Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is Flaming Evil not allowed here? (9-11 -- The Inside Job )

[Angela Mailander]

The statement about attention span was a general statement based on stats.  
Statistics predict tendencies in systems---never individuals.  That Americans 
have a short attention span is something the rest of the world kind of knows 
about us---my guess is that this has something to do with the fact that we 
watch more TV than anyone else. Kids in other countries tend not to have 
attention deficit disorder to the extent our do.  But that can't be the only 
reason.  Europeans accused us of this trait back in the 19th century as well. 
Back then it was based on the  notion that Americans don't have much historical 
 consciousness.  For us history begins with Columbus and then skips to the 
Revolutionary War.  We tend not to see the present moment as containing within 
it Roman times and earlier.

Peoples do have characteristics, just as individuals do. Obviously, this fact 
cannot accurately be used to characterize individuals.  Germans for instance, 
tend to be pretty anal.  That can be annoying as hell, but, on the other hand, 
it also makes them some of the most thorough scholars in the world.  The 
American short attention span also has an upside: Americans tend not to be 
burdened by history.  Living in the moment is not necessarily a bad thing, is 
it?  a



new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   --- In 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Give it up, Edg, Feste37 ain't gonna listen.  Note that none of my
 posts have been personal attacks against anyone. I've posted what I've
 posted because I wanted to get an idea of what the reaction would be,
 and I've got what I wanted.  He thinks it's an obsession.  I've been
 posting for less than a month. American attention spans are short,
 
 kind of a shallow stereotype, doncha think? I am an american. Do I
 have a short attention span? Does Curtis? Does Barry? Does Marek? Does
 Sal? Does Rick? I am not defending Americans. Just asking if you
 don't   have some deeper classification categories. 
 
  so anything that outlasts an American attention span is an obsession. 
 
 OMG!
 
 
 
   

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Flaming Evil not allowed here? (9-11 -- The Inside Job )

[curtisdeltablues]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The statement about attention span was a general statement based on
stats.  Statistics predict tendencies in systems---never individuals.
 That Americans have a short attention span is something the rest of
the world kind of knows about us---my guess is that this has something
to do with the fact that we watch more TV than anyone else. Kids in
other countries tend not to have attention deficit disorder to the
extent our do.  But that can't be the only reason.

There are no such statistics, this is just prejudice and ethno-centric
snobbery.  I have lived in other countries and people's attention
spans cannot be summed up by country.  With your deep knowledge of
where this leads I am surprised that you would embrace a negative
stereotype about a certain culture's cognitive abilities.  You are
buying into a perspective that other countries use to take shots at
the US.  Well they may be the richest country in the world but they
have short attention spans.

People in different countries are shaped by their culture and beliefs
in certain ways but not in cognitive abilities.  If you want to sum up
a culture's qualities you can observe their customs.  For example my
Thai friends are influenced by their background not to show anger
directly.  Most, but not all Thais are influenced by this value system
concerning saving face.  But among my Thai friends, some have deep
powers of concentration and some of their minds flitter around like
little birds.

  Europeans accused us of this trait back in the 19th century as
well. Back then it was based on the  notion that Americans don't have
much historical  consciousness.  For us history begins with Columbus
and then skips to the Revolutionary War.  We tend not to see the
present moment as containing within it Roman times and earlier.

Educated people are aware of historical influences on the present in
every country.  Uneducated people are the same everywhere.  Living in
Paris doesn't make anyone think deeply.

 
 Peoples do have characteristics, just as individuals do. Obviously,
this fact cannot accurately be used to characterize individuals. 
Germans for instance, tend to be pretty anal.  That can be annoying as
hell, but, on the other hand, it also makes them some of the most
thorough scholars in the world.  The American short attention span
also has an upside: Americans tend not to be burdened by history. 
Living in the moment is not necessarily a bad thing, is it?  a


Here you are on to something but I don't believe it is due to our
short attention spans.  We are shaped by the cultural values of
letting things go and moving one.  It is part of the progressiveness
of our culture.  In the Mid East they are shaped by a cultural
tradition of revenge and remembering past wrongs so the next
generation can deliver payback.  This is a cultural value passed on. 
Here is a wonderful book on the subject about a woman whose father was
shot by a Palestinian who went undercover to meet the man and his
family who did it.
http://www.amazon.com/Revenge-Story-Hope-Laura-Blumenfeld/dp/0684853167


From Publishers Weekly
At its heart, this remarkable tale is a rite-of-passage story, an
intense and deeply personal journey. For newlywed and successful
Washington Post reporter Blumenfeld in 1998, life appeared to be just
about perfect. But she had a score to settle. In 1986, the same year
her mother declared she wanted a divorce, her father was shot by a
Palestinian terrorist while visiting Israel. Fortunately, the young
man had poor aim. But the impact on Blumenfeld was dramatic. That
year, as a college student, she wrote a poem in which she addressed
the shooter: this hand will find you/ I am his daughter. In 1998,
the shooter was released from prison. Blumenfeld saw her chance and
grabbed it. She traveled to such places as Bosnia, Sicily and Iran,
and interviewed both perpetrators and victims of violence to determine
the rituals and rites of revenge. She tracked down and spent hours
with the shooter's family, telling them only that she was American
journalist working on a book. She and the shooter became pen pals. The
book's only flaw, and it's minor, is a sense of detachment, though
Blumenfeld is an able and expressive writer and is not sparing when it
comes to personal revelations. The climax is astonishingly powerful a
masterfully rendered scene, crackling with the intensity of which
great, life-changing drama is made. (Apr. 4)Forecast: Needless to say,
a book about revenge against terrorism could not be better timed, and
aided by powerful writing and an excerpt in the New Yorker, this has
bestseller potential.
Copyright 2002 Cahners Business Information, Inc. 

 
 
 
 new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
  mailander111@ wrote:
  
   Give it up, Edg, Feste37 ain't gonna listen.  Note that none of my
  posts have been 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is Flaming Evil not allowed here? (9-11 -- The Inside Job )

[Vaj]

On Oct 31, 2007, at 10:49 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The statement about attention span was a general statement based on
stats. Statistics predict tendencies in systems---never individuals.
That Americans have a short attention span is something the rest of
the world kind of knows about us---my guess is that this has something
to do with the fact that we watch more TV than anyone else. Kids in
other countries tend not to have attention deficit disorder to the
extent our do. But that can't be the only reason.

There are no such statistics, this is just prejudice and ethno-centric
snobbery. I have lived in other countries and people's attention
spans cannot be summed up by country. With your deep knowledge of
where this leads I am surprised that you would embrace a negative
stereotype about a certain culture's cognitive abilities. You are
buying into a perspective that other countries use to take shots at
the US. Well they may be the richest country in the world but they
have short attention spans.



I actually had heard this, it was about 10-15 years ago from  
professionals in that field. In fact, one of the theories as to why  
they were so high in America was partially genetic, as the tendency  
to want to leave another country (i.e. Europe) to go to another  
country may stem from ADHD -- so that people who settled here have a  
higher percentage of attention deficit via the type of people who  
tend to want to move to a young, wild country. In any event, that  
what was being bandied about back then. So basically the early  
settlers here included a high percentage of ADHD people and we now  
pay the genetic price for that today.


But it was just a theory.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Flaming Evil not allowed here? (9-11 -- The Inside Job )

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 On Oct 31, 2007, at 10:49 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
  mailander111@ wrote:
  
   The statement about attention span was a general statement 
based on
  stats. Statistics predict tendencies in systems---never 
individuals.
  That Americans have a short attention span is something the rest 
of
  the world kind of knows about us---my guess is that this has 
something
  to do with the fact that we watch more TV than anyone else. Kids 
in
  other countries tend not to have attention deficit disorder to 
the
  extent our do. But that can't be the only reason.
 
  There are no such statistics, this is just prejudice and ethno-
centric
  snobbery. I have lived in other countries and people's attention
  spans cannot be summed up by country. With your deep knowledge of
  where this leads I am surprised that you would embrace a negative
  stereotype about a certain culture's cognitive abilities. You are
  buying into a perspective that other countries use to take shots 
at
  the US. Well they may be the richest country in the world but 
they
  have short attention spans.
 
 
 I actually had heard this, it was about 10-15 years ago from  
 professionals in that field. In fact, one of the theories as to 
why  
 they were so high in America was partially genetic, as the 
tendency  
 to want to leave another country (i.e. Europe) to go to another  
 country may stem from ADHD -- so that people who settled here have 
a  
 higher percentage of attention deficit via the type of people who  
 tend to want to move to a young, wild country. In any event, that  
 what was being bandied about back then. So basically the early  
 settlers here included a high percentage of ADHD people and we 
now  
 pay the genetic price for that today.
 
 But it was just a theory.

Benjamin Creme mentions something like that in describing the Rays 
of the USA. But for him it is a posivtive tendency of exploration 
now being materialized in the american dream of exploring more and 
more of the universe finding new frontiers.
http://www.shareintl.org

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is Flaming Evil not allowed here? (9-11 -- The Inside Job )

[Angela Mailander]

There are no statistics is not a statement a careful student or observer 
would make.  He or she would say instead, I am aware of no statistics.  As it 
happens, there are numerous studies on attention span, including cross cultural 
studies.  

