dictators or can they be overruled? It will be interesting to watch the machiavellian battles after MMY dies. Given the damn democracy attitude of the mov't, I expect lots of power politics, not consensus decision making. Tony is king, but I doubt has much real power, ie, control over money. Most of the assets are now in India and the nephews will surely rule as dictators there. Maybe Bevan, Hagelin and Wynne share vedic city as their domain, though Varma is listed as the key financial guy there as well. Hagelin is now the main fund raiser in the US which grants him powerful status, but I wonder how much money he can raise after MMY goes. MMY has handed out a lot of crowns, but it's who he gives bank account signatory powers to that's the key. I don't see any of the rajs or lieutenants or even the King rising as some kind of successor to MMY with similar spiritual-paternal authority and status. IT will also be interesting to see how the TBs react when MMY goes and there's no clear successor authority figure to surrender to and the mov't is still nowhere close to saving their world as promised. I occasionally check into other guru-chatgroups where this has already happened and it's enlightening. The yogananda TBs are still struggling with why their mov't isn't the dominant religion of the New Age as promised and coming up with bizarre rationalizations to explain away continual reports of corruption within the org. by the Mothers who now in charge. That's interesting - they're still clinging after all this time... I spent a few hours about a year ago looking through many of the TM websites in India (at least the ones in English). What struck me the most was how many of them were mixed in with for-profit business ventures: vertical software for schools, accounting etc. JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] What specific power do the nephews hold? They are on the board of directors of most of the TM organizations. In all the listings that I have seen at least one of them is on every board. Pretty powerful, but are they dictators or can they be overruled? It will be interesting to watch the machiavellian battles after MMY dies. Given the damn democracy attitude of the mov't, I expect lots of power politics, not consensus decision making. Tony is king, but I doubt has much real power, ie, control over money. Most of the assets are now in India and the nephews will surely rule as dictators there. Maybe Bevan, Hagelin and Wynne share vedic city as their domain, though Varma is listed as the key financial guy there as well. Hagelin is now the main fund raiser in the US which grants him powerful status, but I wonder how much money he can raise after MMY goes. MMY has handed out a lot of crowns, but it's who he gives bank account signatory powers to that's the key. I don't see any of the rajs or lieutenants or even the King rising as some kind of successor to MMY with similar spiritual-paternal authority and status. IT will also be interesting to see how the TBs react when MMY goes and there's no clear successor authority figure to surrender to You make an excellent point with regard to who has power over the movement's finances. However, I'm not sure how MMY could have made it any *more* clear whom he has designated as his *spiritual* successor. Whether that sticks once push comes to shove is another issue entirely. I've suggested before that the whole recert and raja hoo-hah was intended to prune the movement down to a small core of people whose loyalty was rock-solid so that it could be cleanly passed on to King Tony, avoiding at least any controversy over MMY's spiritual successor. Whether financial control ultimately trumps spiritual control remains to be seen. It could well happen if the spiritual loyalty of the second-tier Big Deals turns out to have been mere lip service. Judy, The king and rajas will disappear overnight without money behind them. The bank accounts and trade/service marks will mark continuity. When was the last time you heard King Tony on a topic that wasn't ceremonial? JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The king and rajas will disappear overnight without money behind them. The bank accounts and trade/service marks will mark continuity. When was the last time you heard King Tony on a topic that wasn't ceremonial? Tony will be supported as king as long as the west meets specific profit targets. Like any CEO. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] What specific power do the nephews hold? They are on the board of directors of most of the TM organizations. In all the listings that I have seen at least one of them is on every board. Pretty powerful, but are they dictators or can they be overruled? It will be interesting to watch the machiavellian battles after MMY dies. Given the damn democracy attitude of the mov't, I expect lots of power politics, not consensus decision making. Tony is king, but I doubt has much real power, ie, control over money. Most of the assets are now in India and the nephews will surely rule as dictators there. Maybe Bevan, Hagelin and Wynne share vedic city as their domain, though Varma is listed as the key financial guy there as well. Hagelin is now the main fund raiser in the US which grants him powerful status, but I wonder how much money he can raise after MMY goes. MMY has handed out a lot of crowns, but it's who he gives bank account signatory powers to that's the key. I don't see any of the rajs or lieutenants or even the King rising as some kind of successor to MMY with similar spiritual-paternal authority and status. IT will also be interesting to see how the TBs react when MMY goes and there's no clear successor authority figure to surrender to You make an excellent point with regard to who has power over the movement's finances. However, I'm not sure how MMY could have made it any *more* clear whom he has designated as his *spiritual* successor. Whether that sticks once push comes to shove is another issue entirely. I've suggested before that the whole recert and raja hoo-hah was intended to prune the movement down to a small core of people whose loyalty was rock-solid so that it could be cleanly passed on to King Tony, avoiding at least any controversy over MMY's spiritual successor. Whether financial control ultimately trumps spiritual control remains to be seen. It could well happen if the spiritual loyalty of the second-tier Big Deals turns out to have been mere lip service. Judy, The king and rajas will disappear overnight without money behind them. The bank accounts and trade/service marks will mark continuity. When was the last time you heard King Tony on a topic that wasn't ceremonial? JohnY The TMO has run its course. It was a gift for those of us in the 1970's and 80's. It has now devolved into a parody of its former self and will be gone after MMY's death. All the money will be sucked back into India. All loans will go into default and properties will be siezed including MUM. Everything will be transcended! Not a thing will be left. It'll be a cloudless sunny day Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bad ju-ju. Wouldn't touch it. There you go with your anti-semetic remarks again. Who said kite? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ***snip*** Judy, The king and rajas will disappear overnight without money behind them. The bank accounts and trade/service marks will mark continuity. When was the last time you heard King Tony on a topic that wasn't ceremonial? JohnY The TMO has run its course. It was a gift for those of us in the 1970's and 80's. It has now devolved into a parody of its former self and will be gone after MMY's death. All the money will be sucked back into India. All loans will go into default and properties will be siezed including MUM. Everything will be transcended! Not a thing will be left. It'll be a cloudless sunny day You may be right and maybe it's for the best. It's less than a fatwa away. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The king and rajas will disappear overnight without money behind them. The bank accounts and trade/service marks will mark continuity. When was the last time you heard King Tony on a topic that wasn't ceremonial? Tony will be supported as king as long as the west meets specific profit targets. Like any CEO. Big Ironic Smile ;-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip You make an excellent point with regard to who has power over the movement's finances. However, I'm not sure how MMY could have made it any *more* clear whom he has designated as his *spiritual* successor. Whether that sticks once push comes to shove is another issue entirely. I've suggested before that the whole recert and raja hoo-hah was intended to prune the movement down to a small core of people whose loyalty was rock-solid so that it could be cleanly passed on to King Tony, avoiding at least any controversy over MMY's spiritual successor. Whether financial control ultimately trumps spiritual control remains to be seen. It could well happen if the spiritual loyalty of the second-tier Big Deals turns out to have been mere lip service. Judy, The king and rajas will disappear overnight without money behind them. The bank accounts and trade/service marks will mark continuity. When was the last time you heard King Tony on a topic that wasn't ceremonial? Could well be. All depends on what's going on behind the scenes, including, as I suggested, how deep the *spiritual* loyalty is of the folks who have control of the purse strings. As to King Tony, it's not impossible--though probably unlikely--that his current restriction to the ceremonial role is only a function of MMY still being around. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, even if I don't express it clearly in writing, it's not about the sex per se, it's about ethics, and honesty and how that effects both the teaching and the organiztion that supposedly represents that teaching. [I just can't see how having sex with married women can be defended as appropriate behavior (unless the couple agrees it's OK). I'd certainly advise my daughters against it. It falls under 'averting the pain that has not yet come'] That's it exactly. Anyone who can't see the potential for causing pain just can't see. In my world view, which admittedly has been warped by my time with Rama and having been systematically trained in ways to see, *everyone* is psychic. It's just that some people pretend not to be. Therefore, in a situation where two people are in a rela- tionship which is assumed to be monogamous and one person in that relationship has sex with someone else, the cheated- on party ALWAYS knows. He or she may *claim* that they don't know, but they ALWAYS know. Therefore, to enter into such a relationship, as the third party, means that you are willing to introduce that stress and tension into two other people's relationship. Bad ju-ju, IMO. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I always thought Bevan was gay. Sal Some where in the archives, in the mid eight thousands, is a less than charitable post lsiting twelve ladies whose eggs Bevan is supposed to have covered; a selfless accomplishment for a friend of Dorothy. I'm not sure I get the reference to a friend of Dorothy, but the use of the term covered had me LOL. :-) Dorothy as in Wizard of Oz as in Judy Garland, I believe. I Googled it, and this seems unclear. It could just as easily have been Dorothy Parker, with her circle of gay friends at the Algonquin in New York, or Dorothy King, with a similar circle of friends in Oscar Wilde's time. These days, it's Dorothy as in Wizard of Oz as in Judy Garland. Try Googling. There are at least two, possibly three generations of gay folks who don't have any idea who Judy Garland is. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I never said otherwise. However, assuming that the sex is consensual and doesn't interfere with duties to be performed, it gets pretty old trying to prosecute adultery and simple fooling around. I've seen research that says that roughly 40% of all women in committed relationships fool around on the side. Likewise with 60% of all men in such relationships. Who you gonna call to be judge, jury etc? You place the call the moment you dip your wick. Who ya gonna call? Karmabusters. It's a heavy-duty karmic patterning IMO, one that has reverberations far beyond what most people see. The numbers don't mean a thing; all that matters in the long run is the series of karmic patterns and samskaras that are generated from the action. I'm an old hippie. There have been periods of my life when I would have fucked mud if it smiled at me. But that was before I got hip to watching karmic patterns and how they tend to work themselves out over time. If your stats are right, IMO 40% of women and 60% of men are setting up some pretty lame future incarnations for themselves. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bad ju-ju. Wouldn't touch it. There you go with your anti-semetic remarks again. I am affronted. And abacked. If it's anti- anything, it's anti-cajun or Jamaican. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I always thought Bevan was gay. Sal Some where in the archives, in the mid eight thousands, is a less than charitable post lsiting twelve ladies whose eggs Bevan is supposed to have covered; a selfless accomplishment for a friend of Dorothy. I'm not sure I get the reference to a friend of Dorothy, but the use of the term covered had me LOL. :-) Dorothy as in Wizard of Oz as in Judy Garland, I believe. I Googled it, and this seems unclear. It could just as easily have been Dorothy Parker, with her circle of gay friends at the Algonquin in New York, or Dorothy King, with a similar circle of friends in Oscar Wilde's time. These days, it's Dorothy as in Wizard of Oz as in Judy Garland. Try Googling. There are at least two, possibly three generations of gay folks who don't have any idea who Judy Garland is. guffaw Right, Barry. And of course they've never seen The Wizard of Oz either. So what modern Dorothy do you imagine they're referring to? In any case, your original claim was that it referred to an *earlier* Dorothy, not a later one. Fortunately there's little need for such a code phrase any more. Let's hope one day nobody even remembers what it means. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, even if I don't express it clearly in writing, it's not about the sex per se, it's about ethics, and honesty and how that effects both the teaching and the organiztion that supposedly represents that teaching. [I just can't see how having sex with married women can be defended as appropriate behavior (unless the couple agrees it's OK). I'd certainly advise my daughters against it. It falls under 'averting the pain that has not yet come'] That's it exactly. Anyone who can't see the potential for causing pain just can't see. In my world view, which admittedly has been warped by my time with Rama and having been systematically trained in ways to see, *everyone* is psychic. It's just that some people pretend not to be. Therefore, in a situation where two people are in a rela- tionship which is assumed to be monogamous and one person in that relationship has sex with someone else, the cheated- on party ALWAYS knows. He or she may *claim* that they don't know, but they ALWAYS know. Therefore, to enter into such a relationship, as the third party, means that you are willing to introduce that stress and tension into two other people's relationship. Bad ju-ju, IMO. Yup, what he said. All this justification of possibly Maharishi's, Bevan's and Haglin's behavior - I just don't get it. You wouldn't expect that stuff from your friends, or business associates, or even honorable enemies. JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I *don't* care. But some do. And they feel that having leaders of the movement that they were part of for so long who consistently violate their *own* rules might bring the validity of that movement into question. Then they expect more of the TMO leadership then they expect of most other people. I give up. I'm trying to get you to see that this is rather an emotional issue for a lot of people here, in ways that it is NOT an emotional issue for you because you haven't put your money where your mouth is in the way that they have. A lot of these people put their asses on the line for Maharishi and for TM. They spent decades of their lives and tens of thousands of dollars (if not more) of their own money teaching TM and trying their best to present its benefits to as many people as possible. They *should* expect more from the TMO leadership. Why? The TMO isn't a church, despite what many want to believe. They should expect *at least* the same dedication to the teachings that they displayed in their lives. I would say that John Hagelin, who gave up a promising career as a physicist to play I wanna be President games, was showing a lot more dedication than many who complain about his apparently consenting relationships with adult women. They *should* expect that people who stand up in front of the world and claim that practicing TM will result in ideal behavior (or, even more tin-foil-hattish, claim that a bunch of TMers who are bouncing on their butts somewhere will do it even if you don't practice TM) should demonstrate *some* semblance of ideal behavior in their lives. Actually, I don't think that that is the claim, but if you do, that's an interesting bit of projection on YOUR part given you experience with various gurus. They should expect *exemplary* behavior. Why? We all WANT exemplary behavior, but to expect it? Perhaps you don't feel these things to be a betrayal of any kind. Many people here do. And I wnated to know why. A few days ago I did nothing more than suggest that children are no more entitled to decent treatment than any other human being, and you reacted to that by trying to insinuate that I was drunk and/or a sociopath. Actually, you said quite clearly that non-consensual sex with children was no worse than non-consensual sex with adults. You actually *felt* something about that issue, and you felt threatened enough to lose your cool about it and drop into attack mode when your buttons were pushed. You obviously felt at the time that anyone who couldn't see things your way was drunk or a sociopath or deluded or something. Still do. Protection of children, especially from sexual preditors, is a pretty universal thing to expect, at least in Western societies. For someone from a Western society to argue otherwise suggests a lot of things. And then you have the nerve to ask FFL posters WHY they are a bit upset at the hypocritical, lying behavior of the people who now represent the movement that the posters made sacrifices for for decades, the movement they gave their hearts and minds and lives to? Grow up. So you think that the TM leadership is supposed to be better than everyone else? I gave up. Argue with yourself. That's what you're doing anyway. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
In a message dated 9/25/05 7:31:35 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: he does take email questions, for every press conference! Maharishi Mahesh Yogi E-mail Address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Personal Address: MVU Station 24 Vlodrop 6063 NP The Netherlands now, do you dare send it???What would be the down side if I did? I couldha, as if it would make a difference, wouldn't get past Hagelin.snip Billy G is right , MMY would never see the e-mail, too negative. LOL! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So you think that the TM leadership is supposed to be better than everyone else? The talks by TM leadership unequivically state that the practice of MMY's programs by an individual create ideal behavior and total support of the laws of nature leading to the inability to make a mistake and unlimited progress and success and on the broader level invincibility to the nation, heaven on earth, and the elimination of all problems on earth and so on, and I do mean there's even more. All of this happens in a very short period of time, or within a few weeks if only gov't would implement the programs. This is not only promised, it is said to scientific fact. Given the above statements, you might look to the effect of these programs on the lives of the people who have been practicing them the longest and with the most dedication to verify the claims. You would also look to the organization itself to gauge the broader societal promises. If there's a large discrepency, then that's called hypocrisy. It's amazing that TBs don't expect MMY's programs to actually work for themselves or their organization, but somehow they are still the key to saving the world if only more money were raised. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I always thought Bevan was gay. Sal Some where in the archives, in the mid eight thousands, is a less than charitable post lsiting twelve ladies whose eggs Bevan is supposed to have covered; a selfless accomplishment for a friend of Dorothy. Uns. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
