Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi keeps his promises (was Why MMY's Bhagavad Gita will never be a classic.
From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] My read folder Ann, contains certain posters who tend to not just post one liners or irrelevant comments. Edg is in the read post. Another criterion for this folder is a person does not post excessively. As you now have your own folder it's easy to find your messages. Barry is in the read folder. Putting you in that folder however is like putting protons and anti-protons together. Good plan. :-) To mix them could be a mistake of...dare I say it... Biblical Proportions Biblical Proportions View on www.youtube.com Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi keeps his promises (was Why MMY's Bhagavad Gita will never be a classic.
One of the best posts I have read here on FFL: Perfectly describes the TMO and most other guru deals If enlightenment is real, it will make one independent of the means that got one there. Any enlightenment movement that fails to recognise this is doomed to become a dark cloud on the awareness of mankind. But most movements only partially transform and do not release, they try to hold on to you. They cannot let you succeed because if you do, you will not need them for anything. So a corrupt spiritual movement wants you to believe certain things so you cannot reason, because you need to be able to reason to work your way through the veil of ignorance, for if you do that, you will see the beliefs are always false, if you go far enough. A spiritual system is like a septic system, crap in one end, and reasonably clear water out the other. A corrupt spiritual system is like a clogged gold-plated sewer pipe. Looks nice on the outside, but inside... From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2014 11:43 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi keeps his promises (was Why MMY's Bhagavad Gita will never be a classic. My read folder Ann, contains certain posters who tend to not just post one liners or irrelevant comments. Edg is in the read post. Another criterion for this folder is a person does not post excessively. As you now have your own folder it's easy to find your messages. Barry is in the read folder. Putting you in that folder however is like putting protons and anti-protons together. In the past Edg has made some rather interesting posts but infrequently. His great dissatisfaction with things TM only came to my awareness with this recent series of posts. Now I have been dissatisfied with many things the TMO does, but I always had a certain detachment from it all, for one thing, I had certain goals, I started TM at a later age than many here did, I was not enamoured of Maharishi, only if what he said was useful for me at a particular time was he important to me, and I had some rudimentary knowledge of other traditions so the stuff in the TM movement was something I had to collate with what went before, it did not replace what went before (that of course is a TMO no no). Gurus were tools for me. What I got from the tools related to my goals and everything else was on the outskirts of it all. I think I must have been at MIU during part of the time Edg was there, but I tend not to remember people's names very well, and am kind of reclusive. I do not think I personally have met anyone on this forum except, briefly, Rick Archer, but who knows, I may have met more. Maharishi was useful for me when he was useful, but it was almost always by proxy. I only saw him, I think, three times in person. Noticing how the movement handled money, and that it always went one way, I was always careful to not give them any for projects. I spent more on a few residence courses in the mid-seventies than I ever spent on techniques, unless you count my time working in the movement as cash spent. But I was there for my own reasons, not for Maharishi. Devotion to a teacher was not my path; my was somewhat undefined, but it was based on a moderately clear experience before I learned any form of meditation, so that experience was my guiding star, the criterion for sorting what to pursue or not. It meant whatever enlightenment was about, it was a larger framework than gurus and organisations, that they were at best in the service or disservice of realisation, and could be sorted in or out on that basis of having an outline, so to speak, of the larger framework. If something did not work, I would tinker with it until it did or I dropped it. There are certain restrictions on what you can do when in the movement, but the main thing was not to turn over one's rational thinking and retain a curious, investigative mind, so one could sort through worth and worthless, and to avoid letting the movement get emotional hooks into you. So Maharishi's shortcomings, and the failings of his lackeys and the general twisted machinations seems to have affected me much less than Michael or Edg as far a negative impressions. Negative and positive impressions were not where it was at for me. You might say I just stumbled through the whole thing and finally got back to where I began. So for me the final result was positive, but I was not sure of that until this last decade. As for now, I do not see the movement has anything to offer of value to me now. If enlightenment is real, it will make one independent of the means that got one there. Any enlightenment movement that fails to recognise this is doomed to become a dark cloud on the awareness of mankind. Transform and release is the process. But most