To judge my statement on attention span a prejudice is itself prejudicial.  
Prejudice means pre-judgment. You cannot know if I am making a pre-judgment 
until you ask what my judgment is based on. Is it based on merely  informal 
observation?  Hearsay?  Ethnographic studies?

Whether a short attention span is a good thing or a bad thing depends on a 
number of different variables.  As I have already indicated, it can be a very 
good thing. Letting go of the past is a necessary component in any kind of 
creativity.  And, presumably, we wouldn't want the whole planet populated by a 
bunch of stodgy nineteenth century German scholars. I'm not qualified to judge 
if there is (or is not) a genetic component predating the present age that 
would make for a relatively shorter attention span among Americans.  That 
consistent behavior over a large enough population will create a genetic 
predisposition, however, seems a solid enough hypothesis.  TV certainly doesn't 
foster a long attention span, and neither does an educational system that is 
largely based on objective tests.   

nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   --- In 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  
  On Oct 31, 2007, at 10:49 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
   mailander111@ wrote:
   
The statement about attention span was a general statement 
 based on
   stats. Statistics predict tendencies in systems---never 
 individuals.
   That Americans have a short attention span is something the rest 
 of
   the world kind of knows about us---my guess is that this has 
 something
   to do with the fact that we watch more TV than anyone else. Kids 
 in
   other countries tend not to have attention deficit disorder to 
 the
   extent our do. But that can't be the only reason.
  
   There are no such statistics, this is just prejudice and ethno-
 centric
   snobbery. I have lived in other countries and people's attention
   spans cannot be summed up by country. With your deep knowledge of
   where this leads I am surprised that you would embrace a negative
   stereotype about a certain culture's cognitive abilities. You are
   buying into a perspective that other countries use to take shots 
 at
   the US. Well they may be the richest country in the world but 
 they
   have short attention spans.
  
  
  I actually had heard this, it was about 10-15 years ago from  
  professionals in that field. In fact, one of the theories as to 
 why  
  they were so high in America was partially genetic, as the 
 tendency  
  to want to leave another country (i.e. Europe) to go to another  
  country may stem from ADHD -- so that people who settled here have 
 a  
  higher percentage of attention deficit via the type of people who  
  tend to want to move to a young, wild country. In any event, that  
  what was being bandied about back then. So basically the early  
  settlers here included a high percentage of ADHD people and we 
 now  
  pay the genetic price for that today.
  
  But it was just a theory.
 
 Benjamin Creme mentions something like that in describing the Rays 
 of the USA. But for him it is a posivtive tendency of exploration 
 now being materialized in the american dream of exploring more and 
 more of the universe finding new frontiers.
 http://www.shareintl.org
 
 
 
   

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Flaming Evil not allowed here? (9-11 -- The Inside Job )

[curtisdeltablues]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 There are no statistics is not a statement a careful student or
observer would make.  He or she would say instead, I am aware of no
statistics.
 

Consider me not careful when responding to your post.  Good point.
 

 As it happens, there are numerous studies on attention span,
including cross cultural studies.  
 
 To judge my statement on attention span a prejudice is itself
prejudicial.  Prejudice means pre-judgment. You cannot know if I
am making a pre-judgment until you ask what my judgment is based on.
Is it based on merely  informal observation?  Hearsay?  Ethnographic
studies?

Excellent questions all.  So do they have answers or was this a
sophist trick to cover your tracks?

 
 Whether a short attention span is a good thing or a bad thing
depends on a number of different variables.  As I have already
indicated, it can be a very good thing. Letting go of the past is a
necessary component in any kind of creativity.  And, presumably, we
wouldn't want the whole planet populated by a bunch of stodgy
nineteenth century German scholars. I'm not qualified to judge if
there is (or is not) a genetic component predating the present age
that would make for a relatively shorter attention span among
Americans.  That consistent behavior over a large enough population
will create a genetic predisposition, however, seems a solid enough
hypothesis.  TV certainly doesn't foster a long attention span, and
neither does an educational system that is largely based on objective
tests. 

The statement about attention span was a general statement 
  based on
stats. Statistics predict tendencies in systems---never 
  individuals.
That Americans have a short attention span is something the rest 
  of
the world kind of knows about us-

Did the rest of the world come to their conclusions through their
careful review of studies too? 

When you make blanket statements about how Americans are fill in the
blank compared to the rest of the world, I think you are buying into
America bashing.   But hey I could be wrong, I'll be fascinated to
hear about all the cross cultural studies that you alluded to that
formed the basis of your opinion rather than just the prejudicial
winging it that forms the basis of what the rest of the world kind
of knows about us.

Good distinctions Angela.  I look forward to being proven wrong if I
am.  I could be misreading your claim of studies as a baseless bluff
when being called on a personal prejudice. Let's see. 
 



  
 
 nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:
  
   
   On Oct 31, 2007, at 10:49 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
mailander111@ wrote:

 The statement about attention span was a general statement 
  based on
stats. Statistics predict tendencies in systems---never 
  individuals.
That Americans have a short attention span is something the rest 
  of
the world kind of knows about us---my guess is that this has 
  something
to do with the fact that we watch more TV than anyone else. Kids 
  in
other countries tend not to have attention deficit disorder to 
  the
extent our do. But that can't be the only reason.
   
There are no such statistics, this is just prejudice and ethno-
  centric
snobbery. I have lived in other countries and people's attention
spans cannot be summed up by country. With your deep knowledge of
where this leads I am surprised that you would embrace a negative
stereotype about a certain culture's cognitive abilities. You are
buying into a perspective that other countries use to take shots 
  at
the US. Well they may be the richest country in the world but 
  they
have short attention spans.
   
   
   I actually had heard this, it was about 10-15 years ago from  
   professionals in that field. In fact, one of the theories as to 
  why  
   they were so high in America was partially genetic, as the 
  tendency  
   to want to leave another country (i.e. Europe) to go to another  
   country may stem from ADHD -- so that people who settled here have 
  a  
   higher percentage of attention deficit via the type of people who  
   tend to want to move to a young, wild country. In any event, that  
   what was being bandied about back then. So basically the early  
   settlers here included a high percentage of ADHD people and we 
  now  
   pay the genetic price for that today.
   
   But it was just a theory.
  
  Benjamin Creme mentions something like that in describing the Rays 
  of the USA. But for him it is a posivtive tendency of exploration 
  now being materialized in the american dream of exploring more and 
  more of the universe finding new frontiers.
  http://www.shareintl.org
  
  
  

 
  Send instant messages to 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Flaming Evil not allowed here? (9-11 -- The Inside Job )

[feste37]

An amazingly stupid theory, I'd say, although probably no more stupid
than one might expect from professionals in the field.  But it does
raise some interesting possibilities. I suspect that Jesus suffered
from ADD. He couldn't stand all those Pharisaic laws and regulations
-- whenever he tried to study them they made his brain hurt! -- so he
came out with the Sermon on the Mount, which can be written out on
less than a page and easily learned by anyone -- perfect for ADD
folks! Can anyone refute my theory? 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 I actually had heard this, it was about 10-15 years ago from  
 professionals in that field. In fact, one of the theories as to why  
 they were so high in America was partially genetic, as the tendency  
 to want to leave another country (i.e. Europe) to go to another  
 country may stem from ADHD -- so that people who settled here have a  
 higher percentage of attention deficit via the type of people who  
 tend to want to move to a young, wild country. In any event, that  
 what was being bandied about back then. So basically the early  
 settlers here included a high percentage of ADHD people and we now  
 pay the genetic price for that today.
 
 But it was just a theory.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Flaming Evil not allowed here? (9-11 -- The Inside Job )

[lurkernomore20002000]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
SNIP
 The American short attention span also has an upside: Americans tend 
not to be burdened by history.  Living in the moment is not 
necessarily a bad thing, is it?  

Lurk:
What was the moment phrase - Icebergs are melting.  Careful Angela, 
you're getting ankle deep in some funny waters.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is Flaming Evil not allowed here? (9-11 -- The Inside Job )

[Angela Mailander]

Curtisdeltablues, thanks a billion, dude, I think this has the makings of a 
really good conversation.  
First off, I love wherever I am to death.  And I am profoundly at home here in 
Ff, but I fucking miss China where I was equally at home.  
The fact is that I see this place going down the fascist road to hell that I 
have experienced once in my life first hand already.  Now, in a rabbit warren, 
this experience would be considered essential knowledge for survival . I'm 
pretty good at reading the road signs.  I am a fourth generation refugee.  I'm 
genetically programmed that way, I  can't help it. And then, like it or not, I 
got an amazing education---there is not doubt about that.
Now, if I say Americans are a bunch of stupid assholes, I probably mean exactly 
that. And one reason I am so good at recognizing the indisputable and 
scientifically established fact that Americans are a bunch of stupid assholes 
is because I am for friggin sure one of you.  It's true I'm not a citizen, but 
you can think of my status as a kind common law marriage.  Jefferson, would 
have accorded me citizenship a thousand time over, and I am truly sorry Bush is 
not so inclined.
I also believe that every weakness is the other side of a strength.  If this 
weren't true, it would be impossible to get through life.

I love that you love my questions.  Of course they have answers.  Not only  do 
they have answers, they have an infinite number of possible answers you  could 
spin and then argue for successfully and support with studies.  Another thing 
you can say about Americans is that they have studies about everything 
including studies of studies of studies.  

