subject:"\[FairfieldLife\] Re\: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi"

on 4/6/06 11:51 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 No organization  connected with TM has ever done anything geared
 toward improving the financial well being of anyone other than
 themselves. What makes you think this would be any different. It's
 always been business for profit. Any financial gain to anyone else has
 always been incidential to organiztional profit as far a I have ever
 seen.
 
 
 This may be the case, but they've always been upfront about it.

You mean about the $millions$ that have been skimmed by Maharishi's nephews
running the Indian TMO, to build their fancy mansions, buy their fancy cars,
and finance their wild all-night parties?




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

2006-04-07 Thread markmeredith2002

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 on 4/6/06 11:51 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@
  [...]
  No organization  connected with TM has ever done anything geared
  toward improving the financial well being of anyone other than
  themselves. What makes you think this would be any different. It's
  always been business for profit. Any financial gain to anyone
else has
  always been incidential to organiztional profit as far a I have ever
  seen.
  
  
  This may be the case, but they've always been upfront about it.
 
 You mean about the $millions$ that have been skimmed by Maharishi's
nephews
 running the Indian TMO, to build their fancy mansions, buy their
fancy cars,
 and finance their wild all-night parties?

Obviously you're referring to Shivaratri in which devout hindus stay
up all night participating in ecstatic pujas to shiva









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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

on 4/7/06 9:54 AM, markmeredith2002 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 
 on 4/6/06 11:51 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@
 [...]
 No organization  connected with TM has ever done anything geared
 toward improving the financial well being of anyone other than
 themselves. What makes you think this would be any different. It's
 always been business for profit. Any financial gain to anyone
 else has
 always been incidential to organiztional profit as far a I have ever
 seen.
 
 
 This may be the case, but they've always been upfront about it.
 
 You mean about the $millions$ that have been skimmed by Maharishi's
 nephews
 running the Indian TMO, to build their fancy mansions, buy their
 fancy cars,
 and finance their wild all-night parties?
 
 Obviously you're referring to Shivaratri in which devout hindus stay
 up all night participating in ecstatic pujas to shiva

'Fraid not. These Srivastavas know how to party.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

2006-04-07 Thread Ingegerd

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ 
wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
  fairfieldlife@ wrote:
  
   on 4/6/06 12:01 AM, Ingegerd at marwincornyarmand@ wrote:

I once heard this theory that one way MMY ensures world 
peace 
  is by
attract some of the most stressed people on the planet and 
have
them
do silly things in the TMO instead of letting them create 
havoc
outside the TMO sandbox.

What a peculiar excuse for incompetence!
Ingegerd
   
  
  
   That's a Brigante theory. But these people he's referring to 
are 
  generally
   quite competent. Many of them accomplish a lot, except when 
  confronted with
   impossible tasks, like the world's tallest building, or 
rebuild 
  Geneva.
  
  
  ***
  
  Naturally you do not understand what I am saying. For those who 
can 
  understand, here's what I do have to say about the apparent 
chaos in 
  the TMO:
  
  http://geocities.com/bbrigante
 
 
 Well you didn't say anything, did you?
 
 I said it.
 
 And now I say this: just how did Ingegerd (and others) get from my
 statement to lack of competence? Where is the connection. The issue
 was karma and ignorance that make them dangerous.
 
 Did someone assume I was talking about the current TMO leadership? 
 
 I could have been, but I wasn't. 
 
 In fact, now that I think of it, maybe Richs list is what saves the
 world, by ensuring that the Sal's and who else of this world 
remains
 chained to their keyboards instead of making the streets unsafe.

When MMY is marketing that HIS knowledge will lead to a perfect 
organisation and administration according to the Laws of Nature, it 
does not make sense,when you see how he and his followers behave in 
the TMO. I call it incompetence.
Ingegerd








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 on 4/6/06 11:51 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@
  [...]
  No organization  connected with TM has ever done anything geared
  toward improving the financial well being of anyone other than
  themselves. What makes you think this would be any different. 
It's
  always been business for profit. Any financial gain to anyone 
else has
  always been incidential to organiztional profit as far a I have 
ever
  seen.
  
  
  This may be the case, but they've always been upfront about it.
 
 You mean about the $millions$ that have been skimmed by Maharishi's 
nephews
 running the Indian TMO, to build their fancy mansions, buy their 
fancy cars,
 and finance their wild all-night parties?


Is that what they do?







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

2006-04-07 Thread wayback71

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 on 4/7/06 10:33 AM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  You mean about the $millions$ that have been skimmed by Maharishi's
  nephews
  running the Indian TMO, to build their fancy mansions, buy their
  fancy cars,
  and finance their wild all-night parties?
  
  
  Is that what they do?
 
 Yes. I was reminded of this the other day by a friend who just came back
 from India.


Any new details?  How accurate do you think?  Is the TMO level of graft any 
worse than all 
the other organizations, or just bigger because it has more money? Sigh.  After 
all these 
years, why doesn't MMY have someone step in and say enough, clean up the books 
and 
money. Leave the TMO looking better. This kind of filth is so destructive if it 
really gets 
out in a big way.  It could be all anyone really remembers, like Rajneesh and 
the sex and 
cars (and maybe he had nothing else to offer anyway, but who knows or cares 
given the 
garbage)






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RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

2006-04-07 Thread Richard Hughes

From: markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh 
Yogi
Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 16:28:04 -

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

  on 4/7/06 10:33 AM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   You mean about the $millions$ that have been skimmed by Maharishi's
   nephews
   running the Indian TMO, to build their fancy mansions, buy their
   fancy cars,
   and finance their wild all-night parties?

   Is that what they do?

  Yes. I was reminded of this the other day by a friend who just came back
  from India.

Well your friend is clearly just unstressing and should stop spreading
these negative rumors.

Besides the scriptures state that one man attaining Brahman spreads
enlighenment throughout his family, so clearly Maharishi's nephews are
also enjoying a high degree of enlightenment which means their actions
are spontaneously in tune with All the Laws of Nature, the Will of
God, which means there's nothing wrong with their so-called wild
parties.  Are you enlightened Rick??  Who are you to judge them??

They clearly need fancy mansions and cars in order to entertain Indian
Gov't Dignitaries who are key to establishing large pundit groups who
will bring on Sat Yuga for all mankind, so who cares about their
apparent lavish lifestyles considering their larger purpose??

Besides, you should stay focused on King Nadar Ram and the Rajas, not
the nephews who have the real power, otherwise the CIA will get after
them and ruin humanity's only hope for a problem free life.

Is this irony or the usual true believer kidology? I can't tell anymore

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

2006-04-07 Thread wayback71

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 From: markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Reply-To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh 
 Yogi
 Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 16:28:04 -

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@
 wrote:

   on 4/7/06 10:33 AM, sparaig at sparaig@ wrote:

You mean about the $millions$ that have been skimmed by Maharishi's
nephews
running the Indian TMO, to build their fancy mansions, buy their
fancy cars,
and finance their wild all-night parties?

Is that what they do?

   Yes. I was reminded of this the other day by a friend who just came back
   from India.

 Well your friend is clearly just unstressing and should stop spreading
 these negative rumors.

 Besides the scriptures state that one man attaining Brahman spreads
 enlighenment throughout his family, so clearly Maharishi's nephews are
 also enjoying a high degree of enlightenment which means their actions
 are spontaneously in tune with All the Laws of Nature, the Will of
 God, which means there's nothing wrong with their so-called wild
 parties.  Are you enlightened Rick??  Who are you to judge them??

 They clearly need fancy mansions and cars in order to entertain Indian
 Gov't Dignitaries who are key to establishing large pundit groups who
 will bring on Sat Yuga for all mankind, so who cares about their
 apparent lavish lifestyles considering their larger purpose??

 Besides, you should stay focused on King Nadar Ram and the Rajas, not
 the nephews who have the real power, otherwise the CIA will get after
 them and ruin humanity's only hope for a problem free life.

 Is this irony or the usual true believer kidology? I can't tell anymore

He is joking.  I have had to ask the same question from time to time. That says 
something 
doesn't it?