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi keeps his promises (was Why MMY's Bhagavad Gita will never be a classic.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : My read folder Ann, contains certain posters who tend to not just post one liners or irrelevant comments. Edg is in the read post. Another criterion for this folder is a person does not post excessively. As you now have your own folder it's easy to find your messages. Barry is in the read folder. Putting you in that folder however is like putting protons and anti-protons together. Now that is funny, Xeno! I like it when you show a sense of humor, not to mention you are spot on! In the past Edg has made some rather interesting posts but infrequently. His great dissatisfaction with things TM only came to my awareness with this recent series of posts. Now I have been dissatisfied with many things the TMO does, but I always had a certain detachment from it all, for one thing, I had certain goals, I started TM at a later age than many here did, I was not enamoured of Maharishi, only if what he said was useful for me at a particular time was he important to me, and I had some rudimentary knowledge of other traditions so the stuff in the TM movement was something I had to collate with what went before, it did not replace what went before (that of course is a TMO no no). Gurus were tools for me. What I got from the tools related to my goals and everything else was on the outskirts of it all. This is probably a good thing. It appears some here got very involved with the superficial trappings of all the other add-ons and upsells that the Movement went on to try and sell to its followers. For me, I started TM in 1970 at the age of 14, took SCI and decided it was speaking to me, attended MIU in 1975-1980 and learned the Siddhis at that time. Ran into Robin in 1982, returned to FF for a short time then proceeded to move around and follow his merry band for the next 3.5 years after which I was pretty confused about TM (we learned other Robin version TM advanced techniques which he had learned and passed on to us) so I pretty much wanted to let it all lay where I abandoned it when I realized that what I was involved in with him was evolving into something that was too crazy for me. In other words, I exited the TM Movement before all of the yagya, investment schemes, real estate projects and Vasta got up and really running. I think I must have been at MIU during part of the time Edg was there, but I tend not to remember people's names very well, and am kind of reclusive. I do not think I personally have met anyone on this forum except, briefly, Rick Archer, but who knows, I may have met more. Maharishi was useful for me when he was useful, but it was almost always by proxy. I only saw him, I think, three times in person. Noticing how the movement handled money, and that it always went one way, I was always careful to not give them any for projects. I spent more on a few residence courses in the mid-seventies than I ever spent on techniques, unless you count my time working in the movement as cash spent. But I was there for my own reasons, not for Maharishi. Ditto for me. Maharishi never held the sway or the thrill for me. I was meditating for very personal and self centered reasons. I was not out to save the world except in the small ways that I could contribute to it by being a deeper, better person. Devotion to a teacher was not my path; my was somewhat undefined, but it was based on a moderately clear experience before I learned any form of meditation, so that experience was my guiding star, the criterion for sorting what to pursue or not. It meant whatever enlightenment was about, it was a larger framework than gurus and organisations, that they were at best in the service or disservice of realisation, and could be sorted in or out on that basis of having an outline, so to speak, of the larger framework. I became a bit more interested in the guru when I felt that Robin was the closest thing to that that I was going to find that I could relate to. He was a Western guy who was smart, had read and experienced a lot. He was dynamic and fun and it was very, very exciting being around him. I loved the notion of good and evil and the drama of it all. Trying to find the ways in which one could counteract the negativity in myself and others was fascinating. It all fell apart eventually but it was a blast before it did. Sitting for long periods of time meditating, reading long passages in books and living aescetically just isn't my bag so I needed someone more like Lenz (did I just say that?) than Maharishi to keep me interested. If something did not work, I would tinker with it until it did or I dropped it. There are certain restrictions on what you can do when in the movement, but the main thing was not to turn over one's rational thinking and retain a curious, investigative mind, so one could sort through worth and worthless, and to avoid letting the movement
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi keeps his promises (was Why MMY's Bhagavad Gita will never be a classic.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] My read folder Ann, contains certain posters who tend to not just post one liners or irrelevant comments. Edg is in the read post. Another criterion for this folder is a person does not post excessively. As you now have your own folder it's easy to find your messages. Barry is in the read folder. Putting you in that folder however is like putting protons and anti-protons together. Good plan. :-) To mix them could be a mistake of...dare I say it... Biblical Proportions https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3ZOKDmorj0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3ZOKDmorj0; class=ygrps-yiv-1735639076link-enhancr-card-urlWrapper ygrps-yiv-1735639076link-enhancr-element Biblical Proportions https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3ZOKDmorj0 View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3ZOKDmorj0 Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi keeps his promises (was Why MMY's Bhagavad Gita will never be a classic.