In a world like this, of course a good rabbit knows how to cover her tracks.

Did the rest of the world notice that Americans have a relatively short 
attention span in some legitimate manner that you would recognize as being 
legit?  I think they have.  But see, a kind of heart to heart recognition of 
one human to another, a recognition beyond time, place, and condition, 
necessarily precedes the  super-scientific studies. The studies are the stories 
we invent when  we can't seem to trust  another's knowledge and love. 

There are studies, and you can find them on the Internet.  And oh, by the way, 
I must confess to abysmal stupidity when it comes to the Internet, as some of 
you have correctly surmised. I have kind of just discovered it.  Don't forget 
that not only am I senile as hell, I'm also a recovering technophobe who was 
basically raised in 19th century Germany.  Bombing somebody back to the stone 
age is one of those expressions that is an excellent example of anagoge. The 
war literally bombed the place back about a hundred years.

I do not blindly buy into bashing anyone, you abominable troll; bashing is much 
more successful if you can actually see the target. 
I am so very happy that flaming evil is allowed here.
Thanks again, dude, for giving me the benefit of the doubt. a  

curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   --- 
In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  There are no statistics is not a statement a careful student or
 observer would make.  He or she would say instead, I am aware of no
 statistics.
  
 
 Consider me not careful when responding to your post.  Good point.
  
 
 As it happens, there are numerous studies on attention span,
 including cross cultural studies.  
  
  To judge my statement on attention span a prejudice is itself
 prejudicial.  Prejudice means pre-judgment. You cannot know if I
 am making a pre-judgment until you ask what my judgment is based on.
 Is it based on merely  informal observation?  Hearsay?  Ethnographic
 studies?
 
 Excellent questions all.  So do they have answers or was this a
 sophist trick to cover your tracks?
 
  
  Whether a short attention span is a good thing or a bad thing
 depends on a number of different variables.  As I have already
 indicated, it can be a very good thing. Letting go of the past is a
 necessary component in any kind of creativity.  And, presumably, we
 wouldn't want the whole planet populated by a bunch of stodgy
 nineteenth century German scholars. I'm not qualified to judge if
 there is (or is not) a genetic component predating the present age
 that would make for a relatively shorter attention span among
 Americans.  That consistent behavior over a large enough population
 will create a genetic predisposition, however, seems a solid enough
 hypothesis.  TV certainly doesn't foster a long attention span, and
 neither does an educational system that is largely based on objective
 tests. 
 
 The statement about attention span was a general statement 
   based on
 stats. Statistics predict tendencies in systems---never 
   individuals.
 That Americans have a short attention span is something the rest 
   of
 the world kind of knows about us-
 
 Did the rest of the world come to their 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is Flaming Evil not allowed here? (9-11 -- The Inside Job )

[Angela Mailander]

I take it the water is fine??

lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 SNIP
  The American short attention span also has an upside: Americans tend 
 not to be burdened by history.  Living in the moment is not 
 necessarily a bad thing, is it?  
 
 Lurk:
 What was the moment phrase - Icebergs are melting.  Careful Angela, 
 you're getting ankle deep in some funny waters.
 
 
 
   

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Flaming Evil not allowed here? (9-11 -- The Inside Job )

[curtisdeltablues]

I was just sticking up for Americans Angela.  We gotta big country
here full of people from everywhere.  I don't like to see us summed up
any one way just because we have had two terms of Foghorn Leghorn.
Boy's as sharp as a bowling ball. 

benefit of the doubt, not yet baby.  I think you've been sling'n
hash like a short order cook.  

Americans are just a form of human and we aren't mostly any one way. 
That is the best quality of America for me. My America serves
Vietnamese Pho for lunch anytime I feel like it.

Glad you're having fun in this great country. 




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Curtisdeltablues, thanks a billion, dude, I think this has the
makings of a really good conversation.  
 First off, I love wherever I am to death.  And I am profoundly at
home here in Ff, but I fucking miss China where I was equally at home.  
 The fact is that I see this place going down the fascist road to
hell that I have experienced once in my life first hand already.  Now,
in a rabbit warren, this experience would be considered essential
knowledge for survival . I'm pretty good at reading the road signs.  I
am a fourth generation refugee.  I'm genetically programmed that way,
I  can't help it. And then, like it or not, I got an amazing
education---there is not doubt about that.
 Now, if I say Americans are a bunch of stupid assholes, I probably
mean exactly that. And one reason I am so good at recognizing the
indisputable and scientifically established fact that Americans are a
bunch of stupid assholes is because I am for friggin sure one of you.
 It's true I'm not a citizen, but you can think of my status as a kind
common law marriage.  Jefferson, would have accorded me citizenship a
thousand time over, and I am truly sorry Bush is not so inclined.
 I also believe that every weakness is the other side of a strength.
 If this weren't true, it would be impossible to get through life.
 
 I love that you love my questions.  Of course they have answers. 
Not only  do they have answers, they have an infinite number of
possible answers you  could spin and then argue for successfully and
support with studies.  Another thing you can say about Americans is
that they have studies about everything including studies of studies
of studies.  
 
 In a world like this, of course a good rabbit knows how to cover her
tracks.
 
 Did the rest of the world notice that Americans have a relatively
short attention span in some legitimate manner that you would
recognize as being legit?  I think they have.  But see, a kind of
heart to heart recognition of one human to another, a recognition
beyond time, place, and condition, necessarily precedes the 
super-scientific studies. The studies are the stories we invent when 
we can't seem to trust  another's knowledge and love. 
 
 There are studies, and you can find them on the Internet.  And oh,
by the way, I must confess to abysmal stupidity when it comes to the
Internet, as some of you have correctly surmised. I have kind of just
discovered it.  Don't forget that not only am I senile as hell, I'm
also a recovering technophobe who was basically raised in 19th century
Germany.  Bombing somebody back to the stone age is one of those
expressions that is an excellent example of anagoge. The war literally
bombed the place back about a hundred years.
 
 I do not blindly buy into bashing anyone, you abominable troll;
bashing is much more successful if you can actually see the target. 
 I am so very happy that flaming evil is allowed here.
 Thanks again, dude, for giving me the benefit of the doubt. a  
 
 curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
  mailander111@ wrote:
  
   There are no statistics is not a statement a careful student or
  observer would make.  He or she would say instead, I am aware of no
  statistics.
   
  
  Consider me not careful when responding to your post.  Good point.
   
  
  As it happens, there are numerous studies on attention span,
  including cross cultural studies.  
   
   To judge my statement on attention span a prejudice is itself
  prejudicial.  Prejudice means pre-judgment. You cannot know if I
  am making a pre-judgment until you ask what my judgment is based on.
  Is it based on merely  informal observation?  Hearsay?  Ethnographic
  studies?
  
  Excellent questions all.  So do they have answers or was this a
  sophist trick to cover your tracks?
  
   
   Whether a short attention span is a good thing or a bad thing
  depends on a number of different variables.  As I have already
  indicated, it can be a very good thing. Letting go of the past is a
  necessary component in any kind of creativity.  And, presumably, we
  wouldn't want the whole planet populated by a bunch of stodgy
  nineteenth century German scholars. I'm not qualified to judge if
  there is (or is not) a genetic component predating the present age
  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is Flaming Evil not allowed here? (9-11 -- The Inside Job )

[Angela Mailander]

I agree with you totally on every point.  
I am having fun, but I am not at all deluded about what is happening here.  It 
is because I love America that I am really concerned. a

curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   I was 
just sticking up for Americans Angela.  We gotta big country
 here full of people from everywhere.  I don't like to see us summed up
 any one way just because we have had two terms of Foghorn Leghorn.
 Boy's as sharp as a bowling ball. 
 
 benefit of the doubt, not yet baby.  I think you've been sling'n
 hash like a short order cook.  
 
 Americans are just a form of human and we aren't mostly any one way. 
 That is the best quality of America for me. My America serves
 Vietnamese Pho for lunch anytime I feel like it.
 
 Glad you're having fun in this great country. 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Curtisdeltablues, thanks a billion, dude, I think this has the
 makings of a really good conversation.  
  First off, I love wherever I am to death.  And I am profoundly at
 home here in Ff, but I fucking miss China where I was equally at home.  
  The fact is that I see this place going down the fascist road to
 hell that I have experienced once in my life first hand already.  Now,
 in a rabbit warren, this experience would be considered essential
 knowledge for survival . I'm pretty good at reading the road signs.  I
 am a fourth generation refugee.  I'm genetically programmed that way,
 I  can't help it. And then, like it or not, I got an amazing
 education---there is not doubt about that.
  Now, if I say Americans are a bunch of stupid assholes, I probably
 mean exactly that. And one reason I am so good at recognizing the
 indisputable and scientifically established fact that Americans are a
 bunch of stupid assholes is because I am for friggin sure one of you.
  It's true I'm not a citizen, but you can think of my status as a kind
 common law marriage.  Jefferson, would have accorded me citizenship a
 thousand time over, and I am truly sorry Bush is not so inclined.
  I also believe that every weakness is the other side of a strength.
  If this weren't true, it would be impossible to get through life.
  