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

on 4/7/06 11:52 AM, wayback71 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 on 4/7/06 10:33 AM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 You mean about the $millions$ that have been skimmed by Maharishi's
 nephews
 running the Indian TMO, to build their fancy mansions, buy their
 fancy cars,
 and finance their wild all-night parties?
 
 
 Is that what they do?
 
 Yes. I was reminded of this the other day by a friend who just came back
 from India.
 
 
 Any new details? 

The wild parties were new to me.

 How accurate do you think?

Trusted source. And he said the Srivastava's reputation for this is
well-known.

 Is the TMO level of graft any
 worse than all 
 the other organizations, or just bigger because it has more money?

Probably worse than most, better than some if we put it on a spectrum. Maybe
the more money there is, the worse the temptation, or the easier it is to
skim off large amounts.

Sigh.  
 After all these 
 years, why doesn't MMY have someone step in and say enough, clean up the books
 and 
 money. 

Not sure he has the power to do that. My theory is that the nephews have
been blackmailing him, but that's just a theory.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

2006-04-07 Thread Jason Spock




   Would the Nephews bite the hand that feeds them. Maharishi also protects them from Tax-raids. Without Maharishi they would have lot of problems.Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 13:24:07 -0500Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to MaharishiMahesh Yogi Not sure he has the power to do that. My theory is that the nephews have been blackmailing him, but that's just a theory.  
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

2006-04-07 Thread shempmcgurk

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 on 4/6/06 11:51 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@
  [...]
  No organization  connected with TM has ever done anything geared
  toward improving the financial well being of anyone other than
  themselves. What makes you think this would be any different. 
It's
  always been business for profit. Any financial gain to anyone 
else has
  always been incidential to organiztional profit as far a I have 
ever
  seen.
  
  
  This may be the case, but they've always been upfront about it.
 
 You mean about the $millions$ that have been skimmed by 
Maharishi's nephews
 running the Indian TMO, to build their fancy mansions, buy their 
fancy cars,
 and finance their wild all-night parties?


What wild all-night parties?







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi





on 4/7/06 1:34 PM, Jason Spock at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Would the Nephews bite the hand that feeds them. 

I think theyve got each other by the balls. It could go like this:
Nephews: Weve got some dirt on you MMY. Keep sending money or well divulge it.
MMY: Yeah, well you aint exactly squeaky-clean yourselves. Do something demonstrable with at least some of that money or I wont be able to raise more to send you. And besides, I really do want to help the world.
Nephews: Deal.

Maharishi also protects them from Tax-raids. 

How does he do that? Who protects him?

Without Maharishi they would have lot of problems.

Kindly explain what you think will happen when he dies.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

2006-04-07 Thread shempmcgurk

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard Hughes 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From: markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Reply-To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi 
Mahesh 
 Yogi
 Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 16:28:04 -

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@
 wrote:

   on 4/7/06 10:33 AM, sparaig at sparaig@ wrote:

You mean about the $millions$ that have been skimmed by 
Maharishi's
nephews
running the Indian TMO, to build their fancy mansions, buy 
their
fancy cars,
and finance their wild all-night parties?

Is that what they do?

   Yes. I was reminded of this the other day by a friend who just 
came back
   from India.

 Well your friend is clearly just unstressing and should stop 
spreading
 these negative rumors.

 Besides the scriptures state that one man attaining Brahman 
spreads
 enlighenment throughout his family, so clearly Maharishi's 
nephews are
 also enjoying a high degree of enlightenment which means their 
actions
 are spontaneously in tune with All the Laws of Nature, the Will of
 God, which means there's nothing wrong with their so-called wild
 parties.  Are you enlightened Rick??  Who are you to judge them??

 They clearly need fancy mansions and cars in order to entertain 
Indian
 Gov't Dignitaries who are key to establishing large pundit groups 
who
 will bring on Sat Yuga for all mankind, so who cares about their
 apparent lavish lifestyles considering their larger purpose??

 Besides, you should stay focused on King Nadar Ram and the Rajas, 
not
 the nephews who have the real power, otherwise the CIA will get 
after
 them and ruin humanity's only hope for a problem free life.

 Is this irony or the usual true believer kidology? I can't tell 
anymore

I had the same thought...and that's what was frightening about 
Richard's post.  I couldn't tell (at least Andy Kaufman used to 
say take my wife, please so we had a hint he was kidding).

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

2006-04-07 Thread Jason Spock

Maharishi hasconsiderable influence politico-social sphere in India. He can pull strings and get things done. Besides the number of devotees willing to obey him and do anything for him is still high. In India, if you have the right connections, Nothing can touch you. It is very different from America. I think the power of the Nephews will diminish if Maharishi attains Samadhi [Dies]. They cannot be completely ridden off. Probably, Bevan Morris and John Hagelin will be the two hot-shots controling the movement and it's finances. Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 13:55:05 -0500Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to MaharishiMahesh Yogi I think theyve got each other by the balls. It could go like this:Nephews: Weve got some dirt on you MMY. Keep sending money or well divulge it. MMY: Yeah, well you aint exactly squeaky-clean yourselves. Do something demonstrable with at least some of that money or I wont be able to raise
more to send you. And besides, I really do want to help the world.Nephews: Deal. Maharishi also protects them from Tax-raids. How does he do that? Who protects him? Without Maharishi they would have lot of problems. Kindly explain what you think will happen when he dies.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

2006-04-07 Thread Patrick Gillam

--- Rick Archer wrote:

 The wild parties were new to me.

I used to enjoy meditator parties because there was 
a lot of energy and we didn't have to rely on alcohol 
or drugs to get loose. As a Minneapolis musican told 
us at an MIU dance, Most people dance to some of 
the songs. You guys dance to every song.

That said, are these Srivastava parties marked by 
wanton abuse of drugs, or are they just an Indian 
version of the get-down-and-boogie nights 
I used to enjoy?

And if sex is involved, please provide details.  ;-)






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

2006-04-07 Thread peterklutz


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 Maharishi has considerable influence politico-social sphere in
India.  He can pull strings and get things done.  Besides the number
of devotees willing to obey him and do anything for him is still high.

   In India, if you have the right connections, Nothing can touch
you.  It is very different from America.

   I think the power of the Nephews will diminish if Maharishi
attains Samadhi [Dies].  They cannot be completely ridden off.  

   Probably, Bevan Morris and John Hagelin will be the two
hot-shots controling the movement and it's finances.
   
 Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 13:55:05 -0500
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi
 Mahesh Yogi
 

 I think they've got each other by the balls. It could go like this:
 Nephews: We've got some dirt on you MMY. Keep sending money or
we'll divulge it.MMY: Yeah, well you ain't exactly squeaky-clean
yourselves. Do something demonstrable with at least some of that money
or I won't be able to raise more to send you. And besides, I really do
want to help the world.
 Nephews: Deal.
   
  Maharishi also protects them from Tax-raids.  
 
   How does he do that? Who protects him?
   
  Without Maharishi they would have lot of problems.
 
   Kindly explain what you think will happen when he dies. 
 

Are you guys sure you didn't cross some wires during your last program
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

2006-04-07 Thread markmeredith2002

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 Maharishi has considerable influence politico-social sphere in
India.  He can pull strings and get things done.  Besides the number
of devotees willing to obey him and do anything for him is still high.

   In India, if you have the right connections, Nothing can touch
you.  It is very different from America.

   I think the power of the Nephews will diminish if Maharishi
attains Samadhi [Dies].  They cannot be completely ridden off.  

   Probably, Bevan Morris and John Hagelin will be the two
hot-shots controling the movement and it's finances.

Most of the money is in India now and that's controlled by nephews. 
Even many of the US accounts have girish varma listed as the
treasurer.  I really doubt MMY will give financial reins to any
westerners.  He doesn't really trust westerners anymore does he??  B
and H may still be hotshots, but the money will go to whoever MMY
leaves it.  


  
 Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 13:55:05 -0500
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi
 Mahesh Yogi
 

 I think they've got each other by the balls. It could go like this:
 Nephews: We've got some dirt on you MMY. Keep sending money or
we'll divulge it.MMY: Yeah, well you ain't exactly squeaky-clean
yourselves. Do something demonstrable with at least some of that money
or I won't be able to raise more to send you. And besides, I really do
want to help the world.
 Nephews: Deal.
   
