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on 9/12/06 11:12 PM, bob_brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com 
 , Rick Archer groups@ wrote:
 
 snip
 
 Contrast this with Amma who refuses to fly first class and whose 
 apartment
 in her Kerala ashram is about the size of my kitchen.
 
 
 **
 
 It's in the nature of low lifes to complain about the good treatment 
 that devotees offer to great men. Your complaint (one out of your many 
 complaints against MMY) mirrors the complaint that so-called disciples 
 uttered against the woman who anointed Jesus with an expensive oil:
 
 http://www.bible-history.com/jesus/jesusMat_26613_Mk_1439_Jn_1218.htm

Yes, but at the same gathering, as I recall, he washed the disciples feet to set an example of service and humility, which is why Amma lives as she does. Can you imagine MMY doing something like that?


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[FairfieldLife] Re: Scholarships Officially Announced (as long as Someone Else pays them)

2006-09-12 Thread jim_flanegin

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 on 9/12/06 9:51 PM, gerbal88 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   Mahesh sustains magical thinking like a soprano sustaining a 
high
   note in a Mozart aria. But magical thinking is not reality.
  
 And part of the way he sustains it is to convince those around him 
that the
 ³experts² of the world are fools, while his enlightened vision sees 
things
 as they should and eventually will be. To be in tune with his 
thinking is to
 be among the chosen few pioneers of the Age of Enlightenment.

He is killing us off, one, by one, by one. Can you hack it? HA-HA-HA!





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Scholarships Officially Announced

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote:
  
  snip
  
  Contrast this with Amma who refuses to fly first class and whose 
  apartment
   in her Kerala ashram is about the size of my kitchen.
  
 
 **
 
 It's in the nature of low lifes to complain about the good 
 treatment that devotees offer to great men. Your complaint (one
 out of your many complaints against MMY) mirrors the complaint
 that so-called disciples uttered against the woman who anointed 
 Jesus with an expensive oil:

Yes, as I recall, that was also the argument used
for giving Rajneesh dozens of Rolexes and limousines.

 
 http://www.bible-
history.com/jesus/jesusMat_26613_Mk_1439_Jn_1218.htm







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Scholarships Officially Announced

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 on 9/12/06 11:12 PM, bob_brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
  mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com
   , Rick Archer groups@ wrote:
   
   snip
   
   Contrast this with Amma who refuses to fly first class and 
whose
   apartment
   in her Kerala ashram is about the size of my kitchen.
   
   
   **
   
   It's in the nature of low lifes to complain about the good 
treatment
   that devotees offer to great men. Your complaint (one out of 
your many
   complaints against MMY) mirrors the complaint that so-called 
disciples
   uttered against the woman who anointed Jesus with an expensive 
oil:
   
   http://www.bible-
history.com/jesus/jesusMat_26613_Mk_1439_Jn_1218.htm
  
 Yes, but at the same gathering, as I recall, he washed the
 disciples¹ feet to set an example of service and humility,

Different gathering (John 13:1-11).  Also, if
you'll recall, when Peter is reluctant to let Jesus
wash his feet, Jesus gets rather snippy about it,
saying Peter can't be his disciple unless he submits
to having his feet washed.

There's quite a bit more to the story than simple
humility and service on Jesus' part.

 which is why Amma lives as she
 does. Can you imagine MMY doing something like that?

Is it a requirement for spiritual teachers to
live humbly, or is that an old cliche that we
accept without thinking, like the idea that they
can't charge for spiritual teaching?

Seems to me individual teachers have different
personalities; they don't all come out of a
cookie-cutter.  Some may be comfortable living
in cramped, plain quarters, others may not be.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Scholarships Officially Announced

Well, this post (not quoted because it's complex HTML)
from George pretty much clears up any confusion about
*who* is going to be paying the 500 bucks a month (if
it's ever paid):

   In thinking what he himself could do, 
   Maharishi said he will ask the wealthy 
   of America to support Fairfield Yogic 
   Flyers with scholarships of $500 per month.

I don't know about you, but I'm truly touched. 

