Vaj wrote:
Actually MMY's system bares very little similarity
to Patanjali's system. It's sounds like you've been
fooled by believing what you were told, without
really looking into things experientially.
Kashmir Shaivism resembles Hindu tantra, and both have
as their key symbol the
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In an hours time you will feel your mind has started
settling softly into a subtle state of thought and
mood. Gradually you will experience your mind moving
quickly into the domain of meditation filled
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In an hours time you will feel your mind has started
settling softly into a subtle state of thought and
mood. Gradually you will
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willytex@ wrote:
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In an hours time you will feel your mind has started
settling
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In an hours time you will feel your mind has started
settling
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On Oct 31, 2008, at 5:42 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
No wonder you're so confused, neither of these
are teachers in that tradition.
Vaj, don't be so elitist, you do not know all
there is to know about the Indian traditions.
Your incessant trashing of the Marshy, for no
apparent reason,
On Oct 31, 2008, at 5:23 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
Vaj wrote:
Five Shaiva saints called Arrivars had compiled
the pieces of the pre-Vedic teachings in 28
volumes.
The Chandogya Upanishad is one of the primary (mukhya) Upanishads.
Together with the Jaiminiya Upanishad Brahmana and
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On Oct 31, 2008, at 5:23 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
Vaj wrote:
Five Shaiva saints called Arrivars had compiled
the pieces of the pre-Vedic teachings in 28
volumes.
The Chandogya Upanishad is one of the
you do not know all there is to know about the
Indian traditions.
Vaj wrote:
That's correct, I don't know everything about
Indian traditions, but neither does anyone else.
And neither do I, but this is what I know:
Swami Lachsmanjoo was a great friend of the
Marshy's, as the photo
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you do not know all there is to know about the
Indian traditions.
Vaj wrote:
That's correct, I don't know everything about
Indian traditions, but neither does anyone else.
And neither do I, but
On Nov 1, 2008, at 8:34 AM, cardemaister wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Oct 31, 2008, at 5:23 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
Vaj wrote:
Five Shaiva saints called Arrivars had compiled
the pieces of the pre-Vedic teachings in 28
volumes.
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---The only thing that blanks out is the little ego which takes on
the
form of the big Ego or God almighty, the one and only (no I'm not
talking about Obama :-).
...right, but Jerry was specifically talking about the
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---The only thing that blanks out is the little ego which takes on
the
form of the big Ego or God almighty, the one and only (no I'm not
talking
---The only thing that blanks out is the little ego
which takes on
the
form of the big Ego or God almighty
The above is actually half right because it continues to assume there is an
experience or a thing called me that becomes something different than what
it was before. The ego does
Billy wrote:
Nor is there any recommendation that Religion
is an essential adjunct (which Patanjali
apparently did) to TM for rounded progress.
Billy - Patanjali didn't have much to say about
religions, that's because there were only a few
religious practices in Bharatvarsh at the time.
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Billy wrote:
Nor is there any recommendation that Religion
is an essential adjunct (which Patanjali
apparently did) to TM for rounded progress.
Billy - Patanjali didn't have much to say about
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---The only thing that blanks out is the little ego
which takes on
the
form of the big Ego or God almighty
The above is actually half right because it continues to assume
there is an experience or a thing
yifuxero wrote:
Let's see what Swami Lakshmanjoo has to
say, Kashmir Shaivism, the Secret Supreme...
In fact, the Marshy is closer to the philosophy
of Kashmere Shivaism than he is to Shankara's
Adwaita Vedanta. A careful reading of Marshy's
comments seems to agree with Swami Lakshmanjoo
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---The only thing that blanks out is the little ego
which takes on
the
form of the big Ego or God almighty
It's refreshing to know that you are neither the King nor the Village
idiot! :-)
In the Gita the
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---The only thing that blanks out is the little ego
which takes on
the
form of the big Ego or God almighty
The above is actually half right because it continues to assume
there is an experience or a
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
---The only thing that blanks out is the little ego
which takes on
the
form of the big Ego or God almighty
The above is actually half right because it continues to assume
there is an experience or a
Alex Stanley wrote:
...but what about all that esoteric
ooga-booga, like nadi granthis in the
sushumna blocking kundalini in the third
chakra?