  Maharishi also protects them from Tax-raids.  
 
   How does he do that? Who protects him?
   
  Without Maharishi they would have lot of problems.
 
   Kindly explain what you think will happen when he dies. 
 

 
   
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

2006-04-07 Thread peterklutz

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz peterklutz@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ 
 wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
   fairfieldlife@ wrote:
   
on 4/6/06 12:01 AM, Ingegerd at marwincornyarmand@ wrote:
 
 I once heard this theory that one way MMY ensures world 
 peace 
   is by
 attract some of the most stressed people on the planet and 
 have
 them
 do silly things in the TMO instead of letting them create 
 havoc
 outside the TMO sandbox.
 
 What a peculiar excuse for incompetence!
 Ingegerd

   
   
That's a Brigante theory. But these people he's referring to 
 are 
   generally
quite competent. Many of them accomplish a lot, except when 
   confronted with
impossible tasks, like the world's tallest building, or 
 rebuild 
   Geneva.
   
   
   ***
   
   Naturally you do not understand what I am saying. For those who 
 can 
   understand, here's what I do have to say about the apparent 
 chaos in 
   the TMO:
   
   http://geocities.com/bbrigante
  
  
  Well you didn't say anything, did you?
  
  I said it.
  
  And now I say this: just how did Ingegerd (and others) get from my
  statement to lack of competence? Where is the connection. The issue
  was karma and ignorance that make them dangerous.
  
  Did someone assume I was talking about the current TMO leadership? 
  
  I could have been, but I wasn't. 
  
  In fact, now that I think of it, maybe Richs list is what saves the
  world, by ensuring that the Sal's and who else of this world 
 remains
  chained to their keyboards instead of making the streets unsafe.
 
 When MMY is marketing that HIS knowledge will lead to a perfect 
 organisation and administration according to the Laws of Nature, it 
 does not make sense,when you see how he and his followers behave in 
 the TMO. I call it incompetence.
 Ingegerd
 

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

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on 4/7/06 2:17 PM, Jason Spock at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Probably, Bevan Morris and John Hagelin will be the two hot-shots controling the movement and it's finances.
 
Maybe, but I suspect that the nephews have even more clout.






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

on 4/7/06 2:39 PM, Patrick Gillam at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 That said, are these Srivastava parties marked by
 wanton abuse of drugs, or are they just an Indian
 version of the get-down-and-boogie nights
 I used to enjoy?

I don't know the details. Maybe we should send a gate crasher.




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

on 4/7/06 2:40 PM, peterklutz at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
 Are you guys sure you didn't cross some wires during your last program
   and confused spiritual leadership with the Sopranos?

I don't think it was we who crossed the wires.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

2006-04-07 Thread Patrick Gillam

--- Rick Archer wrote:

 Gillam wrote:
  
  That said, are these Srivastava parties marked by
  wanton abuse of drugs, or are they just an Indian
  version of the get-down-and-boogie nights
  I used to enjoy?
 
 I don't know the details. Maybe we should send a gate crasher.

I nominate Kirk Bernhardt.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

2006-04-07 Thread markmeredith2002

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock jedi_spock@ wrote:
 
  
  Maharishi has considerable influence politico-social sphere in
 India.  He can pull strings and get things done.  Besides the number
 of devotees willing to obey him and do anything for him is still high.
 
In India, if you have the right connections, Nothing can touch
 you.  It is very different from America.
 
I think the power of the Nephews will diminish if Maharishi
 attains Samadhi [Dies].  They cannot be completely ridden off.  
 
Probably, Bevan Morris and John Hagelin will be the two
 hot-shots controling the movement and it's finances.

  Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote:
Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 13:55:05 -0500
  Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi
  Mahesh Yogi
  
 
  I think they've got each other by the balls. It could go like
this:
  Nephews: We've got some dirt on you MMY. Keep sending money or
 we'll divulge it.MMY: Yeah, well you ain't exactly squeaky-clean
 yourselves. Do something demonstrable with at least some of that money
 or I won't be able to raise more to send you. And besides, I really do
 want to help the world.
  Nephews: Deal.

   Maharishi also protects them from Tax-raids.  
  
How does he do that? Who protects him?

   Without Maharishi they would have lot of problems.
  
Kindly explain what you think will happen when he dies. 
  
 
 Are you guys sure you didn't cross some wires during your last program
   and confused spiritual leadership with the Sopranos?

A couple yrs ago, a friend who knew alot about the Indian TMO said to
me something to the effect:  imagine what will happen to the brains of
the MUM crowd when the truth comes out and they realize the Indian TMO
has as much in common with the mafia as an ashram.  

Personally I don't know anything, but think it's pretty naive to think
that hundreds of millions of hard currency has disappeared into an
indian spiritual movement w/o there being some intriguing financial,
political and underworld-type scenarios tangentially involved (though
the Sai Baba empire surely has the juicest hidden stories).

PS - the rather popular novel Shantaram provides an interesting
glimpse into the indian mafias and their relationship with the 
spiritual world and Bollywood in Bombay.














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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

2006-04-07 Thread Vaj


On Apr 7, 2006, at 3:56 PM, Patrick Gillam wrote:

 --- Rick Archer wrote:
 
  Gillam wrote:
  
   That said, are these Srivastava parties marked by
   wanton abuse of drugs, or are they just an Indian
   version of the get-down-and-boogie nights
   I used to enjoy?
 
  I don't know the details. Maybe we should send a gate crasher.

 I nominate Kirk Bernhardt.

I second that emotion and pledge 20 USD towards his plane fare...


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[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

2006-04-07 Thread Jason Spock

My initator told me that the TM-org was using pundits and meditators to bring in Gold into into india. There was a time when Gold inflow was under severe controls in India. Every TM-org person coming in, had maximun permissible amount of gold with him which was collected by the Indian TM-org as soon as they land in the Airport.! For 6 decades, the Indian Movie industry was not recognised as an industry by the Indian Government. This caused severe funding problems for Bollywood. This forced Producers to approach the Mafia who would give funding for their movies.markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 20:03:21 -Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi A couple yrs ago, a friend who knew alot about the Indian TMO said to me something to the effect: imagine what will happen to the brains of the MUM crowd when the truth comes out and they realize the Indian TMO has as much in common with the mafia as an ashram. Personally I don't know anything, but think it's pretty naive to think that hundreds of millions of hard currency has disappeared into an indian spiritual movement w/o there being some intriguing financial, political and underworld-type scenarios tangentially involved (though the Sai Baba empire surely has the juicest hidden stories).PS - the rather popular
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

2006-04-07 Thread jyouells2000

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@
 wrote:
 
  on 4/7/06 10:33 AM, sparaig at sparaig@ wrote:
   
   You mean about the $millions$ that have been skimmed by Maharishi's
   nephews
   running the Indian TMO, to build their fancy mansions, buy their
   fancy cars,
   and finance their wild all-night parties?
   
   
   Is that what they do?
  
  Yes. I was reminded of this the other day by a friend who just
came back
  from India.
 
 Well your friend is clearly just unstressing and should stop spreading
 these negative rumors.  
 
 Besides the scriptures state that one man attaining Brahman spreads
 enlighenment throughout his family, so clearly Maharishi's nephews are
 also enjoying a high degree of enlightenment which means their actions
 are spontaneously in tune with All the Laws of Nature, the Will of
 God, which means there's nothing wrong with their so-called wild
 parties.  Are you enlightened Rick??  Who are you to judge them??
 
 They clearly need fancy mansions and cars in order to entertain Indian
 Gov't Dignitaries who are key to establishing large pundit groups who
 will bring on Sat Yuga for all mankind, so who cares about their
 apparent lavish lifestyles considering their larger purpose??
 
 Besides, you should stay focused on King Nadar Ram and the Rajas, not
 the nephews who have the real power, otherwise the CIA will get after
 them and ruin humanity's only hope for a problem free life.


Gee Mark, you do that really well :-) Better look out the Raja's are
looking for PR folks 

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

on 4/7/06 3:03 PM, markmeredith2002 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Are you guys sure you didn't cross some wires during your last program
   and confused spiritual leadership with the Sopranos?
 