snip Do you think that Bevan and John engage in lecentious behavior and why do you care? Well, they do or they did. That is quite well known. However your last question, if phrased, ...why do we care? is very interesting if not used simply as a defensive posture. Why do we care? Why do we hold Bevan, John and MMY accountable to a certain standard? It is apparently much more of an idealized fantasy that we have than an authentic need that they have Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I *don't* care. But some do. And they feel that having leaders of the movement that they were part of for so long who consistently violate their *own* rules might bring the validity of that movement into question. Then they expect more of the TMO leadership then they expect of most other people. I give up. I'm trying to get you to see that this is rather an emotional issue for a lot of people here, in ways that it is NOT an emotional issue for you because you haven't put your money where your mouth is in the way that they have. A lot of these people put their asses on the line for Maharishi and for TM. They spent decades of their lives and tens of thousands of dollars (if not more) of their own money teaching TM and trying their best to present its benefits to as many people as possible. They *should* expect more from the TMO leadership. Why? The TMO isn't a church, despite what many want to believe. They should expect *at least* the same dedication to the teachings that they displayed in their lives. I would say that John Hagelin, who gave up a promising career as a physicist to play I wanna be President games, was showing a lot more dedication than many who complain about his apparently consenting relationships with adult women. They *should* expect that people who stand up in front of the world and claim that practicing TM will result in ideal behavior (or, even more tin-foil-hattish, claim that a bunch of TMers who are bouncing on their butts somewhere will do it even if you don't practice TM) should demonstrate *some* semblance of ideal behavior in their lives. Actually, I don't think that that is the claim, but if you do, that's an interesting bit of projection on YOUR part given you experience with various gurus. They should expect *exemplary* behavior. Why? We all WANT exemplary behavior, but to expect it? Perhaps you don't feel these things to be a betrayal of any kind. Many people here do. And I wnated to know why. A few days ago I did nothing more than suggest that children are no more entitled to decent treatment than any other human being, and you reacted to that by trying to insinuate that I was drunk and/or a sociopath. Actually, you said quite clearly that non-consensual sex with children was no worse than non-consensual sex with adults. You actually *felt* something about that issue, and you felt threatened enough to lose your cool about it and drop into attack mode when your buttons were pushed. You obviously felt at the time that anyone who couldn't see things your way was drunk or a sociopath or deluded or something. Still do. Protection of children, especially from sexual preditors, is a pretty universal thing to expect, at least in Western societies. For someone from a Western society to argue otherwise suggests a lot of things. And then you have the nerve to ask FFL posters WHY they are a bit upset at the hypocritical, lying behavior of the people who now represent the movement that the posters made sacrifices for for decades, the movement they gave their hearts and minds and lives to? Grow up. So you think that the TM leadership is supposed to be better than everyone else? Wow, is that a long way around, just for 'leveling'. No just better than unethical, immoral and illegal. JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] One one of the website, I found an e-mail address to send questions for the weekly news conferences and expressed my concern on a number of issues in the form of questions. Of course he wasn't going to publicly ask Hagelin or Bevan about their licentious behavior in public or in private. Especially as it seems to be Hagelin who chooses what gets asked. What licentious behavior and why do you care? Bevan and Hagelin are infamous womanizers. They have not limited themselves to single women, they have no scruples, or at least they didn't for a looong time, about whose wife they sleep with. It has been going on for years, it has been talked about for years, it has been hashed and rehashed, it is not rumors, marriages have broken up over it. And no one says anything or cares about it. So why do YOU care? Were you one of the women? One of the men who was cuckolded? Women aren't stupid. They're generally well aware of what kind of guy they are sleeping with by the time they are 18-20 or so. Why is it your concern? It's really not complicated. It's about integrity. Does that lack of integrity spill into what they are teaching? As a leader, do they walk the talk? JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I always thought Bevan was gay. Sal Some where in the archives, in the mid eight thousands, is a less than charitable post lsiting twelve ladies whose eggs Bevan is supposed to have covered; a selfless accomplishment for a friend of Dorothy. I'm not sure I get the reference to a friend of Dorothy, but the use of the term covered had me LOL. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] One one of the website, I found an e-mail address to send questions for the weekly news conferences and expressed my concern on a number of issues in the form of questions. Of course he wasn't going to publicly ask Hagelin or Bevan about their licentious behavior in public or in private. Especially as it seems to be Hagelin who chooses what gets asked. What licentious behavior and why do you care? Why would I care? Hmm, let's see...perhaps because of the unbelievable pompousness of HE the Honorable Dr. Morris when he arrogantly enforces policy that he creates while he seems to feel he is immune from the basics of respectful behavior as in please leave the wives of others alone and stop calling ladies into your office and propositioning them. While it is certainly boorish behavior and I do not support it in the least, the ladies can say no. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Do you think that Bevan and John engage in lecentious behavior and why do you care? Well, they do or they did. That is quite well known. However your last question, if phrased, ...why do we care? is very interesting if not used simply as a defensive posture. Why do we care? Why do we hold Bevan, John and MMY accountable to a certain standard? It is apparently much more of an idealized fantasy that we have than an authentic need that they have Again, I think that the issue is lack of empathy. To the best of my knowledge Sparaig has never had to be held accountable in the TM organization for his everyday behavior, and whether it measures up to some standard for behavior. (Other than the normal rank-and-filer stuff of making sure to hide any behavior that might get you disallowed from attending courses.) We all have. Can you *imagine* what would have happened back in the 70s to a non-International- staff, non-Maharishi's-darling TM teacher who was fooling around sexually to the point of breaking up marriages in his Center? Can you *imagine* what would have happened to a lone TM teacher who put together a campaign to raise money for a specific project and then kept the money and never delivered on the project? Can you *imagine* what would have happened to someone who even failed to wear a suit to one of his introductory lectures, at many points in TM history? We (the former teachers here) were all held to *very* high standards of behavior. Violate them, and you knew that you were history. It would just not have been tolerated. And yet Maharishi's Darlings do stuff we would never have dared to think of, much less do, and everyone knows about it, and nothing happens to them. And MMY himself may be the biggest offender, and no one even has the balls to ask him about it directly. We are talking about an organization that makes some of the most audacious claims ever made in human history about how its programs cause ideal behavior. And at the same time, many of that organization's leaders behave in a manner that *anyone* in the world would consider inappropriate, and far from ideal. And yet True Believers still don't see that there might be a problem with this, or that there might be any hypocrisy involved. Or worse, consider the possibility that they've simply been lied to about the effect of TM and the TM programs, for decades. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
on 9/26/05 2:28 AM, anonymousff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What licentious behavior and why do you care? Bevan and Hagelin are infamous womanizers. They have not limited themselves to single women, they have no scruples, or at least they didn't for a looong time, about whose wife they sleep with. It has been going on for years, it has been talked about for years, it has been hashed and rehashed, it is not rumors, marriages have broken up over it. And no one says anything or cares about it. A friend of mine who is a respected, long-time MUM faculty member said that even recently young coeds have been coming to him in tears, because Hagelin has slept with them and then dumped them. So it still goes on. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
on 9/26/05 3:48 AM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds pretty hypocrtical to me, yes, but why can't you just laugh it off as one of life's little ironies, and move on? If everyone does that, and leaders aren't held accountable for their actions, then the corruption just keeps getting worse. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
on 9/26/05 10:06 AM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why would I care? Hmm, let's see...perhaps because of the unbelievable pompousness of HE the Honorable Dr. Morris when he arrogantly enforces policy that he creates while he seems to feel he is immune from the basics of respectful behavior as in please leave the wives of others alone and stop calling ladies into your office and propositioning them. While it is certainly boorish behavior and I do not support it in the least, the ladies can say no. Yeah, but it's the old thing of a charismatic, powerful man wowing out an impressionable younger woman. Whether or not Monica came on to him, Bill acted irresponsibly. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
On 9/26/05 10:36 AM, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Do you think that Bevan and John engage in lecentious behavior and why do you care? Well, they do or they did. That is quite well known. However your last question, if phrased, ...why do we care? is very interesting if not used simply as a defensive posture. Why do we care? Why do we hold Bevan, John and MMY accountable to a certain standard? It is apparently much more of an idealized fantasy that we have than an authentic need that they have You have indicated before that Dr. H and you were good friends when you were younger. Are you still in touch? I'd wonder his reaction at your embracing of SSRS's teaching. Ain't life interesting? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 9/26/05 2:28 AM, anonymousff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What licentious behavior and why do you care? Bevan and Hagelin are infamous womanizers. They have not limited themselves to single women, they have no scruples, or at least they didn't for a looong time, about whose wife they sleep with. It has been going on for years, it has been talked about for years, it has been hashed and rehashed, it is not rumors, marriages have broken up over it. And no one says anything or cares about it. A friend of mine who is a respected, long-time MUM faculty member said that even recently young coeds have been coming to him in tears, because Hagelin has slept with them and then dumped them. So it still goes on. Lucky bastard. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 9/26/05 10:06 AM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why would I care? Hmm, let's see...perhaps because of the unbelievable pompousness of HE the Honorable Dr. Morris when he arrogantly enforces policy that he creates while he seems to feel he is immune from the basics of respectful behavior as in please leave the wives of others alone and stop calling ladies into your office and propositioning them. While it is certainly boorish behavior and I do not support it in the least, the ladies can say no. Yeah, but it's the old thing of a charismatic, powerful man wowing out an impressionable younger woman. Whether or not Monica came on to him, Bill acted irresponsibly. Obviously, women should lose the vote. They are not full human beings with free choice. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