  I love that you love my questions.  Of course they have answers. 
 Not only  do they have answers, they have an infinite number of
 possible answers you  could spin and then argue for successfully and
 support with studies.  Another thing you can say about Americans is
 that they have studies about everything including studies of studies
 of studies.  
  
  In a world like this, of course a good rabbit knows how to cover her
 tracks.
  
  Did the rest of the world notice that Americans have a relatively
 short attention span in some legitimate manner that you would
 recognize as being legit?  I think they have.  But see, a kind of
 heart to heart recognition of one human to another, a recognition
 beyond time, place, and condition, necessarily precedes the 
 super-scientific studies. The studies are the stories we invent when 
 we can't seem to trust  another's knowledge and love. 
  
  There are studies, and you can find them on the Internet.  And oh,
 by the way, I must confess to abysmal stupidity when it comes to the
 Internet, as some of you have correctly surmised. I have kind of just
 discovered it.  Don't forget that not only am I senile as hell, I'm
 also a recovering technophobe who was basically raised in 19th century
 Germany.  Bombing somebody back to the stone age is one of those
 expressions that is an excellent example of anagoge. The war literally
 bombed the place back about a hundred years.
  
  I do not blindly buy into bashing anyone, you abominable troll;
 bashing is much more successful if you can actually see the target. 
  I am so very happy that flaming evil is allowed here.
  Thanks again, dude, for giving me the benefit of the doubt. a  
  
  curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
   mailander111@ wrote:
   
There are no statistics is not a statement a careful student or
   observer would make.  He or she would say instead, I am aware of no
   statistics.

   
   Consider me not careful when responding to your post.  Good point.

   
   As it happens, there are numerous studies on attention span,
   including cross cultural studies.  

To judge my statement on attention span a prejudice is itself
   prejudicial.  Prejudice means pre-judgment. You cannot know if I
   am making a pre-judgment until you ask what my judgment is based on.
   Is it based on merely  informal observation?  Hearsay?  Ethnographic
   studies?
   
   Excellent questions all.  So do they have answers or was this a
   sophist trick to cover your tracks?
   

Whether a short attention span is a good thing or a bad thing
   depends on a number of different variables.  As I have 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is Flaming Evil not allowed here? (9-11 -- The Inside Job )

[Peter]

The only problem I find with America is that it
doesn't identify the delusional fast enough to
hospitalize them. Instead it offers them internet
access. Oh well. By the way, racecar spelled backwards
is racecar. Makes you think, doesn't it?
 
--- Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I did answer it.  And what makes you think I despise
 it? On the contrary, I love it.  America has offered
 sanctuary to many thousands and America has also
 sent many thousands to their deaths.  America has
 turned back ships of Jewish refugees, and with full
 knowledge sending them to their deaths.  America is
 more complex, apparently, and more deep than you
 would have her be.  And equally apparent is that you
 think me more simple than I am. a
 
 feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  
 Of course it was a serious question, and
 you chose not to answer it.
  You stated that US actions around the world
 post-WWII made Hitler
  look like a boy scout. Nothing you have said here
 has explained or
  justified that outlandish statement. 
  
  America has offered sanctuary to many thousands of
 people fleeing from
  all kinds of tyrannies. It offered you a chance, I
 presume, as a
  foreigner, to come here and make a success of your
 life. It offered
  you freedom. Why do you appear to despise it so
 much? 
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela
 Mailander
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   I take it, Show me the American Holocaust,
 please is not a serious
  question because I could show you, but I doubt you
 want to see what is
  going on under our noses right now in terms of
 America transforming
  itself into a military dictatorship and inflicting
 pain and torture on
  a significant number of our fellow creatures.  Are
 they really our
  enemies?  And if they are, are enemies created?  
 If so, who creates 
  them? and why?  
   
   In my opinion, the evidence that America has been
 creating evil
  dictators and concomitant wars all around the world
 for at least a
  hundred years is compelling, but I could be wrong.
 What would you
  conclude if you saw the same M.O. all over the
 globe, like a serial
  killer. You;d ask the usual questions: motive?
 opportunity? benefit? 
  what does the evidence tell you?  What have other
 great detectives
  concluded who have been watching this?  Do their
 points of  view come
  in schools?  Do they have axes to grind?  
   
   It looks to me that it's America's turn to become
 the locus of this
  energy which we have been calling fascist, but I'm
 cool with any name
  you want to suggest. Just who or what is America?
 Somebody's tool? 
  Autonomous? Who or what governs it? If anything.
 What is the energy
  that animates us, not as individuals, but as a
 people of a world
  divided against itself---who or what creates it? 
 Maybe the periodic
  fascist occurrences on the planet are like an evil
 spirit manifesting
  all over the place, and people aren't to blame for
 expressing that
  spirit, they have no real choice.
   
   But there are many ways to see anything.  What do
 you think is
  actually going on on this planet?  Do you think the
 planet is just
  fine?  Do you think humanity is just fine?  Do you
 care?  If so, why?   
   
   Do you think that periodic culling of a herd is
 necessary for its
  continued health and vitality and even survival? 
   
   You're an intelligent biological entity, 
   a cell in a computer called humanity, 
   incarnate on a planet, 
   at a certain point in history, 
   what the fuck do you see? 
   
   
   feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
  Try to
  write a post without mentioning Hitler. You kill
 your case by
overstating it. America in the world post-WWII
 makes Hitler look like
a boy scout? Show me the American Holocaust
 please.  

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela
 Mailander
mailander111@ wrote:

 The Maharishi effect and the reverse
 Maharishi effect are both
in the Bible, so neither concept is anything
 new.  
 
 I am not appalled by spelling errors or by
 fuck you's liberally
sprinkled in other people's prose, but the
 indifference I've seen to
the suffering and large-scale death America has
 inflicted world-wide
since 45, and which makes Hitler look like a boy
 scout, appalls me as
much as it does Edg.  America is just beginning
 to wake up to the fact
that she created Hitler as a tool in the same
 way she created Saddam
Hussein and a bunch of other evil dictators. 
 It's a familiar M.O. by
now, but wearing a bit thin in the world.  In
 1945, the Germans were
still ignorant enough to welcome the American
 army as liberators (as
Bush thought the people in Iraq should and
 would). Germans didn't
figure out till the late fifties what really
 happened.  So it's taken
another almost fifty years before there is any
 indication that
ordinary Americans are waking up to who their
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Flaming Evil not allowed here? (9-11 -- The Inside Job )

[new . morning]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The only problem I find with America is that it
 doesn't identify the delusional fast enough to
 hospitalize them. Instead it offers them internet
 access. Oh well. By the way, racecar spelled bpackwards
 is racecar. Makes you think, doesn't it?

And racecar is not the end of it! 1961 -- is the same if you turn it
upside down. And MMY first came to the US in 1961. 'Nuf said. Those
who get it will understand. Though many have struggled to keep it
hidden from view -- for the advantage of the 100 Families. But more on
that later.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Flaming Evil not allowed here? (9-11 -- The Inside Job )

[Duveyoung]

Feste37,

Let's have a reality check here.  Here's your chance to nay-or-yaysay
the numbers.  Do you have the courage to look at these numbers?

Do you have the courage?

The Holocaust in WWII Germany cost six million lives.  Okay, that's
the standard.  Let's see if that bar is set too high for America to jump.

Do you agree that Saddam was put in power by America and that he
killed via capital punishment over 500,000 Iraqi citizens?

http://wais.stanford.edu/Iraq/iraq_deathsundersaddamhussein42503.html

Running total: 500,000 dead due to America.

Do you agree that over 600,000 Iraqis have been killed in the last
five years?

http://www.thelancet.com/webfiles/images/journals/lancet/s0140673606694919.pdf

Running total: 1,100,000 dead due to America.

Do you agree that the war between Iraq and Iran was sponsored by the
USA which provided gas and guns to Saddam who then used these weapons
against Iran and that one million Iraqi and Iranian soldiers were
killed in that war?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran-Iraq_War

Running total: 2,100,000 dead due to America.

Do you agree that more than 40,000,000 Native Americans have been
genocidally reduced to less than half a million today?

http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761570777/Native_Americans_of_North_America.html

Running total:  41,100,000 dead due to America.

Do you agree that being a slave is a living death?  If so, add
another 4,000,000 lives.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_events_leading_to_the_American_Civil_War

Running total:  44,100,000 dead due to America.

And for a mere 75 billion dollars every person on the planet could
have running clean water and electrification, but lacking this up to
2,000,000 children die each year due to disease. (Other estimates are
up to 30,000,000 each year, but let's just take the low number.)

http://www.prb.org/CPIPR/NewReleases/Cutler2005.aspx

Yet, BushCo just vetoed a mere five billion for the health of AMERICAN
CHILDREN.

Feste37, there's your numbers, there's your holocaust, there's your evil.

If you cannot counter the above figures, if you cannot feel the pain
of any of the families of the dead, if you cannot see that America's
psyche is completely comfortable with murdering innocents to get their
property, then your blindness is exactly the foundation that our
Killer Elite is counting on -- an audience that's sure to applaud when
the carnage splashes in the headlines in blood red ink.

If you come back to this post with one of your flames, then, yes,
again, the folks here with eyes open will see you as a sympathizer of
evil in the world today. 

Evil is subtle, but the deaths are countable. 