 A couple yrs ago, a friend who knew alot about the Indian TMO said to
 me something to the effect:  imagine what will happen to the brains of
 the MUM crowd when the truth comes out and they realize the Indian TMO
 has as much in common with the mafia as an ashram.

Not only is $$ coming from overseas siphoned off, but the TMO steals from
itself:

One evening some years back Eberhard Doberstein was driving back to Noida
from TMO headquarters in New Delhi with the cash to pay the printing press
employees several weeks' salary. A car forced him off the road and guys in
masks brandishing guns forced him to give them the cash. It was an inside
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 on 4/7/06 10:33 AM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  You mean about the $millions$ that have been skimmed by Maharishi's
  nephews
  running the Indian TMO, to build their fancy mansions, buy their
  fancy cars,
  and finance their wild all-night parties?
  
  
  Is that what they do?
 
 Yes. I was reminded of this the other day by a friend who just came 
back
 from India.


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[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ 
wrote:
 
  on 4/7/06 10:33 AM, sparaig at sparaig@ wrote:
   
   You mean about the $millions$ that have been skimmed by 
Maharishi's
   nephews
   running the Indian TMO, to build their fancy mansions, buy 
their
   fancy cars,
   and finance their wild all-night parties?
   
   
   Is that what they do?
  
  Yes. I was reminded of this the other day by a friend who just 
came back
  from India.
 
 
 Any new details?  How accurate do you think?  Is the TMO level of 
graft any worse than all 
 the other organizations, or just bigger because it has more money? 
Sigh.  After all these 
 years, why doesn't MMY have someone step in and say enough, clean 
up the books and 
 money. Leave the TMO looking better. This kind of filth is so 
destructive if it really gets 
 out in a big way.  It could be all anyone really remembers, like 
Rajneesh and the sex and 
 cars (and maybe he had nothing else to offer anyway, but who knows 
or cares given the 
 garbage)


Assuming that they DO have parties all night, and this isn't someone 
having a little fun at Rick's expense.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

  
   My initator tells me that Maharishi's nephews fight among 
themselves for the share of the Loot.  

   He quoted one of the nephews making Statements like 'I stole 
in thousands, but he stole in Millions.'   etc
 

Your initiator heard this directly from one ofthe nephews? If not, 
he's repeating rumors, not quoting. A stupid thing for someone to 
do...

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   Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 16:52:26 -
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi 
Mahesh Yogi
 

 Any new details?  How accurate do you think?  Is the TMO level 
of graft any worse than all the other organizations, or just bigger 
because it has more money? Sigh.  After all these years, why doesn't 
MMY have someone step in and say enough, clean up the books and 
money. Leave the TMO looking better. This kind of filth is so 
destructive if it really gets out in a big way.  It could be all 
anyone really remembers, like Rajneesh and the sex and cars (and 
maybe he had nothing else to offer anyway, but who knows or cares 
given the garbage)
 
 Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote:
 
 You mean about the $millions$ that have been skimmed by 
Maharishi's nephews running the Indian TMO, to build their fancy 
mansions, buy their fancy cars, and finance their wild all-night 
parties?
 

 
   
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

on 4/7/06 5:06 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 wild all-night parties?
 
 
 Is that what they do?
 
 Yes. I was reminded of this the other day by a friend who just came
 back
 from India.
 
 
 They were present at these parties? How did they get invited?

He was telling be about the well-established reputation the Srivastavas have
among Indians in the know. He didn't personally attend the parties.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

2006-04-07 Thread TurquoiseB

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard Hughes 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 From: markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 Well your friend is clearly just unstressing and should stop 
spreading
 these negative rumors.
 
 Besides the scriptures state that one man attaining Brahman 
spreads
 enlighenment throughout his family, so clearly Maharishi's 
nephews are
 also enjoying a high degree of enlightenment which means their 
actions
 are spontaneously in tune with All the Laws of Nature, the Will of
 God, which means there's nothing wrong with their so-called wild
 parties.  Are you enlightened Rick??  Who are you to judge them??
 
 They clearly need fancy mansions and cars in order to entertain 
Indian
 Gov't Dignitaries who are key to establishing large pundit groups 
who
 will bring on Sat Yuga for all mankind, so who cares about their
 apparent lavish lifestyles considering their larger purpose??
 
 Besides, you should stay focused on King Nadar Ram and the Rajas, 
not
 the nephews who have the real power, otherwise the CIA will get 
after
 them and ruin humanity's only hope for a problem free life.
 
 
 Is this irony or the usual true believer kidology? I can't 
 tell anymore

I noticed that, too.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

2006-04-07 Thread authfriend

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard Hughes 
 richardhughes103@ wrote:
  From: markmeredith2002 markmeredith@
  
  Well your friend is clearly just unstressing and should stop 
 spreading
  these negative rumors.
  
  Besides the scriptures state that one man attaining Brahman 
 spreads
  enlighenment throughout his family, so clearly Maharishi's 
 nephews are
  also enjoying a high degree of enlightenment which means their 
 actions
  are spontaneously in tune with All the Laws of Nature, the Will 
of
  God, which means there's nothing wrong with their so-called wild
  parties.  Are you enlightened Rick??  Who are you to judge them??
  
  They clearly need fancy mansions and cars in order to entertain 
 Indian
  Gov't Dignitaries who are key to establishing large pundit 
groups 
 who
  will bring on Sat Yuga for all mankind, so who cares about their
  apparent lavish lifestyles considering their larger purpose??
  
  Besides, you should stay focused on King Nadar Ram and the 
Rajas, 
 not
  the nephews who have the real power, otherwise the CIA will get 
 after
  them and ruin humanity's only hope for a problem free life.
  
  
  Is this irony or the usual true believer kidology? I can't 
  tell anymore
 
 I noticed that, too.

I knew it was a spoof by the end of the first sentence.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

2006-04-07 Thread jyouells2000

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 Maharishi has considerable influence politico-social sphere in
India.  He can pull strings and get things done.  Besides the number
of devotees willing to obey him and do anything for him is still high.

   In India, if you have the right connections, Nothing can touch
you.  It is very different from America.

   I think the power of the Nephews will diminish if Maharishi
attains Samadhi [Dies].  They cannot be completely ridden off.  

   Probably, Bevan Morris and John Hagelin will be the two
hot-shots controling the movement and it's finances.


It depends on who controls the bank accounts. Bevan, John, and Tony
will be among the early casualties if the nephews have control of those.

JohnY






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- Rick Archer wrote:
 
  The wild parties were new to me.
 
 I used to enjoy meditator parties because there was 
 a lot of energy and we didn't have to rely on alcohol 
 or drugs to get loose. As a Minneapolis musican told 
 us at an MIU dance, Most people dance to some of 
 the songs. You guys dance to every song.
 
 That said, are these Srivastava parties marked by 
 wanton abuse of drugs, or are they just an Indian 
 version of the get-down-and-boogie nights 
 I used to enjoy?
 
 And if sex is involved, please provide details.  ;-)


Or tell you how to get invited?

(in my youth, *I*would be asking how to get invited, but perhaps I've 
mellowed, or lost my edge).






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 on 4/7/06 5:06 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  wild all-night parties?
  
  
  Is that what they do?
  
  Yes. I was reminded of this the other day by a friend who just 
came
  back
  from India.
  
  
  They were present at these parties? How did they get invited?
 
 He was telling be about the well-established reputation the 
Srivastavas have
 among Indians in the know. He didn't personally attend the parties.


WHich Indians in the know? Do they make the high-society pages in 
Indian newspapers with their scandalous ways?






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ 
wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ 
wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
  shempmcgurk@ 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ 
  wrote:
 
  Don't know if this is a binding contract or not, but it 
   certainly 
  implies that one agrees to not teach TM outside the 
  guidelines 
set 
 up 
  by the TM organization, incluidng any future requirements 
 of 
  recertification, wearing crowns, barking at the moon, etc.
 
 ...we are satisfied pretty much amends anything here, I 
 would
 say.
 

Perhaps, but its doubtful that that would stand up in a court 
  case 
concerning trademarks.
   
   If MMY is satisfied, why would there *be* a court case?
  
  
  Because the TMO says there is to be one?
 
 Against MMY's wishes?  What are you talking about?
 

MMY said he was satisfied that the people were getting something from 
what they learned. That doesn't mean he's satisfied that the 
trademark is being infringed.