The guy who runs an organization that has assets valued 
in the billions of dollars is so worried about the state 
of the world that he sits down and asks himself, What 
can I do?
 
And the answer he comes up with is, Why, I can ask other 
people to pay so that these 2000 yogic flyers can do what 
I want them to do.

It doesn't ever seem to occur to him that a much simpler
answer to What can I do? is PAY FOR IT MYSELF.

Let's do the math together. He wants 2000 people flying
in Fairfield. Let's assume that at this point his credi-
bility is so low that in order to get them to do this 
he'd have to pay *all* 2000 of them to do it. Let's 
further assume that he can find 2000 people stupid enough
to do this for 500 bucks a month. 

2000 * 500. That would come to one million dollars a month,
twelve million bucks a year. 

For a guy whose personal assets have been estimated 
at a *minimum* of 2 billion dollars, that means that the 
answer to What can I do? is I could pay for this 
program myself for a year for less than one-tenth
of the INTEREST I earn on 2 billion dollars.

And yet the only answer *he* can come up with to the
question of What can I do? is Demand that other 
people pay for my ideas. Again.

So I ask you -- is THIS the creative intelligence
that decades of meditation creates in one of its
practitioners?







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Scholarships Officially Announced

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Well, this post (not quoted because it's complex HTML)
 from George pretty much clears up any confusion about
 *who* is going to be paying the 500 bucks a month (if
 it's ever paid):
 
In thinking what he himself could do, 
Maharishi said he will ask the wealthy 
of America to support Fairfield Yogic 
Flyers with scholarships of $500 per month.
 
 I don't know about you, but I'm truly touched. 
 
 The guy who runs an organization that has assets valued 
 in the billions of dollars is so worried about the state 
 of the world that he sits down and asks himself, What 
 can I do?
  
 And the answer he comes up with is, Why, I can ask other 
 people to pay so that these 2000 yogic flyers can do what 
 I want them to do.
 
 It doesn't ever seem to occur to him that a much simpler
 answer to What can I do? is PAY FOR IT MYSELF.
 
 Let's do the math together. He wants 2000 people flying
 in Fairfield. Let's assume that at this point his credi-
 bility is so low that in order to get them to do this 
 he'd have to pay *all* 2000 of them to do it. Let's 
 further assume that he can find 2000 people stupid enough
 to do this for 500 bucks a month. 
 
 2000 * 500. That would come to one million dollars a month,
 twelve million bucks a year. 
 
 For a guy whose personal assets have been estimated 
 at a *minimum* of 2 billion dollars, that means that the 
 answer to What can I do? is I could pay for this 
 program myself for a year for less than one-tenth
 of the INTEREST I earn on 2 billion dollars.
 

Heh. What personal assets and who has done the estimation?

If you're talking about TMO assets, that includes MUM (probably the largest 
single asset) 
which made $100K profit last year according to what was posted here.

 And yet the only answer *he* can come up with to the
 question of What can I do? is Demand that other 
 people pay for my ideas. Again.
 
 So I ask you -- is THIS the creative intelligence
 that decades of meditation creates in one of its
 practitioners?


I ask you, why do you care?









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[FairfieldLife] Re: Scholarships Officially Announced

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
 
  And yet the only answer *he* can come up with to the
  question of What can I do? is Demand that other 
  people pay for my ideas. Again.
  
  So I ask you -- is THIS the creative intelligence
  that decades of meditation creates in one of its
  practitioners?
 
 I ask you, why do you care?

I dunno. Could it be wondering how someone 
-- anyone -- could be so stupid as not to 
realize that he could pay for this program 
(that he claims is so important to the world's
future) himself from mere *interest* on existing 
funds, while never depleting the principal.

Because it's either that or wondering how 
that same someone could be so greedy as to
realize this and *not* do it, and in fact 
expect other people to pay for everything, 
yet again. 

Those strike me as the only two options.
Do you see more?

If not, which of the two are you, as a loyal 
follower of Maharishi, more comfortable with?
Is he terminally stupid or terminally greedy?

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Scholarships Officially Announced (as long as Someone Else pays them)

  I ask you, why do you care?
 