Here's how subtle evil is:  even you, Feste37, even you, if you were
traveling along a highway and came upon an auto accident with two cars
horribly ripped asunder and bodies scattered, even you would stop to
help, even your heart would be crushed by seeing, say, a toddler
crying next to an unmoving corpse.

Even you, Feste37, could not miss the suffering on that roadside.

But, evil can veil your sight, shut down your heart, and rouse a dark
purpose in your psyche if you cannot imagine that child to be an Iraqi
toddler next to a dead parent on the streets of Bagdad.  

Holocaust?  Yeah, I see it all around right now, throughout history,
and in your very denial of the deaths due to American actions.

Your type of denial is EXACTLY the rationalization process that allows
for one to be a guard at Auschwitz. 

And here am I expressing my rage once again, and Curtis and Turq and
Billy will suggest I see a doctor and get some lithium or something.

When Henry Thoreau was in jail for tax evasion because the tax money
was supporting evil, Emerson asked him, What are you doing in there?

Not that I am capable of anything so noble, nor that Thoreau was a
saint, but Thoreau replied, Waldo, the question is what are you doing
out there?

http://www.fff.org/freedom/fd0503e.asp

I wish I could rise to Thoreau's level of conscience.  The denialists
in this group here seem only to deserve my futile lashing of their
mindfully created blindness about just exactly what the power and
range of evil is -- so, that's good news, eh?  If the denialists here
were any more deeply connected to evil, well, it wouldn't merely be my
over-the-top, rage puke that's hurled at them.  

Real life would speak to them directly.  Do you have ears, Feste37? 
Get ready for something louder to scream into them than my silent text
here.

Consider yourself warned Feste37 -- My challenges to you here are
nothing compared to the karma coming your way if you do not at the
least attempt to resist the evil of denying the suffering of others.  

Feste27 -- here's a typical child doing something special -- note not
her skills but her spirit.  All children have this spirit.

http://br.video.yahoo.com/video/play?ei=UTF-8b=0vid=1364800gid=1088378

There is a joie de vivre inherent in every newborn, and it's seen in
this one child's display.  Protecting this 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Flaming Evil not allowed here? (9-11 -- The Inside Job )

[new . morning]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Give it up, Edg, Feste37 ain't gonna listen.  Note that none of my
posts have been personal attacks against anyone. I've posted what I've
posted because I wanted to get an idea of what the reaction would be,
and I've got what I wanted.  He thinks it's an obsession.  I've been
posting for less than a month. American attention spans are short,

kind of a shallow stereotype, doncha think? I am an american. Do I
have a short attention span? Does Curtis? Does Barry? Does Marek? Does
Sal? Does Rick? I am not defending Americans. Just asking if you
don't   have some deeper classification categories. 


 so anything that outlasts an American attention span is an obsession. 

OMG!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Flaming Evil not allowed here? (9-11 -- The Inside Job )

[Marek Reavis]

Edg, after reading your posts of hate, venom and insult just today, 
it strikes me that you would be more likely to volunteer to man the 
future gas chambers (only for the pedophile,  the dog-fight 
promoters, the murderer, etc., i.e. only those who really deserve 
it) than anyone else here.

Your hate-filled point of view and your willingness to project it on 
anyone who doesn't tow the line of righteousness you've drawn is 
scary, repugnant and wholly in line with the hate-filled propaganda 
put out by any of the current crop of demogogues, dictators or their 
stooges.  

I'm truly sorry that you have so much pain in your life but your out 
of control expression of it on FFL is way out of line.

Marek


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Rick,
 
 Thanks for the reminder, but do you really think that my flaming an
 apologist for evil would be out of line?  Surely, it cannot be 
merely
 the use of swear words that you're warning me about.  
 
 Additionally, I believe I laid out my reasons for why it might be a
 view of some heft that Curtis is, indeed, deserving my, well, let's
 call them for what they are: poetic words that attempts to nutshell
 something so wrong about a person's core POV that it amounts to 
being
 a menace to culture.  My exaggerations are merely my way of showing 
my
 emotional response.  Posters here often are intellectually 
dishonest,
 and my emotions are one way to snap them to attention, or at the
 least, underline for all here about the depth of my stance.  
 
 Not that I can prove Curtis to be anything but a, well, all around
 good guy, but if I could, if I had more than just his weaselyassed
 avoidance of morality here, would you let me then?
 
 To put a harsh light on it as I'm wont to do too often, just suppose
 there was a headline in the Fairfield Ledger announcing the 
conviction
 of someone here for a crime we'd all consider to be repugnant.  
Would
 you allow me to flame a pedophile, a dog-fight promoter, murderer,
 etc.?  One thing I can tell ya, Rick, I'd be putting out my best 
hate
 literature on suchlike, and be proud of it even if I got kicked out 
of
 here for doing so.
 
 What does it take to get one to start acting-out?  For me, not much,
 but I think everyone here will act out at some point -- depending on
 their identification with a POV.
 
 Like my previous post, who will be able to keep their emotions 
hidden
 if someone says they'll vote for any war monger, predator, or 
 
 We have all prided ourselves, as Americans, that the Germans who
 killed the Jews were so aberrant in personality as to be labeled 
evil,
 and we imprisoned many who never actually shoved a person into a gas
 chamber.  I was raised to feel SO superior to those Germans, and
 in fact, if I were to tell anyone here, even now, that I was living 
as
 a German in the town of Auschwitz, why, there'd be no end of the
 hatred sent my way by everyone here for the crime of my denial  -- 
it
 being an enabling of the actual killers.
 
 When do we start thinking about the guards at Guantanamo and Abu 
Graib
 this way?  They're just following orders, right?
 
 Same deal with Curtis and Turq refusing to discuss their own 
personal
 styles when it comes to practical morality.  It is just their
 attitude towards morality that allowed so many to turn a blind eye 
to
 the concentration camps.  Evil is a very subtle dynamic and is not
 limited to actions only, but to whole cultures sometimes.  What do 
we
 think of the average German in 1944 -- they supported a lot of evil,
 right?  What do we think of clitorectomies in Arabia?  We 
propagandize
 against their whole culture for this obscenity alone.
 
 Not that everything any culture does is evil, remember the Maharishi
 Effect -- same deal for evil -- only need the square root of one
 percent of the population to be evil for the whole culture to be
 skewed that way.
 
 Stand up and be counted folks.  The powers that be have taken their
 stance.  If you don't stand up against evil in the subtle
 manifestations, you're doomed to seeing the emerge as war, etc. 
where
 you WILL BE powerless to mitigate, but on individuals, you have a
 chance to sway them -- with reason, emotion, or, in the case of 
Turq,
 a big two-by-four across the face by an angry traditional father.
 
 Edg
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote:
 
  From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  On Behalf Of Sal Sunshine
  Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 1:42 PM
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 9-11 -- The Inside Job was 
merely a
 blip
  (snip  thought police)
  
   
  
  On Oct 29, 2007, at 10:56 AM, Duveyoung wrote:
  
  Fuck you Curtis...Fuck you, you enabling bastard...you cowardly
 spin-master
  for evil... your immorality...cold-heartedness... try to besmirch 
me
 and my
  essay...I condemn you...evil's apologistWhat a disappointment,
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Flaming Evil not allowed here? (9-11 -- The Inside Job )

[curtisdeltablues]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Rick,
 
 Thanks for the reminder, but do you really think that my flaming an
 apologist for evil would be out of line?  Surely, it cannot be merely
 the use of swear words that you're warning me about. 

Yeah, what's a few Fuck you's among internet strangers? (how do you
make FU plural?)
 
 
 Additionally, I believe I laid out my reasons for why it might be a
 view of some heft that Curtis is, indeed, deserving my, well, let's
 call them for what they are: poetic words that attempts to nutshell
 something so wrong about a person's core POV that it amounts to
being  a menace to culture. 

That's me, menace to culture.  This may prove to be your best post yet.

 My exaggerations are merely my way of showing my  emotional
response.  Posters here often are intellectually dishonest,
 and my emotions are one way to snap them to attention, or at the
 least, underline for all here about the depth of my stance.

Flaming shows an emotional response?  What a novel concept.  So the
flaming is for our own good?  That's a relief, I thought your were
just flaming for selfish purposes.  Consider me all snapped to
attention oh great wise one.
 
 Not that I can prove Curtis to be anything but a, well, all around
 good guy, but if I could, if I had more than just his weaselyassed
 avoidance of morality here, would you let me then?

I'm avoiding morality because I banged her once and then she started
stalking me.  Do not give her my contact info.

Snip

 Would  you allow me to flame a pedophile, a dog-fight promoter,
murderer,  etc.?  One thing I can tell ya, Rick, I'd be putting out
my best hate  literature on suchlike, and be proud of it even if I
got kicked out of  here for doing so.

What a display of subtle virtue, taking a stand against pedophiles and
murderers.  Brave position Edg, there are so few who are against these
things.  What a do gooder you are!  If only there were more people
like you there would be laws against these things...

 
 What does it take to get one to start acting-out?  For me, not much,
 but I think everyone here will act out at some point -- depending on
 their identification with a POV.
 

Actually it is only you that I see communicating in this obnoxious way
regularly here.