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

2006-04-06 Thread Rick Archer

on 4/6/06 12:01 AM, Ingegerd at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 I once heard this theory that one way MMY ensures world peace is by
 attract some of the most stressed people on the planet and have
 them
 do silly things in the TMO instead of letting them create havoc
 outside the TMO sandbox.
 
 What a peculiar excuse for incompetence!
 Ingegerd

That's a Brigante theory. But these people he's referring to are generally
quite competent. Many of them accomplish a lot, except when confronted with
impossible tasks, like the world's tallest building, or rebuild Geneva.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

2006-04-06 Thread Jason Spock




 People with similar Vibrations attract each other. 'Birds of the same feather flock together.' People who have known each other in previous incarnations also attract each other. If Tm-org is a sand-box, then Tallest building is a Pie in the sky.?? Are Exc. Morris and Exc. Hagelin competent.??Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Date: Thu, 06 Apr
 2006 06:54:20 -0500Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to MaharishiMahesh Yogi That's a Brigante theory. But these people he's referring to are generally quite competent. Many of them accomplish a lot, except when confronted with impossible tasks, like the world's tallest building, or rebuild Geneva.on 4/6/06 12:01 AM, Ingegerd at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  I once heard this theory that one way MMY ensures world peace is by attract some of the most stressed people on the planet and have them do silly things in the TMO instead of letting them create havoc outside the TMO sandbox.  What a peculiar excuse for
 incompetence! Ingegerd  
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

2006-04-06 Thread Vaj


On Apr 6, 2006, at 7:54 AM, Rick Archer wrote:

 on 4/6/06 12:01 AM, Ingegerd at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  I once heard this theory that one way MMY ensures world peace is by
  attract some of the most stressed people on the planet and have
  them
  do silly things in the TMO instead of letting them create havoc
  outside the TMO sandbox.
 
  What a peculiar excuse for incompetence!
  Ingegerd

 That's a Brigante theory. But these people he's referring to are  
 generally
 quite competent. Many of them accomplish a lot, except when  
 confronted with
 impossible tasks, like the world's tallest building, or rebuild  
 Geneva.

Well, it *does* explain Brigante (self-referral anyone?), and a few  
others...





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

2006-04-06 Thread Vaj



On Apr 6, 2006, at 8:35 AM, Jason Spock wrote: People with similar Vibrations attract each other.  'Birds of the same feather flock together.'  People who have known each other in previous incarnations also attract each other. If Tm-org is a sand-box, then Tallest building is a Pie in the sky.?? Are Exc. Morris and Exc. Hagelin competent.??Is exchanging your integrity for having access to the world's biggest used mantra salesman competence?(...probably not.)





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

2006-04-06 Thread authfriend

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 on 4/6/06 12:01 AM, Ingegerd at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  I once heard this theory that one way MMY ensures world peace is 
by
  attract some of the most stressed people on the planet and have
  them
  do silly things in the TMO instead of letting them create havoc
  outside the TMO sandbox.
  
  What a peculiar excuse for incompetence!
  Ingegerd
 
 That's a Brigante theory. But these people he's referring to are
 generally quite competent.

People can be stressed and still competent.  And a
competent person who is stressed can create a lot
more havoc out in the real world when they're doing
things that *matter*.



 Many of them accomplish a lot, except when confronted with
 impossible tasks, like the world's tallest building, or rebuild 
Geneva.








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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

2006-04-06 Thread Rick Archer

Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi





on 4/6/06 7:35 AM, Jason Spock at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Are Exc. Morris and Exc. Hagelin competent.??

How many of us could do their jobs better? Sure, I see things I might do differently, especially my dealings with people (especially in Bevans case) but I couldnt fill either of their shoes.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 on 4/6/06 12:01 AM, Ingegerd at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  I once heard this theory that one way MMY ensures world peace is 
by
  attract some of the most stressed people on the planet and have
  them
  do silly things in the TMO instead of letting them create havoc
  outside the TMO sandbox.
  
  What a peculiar excuse for incompetence!
  Ingegerd
 
 That's a Brigante theory. But these people he's referring to are 
generally
 quite competent. Many of them accomplish a lot, except when 
confronted with
 impossible tasks, like the world's tallest building, or rebuild 
Geneva.


And they still accomplish quite a bit, even then.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

2006-04-06 Thread anon_astute_ff

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 anon_astute_ff wrote:
  If you have read the Bhagavata then you should know what 
  it says about one who sells this secret knowledge.
 
 If it's secret - how did you find out about it?


If you have read Puranic lore, various Ramayanas, you might begin to understand 
why it is 
considered secret. ...a little bit of knowledge is dangerous. 
Just look at the dribble that so much time is spent being spat over and over 
here.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

2006-04-06 Thread shempmcgurk

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 on 4/6/06 12:01 AM, Ingegerd at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  I once heard this theory that one way MMY ensures world peace 
is by
  attract some of the most stressed people on the planet and have
  them
  do silly things in the TMO instead of letting them create havoc
  outside the TMO sandbox.
  
  What a peculiar excuse for incompetence!
  Ingegerd
 
 That's a Brigante theory. But these people he's referring to are 
generally
 quite competent. Many of them accomplish a lot, except when 
confronted with
 impossible tasks, like the world's tallest building, or rebuild 
Geneva.



What are you saying, Rick, that raising $10 trillion is impossible?  
(by the way, the total U.S. national debt isn't that much...)






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

2006-04-06 Thread bob_brigante

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 on 4/6/06 12:01 AM, Ingegerd at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  I once heard this theory that one way MMY ensures world peace 
is by
  attract some of the most stressed people on the planet and have
  them
  do silly things in the TMO instead of letting them create havoc
  outside the TMO sandbox.
  
  What a peculiar excuse for incompetence!
  Ingegerd
 


 That's a Brigante theory. But these people he's referring to are 
generally
 quite competent. Many of them accomplish a lot, except when 
confronted with
 impossible tasks, like the world's tallest building, or rebuild 
Geneva.


***

Naturally you do not understand what I am saying. For those who can 
understand, here's what I do have to say about the apparent chaos in 
the TMO:

http://geocities.com/bbrigante






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
 fairfieldlife@ wrote:
 
  on 4/6/06 12:01 AM, Ingegerd at marwincornyarmand@ wrote:
   
   I once heard this theory that one way MMY ensures world peace 
 is by
   attract some of the most stressed people on the planet and have
   them
   do silly things in the TMO instead of letting them create havoc
   outside the TMO sandbox.
   
   What a peculiar excuse for incompetence!
   Ingegerd
  
  That's a Brigante theory. But these people he's referring to are 
 generally
  quite competent. Many of them accomplish a lot, except when 
 confronted with
  impossible tasks, like the world's tallest building, or rebuild 
 Geneva.
 
 
 
 What are you saying, Rick, that raising $10 trillion is 
impossible?  
 (by the way, the total U.S. national debt isn't that much...)


Yet...

Seriously, the goal is $10 trillion, but an investment of far less 
than 1% of that goal would provide long-term income for a lot of poor 
people if their analysis is correct.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

2006-04-06 Thread shempmcgurk

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
  fairfieldlife@ wrote:
  
   on 4/6/06 12:01 AM, Ingegerd at marwincornyarmand@ wrote:

I once heard this theory that one way MMY ensures world 
peace 
  is by
attract some of the most stressed people on the planet and 
have
them
do silly things in the TMO instead of letting them create 
havoc
outside the TMO sandbox.

What a peculiar excuse for incompetence!
Ingegerd
   
   That's a Brigante theory. But these people he's referring to 
are 
  generally
   quite competent. Many of them accomplish a lot, except when 
  confronted with
   impossible tasks, like the world's tallest building, or 
rebuild 
  Geneva.
  
  
  
  What are you saying, Rick, that raising $10 trillion is 
 impossible?  
  (by the way, the total U.S. national debt isn't that much...)
 
 
 Yet...
 
 Seriously, the goal is $10 trillion, but an investment of far less 
 than 1% of that goal would provide long-term income for a lot of 
poor 
 people if their analysis is correct.