The notion of 'chakras' came long after the
age of Patanjali; that's why he doesn't talk
much about the 'nadis' - that's a hatha yoga
notion
On Oct 31, 2008, at 9:42 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
Marshy doesn't have much to say about the
doctrine of 'illusion' propounded by Shankara.
It's obvious that Marshy was more akin to the
Lakshsman. That's because the yoga praxis
between Kashmere Shivaism and TM practice is
almost
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The above is actually half right because it continues to assume there is an
experience or
a thing called me that becomes something different than what it was before.
The ego
does blank out, but it is not then replaced
On Oct 31, 2008, at 9:10 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote:Billy wrote: Nor is there any recommendation that Religion is an essential adjunct (which Patanjali apparently did) to TM for rounded progress. Billy - Patanjali didn't have much to say about religions, that's because there were only a
Thanks Peter for expressing Truth clearly simply
so that even I can understand.
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---The only thing that blanks out is the little ego
which takes on
the
form of the big Ego or God almighty
The above is actually half
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I grok what you're saying, Peter, but what about all that esoteric
ooga-booga, like nadi granthis in the sushumna blocking kundalini in
the third chakra? What's the connection between that stuff and
Realization?
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Alex Stanley wrote:
...but what about all that esoteric
ooga-booga, like nadi granthis in the
sushumna blocking kundalini in the third
chakra?
The notion of 'chakras' came long after the
age of
Vaj wrote:
Yoga predates the Vedic religion...
There's no evidence that 'Yoga' predates the
Vedic religion. If there was, 'Yoga' would
have been mentioned in the Rig Veda in 1500
B.C. What some people think of a 'Yoga' is
realy shamanism, but that's not the same as
'Ashtanga Yoga'
Marshy doesn't have much to say about the
doctrine of 'illusion' propounded by Shankara.
It's obvious that Marshy was more akin to the
Lakshsman. That's because the yoga praxis
between Kashmere Shivaism and TM practice is
almost identical.
Vaj wrote:
That's funny, the Trika I'm
On Oct 31, 2008, at 1:15 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
Marshy doesn't have much to say about the
doctrine of 'illusion' propounded by Shankara.
It's obvious that Marshy was more akin to the
Lakshsman. That's because the yoga praxis
between Kashmere Shivaism and TM practice is
On Oct 31, 2008, at 12:56 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
Vaj wrote:
Yoga predates the Vedic religion...
There's no evidence that 'Yoga' predates the
Vedic religion. If there was, 'Yoga' would
have been mentioned in the Rig Veda in 1500
B.C. What some people think of a 'Yoga' is
realy
Vaj wrote:
Five Shaiva saints called Arrivars had compiled
the pieces of the pre-Vedic teachings in 28
volumes.
The Tamil Alvars were supposedly twelve in number,
who wrote poetry between the 6th and 9th centuries
A.D. from the medieval period, that is, the Gupta
Age.
In addition they
19. Intone a sound audibly, then less and less
audible as feeling deepens into this silent
harmony.
Vaj wrote:
The only problem is that in none of the three
sections of the Shiva Sutra of Vasugupta does
this verse appear.
Centering - An excerpt from the Shiva Sutra,
translated by
So, it would seem that Marshy more closely
followed the scheme set out by Patanjali, by
NOT emphasizing sectarian religious practices
for ordinary TMers.
Billy wrote:
I would have to differ, the tenets of Religion
are clearly found in his first two limbs, namely
Yama and NiYama.
---I agree. The technique is a half-baked loaf, better than nothing;
but even the philosophy has internal contradictions due to MMY's
ready acceptance of Advaita Vedanta. If one only defines E. only
through Being; then (as Jerry Jarvis personally told me), one
can look forward to (after
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---I agree. The technique is a half-baked loaf, better than nothing;
but even the philosophy has internal contradictions due to MMY's
ready acceptance of Advaita Vedanta. If one only defines E. only
through Being; then
---The only thing that blanks out is the little ego which takes on
the
form of the big Ego or God almighty, the one and only (no I'm not
talking about Obama :-).
...right, but Jerry was specifically talking about the existence of
relative bodies. From his pov, everything relative simply
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