 Like my previous post, who will be able to keep their emotions hidden
 if someone says they'll vote for any war monger, predator, or 
 

So if someone doesn't vote for your guy (or gal), you should get to
flame them for having another opinion?  To answer your question,
anyone with more maturity concerning people's different POVs than you
have, that's who.  Most people understand that there is not only one
way to look at complex topics, except you.


 We have all prided ourselves, as Americans, that the Germans who
 killed the Jews were so aberrant in personality as to be labeled evil,
 and we imprisoned many who never actually shoved a person into a gas
 chamber.  I was raised to feel SO superior to those Germans, and
 in fact, if I were to tell anyone here, even now, that I was living as
 a German in the town of Auschwitz, why, there'd be no end of the
 hatred sent my way by everyone here for the crime of my denial  -- it
 being an enabling of the actual killers.
 
 When do we start thinking about the guards at Guantanamo and Abu Graib
 this way?  They're just following orders, right?

Wow speaking out against Abu Graib and Guantanamo now!  Does your
moral bravery have any limits? 

 
 Same deal with Curtis and Turq refusing to discuss their own
personal  styles when it comes to practical morality.

Refusing to be accountable to a flaming lunatic on the Internet?  Say
it is not true.  Turq you had better report to Edg's office for your
spanking and you had better not enjoy it mister!  I'm bringing my ball
gag just in case it gets interesting.

 It is just their  attitude towards morality that allowed so many to
turn a blind eye to  the concentration camps. 

Yeah Turq, (who is guilty of talking to younger women), we are no
better than people ignoring mass murder if we don't discuss our
personal styles with Edg. Let me avoid another Holocaust here by
revealing a partiality towards the Columbia Sportswear look, for the
sake of the children. I'm guessing Edg's practical morality boils
down to never getting laid. 

 Snip 
 
 Not that everything any culture does is evil, remember the Maharishi
 Effect -- same deal for evil -- only need the square root of one
 percent of the population to be evil for the whole culture to be
 skewed that way.

The Reverse Maharishi Effect is born!  Just as coherent as as the
program vibes but with much hotter chicks.  I host a group evil
program at my place regularly and it really deepens my experiences of
skewing the culture. 

 
 Stand up and be counted folks. 

Sig Heil, Sig Heil!

 The powers that be have taken their
 stance.  If you don't stand up against evil in the subtle
 manifestations, you're doomed to 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is Flaming Evil not allowed here? (9-11 -- The Inside Job )

[Angela Mailander]

The Maharishi effect and the reverse Maharishi effect are both in the 
Bible, so neither concept is anything new.  

I am not appalled by spelling errors or by fuck you's liberally sprinkled in 
other people's prose, but the indifference I've seen to the suffering and 
large-scale death America has inflicted world-wide since 45, and which makes 
Hitler look like a boy scout, appalls me as much as it does Edg.  America is 
just beginning to wake up to the fact that she created Hitler as a tool in the 
same way she created Saddam Hussein and a bunch of other evil dictators.  It's 
a familiar M.O. by now, but wearing a bit thin in the world.  In 1945, the 
Germans were still ignorant enough to welcome the American army as liberators 
(as Bush thought the people in Iraq should and would). Germans didn't figure 
out till the late fifties what really happened.  So it's taken another almost 
fifty years before there is any indication that ordinary Americans are waking 
up to who their leaders have been since Eisenhower warned them in his farewell 
speech and nobody listened. a

curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   --- 
In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Rick,
  
  Thanks for the reminder, but do you really think that my flaming an
  apologist for evil would be out of line?  Surely, it cannot be merely
  the use of swear words that you're warning me about. 
 
 Yeah, what's a few Fuck you's among internet strangers? (how do you
 make FU plural?)
  
  
  Additionally, I believe I laid out my reasons for why it might be a
  view of some heft that Curtis is, indeed, deserving my, well, let's
  call them for what they are: poetic words that attempts to nutshell
  something so wrong about a person's core POV that it amounts to
 being  a menace to culture. 
 
 That's me, menace to culture.  This may prove to be your best post yet.
 
 My exaggerations are merely my way of showing my  emotional
 response.  Posters here often are intellectually dishonest,
  and my emotions are one way to snap them to attention, or at the
  least, underline for all here about the depth of my stance.
 
 Flaming shows an emotional response?  What a novel concept.  So the
 flaming is for our own good?  That's a relief, I thought your were
 just flaming for selfish purposes.  Consider me all snapped to
 attention oh great wise one.
  
  Not that I can prove Curtis to be anything but a, well, all around
  good guy, but if I could, if I had more than just his weaselyassed
  avoidance of morality here, would you let me then?
 
 I'm avoiding morality because I banged her once and then she started
 stalking me.  Do not give her my contact info.
 
 Snip
 
 Would  you allow me to flame a pedophile, a dog-fight promoter,
 murderer,  etc.?  One thing I can tell ya, Rick, I'd be putting out
 my best hate  literature on suchlike, and be proud of it even if I
 got kicked out of  here for doing so.
 
 What a display of subtle virtue, taking a stand against pedophiles and
 murderers.  Brave position Edg, there are so few who are against these
 things.  What a do gooder you are!  If only there were more people
 like you there would be laws against these things...
 
  
  What does it take to get one to start acting-out?  For me, not much,
  but I think everyone here will act out at some point -- depending on
  their identification with a POV.
  
 
 Actually it is only you that I see communicating in this obnoxious way
 regularly here.
 
  Like my previous post, who will be able to keep their emotions hidden
  if someone says they'll vote for any war monger, predator, or 
  
 
 So if someone doesn't vote for your guy (or gal), you should get to
 flame them for having another opinion?  To answer your question,
 anyone with more maturity concerning people's different POVs than you
 have, that's who.  Most people understand that there is not only one
 way to look at complex topics, except you.
 
  We have all prided ourselves, as Americans, that the Germans who
  killed the Jews were so aberrant in personality as to be labeled evil,
  and we imprisoned many who never actually shoved a person into a gas
  chamber.  I was raised to feel SO superior to those Germans, and
  in fact, if I were to tell anyone here, even now, that I was living as
  a German in the town of Auschwitz, why, there'd be no end of the
  hatred sent my way by everyone here for the crime of my denial  -- it
  being an enabling of the actual killers.
  
  When do we start thinking about the guards at Guantanamo and Abu Graib
  this way?  They're just following orders, right?
 
 Wow speaking out against Abu Graib and Guantanamo now!  Does your
 moral bravery have any limits? 
 
  
  Same deal with Curtis and Turq refusing to discuss their own
 personal  styles when it comes to practical morality.
 
 Refusing to be accountable to a flaming lunatic on the Internet?  Say
 it is not true.  Turq you had better report to 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Flaming Evil not allowed here? (9-11 -- The Inside Job )

[feste37]

Try to write a post without mentioning Hitler. You kill your case by
overstating it. America in the world post-WWII makes Hitler look like
a boy scout? Show me the American Holocaust please.  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The Maharishi effect and the reverse Maharishi effect are both
in the Bible, so neither concept is anything new.  
 
 I am not appalled by spelling errors or by fuck you's liberally
sprinkled in other people's prose, but the indifference I've seen to
the suffering and large-scale death America has inflicted world-wide
since 45, and which makes Hitler look like a boy scout, appalls me as
much as it does Edg.  America is just beginning to wake up to the fact
that she created Hitler as a tool in the same way she created Saddam
Hussein and a bunch of other evil dictators.  It's a familiar M.O. by
now, but wearing a bit thin in the world.  In 1945, the Germans were
still ignorant enough to welcome the American army as liberators (as
Bush thought the people in Iraq should and would). Germans didn't
figure out till the late fifties what really happened.  So it's taken
another almost fifty years before there is any indication that
ordinary Americans are waking up to who their leaders have been since
Eisenhower warned them in his farewell speech and nobody listened. a
 
 curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@
wrote:
  
   Rick,
   
   Thanks for the reminder, but do you really think that my flaming an
   apologist for evil would be out of line?  Surely, it cannot be merely
   the use of swear words that you're warning me about. 
  
  Yeah, what's a few Fuck you's among internet strangers? (how do you
  make FU plural?)
   
   
   Additionally, I believe I laid out my reasons for why it might be a
   view of some heft that Curtis is, indeed, deserving my, well, let's
   call them for what they are: poetic words that attempts to nutshell
   something so wrong about a person's core POV that it amounts to
  being  a menace to culture. 
  
  That's me, menace to culture.  This may prove to be your best
post yet.
  
  My exaggerations are merely my way of showing my  emotional
  response.  Posters here often are intellectually dishonest,
   and my emotions are one way to snap them to attention, or at the
   least, underline for all here about the depth of my stance.
  
  Flaming shows an emotional response?  What a novel concept.  So the
  flaming is for our own good?  That's a relief, I thought your were
  just flaming for selfish purposes.  Consider me all snapped to
  attention oh great wise one.
   
   Not that I can prove Curtis to be anything but a, well, all around
   good guy, but if I could, if I had more than just his weaselyassed
   avoidance of morality here, would you let me then?
  
  I'm avoiding morality because I banged her once and then she started
  stalking me.  Do not give her my contact info.
  
  Snip
  
  Would  you allow me to flame a pedophile, a dog-fight promoter,
  murderer,  etc.?  One thing I can tell ya, Rick, I'd be putting out
  my best hate  literature on suchlike, and be proud of it even if I
  got kicked out of  here for doing so.
  