Yeah, and if communism worked it would provide long-term income for 
a whole lot of poor people, too.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

2006-04-06 Thread peterklutz

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
 fairfieldlife@ wrote:
 
  on 4/6/06 12:01 AM, Ingegerd at marwincornyarmand@ wrote:
   
   I once heard this theory that one way MMY ensures world peace 
 is by
   attract some of the most stressed people on the planet and have
   them
   do silly things in the TMO instead of letting them create havoc
   outside the TMO sandbox.
   
   What a peculiar excuse for incompetence!
   Ingegerd
  
 
 
  That's a Brigante theory. But these people he's referring to are 
 generally
  quite competent. Many of them accomplish a lot, except when 
 confronted with
  impossible tasks, like the world's tallest building, or rebuild 
 Geneva.
 
 
 ***
 
 Naturally you do not understand what I am saying. For those who can 
 understand, here's what I do have to say about the apparent chaos in 
 the TMO:
 
 http://geocities.com/bbrigante


Well you didn't say anything, did you?

I said it.

And now I say this: just how did Ingegerd (and others) get from my
statement to lack of competence? Where is the connection. The issue
was karma and ignorance that make them dangerous.

Did someone assume I was talking about the current TMO leadership? 

I could have been, but I wasn't. 

In fact, now that I think of it, maybe Richs list is what saves the
world, by ensuring that the Sal's and who else of this world remains
chained to their keyboards instead of making the streets unsafe.










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[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

2006-04-06 Thread jyouells2000

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
  fairfieldlife@ wrote:
  
   on 4/6/06 12:01 AM, Ingegerd at marwincornyarmand@ wrote:

I once heard this theory that one way MMY ensures world peace 
  is by
attract some of the most stressed people on the planet and have
them
do silly things in the TMO instead of letting them create havoc
outside the TMO sandbox.

What a peculiar excuse for incompetence!
Ingegerd
   
   That's a Brigante theory. But these people he's referring to are 
  generally
   quite competent. Many of them accomplish a lot, except when 
  confronted with
   impossible tasks, like the world's tallest building, or rebuild 
  Geneva.
  
  
  
  What are you saying, Rick, that raising $10 trillion is 
 impossible?  
  (by the way, the total U.S. national debt isn't that much...)
 
 
 Yet...
 
 Seriously, the goal is $10 trillion, but an investment of far less 
 than 1% of that goal would provide long-term income for a lot of poor 
 people if their analysis is correct.


No organization  connected with TM has ever done anything geared
toward improving the financial well being of anyone other than
themselves. What makes you think this would be any different. It's
always been business for profit. Any financial gain to anyone else has
always been incidential to organiztional profit as far a I have ever seen.


JohnY








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[...]
 No organization  connected with TM has ever done anything geared
 toward improving the financial well being of anyone other than
 themselves. What makes you think this would be any different. It's
 always been business for profit. Any financial gain to anyone else has
 always been incidential to organiztional profit as far a I have ever 
seen.
 

This may be the case, but they've always been upfront about it. 





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

Don't know if this is a binding contract or not, but it certainly 
implies that one agrees to not teach TM outside the guidelines set up 
by the TM organization, incluidng any future requirements of 
recertification, wearing crowns, barking at the moon, etc.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Said I'd post this if I found it. If you haven't signed yours yet,  
 please send it in soon :-)
 
 Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
 
 (to be signed by the teacher of TM)
 
 It is my privilege Maharishi, to promise to teach the Principles 
and  
 Practice of Transcendental Meditation only as a teacher-employee 
of  
  which accepts me as such, that I will always hold the 
teaching  
 in trust for you, dear Maharishi, and that I will never use the  
 teaching except as teacher in  or other organizations founded 
by  
 you for the purpose of carrying on our work of spreading  
 Transcendental Meditation for the good of mankind; that as a 
teacher  
 in  I shall receive such compensation as shall be agreed 
between  
  and myself in writing and except as agreed in writing I 
expect  
 to receive no monetary compensation but am fully compensated by 
the  
 love and joy I receive from the work by the alleviation of 
suffering  
 that I may accomplish and by the wisdom I obtain, expulsate and  
 cherish. In furtherance of this pledge I acknowledge that prior to  
 receiving the training I had no prior knowledge of such system of  
 Teaching; that there is no other available source where the 
knowledge  
 of such training may be obtained; that such teaching has been  
 imparted to me in trust and confidence; that such training is 
secret  
 and unique. I further recognize as a Meditation Guide and Initiator 
I  
 am a link in the chain of organizations that you have founded, and  
 that to retain the purity of the teaching and movement you have 
laid  
 down the wise rule that, should I ever cease to teach in  or  
 other organizations founded by you, for the purpose of teaching  
 Transcendental Meditation, I may be restrained by appropriate 
process  
 from using this secret teaching and Transcendental Meditation  
 imparted to me.
 
 It is my fortune Guru Dev that I am being accepted to serve the 
Holy  
 Tradition and spread the light of God to all those who need it. It 
is  
 my joy to undertake the responsibility of representing the Holy  
 Tradition in all its purity as it has been given to me by 
Maharishi  
 and I promise on your alter Guru Dev that with all my heart and 
mind  
 I will always work within the framework of the Organizations 
founded  
 by Maharishi. And to you, Maharishi, I promise that as a 
Meditation  
 Guide I will be faithful in all ways to the trust that you have  
 placed in me.
 
 JAI GURU DEV








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

2006-04-05 Thread anon_astute_ff

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Said I'd post this if I found it. If you haven't signed yours yet,  
 please send it in soon :-)
 
 Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
 
 (to be signed by the teacher of TM)
 
 It is my privilege Maharishi, to promise to teach the Principles and  
 Practice of Transcendental Meditation only as a teacher-employee of  
  which accepts me as such, that I will always hold the teaching  
 in trust for you, dear Maharishi, and that I will never use the  
 teaching except as teacher in  or other organizations founded by  
 you for the purpose of carrying on our work of spreading  
 Transcendental Meditation for the good of mankind; that as a teacher  
 in  I shall receive such compensation as shall be agreed between  
  and myself in writing and except as agreed in writing I expect  
 to receive no monetary compensation but am fully compensated by the  
 love and joy I receive from the work by the alleviation of suffering  
 that I may accomplish and by the wisdom I obtain, expulsate and  
 cherish. In furtherance of this pledge I acknowledge that prior to  
 receiving the training I had no prior knowledge of such system of  
 Teaching; that there is no other available source where the knowledge  
 of such training may be obtained; that such teaching has been  
 imparted to me in trust and confidence; that such training is secret  
 and unique. I further recognize as a Meditation Guide and Initiator I  
 am a link in the chain of organizations that you have founded, and  
 that to retain the purity of the teaching and movement you have laid  
 down the wise rule that, should I ever cease to teach in  or  
 other organizations founded by you, for the purpose of teaching  
 Transcendental Meditation, I may be restrained by appropriate process  
 from using this secret teaching and Transcendental Meditation  
 imparted to me.
 
 It is my fortune Guru Dev that I am being accepted to serve the Holy  
 Tradition and spread the light of God to all those who need it. It is  
 my joy to undertake the responsibility of representing the Holy  
 Tradition in all its purity as it has been given to me by Maharishi  
 and I promise on your alter Guru Dev that with all my heart and mind  
 I will always work within the framework of the Organizations founded  
 by Maharishi. And to you, Maharishi, I promise that as a Meditation  
 Guide I will be faithful in all ways to the trust that you have  
 placed in me.

Who in the Holy Tradition would ever accept money for such?
They would go to hell.
What Guru would ever put such a sacred bond to paper?








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Don't know if this is a binding contract or not, but it certainly 
 implies that one agrees to not teach TM outside the guidelines set 
up 
 by the TM organization, incluidng any future requirements of 
 recertification, wearing crowns, barking at the moon, etc.





...we are satisfied pretty much amends anything here, I would say.




