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On 5/5/2014 10:07 AM, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote:
Where is Masked Zebra when we need him?
I guess he doesn't realize we need him. >
You mean, he's not reading this forum? Go figure.
I guess he has a life.
This emai
On 5/5/2014 10:12 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote:
Where is Masked Zebra when we need him?
I guess he doesn't realize we need him.
Speak for yourself. For me, "never having to endure his psychoses
again" is possibly too soon. :-)
>
Where is Dr. Pete when we need him?
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On 5/5/2014 10:07 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote:
Where is Masked Zebra when we need him?
I guess he doesn't realize we need him.
>
You mean, he's not reading this forum? Go figure.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
Where is Masked Zebra when we need him?
>
I guess he doesn't realize we need him.
>
>
Speak for yourself. For me, "never having to endure his psychoses again" is
possibly too soon. :-)
On 5/5/2014 9:40 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:
Click "Show message history," dumbass. That's what it's for.
>
Look, you troll, MJ and I are reading these messages in email because
/*Yahoo Groups Neo sucks*/. What is the problem that you can't seem to
format anymore - you used to be a profe
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
On 5/5/2014 8:18 AM, jedi_spock@... mailto:jedi_spock@... wrote:
Jason, don't try to teach your grandmother to suck eggs.
Listen Grandma, I always felt all these years, that Barry is
the only person who is rude, cantankerous, to pull peopl
Click "Show message history," dumbass. That's what it's for.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
On 5/5/2014 7:19 AM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote:
Jason, don't try to teach your grandmother to suck eggs. >
Would it be too much of a problem to indicate what it is you'
On 5/5/2014 8:18 AM, jedi_sp...@yahoo.com wrote:
Jason, don't try to teach your grandmother to suck eggs.
Listen Grandma, I always felt all these years, that Barry is
the only person who is rude, cantankerous, to pull people
into argument loops.
You seem to be guilty of the same.
Everytime I
On 5/5/2014 8:40 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:
Jason, I'm sorry you feel like a piglet. But I was obviously not
trying to draw you into an argument but rather suggesting you butt out.
>
What side of the bed to you get up on?
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On 5/5/2014 7:19 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:
Jason, don't try to teach your grandmother to suck eggs.
>
Would it be too much of a problem to indicate what it is you're
responding to? Thanks.
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Jason, I'm sorry you feel like a piglet. But I was obviously not trying to draw
you into an argument but rather suggesting you butt out. You didn't add
anything helpful; most of what you said was irrelevant to what Curtis and I
were discussing; some of it repeated what I've been saying as if you
> --- wrote :
Jason, don't try to teach your grandmother to suck eggs.
Listen Grandma, I always felt all these years, that Barry is
the only person who is rude, cantankerous, to pull people
into argument loops.
You seem to be guilty of the same.
Everytime I try to reach out to you and
Jason, don't try to teach your grandmother to suck eggs.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
> > > --- wrote :
> > > I still think you're painting with too broad a brush when you use the
> > > term "society." Some elements of society take the position you desc
> > > --- wrote :
> > > I still think you're painting with too broad a brush when you use the
> > > term "society." Some elements of society take the position you describe,
> > > but others do not.
> > --- wrote :
> > C: Seems like a reasonable objection.
> > > J: And the negati
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
I still think you're painting with too broad a brush when you use the term
"society." Some elements of society take the position you describe, but others
do not.
C: Seems like a reasonable objec
On 5/4/2014 10:25 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote:
They actually don't *get* that they look down on atheists as much as
they do, and that this fact pervades their speech/writing.
>
According to what I've read, Sam Harris is opposed to the use of the
word atheist, because it is not very defined. The word
Just a friendly comment from the peanut gallery.
You may think you don't have a hair trigger in this regard, but you might be
mistaken.
You also might want to examine which issues push your buttons and see if your
reactions to the posting about such issues are in proportion to what is
a
Comments below...