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : A spiritual system is like a septic system, crap in one end, and reasonably clear water out the other. A corrupt spiritual system is like a clogged gold-plated sewer pipe. Looks nice on the outside, but inside... You got almost everything backwards in this post. Without a spiritual system, crap goes into one end and crap comes out the other end. With a filtering system, crap still goes in one end, but almost clear water comes out the other. Crap looks bad on the outside but the water on the inside looks good. My read folder Ann, contains certain posters who tend to not just post one liners or irrelevant comments. Edg is in the read post. Another criterion for this folder is a person does not post excessively. As you now have your own folder it's easy to find your messages. Barry is in the read folder. Putting you in that folder however is like putting protons and anti-protons together. In the past Edg has made some rather interesting posts but infrequently. His great dissatisfaction with things TM only came to my awareness with this recent series of posts. Now I have been dissatisfied with many things the TMO does, but I always had a certain detachment from it all, for one thing, I had certain goals, I started TM at a later age than many here did, I was not enamoured of Maharishi, only if what he said was useful for me at a particular time was he important to me, and I had some rudimentary knowledge of other traditions so the stuff in the TM movement was something I had to collate with what went before, it did not replace what went before (that of course is a TMO no no). Gurus were tools for me. What I got from the tools related to my goals and everything else was on the outskirts of it all. I think I must have been at MIU during part of the time Edg was there, but I tend not to remember people's names very well, and am kind of reclusive. I do not think I personally have met anyone on this forum except, briefly, Rick Archer, but who knows, I may have met more. Maharishi was useful for me when he was useful, but it was almost always by proxy. I only saw him, I think, three times in person. Noticing how the movement handled money, and that it always went one way, I was always careful to not give them any for projects. I spent more on a few residence courses in the mid-seventies than I ever spent on techniques, unless you count my time working in the movement as cash spent. But I was there for my own reasons, not for Maharishi. Devotion to a teacher was not my path; my was somewhat undefined, but it was based on a moderately clear experience before I learned any form of meditation, so that experience was my guiding star, the criterion for sorting what to pursue or not. It meant whatever enlightenment was about, it was a larger framework than gurus and organisations, that they were at best in the service or disservice of realisation, and could be sorted in or out on that basis of having an outline, so to speak, of the larger framework. If something did not work, I would tinker with it until it did or I dropped it. There are certain restrictions on what you can do when in the movement, but the main thing was not to turn over one's rational thinking and retain a curious, investigative mind, so one could sort through worth and worthless, and to avoid letting the movement get emotional hooks into you. So Maharishi's shortcomings, and the failings of his lackeys and the general twisted machinations seems to have affected me much less than Michael or Edg as far a negative impressions. Negative and positive impressions were not where it was at for me. You might say I just stumbled through the whole thing and finally got back to where I began. So for me the final result was positive, but I was not sure of that until this last decade. As for now, I do not see the movement has anything to offer of value to me now. If enlightenment is real, it will make one independent of the means that got one there. Any enlightenment movement that fails to recognise this is doomed to become a dark cloud on the awareness of mankind. Transform and release is the process. But most movements only partially transform and do not release, they try to hold on to you. They cannot let you succeed because if you do, you will not need them for anything. So a corrupt spiritual movement wants you to believe certain things so you cannot reason, because you need to be able to reason to work your way through the veil of ignorance, for if you do that, you will see the beliefs are always false, if you go far enough. From: awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2014 2:12 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi keeps his promises (was Why MMY's Bhagavad Gita will never be a classic. ---In
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi keeps his promises (was Why MMY's Bhagavad Gita will never be a classic.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Dan, what Edg didn't catch is that we were all thrown into that same gigantic, cosmic washingmachine. We lived for a dollar a day, in Europe, in the USA and in Asia for tens of years and it was OK. What mattered was the idea that by doing so Maharishi would connect us to something bigger, something greater. For some that greater was more personal power and riches, perhaps to meet a lovely lady, for others it was longevity and good health, but for most of us it meant that by His Grace we could shake hands with Godhead. I'm communicating with many of the friends from that time, and I can assure you; whatever their desires were, with the blessings of their own good karma and with the help of the most competent Guide, their aspirations are fulfilled. A very interesting feature is when you meet an old meditator who has simply done TM twice a day, someone who perhaps met Maharishi in the 60's. With 0 expectations, yet they find their lives mysteriously fulfilled on levels they had not even imagined. I can't see thru Edg's eyes (or experience thru his consciousness). But speaking only for I, I got no complaints. Maybe lower expectations? I see three factors contributing to how one feels about their TM experience if, in the end, they feel it was negative. 