 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:
 
  Said I'd post this if I found it. If you haven't signed yours 
yet,  
  please send it in soon :-)
  
  Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
  
  (to be signed by the teacher of TM)
  
  It is my privilege Maharishi, to promise to teach the Principles 
 and  
  Practice of Transcendental Meditation only as a teacher-employee 
 of  
   which accepts me as such, that I will always hold the 
 teaching  
  in trust for you, dear Maharishi, and that I will never use the  
  teaching except as teacher in  or other organizations 
founded 
 by  
  you for the purpose of carrying on our work of spreading  
  Transcendental Meditation for the good of mankind; that as a 
 teacher  
  in  I shall receive such compensation as shall be agreed 
 between  
   and myself in writing and except as agreed in writing I 
 expect  
  to receive no monetary compensation but am fully compensated by 
 the  
  love and joy I receive from the work by the alleviation of 
 suffering  
  that I may accomplish and by the wisdom I obtain, expulsate and  
  cherish. In furtherance of this pledge I acknowledge that prior 
to  
  receiving the training I had no prior knowledge of such system 
of  
  Teaching; that there is no other available source where the 
 knowledge  
  of such training may be obtained; that such teaching has been  
  imparted to me in trust and confidence; that such training is 
 secret  
  and unique. I further recognize as a Meditation Guide and 
Initiator 
 I  
  am a link in the chain of organizations that you have founded, 
and  
  that to retain the purity of the teaching and movement you have 
 laid  
  down the wise rule that, should I ever cease to teach in  
or  
  other organizations founded by you, for the purpose of teaching  
  Transcendental Meditation, I may be restrained by appropriate 
 process  
  from using this secret teaching and Transcendental Meditation  
  imparted to me.
  
  It is my fortune Guru Dev that I am being accepted to serve the 
 Holy  
  Tradition and spread the light of God to all those who need it. 
It 
 is  
  my joy to undertake the responsibility of representing the Holy  
  Tradition in all its purity as it has been given to me by 
 Maharishi  
  and I promise on your alter Guru Dev that with all my heart and 
 mind  
  I will always work within the framework of the Organizations 
 founded  
  by Maharishi. And to you, Maharishi, I promise that as a 
 Meditation  
  Guide I will be faithful in all ways to the trust that you have  
  placed in me.
  
  JAI GURU DEV
 







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

2006-04-05 Thread Richard J. Williams

anon_astute_ff wrote:
 Who in the Holy Tradition would ever accept money for such?

Most all Holy Traditions in India accept money for operational
expenses. How do you think they build temples? I've seen donor's names
carved into the rock base of some temples. It's a common practice in
India to give money to your guru for instruction.
 
 They would go to hell.

Maybe so, but you or I don't get to make up the rules.

 What Guru would ever put such a sacred bond to paper?

Maybe not to paper, but it's all recited on a daily basis in the puja
to Guru Dev anyway. The TM puja contains an admonition to bow down
before your guru and pay homage. Bring fruit and flowers - these all
cost money. Most Indian spiritual traditions have an oath -
some are even secret oaths, such as those in the tantric tradition.
It's SOP for devotees.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

2006-04-05 Thread anon_astute_ff

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 anon_astute_ff wrote:
  Who in the Holy Tradition would ever accept money for such?
 
 Most all Holy Traditions in India accept money for operational
 expenses. How do you think they build temples? I've seen donor's names
 carved into the rock base of some temples. It's a common practice in
 India to give money to your guru for instruction.
  
  They would go to hell.
 
 Maybe so, but you or I don't get to make up the rules.
 
  What Guru would ever put such a sacred bond to paper?
 
 Maybe not to paper, but it's all recited on a daily basis in the puja
 to Guru Dev anyway. The TM puja contains an admonition to bow down
 before your guru and pay homage. Bring fruit and flowers - these all
 cost money. Most Indian spiritual traditions have an oath -
 some are even secret oaths, such as those in the tantric tradition.
 It's SOP for devotees.

If you have read the Bhagavata then you should know what it says about one who 
sells this 
secret knowledge.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

2006-04-05 Thread brahmachari108

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willytex@ wrote:
 
  anon_astute_ff wrote:
   Who in the Holy Tradition would ever accept money for such?
  
  Most all Holy Traditions in India accept money for operational
  expenses. How do you think they build temples? I've seen donor's names
  carved into the rock base of some temples. It's a common practice in
  India to give money to your guru for instruction.
   
   They would go to hell.
  
  Maybe so, but you or I don't get to make up the rules.
  
   What Guru would ever put such a sacred bond to paper?
  
  Maybe not to paper, but it's all recited on a daily basis in the puja
  to Guru Dev anyway. The TM puja contains an admonition to bow down
  before your guru and pay homage. Bring fruit and flowers - these all
  cost money. Most Indian spiritual traditions have an oath -
  some are even secret oaths, such as those in the tantric tradition.
  It's SOP for devotees.
 
 If you have read the Bhagavata then you should know what it says about one 
 who sells 
this 
 secret knowledge.


Yes, it says they go to hell.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 anon_astute_ff wrote:
  Who in the Holy Tradition would ever accept money for such?
 
 Most all Holy Traditions in India accept money for operational
 expenses. How do you think they build temples? I've seen donor's 
names
 carved into the rock base of some temples. It's a common practice 
in
 India to give money to your guru for instruction.
  
  They would go to hell.
 
 Maybe so, but you or I don't get to make up the rules.
 
  What Guru would ever put such a sacred bond to paper?
 
 Maybe not to paper, but it's all recited on a daily basis in the 
puja
 to Guru Dev anyway. The TM puja contains an admonition to bow down
 before your guru and pay homage. Bring fruit and flowers - these 
all
 cost money. Most Indian spiritual traditions have an oath -
 some are even secret oaths, such as those in the tantric tradition.
 It's SOP for devotees.




Who are you calling a sap, mister?






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

2006-04-05 Thread peterklutz

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, brahmachari108
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff no_reply@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams
willytex@ wrote:
  
   anon_astute_ff wrote:
Who in the Holy Tradition would ever accept money for such?
   
   Most all Holy Traditions in India accept money for operational
   expenses. How do you think they build temples? I've seen donor's
names
   carved into the rock base of some temples. It's a common practice in
   India to give money to your guru for instruction.

They would go to hell.
   
   Maybe so, but you or I don't get to make up the rules.
   
What Guru would ever put such a sacred bond to paper?
   
   Maybe not to paper, but it's all recited on a daily basis in the
puja
   to Guru Dev anyway. The TM puja contains an admonition to bow down
   before your guru and pay homage. Bring fruit and flowers - these all
   cost money. Most Indian spiritual traditions have an oath -
   some are even secret oaths, such as those in the tantric tradition.
   It's SOP for devotees.
  
  If you have read the Bhagavata then you should know what it says
about one who sells 
 this 
  secret knowledge.
 
 
 Yes, it says they go to hell.


Just how did this thread go from a remarkably simple and fair contract
regarding proprietary rights to Hell..?

I think some of the folks on this list is in serious need for
psychological attention.









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[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams 
willytex@ wrote:
 
  anon_astute_ff wrote:
   Who in the Holy Tradition would ever accept money for such?
  
  Most all Holy Traditions in India accept money for operational
  expenses. How do you think they build temples? I've seen donor's 
names
  carved into the rock base of some temples. It's a common 
practice in
  India to give money to your guru for instruction.
   
   They would go to hell.
  
  Maybe so, but you or I don't get to make up the rules.
  
   What Guru would ever put such a sacred bond to paper?
  
  Maybe not to paper, but it's all recited on a daily basis in the 
puja
  to Guru Dev anyway. The TM puja contains an admonition to bow 
down
  before your guru and pay homage. Bring fruit and flowers - these 
all
  cost money. Most Indian spiritual traditions have an oath -
  some are even secret oaths, such as those in the tantric 
tradition.
  It's SOP for devotees.
 
 If you have read the Bhagavata then you should know what it says 
about one who sells this 
 secret knowledge.



Yeah, and the Holy Bible says that if my neighbour works on the 
Sabbath that he should be put to death.

So what's your point?






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

2006-04-05 Thread Sal Sunshine

I think some of the people on this list is in serious need for first-grade grammar.

Sal


On Apr 5, 2006, at 1:53 PM, peterklutz wrote:

 I think some of the folks on this list is in serious need for
 psychological attention.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

2006-04-05 Thread markmeredith2002

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Just how did this thread go from a remarkably simple and fair contract
 regarding proprietary rights to Hell..?
 
 I think some of the folks on this list is in serious need for
 psychological attention.