on 9/26/05 10:40 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/26/05 10:36 AM, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Do you think that Bevan and John engage in lecentious behavior and why do you care? Well, they do or they did. That is quite well known. However your last question, if phrased, ...why do we care? is very interesting if not used simply as a defensive posture. Why do we care? Why do we hold Bevan, John and MMY accountable to a certain standard? It is apparently much more of an idealized fantasy that we have than an authentic need that they have You have indicated before that Dr. H and you were good friends when you were younger. Are you still in touch? I'd wonder his reaction at your embracing of SSRS's teaching. I initiated him (and Peter). We run into each other once in a while. He's always friendly. We shake hands. But we haven't sat down for a talk. I'd like to do that sometime. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 9/26/05 10:40 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/26/05 10:36 AM, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Do you think that Bevan and John engage in lecentious behavior and why do you care? Well, they do or they did. That is quite well known. However your last question, if phrased, ...why do we care? is very interesting if not used simply as a defensive posture. Why do we care? Why do we hold Bevan, John and MMY accountable to a certain standard? It is apparently much more of an idealized fantasy that we have than an authentic need that they have You have indicated before that Dr. H and you were good friends when you were younger. Are you still in touch? I'd wonder his reaction at your embracing of SSRS's teaching. I initiated him (and Peter). We run into each other once in a while. He's always friendly. We shake hands. But we haven't sat down for a talk. I'd like to do that sometime. You're John the Baptist to his Jesus. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Do you think that Bevan and John engage in lecentious behavior and why do you care? Well, they do or they did. That is quite well known. However your last question, if phrased, ...why do we care? is very interesting if not used simply as a defensive posture. Why do we care? Why do we hold Bevan, John and MMY accountable to a certain standard? It is apparently much more of an idealized fantasy that we have than an authentic need that they have Again, I think that the issue is lack of empathy. To the best of my knowledge Sparaig has never had to be held accountable in the TM organization for his everyday behavior, and whether it measures up to some standard for behavior. (Other than the normal rank-and-filer stuff of making sure to hide any behavior that might get you disallowed from attending courses.) We all have. Can you *imagine* what would have happened back in the 70s to a non-International- staff, non-Maharishi's-darling TM teacher who was fooling around sexually to the point of breaking up marriages in his Center? Can you *imagine* what would have happened to a lone TM teacher who put together a campaign to raise money for a specific project and then kept the money and never delivered on the project? Can you *imagine* what would have happened to someone who even failed to wear a suit to one of his introductory lectures, at many points in TM history? We (the former teachers here) were all held to *very* high standards of behavior. Violate them, and you knew that you were history. It would just not have been tolerated. And yet Maharishi's Darlings do stuff we would never have dared to think of, much less do, and everyone knows about it, and nothing happens to them. And MMY himself may be the biggest offender, and no one even has the balls to ask him about it directly. We are talking about an organization that makes some of the most audacious claims ever made in human history about how its programs cause ideal behavior. And at the same time, many of that organization's leaders behave in a manner that *anyone* in the world would consider inappropriate, and far from ideal. And yet True Believers still don't see that there might be a problem with this, or that there might be any hypocrisy involved. Or worse, consider the possibility that they've simply been lied to about the effect of TM and the TM programs, for decades. The C word isn't consulting but cult. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Do you think that Bevan and John engage in lecentious behavior and why do you care? Well, they do or they did. That is quite well known. However your last question, if phrased, ...why do we care? is very interesting if not used simply as a defensive posture. Why do we care? Why do we hold Bevan, John and MMY accountable to a certain standard? It is apparently much more of an idealized fantasy that we have than an authentic need that they have Again, I think that the issue is lack of empathy. To the best of my knowledge Sparaig has never had to be held accountable in the TM organization for his everyday behavior, and whether it measures up to some standard for behavior. (Other than the normal rank-and-filer stuff of making sure to hide any behavior that might get you disallowed from attending courses.) We all have. Can you *imagine* what would have happened back in the 70s to a non-International- staff, non-Maharishi's-darling TM teacher who was fooling around sexually to the point of breaking up marriages in his Center? Can you *imagine* what would have happened to a lone TM teacher who put together a campaign to raise money for a specific project and then kept the money and never delivered on the project? Can you *imagine* what would have happened to someone who even failed to wear a suit to one of his introductory lectures, at many points in TM history? We (the former teachers here) were all held to *very* high standards of behavior. Violate them, and you knew that you were history. It would just not have been tolerated. And yet Maharishi's Darlings do stuff we would never have dared to think of, much less do, and everyone knows about it, and nothing happens to them. And MMY himself may be the biggest offender, and no one even has the balls to ask him about it directly. We are talking about an organization that makes some of the most audacious claims ever made in human history about how its programs cause ideal behavior. And at the same time, many of that organization's leaders behave in a manner that *anyone* in the world would consider inappropriate, and far from ideal. And yet True Believers still don't see that there might be a problem with this, or that there might be any hypocrisy involved. Or worse, consider the possibility that they've simply been lied to about the effect of TM and the TM programs, for decades. You said it better than I did. Maybe the dishonest use of millions of dollars and screwing married women is spontaneous right action in tune with the home of all the laws of nature. You know - Vedic. JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/26/05 10:36 AM, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Do you think that Bevan and John engage in lecentious behavior and why do you care? Well, they do or they did. That is quite well known. However your last question, if phrased, ...why do we care? is very interesting if not used simply as a defensive posture. Why do we care? Why do we hold Bevan, John and MMY accountable to a certain standard? It is apparently much more of an idealized fantasy that we have than an authentic need that they have You have indicated before that Dr. H and you were good friends when you were younger. Are you still in touch? I'd wonder his reaction at your embracing of SSRS's teaching. Ain't life interesting? Oh, life is very interesting. John and I aren't in touch. When I lived in Fairfield years ago we used to bump into each other from time to time. John is intellectually honest and, in private, would understand and in many cases agree with what many of us complain about. About SSRS, John would have no problem with it, again, in private, but he has an official role in the TMO and fulfilling that function requires that he not implictly endorse any other teaching. John and I have always had very spirited conversations and I'd love to have one with him now about his experiences with MMY and how he deals with the cognitive dissonance. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
on 9/26/05 1:30 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...and it is on this very point that I was intrigued to see that John had appeared in the What the *$#$ movie, as it was produced by a controversial teaching and that he appears with other teachers, etc. John appears to be a fairly hot commodity on the New Age circuit, sharing the podium with Neale Donald Walsch, Maryanne Williamson, and the like. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
Recently saw a very good movie of his, Indigo, about psychic kids. (I think it's the same one--he's an actor, right?) It was all filmed on location in N California, and the scenery is just gorgeous--especially after living in the mIdwest. :) It's also a really good story even if you took the psychic stuff out. Sal On Sep 26, 2005, at 1:40 PM, Rick Archer wrote: Neale Donald Walsch
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] One one of the website, I found an e-mail address to send questions for the weekly news conferences and expressed my concern on a number of issues in the form of questions. Of course he wasn't going to publicly ask Hagelin or Bevan about their licentious behavior in public or in private. Especially as it seems to be Hagelin who chooses what gets asked. What licentious behavior and why do you care? You are easily the most annoying person to ever post to this group. blech Gee, I thought *I* was. Other than your bickering with Barry I always find your posts well written and well-documented. I marvel at how few techincal writing errors you make. Well, thanks. (As an editor by profession, I'd *better* have a pretty good grasp of the technical writing details!) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Don't you GET it, man? This forum arose because there is no other forum like it within the TM move- ment. There is nowhere one can go to express one's legitimate questions about how things are run with- out running into fanatics who feel that their job is to SILENCE such questions, not deal with them. On this forum, you seem to feel that this is your function. It's behavior more appropriate to a.m.t., where such things are considered The Way Things Should Be Done. This is an *wildly* inaccurate description of alt.m.t, as well as of Lawson's behavior. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip You are on record here as admitting that the TM movement rips people off, and NOT CARING. You are on record here as having absolutely no problem with them never following through on any of their promises and grand schemes. It doesn't seem to bother you if the movement's leaders indulge in behavior that would be considered inappropriate, if not illegal, in ANY organization. You don't seem to have any problem with this stuff at all. Could you cite some of Lawson's posts here that indicate all or any of the above? Because my impression is very different. It seems to me that what Lawson does is question knee-jerk criticism of the TMO and MMY (at the same time that he has plenty of criticisms of his own). It's possible to care, by the way, without indulging in constant obsessive, thoughtless condemnation. The absence of the latter does not necessarily indicate the absence of the former. (No, I'm not saying *all* criticism of the TMO/MMY here is obsessive and thoughtless, but there surely is a sizeable component thereof.) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip You are on record here as admitting that the TM movement rips people off, and NOT CARING. You are on record here as having absolutely no problem with them never following through on any of their promises and grand schemes. It doesn't seem to bother you if the movement's leaders indulge in behavior that would be considered inappropriate, if not illegal, in ANY organization. You don't seem to have any problem with this stuff at all. Could you cite some of Lawson's posts here that indicate all or any of the above? Because my impression is very different. It seems to me that what Lawson does is question knee-jerk criticism of the TMO and MMY (at the same time that he has plenty of criticisms of his own). I'm not sure what you, Judy, are referring to when you mention Lawson's questioning the knee-jerk reactions of others. Much of the conversation that has been going on at least regarding Hagelin's and Bevan's licentious behavior is information that has been verified first-hand. Many women have come forward, I have spoken to several women who were pretty shaken up after they had been called into Bevan's office, having no idea they were about to be propositioned. Who knows how many were put in this position. This is from the President of an accredited university. Imagine if it came to light that the President of Harvard, or University of Iowa or any college or university had done this repeatedly? One afternoon, While with dear friends, well-to-do's, I was privvy to a conversation from a husband, a large donor to the movement, whose wife had just admitted to him that she had been having an affair with Hagelin. While she was in the admission mode she made mention of a loop of married women that both Bevan and Hagelin had each been sleeping with. This was a massive shock to me. One of the men I was with at the time we heard this conversation told me this was all well-known fact and had been going on for quite some time. These are leaders of the movement who have no problem arrogantly chiding others for their lack in living life in accord with Natural Law. This duplicitous life is being lived by the very people who we have placed our trust and faith in. It's possible to care, by the way, without indulging in constant obsessive, thoughtless condemnation. The absence of the latter does not necessarily indicate the absence of the former. (No, I'm not saying *all* criticism of the TMO/MMY here is obsessive and thoughtless, but there surely is a sizeable component thereof.) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip A few days ago I did nothing more than suggest that children are no more entitled to decent treatment than any other human being, The question was whether they were more in need of protection from adults who would do them harm (specifically sexual predators) than other adults are, given that children are dependent on adults for their welfare and even for their survival and have fewer resources--mental, psychological, and physical-- with which to defend themselves. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I always thought Bevan was gay. Sal Some where in the archives, in the mid eight thousands, is a less than charitable post lsiting twelve ladies whose eggs Bevan is supposed to have covered; a selfless accomplishment for a friend of Dorothy. I'm not sure I get the reference to a friend of Dorothy, but the use of the term covered had me LOL. :-) Dorothy as in Wizard of Oz as in Judy Garland, I believe. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] One one of the website, I found an e-mail address to send questions for the weekly news conferences and expressed my concern on a number of issues in the form of questions. Of course he wasn't going to publicly ask Hagelin or Bevan about their licentious behavior in public or in private. Especially as it seems to be Hagelin who chooses what gets asked. What licentious behavior and why do you care? Why would I care? Hmm, let's see...perhaps because of the unbelievable pompousness of HE the Honorable Dr. Morris when he arrogantly enforces policy that he creates while he seems to feel he is immune from the basics of respectful behavior as in please leave the wives of others alone and stop calling ladies into your office and propositioning them. While it is certainly boorish behavior and I do not support it in the least, the ladies can say no. That apply to Maharishi as well? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip You are on record here as admitting that the TM movement rips people off, and NOT CARING. You are on record here as having absolutely no problem with them never following through on any of their promises and grand schemes. It doesn't seem to bother you if the movement's leaders indulge in behavior that would be considered inappropriate, if not illegal, in ANY organization. You don't seem to have any problem with this stuff at all. Could you cite some of Lawson's posts here that indicate all or any of the above? Because my impression is very different. It seems to me that what Lawson does is question knee-jerk criticism of the TMO and MMY (at the same time that he has plenty of criticisms of his own). I'm not sure what you, Judy, are referring to when you mention Lawson's questioning the knee-jerk reactions of others. Much of the conversation that has been going on at least regarding Hagelin's and Bevan's licentious behavior is information that has been verified first-hand. Many women have come forward, I have spoken to several women who were pretty shaken up after they had been called into Bevan's office, having no idea they were about to be propositioned. Who knows how many were put in this position. This is from the President of an accredited university. Imagine if it came to light that the President of Harvard, or University of Iowa or any college or university had done this repeatedly? One afternoon, While with dear friends, well-to-do's, I was privvy to a conversation from a husband, a large donor to the movement, whose wife had just admitted to him that she had been having an affair with Hagelin. While she was in the admission mode she made mention of a loop of married women that both Bevan and Hagelin had each been sleeping with. This was a massive shock to me. One of the men I was with at the time we heard this conversation told me this was all well-known fact and had been going on for quite some time. These are leaders of the movement who have no problem arrogantly chiding others for their lack in living life in accord with Natural Law. This duplicitous life is being lived by the very people who we have placed our trust and faith in. Ever seen the movie The Inner Circle about how life is lived in the inner circle around Stalin during the '40s and '50s in Moscow? Beria et al. took advantage of the peons and underlings the same way that is described above vis a vis Bevan and Hagelin... It's possible to care, by the way, without indulging in constant obsessive, thoughtless condemnation. The absence of the latter does not necessarily indicate the absence of the former. (No, I'm not saying *all* criticism of the TMO/MMY here is obsessive and thoughtless, but there surely is a sizeable component thereof.) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip You are on record here as admitting that the TM movement rips people off, and NOT CARING. You are on record here as having absolutely no problem with them never following through on any of their promises and grand schemes. It doesn't seem to bother you if the movement's leaders indulge in behavior that would be considered inappropriate, if not illegal, in ANY organization. You don't seem to have any problem with this stuff at all. Could you cite some of Lawson's posts here that indicate all or any of the above? Because my impression is very different. It seems to me that what Lawson does is question knee-jerk criticism of the TMO and MMY (at the same time that he has plenty of criticisms of his own). I'm not sure what you, Judy, are referring to when you mention Lawson's questioning the knee-jerk reactions of others. Much of the conversation that has been going on at least regarding Hagelin's and Bevan's licentious behavior is information that has been verified first-hand. I was referring to Lawson's posts generally (as was Barry's attack). But as far as the licentiousness issue is concerned, Lawson first asked what licentiousness was being referred to, and then why anybody cared. He wasn't suggesting the behavior hadn't occurred. snip These are leaders of the movement who have no problem arrogantly chiding others for their lack in living life in accord with Natural Law. This duplicitous life is being lived by the very people who we have placed our trust and faith in. Yup, and Lawson said it sounded hypocritical to him. He just doesn't seem to be as hung up about it as some others. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip You are on record here as admitting that the TM movement rips people off, and NOT CARING. You are on record here as having absolutely no problem with them never following through on any of their promises and grand schemes. It doesn't seem to bother you if the movement's leaders indulge in behavior that would be considered inappropriate, if not illegal, in ANY organization. You don't seem to have any problem with this stuff at all. Could you cite some of Lawson's posts here that indicate all or any of the above? Because my impression is very different. It seems to me that what Lawson does is question knee-jerk criticism of the TMO and MMY (at the same time that he has plenty of criticisms of his own). I'm not sure what you, Judy, are referring to when you mention Lawson's questioning the knee-jerk reactions of others. Much of the conversation that has been going on at least regarding Hagelin's and Bevan's licentious behavior is information that has been verified first-hand. I was referring to Lawson's posts generally (as was Barry's attack). But as far as the licentiousness issue is concerned, Lawson first asked what licentiousness was being referred to, and then why anybody cared. He wasn't suggesting the behavior hadn't occurred. snip These are leaders of the movement who have no problem arrogantly chiding others for their lack in living life in accord with Natural Law. This duplicitous life is being lived by the very people who we have placed our trust and faith in. Yup, and Lawson said it sounded hypocritical to him. He just doesn't seem to be as hung up about it as some others. I tend to agree. Like I always say: whether MMY is diddling some gorgeous babe or the Katzenjammer Kids are (i.e. Bevan and John), it doesn't affect one iota whether TM works. And if True Believers want to devote their lives -- at less than minimum wage -- to working for those creeps, well, then, that's their business -- and karma! -- for beleiving in and working for the very people who we have placed our trust and faith in. Cause guess what? Faith shouldn't have ANYTHING to do with it in the first place...so the joke's on them for trying to make TM a religion in the first place! Ha Ha! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So you think that the TM leadership is supposed to be better than everyone else? The talks by TM leadership unequivically state that the practice of MMY's programs by an individual create ideal behavior and total support of the laws of nature leading to the inability to make a mistake and unlimited progress and success and on the broader level invincibility to the nation, heaven on earth, and the elimination of all problems on earth and so on, and I do mean there's even more. All of this happens in a very short period of time, or within a few weeks if only gov't would implement the programs. This is not only promised, it is said to scientific fact. Actually, I never read it as enlightenment happens next week. And if enlightenment doesn't happen in a week, why would the rest of the stuff happen in a week? OTOH, effects would be felt literally overnight, but they are with TM as well. Given the above statements, you might look to the effect of these programs on the lives of the people who have been practicing them the longest and with the most dedication to verify the claims. You would also look to the organization itself to gauge the broader societal promises. If there's a large discrepency, then that's called hypocrisy. Perhaps its your misunderstanding of what is being said? It's amazing that TBs don't expect MMY's programs to actually work for themselves or their organization, but somehow they are still the key to saving the world if only more money were raised. I DO expect TM to work for people within the TM organization, but don't expect everyone to show saintly behavior overnight. Some people seem very worried about consenting sexual behavior betweent adults -- as though it was the end-all of morality and ethics. I suppose you're one of those happy that the entire Constitutional machinery of the USA was involved in impeaching Clinton over lying about lying about oral sex? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I always thought Bevan was gay. Sal Some where in the archives, in the mid eight thousands, is a less than charitable post lsiting twelve ladies whose eggs Bevan is supposed to have covered; a selfless accomplishment for a friend of Dorothy. Uns. So Bevan managed to get 8 women pregnant? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Do you think that Bevan and John engage in lecentious behavior and why do you care? Well, they do or they did. That is quite well known. However your last question, if phrased, ...why do we care? is very interesting if not used simply as a defensive posture. Why do we care? Why do we hold Bevan, John and MMY accountable to a certain standard? It is apparently much more of an idealized fantasy that we have than an authentic need that they have What standard are you holding them to and why? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] So you think that the TM leadership is supposed to be better than everyone else? Wow, is that a long way around, just for 'leveling'. No just better than unethical, immoral and illegal. so you DO expect more of TMO leadership on the moral/ethical level than you do of other people... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I always thought Bevan was gay. Sal Somewhere in the archives, in the mid eight thousands, is a less than charitable post listing twelve ladies whose eggs Bevan is supposed to have covered; a selfless accomplishment for a friend of Dorothy. Uns. So Bevan managed to get 8 women pregnant? I didn't say that. But the poster definitely suggested that he dipped his wick. Uns. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] One one of the website, I found an e-mail address to send questions for the weekly news conferences and expressed my concern on a number of issues in the form of questions. Of course he wasn't going to publicly ask Hagelin or Bevan about their licentious behavior in public or in private. Especially as it seems to be Hagelin who chooses what gets asked. What licentious behavior and why do you care? Why would I care? Hmm, let's see...perhaps because of the unbelievable pompousness of HE the Honorable Dr. Morris when he arrogantly enforces policy that he creates while he seems to feel he is immune from the basics of respectful behavior as in please leave the wives of others alone and stop calling ladies into your office and propositioning them. While it is certainly boorish behavior and I do not support it in the least, the ladies can say no. Part of my point. Another is that we're not talking about MMY's purported affairs with worshipful secretaries, but more mundane (at least in MY mind) affairs between more or less co-equal people. Unless Bevan is hitting on HIS secretaries, or Hagelin is hitting on his students, their behavior shows normal human weakness. Mind you, I've been burned badly enough by other people's boorish behavior that I've stayed out of the dating game for over 10 years. There are few women I trust, and even fewer men. On the other hand, I'm not completely innocent of boorish behavior myself. He who is without sin, grab that rock, and all that. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Do you think that Bevan and John engage in lecentious behavior and why do you care? Well, they do or they did. That is quite well known. However your last question, if phrased, ...why do we care? is very interesting if not used simply as a defensive posture. Why do we care? Why do we hold Bevan, John and MMY accountable to a certain standard? It is apparently much more of an idealized fantasy that we have than an authentic need that they have Again, I think that the issue is lack of empathy. To the best of my knowledge Sparaig has never had to be held accountable in the TM organization for his everyday behavior, and whether it measures up to some standard for behavior. (Other than the normal rank-and-filer stuff of making sure to hide any behavior that might get you disallowed from attending courses.) Except, I never hid anything from anyone in order to get on courses. Right now, I'm on Prozac and Adderal, and if that prevents me from going on courses, I'll accept that. Mind you, I haven't tried to go on courses since before I started taking it, so who can say? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 9/26/05 10:06 AM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why would I care? Hmm, let's see...perhaps because of the unbelievable pompousness of HE the Honorable Dr. Morris when he arrogantly enforces policy that he creates while he seems to feel he is immune from the basics of respectful behavior as in please leave the wives of others alone and stop calling ladies into your office and propositioning them. While it is certainly boorish behavior and I do not support it in the least, the ladies can say no. Yeah, but it's the old thing of a charismatic, powerful man wowing out an impressionable younger woman. Whether or not Monica came on to him, Bill acted irresponsibly. Sure. But does the behavior interfere with the ability to get the job done? In the case of Clinton and Lewinsky, it did, but only because of a major witch-hunt. Someone has said that Hagelin is sleeping with students, abandoning them to their tears. That's a problem that goes beyond the personal morality of those involved. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 9/26/05 10:40 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/26/05 10:36 AM, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Do you think that Bevan and John engage in lecentious behavior and why do you care? Well, they do or they did. That is quite well known. However your last question, if phrased, ...why do we care? is very interesting if not used simply as a defensive posture. Why do we care? Why do we hold Bevan, John and MMY accountable to a certain standard? It is apparently much more of an idealized fantasy that we have than an authentic need that they have You have indicated before that Dr. H and you were good friends when you were younger. Are you still in touch? I'd wonder his reaction at your embracing of SSRS's teaching. I initiated him (and Peter). We run into each other once in a while. He's always friendly. We shake hands. But we haven't sat down for a talk. I'd like to do that sometime. Say hi to him from Lawson english in Tucson, AZ. We had a nice lunch inthe student union when he first started running for Pres. I waxed eloquent about my neural-networks theory of enlightenment, and he very politely bit his tongue. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You said it better than I did. Maybe the dishonest use of millions of dollars and screwing married women is spontaneous right action in tune with the home of all the laws of nature. You know - Vedic. And if it's Vedic, it's good, right? Well, if they wanted to funnel some of the millions to me, I'd promise to give much of it away to truly worthy organizations. But they can keep the screwing married women part. Wouldn't touch it with a ten- foot...uh...pole. I guess if the married women are all facing east Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 9/26/05 1:30 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...and it is on this very point that I was intrigued to see that John had appeared in the What the *$#$ movie, as it was produced by a controversial teaching and that he appears with other teachers, etc. John appears to be a fairly hot commodity on the New Age circuit, sharing the podium with Neale Donald Walsch, Maryanne Williamson, and the like. I hope he's keeping the speakers fees... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While it is certainly boorish behavior and I do not support it in the least, the ladies can say no. That apply to Maharishi as well? Why would it not? I know a standard theme revolves around unquesioned obediance to the guru and all. Which may not be your point. But on that theme, in reality, almost all teachers did lots of things MMY said not to do, and did not do lots of things he said to do. In the 1970-75 era -- when a lot of stuff allegedely happened, there was a lot of questioning earlier on -- hour after hour of people on the mike asking and questioning all sorts of things. Perhaps a bit less as time marched on in that era. But lots of slippage, lots of disobediance on small things and large. The woman I knew in the inner circle at that time were smart, capable, strong willed women. There was not a strong, prevailing coercive absolute ethic at that time where a woman could not say no to anyone, including MMY if propositioned. In the past several years on this list, I have explored and argued the coercive, authority, unequal power POV. I am rexamining that. Not disregarding it. But looking at it, I think some women did say no. Some said yes. I believe the latter had motives to do so that were independent of strong coercion. Some motivations may have included: access, curiousity/interest/ senses of service, affection. And some may have felt some or all such motivation and sttll said no. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I always thought Bevan was gay. Sal Some where in the archives, in the mid eight thousands, is a less than charitable post lsiting twelve ladies whose eggs Bevan is supposed to have covered; a selfless accomplishment for a friend of Dorothy. Uns. So Bevan managed to get 8 women pregnant? Almost as good as Brian Jones' record... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Do you think that Bevan and John engage in lecentious behavior and why do you care? Well, they do or they did. That is quite well known. However your last question, if phrased, ...why do we care? is very interesting if not used simply as a defensive posture. Why do we care? Why do we hold Bevan, John and MMY accountable to a certain standard? It is apparently much more of an idealized fantasy that we have than an authentic need that they have Again, I think that the issue is lack of empathy. To the best of my knowledge Sparaig has never had to be held accountable in the TM organization for his everyday behavior, and whether it measures up to some standard for behavior. (Other than the normal rank-and-filer stuff of making sure to hide any behavior that might get you disallowed from attending courses.) Except, I never hid anything from anyone in order to get on courses. Right now, I'm on Prozac and Adderal, and if that prevents me from going on courses, I'll accept that. Mind you, I haven't tried to go on courses since before I started taking it, so who can say? May I ask what those drugs do and what they are for? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 9/26/05 2:28 AM, anonymousff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What licentious behavior and why do you care? Bevan and Hagelin are infamous womanizers. They have not limited themselves to single women, they have no scruples, or at least they didn't for a looong time, about whose wife they sleep with. It has been going on for years, it has been talked about for years, it has been hashed and rehashed, it is not rumors, marriages have broken up over it. And no one says anything or cares about it. A friend of mine who is a respected, long-time MUM faculty member said that even recently young coeds have been coming to him in tears, because Hagelin has slept with them and then dumped them. So it still goes on. If this is true, it is a major scandal waiting to happen. It also suggest incredible contempt that Hagelin has for the TMO in that he feels it is SO weak that he has license to do all these things without fear of being held accountable because they need him so badly... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 9/26/05 10:40 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/26/05 10:36 AM, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Do you think that Bevan and John engage in lecentious behavior and why do you care? Well, they do or they did. That is quite well known. However your last question, if phrased, ...why do we care? is very interesting if not used simply as a defensive posture. Why do we care? Why do we hold Bevan, John and MMY accountable to a certain standard? It is apparently much more of an idealized fantasy that we have than an authentic need that they have You have indicated before that Dr. H and you were good friends when you were younger. Are you still in touch? I'd wonder his reaction at your embracing of SSRS's teaching. I initiated him (and Peter). We run into each other once in a while. He's always friendly. We shake hands. But we haven't sat down for a talk. I'd like to do that sometime. Say hi to him from Lawson english in Tucson, AZ. We had a nice lunch inthe student union when he first started running for Pres. I waxed eloquent about my neural-networks theory of enlightenment, and he very politely bit his tongue. I'm sure if Rick also tells him that you are on Prozac that all will now make sense to him... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] So you think that the TM leadership is supposed to be better than everyone else? Wow, is that a long way around, just for 'leveling'. No just better than unethical, immoral and illegal. so you DO expect more of TMO leadership on the moral/ethical level than you do of other people... Yes I do, don't you? I certainly don't expect them to behave less ethically than most responsible people. They are promoting a program that promises 'ideal behavior in accord with all the laws of nature'. Their behavior reflects on the teaching that they represent. To say nothing about the effects on the lives they influence directly. Ethical business behavior would be a step up. It's not about the sex per se. JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While it is certainly boorish behavior and I do not support it in the least, the ladies can say no. That apply to Maharishi as well? Why would it not? That was my question to...hmm, you seem to have deleted the attribution. Peter, I think. I wondered if he would make the same point with regard to MMY. I know a standard theme revolves around unquesioned obediance to the guru and all. Yeah, but I haven't seen it suggested here that MMY *ordered* women to have sex with him, even by the most cynical. Which may not be your point. Nope. More wondering whether there were some double standards floating around. But on that theme, in reality, almost all teachers did lots of things MMY said not to do, and did not do lots of things he said to do. In the 1970-75 era -- when a lot of stuff allegedely happened, there was a lot of questioning earlier on -- hour after hour of people on the mike asking and questioning all sorts of things. Perhaps a bit less as time marched on in that era. But lots of slippage, lots of disobediance on small things and large. The woman I knew in the inner circle at that time were smart, capable, strong willed women. I was never around him, but what you describe is certainly in accord with my impressions from what others have said. Even from some of the QA sessions on videotape shown on courses, for that matter. There was not a strong, prevailing coercive absolute ethic at that time where a woman could not say no to anyone, including MMY if propositioned. In the past several years on this list, I have explored and argued the coercive, authority, unequal power POV. I am rexamining that. Not disregarding it. But looking at it, I think some women did say no. Some said yes. I believe the latter had motives to do so that were independent of strong coercion. Some motivations may have included: access, curiousity/interest/ senses of service, affection. And some may have felt some or all such motivation and sttll said no. I'd be very surprised if that weren't an accurate analysis. But there's coercion and coercion. It doesn't have to involve a demand for obedience to be coercive when the power relationship is unequal. On the other hand, I can conceive of a woman saying yes because of the chance to exert her own power over an authority figure, to turn the tables, as it were. If you have power over someone who's powerful, that makes you *very* powerful. Men aren't the only ones with a drive for power. I suspect that may well have been involved with Lewinsky and Clinton, in fact. It's very complex. You can't dump it all in one compartment and slap a single label on it. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
TorquoiseB writes: Well, if they wanted to funnel some of the millions to me, I'd promise to give much of it away to truly worthy organizations. But they can keep the screwing married women part. Wouldn't touch it with a ten- foot...uh...pole. Tom T: old joke. What happens when you cross a rooster and a 40 foot telephone pole? Answer: A rooster with a 40 foot penis who wants to reach out and touch you. ( Based on an ATT long distance commercial of the 80's on reaching out to touch someone). Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
on 9/26/05 6:32 PM, jyouells2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 9/26/05 1:30 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...and it is on this very point that I was intrigued to see that John had appeared in the What the *$#$ movie, as it was produced by a controversial teaching and that he appears with other teachers, etc. John appears to be a fairly hot commodity on the New Age circuit, sharing the podium with Neale Donald Walsch, Maryanne Williamson, and the like. I hope he's keeping the speakers fees... He is one of the few Westerners in the TMO who is paid real wages by the TMO - in the neighborhood of $110K as I recall. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I always thought Bevan was gay. Sal Somewhere in the archives, in the mid eight thousands, is a less than charitable post listing twelve ladies whose eggs Bevan is supposed to have covered; a selfless accomplishment for a friend of Dorothy. Uns. So Bevan managed to get 8 women pregnant? I didn't say that. But the poster definitely suggested that he dipped his wick. Uns. I have heard that Bevan is a formal Bramacharyi. Is he [still]? This would be an issue just on honorableness in keeping one's promise to onesself. Is he telling everyone on perusha to keep celibate while he's on perusha? Ditto. Is he telling everyone on perusha tokeep celibate while he is NOT on perusha? ANother kettle of fish, I think. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