 I dunno. Could it be wondering how someone 
 -- anyone -- could be so stupid as not to 
 realize that he could pay for this program 
 (that he claims is so important to the world's
 future) himself from mere *interest* on existing 
 funds, while never depleting the principal.
 
 Because it's either that or wondering how 
 that same someone could be so greedy as to
 realize this and *not* do it, and in fact 
 expect other people to pay for everything, 
 yet again. 
 
 Those strike me as the only two options.
 Do you see more?

There are probably lots of possibilities,
some of them positive, some of them not
quite so positive.

But the one possibility that never seems
to come up, and hasn't come up now for 40
years or more, is for Maharishi to actually
put *his* assets where his mouth is.

*He*, after all, is the person saying that
the world is in such shit shape that if 2000
people don't do the Hemorrhoid Hop twice a 
day it's in danger of being destroyed. *He* 
is the one appealing to fear, and to the 
admittedly noble desire in his followers to 
see their world survive into another day.

But at the same time, *he* is not willing to
pay for helping it survive another day. And 
he never has been. 

Doesn't that *tell* you something?

I mean, the guy is as much as predicting that
the world is fucked if these 2000 people don't
do the Gluteus Maximus Dance, and soon. But he
is completely willing to allow the world *to*
be fucked if the funds don't come through from
Someone Else. He's got the money to pay for all
this himself -- *more* than enough to pay for
all this himself. But given the trends we've seen 
so far in TM history, he would clearly allow the 
world to blow itself up rather than dig into
his *own* pockets to keep it from being blown up.

I'm ranting a bit here because the other day I
saw an old movie called The Shoes of the Fisher-
man that reminded me of Another Possibility. The
movie was a big Hollywood epic based on a best
seller, and had many flaws. But at the same time,
it had a few good points, too, one of them being
a great performance by Anthony Quinn as a simple
man who suddenly finds himself named as Pope, and 
during trying times.

The times are *so* trying that there is about to
be a nuclear war between the USSR and China, 
because the Chinese have been hard hit by famine
and are starving, and neither Russia nor any other
country will help them out by sending sufficient
aid. For reasons of simple survival, they're about 
to invade their neighbor Russia, just to find food.

So what does the simple man who has just become 
Pope do in this fictional movie? He does what Christ 
would have done, and what NO ONE around him in the 
Vatican wants him to do.

He vows to dedicate the total assets of the worldwide
Roman Catholic Church to battling this famine, and
thus to preventing this war.

It's fiction, of course. No Pope in history has
ever been that altruistic. To be honest, no Pope 
in history has ever really given a damn how many 
people starved or how many of them died in wars,
and no Pope ever will. They're politicians and
economists, not men of God.

Similarly, as far as I can tell, Maharishi has
never given a damn about the people of the world.
He talks about them ONLY as a way to get people to
give him more money. If he really believed the 
words he speaks, and really cared about the world
he pretends to want to save, he'd walk his own talk
and put some of his *own* funds to work right about
now. But he doesn't. All he does is use the world's 
suffering as a way to get people to give him more 
money.

It's a pretty simple rule. When someone tells you
that the world will end soon unless X amount of
dollars are contributed to his cause, does the 
person saying this have X amount of dollars? 

If it turns out that he does (or in this case, has 
easily a thousand times that many dollars) but hasn't 
contributed them to the cause that he's trying to 
convince you to contribute to, you're being had.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Scholarships Officially Announced

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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 For a guy whose personal assets have been estimated 
 at a *minimum* of 2 billion dollars

Not personal assets, the TMO's assets.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Scholarships Officially Announced

2006-09-12 Thread shempmcgurk

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
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  For a guy whose personal assets have been estimated 
  at a *minimum* of 2 billion dollars
 
 Not personal assets, the TMO's assets.



Technically correct.

But at the risk of repeating myself, I would like to see an analysis 
done on MMY's and the TMO's finances in the same way that Forbes 
magazine does an analysis of Fidel Castro's.  For the past several 
years, Forbes has put Castro on their annual list of politicians 
with the highest net worth's...if memory serves me correctly, they 
usually peg him as being worth about $100 million, plus.