Bingo. One of the things that I don't think a number of theists or
quasi-theists or theists-in-denial-that-they're-theists
Oh, you forgot to list the nontheists, like moi.
don't "get" on this forum is that what they call atheists barging into an
otherwise pleasant c
From: "curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, May 4, 2014 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis - Sam Harris
C: One of the problems I learned from our Feser discussions is that atheists
don't care about obscure ontolo
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
I still think you're painting with too broad a brush when you use the term
"society." Some elements of society take the position you describe, but others
do not.
C: Seems like a reasonable objection.
J: And the negative reaction to criticism
On 5/3/2014 8:32 AM, curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Unless Harris has started to refer to himself in the 3rd person (he
> has not) this is a misleading attribution. Nothing here is from his
> book, you are quoting people who are misrepresenting his ideas.
>
> You are the reference guy Richar
On 5/3/2014 5:20 AM, Michael Jackson wrote:
> His assertion that some Islamists are extremists is true, but that
> obviously does not cover all Muslims. The religion of Islam has been
> hijacked by a minority of very violent and more importantly greedy
> power hungry people. Harris's belief that
I still think you're painting with too broad a brush when you use the term
"society." Some elements of society take the position you describe, but others
do not.
And the negative reaction to criticism from atheists has a great deal to do
with its hostility quotient. Simple disagreement doesn'
On 5/3/2014 12:18 AM, lengli...@cox.net wrote:
> There's no need to advocate our going nuclear against any small
> country, ever.
>
Even if they had nuclear weapons and their religion specified they use
them to destroy Western civilization? How is that "smart diplomacy"
working out?
---
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That was excellent, thanks.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
> > -- wrote :
> > The fact that Harris says this "—but it may be the only course of
action available to us, given what Islamists believe" is more revealing than
his assertion that he is "against" it.
> > His ass
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
Curtis, you way overstate the case. In this country, at least, there's oodles
of criticism of biblical ideas, including ideas at the heart of Christian
belief. Ever heard of the Jesus Seminar? And a currently popular book, "How
Jesus Became God,"
Curtis, you way overstate the case. In this country, at least, there's oodles
of criticism of biblical ideas, including ideas at the heart of Christian
belief. Ever heard of the Jesus Seminar? And a currently popular book, "How
Jesus Became God," maintains that the idea of Jesus as God developed
> > -- wrote :
> > The fact that Harris says this "—but it may be the only course of action
> > available to us, given what Islamists believe" is more revealing than his
> > assertion that he is "against" it.
> > His assertion that some Islamists are extremists is true, but that
> > obv
g, not the ultimate cynicism about the leader's
motivations.
On Sat, 5/3/14, curtisdeltablues@... mailto:curtisdeltablues@...
mailto:curtisdeltablues@...> wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis - Sam Harris
To: Fair
Unless Harris has started to refer to himself in the 3rd person (he has not)
this is a misleading attribution. Nothing here is from his book, you are
quoting people who are misrepresenting his ideas.
You are the reference guy Richard, come on man keep it tight.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups
--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
Hast thou never heard of Daisy Cutters and other super-conventional weapons?
There's no need to advocate our going nuclear against any small country, ever.
C: So substitute daisy cutters for nuclear bombs and his actual point remains
the same. H
Hitchens, Dawkins, Harris and Krauss - the Four Horsemen of the Materialist
Apocalypse!
On Sat, 5/3/14, curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com
wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis - Sam Harris
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
ts and suicide bombers do so in the main because it furthers their
agenda to gain or maintain wealth and power.
On Sat, 5/3/14, curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis - Sam Harris
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups
I responded to the wrong post last time:
I'd like to know his take on Fred Travis' article published in the New York
Academy of Sciences that discusses the preliminary research on Cosmic
Consciousness:
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10./nyas.12316/full
http://onlinelibrary.wil
I'd like to know his take on Fred Travis' article published in the New York
Academy of Sciences that discusses the preliminary research on Cosmic
Consciousness:
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10./nyas.12316/full
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10./nyas.12316/full
Spec
Hast thou never heard of Daisy Cutters and other super-conventional weapons?