1) the level of their expectations 2) their personality and character that is unique to them 3) the amount of time, energy and money they spent on all the things you can spend time, energy and money on with relation to the Movement. If you have the perfect storm of all three then you can end up with some individuals feeling pretty angry or contemptuous or downright murderous about it all. But, whether you are talking about a failed spiritual path or a failed investment strategy it still comes down to the choices and the character of the participant. This does not mean that there are not spiritual paths or investment opportunities that are scams and manipulative but it does mean that it takes at least two to tango. Ann, You are very helpful here. I have no idea about all this controversy. I guess it's my youthful innocence, or perhaps just naivety. I don't 'get it', yet I do hear all kinds of complaints emanating from Members here. I'll try to pay better attention, but without your insight, I keep missing the picture. Maybe we'll all learn something. Dan from nyc far away from this controversy ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Speak for yourself, Edg. You say, We were hustlers with shiny shoes, a $200 suit and a $200 car. We were fucking chumps. But what you actually mean is I was a hustler with shiny shoes, a $200 suit and a $200 car. I was a fucking chump. I have always had beautiful shoes (most recent pair of Red Wing desert boots custom made for Brooks Brothers, they phone when something special comes in). My suits are stylish and my car 'clean and neat'. I am also honest. Big difference between us Edgy. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Maharishi never gave a damn about us ever understanding a philosophy made necessary if the concept transcendental is the basis of it. Except for learning puja and checking notes, we never had general philosophy 101 classes, never had exams, never had sub-leaders who could lead a discussion about philosophy, never were encouraged to study the Gita or other scriptures, never had any must memorize commands, etc. We were forbidden to read any other spiritual books. Yeah, Maharishi taught us by answering the mike-questions, but that was always informal and there was no lesson plan for the students. In short we were put out into the public wilds completely unable to defend TM with concepts and logic.except such as we were able to individually pony up when the moment came that someone asked a deeper question. We were JOKES, and we didn't know it, but because most of our audiences were as un-scholarly as we were, so we could bullshit to the max. Any PhD in philosophy candidate could have us tied up in knots and sweating buckets. Oh, we were told we were Totakacharya types.the nice folks who were stupid but who would do great works none-the-less. We swallowed that shit like it was caviar. So don't go pushing Chapter 7 on me -- it's just window dressing in a billion dollar scam. I read the first six chapters and wore out three copies of the book underlining and adding comments and questions in the margins. After I got into Advaita, I read MMY's Gita one last time and I WAS APPALLED at the lack of consistency of how key concepts were used. Go ahead, try to find out
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi keeps his promises (was Why MMY's Bhagavad Gita will never be a classic.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Dan, what Edg didn't catch is that we were all thrown into that same gigantic, cosmic washingmachine. We lived for a dollar a day, in Europe, in the USA and in Asia for tens of years and it was OK. What mattered was the idea that by doing so Maharishi would connect us to something bigger, something greater. For some that greater was more personal power and riches, perhaps to meet a lovely lady, for others it was longevity and good health, but for most of us it meant that by His Grace we could shake hands with Godhead. I'm communicating with many of the friends from that time, and I can assure you; whatever their desires were, with the blessings of their own good karma and with the help of the most competent Guide, their aspirations are fulfilled. A very interesting feature is when you meet an old meditator who has simply done TM twice a day, someone who perhaps met Maharishi in the 60's. With 0 expectations, yet they find their lives mysteriously fulfilled on levels they had not even imagined. I can't see thru Edg's eyes (or experience thru his consciousness). But speaking only for I, I got no complaints. Maybe lower expectations? I see three factors contributing to how one feels about their TM experience if, in the end, they feel it was negative. 1) the level of their expectations 2) their personality and character that is unique to them 3) the amount of time, energy and money they spent on all the things you can spend time, energy and money on with relation to the Movement. If you have the perfect storm of all three then you can end up with some individuals feeling pretty angry or contemptuous or downright murderous about it all. But, whether you are talking about a failed spiritual path or a failed investment strategy it still comes down to the choices and the character of the participant. This does not mean that there are not spiritual paths or investment opportunities that are scams and manipulative but it does mean that it takes at least two to tango. Ann, You are very helpful here. I have no idea about all this controversy. I guess it's my youthful innocence, or perhaps just naivety. I don't 'get it', yet I do hear all kinds of complaints emanating from Members here. I'll try to pay better attention, but without your insight, I keep missing the picture. Maybe we'll all learn something. Dan from nyc far away from this controversy Thanks Dan, always eager to help...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi keeps his promises (was Why MMY's Bhagavad Gita will never be a classic.