Of course, in a communist country, this is not supposed to be so and 
most if not all of these assets are certainly not in Castro's name.

Forbes is making this analysis and assigning this net worth to 
Castro based upon his control of and benefits that flow from these 
assets to him personally.

I wonder how MMY would fare if this same analysis and this same 
standard of Forbes were applied to him.

I would be particularly interested to see how much net worth would 
be assigned to him solely on the basis of MMY giving control of the 
Indian Movement to his blood relatives.

When I first heard that he had placed his own relatives in positions 
of control like this, I couldn't believe it.  Anyone with a 
universal vision for their movement, I thought, would never, ever do 
such a thing.  Just the PERCEPTION of impropriety in this day and 
age is enough to fizzle your credibility in the eyes of the rational 
world...even if the Shrivastavas and the Varmas were as pure as the 
driven snow, perception is everything in instances such as this.

How could anyone do such a thing?  What was MMY thinking?





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Scholarships Officially Announced

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 When I first heard that he had placed his own relatives in positions 
 of control like this, I couldn't believe it.  Anyone with a 
 universal vision for their movement, I thought, would never, ever do 
 such a thing.  Just the PERCEPTION of impropriety in this day and 
 age is enough to fizzle your credibility in the eyes of the rational 
 world...even if the Shrivastavas and the Varmas were as pure as the 
 driven snow, perception is everything in instances such as this.
 
 How could anyone do such a thing?  What was MMY thinking?

He wasn't. He doesn't have to, because his
followers don't.







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scholarships Officially Announced (as long as Someone Else pays them)

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on 9/12/06 8:04 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 If it turns out that he does (or in this case, has 
 easily a thousand times that many dollars) but hasn't 
 contributed them to the cause that he's trying to 
 convince you to contribute to, you're being had.

MMY certainly has money at his fingertips but I doubt he has 2 billion, for two reasons:
Most of it has been squandered on hare-brained projects.
His nephews control it and he couldnt get it from them if he tried.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Scholarships Officially Announced

2006-09-12 Thread shempmcgurk

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@
 wrote:
 
  When I first heard that he had placed his own relatives in 
positions 
  of control like this, I couldn't believe it.  Anyone with a 
  universal vision for their movement, I thought, would never, 
ever do 
  such a thing.  Just the PERCEPTION of impropriety in this day 
and 
  age is enough to fizzle your credibility in the eyes of the 
rational 
  world...even if the Shrivastavas and the Varmas were as pure as 
the 
  driven snow, perception is everything in instances such as this.
  
  How could anyone do such a thing?  What was MMY thinking?
 
 He wasn't. He doesn't have to, because his
 followers don't.



That's why I despise those around him.

They should be remembered as the enablers around Breznev and Stalin 
were remembered after those dictators fell.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Scholarships Officially Announced (as long as Someone Else pays them)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 on 9/12/06 8:04 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  If it turns out that he does (or in this case, has
  easily a thousand times that many dollars) but hasn't
  contributed them to the cause that he's trying to
  convince you to contribute to, you're being had.
  
 MMY certainly has money at his fingertips but I doubt he 
 has 2 billion, for two reasons:
 1. Most of it has been squandered on hare-brained projects.
 2. His nephews control it and he couldn¹t get it from them 
 if he tried.

I tend to agree. 

Still, if the movement had a mere 200 million in 
assets and invested them/mortgaged them to provide
a meager 6% interest per year, they could still pay
for these 2000 butt-bouncers using only the interest,
without touching a penny of the principal.

It's irrelevant in any case because I think we all
know there's not a ghost of a chance that Maharishi
will ever dig into his own pockets to pay for any 
of his plans. 

For that matter, I suspect we all know that after
the first month or two the promised 500 bucks will
never be paid anyway, no matter where it comes from.
The donors will probably be expected to keep paying
it to the TMO, but the TMO will never forward it to 
the people on the courses.