There's no need to advocate our going nuclear against any small country, ever.
L
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
On 5/2/2014 9:22 PM, curtisdeltablues@... mailto:curtisdeltablues@... wrote:
> Ha
Daisy Cutter bombs and similar conventional ordinance can strike just as hard
as tactical nukes without worrying about fallout, physical or political or
moral or whatever.
He's either an ignorant ass, or trying to make controversial statements to
sell his book (see the "ass" in first part of
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
I guess I'm not that idealistic. I think there are people out there in the
world who read the news reports about Oklahoma's recent "botched execution" and
felt GOOD that the prisoner suffered.
I'll cop to this. It bothers me, not a drop,
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
Comments below...
From a sociological POV this question has vast implications, and always has,
in how we approach society's sense of justice in our legal system. It wasn't
long ago that we hanged an elephant for killing a man. Today we ha
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
From: "curtisdeltablues@..."
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
Exactly. That is what makes discussions or arguments about *whether* we have
free will or not so BORING to me. They're
On 5/2/2014 9:22 PM, curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Harris advocates a first strike against Iran?
>
A first nuclear strike against Iran may be the only option considering
the goal of Sunni Islam is the annihilation of the Western world. The
enemy is the closed society that preaches violence
On 5/2/2014 2:13 PM, TurquoiseBee wrote:
Such a change from the last few months of FFL without you present.
>
Oh, stop it! I've been talking about this on FFL and AMT since 1999, but
you had your head stuck up your ass with a bias and ego bigger than the
state of Texas. Go figure.
---
This
--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
Harris advocates a first strike against Iran?
That's not controversialy, that's insane.
When you interview him, be sure to change the name of batgap forum for that
episode.
C: Your very funny comment on changing the name of Batgap, I am as
On 5/2/2014 2:01 PM, curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com wrote:
I am a long way off from being coherent on this topic but am enjoying
the ride so against your usual preference, thanks for philosophizing
with me a bit, it has provoked my thought and that is a gift.
>
Free will would imply a between one c
Harris advocates a first strike against Iran?
That's not controversialy, that's insane.
When you interview him, be sure to change the name of batgap forum for that
episode.
L
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
On 5/2/2014 10:02 AM, Rick Archer wrote:
Last night I re
Comments below as well:
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
Comments below...
From a sociological POV this question has vast implications, and always has,
in how we approach society's sense of justice in our legal system. It wasn't
long ago that we hanged an elephant for kill
Christianity institutionalizes slavery too, simply by spelling out the
responsibilities that masters and slaves have.
Using the Bible to justify owning slaves is considered bad form these days,
however.
Islam, being about 800 years younger, hasn't gotten to the same social stage,
in my
On 5/2/2014 1:28 PM, TurquoiseBee wrote:
IT DOESN'T MATTER whether free will exists or not;
>
You are either free or you are bound. If free, there would be no need to
practice yoga. If bound, by what means could we free ourselves?
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Radical anything (including TM) is a dire threat to the world, depending on
what you mean by "radical."
and certainly, depending on one's definintion, it is trivially obvious that
free will is an illusion.
and I agree that [at least in many cases], science CAN guide our moral
reasoning -a
From: "curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com"
Lately I am thinking of myself differently, as sort of a conglomerate of past
experiences and tendencies that expresses themselves in my present choices. I
am not sure there is anybody at the wheel other than the ghost who I imagine as
my personal identity. W
On 5/2/2014 10:02 AM, Rick Archer wrote:
Last night I read the first chapter of the End of Faith and LOVED it.
Didn’t disagree with anything I’ve read so far. I’m taking notes and
will post them for discussion later on.
>
You may find the idea of a nuclear first-strike against Iran to be not
q
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
Nice to meet you Krysto.
Islam sanctions institutionalised slavery. A muslim man can
keep any number of non-muslim women as slaves. He can also
keep any number of concubines, apart from his 4 wives.
Jihadi supremacists are serious about this
Comments below...