My read folder Ann, contains certain posters who tend to not just post one liners or irrelevant comments. Edg is in the read post. Another criterion for this folder is a person does not post excessively. As you now have your own folder it's easy to find your messages. Barry is in the read folder. Putting you in that folder however is like putting protons and anti-protons together. In the past Edg has made some rather interesting posts but infrequently. His great dissatisfaction with things TM only came to my awareness with this recent series of posts. Now I have been dissatisfied with many things the TMO does, but I always had a certain detachment from it all, for one thing, I had certain goals, I started TM at a later age than many here did, I was not enamoured of Maharishi, only if what he said was useful for me at a particular time was he important to me, and I had some rudimentary knowledge of other traditions so the stuff in the TM movement was something I had to collate with what went before, it did not replace what went before (that of course is a TMO no no). Gurus were tools for me. What I got from the tools related to my goals and everything else was on the outskirts of it all. I think I must have been at MIU during part of the time Edg was there, but I tend not to remember people's names very well, and am kind of reclusive. I do not think I personally have met anyone on this forum except, briefly, Rick Archer, but who knows, I may have met more. Maharishi was useful for me when he was useful, but it was almost always by proxy. I only saw him, I think, three times in person. Noticing how the movement handled money, and that it always went one way, I was always careful to not give them any for projects. I spent more on a few residence courses in the mid-seventies than I ever spent on techniques, unless you count my time working in the movement as cash spent. But I was there for my own reasons, not for Maharishi. Devotion to a teacher was not my path; my was somewhat undefined, but it was based on a moderately clear experience before I learned any form of meditation, so that experience was my guiding star, the criterion for sorting what to pursue or not. It meant whatever enlightenment was about, it was a larger framework than gurus and organisations, that they were at best in the service or disservice of realisation, and could be sorted in or out on that basis of having an outline, so to speak, of the larger framework. If something did not work, I would tinker with it until it did or I dropped it. There are certain restrictions on what you can do when in the movement, but the main thing was not to turn over one's rational thinking and retain a curious, investigative mind, so one could sort through worth and worthless, and to avoid letting the movement get emotional hooks into you. So Maharishi's shortcomings, and the failings of his lackeys and the general twisted machinations seems to have affected me much less than Michael or Edg as far a negative impressions. Negative and positive impressions were not where it was at for me. You might say I just stumbled through the whole thing and finally got back to where I began. So for me the final result was positive, but I was not sure of that until this last decade. As for now, I do not see the movement has anything to offer of value to me now. If enlightenment is real, it will make one independent of the means that got one there. Any enlightenment movement that fails to recognise this is doomed to become a dark cloud on the awareness of mankind. Transform and release is the process. But most movements only partially transform and do not release, they try to hold on to you. They cannot let you succeed because if you do, you will not need them for anything. So a corrupt spiritual movement wants you to believe certain things so you cannot reason, because you need to be able to reason to work your way through the veil of ignorance, for if you do that, you will see the beliefs are always false, if you go far enough. A spiritual system is like a septic system, crap in one end, and reasonably clear water out the other. A corrupt spiritual system is like a clogged gold-plated sewer pipe. Looks nice on the outside, but inside... From: awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2014 2:12 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi keeps his promises (was Why MMY's Bhagavad Gita will never be a classic. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 9/12/2014 12:37 PM, Duveyoung wrote: WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU, NABBY, THAT YOU CAN SAY WHAT EDG GOT? My question is, at the risk of getting beat up virtually, what category would Xeno create and label for Edg's posts? I'm pretty sure they wouldn't qualify for the fluff file.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi keeps his promises (was Why MMY's Bhagavad Gita will never be a classic.
WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU, NABBY, THAT YOU CAN SAY WHAT EDG GOT? I'm sharing here, and you're psychoanalyzing me? Up yours with a fence post for all the past shit you've tossed at me for not getting it when you're the FFL joke of all jokes here with your outlandish beliefs. Yeah, you got to me and triggered me emotionally.now.consider that I NEVER FORGIVE.and NEVER FORGET... If we ever end up in an elevator -- I'll get you to toss the first punch and then, why then, I'll FUCK YOU UP.hopefully all on the elevator's video. I'm so old now, a stint in the clink would be a vacation with three meals and a place to meditate, ya see? I got nothing to lose if your nose gets broken in three places. Oh yeah, I'd win the fight -- BECAUSE I'M A TRIKKER AND IT TAKES 1000 PUNCHES ON THE HANDLEBARS TO GO ONE MILE'S DISTANCE. Ya think I can put my body weight behind my jab? You're all safe over the Internet, but in the real world, you're a fucking turd who needs to be put into a doggy bag. I DESPISE YOUR DISEASED MIND.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi keeps his promises (was Why MMY's Bhagavad Gita will never be a classic.