  What a display of subtle virtue, taking a stand against pedophiles and
  murderers.  Brave position Edg, there are so few who are against these
  things.  What a do gooder you are!  If only there were more people
  like you there would be laws against these things...
  
   
   What does it take to get one to start acting-out?  For me, not much,
   but I think everyone here will act out at some point -- depending on
   their identification with a POV.
   
  
  Actually it is only you that I see communicating in this obnoxious way
  regularly here.
  
   Like my previous post, who will be able to keep their emotions hidden
   if someone says they'll vote for any war monger, predator, or 
   
  
  So if someone doesn't vote for your guy (or gal), you should get to
  flame them for having another opinion?  To answer your question,
  anyone with more maturity concerning people's different POVs than you
  have, that's who.  Most people understand that there is not only one
  way to look at complex topics, except you.
  
   We have all prided ourselves, as Americans, that the Germans who
   killed the Jews were so aberrant in personality as to be labeled
evil,
   and we imprisoned many who never actually shoved a person into a gas
   chamber.  I was raised to feel SO superior to those Germans, and
   in fact, if I were to tell anyone here, even now, that I was
living as
   a German in the town of Auschwitz, why, there'd be no end of the
   hatred sent my way by everyone here for the crime of my denial  -- it
   being an enabling of the actual killers.
   
   When do we start thinking about the guards at Guantanamo and Abu
Graib
   this way?  They're just following orders, right?
  
  Wow 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Flaming Evil not allowed here? (9-11 -- The Inside Job )

[lurkernomore20002000]

Okay, I've got Edg. throwing wild punches in the air, and Curtis 
delivering body blow after body blow into Edg's mid-section.  I'm 
calling this fight.  It's Curtis in five rounds.  Edg has a deep cut 
over his left eye as well that won't stop bleeding.  Curtis, I gotta 
say, it was awesome.  Folks, don't pick a fight with this guy!

lurk 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote:
 
  Rick,
  
  Thanks for the reminder, but do you really think that my flaming 
an
  apologist for evil would be out of line?  Surely, it cannot be 
merely
  the use of swear words that you're warning me about. 
 
 Yeah, what's a few Fuck you's among internet strangers? (how do 
you
 make FU plural?)
  
  
  Additionally, I believe I laid out my reasons for why it might 
be a
  view of some heft that Curtis is, indeed, deserving my, well, 
let's
  call them for what they are: poetic words that attempts to 
nutshell
  something so wrong about a person's core POV that it amounts to
 being  a menace to culture. 
 
 That's me, menace to culture.  This may prove to be your best 
post yet.
 
  My exaggerations are merely my way of showing my  emotional
 response.  Posters here often are intellectually dishonest,
  and my emotions are one way to snap them to attention, or at the
  least, underline for all here about the depth of my stance.
 
 Flaming shows an emotional response?  What a novel concept.  So 
the
 flaming is for our own good?  That's a relief, I thought your were
 just flaming for selfish purposes.  Consider me all snapped to
 attention oh great wise one.
  
  Not that I can prove Curtis to be anything but a, well, all 
around
  good guy, but if I could, if I had more than just his 
weaselyassed
  avoidance of morality here, would you let me then?
 
 I'm avoiding morality because I banged her once and then she 
started
 stalking me.  Do not give her my contact info.
 
 Snip
 
  Would  you allow me to flame a pedophile, a dog-fight promoter,
 murderer,  etc.?  One thing I can tell ya, Rick, I'd be putting 
out
 my best hate  literature on suchlike, and be proud of it even if I
 got kicked out of  here for doing so.
 
 What a display of subtle virtue, taking a stand against pedophiles 
and
 murderers.  Brave position Edg, there are so few who are against 
these
 things.  What a do gooder you are!  If only there were more people
 like you there would be laws against these things...
 
  
  What does it take to get one to start acting-out?  For me, not 
much,
  but I think everyone here will act out at some point -- 
depending on
  their identification with a POV.
  
 
 Actually it is only you that I see communicating in this obnoxious 
way
 regularly here.
 
  Like my previous post, who will be able to keep their emotions 
hidden
  if someone says they'll vote for any war monger, predator, 
or 
  
 
 So if someone doesn't vote for your guy (or gal), you should get to
 flame them for having another opinion?  To answer your question,
 anyone with more maturity concerning people's different POVs than 
you
 have, that's who.  Most people understand that there is not only 
one
 way to look at complex topics, except you.
 
 
  We have all prided ourselves, as Americans, that the Germans who
  killed the Jews were so aberrant in personality as to be labeled 
evil,
  and we imprisoned many who never actually shoved a person into a 
gas
  chamber.  I was raised to feel SO superior to those Germans, 
and
  in fact, if I were to tell anyone here, even now, that I was 
living as
  a German in the town of Auschwitz, why, there'd be no end of the
  hatred sent my way by everyone here for the crime of my denial  -
- it
  being an enabling of the actual killers.
  
  When do we start thinking about the guards at Guantanamo and Abu 
Graib
  this way?  They're just following orders, right?
 
 Wow speaking out against Abu Graib and Guantanamo now!  Does your
 moral bravery have any limits? 
 
  
  Same deal with Curtis and Turq refusing to discuss their own
 personal  styles when it comes to practical morality.
 
 Refusing to be accountable to a flaming lunatic on the Internet?  
Say
 it is not true.  Turq you had better report to Edg's office for 
your
 spanking and you had better not enjoy it mister!  I'm bringing my 
ball
 gag just in case it gets interesting.
 
  It is just their  attitude towards morality that allowed so many 
to
 turn a blind eye to  the concentration camps. 
 
 Yeah Turq, (who is guilty of talking to younger women), we are no
 better than people ignoring mass murder if we don't discuss our
 personal styles with Edg. Let me avoid another Holocaust here by
 revealing a partiality towards the Columbia Sportswear look, for 
the
 sake of the children. I'm guessing Edg's practical morality boils
 down to never getting laid. 
 
  Snip 
  
  Not that everything any culture does is evil, remember the 
Maharishi
  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is Flaming Evil not allowed here? (9-11 -- The Inside Job )

[Angela Mailander]

I take it, Show me the American Holocaust, please is not a serious question 
because I could show you, but I doubt you want to see what is going on under 
our noses right now in terms of America transforming itself into a military 
dictatorship and inflicting pain and torture on a significant number of our 
fellow creatures.  Are they really our enemies?  And if they are, are enemies 
created?   If so, who creates  them? and why?  

In my opinion, the evidence that America has been creating evil dictators and 
concomitant wars all around the world for at least a hundred years is 
compelling, but I could be wrong. What would you conclude if you saw the same 
M.O. all over the globe, like a serial killer. You;d ask the usual questions: 
motive? opportunity? benefit?  what does the evidence tell you?  What have 
other great detectives concluded who have been watching this?  Do their points 
of  view come in schools?  Do they have axes to grind?  

It looks to me that it's America's turn to become the locus of this energy 
which we have been calling fascist, but I'm cool with any name you want to 
suggest. Just who or what is America? Somebody's tool?  Autonomous? Who or what 
governs it? If anything. What is the energy that animates us, not as 
individuals, but as a people of a world divided against itself---who or what 
creates it?  Maybe the periodic fascist occurrences on the planet are like an 
evil spirit manifesting all over the place, and people aren't to blame for 
expressing that spirit, they have no real choice.

But there are many ways to see anything.  What do you think is actually going 
on on this planet?  Do you think the planet is just fine?  Do you think 
humanity is just fine?  Do you care?  If so, why?   

Do you think that periodic culling of a herd is necessary for its continued 
health and vitality and even survival? 

You're an intelligent biological entity, 
a cell in a computer called humanity, 
incarnate on a planet, 
at a certain point in history, 
what the fuck do you see? 


feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   Try to write a 
post without mentioning Hitler. You kill your case by
 overstating it. America in the world post-WWII makes Hitler look like
 a boy scout? Show me the American Holocaust please.  
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  The Maharishi effect and the reverse Maharishi effect are both
 in the Bible, so neither concept is anything new.  
  
  I am not appalled by spelling errors or by fuck you's liberally
 sprinkled in other people's prose, but the indifference I've seen to
 the suffering and large-scale death America has inflicted world-wide
 since 45, and which makes Hitler look like a boy scout, appalls me as
 much as it does Edg.  America is just beginning to wake up to the fact
 that she created Hitler as a tool in the same way she created Saddam
 Hussein and a bunch of other evil dictators.  It's a familiar M.O. by
 now, but wearing a bit thin in the world.  In 1945, the Germans were
 still ignorant enough to welcome the American army as liberators (as
 Bush thought the people in Iraq should and would). Germans didn't
 figure out till the late fifties what really happened.  So it's taken
 another almost fifty years before there is any indication that
 ordinary Americans are waking up to who their leaders have been since
 Eisenhower warned them in his farewell speech and nobody listened. a
  
  curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@
 wrote:
   
Rick,

Thanks for the reminder, but do you really think that my flaming an
apologist for evil would be out of line?  Surely, it cannot be merely
the use of swear words that you're warning me about. 
   
   Yeah, what's a few Fuck you's among internet strangers? (how do you
   make FU plural?)