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scholarships Officially Announced (as long as Someone Else pays them)

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on 9/12/06 11:09 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 It's irrelevant in any case because I think we all
 know there's not a ghost of a chance that Maharishi
 will ever dig into his own pockets to pay for any 
 of his plans. 

But there have been instances where he has. Like the World Peace Project in 1979 where we went to Central America, S. Africa, Iran, etc. The movement took out loans to finance that.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Scholarships Officially Announced (as long as Someone Else pays them)

2006-09-12 Thread jyouells2000


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote:
 
  on 9/12/06 8:04 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   If it turns out that he does (or in this case, has
   easily a thousand times that many dollars) but hasn't
   contributed them to the cause that he's trying to
   convince you to contribute to, you're being had.
 
  MMY certainly has money at his fingertips but I doubt he
  has 2 billion, for two reasons:
  1. Most of it has been squandered on hare-brained projects.
  2. His nephews control it and he couldn¹t get it from them
  if he tried.

 I tend to agree.

 Still, if the movement had a mere 200 million in
 assets and invested them/mortgaged them to provide
 a meager 6% interest per year, they could still pay
 for these 2000 butt-bouncers using only the interest,
 without touching a penny of the principal.

 It's irrelevant in any case because I think we all
 know there's not a ghost of a chance that Maharishi
 will ever dig into his own pockets to pay for any
 of his plans.

 For that matter, I suspect we all know that after
 the first month or two the promised 500 bucks will
 never be paid anyway, no matter where it comes from.
 The donors will probably be expected to keep paying
 it to the TMO, but the TMO will never forward it to
 the people on the courses.


I agree. Look at what he does, not what he says.
(That's what he tells others to do  )

JohnY






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Scholarships Officially Announced

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
  snip
   For a guy whose personal assets have been estimated 
   at a *minimum* of 2 billion dollars
  
  Not personal assets, the TMO's assets.
 
 
 
 Technically correct.
 
 But at the risk of repeating myself, I would like to see an analysis 
 done on MMY's and the TMO's finances in the same way that Forbes 
 magazine does an analysis of Fidel Castro's.  For the past several 
 years, Forbes has put Castro on their annual list of politicians 
 with the highest net worth's...if memory serves me correctly, they 
 usually peg him as being worth about $100 million, plus.
 
 Of course, in a communist country, this is not supposed to be so and 
 most if not all of these assets are certainly not in Castro's name.
 
 Forbes is making this analysis and assigning this net worth to 
 Castro based upon his control of and benefits that flow from these 
 assets to him personally.
 
 I wonder how MMY would fare if this same analysis and this same 
 standard of Forbes were applied to him.
 
 I would be particularly interested to see how much net worth would 
 be assigned to him solely on the basis of MMY giving control of the 
 Indian Movement to his blood relatives.
 
 When I first heard that he had placed his own relatives in positions 
 of control like this, I couldn't believe it.  Anyone with a 
 universal vision for their movement, I thought, would never, ever do 
 such a thing.  Just the PERCEPTION of impropriety in this day and 
 age is enough to fizzle your credibility in the eyes of the rational 
 world...even if the Shrivastavas and the Varmas were as pure as the 
 driven snow, perception is everything in instances such as this.
 
 How could anyone do such a thing?  What was MMY thinking?


That's how Indians work. Everything goes back to relatives.

Somene on this forum mentioned that they knw Gurudev's family and THEY thought 
MMY 
had killed him. Leaving side this claim. who can even name a member of the 
current 
Pope's family? Family ties are nowhere near as important in Western culture as 
they are in 
INdia. We don't have castes and inherited nobility any more. It's built into 
their religino.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Scholarships Officially Announced (as long as Someone Else pays them)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 on 9/12/06 8:04 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   If it turns out that he does (or in this case, has
   easily a thousand times that many dollars) but hasn't
   contributed them to the cause that he's trying to
   convince you to contribute to, you're being had.
  
 MMY certainly has money at his fingertips but I doubt he has 2 billion, for
 two reasons:
 1. Most of it has been squandered on hare-brained projects.
 2. His nephews control it and he couldn¹t get it from them if he tried.