Nabs, Nice story. Do you have an unusual personal story of how you were able to exist and teach others with almost no money? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Dan, what Edg didn't catch is that we were all thrown into that same gigantic, cosmic washingmachine. We lived for a dollar a day, in Europe, in the USA and in Asia for tens of years and it was OK. What mattered was the idea that by doing so Maharishi would connect us to something bigger, something greater. For some that greater was more personal power and riches, perhaps to meet a lovely lady, for others it was longevity and good health, but for most of us it meant that by His Grace we could shake hands with Godhead. I'm communicating with many of the friends from that time, and I can assure you; whatever their desires were, with the blessings of their own good karma and with the help of the most competent Guide, their aspirations are fulfilled. A very interesting feature is when you meet an old meditator who has simply done TM twice a day, someone who perhaps met Maharishi in the 60's. With 0 expectations, yet they find their lives mysteriously fulfilled on levels they had not even imagined. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Speak for yourself, Edg. You say, We were hustlers with shiny shoes, a $200 suit and a $200 car. We were fucking chumps. But what you actually mean is I was a hustler with shiny shoes, a $200 suit and a $200 car. I was a fucking chump. I have always had beautiful shoes (most recent pair of Red Wing desert boots custom made for Brooks Brothers, they phone when something special comes in). My suits are stylish and my car 'clean and neat'. I am also honest. Big difference between us Edgy. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Maharishi never gave a damn about us ever understanding a philosophy made necessary if the concept transcendental is the basis of it. Except for learning puja and checking notes, we never had general philosophy 101 classes, never had exams, never had sub-leaders who could lead a discussion about philosophy, never were encouraged to study the Gita or other scriptures, never had any must memorize commands, etc. We were forbidden to read any other spiritual books. Yeah, Maharishi taught us by answering the mike-questions, but that was always informal and there was no lesson plan for the students. In short we were put out into the public wilds completely unable to defend TM with concepts and logic.except such as we were able to individually pony up when the moment came that someone asked a deeper question. We were JOKES, and we didn't know it, but because most of our audiences were as un-scholarly as we were, so we could bullshit to the max. Any PhD in philosophy candidate could have us tied up in knots and sweating buckets. Oh, we were told we were Totakacharya types.the nice folks who were stupid but who would do great works none-the-less. We swallowed that shit like it was caviar. So don't go pushing Chapter 7 on me -- it's just window dressing in a billion dollar scam. I read the first six chapters and wore out three copies of the book underlining and adding comments and questions in the margins. After I got into Advaita, I read MMY's Gita one last time and I WAS APPALLED at the lack of consistency of how key concepts were used. Go ahead, try to find out what Maharishi would say are the defining DIFFERENCES being, consciousness, isness, amness, transcendent, awareness, witness, soul, etc. I'll wait. No oneI repeat, NO ONE came off a TM teachers' training course being able to define these words without paradox or treating most of them as if they were synonyms of each other. We were hustlers with shiny shoes, a $200 suit and a $200 car. We were fucking chumps.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi keeps his promises (was Why MMY's Bhagavad Gita will never be a classic.
On 9/12/2014 12:37 PM, Duveyoung wrote: WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU, NABBY, THAT YOU CAN SAY WHAT EDG GOT? It sure didn't take long for this thread to turn to shit. It looks like he got mad again and snipped your message. Why do some of his messages indicate violent tendencies? So far, we've been compared to pedophile priests, warmongers, to be nuked and called a terrorist - now a challenge to a fistfight on a public elevator. No wonder he got kicked out of the TMO. Yikes! And, Rick Archer's big issue is, I'm posting too much. Is this screwed up or what? Go figure. I'm sharing here, and you're psychoanalyzing me? Up yours with a fence post for all the past shit you've tossed at me for not getting it when you're the FFL joke of all jokes here with your outlandish beliefs. Yeah, you got to me and triggered me emotionally.now.consider that I NEVER FORGIVE.and NEVER FORGET... If we ever end up in an elevator -- I'll get you to toss the first punch and then, why then, I'll FUCK YOU UP.hopefully all on the elevator's video. I'm so old now, a stint in the clink would be a vacation with three meals and a place to meditate, ya see? I got nothing to lose if your nose gets broken in three places. Oh yeah, I'd win the fight -- BECAUSE I'M A TRIKKER AND IT TAKES 1000 PUNCHES ON THE HANDLEBARS TO GO ONE MILE'S DISTANCE. Ya think I can put my body weight behind my jab? You're all safe over the Internet, but in the real world, you're a fucking turd who needs to be put into a doggy bag. I DESPISE YOUR DISEASED MIND.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi keeps his promises (was Why MMY's Bhagavad Gita will never be a classic.