From a sociological POV this question has vast implications, and always has,
in how we approach society's sense of justice in our legal system. It wasn't
long ago that we hanged an elephant for killing a man. Today we have people on
death row who were not mentally able t
Nice to meet you Krysto.
Islam sanctions institutionalised slavery. A muslim man can
keep any number of non-muslim women as slaves. He can also
keep any number of concubines, apart from his 4 wives.
Jihadi supremacists are serious about this stupid,
unscientific, barbaric religious ideolog
having only read some things about Harris, I am nonetheless really looking
forward to hearing a BATGAP interview with him - I do hope you do it Rick.
On Fri, 5/2/14, kry...@natel.net wrote:
Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis - Sam Harris
To
From: "curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com"
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
Exactly. That is what makes discussions or arguments about
*whether* we have free will or not so BORING to me. They're completely
unproductive -- a point that can never be proven one way or another.
It's as sil
m
Sent: Friday, May 2, 2014 5:37 PM
Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis - Sam Harris
--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
Last night I read the first chapter of the End of Faith and LOVED it. Didn’t
disagree with anything I’ve read so far. I’m taking notes and will post them
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
Snip
Exactly. That is what makes discussions or arguments about *whether* we have
free will or not so BORING to me. They're completely unproductive -- a point
that can never be proven one way or another. It's as silly as trying to debate
the exi
On 5/2/2014 8:17 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:
Nobody ever disputed this point with Barry, including those who
believe in determinism. He could never quite understand how someone
could believe in determinism and yet continue to act as if they had
free will without serious cognitive dissonan
On
Behalf Of curtisdeltablues@...
Sent: Thursday, May 1, 2014 3:03 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis - Sam Harris
I think it would be a fantastic discussion and I would love to help you prep
for an interview. He is an especially good choice becaus
Talk of Sam Harris brings me out of the FFL shadows.
Harris is, in my view, one of the clearest and boldest thinkers in the world
today. One may disagree with any number of his positions (that radical Islam
presents a dire threat to the world, that free will is an illusion, that
science can
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Sent: Thursday, May 1, 2014 3:03 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis - Sam Harris
I think it would be a fantastic discussion and I would love to help you prep
for an interview. He is an especially good choice because he is an experienced
Buddhist
From: "curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com"
--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
On 5/1/2014 3:02 PM, curtisdeltablues@... wrote:
> > I am reading his book on free will right now. Very thought provoking.
>>
> > Someone needs to tell Barry that Harris says the idea of free will is
> inc
From: "curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, May 1, 2014 10:02 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis - Sam Harris
I think it would be a fantastic discussion and I would love to help you prep
for an interview. He is an especially g
Nobody ever disputed this point with Barry, including those who believe in
determinism. He could never quite understand how someone could believe in
determinism and yet continue to act as if they had free will without serious
cognitive dissonance. He was unable to grasp that believers in determi
--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
On 5/1/2014 3:02 PM, curtisdeltablues@... mailto:curtisdeltablues@... wrote:
> I am reading his book on free will right now. Very thought provoking.
>
Someone needs to tell Barry that Harris says the idea of free will is
incoherent. Humans are
On 5/1/2014 3:02 PM, curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com wrote:
> I am reading his book on free will right now. Very thought provoking.
>
Someone needs to tell Barry that Harris says the idea of free will is
incoherent. Humans are not free and no sense can be given to the concept
that they might be. G
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Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis - Sam Harris
I think you have to start with his first, The End of Faith. There are also some
great debates with him on Youtube that will help you orient to his approach. He
has had so many contentions discussions that you will be a
: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis - Sam Harris
I think it would be a fantastic discussion and I would love to help you prep
for an interview. He is an especially good choice because he is an experienced
Buddhist meditator and is interested in connecting his own field, neuro science
with the
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com
Sent: Thursday, May 1, 2014 3:03 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis - Sam Harris
I think it would be a fantastic discussion and I
I think it would be a fantastic discussion and I would love to help you prep
for an interview. He is an especially good choice because he is an experienced
Buddhist meditator and is interested in connecting his own field, neuro science
with the experiences we have in meditation. But in a more ph
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