How do his nephews control the money? Being on the board of direcors of an 
organization 
doesn't give you complete control.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Scholarships Officially Announced (as long as Someone Else pays them)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 on 9/12/06 11:09 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   It's irrelevant in any case because I think we all
   know there's not a ghost of a chance that Maharishi
   will ever dig into his own pockets to pay for any
   of his plans. 
  
 But there have been instances where he has. Like the World Peace Project in
 1979 where we went to Central America, S. Africa, Iran, etc. The movement
 took out loans to finance that.


Everyone conveniently forgets that huge amounts of money were spent in India 10 
years ago 
to build the World Peace HQ or whatever it was called. Due to some stupid moves 
on MMY's 
part, they were fined lots of money and the entire complex was razed. It was in 
all the INdian 
newspapers and I think that John KNapp posted about it on a.m.t.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Scholarships Officially Announced

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ 
wrote:
  snip
   For a guy whose personal assets have been estimated 
   at a *minimum* of 2 billion dollars
  
  Not personal assets, the TMO's assets.
 
 Technically correct.

Yup, it was a technical correction.
 
 But at the risk of repeating myself, I would like to see an 
analysis 
 done on MMY's and the TMO's finances in the same way that Forbes 
 magazine does an analysis of Fidel Castro's.  For the past several 
 years, Forbes has put Castro on their annual list of politicians 
 with the highest net worth's...if memory serves me correctly, they 
 usually peg him as being worth about $100 million, plus.
 
 Of course, in a communist country, this is not supposed to be so 
and 
 most if not all of these assets are certainly not in Castro's name.
 
 Forbes is making this analysis and assigning this net worth to 
 Castro based upon his control of and benefits that flow from these 
 assets to him personally.

MMY certainly *controls* the TMO's funds, but he
doesn't use them to buy racehorses and yachts
and Rolex watches and vacation homes and other
rich man's toys.  Nor does he appear to be saving
up for his retirement.



 
 I wonder how MMY would fare if this same analysis and this same 
 standard of Forbes were applied to him.
 
 I would be particularly interested to see how much net worth would 
 be assigned to him solely on the basis of MMY giving control of the 
 Indian Movement to his blood relatives.
 
 When I first heard that he had placed his own relatives in 
positions 
 of control like this, I couldn't believe it.  Anyone with a 
 universal vision for their movement, I thought, would never, ever 
do 
 such a thing.  Just the PERCEPTION of impropriety in this day and 
 age is enough to fizzle your credibility in the eyes of the 
rational 
 world...even if the Shrivastavas and the Varmas were as pure as the 
 driven snow, perception is everything in instances such as this.
 
 How could anyone do such a thing?  What was MMY thinking?






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Scholarships Officially Announced

2006-09-12 Thread shempmcgurk

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ 
  wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ 
 wrote:
   snip
For a guy whose personal assets have been estimated 
at a *minimum* of 2 billion dollars
   
   Not personal assets, the TMO's assets.
  
  Technically correct.
 
 Yup, it was a technical correction.
  
  But at the risk of repeating myself, I would like to see an 
 analysis 
  done on MMY's and the TMO's finances in the same way that Forbes 
  magazine does an analysis of Fidel Castro's.  For the past 
several 
  years, Forbes has put Castro on their annual list of politicians 
  with the highest net worth's...if memory serves me correctly, 
they 
  usually peg him as being worth about $100 million, plus.
  
  Of course, in a communist country, this is not supposed to be so 
 and 
  most if not all of these assets are certainly not in Castro's 
name.
  
  Forbes is making this analysis and assigning this net worth to 
  Castro based upon his control of and benefits that flow from 
these 
  assets to him personally.
 
 MMY certainly *controls* the TMO's funds, but he
 doesn't use them to buy racehorses and yachts
 and Rolex watches and vacation homes and other
 rich man's toys.  Nor does he appear to be saving
 up for his retirement.
 


No, but he is assigning control of (and if postings on this foruma 
are to be believed) benefits to his relatives.

That would be an economic benefit for personal use.