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Dan, what Edg didn't catch is that we were all thrown into that same gigantic, cosmic washingmachine. We lived for a dollar a day, in Europe, in the USA and in Asia for tens of years and it was OK. What mattered was the idea that by doing so Maharishi would connect us to something bigger, something greater. For some that greater was more personal power and riches, perhaps to meet a lovely lady, for others it was longevity and good health, but for most of us it meant that by His Grace we could shake hands with Godhead. I'm communicating with many of the friends from that time, and I can assure you; whatever their desires were, with the blessings of their own good karma and with the help of the most competent Guide, their aspirations are fulfilled. A very interesting feature is when you meet an old meditator who has simply done TM twice a day, someone who perhaps met Maharishi in the 60's. With 0 expectations, yet they find their lives mysteriously fulfilled on levels they had not even imagined. I can't see thru Edg's eyes (or experience thru his consciousness). But speaking only for I, I got no complaints. Maybe lower expectations? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Speak for yourself, Edg. You say, We were hustlers with shiny shoes, a $200 suit and a $200 car. We were fucking chumps. But what you actually mean is I was a hustler with shiny shoes, a $200 suit and a $200 car. I was a fucking chump. I have always had beautiful shoes (most recent pair of Red Wing desert boots custom made for Brooks Brothers, they phone when something special comes in). My suits are stylish and my car 'clean and neat'. I am also honest. Big difference between us Edgy. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Maharishi never gave a damn about us ever understanding a philosophy made necessary if the concept transcendental is the basis of it. Except for learning puja and checking notes, we never had general philosophy 101 classes, never had exams, never had sub-leaders who could lead a discussion about philosophy, never were encouraged to study the Gita or other scriptures, never had any must memorize commands, etc. We were forbidden to read any other spiritual books. Yeah, Maharishi taught us by answering the mike-questions, but that was always informal and there was no lesson plan for the students. In short we were put out into the public wilds completely unable to defend TM with concepts and logic.except such as we were able to individually pony up when the moment came that someone asked a deeper question. We were JOKES, and we didn't know it, but because most of our audiences were as un-scholarly as we were, so we could bullshit to the max. Any PhD in philosophy candidate could have us tied up in knots and sweating buckets. Oh, we were told we were Totakacharya types.the nice folks who were stupid but who would do great works none-the-less. We swallowed that shit like it was caviar. So don't go pushing Chapter 7 on me -- it's just window dressing in a billion dollar scam. I read the first six chapters and wore out three copies of the book underlining and adding comments and questions in the margins. After I got into Advaita, I read MMY's Gita one last time and I WAS APPALLED at the lack of consistency of how key concepts were used. Go ahead, try to find out what Maharishi would say are the defining DIFFERENCES being, consciousness, isness, amness, transcendent, awareness, witness, soul, etc. I'll wait. No oneI repeat, NO ONE came off a TM teachers' training course being able to define these words without paradox or treating most of them as if they were synonyms of each other. We were hustlers with shiny shoes, a $200 suit and a $200 car. We were fucking chumps.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi keeps his promises (was Why MMY's Bhagavad Gita will never be a classic.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Dan, what Edg didn't catch is that we were all thrown into that same gigantic, cosmic washingmachine. We lived for a dollar a day, in Europe, in the USA and in Asia for tens of years and it was OK. What mattered was the idea that by doing so Maharishi would connect us to something bigger, something greater. For some that greater was more personal power and riches, perhaps to meet a lovely lady, for others it was longevity and good health, but for most of us it meant that by His Grace we could shake hands with Godhead. I'm communicating with many of the friends from that time, and I can assure you; whatever their desires were, with the blessings of their own good karma and with the help of the most competent Guide, their aspirations are fulfilled. A very interesting feature is when you meet an old meditator who has simply done TM twice a day, someone who perhaps met Maharishi in the 60's. With 0 expectations, yet they find their lives mysteriously fulfilled on levels they had not even imagined. I can't see thru Edg's eyes (or experience thru his consciousness). But speaking only for I, I got no complaints. Maybe lower expectations? I see three factors contributing to how one feels about their TM experience if, in the end, they feel it was negative. 1) the level of their expectations 2) their personality and character that is unique to them 3) the amount of time, energy and money they spent on all the things you can spend time, energy and money on with relation to the Movement. If you have the perfect storm of all three then you can end up with some individuals feeling pretty angry or contemptuous or downright murderous about it all. But, whether you are talking about a failed spiritual path or a failed investment strategy it still comes down to the choices and the character of the participant. This does not mean that there are not spiritual paths or investment opportunities that are scams and manipulative but it does mean that it takes at least two to tango. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Speak for yourself, Edg. You say, We were hustlers with shiny shoes, a $200 suit and a $200 car. We were fucking chumps. But what you actually mean is I was a hustler with shiny shoes, a $200 suit and a $200 car. I was a fucking chump. I have always had beautiful shoes (most recent pair of Red Wing desert boots custom made for Brooks Brothers, they phone when something special comes in). My suits are stylish and my car 'clean and neat'. I am also honest. Big difference between us Edgy. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Maharishi never gave a damn about us ever understanding a philosophy made necessary if the concept transcendental is the basis of it. Except for learning puja and checking notes, we never had general philosophy 101 classes, never had exams, never had sub-leaders who could lead a discussion about philosophy, never were encouraged to study the Gita or other scriptures, never had any must memorize commands, etc. We were forbidden to read any other spiritual books. Yeah, Maharishi taught us by answering the mike-questions, but that was always informal and there was no lesson plan for the students. In short we were put out into the public wilds completely unable to defend TM with concepts and logic.except such as we were able to individually pony up when the moment came that someone asked a deeper question. We were JOKES, and we didn't know it, but because most of our audiences were as un-scholarly as we were, so we could bullshit to the max. Any PhD in philosophy candidate could have us tied up in knots and sweating buckets. Oh, we were told we were Totakacharya types.the nice folks who were stupid but who would do great works none-the-less. We swallowed that shit like it was caviar. So don't go pushing Chapter 7 on me -- it's just window dressing in a billion dollar scam. I read the first six chapters and wore out three copies of the book underlining and adding comments and questions in the margins. After I got into Advaita, I read MMY's Gita one last time and I WAS APPALLED at the lack of consistency of how key concepts were used. Go ahead, try to find out what Maharishi would say are the defining DIFFERENCES being, consciousness, isness, amness, transcendent, awareness, witness, soul, etc. I'll wait. No oneI repeat, NO ONE came off a TM teachers' training course being able to define these words without paradox or treating most of them as if they were synonyms of each other. We were hustlers with shiny shoes, a $200 suit and a $200 car. We were fucking chumps.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi keeps his promises (was Why MMY's Bhagavad Gita will never be a classic.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 9/12/2014 12:37 PM, Duveyoung wrote: WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU, NABBY, THAT YOU CAN SAY WHAT EDG GOT? It sure didn't take long for this thread to turn to shit. It looks like he got mad again and snipped your message. Why do some of his messages indicate violent tendencies? So far, we've been compared to pedophile priests, warmongers, to be nuked and called a terrorist - now a challenge to a fistfight on a public elevator. No wonder he got kicked out of the TMO. Yikes! And, Rick Archer's big issue is, I'm posting too much. Is this screwed up or what? Go figure. I'm sharing here, and you're psychoanalyzing me? Up yours with a fence post for all the past shit you've tossed at me for not getting it when you're the FFL joke of all jokes here with your outlandish beliefs. Yeah, you got to me and triggered me emotionally.now.consider that I NEVER FORGIVE.and NEVER FORGET... If we ever end up in an elevator -- I'll get you to toss the first punch and then, why then, I'll FUCK YOU UP.hopefully all on the elevator's video. I'm so old now, a stint in the clink would be a vacation with three meals and a place to meditate, ya see? I got nothing to lose if your nose gets broken in three places. Oh yeah, I'd win the fight -- BECAUSE I'M A TRIKKER AND IT TAKES 1000 PUNCHES ON THE HANDLEBARS TO GO ONE MILE'S DISTANCE. Ya think I can put my body weight behind my jab? You're all safe over the Internet, but in the real world, you're a fucking turd who needs to be put into a doggy bag. I DESPISE YOUR DISEASED MIND. My question is, at the risk of getting beat up virtually, what category would Xeno create and label for Edg's posts? I'm pretty sure they wouldn't qualify for the fluff file.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi keeps his promises (was Why MMY's Bhagavad Gita will never be a classic.
I suspect we might find the answer at the end of about six paragraphs. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 9/12/2014 12:37 PM, Duveyoung wrote: WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU, NABBY, THAT YOU CAN SAY WHAT EDG GOT? It sure didn't take long for this thread to turn to shit. It looks like he got mad again and snipped your message. Why do some of his messages indicate violent tendencies? So far, we've been compared to pedophile priests, warmongers, to be nuked and called a terrorist - now a challenge to a fistfight on a public elevator. No wonder he got kicked out of the TMO. Yikes! And, Rick Archer's big issue is, I'm posting too much. Is this screwed up or what? Go figure. I'm sharing here, and you're psychoanalyzing me? Up yours with a fence post for all the past shit you've tossed at me for not getting it when you're the FFL joke of all jokes here with your outlandish beliefs. Yeah, you got to me and triggered me emotionally.now.consider that I NEVER FORGIVE.and NEVER FORGET... If we ever end up in an elevator -- I'll get you to toss the first punch and then, why then, I'll FUCK YOU UP.hopefully all on the elevator's video. I'm so old now, a stint in the clink would be a vacation with three meals and a place to meditate, ya see? I got nothing to lose if your nose gets broken in three places. Oh yeah, I'd win the fight -- BECAUSE I'M A TRIKKER AND IT TAKES 1000 PUNCHES ON THE HANDLEBARS TO GO ONE MILE'S DISTANCE. Ya think I can put my body weight behind my jab? You're all safe over the Internet, but in the real world, you're a fucking turd who needs to be put into a doggy bag. I DESPISE YOUR DISEASED MIND. My question is, at the risk of getting beat up virtually, what category would Xeno create and label for Edg's posts? I'm pretty sure they wouldn't qualify for the fluff file.