Ahh, something we can all agree on!!










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[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, brahmachari108
 brahmachari108@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff no_reply@ 
wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams
 willytex@ wrote:
   
anon_astute_ff wrote:
 Who in the Holy Tradition would ever accept money for such?

Most all Holy Traditions in India accept money for 
operational
expenses. How do you think they build temples? I've seen 
donor's
 names
carved into the rock base of some temples. It's a common 
practice in
India to give money to your guru for instruction.
 
 They would go to hell.

Maybe so, but you or I don't get to make up the rules.

 What Guru would ever put such a sacred bond to paper?

Maybe not to paper, but it's all recited on a daily basis in 
the
 puja
to Guru Dev anyway. The TM puja contains an admonition to 
bow down
before your guru and pay homage. Bring fruit and flowers - 
these all
cost money. Most Indian spiritual traditions have an oath -
some are even secret oaths, such as those in the tantric 
tradition.
It's SOP for devotees.
   
   If you have read the Bhagavata then you should know what it 
says
 about one who sells 
  this 
   secret knowledge.
  
  
  Yes, it says they go to hell.
 
 
 Just how did this thread go from a remarkably simple and fair 
contract
 regarding proprietary rights to Hell..?
 
 I think some of the folks on this list is in serious need for
 psychological attention.



Of course!

And it only took you 93,791 posted messages to figure that out?

World Peace could have been achieved 3 years ago with all the energy 
that we all waste gossiping on this forum every day...







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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 I think some of the people on this list is in serious need for 
 first-grade grammar.




Sal, you is so right!




 
 Sal
 
 
 On Apr 5, 2006, at 1:53 PM, peterklutz wrote:
 
   I think some of the folks on this list is in serious need for
   psychological attention.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

2006-04-05 Thread authfriend

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff no_reply@ 
 wrote:
snip
  If you have read the Bhagavata then you should know what it says 
  about one who sells this secret knowledge.
 
 Yeah, and the Holy Bible says that if my neighbour works on the 
 Sabbath that he should be put to death.
 
 So what's your point?

Sounds to me like what Barry would call elitism.
If you *sell* this secret knowledge, then any old
jerk who has the money can obtain it.

If you're giving it away, however, you get to decide
who's pure and worthy enough to have it.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

2006-04-05 Thread peterklutz

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz peterklutz@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, brahmachari108
  brahmachari108@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff no_reply@ 
 wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams
  willytex@ wrote:

 anon_astute_ff wrote:
  Who in the Holy Tradition would ever accept money for such?
 
 Most all Holy Traditions in India accept money for 
 operational
 expenses. How do you think they build temples? I've seen 
 donor's
  names
 carved into the rock base of some temples. It's a common 
 practice in
 India to give money to your guru for instruction.
  
  They would go to hell.
 
 Maybe so, but you or I don't get to make up the rules.
 
  What Guru would ever put such a sacred bond to paper?
 
 Maybe not to paper, but it's all recited on a daily basis in 
 the
  puja
 to Guru Dev anyway. The TM puja contains an admonition to 
 bow down
 before your guru and pay homage. Bring fruit and flowers - 
 these all
 cost money. Most Indian spiritual traditions have an oath -
 some are even secret oaths, such as those in the tantric 
 tradition.
 It's SOP for devotees.

If you have read the Bhagavata then you should know what it 
 says
  about one who sells 
   this 
secret knowledge.
   
   
   Yes, it says they go to hell.
  
  
  Just how did this thread go from a remarkably simple and fair 
 contract
  regarding proprietary rights to Hell..?
  
  I think some of the folks on this list is in serious need for
  psychological attention.
 
 
 
 Of course!
 
 And it only took you 93,791 posted messages to figure that out?

I think I've been around for only maybe half of them. 

But I am still taken aback by the amount of bad will some people on
this list nurture against TM and its founder.

Entertaining feeling like that (unfounded or otherwise) is not good
for your health.

Isn't their anything that can be done to make them let go and start
having a life..?

 
 World Peace could have been achieved 3 years ago with all the energy 
 that we all waste gossiping on this forum every day...


I once heard this theory that one way MMY ensures world peace is by
attract some of the most stressed people on the planet and have them
do silly things in the TMO instead of letting them create havoc
outside the TMO sandbox.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

2006-04-05 Thread peterklutz

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff no_reply@ 
  wrote:
 snip
   If you have read the Bhagavata then you should know what it says 
   about one who sells this secret knowledge.
  
  Yeah, and the Holy Bible says that if my neighbour works on the 
  Sabbath that he should be put to death.
  
  So what's your point?
 
 Sounds to me like what Barry would call elitism.
 If you *sell* this secret knowledge, then any old
 jerk who has the money can obtain it.
 
 If you're giving it away, however, you get to decide
 who's pure and worthy enough to have it.


..or you give it to those you believe have a serious interest in
return for a donation to cover operational costs - which takes us full
circle in this thread.

The hard fact of the matter is that the TMO is recognized as non-profit.

So, suck it up all ye nay-sayers out there..








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
 
  Don't know if this is a binding contract or not, but it certainly 
  implies that one agrees to not teach TM outside the guidelines 
set 
 up 
  by the TM organization, incluidng any future requirements of 
  recertification, wearing crowns, barking at the moon, etc.
 
 
 
 
 
 ...we are satisfied pretty much amends anything here, I would say.
 
 
 

Perhaps, but its doubtful that that would stand up in a court case 
concerning trademarks.

 






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff no_reply@ 
[...]
  If you have read the Bhagavata then you should know what it says 
 about one who sells this 
  secret knowledge.
 
 
 
 Yeah, and the Holy Bible says that if my neighbour works on the 
 Sabbath that he should be put to death.
 
 So what's your point?


Well, there you go. Working sundown Friday to sundown Saturday is now 
out.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

2006-04-05 Thread authfriend

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
  
   Don't know if this is a binding contract or not, but it 
certainly 
   implies that one agrees to not teach TM outside the guidelines 
 set 
  up 
   by the TM organization, incluidng any future requirements of 
   recertification, wearing crowns, barking at the moon, etc.
  
  ...we are satisfied pretty much amends anything here, I would
  say.
  
 
 Perhaps, but its doubtful that that would stand up in a court case 
 concerning trademarks.

If MMY is satisfied, why would there *be* a court case?







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

2006-04-05 Thread Richard J. Williams

anon_astute_ff wrote:
 If you have read the Bhagavata then you should know what 
 it says about one who sells this secret knowledge.

If it's secret - how did you find out about it? 






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

2006-04-05 Thread Richard J. Williams

brahmachari108 wrote:
 Yes, it says they go to hell.

Except there is no such thing as the 'Bhagavata' - you probably meant
the Srimad Bhagwatam or the Bhagavad Gita. Some pundits you two turned
out to be!





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
  
   Don't know if this is a binding contract or not, but it 
certainly 
   implies that one agrees to not teach TM outside the guidelines 
 set 
  up 
   by the TM organization, incluidng any future requirements of 
   recertification, wearing crowns, barking at the moon, etc.
  
  
  
  
  
  ...we are satisfied pretty much amends anything here, I would 
say.
  
  
  
 
 Perhaps, but its doubtful that that would stand up in a court case 
 concerning trademarks.
 


I would agree; however, the agreement in question goes way, way 
beyond just trademarks. It talks about teaching meditation 
techniques very generally.  

I'm thinking here of that fellow in Florida who is teaching TM but 
calling it something different.  I don't think that case is a 
question of trademarks but rather whether he can teach TM.

I would think that MMY's we are satisfied quote would go a long 
way towards supporting the teacher's side...



 








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
shempmcgurk@ 
  wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ 
wrote:
   
Don't know if this is a binding contract or not, but it 
 certainly 
implies that one agrees to not teach TM outside the 
guidelines 
  set 
   up 
by the TM organization, incluidng any future requirements of 
recertification, wearing crowns, barking at the moon, etc.
   
   ...we are satisfied pretty much amends anything here, I would
   say.
   
  
  Perhaps, but its doubtful that that would stand up in a court 
case 
  concerning trademarks.
 
 If MMY is satisfied, why would there *be* a court case?


Because the TMO says there is to be one?






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