Also, when funds are used for whims -- non-essential expenditures -
- these would go under the category of personal use as well.

What would some examples of this be?  I dunno...flowers?





 
 
  
  I wonder how MMY would fare if this same analysis and this same 
  standard of Forbes were applied to him.
  
  I would be particularly interested to see how much net worth 
would 
  be assigned to him solely on the basis of MMY giving control of 
the 
  Indian Movement to his blood relatives.
  
  When I first heard that he had placed his own relatives in 
 positions 
  of control like this, I couldn't believe it.  Anyone with a 
  universal vision for their movement, I thought, would never, 
ever 
 do 
  such a thing.  Just the PERCEPTION of impropriety in this day 
and 
  age is enough to fizzle your credibility in the eyes of the 
 rational 
  world...even if the Shrivastavas and the Varmas were as pure as 
the 
  driven snow, perception is everything in instances such as this.
  
  How could anyone do such a thing?  What was MMY thinking?








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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scholarships Officially Announced

Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scholarships Officially Announced

on 9/12/06 2:09 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

No, but he is assigning control of (and if postings on this foruma
are to be believed) benefits to his relatives.

That would be an economic benefit for personal use.

Also, when funds are used for whims -- non-essential expenditures -
- these would go under the category of personal use as well.

What would some examples of this be? I dunno...flowers?

Millions have been spent on MMYs comfort and convenience over the years. Barry mentioned renting an entire floor in a posh Beverly Hills hotel so he wouldnt have to encounter commoners, and how he freaked when he saw a maid on the floor. No expense was spared in building his suites in movement facilities around the world, some of which he never stayed in. His house in Vlodrop cost a mint. At one point the movement owned a Boeing 707 so he wouldnt have to take commercial flights. The interior was completely renovated.

Contrast this with Amma who refuses to fly first class and whose apartment in her Kerala ashram is about the size of my kitchen.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Scholarships Officially Announced (as long as Someone Else pays them)

2006-09-12 Thread gerbal88

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote:
  
   on 9/12/06 8:04 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
   
If it turns out that he does (or in this case, has
easily a thousand times that many dollars) but hasn't
contributed them to the cause that he's trying to
convince you to contribute to, you're being had.
  
   MMY certainly has money at his fingertips but I doubt he
   has 2 billion, for two reasons:
   1. Most of it has been squandered on hare-brained projects.
   2. His nephews control it and he couldn¹t get it from them
   if he tried.
 
  I tend to agree.
 
  Still, if the movement had a mere 200 million in
  assets and invested them/mortgaged them to provide
  a meager 6% interest per year, they could still pay
  for these 2000 butt-bouncers using only the interest,
  without touching a penny of the principal.
 
  It's irrelevant in any case because I think we all
  know there's not a ghost of a chance that Maharishi
  will ever dig into his own pockets to pay for any
  of his plans.
 
  For that matter, I suspect we all know that after
  the first month or two the promised 500 bucks will
  never be paid anyway, no matter where it comes from.
  The donors will probably be expected to keep paying
  it to the TMO, but the TMO will never forward it to
  the people on the courses.
 
 
 I agree. Look at what he does, not what he says.
 (That's what he tells others to do  )
 
 JohnY


While I agree with the sediments posted here, one thing seems to have 
been left out: out perfect an excust Mahesh has when this all goes 
belly up. See, I pay these people and still they fail me.

Mahesh can only see his own narcissistic goals and can only blame 
others because they fail. He will never part with $ and will never 
have the insight to notice that he has been wrong all along. Refer, 
of course, to John Knapp's piece in the TM, The Odd Side in the files.

Mahesh has always set his standards/aspirations high and consistently 
blamed others because they failed. No one, has ever had the courage 
to tell him how idiotic some of his ideas are. But then, I was in the 
thick of it when we were planning microwave towers to broadcast SCI 
to the whole world and I was so out of it at the time that I never 
questioned either the feasibility of how/who would finance it.

Mahesh sustains magical thinking like a soprano sustaining a high 
note in a Mozart aria. But magical thinking is not reality.

Oh, well. Those with eyes and ears, etc.





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