Additionally, I believe I laid out my reasons for why it might be a
view of some heft that Curtis is, indeed, deserving my, well, let's
call them for what they are: poetic words that attempts to nutshell
something so wrong about a person's core POV that it amounts to
   being  a menace to culture. 
   
   That's me, menace to culture.  This may prove to be your best
 post yet.
   
   My exaggerations are merely my way of showing my  emotional
   response.  Posters here often are intellectually dishonest,
and my emotions are one way to snap them to attention, or at the
least, underline for all here about the depth of my stance.
   
   Flaming shows an emotional response?  What a novel concept.  So the
   flaming is for our own good?  That's a relief, I thought your were
   just flaming for selfish purposes.  Consider me all snapped to
   attention oh great wise one.

Not that I can prove Curtis to be anything but a, well, all around
good guy, but if I could, if I had more than just his 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is Flaming Evil not allowed here? (9-11 -- The Inside Job )

[Angela Mailander]

I love it.

lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   
Okay, I've got Edg. throwing wild punches in the air, and Curtis 
 delivering body blow after body blow into Edg's mid-section.  I'm 
 calling this fight.  It's Curtis in five rounds.  Edg has a deep cut 
 over his left eye as well that won't stop bleeding.  Curtis, I gotta 
 say, it was awesome.  Folks, don't pick a fight with this guy!
 
 lurk 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote:
  
   Rick,
   
   Thanks for the reminder, but do you really think that my flaming 
 an
   apologist for evil would be out of line?  Surely, it cannot be 
 merely
   the use of swear words that you're warning me about. 
  
  Yeah, what's a few Fuck you's among internet strangers? (how do 
 you
  make FU plural?)
   
   
   Additionally, I believe I laid out my reasons for why it might 
 be a
   view of some heft that Curtis is, indeed, deserving my, well, 
 let's
   call them for what they are: poetic words that attempts to 
 nutshell
   something so wrong about a person's core POV that it amounts to
  being  a menace to culture. 
  
  That's me, menace to culture.  This may prove to be your best 
 post yet.
  
   My exaggerations are merely my way of showing my  emotional
  response.  Posters here often are intellectually dishonest,
   and my emotions are one way to snap them to attention, or at the
   least, underline for all here about the depth of my stance.
  
  Flaming shows an emotional response?  What a novel concept.  So 
 the
  flaming is for our own good?  That's a relief, I thought your were
  just flaming for selfish purposes.  Consider me all snapped to
  attention oh great wise one.
   
   Not that I can prove Curtis to be anything but a, well, all 
 around
   good guy, but if I could, if I had more than just his 
 weaselyassed
   avoidance of morality here, would you let me then?
  
  I'm avoiding morality because I banged her once and then she 
 started
  stalking me.  Do not give her my contact info.
  
  Snip
  
   Would  you allow me to flame a pedophile, a dog-fight promoter,
  murderer,  etc.?  One thing I can tell ya, Rick, I'd be putting 
 out
  my best hate  literature on suchlike, and be proud of it even if I
  got kicked out of  here for doing so.
  
  What a display of subtle virtue, taking a stand against pedophiles 
 and
  murderers.  Brave position Edg, there are so few who are against 
 these
  things.  What a do gooder you are!  If only there were more people
  like you there would be laws against these things...
  
   
   What does it take to get one to start acting-out?  For me, not 
 much,
   but I think everyone here will act out at some point -- 
 depending on
   their identification with a POV.
   
  
  Actually it is only you that I see communicating in this obnoxious 
 way
  regularly here.
  
   Like my previous post, who will be able to keep their emotions 
 hidden
   if someone says they'll vote for any war monger, predator, 
 or 
   
  
  So if someone doesn't vote for your guy (or gal), you should get to
  flame them for having another opinion?  To answer your question,
  anyone with more maturity concerning people's different POVs than 
 you
  have, that's who.  Most people understand that there is not only 
 one
  way to look at complex topics, except you.
  
  
   We have all prided ourselves, as Americans, that the Germans who
   killed the Jews were so aberrant in personality as to be labeled 
 evil,
   and we imprisoned many who never actually shoved a person into a 
 gas
   chamber.  I was raised to feel SO superior to those Germans, 
 and
   in fact, if I were to tell anyone here, even now, that I was 
 living as
   a German in the town of Auschwitz, why, there'd be no end of the
   hatred sent my way by everyone here for the crime of my denial  -
 - it
   being an enabling of the actual killers.
   
   When do we start thinking about the guards at Guantanamo and Abu 
 Graib
   this way?  They're just following orders, right?
  
  Wow speaking out against Abu Graib and Guantanamo now!  Does your
  moral bravery have any limits? 
  
   
   Same deal with Curtis and Turq refusing to discuss their own
  personal  styles when it comes to practical morality.
  
  Refusing to be accountable to a flaming lunatic on the Internet?  
 Say
  it is not true.  Turq you had better report to Edg's office for 
 your
  spanking and you had better not enjoy it mister!  I'm bringing my 
 ball
  gag just in case it gets interesting.
  
   It is just their  attitude towards morality that allowed so many 
 to
  turn a blind eye to  the concentration camps. 
  
  Yeah Turq, (who is guilty of talking to younger women), we are no
  better than people ignoring mass murder if we don't discuss our
  personal styles with Edg. Let me avoid another Holocaust here by
  revealing a partiality 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is Flaming Evil not allowed here? (9-11 -- The Inside Job )

[Angela Mailander]

I did answer it.  And what makes you think I despise it? On the contrary, I 
love it.  America has offered sanctuary to many thousands and America has also 
sent many thousands to their deaths.  America has turned back ships of Jewish 
refugees, and with full knowledge sending them to their deaths.  America is 
more complex, apparently, and more deep than you would have her be.  And 
equally apparent is that you think me more simple than I am. a

feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   Of course it 
was a serious question, and you chose not to answer it.
 You stated that US actions around the world post-WWII made Hitler
 look like a boy scout. Nothing you have said here has explained or
 justified that outlandish statement. 
 
 America has offered sanctuary to many thousands of people fleeing from
 all kinds of tyrannies. It offered you a chance, I presume, as a
 foreigner, to come here and make a success of your life. It offered
 you freedom. Why do you appear to despise it so much? 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  I take it, Show me the American Holocaust, please is not a serious
 question because I could show you, but I doubt you want to see what is
 going on under our noses right now in terms of America transforming
 itself into a military dictatorship and inflicting pain and torture on
 a significant number of our fellow creatures.  Are they really our
 enemies?  And if they are, are enemies created?   If so, who creates 
 them? and why?  
  
  In my opinion, the evidence that America has been creating evil
 dictators and concomitant wars all around the world for at least a
 hundred years is compelling, but I could be wrong. What would you
 conclude if you saw the same M.O. all over the globe, like a serial
 killer. You;d ask the usual questions: motive? opportunity? benefit? 
 what does the evidence tell you?  What have other great detectives
 concluded who have been watching this?  Do their points of  view come
 in schools?  Do they have axes to grind?  
  
  It looks to me that it's America's turn to become the locus of this
 energy which we have been calling fascist, but I'm cool with any name
 you want to suggest. Just who or what is America? Somebody's tool? 
 Autonomous? Who or what governs it? If anything. What is the energy
 that animates us, not as individuals, but as a people of a world
 divided against itself---who or what creates it?  Maybe the periodic
 fascist occurrences on the planet are like an evil spirit manifesting
 all over the place, and people aren't to blame for expressing that
 spirit, they have no real choice.
  
  But there are many ways to see anything.  What do you think is
 actually going on on this planet?  Do you think the planet is just
 fine?  Do you think humanity is just fine?  Do you care?  If so, why?   
  
  Do you think that periodic culling of a herd is necessary for its
 continued health and vitality and even survival? 
  
  You're an intelligent biological entity, 
  a cell in a computer called humanity, 
  incarnate on a planet, 
  at a certain point in history, 
  what the fuck do you see? 
  
  
  feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   Try to
 write a post without mentioning Hitler. You kill your case by
   overstating it. America in the world post-WWII makes Hitler look like
   a boy scout? Show me the American Holocaust please.  
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
   mailander111@ wrote:
   
The Maharishi effect and the reverse Maharishi effect are both
   in the Bible, so neither concept is anything new.  

I am not appalled by spelling errors or by fuck you's liberally
   sprinkled in other people's prose, but the indifference I've seen to
   the suffering and large-scale death America has inflicted world-wide
   since 45, and which makes Hitler look like a boy scout, appalls me as
   much as it does Edg.  America is just beginning to wake up to the fact
   that she created Hitler as a tool in the same way she created Saddam
   Hussein and a bunch of other evil dictators.  It's a familiar M.O. by
   now, but wearing a bit thin in the world.  In 1945, the Germans were
   still ignorant enough to welcome the American army as liberators (as
   Bush thought the people in Iraq should and would). Germans didn't
   figure out till the late fifties what really happened.  So it's taken
   another almost fifty years before there is any indication that
   ordinary Americans are waking up to who their leaders have been since
   Eisenhower warned them in his farewell speech and nobody listened. a

curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: 
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@
   wrote:
 
  Rick,
  
  Thanks for the reminder, but do you really think that my
 flaming an
  apologist for evil would be out of line?  Surely, it cannot be
 merely