on 9/26/05 7:12 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 9/26/05 2:28 AM, anonymousff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What licentious behavior and why do you care? Bevan and Hagelin are infamous womanizers. They have not limited themselves to single women, they have no scruples, or at least they didn't for a looong time, about whose wife they sleep with. It has been going on for years, it has been talked about for years, it has been hashed and rehashed, it is not rumors, marriages have broken up over it. And no one says anything or cares about it. A friend of mine who is a respected, long-time MUM faculty member said that even recently young coeds have been coming to him in tears, because Hagelin has slept with them and then dumped them. So it still goes on. If this is true, it is a major scandal waiting to happen. It also suggest incredible contempt that Hagelin has for the TMO in that he feels it is SO weak that he has license to do all these things without fear of being held accountable because they need him so badly... But as people have been saying, it has been going on for years and somehow no one is scandalized. At least not enough people with enough clout to do anything about it. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 9/26/05 6:32 PM, jyouells2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 9/26/05 1:30 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...and it is on this very point that I was intrigued to see that John had appeared in the What the *$#$ movie, as it was produced by a controversial teaching and that he appears with other teachers, etc. John appears to be a fairly hot commodity on the New Age circuit, sharing the podium with Neale Donald Walsch, Maryanne Williamson, and the like. I hope he's keeping the speakers fees... He is one of the few Westerners in the TMO who is paid real wages by the TMO - in the neighborhood of $110K as I recall. I knew that Rick, but I figure when Maharishi passes the nephews will tighten the financial reigns even more. Sounds like there maybe another fatwa or three in the future JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I always thought Bevan was gay. Sal Some where in the archives, in the mid eight thousands, is a less than charitable post lsiting twelve ladies whose eggs Bevan is supposed to have covered; a selfless accomplishment for a friend of Dorothy. Uns. So Bevan managed to get 8 women pregnant? Almost as good as Brian Jones' record... Mine is 2. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 9/26/05 2:28 AM, anonymousff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What licentious behavior and why do you care? Bevan and Hagelin are infamous womanizers. They have not limited themselves to single women, they have no scruples, or at least they didn't for a looong time, about whose wife they sleep with. It has been going on for years, it has been talked about for years, it has been hashed and rehashed, it is not rumors, marriages have broken up over it. And no one says anything or cares about it. A friend of mine who is a respected, long-time MUM faculty member said that even recently young coeds have been coming to him in tears, because Hagelin has slept with them and then dumped them. So it still goes on. If this is true, it is a major scandal waiting to happen. It also suggest incredible contempt that Hagelin has for the TMO in that he feels it is SO weak that he has license to do all these things without fear of being held accountable because they need him so badly... Speaking as someone whose sexuality was once out of control (is abstinence being in control?), I can tell you that at least some people sleep around because of stress/insecurity issues. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 9/26/05 10:40 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/26/05 10:36 AM, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Do you think that Bevan and John engage in lecentious behavior and why do you care? Well, they do or they did. That is quite well known. However your last question, if phrased, ...why do we care? is very interesting if not used simply as a defensive posture. Why do we care? Why do we hold Bevan, John and MMY accountable to a certain standard? It is apparently much more of an idealized fantasy that we have than an authentic need that they have You have indicated before that Dr. H and you were good friends when you were younger. Are you still in touch? I'd wonder his reaction at your embracing of SSRS's teaching. I initiated him (and Peter). We run into each other once in a while. He's always friendly. We shake hands. But we haven't sat down for a talk. I'd like to do that sometime. Say hi to him from Lawson english in Tucson, AZ. We had a nice lunch inthe student union when he first started running for Pres. I waxed eloquent about my neural-networks theory of enlightenment, and he very politely bit his tongue. I'm sure if Rick also tells him that you are on Prozac that all will now make sense to him... Wasn't [as much] in need of Prozac back then. My disoders got bad enough to require medicine after living three years in a mold- infested apartment. Some of those molds are NASTY and I'm allergic anyway... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] So you think that the TM leadership is supposed to be better than everyone else? Wow, is that a long way around, just for 'leveling'. No just better than unethical, immoral and illegal. so you DO expect more of TMO leadership on the moral/ethical level than you do of other people... Yes I do, don't you? I certainly don't expect them to behave less ethically than most responsible people. They are promoting a program that promises 'ideal behavior in accord with all the laws of nature'. Their behavior reflects on the teaching that they represent. To say nothing about the effects on the lives they influence directly. Ethical business behavior would be a step up. It's not about the sex per se. Sure sounds like it given how you've complained about it. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Do you think that Bevan and John engage in lecentious behavior and why do you care? Well, they do or they did. That is quite well known. However your last question, if phrased, ...why do we care? is very interesting if not used simply as a defensive posture. Why do we care? Why do we hold Bevan, John and MMY accountable to a certain standard? It is apparently much more of an idealized fantasy that we have than an authentic need that they have Again, I think that the issue is lack of empathy. To the best of my knowledge Sparaig has never had to be held accountable in the TM organization for his everyday behavior, and whether it measures up to some standard for behavior. (Other than the normal rank-and-filer stuff of making sure to hide any behavior that might get you disallowed from attending courses.) Except, I never hid anything from anyone in order to get on courses. Right now, I'm on Prozac and Adderal, and if that prevents me from going on courses, I'll accept that. Mind you, I haven't tried to go on courses since before I started taking it, so who can say? May I ask what those drugs do and what they are for? OCD and ADD, respectively. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 9/26/05 2:28 AM, anonymousff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What licentious behavior and why do you care? Bevan and Hagelin are infamous womanizers. They have not limited themselves to single women, they have no scruples, or at least they didn't for a looong time, about whose wife they sleep with. It has been going on for years, it has been talked about for years, it has been hashed and rehashed, it is not rumors, marriages have broken up over it. And no one says anything or cares about it. A friend of mine who is a respected, long-time MUM faculty member said that even recently young coeds have been coming to him in tears, because Hagelin has slept with them and then dumped them. So it still goes on. If this is true, it is a major scandal waiting to happen. It also suggest incredible contempt that Hagelin has for the TMO in that he feels it is SO weak that he has license to do all these things without fear of being held accountable because they need him so badly... Speaking as someone whose sexuality was once out of control (is abstinence being in control?), I can tell you that at least some people sleep around because of stress/insecurity issues. Hey, I'm just jealous... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I always thought Bevan was gay. Sal Some where in the archives, in the mid eight thousands, is a less than charitable post lsiting twelve ladies whose eggs Bevan is supposed to have covered; a selfless accomplishment for a friend of Dorothy. Uns. So Bevan managed to get 8 women pregnant? Almost as good as Brian Jones' record... Mine is 2. Outside of marriage or a live-in responsible relationship? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 9/26/05 6:32 PM, jyouells2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 9/26/05 1:30 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...and it is on this very point that I was intrigued to see that John had appeared in the What the *$#$ movie, as it was produced by a controversial teaching and that he appears with other teachers, etc. John appears to be a fairly hot commodity on the New Age circuit, sharing the podium with Neale Donald Walsch, Maryanne Williamson, and the like. I hope he's keeping the speakers fees... He is one of the few Westerners in the TMO who is paid real wages by the TMO - in the neighborhood of $110K as I recall. I knew that Rick, but I figure when Maharishi passes the nephews will tighten the financial reigns even more. Sounds like there maybe another fatwa or three in the future What specific power do the nephews hold? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I always thought Bevan was gay. Sal Some where in the archives, in the mid eight thousands, is a less than charitable post lsiting twelve ladies whose eggs Bevan is supposed to have covered; a selfless accomplishment for a friend of Dorothy. Uns. So Bevan managed to get 8 women pregnant? Almost as good as Brian Jones' record... Mine is 2. Outside of marriage or a live-in responsible relationship? The first. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I always thought Bevan was gay. Sal Some where in the archives, in the mid eight thousands, is a less than charitable post lsiting twelve ladies whose eggs Bevan is supposed to have covered; a selfless accomplishment for a friend of Dorothy. I'm not sure I get the reference to a friend of Dorothy, but the use of the term covered had me LOL. :-) Dorothy as in Wizard of Oz as in Judy Garland, I believe. I Googled it, and this seems unclear. It could just as easily have been Dorothy Parker, with her circle of gay friends at the Algonquin in New York, or Dorothy King, with a similar circle of friends in Oscar Wilde's time. Wherever it originated, it seems to have been a closeted shorthand for, Are you gay? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I always thought Bevan was gay. Sal Some where in the archives, in the mid eight thousands, is a less than charitable post lsiting twelve ladies whose eggs Bevan is supposed to have covered; a selfless accomplishment for a friend of Dorothy. I'm not sure I get the reference to a friend of Dorothy, but the use of the term covered had me LOL. :-) Dorothy as in Wizard of Oz as in Judy Garland, I believe. I Googled it, and this seems unclear. It could just as easily have been Dorothy Parker, with her circle of gay friends at the Algonquin in New York, or Dorothy King, with a similar circle of friends in Oscar Wilde's time. Wherever it originated, it seems to have been a closeted shorthand for, Are you gay? It's more likely to be the Judy Garland connection because, as everyone knows, gays like lavish Broadway musicals and Judy Garland was the Queen of Broadway... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A scolding for Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TorquoiseB writes: Well, if they wanted to funnel some of the millions to me, I'd promise to give much of it away to truly worthy organizations. But they can keep the screwing married women part. Wouldn't touch it with a ten- foot...uh...pole. Tom T: old joke. What happens when you cross a rooster and a 40 foot telephone pole? Answer: A rooster with a 40 foot penis who wants to reach out and touch you. ( Based on an ATT long distance commercial of the 80's on reaching out to touch someone). Yup, a joke, but also serious in my case. Bad ju-ju. Wouldn't touch it. I don't even date women who are in a non-marriage committed relationship. There are just some karmas ya just don't wanna mess with... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
